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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 6th, 2009


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twitterPeople at M$ are freedom haters.Jan 06 02:45
twitterSomeone gave me a Samsung picture frame for Christmas.  It has a 480 x two hundred or so pixel display and a "Magic Pixel" MP600 chip set from China.  Anyone heard of that?Jan 06 02:48
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schestowitzWow. BN's Netcraft rank leaped to 2800th on the Web :-DJan 06 08:44
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schestowitzre NIN best selling cc-licensed music: 06 09:14
schestowitzChina Adds Search Engines To Its Censorship-By-Guilt Plan; How Will Google Respond? < >Jan 06 09:21
schestowitz"I have significant problems with any sort of compulsory licensing scheme, which basically gives the power to a tiny group of people to establish the business models and cost structures for an entire industry." < >Jan 06 09:22
schestowitzOH NO! is dead!! 06 09:25
schestowitzThey're dropping like flies... Technocrat, GL, now 06 09:26
schestowitz"For legal reasons, we can't tell you yet about what's coming -- but we're not joining forces with Microsoft or any other proprietary software company. As soon as we can tell you, you'll hear it here first."Jan 06 09:27
schestowitzDigital lockdown in Brazil proposed :-| 06 09:36
schestowitzHuman rights don't come as gifts from above but through struggle from the bottom.Jan 06 09:36
MinceRgeekingsJan 06 09:37
schestowitzWarner strangling truth: 06 09:44
schestowitzCEA: US Jobs at Risk in Free Trade Debate < >. Maybe it's time for the US to go on and 'liberate' Venezuela from democracy.. for their oil. Biden calls Chavez "a dictator" despite him b being popular in a democratic country.Jan 06 09:58
schestowitzIT Execs Are Making Less < >Jan 06 10:00
macabeHi Roy, Is there a problem with the link to the ODF pdf?Jan 06 10:10
schestowitzIt seems like their site is down.Jan 06 10:11
schestowitzIt's not responding.Jan 06 10:11
macabeOK, Thanks, will try later.Jan 06 10:11
schestowitzI thought about making a local copy at the time, but it's probably copyrighted or something (yet they try to maximise spread)Jan 06 10:12
macabeMost of the technical documents we write are in Open Document Format. There are people here at work that complainJan 06 10:15
macabeThey can't open them. I tell them to get a real Word ProcessorJan 06 10:15
schestowitzYes, it's naturalJan 06 10:16
schestowitzThere are several.Jan 06 10:16
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schestowitzMS ramble: 06 10:53
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schestowitzThat news from Brazil is worth writing about in English so that people can link to it. Uniqueness of reports counts, so maybe I'll have a go at it.Jan 06 11:21
schestowitzMOG: "SourceLabs, which had Microsoft connections despite its open source bent"Jan 06 11:25
schestowitzmoody: "Trying to access Hyperspace site ( - says "You are not authorized to view this page"" Works fine now.Jan 06 12:38
schestowitzMore Laid-Off Journos Becoming Entrepreneurs: New Model For Local News? < >Jan 06 12:43
twitterGood for journalists.  I'm sure they will be happy to compete with their former bosses and their idiotic editorial policies.  Truth is on the way.Jan 06 14:02
twitterI found some more about my little picture frame.  It's not encouraging.Jan 06 14:03
twitterThe good news is that it's ARM, as I suspected.  The bad news is that Magic Pixel does not have much information up and it's all delivered via IIS.Jan 06 14:03
twitterI don't think I'll be booting my picture frame to Debian any time soon.  That's too bad, because it has about everything needed to be a netbook - a reasonable screen, USB hook ups and SD.Jan 06 14:06
twitterIt would have been fun to wrap a flexible keyboard around the front and a mouse.Jan 06 14:06
twitterThat would make an easy netbook for less than $100.Jan 06 14:08
twitterRAM might be a little low.Jan 06 14:08
twitterGPE should be able to work it.Jan 06 14:08
twitterNifty interview.Jan 06 14:10
twitterNice Palm article wrap up from yesterday.Jan 06 14:49
twitterOne quibble though - Handspring pioneered the smart phone market with it's modules.  I think they made Treo before Palm ate them back up.  Yep, they did 06 14:52
schestowitzAye. Journalists will lose their faces. Those who like a particular journalist can now follow him/her without a restraint. Glyn Moody is where I got this link, and he's a fine example.Jan 06 14:54
schestowitzI just had a long verbal conversation about this. It was very good.Jan 06 14:55
twitter" Palm has its work cut out for it. In its most recent quarter, Palm sold 599,000 smart phones, down 13 percent from the previous year. Apple, meanwhile, sold 6.9 million iPhones in its most recent quarter, while RIM shipped 6.7 million BlackBerrys."  Ouch.Jan 06 15:03
schestowitzYes, they do pretty well those binary bricks.Jan 06 15:04
schestowitzAndroid ought to have sold a million by Xmas.Jan 06 15:04
schestowitzbblJan 06 15:11
twitterlater.  When you get back, I'd like to know a little more about site statistics, which are very interesting this year.  What's the OS breakdown?  Are the hecklers the only people using IE?Jan 06 15:14
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twitterMcGraw-Hill troubles 06 16:08
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schestowitzIt has just ocurred to me... doesn't Raven preside over 451 Group?Jan 06 17:30
schestowitzWell, one thing I wrote about before is how companies can employ as advisors analysts who do a favourJan 06 17:30
schestowitzAs in, let a study be conducted and reward with a consulting contractsJan 06 17:30
schestowitzWell, another method worth secrutiny goes like this: "Run a 'study' to prove <X>, then charge large amount of money to get a copy, and companies X with its subsiaries Y and Z will 'secure' the investment by buying copies too, thus compensating rather than sponsoring." It's a loppholeJan 06 17:32
schestowitz""McGraw-Hill Cos., the owner of the Standard & Poor’s credit-rating service, cut 375 more jobs in the fourth quarter as the market slowdown and U.S. recession erode revenue." Madoffocket couldn't have helped much.Jan 06 17:34
neighborleethis mono guys are they really think android is in anyway going to endorse their silly attempt at mono intrusion LOLJan 06 17:34
neighborlees/this/theseJan 06 17:34
neighborleegreat post btw thx for that...about current comment from M$ about mono/novel o_0Jan 06 17:35
neighborleeall this mono crud ranks right up there with burris nonsense.Jan 06 17:35
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schestowitzI reckon it won't be long before directhex breaks the silence.Jan 06 17:36
schestowitzbrbJan 06 17:36
Tallkenschestowitz, 06 17:37
Tallkenwatch the hacked feed xDJan 06 17:37
schestowitzIt hardly responds.Jan 06 17:41
Tallken4chan hacked the siteJan 06 17:41
Tallkenat least it was as they identifiedJan 06 17:41
schestowitzcracked?Jan 06 17:41
schestowitz:-)Jan 06 17:41
Tallkencracked, you're right :)Jan 06 17:42
schestowitzi hacked my sites yesterday... changed the banner.Jan 06 17:42
TallkenlolJan 06 17:42
Tallkeni know i knowJan 06 17:42
schestowitzFrom the "happy new year" one.Jan 06 17:42
DarkUraniumwellJan 06 17:42
schestowitzNot it's GNU's not LinuxJan 06 17:42
DarkUraniumTECHNICALLYJan 06 17:42
Tallkencracker malicious intent, hacker, non malicious intentJan 06 17:42
schestowitz*Now it'sJan 06 17:42
DarkUraniumthey cracked in order to hack :PJan 06 17:42
schestowitz4chan.Jan 06 17:42
DarkUraniumI hacked some bread yesterdayJan 06 17:43
DarkUraniummade some really nifty slicesJan 06 17:43
Tallkenarstechnica responde afinalJan 06 17:43
Tallkenarstechnica is answeringJan 06 17:44
TallkensorryJan 06 17:45
Tallkenwrong language :pJan 06 17:45
DarkUraniumuse Bash next time, everybody understands that :PJan 06 17:45
schestowitzWeird culture... 06 17:45
DarkUraniumor PythonJan 06 17:45
schestowitzPerl you can talk... but not understand or readJan 06 17:45
DarkUraniumehJan 06 17:46
DarkUraniumI avoid 4chan like the plagueJan 06 17:46
schestowitz 06 17:49
schestowitz"4chan's Alexa rank is generally around 1000,[10] though it has been as high as number 56 at times.[11] 4chan is one of the Internet's most trafficked imageboards, according to The Los Angeles Times.[12]"Jan 06 17:50
schestowitzCNN's language got CR4acked again:  Twitter accounts of Obama, Britney Spears hacked < >Jan 06 17:51
schestowitzMaybe they spontaneously think of "crack" of a drug or something broken, but why not?Jan 06 17:52
schestowitzWow, check out this comment from 2 mins ago: 06 17:56
schestowitzThis is the guy who left the comment in some places and created a blog too. Uses RoadRunner and apparently lost his job at MS. "Microsoft is on a witch hunt to fire employees!"Jan 06 17:57
schestowitzIn the mean time, using GNU/Linux will make it more difficult for Big Brother to search your computer. 06 17:59
DarkUraniumor better yet, unplug your LAN cable :)Jan 06 18:01
schestowitzHow long for?Jan 06 18:02
schestowitzit's like ducking when a bomb falls on one's home... Jan 06 18:02
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neighborleehehe cute one about linux and searching , gotta love it .Jan 06 18:05
schestowitzCronyism lives on. Haiti and the Dangers of ‘Responsibility to Protect’ < >. Didn't they overthrow the government some while ago to turn Hawii into a Client State?Jan 06 18:05
schestowitztwitter is insecure too... 06 18:06
schestowitzStupid MSBBC... still with the word "hackers"Jan 06 18:06
DarkUraniumwellJan 06 18:08
DarkUraniumthe book we use for learning english as school uses the word, tooJan 06 18:08
DarkUranium(not that I agree with the authors of the book, just saying)Jan 06 18:09
schestowitzShooting the messenger: 06 18:11
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schestowitzIDG News Service also wrongly says "hackers" 06 18:39
schestowitzHere's how you know the holidays are over: Mouse-maker Logitech to Cut 525 Salaried Employees < >Jan 06 18:39
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MinceRstrange, i _can_ read and understand perlJan 06 18:44
schestowitzSome people say they can't. I just mostly use it and can figure out some syntax.Jan 06 18:44
MinceRwhat i can't read is lisp.Jan 06 18:45
schestowitzPC World is doing lots of advertisements-as-articles today.Jan 06 18:45
schestowitzCan you read lipsJan 06 18:46
MinceRwell, it's idgJan 06 18:46
MinceRi was too late to see the hacked site :/Jan 06 18:47
twitterHmm, that comment is exactly the same text from the blog you linked to a while back.  Where did you get that link?Jan 06 18:54
twitter 06 18:55
schestowitzDavid posted it.Jan 06 18:55
schestowitzIn the comments...Jan 06 18:55
twitterIt makes sense but it's suspicious.  There's no way to verify it.Jan 06 18:59
twitterunless you email the authorJan 06 18:59
twitterAccording to this, 06 19:00
twitterit's legal for UK police to enter your house without a warrant.Jan 06 19:00
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twitteris that true?Jan 06 19:00
benJImanIf you let them in.Jan 06 19:01
benJImanI'm not sure if the "placing a key logger" also comes under the things they could do without a warrant if the legislation is passed.Jan 06 19:03
schestowitzOf if you use Windows/MacJan 06 19:03
benJImanBecause compromising a badly set up linux machine is so much more difficult than windows ^,^Jan 06 19:03
schestowitzbenJIman: in Germany they want/ed to preinstall spywareJan 06 19:04
schestowitzThe RIAA too wants this for its own purpose. To an extent , they already establish this by conspiring with Microsoft|Apple.Jan 06 19:04
twitterThe story has this "Richard Clayton, a researcher at Cambridge University’s computer laboratory, said that remote searches had been possible since 1994, although they were very rare. An amendment to the Computer Misuse Act 1990 made hacking legal if it was authorised and carried out by the state.  He said the authorities could break into a suspect’s home or office and insert a “key-logging” device into an individual’s coJan 06 19:05
schestowitzGNU/Linux keeps good record of suspicious activities.Jan 06 19:05
twitterIs Clayton full of beans or not?Jan 06 19:05
benJImantwitter: remote searches does not mean entering your house.Jan 06 19:05
schestowitzLogging mechanisms and all. Maybe Vista and its forensics BS (antifeatures) can do that too, I dunno.Jan 06 19:05
benJImanAs far as I am aware police are not allowed to enter your residence unless you let them inJan 06 19:06
benJImanWithout a warrantJan 06 19:06
benJImanThat might change with this legislation though, I havn't read the exact wording.Jan 06 19:06
schestowitzThey'll surely use the "T" word to pass itJan 06 19:06
schestowitzThis is stupid: not only is this expensive, but it's also small and it slides rather than folds: 06 19:10
schestowitzWhy is the press NOT cover this major news??? 06 19:11
schestowitz*covering (in English)Jan 06 19:11
schestowitz"On January 5, 2009, that happened. Muglia is now President of Server and Tools (not of the overall Windows business, as I had speculated originally). The other two Microsoft presidents are Robbie Bach, President of Microsoft’s Entertainment and Devices unit, and Stephen Elop, President of Microsoft’s Business Division." 06 19:16
schestowitzHe's a bad guy. Rude.Jan 06 19:16
twitterFolding would make more sense for a dual screen monster.  It would be nice to have a small, power efficient screen for PDA like operation that can be folded around for dual screen work when you want a keyboard.Jan 06 19:22
twitterThe smaller screen on the outside would also create a place to rest your hand while you pen.Jan 06 19:23
schestowitzGuess what? An anti-ODF moles has just been hired by MS.Jan 06 19:23
schestowitzIs hAl next?Jan 06 19:23
twitterWhich anti-ODF mole?Jan 06 19:24
schestowitzI'll do a post about it.Jan 06 19:24
schestowitz and "Gang" tooJan 06 19:24
schestowitzBurton Gr^H^H^H^HANGJan 06 19:24
schestowitzFSFE wants $$$ (or euros) 06 19:27
schestowitzMajor security problem for Twitter <>Jan 06 19:28
schestowitzOver a year ago, Moglen confronted Tim ORLY, saying this whole Web hype would explode, potentially due to issues like this.Jan 06 19:28
twitterIsrael asks people to join a botnet to help their war effort 06 19:29
schestowitzDisgusting. 06 19:30
schestowitzIt'll be interesting to see if cyberwars like the ones in east Europe will strike the US again.Jan 06 19:30
schestowitzI think it was China which almost brought DNS down some 1-2 years ago (I think Xmas of 206)Jan 06 19:30
schestowitzAt least you see there are some pro-peace anti-war protesters out there.Jan 06 19:31
schestowitzBack in the early 60s there were noneJan 06 19:31
twitterCoincidently, the take away message from M$ hiring O'Kelly is that M$'s propaganda war will pick up as they fire other employees.Jan 06 19:32
schestowitzThe slaughtering of Vietnam (about 4-5 million) went on without much resistance. Even labour union and women right activists were suppressed.Jan 06 19:32
schestowitztwitter: yes, they hire people who run propganda firstJan 06 19:33
schestowitzThey 'reward' them.Jan 06 19:33
schestowitzWait until they try hiring Patrick Durusau (spelling)Jan 06 19:33
twitterSo they will fire the worker bees that make the place go and be even less capable of extracting themselves from their technical follies.  Louder and suckier all the time.Jan 06 19:40
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schestowitzI'm doing a good post about it ATM.Jan 06 19:55
schestowitzzoobab: did Dough Mahugh get hired /after/ promoting their technologies?Jan 06 20:06
schestowitz*DougJan 06 20:06
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twitter 06 20:23
twitterThis may be the reason for the rise of BN.  Novell is the next SCO.Jan 06 20:24
twitterbblJan 06 20:24
schestowitz"Andy Updegrove posts his own newspicks, as does Roy Shestowitz at BoycottJan 06 20:34
schestowitzNovell. And where does SJVN work these days?"Jan 06 20:34
schestowitz"PJ needs to reconsider, there are a lot better, professional resources forJan 06 20:35
schestowitz"archiving" such information, lots of alternatives exist. But GLJan 06 20:35
schestowitzshould also reconsider not covering other things, unless this was just a hobby,Jan 06 20:35
schestowitzand if it was, it's done now.Jan 06 20:35
schestowitzI'll miss the good times, but I won't necessarily miss the site, as strange asJan 06 20:35
schestowitzthat sounds after all these years. I notice the IRC channel has been dead forJan 06 20:35
schestowitzpractically ever as well (which is sorta typical).Jan 06 20:35
schestowitzSo I wish good luck, I say goodbye, and whatever happens happens, it was sortaJan 06 20:35
schestowitznice knowing you all."Jan 06 20:35
schestowitzCr*p. First Bruce Perens... Linux Journal is quiet. froze and now Groklaw. WTF?Jan 06 20:36
schestowitzIt has been strange not sending New Picks to Groklaw anymore after 3 years... I hope she changes her mind.Jan 06 20:51
tessier_She's already done a lot. Let her move on.Jan 06 20:52
tessier_Someone elses turn.Jan 06 20:52
schestowitzAndy spoke to me about itJan 06 20:52
schestowitzThat's how I knew in advance.Jan 06 20:52
tessier_Who is Andy?Jan 06 20:53
schestowitzUpdegrove. Standards guy.Jan 06 20:54
schestowitzBut also a law person, sort of like PJ..Jan 06 20:54
tessier_ohJan 06 20:55
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schestowitz (America's Army 3.0 "May Return" To Linux). Are the Linux aficionados not worth the military brainwash?Jan 06 20:59
tessier_I think America's Army is a brilliant concept.Jan 06 21:01
tessier_Someone has to be a soldier.Jan 06 21:01
schestowitzI've hardly posted anything in BN today (just two posts) and we get like 3GB in traffic, so it might be related to GL. That's what I was told anyway.Jan 06 21:01
schestowitztessier: making people militants is a Bad Idea.Jan 06 21:02
trmancoit is just a gameJan 06 21:02
schestowitzIt's not as though America fights a war of survival. It mostly fights to turn countries into client states of the corporcracy that runs both major parties (McBama)Jan 06 21:03
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schestowitzWeee ...Building A Linux Computer: Part 4 - Installing The OS < >Jan 06 21:04
tessier_schestowitz: It doesn't make people militants.Jan 06 21:05
tessier_schestowitz: America doesn't want to get to the point of having to fight a war of survival.Jan 06 21:05
schestowitzPrevention through violence?Jan 06 21:05
tessier_You didn't like Bush and you don't like Obama?Jan 06 21:05
schestowitzI like ObamaJan 06 21:05
schestowitzBut he's surrounded by the old croniesJan 06 21:06
schestowitzBiden for starters. Then the staffer of the White House... both of whom strongly support the invasion of IraqJan 06 21:06
tessier_I really don't understand why more of the hard core cynics don't off themselves.Jan 06 21:06
tessier_How can anyone enjoy living in a world where conspiracy lurks behind every door?Jan 06 21:07
schestowitzoff?Jan 06 21:07
schestowitzThere is no "conspiracy"Jan 06 21:07
schestowitzIn this case, it is a simple fact about spoken policies.Jan 06 21:07
schestowitzBiden is also a lobbyist (or henchman at the least) for the MPAA/RIAA. This is well documentedJan 06 21:07
schestowitzSpeaking of which, from today's news: (Obama Appoints Former RIAA Lawyer To Associate Attorney General)Jan 06 21:08
tessier_Lawyers change sides like the wind.Jan 06 21:08
schestowitzI know.Jan 06 21:08
schestowitzBut the paymasters remainJan 06 21:09
schestowitzPeople voted for charactersJan 06 21:09
schestowitzNot for policiesJan 06 21:09
tessier_I didn't.Jan 06 21:09
schestowitzPolicies were hardly advertised in the elections -- not the ones that /matter/Jan 06 21:09
schestowitzSo people votes based on criteria like, "who would you rather hang out with in a bar?"Jan 06 21:09
schestowitzOne of our IRCers has just had this published: 06 21:11
schestowitz (CORE Shills Still Pushing for Drill, Baby, Drill)Jan 06 21:15
schestowitzGNU/Linux comes before Apple at IBM: "Symphony, which was introduced by IBM in September 2007, is already available for Windows and Linux PCs."Jan 06 21:21
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schestowitzHey, seller_liar Jan 06 21:21
schestowitzDo you know the guys from 4Linux?Jan 06 21:21
seller_liarhello royJan 06 21:21
seller_liarNoJan 06 21:21
seller_liarM$ nightmare sparkJan 06 21:22
schestowitzI've been digging up videos from Brazil recently.Jan 06 21:22
seller_liar 06 21:22
schestowitzBizspreak?Jan 06 21:22
schestowitzAddictionwareJan 06 21:22
seller_liarfree drugware for universitiesJan 06 21:22
schestowitzThey fight Linux.Jan 06 21:22
schestowitzI know.Jan 06 21:22
schestowitz 06 21:22
schestowitzThat's not new and the press incompetently covers this without mentioning what th real intent (fight FOSS) and harms are(lockin)Jan 06 21:23
seller_liarNovell-m4 sponsorsJan 06 21:24
seller_liar 06 21:24
*schestowitz looksJan 06 21:24
schestowitzHow can we inform about Biz/DreamSpark?Jan 06 21:24
schestowitzOT: Digital Gangster Takes Credit for Twitter Hacks < >Jan 06 21:24
schestowitz"Digital Gangster" they're called... I know another company that could be called that.Jan 06 21:25
schestowitzre: Novell... of course they'd sponsor it. Mono is a Novell projectJan 06 21:26
seller_liarWe must put a lot of links to free IDE toolsJan 06 21:26
schestowitzBut how?Jan 06 21:26
schestowitzWe're not advertising.Jan 06 21:26
seller_liarLinks for netbeansJan 06 21:26
schestowitzI don't like these pseudo-free Sun tools.Jan 06 21:26
seller_liarI know , but criticise bizspark and recommends free IDE tools and good docasJan 06 21:26
seller_liarKdevelop ,eclipse maybeJan 06 21:27
schestowitzseller_liar: I already have,Jan 06 21:27
seller_liarEric4 python is very goodJan 06 21:27
schestowitz 06 21:27
schestowitzAlso 06 21:28
schestowitzIt's down for corruptible suits in universities to decide on IDEs... students are 'side effects'Jan 06 21:29
schestowitzGiven the ugliness of EDGI (have you seen it, seller_liar?), it's bound to be stopped if the regulatory bodies step in.Jan 06 21:29
seller_liarSorry ,I don t see a lot of new at momentJan 06 21:30
seller_liarbut is very good ,Boycottnovell  has lot of commentsJan 06 21:30
seller_liarAnd jo is goneJan 06 21:31
seller_liarWho is jo shields?Jan 06 21:32
schestowitzAmazing: Model Suing Google Over Vicious Blog Post < >Jan 06 21:32
schestowitz"Ooooh! Mommy! Someone sez those bad things about me and some search engine... well, serves results.. so let's sue Google"Jan 06 21:32
schestowitzEDGI is relevant to Brazil.Jan 06 21:33
schestowitzMust read (the memo below): 06 21:33
seller_liarschestowitz: Stupid anoxeric modelJan 06 21:34
seller_liarschestowitz: Please don t look my skeleton in googleJan 06 21:34
seller_liarschestowitz: A ObsewrvationJan 06 21:38
seller_liarschestowitz: NightmareSpark is in Brazil now, not only in IndiaJan 06 21:38
schestowitzWSJ's End of Wall Street: Don't Order The Tombstone Just Yet < >Jan 06 21:38
schestowitzThe Biggest Ponzi Scheme of Them All < >Jan 06 21:39
schestowitzseller_liar: it's in many countries. The Philippines for instance...Jan 06 21:39
schestowitzAt a broader scale, it expands an electronic colonialism with dependence on Microsoft for another generationJan 06 21:39
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seller_liarschestowitz: Mainly in poor countries, where every "donation" is considered good willJan 06 21:40
schestowitzre: EDGI (new): "The Oligarchal Governments will happily join the others on Ballmer's knee. "Jan 06 21:40
seller_liarschestowitz: This is sadJan 06 21:40
schestowitzDonations don't come from companyJan 06 21:40
schestowitzThat's not their natureJan 06 21:40
schestowitzInvestors made businesses a very seflish entitiyJan 06 21:41
schestowitzDoing good is important.. when the cameras are on, so to speakJan 06 21:41
schestowitzIn fact, companies are trained to play the goodwill/PR thing... they are taught that "if you don't occasionally do something good, then people we realise we're up to no good"Jan 06 21:42
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schestowitzBut that goes back to the dawn of the era of these franchises.Jan 06 21:42
schestowitzAbout 100 years ago, if not more, at least in the USJan 06 21:42
schestowitzIt was characterised as bad communism by the Conservatives.Jan 06 21:42
schestowitzAnd the issue is that people use to presss to fool people, and people are indeed being fooled easilyJan 06 21:43
seller_liarschestowitz:It's a complete brainwashing , people say "free software is communism"Jan 06 21:43
schestowitzYou mentioned that sentimental blackmail stuff Microsoft does in BrAZIL (That was about a month ago... with handicapped people)... here you have another exampel.Jan 06 21:43
seller_liarschestowitz: and in fact m$ is the only communistJan 06 21:43
schestowitzYes, because of perceptionJan 06 21:43
schestowitzJust like the US says other countries are undemocraticJan 06 21:43
schestowitzAs an excuse to liberating them or overthrowing the govt with military coos that they fund and supportJan 06 21:44
schestowitzTake Chavez for exampel.Jan 06 21:44
schestowitzThe US is terrified of himJan 06 21:44
schestowitzHe no longer plays the puppet of the USJan 06 21:44
schestowitzBut he's more popular than any US presidentJan 06 21:44
schestowitzHis country also appears far more democratic than the USJan 06 21:45
schestowitzBut he doesn't give them oil, of which Venezuela has plentyJan 06 21:45
seller_liaryes , but  the corruption is very highJan 06 21:45
schestowitzThis also spreads similar regimes in Latin/south America.Jan 06 21:45
schestowitzBolivia for example.Jan 06 21:45
seller_liarschestowitz: and rich people don t go to jailJan 06 21:45
schestowitzSo they daemonise the leaders who are not croniesJan 06 21:45
schestowitzBiden called Chavez "a dictator"Jan 06 21:46
schestowitzRich people can't go to jailJan 06 21:46
schestowitzThe police is funded by the governmentJan 06 21:46
schestowitzThe government is run by rich peolleJan 06 21:46
schestowitzBail is an example of a lopphole they can create for themselves.Jan 06 21:46
schestowitzOther things are trade agreements, privacy peripheries, etc.Jan 06 21:46
schestowitzSo Microsoft can commit its crimes (such as malicious collusions) in secrecy , as it so often does.Jan 06 21:47
seller_liarschestowitz: Bail is a intentional bug in systemJan 06 21:47
schestowitzyesJan 06 21:47
schestowitzGot money? Get a free ticket to crimeJan 06 21:47
schestowitzWhite-collar crime is neglectedJan 06 21:48
schestowitzSee the Ponzi scheme article above.Jan 06 21:48
schestowitzInstead they aim for shopliftersJan 06 21:48
seller_liarschestowitz: Yes ,I will seeeJan 06 21:48
schestowitzFunnily enough, shoplifeting is an artifact of ruined states where the damage is done by the very same people who bemoan it.Jan 06 21:48
*zephyos ( has left #boycottnovellJan 06 21:49
schestowitzAs if to say, one rich person spit on the homeless on the pavement, which in fact it may be the unjust system  created and defended that the rich man created to leave a trail of piss-poor people.Jan 06 21:49
schestowitzPeople=nations sometimes. Matter of scale..Jan 06 21:50
seller_liarschestowitz: the big problem is the medium classJan 06 21:50
schestowitzDoes it exist?Jan 06 21:50
seller_liarschestowitz: yesJan 06 21:50
seller_liarschestowitz: for exampleJan 06 21:50
seller_liarschestowitz: Only ther medium class can change somethingJan 06 21:50
schestowitzIn free markets, few thrives at the expense of all else. Without regul;ation, the middle tied either falls or gets devours (assimilated) by the topJan 06 21:51
seller_liarschestowitz: Because is the only class which have resources to do somethingJan 06 21:51
schestowitzNot rally.Jan 06 21:51
schestowitz*ReallyJan 06 21:51
schestowitzThere is activism tooJan 06 21:51
schestowitzResources are sometimes just needed for banners to take to the streetsJan 06 21:51
seller_liarschestowitz: But the medium class loses all resources buying productsJan 06 21:52
schestowitzIf you can produce billboards and the country does not suppress free speech (blogs have become popular), then here you have a fighting chanceJan 06 21:52
schestowitzseller_liar: due to brainwash, yes.Jan 06 21:52
seller_liarschestowitz: luxury productsJan 06 21:52
schestowitzIncrease in spendings gets the pyramid fed (bottom to top)Jan 06 21:52
schestowitzThis assume capitalism that's predatory anywayJan 06 21:53
seller_liarschestowitz: people waste all money in Crapple Iphone, windows, wii and all otherJan 06 21:53
schestowitz*assumedJan 06 21:53
schestowitzWhose money?Jan 06 21:53
schestowitzChina?Jan 06 21:53
schestowitzThey live n borrowed timeJan 06 21:53
schestowitzAll they 'export' is what...? Even the UK is no longer self sufficientJan 06 21:53
schestowitzAll the government seems to do is print money and patents.Jan 06 21:53
schestowitzImaginary propertyJan 06 21:54
schestowitz"Former World Bank economist Herman Daly wrote a vivid piece on the subject of the Ponzi economy back in October, entitled The Disconnection Between Financial Assets and Real Asssets" 06 21:54
seller_liarschestowitz: The only  way to stop the capitalism is learn  ethics in a FORCED wayJan 06 21:54
seller_liarseller_liar: andJan 06 21:54
seller_liarschestowitz: andJan 06 21:54
schestowitzBrazil grows beans; US grows monopoly of consumtpionJan 06 21:54
seller_liarschestowitz: And stop our structuresJan 06 21:55
schestowitzWhch ones?Jan 06 21:55
seller_liarschestowitz: The intersting thing is all developed countries throws the debit to third world countriesJan 06 21:55
schestowitzDebit or debt?Jan 06 21:56
seller_liarschestowitz:McDonalds ,nike and others explores poor countries to pay the debit odofJan 06 21:56
seller_liarofJan 06 21:56
seller_liardeveloped countriesJan 06 21:56
seller_liarschestowitz: We need to stop to produce more and more and more every timeJan 06 21:57
schestowitzAnd then what?Jan 06 21:57
schestowitzBrazil says: we need people to buy crops.Jan 06 21:57
schestowitzUS says: we do them a favour by buying (for mere pennies)Jan 06 21:58
seller_liarschestowitz: this eternal consumism is anticapitalistJan 06 21:58
schestowitzSame excuses are told by sweat shops that run factories (wage slavery) in AsiaJan 06 21:58
schestowitz"We do them a favour... otherwise they would be poor and hungry"Jan 06 21:58
schestowitzThe solution is in removing these conditions that lead to this situationJan 06 21:58
seller_liarschestowitz: Every company tries to be the only one company in the worldJan 06 21:59
schestowitzIn the case of financial strangulation in Central American, the US can make life miserable for the citizens in order for them to come begging for the north and get rid of the govt.Jan 06 21:59
seller_liarschestowitz: Some companies tries to force chinese people to eat breadsJan 06 21:59
schestowitzYes.Jan 06 21:59
schestowitzThat's why it's inherently problematicJan 06 21:59
seller_liarschestowitz: Only for more profitJan 06 21:59
schestowitzBut big companies like the oil companies are too powerful to dismantle now.Jan 06 22:00
seller_liarschestowitz: Companies tries to create homogenizationJan 06 22:00
schestowitzThey are like monsters that are a country within a country. Their trained-for goal is to exploit, although they'll deny or beautify it.Jan 06 22:00
schestowitzWell, another issue is this..Jan 06 22:00
seller_liarschestowitz: And this is anticapitalistJan 06 22:00
seller_liarschestowitz: I know ,butJan 06 22:01
schestowitzThe aspiration for maximisation is the road to ending mankind.Jan 06 22:01
schestowitzThis has suppositions about the world being an infinite garbage dumpJan 06 22:01
schestowitzIf it comes to worst, then climate disaster strikes and emotes to the point where lethal weapons can be used against aggressors or exploitersJan 06 22:01
seller_liarschestowitz: the medium class is the problemJan 06 22:02
seller_liarschestowitz: Tell me 3 people which likes of greenpeaceJan 06 22:02
schestowitzThey are not likedJan 06 22:02
seller_liarschestowitz: Medium class is very stupid about ethicsJan 06 22:02
schestowitzI like them, but a biologist professor I know doesn't like themJan 06 22:02
schestowitzThey perceive them as troublemakersJan 06 22:02
schestowitzThose, welll.... 'That who stands in the way of Mighty Buck Shalt be perceived as enemy of human"Jan 06 22:03
seller_liarschestowitz:The only way to stop the the destruction is destroy the will of powerJan 06 22:03
seller_liarschestowitz: and love the ethicsJan 06 22:03
seller_liarseller_liar: We don t need more and more powerJan 06 22:03
schestowitzBut it's not in the curriculum.Jan 06 22:04
schestowitzNot in mine, either.Jan 06 22:04
seller_liarschestowitz: We don t need more and more powerJan 06 22:04
schestowitzSchools don't teach ethics.Jan 06 22:04
schestowitzNeither do the outside activies like watching TC.Jan 06 22:04
schestowitz*TVJan 06 22:04
schestowitzseller_liar: you oppose human instictsJan 06 22:04
seller_liarschestowitz: NoJan 06 22:04
seller_liarschestowitz: Human likes power ,of courseJan 06 22:04
schestowitzRegularisation phase like a world war often is the only think stopping it.Jan 06 22:05
schestowitzIt would be fine had we not had sophisticated weaponryJan 06 22:05
schestowitzWoMDJan 06 22:05
seller_liarschestowitz: But if  power is very high, the power corrupts the humanJan 06 22:05
schestowitzYesJan 06 22:05
schestowitzHubris sinsJan 06 22:05
schestowitzGreek culture (mythology) saw this and made it a crime, IIRCJan 06 22:05
schestowitzOr sin of the highest kindJan 06 22:06
schestowitz""I'm going to f---ing bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to f---ing kill Google." [Sydney Morning Herald]Jan 06 22:06
seller_liarschestowitz:Some people believe which only power is the solutionJan 06 22:06
seller_liarschestowitz:Jan 06 22:06
seller_liarschestowitz: "Oh , we need more computers for help the societyJan 06 22:06
schestowitzhHe.Jan 06 22:07
schestowitzSounds like Gates... as long as they run WindowsJan 06 22:07
schestowitzI have lots of quotes about this BSJan 06 22:07
seller_liarschestowitz: More power is not the solutionJan 06 22:07
schestowitz"Gentle capitalism"Jan 06 22:07
seller_liarschestowitz: More power means more destructionJan 06 22:07
trmanco 06 22:07
schestowitzSays the man who schemes to vandalise ACPI, break standards, and so on..Jan 06 22:07
trmancoand greater responsibilityJan 06 22:07
seller_liarschestowitz: The only way to save people is ethicsJan 06 22:08
schestowitzGood luck with that.Jan 06 22:08
schestowitztrmanco: thanks, I know.Jan 06 22:08
schestowitzIBM is not muchly needed anywayJan 06 22:08
schestowitz"A post on the Alliance’s Web site said the company may cut 16,000 jobs, which would top the 15,600 eliminated by Chief Executive Officer Sam Palmisano in 2002."Jan 06 22:08
seller_liarschestowitz: Sometimes IBM worries meJan 06 22:09
schestowitzDon't shout at your disk drives, warns Sun engineer < >Jan 06 22:10
schestowitzIBM promotes Linux in BrazilJan 06 22:10
seller_liarschestowitz: IT's very huge ,and if m$ fails ,probably IBM can Buy m$Jan 06 22:10
schestowitzBut for self gain of courseJan 06 22:10
schestowitzYes, or Google... some day in the futureJan 06 22:10
MinceRibm doesn't care enough about pcs to consider buying m$Jan 06 22:10
MinceRthey still don't see the potential in the platformJan 06 22:10
seller_liarschestowitz: IBM someday can force people to live in a matrix lifeJan 06 22:10
schestowitzBuy a failed MS? What for? The patents?Jan 06 22:10
MinceRto end the sufferingJan 06 22:11
seller_liarschestowitz: using z mainframes and high techJan 06 22:11
schestowitzHeh.Jan 06 22:11
MinceRlet the industry recover much more quicklyJan 06 22:11
MinceRand reap the rewardsJan 06 22:11
schestowitzIBM needs to be watched, of course.Jan 06 22:11
seller_liar 06 22:11
schestowitzThe BillG dude also called them the worst nightmare he has... in 2006Jan 06 22:11
schestowitz[not in these words]Jan 06 22:11
MinceRi think ibm is too inept to do anything really bad :>Jan 06 22:11
schestowitzGood findJan 06 22:12
schestowitzI might have covered this befoire.Jan 06 22:12
seller_liarMinceR: hahha, 110 bilion????Jan 06 22:12
seller_liarMinceR: IBM needs moreJan 06 22:12
seller_liarschestowitz: Don t worry roy , probably Obama will change nothingJan 06 22:14
schestowitzIs Vincent Danen the guy who previously flogged .NET/Mono? 06 22:14
schestowitzseller_liar: do you remember? You confronted some guy, IIRC... maybe the same guy?Jan 06 22:14
schestowitzseller_liar: he'll change /some/ things.. like the branding of the governmentJan 06 22:14
schestowitzWelcome to... "The Obama(R) Brand"... now with extra unity, hope, change.Jan 06 22:15
seller_liarschestowitz:hehehJan 06 22:15
seller_liarschestowitz: An interesting thing is the Microsoft visiting poor countries to sell wwindowsJan 06 22:17
seller_liarschestowitz: In 2002 it was rareJan 06 22:18
schestowitzNow they have some wEDGIs to pullJan 06 22:18
schestowitzThey also have that Brazilian firm that charges 3000x the cost of counterfeited software if they don't like your companyJan 06 22:19
schestowitzIt's a Microsoft front groupJan 06 22:19
schestowitzLike the Brazilian BSA equivalent. Russia has one too.Jan 06 22:19
seller_liarschestowitz: You know the name?Jan 06 22:19
seller_liarschestowitz: Ah , ABESJan 06 22:19
schestowitzHehe: 06 22:20
schestowitzYes, that's the oneJan 06 22:20
schestowitzABES.Jan 06 22:20
schestowitzI saw the interview where he talks about itJan 06 22:21
schestowitzSo now they have legalised dumpware.... to stifle migrations to Libre softwareJan 06 22:21
schestowitzsoftware libreJan 06 22:21
seller_liarschestowitz: In the Brazilian capital, m $ office offers free for the governmentJan 06 22:23
seller_liarschestowitz: Even them using OpenOfficeJan 06 22:23
schestowitzEDGIJan 06 22:23
schestowitzThey target competitionJan 06 22:23
schestowitzThey try to suffocate competitionJan 06 22:23
schestowitzStarOffice also.Jan 06 22:23
schestowitzSun ought to complain somehowJan 06 22:24
schestowitzBut this is inherently what the broken system permits... like pulling a NetscapeJan 06 22:24
seller_liarschestowitz: Sun does not have many representatives hereJan 06 22:24
schestowitzGranted, this system is now collapsing, so there you go..Jan 06 22:24
schestowitzIBM has that Avi Alkalai guyJan 06 22:25
schestowitzThey also have a Linux lab/.centre, IIRCJan 06 22:25
schestowitzAt least one.Jan 06 22:25
seller_liarschestowitz: People complain of openofficeJan 06 22:25
schestowitzA New Year Brings A New NVClock Beta < >Jan 06 22:25
schestowitzseller_liar: why complain?Jan 06 22:25
seller_liarschestowitz: but the ibm even opens the source code of the LotusJan 06 22:26
schestowitzBecause the shcool teaches MSO?Jan 06 22:26
schestowitzOr because the file formats from Microsoft are a PITA?Jan 06 22:26
schestowitzseller_liar: it does [ibm]?Jan 06 22:26
seller_liarschestowitz: But the sun was the only one to launch the OpenOfficeJan 06 22:26
schestowitzThere are requests for it, but it's non-libre.Jan 06 22:26
seller_liarschestowitz: IBM never release a openSouce VersionJan 06 22:26
schestowitzEclipseJan 06 22:27
seller_liarschestowitz: And IBM is larger than 20 x SunJan 06 22:27
seller_liarschestowitz: A sun lancou on NetBeansJan 06 22:27
schestowitzChi Wong goes wonky for a change... ... once again echoing the Big Lies about Web statsJan 06 22:27
seller_liarschestowitz: Sun releases netbeansJan 06 22:27
schestowitzJust x20?Jan 06 22:27
schestowitzSun is shrinking.Jan 06 22:27
seller_liarschestowitz: This is very sadJan 06 22:27
seller_liarschestowitz: We need more companies/Jan 06 22:28
schestowitzEmployees 386,558 06 22:28
schestowitzThat's like 4 times what Microsoft will soon haveJan 06 22:28
seller_liarschestowitz: We can not leave the IBM aloneJan 06 22:28
schestowitzNovell is # 4,000Jan 06 22:28
schestowitzDown from 12kJan 06 22:28
seller_liarschestowitz: Why IBM is so great?Jan 06 22:28
schestowitz /s/#/@/Jan 06 22:28
seller_liarschestowitz: sooryJan 06 22:29
schestowitzIt's not greatJan 06 22:29
schestowitzBig you mean?Jan 06 22:29
seller_liarschestowitz: BIG?Jan 06 22:29
seller_liarseller_liar: yesJan 06 22:29
seller_liarschestowitz: yesJan 06 22:29
schestowitzThey are Big BlueJan 06 22:29
schestowitzThe US government's IT brainJan 06 22:29
schestowitzLike a franchiseJan 06 22:29
seller_liarschestowitz: I believe that it sells its mainframes dearlyJan 06 22:29
schestowitzThey even helped the NazisJan 06 22:29
seller_liarschestowitz: Hitler, big beastJan 06 22:29
schestowitzThey did business with the,Jan 06 22:30
schestowitzYou know, it's $$Jan 06 22:30
schestowitzEthics? Naaa... that doesn't payJan 06 22:30
schestowitzSame story now...Jan 06 22:30
schestowitzMicrosoft, Yahoo and maybe Google with the CHinese govt.Jan 06 22:30
seller_liarschestowitz: I believe they sell the high price the MainframeJan 06 22:30
schestowitzFuny thing is..Jan 06 22:30
schestowitzIn 2007 in a Forbes interview (IIRC), Gates was asked about helping this country against its citizens.Jan 06 22:30
schestowitzThe interviewer (Fitzpatrick, I think), said he paused and could not answer... then he said he did not want to respons to the QJan 06 22:31
schestowitz*respondJan 06 22:31
schestowitzMainframe=LinuxJan 06 22:31
schestowitzThat's why they invest in "Liiiinux"Jan 06 22:31
schestowitzNot GNUJan 06 22:31
schestowitzJust LinusJan 06 22:31
schestowitzLinuxJan 06 22:31
seller_liarschestowitz: Linus is very stupid sometimes, ted tso tambémJan 06 22:32
MinceRor they mean GNU/Linux when they say LinuxJan 06 22:32
MinceRlike a lot of peopleJan 06 22:32
schestowitzFree labour... pooled debugging efforts, good PRJan 06 22:32
schestowitzMinceR: they sponsor the FSF too, IIRCJan 06 22:32
seller_liarschestowitz: That is why I like the OpenSolarisJan 06 22:32
seller_liarschestowitz: OpenSolaris brings homogenizationJan 06 22:32
schestowitzNews: Debian 5 release approaches... binary blobs included < >Jan 06 22:32
seller_liarschestowitz: sorryJan 06 22:32
schestowitzTso=Linus of the StatesJan 06 22:33
seller_liarschestowitz: HeterogenizaçãoJan 06 22:33
schestowitzThey are closeJan 06 22:33
schestowitzLinus has surrounded himself by some yes menJan 06 22:33
seller_liarschestowitz: The Linus wins?Jan 06 22:33
seller_liarschestowitz: SorryJan 06 22:33
schestowitzJust watch the response to GPLv3. They didn't read the bloody thing, but they said "no" just because Torvalds did.Jan 06 22:33
seller_liarschestowitz: How much linus receives?Jan 06 22:33
schestowitzI don't know.Jan 06 22:34
schestowitzHe has a nice villa though.Jan 06 22:34
seller_liarschestowitz: I don like , he have a lot of kidsJan 06 22:34
seller_liarschestowitz: This is very repetitive example of american lifeJan 06 22:34
schestowitzI can't find the video of his houseJan 06 22:34
schestowitzit's on Google Video somewhere.Jan 06 22:35
schestowitzOne-hour shopwJan 06 22:35
schestowitzFrom Finland, I think.Jan 06 22:35
schestowitzI think he has just 2 girls.Jan 06 22:35
schestowitzLet's check.Jan 06 22:35
seller_liarschestowitz: 3 kidsJan 06 22:35
schestowitz doesn't sayJan 06 22:36
schestowitz3 kids=expansion of humanpopulationJan 06 22:36
schestowitz2 become 3Jan 06 22:36
schestowitzIn one generation (~25 years)Jan 06 22:36
seller_liarschestowitz: And they spend far more than 30 poorJan 06 22:37
seller_liarschestowitz: People are living longer, must have a maximum of 2 childrenJan 06 22:37
schestowitz%50^4 per centuryJan 06 22:37
schestowitzOops. I mean 4*1.5Jan 06 22:38
seller_liarschestowitz: The homes are full, people should dieJan 06 22:38
seller_liarschestowitz: or stop having childrenJan 06 22:38
schestowitzBirth control yes.Jan 06 22:38
schestowitzI know academics here (couples) who just don't ahve kids for these reasons.Jan 06 22:39
seller_liarschestowitz: in poor countries are on average 1 doctor for every 50 000Jan 06 22:39
schestowitzIn African, excessive birth leads to death fromm hungerJan 06 22:39
schestowitzIf you give them food... well, they just give more birth...Jan 06 22:39
schestowitzIt's a true and sad realityJan 06 22:39
seller_liarschestowitz: The rich do not want to die and leave the bill for AfricansJan 06 22:39
schestowitzAnd it's part of a human's instinct to reproduce.Jan 06 22:40
seller_liarschestowitz: But look, Africa has no study, we can not blame the AfricansJan 06 22:40
schestowitzWhat do you mean?Jan 06 22:40
schestowitzby "<seller_liar> schestowitz: The rich do not want to die and leave the bill for Africans"Jan 06 22:40
seller_liarschestowitz: Rich exploiting the AfricansJan 06 22:40
seller_liarschestowitz: The rich live the expense of AfricanJan 06 22:41
seller_liarschestowitz: The rich people lives at cost of African painJan 06 22:41
schestowitzYes, of course.Jan 06 22:42
schestowitzHave you seen this video? [wait, I fetch]Jan 06 22:42
seller_liarschestowitz: Rich can even take medicine to live moreJan 06 22:42
seller_liarseller_liar: If nothing is done, only the rich live in this worldJan 06 22:42
schestowitz 06 22:43
seller_liarschestowitz: If nothing is done only the rich liveJan 06 22:44
schestowitzNo, not necessarilyJan 06 22:44
schestowitzThe exploitation breed resentmentJan 06 22:44
schestowitzThen the rich take 'crusades' to poorer countryJan 06 22:44
schestowitzResentment is increased, among iwth nuclear threats.Jan 06 22:45
seller_liarschestowitz: The problem is that the lower class can not do anythingJan 06 22:45
schestowitzTwo drama queen: 06 22:45
seller_liarschestowitz: Class does not have low education and no resourcesJan 06 22:45
schestowitzOne again just referencing one another...Jan 06 22:45
schestowitzThey met a while agoJan 06 22:45
seller_liarI need toi goJan 06 22:46
seller_liarbyeJan 06 22:46
*seller_liar has quit (" ajax IRC Client")Jan 06 22:46
schestowitzMinceR: check out Mac fan Asay saying that Dell should buy Red Hat.Jan 06 22:46
MinceRi wonder what makes him say thatJan 06 22:47
MinceRafter all, none of those companies produce what he wantsJan 06 22:47
MinceR(well, except unreliable computers -- dell does that)Jan 06 22:47
schestowitzWatch them flirt in Var Guy's blog.Jan 06 22:48
schestowitz"Whao... let's put big multi-billion dollar company in the ring and make some crazy claims... that'll get me hits"Jan 06 22:49
schestowitzThere were other such stupidities... Microsoft to buy Red Hat.. Oracle - Red Hat (also the Asay fantasies... of audience)... Apple to buy AMD (the CoolZone Trolls)Jan 06 22:50
MinceRhm, forgot to paste it here: (flash) (video) (audio) 06 22:57
schestowitzApple or Onion COmputer?Jan 06 22:59
schestowitz*Computers?Jan 06 22:59
schestowitzOnion Macintosh.Jan 06 22:59
MinceRit's more like lemonJan 06 23:01
MinceR(slang) A defective or inadequate item.Jan 06 23:01
schestowitzLMAO. Jan 06 23:01
schestowitzGood videoJan 06 23:01
schestowitzA lemon at least has a strong tasteJan 06 23:02
schestowitzApple's Jobs says "Microsoft has no taste"Jan 06 23:02
schestowitzCouldn't be trueJan 06 23:02
schestowitzJust watch SweatyB's tongue fetishJan 06 23:02
MinceRit's not like crApple has tasteJan 06 23:07
MinceRi refuse to believe that toilet seat design laptops qualify for being "tasteful"Jan 06 23:08
schestowitzIt's not that bad.Jan 06 23:09
MinceRwell, they're not as good as they're usually claimed to beJan 06 23:13
MinceRmost companies bring out more tasteful designsJan 06 23:13
schestowitzBut don't spend $300,000,000/year on marketing.Jan 06 23:17
MinceRyeahJan 06 23:18
schestowitzPranksters inflitrate live Macworld feed 06 23:21
schestowitzUp to 16,000 jobs could go 06 23:22
*benJIman wonders if schestowitz is going to FOSDEM.Jan 06 23:23
schestowitzAsk PJJan 06 23:25
schestowitzNature moves into 3D publishing < >. Finally they realise that old-style paper is deadJan 06 23:25
schestowitzSutor's continued obsession with Bob Dylan... 06 23:33
schestowitzThe site is like a shrine to Bob Dylan at times...Jan 06 23:34
MinceRgnJan 06 23:53

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Phoronix in Google News
congratulating or welcoming Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (E.E.E.)
Google Fired Many Employees Working on Google News (Which Had Deteriorated and Became Gulag Noise, Littered and Gamed by Blogspam, Plagiarism, and Chatbot/Translator-Generated Spew), Now Comes the Likely 'Phase-out'
No wonder many yearn for the days of DMOZ and Web directories in general
IRC Proceedings: Monday, February 26, 2024
IRC logs for Monday, February 26, 2024
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
"It's Obvious There's No Future For Any of Us from Blizzard at Microsoft"
The rumours suggest that more Microsoft layoffs are on the way
[Meme] Who's the Boss?
"I thought EPC governed the Office"
Salary Adjustment Procedure (SAP) at the EPO and Why Workers' Salary is Actually Decreasing Each Year (Currency Loses Its Purchasing Power)
outline and update on a years-old blunder
Exposed: FSFE, Legal & Licensing Workshop (LLW), Legal Network & Modern Slavery
Reprinted with permission from Daniel Pocock