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tessier_Thanks, glad you liked themJan 08 00:04
tessier_Regarding environment: The air quality in Saigon is terrible. Especially when you are driving around. You are out in the open. The motorbikes have no emission controls. A lot of them are really old. The city buses have the exhaust pipes down low and you are on your bike two feet from it and it is blowing exhaust straight into your mouth. Don't get stuck behind a bus. It really sucks.Jan 08 00:06
tessier_You see a lot of people on motorbikes wearing masks there. It doesn't protect you from CO2 but it might offer some small protection against particulates, I don't know.Jan 08 00:06
tessier_But a lot of people wear them. Even Kevin. Look at the pics of him on his bike. He wears a mask.Jan 08 00:06
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twitterMost motorbikes have no emission controls.  Honda scooters of 90cc and less don't need them.  2 stroke engines are nasty but they burn so little fuel they are not a big deal.  Trucks suck, even here.  I was in Houston last summer - the air was orange brown and was so heavy you could not see downtown from the interstates.Jan 08 02:12
twitterPart of the problem was oil plants all around.  It covered my car with oily grime.Jan 08 02:13
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NeonF|osswhats the linux eqivelent of this? http://www.blogpirate.org/2009/01/07/evecJan 08 02:56
NeonF|ossis there one?Jan 08 02:56
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tessierNeonFloss: Sounds like BeagleJan 08 04:06
tessierNeonFloss: Part of Gnome.Jan 08 04:07
NeonFlossthanksJan 08 04:07
NeonFlossim nub with linuxJan 08 04:07
NeonFlossis ubuntu gnome?Jan 08 04:07
tessierYesJan 08 04:11
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schestowitzWhy was there a ban? What is this??????Jan 08 08:34
schestowitz[H]omer: did you set that up?Jan 08 08:34
MinceRgeekingsJan 08 09:43
schestowitzGeekings bearing gifts.Jan 08 09:44
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schestowitzWall Street's Collapse and the Ownership Society < http://www.counterpunch.org/martens... >Jan 08 11:54
schestowitzhttp://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-feb.ht... "One of the reasons newspapers hesitated to write about the complex financial derivatives and their dangers was that they feared libel suits for the slightest mistake."Jan 08 11:57
schestowitzHomes with No People, People with No Homes < http://www.commondreams.org/headline/20... >Jan 08 11:58
schestowitzhttp://www.counterpunch.org/thie... "Yes, it’s all smoke and mirrors, and everyone who looked already knew that. That isn’t news. The news, as Alan Greenspan said pathetically in front of Congress, was that the moguls and bankers and investment gurus did not act according to their own self interest. They did not just risky things but insanely stupid risky things and thought they could hide from their karma."Jan 08 12:01
schestowitzMicrosoft executive shoots down Zune Phone rumors -- again < http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microso... >Jan 08 12:04
Omar87Hi allJan 08 12:05
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?lts... "Does anyone remember how SCO was convincing the media ( and a lot of other people, corporations, etc) that there were millions of lines of code than Linux stole from Unix? Pamela deserves credit for being a major force in clearing the smokescreen that SCO was hiding behind."Jan 08 12:06
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?lts... "Or have Eric Raymond, Jamie Boyle, Paul Jones, and Steven-Vaugn Nichols decided FLOSS has won, and no further advocacy is needed?"Jan 08 12:07
Omar87schestowitz: How's it going?Jan 08 12:07
schestowitzPretty OKJan 08 12:07
schestowitzMicrosoft is dumping againJan 08 12:08
schestowitzIt's abusing India (Kerala) tooJan 08 12:08
schestowitzThough we need more evidence.Jan 08 12:08
schestowitzBN's findings were used in the Indian press.Jan 08 12:08
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uplo...Jan 08 12:09
schestowitzStansted protesters sentenced to community service amid threat of €£2m damages claim < http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/... >Jan 08 12:24
schestowitz"A group of climate change protesters who brought Stansted airport to a standstill after occupying a taxiway in December were sentenced yesterday, as it emerged that they and others who joined them face the threat of being sued for more than €£2m in damages."Jan 08 12:24
schestowitzLenovo to Lay off 2,500 Staff, Cut Management Pay < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156620/l... >Jan 08 12:33
schestowitzEMC to Lay off 2,400 < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156619/... >Jan 08 12:33
schestowitzMicrosoft nicks another Yahoo exec: Microsoft Hires Head of Yahoo Korea to Run Local Operations < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156642/microsof... >Jan 08 12:35
schestowitzOLPC Aims for Free Laptop, Lays off Staff < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156604/olpc_aims_... >Jan 08 12:37
schestowitzTime to focus on Sugar mostly.Jan 08 12:37
schestowitzOutsourcing Will Flourish During Recession < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156591/out... >. Maybe fairer distribution of wealthy (globally)/Jan 08 12:38
schestowitz*wealth (globally)?Jan 08 12:38
schestowitzOption for suing Microsoft for AstroTurfing: Posting Negative Reviews Could Get You Sued < http://www.pcworld.com/article/156605/... >Jan 08 12:39
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ushimitsudokiOpen office vs. Go-OO: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/...Jan 08 12:43
ushimitsudokiWhat's up with this fellow Byfield?Jan 08 12:43
schestowitzYou don't know him?Jan 08 12:45
ushimitsudokiNo, I think this is the first article I have read from him ... at least the first that made me think about commentingJan 08 12:46
ushimitsudokimaybe i read other stuff and just didn't care enough to check the authorJan 08 12:46
schestowitzOMGJan 08 12:46
schestowitzHe censored my comment!Jan 08 12:46
schestowitzI had a long comment here: http://ostatic.com/blog/a-diatribe-again...Jan 08 12:46
schestowitzHe removed at least 2 oe 3 (there were 12 comments, IIRC)Jan 08 12:47
ushimitsudokiah, then i won't waste my time commenting. I thought he might be genuinely confused or something.Jan 08 12:47
schestowitzushimitsudoki: search BN for Byfield. There is history there and he also did a hack job on us at Linux.com.Jan 08 12:47
ushimitsudokiah i see a few there now after searchingJan 08 12:49
schestowitzI probably shound't bother feeding by rebuttingJan 08 12:49
schestowitzBut the censorship in OStatic makes me wonder.Jan 08 12:50
schestowitzMaybe it was accidental.Jan 08 12:50
ushimitsudokiwell, IMHO there too much "feeding of the trolls" in generalJan 08 12:50
schestowitzHe did approves my Enderle comment: http://ostatic.com/blog/desktop-an...Jan 08 12:50
schestowitzI'll just pass in that case.Jan 08 12:50
schestowitz"However, by emphasizing only the Microsoft technologies in Go-OO, the anti-Novell lobby misrepresents the project."Jan 08 12:51
schestowitzHe calls us "anti-Novell"Jan 08 12:51
schestowitz"The anti-Novell lobby is right to suggest that Meeks is being disingenuous about Go-OO, but the agenda of its members makes them push their arguments into distortions as serious as Meeks'."Jan 08 12:52
schestowitzLobby?Jan 08 12:52
ushimitsudokithat's a tricky sentence thereJan 08 12:53
ushimitsudokilobby is right outJan 08 12:53
schestowitzHow many times in this article does he call it "anti-Novell lobby"?Jan 08 12:54
schestowitzMind you, he never links to BN.Jan 08 12:54
schestowitzHe wants people to just take his word (re: the "anti-Novell lobby" side)Jan 08 12:54
ushimitsudokibut i do like to beat the drum about tightening up the arguments - I wouldn't put it in the same light as he does of course, but more of along the lines of "a woman has to do the same job twice as good as a man" type of thing, if you see where I'm coming from thereJan 08 12:55
ushimitsudokiwhen you are a minority, you have to watch your step more. it's unfair, but that's the way of thingsJan 08 12:55
schestowitzHe is so careful not the name the siteJan 08 12:55
schestowitzIf he names it, then *Shudders* people might visit it.Jan 08 12:55
ushimitsudokihere is what jumped out at me: "And considering that OOXML is now an ISO standard -- no matter what dirty tricks might have made it one -- the idea that it, at least, could now be used in patent violation cases seems logically inconsistent"Jan 08 12:55
MinceRif only we could lobby against novellJan 08 12:55
ushimitsudokihow does something being an ISO standard prevent a patent violation?Jan 08 12:56
ushimitsudokiThere are licensing terms RAND / RAND-Z / whateverJan 08 12:56
schestowitzYes, I saw that re: patents. Utter BSJan 08 12:56
schestowitzByfield does not understand patents and the OSP/RANDJan 08 12:56
ushimitsudokiISO standard *alone* doesn't prevent anythingJan 08 12:56
ushimitsudokiit's just sloppyJan 08 12:56
schestowitzBut some say he's too vain to allow others to weigh in on these issues.Jan 08 12:56
ushimitsudokiThe fear of people to call go-oo a fork is so funny to meJan 08 12:57
ushimitsudokiit's a fork. get over itJan 08 12:57
ushimitsudokiforkety fork forkJan 08 12:57
schestowitzI guess I could references lawyers like Bredan Scott who wrote about the patent issue that remains in MOOXJan 08 12:57
schestowitzThe F word? No!Jan 08 12:57
ushimitsudokiI also like this: "If you spend any time in OOo at all, you are likely to conclude that all major decisions are made by a small circle of Sun developers,"Jan 08 12:59
ushimitsudokiisn't every major project driven by an "inner circle" of developers?Jan 08 12:59
ushimitsudokithe buck has to stop somewhereJan 08 13:00
PetoKrauswell...Jan 08 13:00
schestowitzBut that won't fit his hypothesisJan 08 13:00
PetoKrausthey should take example from cinelerraJan 08 13:00
*ushimitsudoki listensJan 08 13:00
schestowitzDid Microsoft fork it? :-)Jan 08 13:00
schestowitzj/kJan 08 13:00
PetoKrausthe guy develops it himself, he doesn't care about community workJan 08 13:00
PetoKraushe just happens to release the source codeJan 08 13:01
PetoKrausso the community picks this "inner circle work" and "improves upon it", and there goes cinelerra-cvJan 08 13:01
PetoKrausand everyone is happyJan 08 13:01
ushimitsudokidoes he get much grief for that?Jan 08 13:02
PetoKrausgrief?Jan 08 13:02
ushimitsudokilike the criticism that sun is gettingJan 08 13:02
PetoKrauswell, yes he didJan 08 13:02
PetoKrausbut he explained he developed cinelerra for his company's own useJan 08 13:03
PetoKrausand he's not interested in making it "bigger and better" as long as he can do his job in itJan 08 13:03
ushimitsudokii don't see a problem thereJan 08 13:03
PetoKrausme neitherJan 08 13:04
PetoKrausno one seesJan 08 13:04
ushimitsudokisounds like the guy stepped up to make as much of a contribution as he couldJan 08 13:04
PetoKraus*wanted to, i'd sayJan 08 13:04
ushimitsudokiwell, "feels comfortable with" how about that?Jan 08 13:04
ushimitsudokiin any case, no problemJan 08 13:04
PetoKrausi love these people who say "but by reinventing the wheel you waste effort"Jan 08 13:05
PetoKrausmainly because I like to do it as well (i developed my own, albeit crappy, CMS on my page just because I wanted to)Jan 08 13:06
ushimitsudokii know - absolutely missing the point - it's like saying I really like this one song, I don't understand why the band needs to make anotherJan 08 13:06
PetoKrausyeahJan 08 13:06
PetoKrausyou know, instead they should focus and make the song even better!Jan 08 13:06
PetoKrausi see the idea in people's "why do we need another distro/WM/DE/package manager/init system" thingJan 08 13:08
PetoKrausthough it's not like everyone on the earth is paid by them to develop ;)Jan 08 13:08
ushimitsudokii always say: hey, it's their time to waste. (even so, the number of spin-off distros has gotten a bit ridiculous lately)Jan 08 13:09
PetoKrausyes it is, though most of the people running them are learningJan 08 13:10
PetoKrausor whateverJan 08 13:10
PetoKrausthis recession in the UK is fantasticJan 08 13:10
PetoKrausi wanted to buy one camcorder for €270Jan 08 13:10
PetoKrausi bought two for €£230 with a case :)Jan 08 13:10
PetoKrausand i can still go get several pints of beer to use up all those ~40€£/€Jan 08 13:11
ushimitsudokii'm glad it's helping someone - it's a bit rough on meJan 08 13:11
PetoKrausjob?Jan 08 13:12
ushimitsudokiyeah, i'm paid in USD, but live in Japan ... and the yen rate is poopJan 08 13:12
ushimitsudokiit's like getting a big pay cutJan 08 13:12
PetoKrausyeahJan 08 13:12
PetoKrausmy friend did a mistake - something similar to your situation - he's on erasmus in paris. He could choose to get his scholarship paid in €£ or €. He chose €£... now he lost 1/3 of his money, basicallyJan 08 13:13
ushimitsudokiyup that's how it goesJan 08 13:14
PetoKrausoh, now i see what you meanJan 08 13:14
PetoKraus10% in 3 monthsJan 08 13:15
ushimitsudokithat'll get you to start making sure you turn off the lights when leaving the room :)Jan 08 13:15
PetoKrauswell we do that anywayJan 08 13:15
PetoKrausi'm in glasgowJan 08 13:15
PetoKrauswe started heating on 25th of NovemberJan 08 13:15
PetoKrauswe stopped on 12th of DecemberJan 08 13:16
PetoKrausit's still offJan 08 13:16
PetoKrausit's 5€°C outsideJan 08 13:16
PetoKrausunder zero during night timeJan 08 13:16
PetoKrausstudents :DJan 08 13:16
PetoKrausit boils down to - it's better to get thermo-underwear for like a €£10, than pay +€£10 over three months on gasJan 08 13:17
ushimitsudokiheh too coldJan 08 13:17
PetoKrausi went home during christmasJan 08 13:18
PetoKrausthe weather in my home country is like -10€°C during nighttime, -3€°C to 0€°C during the dayJan 08 13:18
PetoKrausor was over the christmas periodJan 08 13:18
PetoKrausit's roughly 8 degrees less than in glasgow, though much more frosty due to lower air humidityJan 08 13:19
PetoKrausi'm okay with that, the problem is - the flats in slovakia are heated to 25€°CJan 08 13:19
PetoKrausi was dying the first week. I was wandering around the flat just in underwear.Jan 08 13:19
PetoKrausthen you get used to overheat inside and freezing outside...Jan 08 13:19
PetoKrausnow i have to acclimatise back to even temperatures :DJan 08 13:20
schestowitzI wrote a very quick rebuttal.Jan 08 13:20
PetoKrausyeah. It's gonna change - Russians stopped the gas (i mean, gaseous gas, not liquid gas) flowJan 08 13:20
schestowitzI just need to parse through it.Jan 08 13:20
PetoKrausthe funny thing is, the network needs like 30 units of gas per day, the reserves can provide only 22Jan 08 13:22
PetoKrausand there is literally no gas flowing trough the pipes....Jan 08 13:22
PetoKraussteel factories stopped, automobile factories stopped... Fun times. :DJan 08 13:22
MinceRPetoKraus: which is your home country?Jan 08 13:23
PetoKrausSlovakiaJan 08 13:23
MinceRi hope the ukrainians and the russians get slapped on the wrist before we (Europe) run out of gasJan 08 13:24
schestowitzIsn't Slovakia a EU state?Jan 08 13:26
schestowitzOh oops.Jan 08 13:26
PetoKrausschestowitz: isJan 08 13:26
schestowitz"Ukrainians"..Jan 08 13:27
MinceR?Jan 08 13:27
schestowitzhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=...Jan 08 13:28
schestowitzBoth OSNews and LinuxToday repost old news about OpenGL or mesa. Amazing how one person'a mistake percolates.Jan 08 13:48
schestowitz Google cuts staff < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/285/105... >. MS is next.Jan 08 13:56
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/27... "INTEL HAS CONFESSED that it expects its fourth-quarter revenue to drop by 23 per cent"Jan 08 13:56
schestowitz" Vietnamese government mandates Open Source - Kicking out Microsoft " http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/293/10...Jan 08 13:58
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/... "The biggest losers will be those who only have a mobile phone because they'll continue to pay over the top for 0845 and 0870 calls. Most mobile networks even charge for calls placed to 0800 numbers which are supposed to be 'free'."Jan 08 13:59
ushimitsudokiwow i don't think i understood one sentence in that last article :)Jan 08 14:00
schestowitzThere's a ripoff here in the UKJan 08 14:00
schestowitzSome people's numbers are not just expensive to make calls from (landline) but are also a ripoff to ring.Jan 08 14:01
schestowitzThere was a petition on the Web... with many more like it, even against PhormJan 08 14:01
schestowitz-Jesus-Jobs loses half a billion in stock value (Apple).. reportedly.Jan 08 14:02
schestowitz[urgent] can anyone extract the text from this: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/up...Jan 08 14:31
PetoKrausfuuuJan 08 14:45
PetoKrausi can't sorryJan 08 14:46
PetoKrausit's totally illegibleJan 08 14:47
schestowitzEven if you focus?Jan 08 14:47
PetoKrausi had it on 200%Jan 08 14:47
PetoKrausi probably could look into it in 3 hoursJan 08 14:48
schestowitzThanks! :-)Jan 08 14:48
ushimitsudokii'll work on itJan 08 14:54
schestowitzThanks.Jan 08 14:54
schestowitzI have 5 more PDFs about EDGIJan 08 14:55
schestowitzIt'll take lots of work to publish them, but we'll get it doneJan 08 14:55
schestowitzIt was nice to see the Indian paper talking about EDGI because BoycottNovell showed itJan 08 14:55
*schestowitz is processing http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u...Jan 08 15:08
trmancololJan 08 15:09
trmancomicrosoft like VLC?Jan 08 15:10
trmancolikes*Jan 08 15:10
trmancothey are trying to make applications compatibleJan 08 15:10
schestowitzWhere do you see this?Jan 08 15:10
schestowitzI'd like to see.Jan 08 15:10
trmancohttp://mailman.videolan.org/pipermail/...Jan 08 15:11
trmancothere you goJan 08 15:11
trmancothe thing is, vlc has already been reported as "compatible" with 7Jan 08 15:12
schestowitztrmanco: where did you find this?Jan 08 15:13
schestowitzAs in, any context?Jan 08 15:13
trmancoI'm just subed to that mailing listJan 08 15:13
schestowitzThanks.Jan 08 15:14
trmancono contextJan 08 15:14
schestowitzI'll post about itJan 08 15:14
trmancook ;)Jan 08 15:14
schestowitz"Windows 7 PC Ecosystem team..."Jan 08 15:14
schestowitz*snigger*Jan 08 15:14
schestowitzEcosystem = buy a new computer to be 'capable'... you know... the help the ecosystem... (not in the ecology sense)Jan 08 15:15
MinceRto surviveJan 08 15:15
MinceRbuy or die :>Jan 08 15:16
trmancololJan 08 15:18
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ushimitsudokischestowitz: i have PX09445 in spreadsheet form. where do you want it?Jan 08 15:43
schestowitzThanks!Jan 08 15:43
schestowitzmail it to r at schestowitz.comJan 08 15:43
schestowitzPublish this in your blog as well. We ought to get the word out. Feel free to copy whatever there is in BN.Jan 08 15:44
ushimitsudokialright it is sent. pls let me know when you get it (or don't)Jan 08 15:45
schestowitzWhat should I attribute to?Jan 08 15:47
schestowitzMaybe a link to your site?Jan 08 15:47
ushimitsudokiThat's fine - no big notice neededJan 08 15:47
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schestowitzThanks. It's updated now: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/08/micro...Jan 08 15:52
PetoKrausrussia pawnsJan 08 15:55
PetoKrausseems so ;)Jan 08 15:55
schestowitzDid you see the YouTube vid?Jan 08 16:09
PetoKrausnaeJan 08 16:09
schestowitzhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fzLtF_PxbYwJan 08 16:10
schestowitztrmanco: I wrote about your finding. Do you want to check it? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/08/wind...Jan 08 16:33
trmancosureJan 08 16:33
trmancocoolJan 08 16:34
schestowitzNo typos?Jan 08 16:34
schestowitzI'm paranoid about them.Jan 08 16:34
schestowitzWhen it comes to BN only... because a lot more people read it than anything else I use.Jan 08 16:34
schestowitzBN server 14697 pages in the past 12 hours (to non-bots)Jan 08 16:35
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schestowitzI think we just inherit some GL readers.Jan 08 16:38
MinceRGL?Jan 08 16:39
schestowitzGroklaw.Jan 08 16:39
trmancoschestowitz, I'll checkJan 08 16:40
trmancono typosJan 08 16:41
MinceRinherited? what happened to groklaw?Jan 08 16:42
schestowitzNo new postsJan 08 16:46
schestowitzNo news picks, either.Jan 08 16:46
MinceRicJan 08 16:47
MinceR:(Jan 08 16:47
schestowitz"Again, your links are awesome and now that PJ isnt doing links anymore, even more important for free software supporters." (hours ago) http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/08/india-so...Jan 08 16:47
schestowitzMaybe I'll do an interview to publish in Datamation in response to http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/a... (Byfield piece)Jan 08 16:50
schestowitzLatest Massive Fraud: Satyam Found To Be Swimming Naked < http://techdirt.com/articles/2009... >Jan 08 16:52
schestowitz"Electronic components maker TDK said it was cutting 8,000 jobs worldwide as it announced it expected to make its biggest ever annual loss."  < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/busine... >Jan 08 16:53
twitterI'm not sure about the specifics of cinerella, but it's always best to be clear about copyright up front.Jan 08 16:53
twitterIf you are not clear and careful, others can't distribute your work for you.Jan 08 16:53
schestowitzIt's just getting started. Many companies are "swimming naked," to borrow the term from Mike MasnickJan 08 16:54
schestowitz1990 called BBC... they want their 'news' back: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7817093.stmJan 08 16:55
twitterIf you care enough to share your work, you should care enough to make sure others can use it.Jan 08 16:55
schestowitzPasswords too? Are you talking about Cinerella, still?Jan 08 16:59
schestowitzhttp://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2009/01/05/... open, open, open... what about Freedom, Mitchell?Jan 08 17:02
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph... "OpenOffice, as Firefox, have won a prestigious trademark among non-IT-related office workers. It will take years and many millions to destroy such trademark image. Not even IBM was able to destroy it even with all the money and propaganda trying to convert OO users to Lotus Symphony."Jan 08 17:07
schestowitzPlease refer to Novell's fork as "Go-OOXML" to deter against its useJan 08 17:07
schestowitzAlso... Win7 should be called Vista 7. It's inherently the same thing with some tweaks and GUI changes.Jan 08 17:08
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schestowitzWhat4? Jan 08 17:10
schestowitzhttp://blog.angulosolido.pt/2009/01/integ...Jan 08 17:10
schestowitzLinuxToday links to a sort of advert now...? http://www.multiseatcomputer.be/index.php/en...Jan 08 17:11
schestowitzNick blogs about OLPC layoffs (open for comments): http://blog.laptop.org/2009/01/07/refo...Jan 08 17:13
schestowitzNovell low-end 'bribes' :-) http://news.opensuse.org/2009/0...Jan 08 17:15
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schestowitzAlternate Universe of Macworld News http://www.pcworld.com/articl... "less-than-exciting keynote address at the MacWorld Expo yesterday.."Jan 08 17:21
schestowitzWow. I've just watched the video here again: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/08/ab...Jan 08 17:23
schestowitzSkip to around minute 7. Steve Jobs says that only Apple and Microsoft exist on the desktop and together they have 100% market share. He pulled the same stunt with his Safari diagram where he pretended Firefox et al no longer exist!!Jan 08 17:24
schestowitztwitter: do you have software that can clip videos?Jan 08 17:25
schestowitzAnyone?Jan 08 17:25
twitteryesJan 08 17:26
twittershoot it to me and let me know what you want and whenJan 08 17:26
schestowitzCan you see the video? You can d/l from YouTube.Jan 08 17:27
schestowitzSteve Jobs essentially promotes duopoly with Microsoft on the desktopJan 08 17:27
twitteryes, I can use clive for YouTube.Jan 08 17:27
schestowitzI want to put this in FPJan 08 17:27
twitterah, where is it?Jan 08 17:28
schestowitz[OT] Sacked IT admin sentenced for hacking ex-employer < http://www.theregister.co.uk/... Jan 08 17:28
twitterhere's an interesting article on affordable computing  http://www.pcworld.com/article/156463/amd...Jan 08 17:29
twitternot bad, considering the source.Jan 08 17:29
schestowitzhttp://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WxOp5mBY9IY Skip to 9:10Jan 08 17:29
schestowitzWhat was the syntax for deep linking? I can't rememeber..Jan 08 17:30
twitterI don't know that would be nice.  Clive just gets the mp4Jan 08 17:30
twitterthis thing is from 1999?Jan 08 17:31
schestowitzhttp://www.findmysoft.com/news/YouTube-A...Jan 08 17:31
schestowitzNever mindJan 08 17:31
schestowitzI'll deep-link it.Jan 08 17:32
schestowitz1997Jan 08 17:32
twitterThat's worth sharing, " you want to deep link to this specific time 1:03. All you have to do is attach “#t=1m03s” to the video’s URL. What you will end up with is this deep link."  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD_KNf... for example.Jan 08 17:33
twittertoo bad they don't have a start and end timeJan 08 17:34
schestowitzYesJan 08 17:34
schestowitzI got it anywayJan 08 17:34
twitterIt's nice to have that.  At the time, people at Apple and M$ talked and acted as if software monopolies were natural.  They might have still believed that free software was impossible and that there was not enough "room" in the market for more than one or two non free companies because non free would never work with others.Jan 08 17:43
twitterThese comments show the arrogance of non free software makers.Jan 08 17:43
twitterBy 1999, there were several usable distributions, even commercial distributions.  As RMS said, saying free software is impossible is like saying airplanes are impossible when anyone can go to the airport and watch them take off and land.Jan 08 17:45
twitterYet here we are, 10 years later, and some people still say the same shit.  It takes the form of "Free software will never do X"  where X is a working kernel, friendly GUI, documentation, media playing, and so on and so forth.Jan 08 17:47
schestowitzThey are marketing companiesJan 08 17:48
schestowitzDell shuts Limerick factory and scraps 1,900 jobs < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/08/... >Jan 08 17:50
schestowitzThat's like 10,000 so far todayJan 08 17:50
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8115 (Deadly Deception: The Tobacco Industry's Secondhand Smoke Cover Up)Jan 08 17:52
schestowitzPropaganda that costs livesJan 08 17:52
schestowitzAn Army of $15.5 Million < http://www.prwatch.org/node/8119 >Jan 08 17:55
tessier_Morning all. Anything interesting happening today?Jan 08 18:11
schestowitzJust more reports about VietnamJan 08 18:12
schestowitz"Joe - It has been rumored that some of Novell’s largest GroupWise customers are moving away from that platform. As I understand it, GroupWise Maintenance is Novell’s largest source of revenue from a product perspective. What will that revenue loss mean for new technology offerings from Novell since they are already behind companies like Google, and Microsoft in the GroupWare and Collaboration space." http://www.thevarguy.com/2Jan 08 18:13
schestowitz009/01/06/podcast-novell-chief -marketing-officer-john-dragoon/Jan 08 18:13
schestowitzhttp://www.thevarguy.com/2009/01/06/pod...Jan 08 18:13
schestowitzFound in 4 place so far (this one's the latest): http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/20...Jan 08 18:14
schestowitz Asus reveals wireless HD Eee PC inside a keyboard  < http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3760.html >Jan 08 18:22
tessier_I noticed this morning that someone from Novell is contributing quite a bit to the development of btrfsJan 08 18:32
tessier_btrfs is awesome and soon to be included in Linus' kernel.Jan 08 18:32
schestowitzWhich person?Jan 08 18:33
schestowitzYes, it'l be mergesJan 08 18:33
schestowitzIt's an Oracle project (Chris Mason or something)Jan 08 18:33
tessier_From: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>Jan 08 18:34
tessier_He appears to be doing very good work so don't cause him any troubles. :)Jan 08 18:34
tessier_Yes, it's Chris Mason.Jan 08 18:34
tessier_Chris Mason did a lot of work on reiserfs also.Jan 08 18:34
tessier_"Asus might have lost the netbook war to Acer"Jan 08 18:35
tessier_huh? How so?Jan 08 18:35
tessier_Asus is selling tons of EEE PC'sJan 08 18:35
schestowitzAcer sells moreJan 08 18:36
schestowitzSlightly more according to 'stats'Jan 08 18:36
tessier_More netbooks or laptops in general?Jan 08 18:36
tessier_I don't even know the name of the Acer netbook product.Jan 08 18:37
tessier_This PC inside a keyboard thing looks awesome btw.Jan 08 18:37
tessier_I've always wanted a PC in a full keysize  touch-typeable keyboard.Jan 08 18:37
tessier_Not a huge 101 key monstrosity keyboard. Something like the Happy Hacking keyboard.Jan 08 18:37
tessier_But wireless HDMI? I've never heard of that. I wish it had a clamshell design like traditional notebooks with a screen the same size as the keyboard.Jan 08 18:38
schestowitzAcer -> Aspire (One)Jan 08 18:40
schestowitzCarder linked to TJX hack jailed for 30 years by Turkish court < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/0... >Jan 08 18:41
tessier_So who from TJX is going to jail for letting this happen?Jan 08 18:41
tessier_I am reminded of the Drill Sargent from Full Metal Jacket:Jan 08 18:42
schestowitzWhich part was this?Jan 08 18:43
*schestowitz hasn't watched it for yearsJan 08 18:43
schestowitzSutor snubs ISO: http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=3269Jan 08 18:46
schestowitz20,000 jobs to go at Dell, IBM and Lenovo < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22... >Jan 08 18:47
schestowitz*LOL* http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe... Crazy tabloidsJan 08 18:48
schestowitzSatyam delisted:  Indian computer giant delisted after scandal < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/BUSINESS/01... >Jan 08 18:50
schestowitzIf they could get away with it until now that he confessed, anyone could (and many do). It'll blow up soon..Jan 08 18:50
tessier_HARTMAN:  "Jesus H. Christ! Private Pyle, why is your footlocker unlocked?" PYLE: "Sir, I don't know, sir!" HARTMAN: "Private Pyle, if there is one thing in this world that I hate, it is an unlocked footlocker! You know that, don't you?" PYLE: "Sir, yes, sir!" HARTMAN: "If it wasn't for dickheads like you, there wouldn't be any thievery in this world, would there?" PYLE: "Sir, no, sir!Jan 08 18:52
tessier_Windows is an unlocked footlocker.Jan 08 18:52
tessier_Don't prosecute the crackers. Prosecute the ones who didn't lock their footlocker.Jan 08 18:52
schestowitz*sigh* [me seeing stuff] Why do people /still/ cite Gartner. They are corruptible. E-mails from antitrust show them negotiating with clients what they'll write.Jan 08 18:53
schestowitzPaycut too: http://www.masshightech.com/stories/2009...  OLPC loses half staff, reduces pay for others Jan 08 18:54
schestowitzKeep one, sack oneJan 08 18:54
schestowitzThey ought to have sought justice against the crimes of WIntelsoftJan 08 18:54
schestowitzLora still peddles that "Microsoft to devour FOSS" plot: http://www.itbusinessedge.com/blogs/...Jan 08 18:56
tessier_I'm bummed about OLPC. I bought one and shipped it to my 12 year old brother in law in Vietnam.Jan 08 18:57
tessier_I was looking forward to the day when all of his friends would have one and he would have been the first kid on his block.Jan 08 18:57
tessier_Now I don't know that it will ever happen.Jan 08 18:57
tessier_I'Jan 08 18:57
tessier_I'm a bit worried about OpenMoko also.Jan 08 18:57
tessier_I support these guys by dropping hundreds of dollars ($1000 between OLPC and OpenMoko) on their early hardware and then they go and screw up organisationally.Jan 08 18:58
schestowitzNot many companies are growing these daysJan 08 19:00
schestowitzMotorola, Sony, Samsung..Jan 08 19:00
schestowitzhttp://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/... (Microsoft: Customers play "Russian roulette" with their systems)Jan 08 19:01
schestowitzSure, Windows *is* "Russian roulette"Jan 08 19:02
schestowitzNow they blame CUSTOMERS/Jan 08 19:02
twitterM$ has always blamed the user for security and other problems.Jan 08 19:03
tessier_My employer is growing. :)Jan 08 19:04
tessier_That reminds me, I need to post those job adverts today...Jan 08 19:04
schestowitzDatamt1on will pass on this OOo interview, but I've just asked  an interview for BN (unpaid :-( )?Jan 08 19:04
schestowitzPeople whom I speak to see their company shrinking fastJan 08 19:05
twitterHere's someone with the nerve to defend M$ about the Vista Capable scam.  http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/200...Jan 08 19:05
schestowitzThere are also some 'boot lickers' out there How do you think Microsoft find lawyers to defend it?Jan 08 19:07
schestowitz*findsJan 08 19:07
schestowitzVietnam goes "100 per cent open source" by 2010 < http://www.heise.de/english/newstick... >Jan 08 19:07
schestowitztessier: go help Kevin. :-)Jan 08 19:08
schestowitzGoogle Cuts Jobs, But Acquisitions Ahead < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/01... >. Microsoft is next, but some say it will pressure them out silently (it already does this)Jan 08 19:09
twitterthere once was a place in Limerick, made shiny PCs with glass.  When Vista fell in a failure, they fired all the workers and Balmer blew cash out of his ass.Jan 08 19:14
trmancohttp://pthree.org/2009/01/07/rm-rf/Jan 08 19:16
schestowitz"An anonymous reader called our attention to a comment reposting some fantastic thinking on the dangerous trend of believing we can own, sell or steal ideas." http://techdirt.com/articles/20090...Jan 08 19:20
schestowitzroot@host ~#: rm -rf / tmp/*Jan 08 19:21
schestowitzrm: cannot remove root directory `/'Jan 08 19:21
schestowitzOne space kills HDDJan 08 19:21
trmancouse to killJan 08 19:22
twitteruse tab complete to avoid that kind of mistakeJan 08 19:23
schestowitzSod it :-) I'm going to the gym..Jan 08 19:23
twitterHere's Ed Bott, providing unintended humor, " Virtually every one of those systems had also run Windows Vista at some point in its lab lifecycle, which made it easy for me to track down the best drivers for each subsystem and peripheral."Jan 08 19:24
schestowitzI've just posted this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01...Jan 08 19:24
twitterOh, so easy.  Sign me up to track down drivers for all my hardware.Jan 08 19:24
schestowitzEd BoughtJan 08 19:24
schestowitzHow much does Microsoft compensate him and how?Jan 08 19:24
schestowitzHe sells books to promote them, so he's an ecosystem goon.Jan 08 19:24
schestowitzGNU/Linux: track down without the tracking down... it's all in the CDJan 08 19:25
twitterGenerally fully automatic.Jan 08 19:25
tessier_http://tracyreed.org/blog/we-are-pa...Jan 08 19:38
PetoKrauslolJan 08 19:50
PetoKraus"As always, 2008 proved to be an interesting year"Jan 08 19:50
PetoKrauspriceless :DJan 08 19:50
*r0ver is now known as r0ver|mtgJan 08 19:56
twitterThis looks like CES 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3deeiW_rTqoJan 08 20:01
twitterSweaty B says something about a Facebook deal ... ha ha on Facebook users.Jan 08 20:02
twitter"You can now connect Facebook with Windows Live."Jan 08 20:02
twitterWindows Live and Live Search will be installed on all Dell consumer and small business PCs.Jan 08 20:03
twitterThey also have some kind of deal with Verrizon that puts M$ search on all US Verrizon phones.Jan 08 20:06
twitterIt's funny that he was hyping up choice of Windows Mobil phones right before announcing they will all come with M$ Search.  Even iPhone offers better choice than that.Jan 08 20:07
twitterIt's like he still thinks he can lock down all of those platforms and kill Google.Jan 08 20:09
twitterBasically, he just gave everyone reasons to avoid Windows Mobil and Facebook.Jan 08 20:09
twitterStory submission, http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl...Jan 08 20:25
twitterwe will hear more about these deals, I'm sure.Jan 08 20:25
*kapipi (n=tor@130.226.169.143) has joined #boycottnovellJan 08 20:36
*r0ver|mtg is now known as r0verJan 08 21:02
schestowitzI have so many good things lined up for posting :-)Jan 08 21:47
NeonFlosslike what?Jan 08 22:00
schestowitzMostly antitrust.Jan 08 22:05
schestowitzI don't have enough time to do that and the news tracking as well.Jan 08 22:05
schestowitzFraudsters try to sort out the mess: http://www.pcworld.com/article/156665/satyam_t...Jan 08 22:09
schestowitzOOXML revisionism of corruption at play: http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/special...Jan 08 22:14
*Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.62.42.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovellJan 08 22:18
tessier_Satyam means truth in Hindi. Isn't that funny? ;)Jan 08 22:24
tessier_Truth told lies.Jan 08 22:24
schestowitzHahaha.Jan 08 22:25
schestowitzPerfect coverup. Like pet "charity"Jan 08 22:25
tessier_I wonder how effective that really is as a tactic. To make your name something pure and wholesome so customers think better of you.Jan 08 22:26
tessier_MS could change its name to "DefinitelyNotAViolationOfTheShermanAct"Jan 08 22:26
tessier_dot comJan 08 22:26
PetoKrausbahJan 08 22:27
PetoKrausbe openJan 08 22:27
PetoKraus.govJan 08 22:27
schestowitzvoicesforinnovation.org .. registered by MSJan 08 22:27
tessier_I guess nobody thought my new blog entry was all that clever. People asking me "huh? I don't get it." Oh well.Jan 08 22:27
tessier_At least I amuse myself.Jan 08 22:28
PetoKraustessier_: link?Jan 08 22:28
schestowitzhttp://tracyreed.org/blog/we-are-payi...Jan 08 22:28
PetoKrauspun intended :DJan 08 22:28
tessier_There ya go. schestowitz beat me to it.Jan 08 22:28
tessier_oops...misspelled doughnut. Let me fix that...Jan 08 22:28
PetoKrausnoJan 08 22:28
PetoKraus!! it sounds like dought-nutJan 08 22:29
PetoKrausdoooot-nutJan 08 22:29
tessier_I gotta fix my server. The disk IO is sucking slowing everything down.Jan 08 22:29
PetoKrausdot-netJan 08 22:29
PetoKraus:)Jan 08 22:29
PetoKrausi thought it's on purposeJan 08 22:29
PetoKraus:PJan 08 22:29
tessier_Nope. And I doubt anyone would think it anything but me being illiterate.Jan 08 22:29
PetoKraus:DJan 08 22:29
schestowitzWhat happened to ultra-violet?Jan 08 22:30
tessier_I still have it. But I think I prefer to "build my brand"Jan 08 22:30
tessier_It points to tracyreed.orgJan 08 22:30
schestowitzOKJan 08 22:30
tessier_So does email. It all goes to the same place.Jan 08 22:30
schestowitzAlso escapes the AtctiveX thugs :-)Jan 08 22:30
tessier_Ultraviolet is rather hard to spell out also.Jan 08 22:30
schestowitzWhen I bought schestowitz.com for 10 years it was rare to buy one's name as a domain.Jan 08 22:31
tessier_I get tired of explaining it over the phone. "What does ultraviolet mean?" "Well, way back in '96 or so when I registered my own domain I was big into U2 and I couldn't think of anything better but I had this U2 CD sitting there and..."Jan 08 22:31
schestowitzThen blogs became more ppular.Jan 08 22:31
tessier_Yeah.Jan 08 22:31
schestowitzhttp://radian.org/notebook/porsche "Adolf Merckle, one of the world’s richest men, committed suicide yesterday by throwing himself under a train, Bloomberg reports. Financial difficulties, and particularly great losses he suffered on Volkswagen stock, are being cited as the key reason he ended his life..."Jan 08 22:32
schestowitzThat's two in less than a month.Jan 08 22:32
tessier_Who was the other one?Jan 08 22:32
schestowitzA friend of the Madoffocker (second-richest lady) is said to have killed herself too.Jan 08 22:33
tessier_Ah.Jan 08 22:33
tessier_I heard about Merckle on the radio the other day.Jan 08 22:33
schestowitzNot confirmed as a suicide at the time, but probably so.Jan 08 22:33
PetoKrausschestowitz: ultra-violence?Jan 08 22:33
schestowitzThe world will be better without some of these chapsJan 08 22:33
schestowitzThey probably hide some secrets that they take to the graveJan 08 22:33
TallkenhizJan 08 22:34
tessier_PetoKraus: Someone once actually said that to me.Jan 08 22:34
tessier_"Your domain name is ultra-violence? And we're supposed to hire you?" hahahJan 08 22:34
schestowitzA lot of corruption has yet to come out this year. Lots!Jan 08 22:34
PetoKraustessier_: i guess you're kubrick-loverJan 08 22:34
tessier_At least I'm not a gun nut who has his whole gun collection and not much else else his personal website. I have a friend like that. I tried to get him hired on where I was but my boss took one look at his site and said no way.Jan 08 22:35
tessier_PetoKraus: Yeah, I like a lot of his films.Jan 08 22:35
PetoKrausi saw only clockwork orangeJan 08 22:35
PetoKrausand part of eyes wide shutJan 08 22:35
schestowitzNoe ESR?Jan 08 22:35
tessier_PetoKraus: So you don't find my blog entry amusing either?Jan 08 22:36
PetoKrausi guess i miss the referenceJan 08 22:37
tessier_If nobody likes/gets it I can remove it. I don't like having profanity on my site without at least good artistic reason for it.Jan 08 22:38
PetoKrausprofanity?Jan 08 22:39
PetoKrausOH I C!Jan 08 22:40
schestowitzRedir it to ultraviolentJan 08 22:40
tessier_It's not FMJ without profanity. That's some brilliant stuff.Jan 08 22:40
PetoKraus:DJan 08 22:40
schestowitzI've put more activist stuff in schestowitz.com as of lateJan 08 22:41
tessier_I can barely remember to update one website.Jan 08 22:43
tessier_I can't imagine having multiple. Although I do need to get my consulting business website up and running again.Jan 08 22:43
tessier_The consulting biz is pretty dormant at the moment but I hope to get things going again once my wife finishes school and can help me out.Jan 08 22:43
schestowitzCool!Jan 08 22:44
schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/04/... EDGI in table, on page 5. Note ref on page 2 to "MGB Linux $50,000 prize competition" (!) CompHot Escalation Team Summary: "Linux infestations"Jan 08 22:48
schestowitzWhy are adverts entering Google News.. http://abc.az/eng/news/corporate...Jan 08 23:21
schestowitzI wonder is Sun's OOo talk about QA is a result of the Novell FUD/Go-OOXML.. http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entr... (24 hour QA chat at 13th of January 2009)Jan 08 23:24
schestowitz33604 pageviews so far today (in 18 hours, non-bots only)Jan 08 23:29
schestowitzI got heaps of antitrust goodies. Will spost some soon. :-)Jan 08 23:36
schestowitzIn some of them you see Microsoft pretty much bribing GartnerJan 08 23:36
schestowitzThey also manipulate their TCO 'studies'Jan 08 23:37
schestowitzAnd Allchin runs the show with anti-Linux studiesJan 08 23:37
schestowitzAlso IDCJan 08 23:37
schestowitzWhich owns IDG, i.e. lots of news sites that promote Windows and stuff...Jan 08 23:37
schestowitzCool. AdamW still writes about Mandriva (after the layoffs): http://www.happyassassin.net/broadcom-prop...Jan 08 23:42
MinceRgnJan 08 23:42
PetoKrausgnJan 08 23:43
PetoKrausoh, it's almost midnight!Jan 08 23:43
schestowitzMajor new: Novell hired Microsoft veteran as chiefJan 08 23:45
MinceRit's almost 1 hereJan 08 23:45
MinceRthere's a shocker.Jan 08 23:45
schestowitzNopeJan 08 23:45
schestowitzAnother signpostJan 08 23:45
tessier_US 'renews' Microsoft share probe: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/2...Jan 08 23:57

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