Bonum Certa Men Certa

ODF: Microsoft Gets Its Way in Seattle, Washington

Mars attacks alien
"We come in peace"



Summary: OpenDocument Format (ODF) falls further into the hands of the already-corrupted ISO after a meeting that Microsoft was hosting

THE previous post showed that ODF is gaining (there is a Japanese translation in progress, which looks like this), but there is one company standing in the way, as always. Lacking desire to inter-operate with ODF [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7] (Office 2010 will still lack proper ODF support), Microsoft tries to bring this debate closer to home, as we last mentioned here. The plenary meeting of ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 is taking place in Bellevue or Seattle, as planned all along. It's almost as if Microsoft is to be the centre of ODF this time around and those in attendance include Microsoft folks like Alex Brown [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21], who is delighted to "create a new working group (WG 6) dedicated to servicing its responsibilities for #ODF maintenance." Jomar Silva might become a member, but who else?



ISO standards for saleIt sure sounds like that dreaded attempt of ISO/Microsoft to take control of ODF, at the expense of OASIS. SC34 is already stuffed with Microsoft people [1, 2], most of whom have their interests disguised. It's worth remembering that this is an SC34 meeting near Microsoft which is responsible for everything and it's Microsoft employees who seem most pleased. Henrion from FFII is rightly angry, arguing that one should "Scrap ISO. They have a stupid system of physical meetings around the planet. I don€´t have the money to travel to such meetings."

This SC34 meeting at Microsoft sure seems to have served as a stepping stone in the hijack of ODF, which Groklaw warned about one year ago. Simon Phipps from Sun is seemingly unhappy. He asks Brown (Microsoft mole and OOXML convenor): "What responsibility does SC34 have for ODF beyond forwarding mail to OASIS?" Later he tells a Microsoft employee: "SC34's role in ODF maintenance probably matches the Linux Foundation's role in Windows maintenance following your kernel code drop"

Phipps is referring to this incident, which we last mentioned here. Rob Weir just posts this Q&A, leaving no clear indication of how he feels about this development, into which he could as well be pressured. "Rob Weir tells more than we probably want to know," argues Glyn Moody.

Question: So who owns ODF maintenance?

Rob: The OASIS ODF TC owns the maintenance of the OASIS ODF standard, and WG6 will own this activity for the equivalent ISO/IEC text. However, neither committee has absolute freedom of action, both being governed by applicable procedural rules of their parent organizations, as well as various joint agreements between OASIS and JTC1.


Given the corruption at ISO [1, 2, 3, 4, 5], is this a safe bet? How did it come about and whose proposal was it?

NZOSS has also just reminded the world of XML and OOXML patents from Microsoft. This is a subject that we wrote about in:



Here is a new video from NZOSS (as Ogg Theora or Flash):

2.6M





Direct link



Charles from the OpenOffice.org community had this to say:

I remember that a while ago, as I was attending a heated debate on the (in)famous standardization of OOXML. As we were arguing with Microsoft on some specification details, I happened to state all aloud that when it came to this level of security (the topic at hand was security), I had my concerns about the encryption algorithms used by the specification but that in a general sense, security relied much more on the application using the format and the underlying operating system’s level of security. I went on to say that for the specific portion of the draft we were studying, it was perhaps not necessary to waste time in fruitless discussion topics including the behavior of OOXML documents in a computer undergoing a nuclear attack and being stored on a computer facing a zero-day exploit at the same time.

The response from one of the Microsoft spokesperson (I’m coining the term spokesperson, because that’s what most of them were) was a mix of surprise and sarcasm: “Everything happens, today you agreed with us!”. And indeed, I agreed that we should continue to parse the 6000 pages-long draft.

[...]

First, one has to realize that what happened with Novell was a serious attack against free and open source software, but although it was serious, it never really had any major impact on the community itself. What I mean by this is not that it did not have any real and damageable impact on IT companies or OEMs that ended up signing phony IPR deals with Microsoft. I mean by this that when you step back, you end up realizing that even the divide it caused inside the community is not that big. There is no one “Novell Community” and one “FSF Community”. That simply never existed except perhaps in the mind of some Mono architects. Even the Ximian bunch is very much on its own; influential because of monthly salaries, and time to devout to their pet projects and an historical ties to Gnome. But aside this, the impact of the Novell agreement with Microsoft did not create the “grand schism” many feared or wished at that time.

[...]

That is, I believe, the essence of the Codeplex foundation that is described here. Forget the code for a moment, and you might come to the conclusion that either Microsoft wants to impose its views on patents and copyrights, or it genuinely wants to have a fruitful conversation with the free and open source software community. The former is only surprising as it shows a different approach, but if that’s what they’re looking to achieve I am afraid that unless this foundation comes out with the most radically innovative ideas in the field of IPR, it will fail, for the first reason I outlined much above: Nobody will follow them, except people and constituencies who have an economic incentive to do that. What is left, then, if not the latter hypothesis? Interesting times are ahead of us in this case.


Microsoft's CodePlex Foundation is still seen as undesirable by the Free software community. It's a subject we covered in:



The next few posts will carry on along the same theme. Microsoft's bear hugs are merely attempts to take control of its very own opposition, thus diffusing it.

Recent Techrights' Posts

The Register MS is Profiting From Pyramid Schemes Run by Americans
We cannot help but feel disgusted by what this publisher became
IBM: Hiring, Then Disposing of, Unpaid or Low-Paid European Staff to Spread or Play Up Buzzwords and Hype
Like Google With "Summer of Code", this seems like a low-cost marketing stunt more than anything substantial
The Europe Conversation: The EPO Has Cocaine at the High-Level Management and Isn't Denying It
Now we plan to ensure the matter is properly documented in European press
Corporate Media Helps IBM Relay Vapourware (Misinformation/Fake News)
They compensate with words for a lack of compelling products
Web Searches Far Too Polluted, Gamed by LLM Slop and "Plagiarised Information Synthesis Systems" (PISS)
old articles are already getting difficult to find in mainstream search engines, even if they are still online
"AI" is a Lie. It Always Was. What They Call "AI" Is Not.
This MSM does no favours to the economy
 
Richard Stallman Talk Tomorrow in Ethereum Cypherpunk Congress 2
It's not clear if a livestream of some kind will exist
Many "Last Days" at IBM on Allegedly the "Last Day" for IBM to RA People This Quarter
"Last day" is "social media code" for "got laid off", more so at IBM because they compel people to act like it's a happy departure with gratitude, photos and so on
Slopwatch: Almost a Majority of Google News is Now Slopfarms (Fake Sites, Fake Articles)
Google News is noise
Gemini Links 14/11/2025: Boredom, "Twenty Percent Cooler", and Moving From Windows to Artix
Links for the day
Links 14/11/2025: YouTube's Trap for Publishers, Lack of Accountability a Growing Legal Matter/Concern
Links for the day
Many Times in the Past We Said That Microsoft Lunduke Was Becoming a Spokesperson/Voice for - and Occasionally Weaponising - 4Chan. He's Proving Us Right This Week.
Stay away
Casual Reminder That We Also Publish GNU/Linux Stories and News Coverage in Tux Machines
Without trust in our robustness (including fearlessness, not just success in protecting stories and sources) we'd not have come this far, nor would I devote my life to it
Links 14/11/2025: Goddard Space Center Abused by the White House, Jeffrey Epstein Scandal Expands (Cheetos Need Distraction)
Links for the day
Hacking on Recipes
Maybe, in due course perhaps, we can also release some of our own cooking recipes or "forks"
Privacy-respecting Metasearch Engine SearX/SearXNG Still Jailed by Microsoft
The official site and code still sadly controlled by Microsoft
Our First Week of Our Twentieth Year
My wife and I have had a very productive week here and in Tux Machines
Links 14/11/2025: Sleep Research, France to Suspend Pension 'Reform' Law, and Linux Foundation's Latest Openwashing
Links for the day
Gemini Links 14/11/2025: KDE vs XFCE and Leaving the Web
Links for the day
Google Admits It Lost Control of Slop (While Google Itself is Selling Slop, Currently Under the Name "Gemini" Instead of "Bard")
Slop is nothing to be celebrated
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Thursday, November 13, 2025
IRC logs for Thursday, November 13, 2025
Mozilla Handed Over Control Over Firefox to Microsoft, Now Firefox is Preloaded With Microsoft Spyware and It's Proprietary
Who would still want to download Firefox?
Slopwatch: LinuxSecurity, Brian Fagioli, and WebProNews
becoming a slopfarm is a site's suicide
"Sponsored Posts" in The Register MS
That's The Register MS in 2025
IBM RAs in India (Apparently)
IBM is a bad place to work
Another Richard Stallman Talk in Two Days
His talk will be a remote talk, as he won't be travelling to Argentina
Links 13/11/2025: "Fight for Control Over In-Car Technology" and "Climate Crisis is a Health Crisis"
Links for the day
Gemini Links 13/11/2025: Disbelief in the Moon Landings and Doom That Came to Scrolling
Links for the day
A Month After "End of 10" analytics.usa.gov Says More People Use Vista 7 Than Use Vista 11
Does it get any more pathetic than this?
Links 13/11/2025: Ghost (E-mails) of Jeffrey Epstein Chases Cheeto, Uproar Over SLAPP Threats Against British Broadcasters
Links for the day
IBM Layoffs Seem to Have Reached Europe
Is it Europe's turn to fall on its sword?
A Lot of What's Left of the Online "Media" is Paid-for SPAM
How much of online media can people still trust?
Synopsys, Which Controls a Microsoft FUD Operation (Black Duck), to Lay Off Hundreds of Workers
Microsoft had plenty of layoffs this year, well over 30,000 in total, including at least two waves of layoffs last month
The EPO Has Spent Years Attacking European Media, Led by a Cocaine Addict (the EPO's Spokesperson)
The EPO silences critics
Prominent German Media Dares Not Mention Cocaine at the European Patent Office, Germany's "Cash Cow" (Seller of Monopolies for the Whole of Europe)
It seems like a case of the corrupt hiring the corrupt to bully those who speak about the corruption
Techrights Protects Against Collective Amnesia (Forgetting History the Rich and Powerful Want Us to Forget or be Misled About)
Keeping full access to our material with a good search facility is a priority for us
Mainstream Media Compliments Techrights on Its Work
Google isn't "the Web" and this site isn't "the Web" either
Microsoft-Sponsored FSFE is Exploiting the Success of Jean-Baptiste Kempf to Market Itself and Its GAFAM-Funded Messaging (While Pretending to be "FSF" Europe)
No doubt Jean-Baptiste Kempf accomplished a lot (not limited to VLC) in not so many years
A Week of Techrights Search
Tomorrow it'll be one week since we turned 19
LLMs Will Never Work, You Need to Type What You Know
Voice recognition is too imprecise to be practical or really save any time if you can type fast
Your Computers Are Work and Entertainment Tools, Not a Fashion Statement
If you're into fashion, find another job or keep cruft out of the workplace
The Federation? Almost 90% of Its Users Have Quit Participating.
If one counts offline (historic) instances, it's even worse than this
Under IBM, Red Hat Isn't a Linux Company, It's Sold to Clients as "AI Company"
IBM is sacrificing Red Hat for Wall Street (share price)
IBM Will Carry on or Carry Out Mass Layoffs Until Tomorrow, Based on Unverified Claim (Silent Layoffs Under Secrecy Clauses/Deals)
Red Hat (as a "company" with a Web site) will probably never announce layoffs again
It Looks Like Microsoft is Really Abandoning XBox (the Brand "XBox" Means Just an Online "Games Store" or Streaming)
Published last night
The Register MS Has Just Taken Money to Promote Microsoft Windows Under the Guise of "HEY HI" (AI)
Just 'consume' the ads disguised as "journalism" at The Register MS
Apple is Waning, Shows Data (Web Stats)
Is Apple doing as well as Apple-sponsored (paid to run Apple ads) claims?
IBM is a Buzzwords Vendor
Does anyone even pay attention to anything IBM promises these days?
It's Patently False That Apple Has Avoided Layoffs
be sceptical of people who say Apple hasn't got layoffs
IRC.com is Vendor-Locked (Freenode)
Web client
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, November 12, 2025
IRC logs for Wednesday, November 12, 2025
Slopwatch: Spam, Scams, and Plagiarised Information Synthesis Systems (LLMs)
The way things are going, LinuxSecurity might become entirely inactive
IBM "Trying to Memory Hole the RA With Positive News."
it's clear they have no real plan, just vapourware
Gemini Links 13/11/2025: Pictures From the Aurora and Cryptography of the Internet
Links for the day