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| _Hicham_ | that it open source | Apr 25 17:21 |
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| seller_liar | magentar: are you sure? C is very old | Apr 25 17:21 |
| magentar | they have a python api | Apr 25 17:21 |
| _Hicham_ | sellar_liar : C is very old? | Apr 25 17:21 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | I use rhythmbox and suits me quite well. There might be value in seeing what set of features (if any) that Banshee provides that Rhythmbox does not. | Apr 25 17:22 |
| seller_liar | no hicham , porting banshee to python is a good strategical thing to weaken mono troll | Apr 25 17:22 |
| seller_liar | and relicense in gplv3 is good too | Apr 25 17:22 |
| magentar | seller_liar, what makes you say rhythmbox is abandoned. version 0.12 was released one month ago | Apr 25 17:23 |
| _Hicham_ | sellar_liar : u have to wait for Google to speed up python | Apr 25 17:23 |
| seller_liar | ushimitsudoki1: But distro devs worries about maintenance and bugs,not features | Apr 25 17:23 |
| _Hicham_ | great sellar_liar | Apr 25 17:23 |
| _Hicham_ | u have some weird concepts | Apr 25 17:23 |
| ushimitsudoki1 | seller_liar: no they don't. ubuntu (for better or for worse, usually worse) cares about features. That's the distro I'm talking about right now. | Apr 25 17:24 |
| seller_liar | _Hicham_: why? | Apr 25 17:24 |
| _Hicham_ | who doesn't care about features? | Apr 25 17:24 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no bugs without features | Apr 25 17:24 |
| _Hicham_ | no smoke without fire | Apr 25 17:24 |
| seller_liar | _Hicham_: sorry a mistake.What I was trying to say is | Apr 25 17:24 |
| seller_liar | _Hicham_: Distrto devs not worry about ONLY features ,but bugs and maintenance too | Apr 25 17:25 |
| seller_liar | Make a choose: | Apr 25 17:27 |
| seller_liar | Make a choice | Apr 25 17:27 |
| seller_liar | Port gnome-do or banshee of hell? | Apr 25 17:27 |
| seller_liar | I will learn python and starts porting | Apr 25 17:27 |
| _Hicham_ | sellar_liar : now u r saying sthg good | Apr 25 17:29 |
| _Hicham_ | that is a positive action | Apr 25 17:29 |
| seller_liar | _Hicham_: what? | Apr 25 17:29 |
| _Hicham_ | go ahead | Apr 25 17:30 |
| seller_liar | seller_liar: the purpose of porting is destroy mono trolls and spread gplv3 | Apr 25 17:30 |
| seller_liar | the next thing ,I'm writing is the possible future dangers | Apr 25 17:35 |
| seller_liar | for example : | Apr 25 17:35 |
| seller_liar | monotorrent and gnome-do | Apr 25 17:35 |
| trmanco | a made a post about mono apps | Apr 25 17:36 |
| seller_liar | please give me the link | Apr 25 17:37 |
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| trmanco | seller_liar, http://open-mania.com/2008/0... | Apr 25 17:38 |
| trmanco | but I gave no alternatives | Apr 25 17:38 |
| seller_liar | trmanco: you can create a list of criticisms about every opensource app | Apr 25 17:40 |
| seller_liar | what we in bn was trying to do | Apr 25 17:40 |
| seller_liar | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?tit... | Apr 25 17:40 |
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| trmanco | seller_liar, what do you mean? | Apr 25 17:42 |
| trmanco | there is another replacement for tomboy | Apr 25 17:43 |
| seller_liar | trmanco: Fazer uma lista de pontos negativos sobre uma app | Apr 25 17:43 |
| trmanco | ah ok | Apr 25 17:43 |
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| trmanco | oh wait | Apr 25 17:44 |
| trmanco | it isn't a replacement, it's a reinforcement for mono -> http://live.gnome.org/Tasque | Apr 25 17:45 |
| trmanco | tomboy recommends this, I've always thought there was something fishy, tomboy recommended a non mono app, but it isn't, it's c#'ed | Apr 25 17:45 |
| seller_liar | trmanco: Q. Why are you using C#/Mono A. It ROCKS! Essentially, rapid development with C# is easy. It's relatively easy for newcomers to come in (provided we've coded well enough). | Apr 25 17:46 |
| seller_liar | Tasque is another mono troll | Apr 25 17:47 |
| seller_liar | seller_liar: There are a lot of ideas to improve mono page in bn wiki | Apr 25 17:48 |
| seller_liar | Like mono vs dotgnu | Apr 25 17:49 |
| trmanco | hehe | Apr 25 17:49 |
| trmanco | gotgnu is dead | Apr 25 17:49 |
| trmanco | oops | Apr 25 17:49 |
| seller_liar | trmanco: nono, Dotgnu is well developed in cvs | Apr 25 17:49 |
| trmanco | it is? | Apr 25 17:49 |
| trmanco | hmm... might be confusing it with something else | Apr 25 17:50 |
| seller_liar | seller_liar: yes, dotgnu is very slow to make a release ,but there development in cvs | Apr 25 17:50 |
| seller_liar | trmanco: : yes, dotgnu is very slow to make a release ,but there development in cvs | Apr 25 17:51 |
| trmanco | yeah I guess you're right -> http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/vi... | Apr 25 17:52 |
| seller_liar | trmanco: But mono vs dotgnu is not a technical comparation, What I was thinking is a ethical comparation | Apr 25 17:52 |
| seller_liar | for example ,dotgnu does not have a patent deal and other confidencial deal with ms | Apr 25 17:53 |
| seller_liar | dotgnu is agains ms api domination | Apr 25 17:53 |
| seller_liar | dotgnu does not focus in interoperability , dotgnu does noit even use asp.net | Apr 25 17:54 |
| seller_liar | dot gnu uses a webserver called dgee | Apr 25 17:54 |
| seller_liar | seller_liar: all documentation of dotgnu is free to anyone | Apr 25 17:54 |
| seller_liar | all documentation of dotgnu is free to anyone | Apr 25 17:54 |
| seller_liar | mono is not | Apr 25 17:54 |
| seller_liar | novell have confidencial documentation envolving moonlight and sometimes mono | Apr 25 17:55 |
| seller_liar | seller_liar: dotgnu uses good lgpl2.1 licence with addition classpath permission in other files | Apr 25 17:55 |
| seller_liar | dotgnu uses good lgpl2.1 licence with addition classpath permission in other files | Apr 25 17:55 |
| seller_liar | moonlight uses a old lgpl2 licence without "any later version" clause and have a additonal restriction about embbeded tech | Apr 25 17:56 |
| seller_liar | do you see differences? | Apr 25 17:57 |
| seller_liar | dot gnu tries to be a free software project | Apr 25 17:57 |
| seller_liar | mono tries to be "open-source" project | Apr 25 17:57 |
| trmanco | I know the dangers of mono | Apr 25 17:57 |
| trmanco | :-p | Apr 25 17:57 |
| seller_liar | but we can do a comparation using dotgnu and mono | Apr 25 17:58 |
| seller_liar | and show what's wrong with mono based on these comparations | Apr 25 17:58 |
| trmanco | mono is all wrong, even by design | Apr 25 17:59 |
| seller_liar | Yes, but we must to do a wiki page and put theses comparation in mono section | Apr 25 18:00 |
| seller_liar | microsoft can use documentation to gives extra advantages to mono ,but not to dotgnu | Apr 25 18:03 |
| seller_liar | mono can be a slave for microsoft do destroy alternatives .net implementation | Apr 25 18:05 |
| seller_liar | for example dotgnu | Apr 25 18:05 |
| trmanco | it's already doing that | Apr 25 18:05 |
| trmanco | it's like a lock-in | Apr 25 18:06 |
| seller_liar | Yes, that is | Apr 25 18:06 |
| trmanco | or a lock out | Apr 25 18:06 |
| trmanco | just like directx is to opengl (sort of) | Apr 25 18:06 |
| seller_liar | please , if possible ,do a article comparing mono and dotgnu | Apr 25 18:07 |
| trmanco | try and get the game industry to use only directx for games, and that way the other platforms become obsolete | Apr 25 18:07 |
| trmanco | seller_liar, where? | Apr 25 18:07 |
| seller_liar | in your site | Apr 25 18:07 |
| seller_liar | and after put here in bn wiki | Apr 25 18:07 |
| trmanco | sure, I'll try and make one during the next weak | Apr 25 18:08 |
| seller_liar | ok thanks | Apr 25 18:08 |
| trmanco | but lets keep in touch, só that you can give me some ideas to what to write about | Apr 25 18:08 |
| trmanco | during the next weak | Apr 25 18:08 |
| trmanco | brb | Apr 25 18:08 |
| seller_liar | ok | Apr 25 18:09 |
| seller_liar | You can do a table comparing dotgnu and mono | Apr 25 18:09 |
| seller_liar | and after you can do a conclusion about this | Apr 25 18:09 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: We can destroy mono logo | Apr 25 18:12 |
| seller_liar | for example , we can add vampire teeth to monkey mono logo | Apr 25 18:13 |
| seller_liar | and change the eye for perverse eyes... | Apr 25 18:13 |
| seller_liar | and put a description text: | Apr 25 18:13 |
| seller_liar | Vampiring gnome and free software community | Apr 25 18:13 |
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| amarsh04 | Eruaran, 4 corners page on abc.net.au has a news tips link, but one would need some good pointers to ms buying out governments and educational institutions in .au for them to run with it | Apr 25 18:22 |
| Eruaran | Four Corners is not limited to Australian news only | Apr 25 18:24 |
| seller_liar | I was thinking .... | Apr 25 18:25 |
| seller_liar | If someday ubuntu gets too dependant ,the last hope is improve dotgnu | Apr 25 18:25 |
| amarsh04 | true Eruaran, but having some pointers to .au governments and educational institutions excluding free software in favour of ms monoculture would help make a strong case for change | Apr 25 18:26 |
| Eruaran | Four Corners is Australia's most respected television journalism program. | Apr 25 18:26 |
| Eruaran | I have already included some information on local market distortions | Apr 25 18:26 |
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| amarsh04 | for it to be a successful Four Corners programme it would have to help trigger changes of process within the organisations it covers (resignations, opening up) | Apr 25 18:28 |
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| amarsh04 | 4 corners would be a good program to cover ms leaning on governments worldwide | Apr 25 18:31 |
| Omar87 | I really don't know, people, but I'm starting to believe, that the vast majority of the WorldWideWeb's most bloated websites I've ever came across are built with A(ASS)P.NET.. | Apr 25 18:36 |
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| Omar87 | Does anybody agree with me? | Apr 25 18:38 |
| seller_liar | Omar87: about what? | Apr 25 18:38 |
| Omar87 | seller_liar: I'm starting to believe, that the vast majority of the WorldWideWeb's most bloated websites I've ever came across are built with A(ASS)P.NET.. | Apr 25 18:38 |
| seller_liar | We can't follow the world | Apr 25 18:39 |
| seller_liar | We need to find our way, and .. | Apr 25 18:39 |
| Omar87 | seller_liar: What do you mean? | Apr 25 18:39 |
| seller_liar | remember 95% of world does not worry about ethics | Apr 25 18:40 |
| seller_liar | Omar87: We can change this if we promote ethics for world | Apr 25 18:40 |
| Omar87 | seller_liar: Exactly, that's right, I agree. But what does it have to do with my point? | Apr 25 18:40 |
| seller_liar | ASP.net is controlled by a monopolist company | Apr 25 18:41 |
| Omar87 | seller_liar: Yes. | Apr 25 18:41 |
| seller_liar | If people have more ethics , people does not use asp.net | Apr 25 18:41 |
| seller_liar | even if asp.net is more powerful | Apr 25 18:41 |
| seller_liar | To change world ,we need to put ethics over power | Apr 25 18:42 |
| seller_liar | Free software try to teach this , but opensource destroy this idea | Apr 25 18:43 |
| trmanco | Omar87, I do | Apr 25 18:45 |
| seller_liar | I'm writing a paper about ethics and how to improve ethics, but It's not complete | Apr 25 18:45 |
| trmanco | they are not only bloated, but slow as crap too | Apr 25 18:46 |
| trmanco | it's the .NET fail (C) | Apr 25 18:46 |
| amarsh04 | ABC story about web page accesses being less than 90 percent ms mentions apple and netbooks but not linux or free software http://www.abc.net.au/rn/breakf... | Apr 25 18:47 |
| trmanco | isn't abc american? | Apr 25 18:47 |
| amarsh04 | Australian Broadcasting Corporation - .au government funded but independent of .au government | Apr 25 18:48 |
| amarsh04 | ms employing an anthropologist (who has since left, a google search on her name might be good for the ex-microsofters links): http://www.abc.net.au/rn/bydesi... | Apr 25 18:49 |
| trmanco | ah ok | Apr 25 18:49 |
| trmanco | http://fullcirclemagazine.org/issue-24 | Apr 25 19:04 |
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| Eruaran | I will review my request in the morning before sending it. | Apr 25 19:29 |
| Eruaran | Its late and I'm tired... I don't want to send anything thats nonsensical. | Apr 25 19:29 |
| amarsh04 | fair enough Eruaran | Apr 25 19:31 |
| Eruaran | I'll give them a link to the ECIS paper | Apr 25 19:33 |
| Eruaran | Its compelling reading | Apr 25 19:33 |
| Eruaran | It should be required reading for all IT students in school ;) | Apr 25 19:35 |
| amarsh04 | also for any history, understanding the dominant forces (East India companies anyone?) is important | Apr 25 19:38 |
| amarsh04 | a bit like knowing that the Titanic's radio operators were Marconi employees, not White Star Line employees | Apr 25 19:39 |
| trmanco | who here uses jabber? | Apr 25 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Hi, I'm back | Apr 25 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I don't know about warping Mono logo too much | Apr 25 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Marti made a vampire of the monkey | Apr 25 20:01 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, you have a lot to catch-up | Apr 25 20:01 |
| schestowitz | But if we post such defaces stuff we won't be treated well by the press | Apr 25 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Like Roughly Drafted | Apr 25 20:02 |
| schestowitz | If you deface people's faces and such.... | Apr 25 20:02 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: Yes, this is true | Apr 25 20:02 |
| schestowitz | If you work around it, then I see it as different | Apr 25 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Like turning "mono" to "monopoly" | Apr 25 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Or putting MS logo on the mono logo | Apr 25 20:02 |
| schestowitz | That's more gentle IMHO | Apr 25 20:02 |
| schestowitz | I was advised by people not to be 'hardcore' on insulting projects | Apr 25 20:03 |
| seller_liar | trmanco: explain to schestowitz about dotgnu and mono comparison | Apr 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Nor people | Apr 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: you know it pretty well | Apr 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | You could type it in the wiki as you did, noy just here | Apr 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | We have posts about it in BN also | Apr 25 20:03 |
| schestowitz | So it's not necessary to start from scratch | Apr 25 20:03 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: ok | Apr 25 20:04 |
| schestowitz | In the summer I'll write LOADS | Apr 25 20:04 |
| trmanco | seller_liar, I'm sure he knows the differences | Apr 25 20:04 |
| trmanco | he probably know more than I do | Apr 25 20:04 |
| trmanco | knows | Apr 25 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Michael is in Italy.. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php... | Apr 25 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Dina Bass, who is close to Microsoft, span the company's results in Bloomberg | Apr 25 20:16 |
| schestowitz | How predictable. | Apr 25 20:16 |
| schestowitz | We have Microsoft E-mails about her interactions | Apr 25 20:16 |
| Omar87 | seller_liar: By the way, Opensource is actually a part of FreeSoftware, but it cannot be separated from it. Because treating OpenSource as a stand-alone concept, like you said, can be the best recipe for disaster. | Apr 25 20:17 |
| schestowitz | "...Microsoft reaffirmed plans to eliminate as many as 5,000 jobs" | Apr 25 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Turns out profit fell by 33%, not 32 or 30 like others reported | Apr 25 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tried to spin its way out of it | Apr 25 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Lackeys like Bass helped them | Apr 25 20:19 |
| Omar87 | seller_liar: However, even Free Software needs some sort of management. For example, on the road, you are totally free to drive a car as long as you are authorized to do that (e.g: well trained on driving and have a legal official license), but you are not allowed to cross the red light or exceed a certain speed limit, because this might get you and/or other people hurt. | Apr 25 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Nice analogy | Apr 25 20:21 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Thanks. :) | Apr 25 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Vista news in the past week: 2 | Apr 25 20:22 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Apr 25 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Let check Vista7 | Apr 25 20:22 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft reaffirmed plans to eliminate as many as 5,000 jobs" | Apr 25 20:22 |
| schestowitz | YEah... according to Microsoft. | Apr 25 20:22 |
| schestowitz | The company which is supposedly supported by dead people | Apr 25 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Not followed it | Apr 25 20:23 |
| schestowitz | IDG 'article' | Apr 25 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Forbes: Forget Vista < http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/21/... > | Apr 25 20:23 |
| schestowitz | The article is pro-MS BS though | Apr 25 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Recites the Microsoft party lines and packs damage control | Apr 25 20:25 |
| schestowitz | 17 results for win7 | Apr 25 20:25 |
| schestowitz | The vapourware | Apr 25 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Versus 2 for the real product | Apr 25 20:26 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, did you see my mention of a now ex-ms anthropologist Anne Kirah | Apr 25 20:28 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft Leaks Windows 7 RC Date — Before May 5 - Slashdot" | Apr 25 20:28 |
| schestowitz | How can Microsoft LEAK something? | Apr 25 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Some other person can LEAK | Apr 25 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can only announce | Apr 25 20:28 |
| schestowitz | It's more of their PR nonsense | Apr 25 20:28 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: I haven't, where? | Apr 25 20:29 |
| seller_liar | Omar87: I know, but novell opensource way is not really opensource | Apr 25 20:29 |
| seller_liar | Omar87: Novell opensource way is destructive | Apr 25 20:30 |
| amarsh04 | found it on an abc.net.au web-ste: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/byd... - a Google search on her name shows that she no longer works for ms apparently | Apr 25 20:31 |
| Omar87 | seller_liar: Yes, indeed. Which is why I said what I said. | Apr 25 20:31 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: Novell is not an open source company | Apr 25 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Ask Novell | Apr 25 20:31 |
| schestowitz | It'll tell you | Apr 25 20:31 |
| schestowitz | It's a "mixed source" company | Apr 25 20:31 |
| schestowitz | They bought SUSE hoping it would serve as a ramp to selling non-Free lockin | Apr 25 20:32 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Which is worse than Proprietary, lol. :) | Apr 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Like Sentinel, Platespin etc | Apr 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Oracle does something similar | Apr 25 20:32 |
| seller_liar | Why not follow the model of redhat or sun? | Apr 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: too much baggage | Apr 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Novell cut the air supply of netware | Apr 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | I just got mail about it hours ago | Apr 25 20:32 |
| seller_liar | about what? | Apr 25 20:33 |
| Omar87 | seller_liar: Unfortunately, Sun is an Oracle property now.. -_- | Apr 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | "It might be worth finding out how Novell is dealing with apparent EOL of its main product. Is it staying open source and steering its former customers to Samba, or is it simply yet another sales front for M$?" | Apr 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I wondered the same thing. | Apr 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | "Could sound it out by floating the message that Samba is in some cases a drop-in replacement for Netware or Windows Server." | Apr 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Any idea what Novell plans for netware migration? | Apr 25 20:33 |
| amarsh04 | Novell previously claimed that it would support IPX for 100 years | Apr 25 20:34 |
| seller_liar | to go for suEse "linux" | Apr 25 20:34 |
| seller_liar | and use commercial support for mono | Apr 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows... (Windows 7: 83% Of Businesses Won't Deploy Next Year) | Apr 25 20:35 |
| seller_liar | look | Apr 25 20:35 |
| seller_liar | http://www.mono-project.com/n... | Apr 25 20:35 |
| seller_liar | suEse in action! | Apr 25 20:35 |
| Omar87 | Damn! Suse is such a great distro., too bad it's owned by such an evil company. | Apr 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | VistaDB. ? | Apr 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | "The Enterprise Mono Extension provides access to both commercial and open source databases including Microsoft's SQL server, Oracle, PostgresSQL, MySQL, Sqlite and VistaDB. " | Apr 25 20:36 |
| seller_liar | look ,,the first example of Opensource is..... | Apr 25 20:36 |
| seller_liar | M$ sql server! | Apr 25 20:36 |
| seller_liar | Oh ,I have forgotten "commercial and opensource" | Apr 25 20:37 |
| Omar87 | seller_liar: Which is not MS'es invention by the way. :) | Apr 25 20:37 |
| seller_liar | Why use Ms sql server as first example | Apr 25 20:37 |
| MinceR | well, it was open source while it was ingres | Apr 25 20:37 |
| Omar87 | seller_liar: Wait, SQL Server was igres?? | Apr 25 20:38 |
| MinceR | what's great about suse? | Apr 25 20:38 |
| seller_liar | novell loves to publish microsoft software | Apr 25 20:38 |
| MinceR | Omar87: it's derived from ingres | Apr 25 20:38 |
| Omar87 | ingres** | Apr 25 20:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ugly reptiles | Apr 25 20:38 |
| MinceR | just like most rdbms-es out there | Apr 25 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Ask benJIman | Apr 25 20:38 |
| MinceR | read the WP article ;) | Apr 25 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Apr 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | SUSE/Ballmer has a lot in common with Ballmer | Apr 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Long tongues, changing colours | Apr 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | For the chameleon anyway | Apr 25 20:39 |
| benJIman | Sybase iirc. | Apr 25 20:41 |
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| benJIman | MinceR: It's not an rdbms, neither arenpostgres or mysql. | Apr 25 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Jessica Mintz - REDMOND, Wash - Microsoft's shill at AP | Apr 25 20:43 |
| Omar87 | benJIman: They are not relational dbms? | Apr 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | They make news out of nothing | Apr 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | More PR, never mind the link | Apr 25 20:43 |
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| benJIman | Omar87: They're not relational, no. | Apr 25 20:45 |
| Omar87 | benJIman: Then what are they? | Apr 25 20:45 |
| benJIman | Pseudo-relational dbmses. | Apr 25 20:46 |
| seller_liar | hey roy you need to set plans for bn | Apr 25 20:48 |
| seller_liar | For example , reorder all wiki | Apr 25 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Taps Former IBM Tools Exec for Security Job < http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-D... > | Apr 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Beware of IBM too. It's also evil, it just doesn't attack FOSS | Apr 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: yes, we definitely need lots of work | Apr 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | The front page of the Wiki is read like 1k times a day | Apr 25 20:53 |
| MinceR | benJIman: they're pseudo because they allow you to deviate from the theory nobody uses, right? :> | Apr 25 20:53 |
| schestowitz | So it would be valuable to create a good index of posts | Apr 25 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I plan to do it at some stage with your help | Apr 25 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw did that some years ago too with help of readers | Apr 25 20:53 |
| seller_liar | I have updated bn mission | Apr 25 20:54 |
| seller_liar | look | Apr 25 20:54 |
| seller_liar | http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/in... | Apr 25 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen and the bankruptcy of his company is still in the headline | Apr 25 20:55 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: cool. | Apr 25 20:55 |
| seller_liar | Paul Allen is a stupid guy | Apr 25 20:56 |
| seller_liar | He has some disease .Paul allen does not understand the real meanning of life | Apr 25 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Image added: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?t... | Apr 25 20:59 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/wik... | Apr 25 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I don't want to spend much time on the Wiki just yet tough because I still invest just limited time in BN. Later on I'll start picking up pace | Apr 25 21:00 |
| seller_liar | ok ,don t worry . | Apr 25 21:00 |
| schestowitz | It's not hard to do all this, just a matter of time :-) | Apr 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | The only thing to rush is keeping up with news | Apr 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has no output | Apr 25 21:02 |
| benJIman | MinceR: Because it's impossible to comply with the theory. | Apr 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | The US depression brought things to a halt pretty much | Apr 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | The 'poor' journalists struiggle to find things to write about (is what I was told) | Apr 25 21:03 |
| schestowitz | They jumped all over the Sun/Oracle deal because it's ACTUAL news | Apr 25 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Jason Stamper: "Did Oracle acquire Sun to stop Microsoft buying it?" | Apr 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | What a silly idea. | Apr 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Not even FTC would allow it | Apr 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessreviewonline.com/blog/a... | Apr 25 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Lawsuit settled over death of Matthew Ammon, a Microsoft lawyer killed in a Bellevue crane collapse < http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/techt... > | Apr 25 21:13 |
| seller_liar | haha | Apr 25 21:13 |
| seller_liar | look | Apr 25 21:13 |
| seller_liar | http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/ | Apr 25 21:13 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: he's using Linux again | Apr 25 21:13 |
| schestowitz | I told you | Apr 25 21:13 |
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| seller_liar | but look about mono! | Apr 25 21:13 |
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| seller_liar | "To please Roy(and myself)" | Apr 25 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I see...... :-) | Apr 25 21:14 |
| MinceR | benJIman: so you're complaining because i used a term the way it's used instead of in a way that would be useless. | Apr 25 21:18 |
| MinceR | way to go. ;) | Apr 25 21:19 |
| MinceR | next time you'll be telling me that no programming language is turing-complete because you don't have infinite memory. :> | Apr 25 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street Journal: "Microsoft 3Q Net Down 32% On PC, Server Market Weakness" | Apr 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I'm too lazy to do more posts about it | Apr 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | I don't feel as though it's needed, is it? | Apr 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | In prior mquarter it was harder to show that Microsoft was going down, which is was | Apr 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | It was concealing; this time not well enough (since a108) | Apr 25 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Wintel press headline: "Microsoft Disappoints." | Apr 25 21:26 |
| seller_liar | the last openbsd version critiques microsoft-intel ACPI | Apr 25 21:27 |
| seller_liar | http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#45 | Apr 25 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Many cuts at Microsoft this week. | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Cancellations | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft cuts CSR spend across Europe http://www.prweek.com/uk/sectors/... | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Cancels 2009 BI Conference, Schedules It For Every Two Years http://www.crn.com/software/217000139;... | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft calls off summer picnic, cites need to reduce expenses http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Micr... | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz | All in a matter _of days_ | Apr 25 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Who is Bill Rigby? | Apr 25 21:32 |
| trmanco | Windows Bugs Never Truly Squashed: http://www.pcworld.com/article/163857/w... | Apr 25 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Richard Waters, as usual, plays alone with the Microsoft party line in the Financial Tiems | Apr 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Apr 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Funny typo there. | Apr 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz | TIE-MS | Apr 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Times | Apr 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz | (ties with Microsoft) | Apr 25 21:33 |
| Balrog | someone I know wants to license a program under a non-copyleft license. | Apr 25 21:34 |
| Balrog | what's best to use? | Apr 25 21:34 |
| Balrog | New BSD? MIT? Apache? | Apr 25 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Origami is dead too now: Microsoft Origami site to fold by end of April http://www.slashgear.com/micro... | Apr 25 21:36 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: what should I recommend? | Apr 25 21:36 |
| Balrog | he specifically wants non-copyleft | Apr 25 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Apr 25 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Ask why | Apr 25 21:37 |
| schestowitz | It's reconcilable. | Apr 25 21:37 |
| Balrog | "For all intents and purposes anyone has my permission to do with the code as you wish." | Apr 25 21:37 |
| Balrog | << right now the code is "Copyright all rights reserved" | Apr 25 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: tell him he'd be ripped off for "Rape me"-type licence | Apr 25 21:37 |
| Balrog | which means that's not true. | Apr 25 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: so he's confused | Apr 25 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not sure that BSD is almost like public domain | Apr 25 21:38 |
| Balrog | it's unlikely that anyone would use this code | Apr 25 21:38 |
| Balrog | it's a 68K mac emulator | Apr 25 21:38 |
| schestowitz | make it gplv3 | Apr 25 21:38 |
| schestowitz | it attarcts some devs | Apr 25 21:38 |
| Balrog | he doesn't want copyleft, specifically | Apr 25 21:38 |
| schestowitz | At least the FOSS ones | Apr 25 21:38 |
| Balrog | I know, but it's hard to convince some people | Apr 25 21:39 |
| Balrog | my problem is that 'All right reserved" != open source | Apr 25 21:39 |
| Balrog | and therefore I can't use it for anything ... others have complained. He is confused, obviously, and this is why probably it would be best just to go with a public-domain style license | Apr 25 21:40 |
| schestowitz | The MS shill Jim Goldman shows up again | Apr 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | He meets with MS execs | Apr 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Now he's propping them up, as usual | Apr 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cnbc.com/id/30368861 | Apr 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | I'm sick and tired with Hollywood type 'news' media glamorizing bad people | Apr 25 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: tell him this | Apr 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Most popular licence on Earath is GPL | Apr 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | So many developers have already decided | Apr 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Windows, the GPL doesn't get lumped into PCs by OEMs :-) | Apr 25 21:42 |
| schestowitz | So it's an actual choice | Apr 25 21:42 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: as much as I'd like to, I can't convince him to use GPL. BSD-style is ok because it's GPL compatible | Apr 25 21:42 |
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| Balrog | plus this is very low-profile software that not many people care about (except those writing this kind of software) | Apr 25 21:43 |
| schestowitz | GPL means, I give my work to you and I expect you and others tobe equally generous | Apr 25 21:43 |
| Balrog | I know. | Apr 25 21:43 |
| Balrog | he doesn't seem to care about that | Apr 25 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I don't feel qualifies to make recommendation on this type of licences | Apr 25 21:45 |
| schestowitz | And I don't want to say anything based on misconceptions or gut feeling. | Apr 25 21:46 |
| seller_liar | OpenBsd people call Ibm of The "Open Source Friendly liar" | Apr 25 21:46 |
| schestowitz | It is | Apr 25 21:46 |
| schestowitz | But not one that attacks us | Apr 25 21:46 |
| schestowitz | GOogle too has its flaws | Apr 25 21:46 |
| schestowitz | IBM likes Eclipse licence | Apr 25 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Google loves Apache | Apr 25 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Goole HATES AGPLv* | Apr 25 21:46 |
| seller_liar | all opensource devs are liars | Apr 25 21:46 |
| Balrog | yeah, I know ... | Apr 25 21:47 |
| MinceR | the biggest flaw of google is that it exists | Apr 25 21:47 |
| MinceR | seller_liar: explain. | Apr 25 21:47 |
| seller_liar | MinceR: OpenSource looks for profits | Apr 25 21:47 |
| MinceR | ..and? | Apr 25 21:48 |
| seller_liar | MinceR: Sharing is more important than ethics | Apr 25 21:48 |
| MinceR | not all of it though | Apr 25 21:48 |
| MinceR | yes, some of them says that | Apr 25 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I am still seeing older articles about MS layoffs | Apr 25 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I very much doubt they will last | Apr 25 21:48 |
| schestowitz | They said they would sack more | Apr 25 21:48 |
| schestowitz | analysts said the same | Apr 25 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Profits down 33% | Apr 25 21:49 |
| seller_liar | MinceR: Opensource share code only to monetize code | Apr 25 21:49 |
| schestowitz | And like Novell they delay the inevitable | Apr 25 21:49 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: opensoue doesn't mean no profit | Apr 25 21:49 |
| seller_liar | when the code is sufficiently powerful , opensource devs tries do mix with proprietary things | Apr 25 21:49 |
| schestowitz | See GNU manifesto | Apr 25 21:49 |
| schestowitz | People need to make a living | Apr 25 21:49 |
| schestowitz | They can cater for users of free software | Apr 25 21:49 |
| seller_liar | I know , but opensource only thinks in profit | Apr 25 21:49 |
| schestowitz | I was paid to write GPL s/w | Apr 25 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Which I enjoyed very much | Apr 25 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I write code I OWN (well, in the GPL sense) | Apr 25 21:50 |
| schestowitz | And make a living | Apr 25 21:50 |
| seller_liar | There are as difference to live well developing software and get rich to developing software | Apr 25 21:50 |
| MinceR | i doubt ESR shares all their stuff only to monetize it | Apr 25 21:50 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: open source != FS | Apr 25 21:50 |
| MinceR | especially his INTERCAL compiler ;) | Apr 25 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Don't mix the two | Apr 25 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I don't fancy open source | Apr 25 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I'm not fond of the "open core" BS that's floating now | Apr 25 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Making OSS just a PR thing | Apr 25 21:51 |
| seller_liar | opensource people likes power | Apr 25 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Cheapening of coding | Apr 25 21:51 |
| MinceR | "open core"? | Apr 25 21:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: don't ask | Apr 25 21:51 |
| seller_liar | to more precise= powerful software ,a lot of money and another powerfulk things | Apr 25 21:51 |
| schestowitz | See this morning's post | Apr 25 21:51 |
| schestowitz | About MS EEE | Apr 25 21:51 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: Mozilla? | Apr 25 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla has no millionaires | Apr 25 21:52 |
| schestowitz | But they make great sw and make a livbing | Apr 25 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Nothing wrong with that | Apr 25 21:52 |
| seller_liar | free software priority is ethics = ethical software, ethics, quality of life | Apr 25 21:52 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: agreed | Apr 25 21:52 |
| schestowitz | I don't sacrifice for FS to promote some IBM | Apr 25 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Some Apple fans spend (waste) their life helping billionaires like Jobs. | Apr 25 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Which amuses me every time :-D | Apr 25 21:53 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: Yes ,although some values are discarded like proprietary plugins | Apr 25 21:53 |
| seller_liar | But the biggest difference in open source and free software is | Apr 25 21:53 |
| seller_liar | Free software has a purpose | Apr 25 21:53 |
| seller_liar | All to be free software and ethical | Apr 25 21:53 |
| seller_liar | OpenSource not | Apr 25 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Yup | Apr 25 21:54 |
| schestowitz | OSS - back to selfishness | Apr 25 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Job must be thinking, "what a bunch of suckers. I love them" | Apr 25 21:54 |
| seller_liar | Opensource does not try to enforce all software must be free | Apr 25 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Depends | Apr 25 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Some OSS people are FS fans | Apr 25 21:54 |
| schestowitz | But they go under OSS banner | Apr 25 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Like OSI's president | Apr 25 21:54 |
| seller_liar | Opensource Likes the actual system | Apr 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | I'm like friends with him | Apr 25 21:55 |
| seller_liar | poverty ,luxury , excessive money , money concentratio and all | Apr 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | And he's very pro-GNU | Apr 25 21:55 |
| schestowitz | But goes under "open source" | Apr 25 21:55 |
| seller_liar | This is a exception , not a rule | Apr 25 21:55 |
| seller_liar | People like linus for example and sUN Microsystems are opensource entirely | Apr 25 21:55 |
| MinceR | who's OSI's president? | Apr 25 21:56 |
| seller_liar | Linus lose the real purpose of free software | Apr 25 21:56 |
| seller_liar | Linus is dreaming in a illusion of money and power | Apr 25 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Fresh Layoffs Coming To Microsoft? (MSFT) The Business Insider | Apr 25 21:57 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: Linux says "open source" | Apr 25 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Alan Cox says "free software | Apr 25 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Cox like FSFS | Apr 25 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Torvalds hates FSF IMHO | Apr 25 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Analyst: More layoffs at Microsoft possible Seattle Times | Apr 25 21:58 |
| schestowitz | More Microsoft job cuts rumored Puget Sound Business Journal (Seattle) Bizjournals.com | Apr 25 21:58 |
| schestowitz | More Microsoft job cuts rumored Puget Sound Business Journal (Seattle) Bizjournals.com | Apr 25 21:58 |
| schestowitz | paidContent.org - Analyst: More Layoffs Coming To Microsoft | Apr 25 21:58 |
| schestowitz | GNU/Linux saves many hours by coming so complete: http://jkontherun.com/2009/04/19/... | Apr 25 22:03 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft crack turns out to have been a DNS-level thing: http://www.theregister.co.uk... | Apr 25 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | What is Chavez doing?!? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h... | Apr 25 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Obama hopefully reads a little bit about history from that book Hugo gave him. | Apr 25 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva takes a while to load now (bloat), but I only reboot like 6 times/year. I want to try and achieve 1-year uptime. The most I ever did was 200+ days | Apr 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | What a bad week this has been for Microsoft. So many things were QUIETLY canceled/axed. | Apr 25 22:12 |
| schestowitz | MS' Web division is down 17% http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/25... | Apr 25 22:24 |
| schestowitz | The big tipping point is already here (before Thurs.). I'll do new posts to explains this. | Apr 25 22:28 |
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| schestowitz | Whao | Apr 25 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Whoa | Apr 25 22:32 |
| schestowitz | High res | Apr 25 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Never seen this | Apr 25 22:33 |
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| amarsh04 | was referenced from linuxtoday.com back around March 31... since 2D acceleration was working on my new box as of the last 24 hours or so I tried it in konqueror/Adobe flash plugin and it played fine | Apr 25 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s Origami folds; picnic cancelled; conference cancelled; PR budget cut worldwide http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0... | Apr 25 22:59 |
| seller_liar | I was thinking.... | Apr 25 23:06 |
| seller_liar | There are some people against all system | Apr 25 23:06 |
| seller_liar | and Other people likes some things about system | Apr 25 23:07 |
| seller_liar | Free software is against all corrupt and wild system | Apr 25 23:07 |
| seller_liar | Open Source is not .Sometimes is even help the corrupt system in actual world | Apr 25 23:07 |
| seller_liar | The propriety of system is pervert all less powerful things than system | Apr 25 23:09 |
| seller_liar | So. | Apr 25 23:09 |
| seller_liar | OpenSouce is corrupted Free software | Apr 25 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Further Confirmation That Microsoft’s Big Pain Comes from GNU/Linux on Sub-notebooks http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/25/... | Apr 25 23:49 |
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