12.24.08

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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: December 23rd, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:30 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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kentma1	Aa1 is excellent. Very popular with mrs. Mark & kids	Dec 23 00:50
kentma1	Canadian sister & cousin also want one!	Dec 23 00:51
schestowitz	Oh, Asus Aspire One.	Dec 23 00:53
kentma1	That’s right. First time I’ve touched an rpm0based system in years, I’m learning yum	Dec 23 00:54
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schestowitz	it’s Fedora.	Dec 23 01:03
schestowitz	Gosh. I thought you were a Debian guy	Dec 23 01:03
kentma	I am, but aa1 is linpus,	Dec 23 01:04
kentma	Which is fc7 or fc8-based	Dec 23 01:04
schestowitz	You could have fun with other distributions, I think.	Dec 23 01:05
schestowitz	But the Eee PC seems more hackable with “just add water” distros	Dec 23 01:05
kentma	Eee is expensive now, though	Dec 23 01:08
kentma	Aa1 is cheap, and mostly i want it to work which it does	Dec 23 01:09
schestowitz	This annoys me < http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,2… >. They think that if they kill PROTOCOLS, then sharing will stop?? That’s like invading countries thinking that it will stop terrorism rather than encourage more hatred.	Dec 23 01:23
kentma	Fighting for peace…	Dec 23 01:24
schestowitz	Killing for life.	Dec 23 01:29
schestowitz	Toyota projects first loss in 70 years < http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081222/as_japan_t… >	Dec 23 01:43
MinceR	gn	Dec 23 02:44
schestowitz	nn	Dec 23 02:46
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Omar87	Hi all.	Dec 23 06:12
Omar87	Is it true that there’s an attempt to lock wikipedia down?	Dec 23 06:13
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schestowitz	Aspyr Media Confirms Layoffs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155885/aspy… >	Dec 23 09:49
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schestowitz	Unisys to Cut 1,300 Jobs < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155935/unisys_t… >	Dec 23 10:05
schestowitz	Stupid Wintel press calls “hacking” a crime (not cracking): http://www.pcworld.com/article/155937/software_…	Dec 23 10:08
schestowitz	Boycott Novell is now stuck at about 22,000 pageviews a day. This may be the first month when there’s no climb in traffic. In Boycott Novell I’ve written about 5000 posts that provide details of the various illnesses — mostly ethical — inside Microsoft Corporation, but we need more ideas of stuff to cover.	Dec 23 10:16
schestowitz	Are you aware of similar scandals that are not explored as much as they should? Their revisionism discourages exploration and due to ‘information rot’ we need to have all that stuff documented. I happen to suspect that Microsoft has a pyramid scheme going as well; they say that “everyone is doing it” and I fear that Madoff’s crimes were just the beginning.	Dec 23 10:16
schestowitz	Despite the Economic Gloom, Another Home Run for Red Hat < http://ostatic.com/blog/despite-the-eco… >	Dec 23 10:23
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/22/redha… “For the first nine months of the fiscal year, Red Hat’s sales came to $486.4m, up 27.5 per cent, and net income was $65.4m, up 14 per cent.”	Dec 23 10:29
schestowitz	Dell restructuring puts 2,000 Limerick jobs under threat < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/22/dell… >	Dec 23 10:32
schestowitz	“In September the Wall Street Journal suggested Dell was thinking of closing the plant and moving its manufacturing responsibilities to one in Lodz, Poland which, it is speculated, was being transferred to Foxconn, a Taiwan-based contract manufacturer.”	Dec 23 10:32
schestowitz	Foxconn, Linux convicts……… so they take over factories around the world. Another Chinese company, Lenovo, has been trying to buy computer companies around the globe. China may be the next superpower.	Dec 23 10:33
schestowitz	Speaking of Lenovo, here’s something I’ve been looking forward to since 2005: Lenovo preps dual-display Frankenlaptop < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/… >	Dec 23 10:35
schestowitz	Kucinich on America’s Banking System: ‘Once, They Were Gods’ < http://www.alternet.org/workplace/113127/kuc… >	Dec 23 10:37
schestowitz	http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-… “The Colombian army under President Horrible acts as an army of occupation for the US.”	Dec 23 10:39
schestowitz	Good-bye hard drive? Will PC hard-disks die next year? < http://blogs.computerworld.com/good_b… >	Dec 23 10:43
schestowitz	“A Microsoft spokesman declined to comment [on layoffs].” http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Employee_blo…	Dec 23 10:44
schestowitz	http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=…	Dec 23 10:55
schestowitz	Countdown – McCain’s Abramoff Connections and an Opening Act < http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=gnqgh-WSNyM >	Dec 23 11:01
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schestowitz	Internet Company Valuations Now Below Their Lows From Last Bubble Burst < http://techdirt.com/articles/200812… >	Dec 23 11:15
schestowitz	http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and…	Dec 23 11:31
schestowitz	There’s this too: http://www.awitness.org/journal/microsoft…	Dec 23 11:35
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schestowitz	People are endlessly naive wrt tax evasion as ‘philanthropy’… http://blog.generationscult.com/2008/11/0…	Dec 23 11:57
schestowitz	It is difficult to find much proof other than Parish’s: “Bill Gates, Alan Sugar and other CEO’s run corporate pyramid companies. Good example!” http://www.firstclassmlm.com/2007/12/10/mul…	Dec 23 12:01
schestowitz	Dman. http://www.frauddiscovery.net/Herbali…	Dec 23 12:03
schestowitz	Most of the other stuff that comes up if too ‘crackpotty’: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/bill_gates.html	Dec 23 12:11
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schestowitz	‘Ausaf Umar Siddiqui, 42, who goes by “Omar” and was Fry’s vice president of merchandising and operations, appeared Monday in federal court, where prosecutors filed a complaint alleging he masterminded a “secret kickback scheme to defraud Fry’s Electronics of millions of dollars.”‘ http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_1129…	Dec 23 12:20
schestowitz	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/23…	Dec 23 12:27
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MinceR	geekings	Dec 23 13:15
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schestowitz	Threats without the MAFIAA proxy: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7795157.stm	Dec 23 14:35
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Obondoo	Roy, you compare Microsoft with a pyramid scheme.	Dec 23 14:54
Obondoo	If the software is 5$ for some why is it more for us.	Dec 23 14:54
Obondoo	What would be a fair price for Win Vista?	Dec 23 14:55
Obondoo	http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BMD…	Dec 23 14:57
Obondoo	2000	Dec 23 14:57
Obondoo	“My first gut reaction would be as long as Microsoft doesn’t start laying off people — and I don’t picture them doing that anytime soon — we’ll be OK,”	Dec 23 14:59
Obondoo	http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/…	Dec 23 14:59
Obondoo	Seattle Times Oct 04 2008	Dec 23 15:00
schestowitz	Hey	Dec 23 15:00
schestowitz	Seattle Times is biased	Dec 23 15:00
schestowitz	They have helped Microsoft’s denialists	Dec 23 15:00
schestowitz	Obondoo: the price of Windows and practices on a technical level are not related to the financial.	Dec 23 15:01
Obondoo	ok ok	Dec 23 15:03
schestowitz	Next month will be interesting, and not just for Microsoft	Dec 23 15:05
Obondoo	They outsourced their sales to “partners”.	Dec 23 15:05
Obondoo	What is supposed to happen next month?	Dec 23 15:05
schestowitz	Outsourced it? Got a link?	Dec 23 15:06
schestowitz	I know they hire many foreign people and temps so that they can be dropped without announcing layoffs.	Dec 23 15:06
Obondoo	http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article…	Dec 23 15:07
Obondoo	like the cloud picture	Dec 23 15:07
Obondoo	http://www.sdtimes.com/SAM_RAMJI_OPEN_SOURCE_IS_…	Dec 23 15:09
Obondoo	This is new:	Dec 23 15:09
Obondoo	Microsoft has begun to realign its legal department, allowing it to work in collaboration with its engineers so that product teams can have more flexibility with open-source software.	Dec 23 15:09
schestowitz	It’s all about Windoiws	Dec 23 15:13
Obondoo	http://venturebeat.com/2008/12/…	Dec 23 15:13
schestowitz	Buy Microsoft stack parts, be safe.	Dec 23 15:13
schestowitz	The editors should be ashamed of themselves for pushing this agenda, but as court evidence shows, Microsoft has the power to “plant” stories in the media	Dec 23 15:13
schestowitz	“On that day the bottom “10 percent-ers” (presumably, those performing the worst) could be gone — as many as 5,000 to 10,000 employees. Damn.”	Dec 23 15:14
Obondoo	Recommendation: let IBM offer support for Win XP and in 2035 IBM would terminate customer support…	Dec 23 15:15
Obondoo	Microsoft’d better lay off their lobbyists.	Dec 23 15:17
Obondoo	Corruption is illegal in the United States?!	Dec 23 15:18
Obondoo	http://www.buzzflash.com/article…	Dec 23 15:20
Obondoo	Said, as just one example, a spokeswoman for Microsoft: “Our philosophy around political giving is based on helping candidates, primarily incumbent candidates.” But should that incumbent get the electoral ax, then Microsoft is there — post-election — to help the successful challenger. “The fact of the matter is, that candidate won,” she added.	Dec 23 15:21
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_doug	hi there …	Dec 23 15:28
schestowitz	Got any news?	Dec 23 15:29
_doug	Pyramed 101 ..	Dec 23 15:29
schestowitz	Hehe. India buys a piece of the US..	Dec 23 15:29
_doug	schest ?	Dec 23 15:29
_doug	“Whether Microsoft can implode or not, we do not know for sure yet”	Dec 23 15:29
_doug	MS can’t implode, as it would take the entire IT industry with it, and the rest of the ‘real’ economy. That’s why the consumers are going to be spending the next three decades paying for the bailout, through higher taxes and prices ..	Dec 23 15:29
schestowitz	Wipro Buys Citigroup’s Indian Software Arm < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155947/wipro_buys_… >	Dec 23 15:30
schestowitz	_doug: yes, I know.	Dec 23 15:30
schestowitz	“Wipro is acquiring Citi Technology Services, an IT services and software development subsidiary in India of Citigroup for about US$127 million in cash.”	Dec 23 15:30
_doug	but then again, WallStreet is a giantic Pyramid scheme ..	Dec 23 15:30
schestowitz	Bubble economy.	Dec 23 15:30
schestowitz	_doug: true that too.	Dec 23 15:30
schestowitz	It was hard to say this some years ago, but people are more receptive to these observations now that even the former NASDAQ chairman is a massive criminal.	Dec 23 15:31
_doug	I guess I’l have to move ot India, if I want to keep a job in IT ..	Dec 23 15:31
schestowitz		Dec 23 15:31
schestowitz	It’s nice there this rime of the year.	Dec 23 15:32
_doug	I was talking to a call-center operative, she’s on $100 a month ..	Dec 23 15:32
schestowitz	Maybe they’ll lobby their government to allow some foreigners to obtain a visa and work temporarily in India.	Dec 23 15:32
schestowitz	Don’t put any financial data in MS SQL Server… http://www.pcworld.com/article/1559…	Dec 23 15:33
_doug	Technical Officer RH35,000 ..	Dec 23 15:34
_doug	http://www.kellyservices.co.in/web/in/s…	Dec 23 15:35
_doug	= GB£487.424	Dec 23 15:36
_doug	re: SQL injection, it’s always caused by a buffer-overflow in some DLL, a design flaw in the MMU, been there since the original x86 processer, never been fixed ..	Dec 23 15:37
schestowitz	Are Cells immune to it?	Dec 23 15:38
schestowitz	I’m sure you could find similar exploits in other designs. Diversity is important.	Dec 23 15:38
_doug	HelpDesk Operative = UK£278	Dec 23 15:38
_doug	This was solved years ago, in the VAX	Dec 23 15:39
_doug	What is the point of having a MMU that can’t handle buffer-overflows ?	Dec 23 15:39
_doug	Relying on the calling app to be bug free is futile.	Dec 23 15:39
_doug	What about deliberatly designing in a hack ?	Dec 23 15:40
_doug	The latest MS spin is, it’s all bugs in the applications, not our OS ..	Dec 23 15:40
schestowitz	Yes, I know.	Dec 23 15:41
schestowitz	“Al companies are equally evil”	Dec 23 15:41
_doug	Data Entry clerk = UK£167.6911	Dec 23 15:41
schestowitz	“Al software application are equally buggy”	Dec 23 15:41
schestowitz	*All	Dec 23 15:41
_doug	Yea, but the underlying OS should handle the buggy code, fail safe, not give up the whole system ..	Dec 23 15:42
schestowitz	You can ‘install’ permissions mechanism.	Dec 23 15:43
schestowitz	Or ‘buy’ security	Dec 23 15:44
_doug	No, just design a MMU that won’t allow process B to access process A’s memory, regardless ..	Dec 23 15:44
_doug	“Nullification of Unknown Malicious Code Execution with Buffer Overflows”	Dec 23 15:44
_doug	http://www.stormingmedia.us/54/5471/…	Dec 23 15:44
_doug	the root cause is the defective MMU in x86 based systems ..	Dec 23 15:45
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_doug	Like, if I try and stuff too much data into a 100 byte allocated buffer, nothing should happen, nothing, nada, zilch, it returns safely ..	Dec 23 15:47
_doug	Or at least prevent DATA being run as CODE, as in marking the buffer READ, WRITE, EXECUTE ..	Dec 23 15:48
schestowitz	Sanitization?	Dec 23 15:48
_doug	Do it in the MMU, not in the calling code ..	Dec 23 15:48
schestowitz	Sometimes it’s a P/L thing.	Dec 23 15:48
schestowitz	Intel et al just make chips. They do what they do, not provide safety nets	Dec 23 15:49
_doug	This isn’t high-energy physics, any competent college dept could design a MMU immune to buffer-overflow attacks ..	Dec 23 15:50
trmanco	cool -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=6…	Dec 23 15:52
_doug	help, there’s a canary in my computer :]	Dec 23 15:52
_doug	stop trying to change the topic	Dec 23 15:52
_doug	MMUs and buffer-overflows, and viruses, and phishing, and credit-card fraud, and indentity theft ..	Dec 23 15:53
_doug	ProPolice is a stack smashing protector developed by IBM and based on StackGuard.	Dec 23 15:53
_doug	http://www.x.org/wiki/ProPolice	Dec 23 15:53
_doug	A Comparison of Buffer Overflow Prevention Implementations and Weaknesses ..	Dec 23 15:55
_doug	http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-04/bh…	Dec 23 15:55
_doug	Buffer-overflows, around since 1972, and still not fixed ..	Dec 23 15:59
_doug	http://csrc.nist.gov/publication…	Dec 23 15:59
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_doug	computer helps shrink films so the images can be sent down the narrow pipes	Dec 23 16:04
_doug	http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/t…	Dec 23 16:04
_doug	This is a ‘technology’ report ?	Dec 23 16:04
schestowitz	OK, I’m back.	Dec 23 16:04
schestowitz	This is the first time COmpiz crashed on me, I think.	Dec 23 16:04
_doug	“Richard Crosby .. told the BBC that development of the system had taken nearly 15 years”	Dec 23 16:05
_doug	Dunno, sounds like peering, similar to Akami ..	Dec 23 16:05
schestowitz	Hold on.	Dec 23 16:05
_doug	And will it scale ?	Dec 23 16:06
_doug	Compiz ?	Dec 23 16:06
_doug	And th ISPs will squeel that it is taking too much bandwidth ..	Dec 23 16:06
_doug	“This is the evolution of television.”	Dec 23 16:07
_doug	Ohh, woopy, the Internet, just like television 1987 ..	Dec 23 16:07
trmanco	black and white	Dec 23 16:08
schestowitz	Hehe. BeeBeeShe… Computer grid aids film service	Dec 23 16:08
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schestowitz	Black and white=less bandwidth	Dec 23 16:09
schestowitz	At peak time, your NetTV will grow grey-scale to scale	Dec 23 16:09
schestowitz	In the past, BT spoke about deploying fibre	Dec 23 16:09
schestowitz	But back then we lived in Bubble Land…. now people are starting to wake up while the gov^H^H^H^Hvision tells people to buy, buy, buy… y’know for Xmas.	Dec 23 16:10
_doug	iPlayer is good, when it works, goes very sluggish about 7:00pm onwards ..	Dec 23 16:10
_doug	I do like the convience of watching when I want ..	Dec 23 16:11
_doug	Acacia patents light valve system ..	Dec 23 16:13
_doug	http://www.itbusinessnet.com/articl…	Dec 23 16:13
_doug	Specifically, this Complaint asserts against Defendants arising from their infringment of various claims in U.S PAt. No. 5,550,604, issued on August 27, 1996, and entitled “Compact High Resolution Light Valve Projector”, (the ’604 PAtent”)	Dec 23 16:18
_doug	http://coby.nixon.googlepages.com/…	Dec 23 16:18
schestowitz	On iPlayer: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs…	Dec 23 16:19
_doug	“A preferred embodiment of the system comprises a three light valve system with an arc lamp”	Dec 23 16:20
schestowitz	Just got a nice E-mail: “I appreciate your posted reply and your commentary to me. Please keep up your tireless activism in pushing for reform from the U.K. I became an activist regarding these issues in 1979 while still a graduate student.”	Dec 23 16:20
_doug	http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1…	Dec 23 16:20
_doug	“an active matrix light valve comprising a plurality of pixel electrodes”	Dec 23 16:21
_doug	Isn’t this a combination of color filters, optic-fibers and liguid crystal display ?	Dec 23 16:22
schestowitz	It’s too like to revoke it.	Dec 23 16:23
schestowitz	Unless you are wealthy… or SUED.	Dec 23 16:23
schestowitz	In the latter case, you must be wealthy too… /before/ the suit, not after.	Dec 23 16:23
schestowitz	Or….. you could pay Acacia some protection money and keep your knee cap warm.	Dec 23 16:24
schestowitz	Watch this video: http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/ne… What the government says is what industry says, but that’s not news (you can read it in two ways). This is news: News, Propaganda: What’s the Difference? < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8018 >	Dec 23 16:26
_doug	Sprint sued over WiMAX patent ..	Dec 23 16:27
_doug	http://www.telecomtiger.com/WiMAX_fullstory….	Dec 23 16:27
schestowitz	Is that a soft patent?	Dec 23 16:27
schestowitz	It seems like a lot of PhD students turn to activism.	Dec 23 16:27
schestowitz	This guy finished his and told me: “I knew that something was wrong when I was reading articles (falsely) claiming that the U.S. faced a “looming shortage of scientists and engineers” while Ph.D. graduates from my department[...] were having a hard time finding any work opportunity other than poorly-paid “postdocs.””	Dec 23 16:28
_doug	I assume, it’s a claim over a combination of standard techniques, the ‘invention’ being a few block diagrams ..	Dec 23 16:28
schestowitz	Is it innova~1, or extortionate?	Dec 23 16:29
schestowitz	A lot of people judge one’s work based on # of paper of patents	Dec 23 16:29
schestowitz	The assumption is that a person’s wisdom can only be measured by output like a piece of paper on a “method for..”	Dec 23 16:29
_doug	“Specifically, the complaint refers to six patents, many of which use OFDMA technology”	Dec 23 16:29
_doug	http://static.fiercemarkets.com/public/news…	Dec 23 16:30
trmanco	Sugar Labs, the nonprofit behind the OLPC software, is joining the GNOME Foundation: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-anno…	Dec 23 16:30
schestowitz	Where was it filed?	Dec 23 16:30
schestowitz	Yes, I know about Sugar	Dec 23 16:30
schestowitz	Mail Groklaw about it……. it’s AWOL ATM.	Dec 23 16:30
_doug	“U.S. Patent No. 6,904,283, titled “Multi-Carrier Communications With Group-Based	Dec 23 16:31
_doug	Subcarrier Allocation”	Dec 23 16:31
_doug	dynamically allocating subcarriers in ‘groups’, oh the innovation ..	Dec 23 16:32
_doug	gtg	Dec 23 16:32
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schestowitz	Here. Revisionism… http://www.fsdaily.com/Beginner/A_Readers_D…	Dec 23 16:47
schestowitz	That Linus guy took GNU and Minix, combined them and called it LINUX…	Dec 23 16:47
schestowitz	“About a week ago we learned that an Ecuadorian man died from injuries incurred in a beating in New York City in what authorities say may have been a hate crime. CNN reported that:” < http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/200… >	Dec 23 16:49
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Omar87	HI all	Dec 23 17:05
Omar87	Hi*	Dec 23 17:05
schestowitz	Hey, what’s up?	Dec 23 17:06
Omar87	There’s something I just don’t understand.	Dec 23 17:08
Omar87	Some of my friends that it’s okay to use .NET for an open source application.	Dec 23 17:08
trmanco	hi	Dec 23 17:09
Omar87	I just don’t understand how can that be possible.. -_-	Dec 23 17:09
trmanco	.NET	Dec 23 17:09
Omar87	trmanco: Hey, how ya doin’?	Dec 23 17:09
trmanco	it is worse than Mon0	Dec 23 17:09
Omar87	lol, of course it is.	Dec 23 17:09
trmanco	Omar87, fine and you?	Dec 23 17:09
Omar87	I’m great, thanks.	Dec 23 17:10
schestowitz	I’m writing about Mono at the moment.	Dec 23 17:10
trmanco	looks like I’m a nym on COLA now, according to a troll	Dec 23 17:10
schestowitz	I found a nice photo	Dec 23 17:10
Omar87	I just don’t understand, how can .NET be used to build an open source application..	Dec 23 17:11
trmanco	it can’t	Dec 23 17:12
trmanco	it won’t be totally open source	Dec 23 17:12
Omar87	It’s like using a bomb to plant a tree..	Dec 23 17:13
trmanco	LOL, nice comparison there	Dec 23 17:13
Omar87	It’s not only about being open source, it’s also about who owns it.	Dec 23 17:13
Omar87		Dec 23 17:14
schestowitz	Yes	Dec 23 17:16
schestowitz	Hold on, I’ll post and give you the URL.	Dec 23 17:16
Omar87	My friends don’t see any contradiction in it..	Dec 23 17:16
trmanco	that is because they don’t know the hole story	Dec 23 17:17
trmanco	or that they don’t realize that .net is controlled by monopolysoft	Dec 23 17:18
Omar87	Using proprietary tools to build Open Source thing looks exactly the same to me as using water to light a fire. Can that ever happen? I don’t think so.	Dec 23 17:19
schestowitz	trmanco: there is lots of Mono boosting out there	Dec 23 17:19
Omar87	Exactly.	Dec 23 17:19
schestowitz	Advertising that is.	Dec 23 17:19
schestowitz	Those that speak against it are attacked.	Dec 23 17:19
Omar87	The programing language is like a weapon. But when this weapon is controlled by someone else, then you are not 100% free to use it any way you like.	Dec 23 17:20
trmanco	schestowitz, yesterday I went against the idea of one liking Mono… on a portuguese linux irc channel	Dec 23 17:20
trmanco	on shouted out and told me to fuck off…	Dec 23 17:20
trmanco	one*	Dec 23 17:20
Omar87	There are actually lots of open source apps. that are written in C#, but are they really completely free? That’s the question.	Dec 23 17:21
trmanco	and also told me that I didn’t know what I was talking about, shame on how mono adverts influence a lot of people, sometimes “good” people just go “bad”	Dec 23 17:21
Omar87	trmanco: That’s intolerance.	Dec 23 17:22
trmanco	…	Dec 23 17:22
Omar87	trmanco: And that’s Fascism.	Dec 23 17:23
trmanco	I don’t care	Dec 23 17:23
trmanco	I hope he some day will have to pay to use all those mono tools	Dec 23 17:23
trmanco	or buy microsuse	Dec 23 17:23
schestowitz	Omar87: 4u: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/23/seco…	Dec 23 17:23
Omar87	schestowitz: Thanks.	Dec 23 17:23
schestowitz	Yes, fascism.	Dec 23 17:24
schestowitz	I hear that assessment a lot. Microsoft is very fascistic too.	Dec 23 17:24
trmanco	“On November 2, 2006, Microsoft and Novell announced a joint agreement whereby Microsoft agreed to not sue Novell’s customers for patent infringement.[9] According to Mono project leader Miguel de Icaza,[10] this agreement extends to Mono but only for Novell developers and customers. It was criticized by some members of the free software community because it violates the principles of giving equal rights to all users of a particular program (se	Dec 23 17:28
trmanco	e Novell and their Patent Agreement with Microsoft).”	Dec 23 17:28
schestowitz	Just published: Gates’ charitable vehicle does a lot more than just philanthropy, reveal obligatory disclosures < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/23/gates-foundatio… >	Dec 23 17:34
schestowitz	bbl	Dec 23 17:39
trmanco	ok	Dec 23 17:39
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trmanco	Microsoft Warns of Serious MS-SQL 2000 & 2005 Vulnerability: http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/12/microsoft-warn…	Dec 23 19:49
_doug	solution: declare the death penalty for writing buffer-overflows ..	Dec 23 19:50
_doug	“it doesn’t really effect home users or the general consumer, it’s a more specific server side vulnerability”	Dec 23 19:50
trmanco	LOL	Dec 23 19:50
_doug	That’s a relief, my P04n collection is safe ..	Dec 23 19:50
trmanco	the death penalty	Dec 23 19:50
_doug	yea, that would enthuse the programmers to check their code, else make a MMU that don’t get buffer-overflows ..	Dec 23 19:51
_doug	Or else move off the mono-culture, where we have the same CPU, MMU and API calls everywhere ..	Dec 23 19:52
trmanco	that would leave the security guys unemployed	Dec 23 19:52
trmanco	you know, the people who discover vulnerabilities	Dec 23 19:53
_doug	well, that would be the AV pushers ..	Dec 23 19:53
trmanco	1 part of it yeah	Dec 23 19:54
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tessier_	http://www.computerworld.com/act…	Dec 23 20:16
tessier_	Windows 7: The Linux Killer	Dec 23 20:16
trmanco	can you name a Windows version that was lighter than its antecedent?	Dec 23 20:20
trmanco		Dec 23 20:20
tessier_	WinCE	Dec 23 20:24
trmanco	well	Dec 23 20:25
trmanco	that is an embed sistema right?	Dec 23 20:25
*trmanco checks		Dec 23 20:25
tessier_	Depends. Does the EEE run an embedded system?	Dec 23 20:25
tessier_	netbooks etc	Dec 23 20:25
trmanco	it is not	Dec 23 20:25
trmanco	crap	Dec 23 20:26
trmanco	is is	Dec 23 20:26
trmanco	CE is an embed system… EEE, yes/no it really depends	Dec 23 20:27
_doug	Latest innovation ..	Dec 23 20:30
_doug	http://www.darknet.org.uk/2008/12/multiinjecto…	Dec 23 20:30
_doug	I wonder what this does ?	Dec 23 20:41
_doug	http://www [dot] steoo [dot] com/admin/win.exe	Dec 23 20:41
trmanco	feed that to a windows user	Dec 23 20:43
schestowitz	Hey, I’m back.	Dec 23 20:44
trmanco	Alan Cox is moving on from Red Hat: http://lwn.net/Articles/312631/	Dec 23 20:44
trmanco	cool	Dec 23 20:44
schestowitz	_doug: DB/SQL injections are common, not just a Microsoft thing	Dec 23 20:45
schestowitz	It’s down to programming sometimes.	Dec 23 20:45
schestowitz	The warning from Microsoft suggests Microsoft incompetence in the DB ITSELF.	Dec 23 20:45
schestowitz	WHich means that sanitizing input would save you from MS idiocy.	Dec 23 20:46
_doug	it’s down to a borked MMU unit that cant count up in integers ..	Dec 23 20:46
_doug	I’m off ..	Dec 23 20:46
schestowitz	tessier: that Gralla guy is a Windows guy and a troll. I’d rather we didn’t feed it.	Dec 23 20:47
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schestowitz	The more you feed it, the more of it he’ll do. He’s like a broken radio with Vapourware vs Linux (it’s the same stuff over and over again)	Dec 23 20:47
schestowitz	tessier: Ubuntu comes to ARM-based UMPCs…. no Windows.	Dec 23 20:48
schestowitz	Oh no! Why is Alan Cox moving to the criminal organisation???	Dec 23 20:49
schestowitz	They must have paid him handsomely.	Dec 23 20:49
MinceR	huh?	Dec 23 20:51
Tallken	http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_lin…	Dec 23 20:53
Tallken	“Alan Cox: Moving on from Red Hat” to Intel	Dec 23 20:53
Tallken	MinceR: (post text ping)	Dec 23 20:53
MinceR	well, intel isn’t that bad	Dec 23 20:54
MinceR	afaik their track record is partly evil, partly good	Dec 23 20:54
schestowitz	They bribe.	Dec 23 20:55
Tallken	MinceR: they’re like Microsoft, aggressive and do illegal stuff	Dec 23 20:55
schestowitz	They destroy a charity for profit	Dec 23 20:55
Tallken	but they do have interest in Linux	Dec 23 20:55
schestowitz	And that’s just the edge of the history	Dec 23 20:55
trmanco	Microsoft’s Search Market Share Continues To Slide: http://www.crn.com/software/212…	Dec 23 20:55
schestowitz	There’s lots more in the past like pressure tactics, threats and so on.	Dec 23 20:55
MinceR	well, i don’t know their history so well	Dec 23 20:56
schestowitz	trmanco: thanks, noted.	Dec 23 20:56
trmanco	you’re welcome	Dec 23 20:56
schestowitz	trmanco: maybe wasting billions was not ‘enough’ as an investment	Dec 23 20:56
schestowitz	MinceR: I could do a post about it	Dec 23 20:56
schestowitz	I discused this in Groklaw last year	Dec 23 20:56
trmanco	this reminds me of that mac ad	Dec 23 20:56
schestowitz	Some people told me about old things I didn’t know about and are probably too old for the press that’s on the Internet	Dec 23 20:57
trmanco	advertising, advertising, advertising … fix Live	Dec 23 20:57
schestowitz	Actually, MinceR, there was something in IRC	Dec 23 20:57
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schestowitz	See http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/15/irc…	Dec 23 20:59
schestowitz	(and onwards)	Dec 23 20:59
trmanco	Windows XP Extensions Reflect Vista’s Woe: http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operati…	Dec 23 21:01
trmanco	I like the first comment: “I’ve been using Vista since August, and have had very few problems. The bigger problem is Microsoft’s greed. Why can’t they just create an operating system, and update it as needed, instead of making people buy a whole new operating system year after year, and getting nothing but frustrated every time they try to say the next one is so much better… Its really getting annoying. Stop the Greed ! Make a system, stick to	Dec 23 21:01
trmanco	it, and improve it with free upgrades and updates…. Don’t rob us blind with minimal changes, and call it a new operating system… That’s a ripoff !”	Dec 23 21:01
schestowitz	http://toprobblob.blogspot.com/2008/06/bi…	Dec 23 21:04
trmanco	lol	Dec 23 21:05
trmanco	news features,I would say random features	Dec 23 21:05
trmanco	“We “bash” Microsoft because they make inferior, frustrating, derivative products which oftentimes feature maddening disregard for usability. We “bash” Microsoft because instead of pushing productivity forward, they usually hold it back – often in order to line their own pockets. We “bash” Microsoft because they routinely copy — poorly — and then try to pass it off as “innovation.” Microsoft made a mint on a type of tech ignorance that, thank	Dec 23 21:06
trmanco	fully is evaporating rapidly today. By the way, monopolies are not illegal – until they are abused. Ask Microsoft; they know about that one. We have no problem if a superior company making superior products achieves a “monopoly” and, rather than abusing their market position to stay in the lead, instead pushes themselves to continue to innovate and improve.”	Dec 23 21:06
trmanco	http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/commen…	Dec 23 21:06
schestowitz	Monopoly!=monopolist	Dec 23 21:07
schestowitz	Not all monopolies are also criminals, by definitions	Dec 23 21:07
trmanco	that giant quote is on that last link I’ve posted	Dec 23 21:08
trmanco	Red Hat Net Up 20%, TIBCO Net Up 17%: http://www.123jump.com/earnings-story/Red-…	Dec 23 21:11
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schestowitz	Tim Anderson is still peddling Monopolyware in The Reg: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008…	Dec 23 21:25
schestowitz	Apple ejects iBoobs < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… >	Dec 23 21:28
schestowitz	Sun… http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/2008/12/22/	Dec 23 21:36
trmanco	that iBoob thing is funny	Dec 23 21:42
trmanco	what would be its price if it had been approved? $999 USD	Dec 23 21:43
schestowitz	Multitouch iboob	Dec 23 21:44
schestowitz	It responds to gestures? Like … never mind…	Dec 23 21:44
trmanco	lol	Dec 23 21:45
schestowitz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone “…supports automatic zooming by pinching together or spreading apart fingertips on the screen, or by double-tapping..”	Dec 23 21:47
schestowitz	They talk about RMS, FSF… and OPEN SOURCE Sigh http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/open-source/ar…	Dec 23 21:49
trmanco	founded by MIT?	Dec 23 21:49
trmanco	never mind	Dec 23 21:50
schestowitz	Where??	Dec 23 21:52
trmanco	on this last link you posted	Dec 23 21:54
trmanco	“Recently, the The Free Software Foundation (FSF), founded by MIT (News – Alert) alum Richard Stallman,”	Dec 23 21:54
schestowitz	Shee ignoreance: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content…	Dec 23 21:57
schestowitz	*sheer ignorance	Dec 23 21:57
schestowitz	OH!! Haha. ” MIT………………………. (News – Alert) …………..alumni”	Dec 23 21:58
schestowitz	Sun loves OOXML …………………………………. …………………………………………………………….. ……………. like a fly in the soup	Dec 23 21:59
Tallken	schestowitz: in http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/ope… , have you noticed the ‘GLP’ license? xD	Dec 23 21:59
trmanco	oh	Dec 23 21:59
trmanco	GLP	Dec 23 21:59
*trmanco looks		Dec 23 21:59
trmanco	that just flew by, I didn’t notice	Dec 23 22:00
schestowitz	GDP	Dec 23 22:04
schestowitz	Gulp licence	Dec 23 22:04
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/15597… I just ignore it until Sun realise that snubbing GNU/Linux is making their JavaFX a weirdo-pen source.	Dec 23 22:10
trmanco	http://archives.penguinista.org/testimonial/	Dec 23 22:10
schestowitz	Very slow news day for IDG: http://www.pcworld.com/article/155969/twitter_plan…	Dec 23 22:15
schestowitz	Wow. Someone twitted.	Dec 23 22:15
schestowitz	http://www.pcworld.com/article/155949/credit_cru… Credit Crunch Takes Toll on Data Center Spending [and petrol... and hosing.. and banking... and travel.. and................]	Dec 23 22:16
tessier_	I’m tired of hearing about “open source” java.	Dec 23 22:18
tessier_	Where can I download some code, do a ./configure; make install; and then run Limewire on what results? I can’t. It’s all bullshit.	Dec 23 22:18
schestowitz	Why would they withhold it?	Dec 23 22:22
tessier_	Why does anyone withold their source?	Dec 23 22:26
tessier_	Either they think they can make more money keeping it secret or it isn’t all their source so they don’t have permission to release it.	Dec 23 22:26
schestowitz	To help those guys in Canada with their lawsuit against the govt., I’ve just sent them this information I accumulated about Canada’s funnel of Bill Gates money. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/23…	Dec 23 22:26
schestowitz	tessier: mail Simon Phipps <Simon.Phipps@Sun.COM> about it and ask him. It might push them.	Dec 23 22:27
tessier_	I don’t really care. I don’t even like Java.	Dec 23 22:28
trmanco	We Love Open Source Software. No, You Can’t Have Our Code: http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/527	Dec 23 22:28
MinceR	sounds like sun	Dec 23 22:29
tessier_	I wish we could somehow emphasize the free as in freedom bit without sounding like such zealots.	Dec 23 22:30
schestowitz	“Zealot”?? Don’t let the stigma get to you.	Dec 23 22:32
schestowitz	Were feminists zealots too?	Dec 23 22:33
schestowitz	http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/527 << sounds more like Microsoft	Dec 23 22:33
schestowitz	http://sourceforge.net/community/cca08-sponsors	Dec 23 22:35
schestowitz	I see they removed the “program in open source using Visual Basic advert/gimmick”	Dec 23 22:35
schestowitz	benJIman uses Visual Basic and takes pride in it. Well, he also uses Ballnux, so there ya go..	Dec 23 22:36
*benJIman doesn’t use visual basic.		Dec 23 22:36
schestowitz	Studio, sorry. Freudian slip	Dec 23 22:38
schestowitz	tessier: some distros ought to come with Java (the real thing) preinstalled	Dec 23 22:44
schestowitz	tessier: Schneier on 60 Minutes < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archiv… >	Dec 23 22:47
schestowitz	http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/12/18/6…	Dec 23 22:48
schestowitz	Hilarious.	Dec 23 22:50
schestowitz	“America is under attack, they are out to get us,” say the people of the security theatre people.	Dec 23 22:55
schestowitz	http://medianation.blogspot.com/2008/12/gateho… “	Dec 23 23:00
schestowitz	One thing I find interesting is that GateHouse accuses the Times Co. of trademark infringement. The argument is that readers of Boston.com’s “Your Town” pages might not realize that links to GateHouse papers such as the Newton Tab and the Needham Times actually have nothing to do with Boston.com.”	Dec 23 23:00
schestowitz	Transparency On The Bailout? Banks: No Thanks! < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081223/0006313202.shtml >	Dec 23 23:02
Tallken	ok, enlighten me, why the benJIman reference all of a sudden?	Dec 23 23:03
Tallken	(hi benJIman :p)	Dec 23 23:03
MinceR	he’s our resident microvell fanboy	Dec 23 23:04
Tallken	ya I know	Dec 23 23:04
schestowitz	http://lxer.com/module/newswire/… “Yeah Sander, I did a search on Google and everyone is linking to our post of it. Very cool.”	Dec 23 23:04
Tallken	even so, thought the reference was too cold…	Dec 23 23:05
schestowitz	Tallken: I just mentioned VS, so I was reminded of the fact that someone (who spies) here uses it	Dec 23 23:05
Tallken	ok	Dec 23 23:05
Tallken	for the record, I use as well :p on some subjects at least :p	Dec 23 23:05
schestowitz	If it’s too cold, then it’s because benJIman is not here to support or help	Dec 23 23:05
schestowitz	cj was here some day or 2 ago. He’s working for Microsoft (indirectly)	Dec 23 23:06
Tallken	cj ? I thought he was a regular participant here?	Dec 23 23:06
schestowitz	Tallken: that’s OK because you’re not pro-Novelsoft(‘s anti GPL deals)	Dec 23 23:06
schestowitz	cj? He tried coming here just to immediately have us hug Microsoft	Dec 23 23:07
schestowitz	It’s like Microsoft trying to hire Alan Cox.	Dec 23 23:07
schestowitz	Or Eric Raymond… they both told Microsoft to sod off.	Dec 23 23:07
MinceR	intel may be bad but it isn’t as bad as m$	Dec 23 23:07
schestowitz	Got this E-mail 3 hrs ago: “asking if governments could be corrupt is like asking if rain falls from the sky .. You keep upsetting some very rich and influential people. Expect two types of responses. They’ll try and discredit you, they’ll try and buy you off with paying you for pretend research ..”	Dec 23 23:08
Tallken	MinceR: there are no good guys :p there are the less evil guys :p	Dec 23 23:09
MinceR	there are good guys	Dec 23 23:09
schestowitz	FSF?	Dec 23 23:10
schestowitz	EFF are good.	Dec 23 23:10
MinceR	yes	Dec 23 23:11
MinceR	then there’s us :>	Dec 23 23:11
schestowitz	The ‘Gang’ (j/k)	Dec 23 23:12
schestowitz	http://www.courant.com/features/hc-words122… “Similarly, Larry Rosenblum of Sunnyvale, Calif., recently spotted a newspaper headline that read “Swapping Linux for Windows,” but the story described using Linux instead of Windows.””	Dec 23 23:14
schestowitz	“”To swap” means “to exchange something for something else,” so the headline should have read, “Swapping Windows for Linux.” Of course, it could also have read “Substituting Linux for Windows.””	Dec 23 23:14
schestowitz	Microsoft’s Allard: “We’re getting the gang back together.” < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-industry-mov… >	Dec 23 23:15
Tallken	hum ok ok, FSF and EFF are ok, at least for the time being	Dec 23 23:16
schestowitz	S3 S3′s New OpenGL 3.0 Linux Driver Still M.I.A. < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n… >	Dec 23 23:22
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?… “Well there goes Evolution. When Mono’s tentacles go deep enough GNOME itself will go from my desktop. If the cancer doesn’t stop there I can always migrate to BSD. But hopefully they won’t ram the *** into any of the core tech like dbus.”	Dec 23 23:40
schestowitz	http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?l… “This is typical behavior of the Ximian people (who call themselves “Novell” these days). Miguel and Nat are Microsoft shills, and I suspect that they’re both secretly on the Microsoft payroll somehow.”	Dec 23 23:41
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ganmel	Have you ever heard of “used software”?	Dec 23 23:43
ganmel	the paradox is: Why invest billions in Vista when everyone is fine with XP?	Dec 23 23:43
ganmel	It has to do with the “used software” market.	Dec 23 23:44
ganmel	http://www.usedsoft.com/en/	Dec 23 23:46
ganmel	Microsoft tries to lobby governments to avoid the resale of software.	Dec 23 23:47
ganmel	I buy a computer, install Linux on it. So I want to I sell my XP license…	Dec 23 23:47
schestowitz	Hey	Dec 23 23:47
schestowitz	They play many tricks with second-hand PCs	Dec 23 23:48
ganmel	It is the magic bullet.	Dec 23 23:48
schestowitz	It’s like with sub-notebooks. GNU/Linux gains a lot there, so they clog it up by dumping, changing rules, pressuring builders/OEMs	Dec 23 23:48
schestowitz	If you like, I can give you pointers to articles about it that I’ve accumulated	Dec 23 23:49
ganmel	cool	Dec 23 23:49
schestowitz	Ick. “..from Adobe to Microsoft to Novell, and many more as well.”	Dec 23 23:49
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schestowitz	If you need specific links, let me know.	Dec 23 23:54
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schestowitz	I have come to the conclusion that TuxMachines is the best resource for news. I told the Webmaster not to leave us stranded. She’s moving the site today.	Dec 23 23:57