Bonum Certa Men Certa

Fedora (Re)Starts Discussing Plan to Delete GitHub (Quit Microsoft Dependence)

Video download link | md5sum 29c28d5246b753a89f1de4eb04f6e357



Summary: There's active debate about whether or not Fedora can (and should) self-host its Git projects; it's well overdue and it's time to do it

A COUPLE of weeks ago we revisited the sad situation of Fedora Project being a prisoner of Microsoft, not just IBM [1, 2] (the context or the focus being "master" branch*). It harms the credibility of the project, which already lost a lot of the volunteers (the actual community, not IBM staff "100% of the time"). What IBM did to CentOS a year ago** was an eye-opener; why would it treat Fedora any better than CentOS?



"IBM announced its takeover of Red Hat the same year Microsoft announced its takeover of GitHub."I've used Fedora many times before. I used the first and second releases and then I occasionally used it again over the years. Long term too, for years at a time... so I truly care about how IBM assassinates the community, including long timers whose name I've known for over a decade. What is IBM hoping to accomplish?

IBM announced its takeover of Red Hat the same year Microsoft announced its takeover of GitHub. Why hasn't IBM helped distance Fedora from GitHub? We wrote about the subject many times before and since then many alternatives to GitHub have either emerged or evolved to the point of feature parity. Even over Gemini Protocol we have more and more options (Git over Gemini clients instead of Web browsers).

"It's hard to tell why Miller is so pessimistic."IBM's Miller likes to pretend that there's nothing they can do, but this new in-depth article from LWN says "Catanzaro was unconvinced by Miller's assertion that Fedora could not run its own open-source GitLab instance."

What baloney! To quote: "If GNOME and KDE and freedesktop.org and Debian and Purism can all do it, I'm pretty sure Fedora can too."

Of course it can. But maybe there's a lack of will because of back room deals of Microsoft and IBM? Just like in the days of ODF vs OOXML wars? It's hard to tell why Miller is so pessimistic. Heck, we've crafted our very own 'CMS' for Git @ Techrights and we're just a couple of people. Surely IBM has far more resources (money and people) than us... ______ * For Git, the word "master" has long been a convenient convention that made branch names predictable. Now that IBM looks to eradicate it some choose "dev" and "devel" instead (inconsistent), which is also confusing because "dev" typically means "test" in conjunction with "live". So they're harmed clarify, increased confusion, and raised the access barrier, making adoption of Git even harder and some literature obsolete (bad for poor people who can only afford old books and bad for the environment). ** Even IBM seemed to regret what it had foolishly done, seeing it obky led to more clones of RHEL. Not to mention growing disdain and distrust when it comes to IBM.




Addendum: XFaCE has produced a better and more clearly-phrased version of the same article.

A COUPLE of weeks ago we revisited the Fedora Project and it being held prisoner by Microsoft in addition to IBM/Red Hat. [1, 2] Focusing on non-issues such as the "problematic" naming of the “master” branch further compromises the credibility of an already compromised project, one that has already lost a lot of real community volunteers (not re-assigned IBM staff “100% of the time”). IBM's decimation of the CentOS project a year ago** is proving a harbinger of its current neglect and mismanagement of Fedora.

I’m a recurring Fedora user, having deployed the initial and second releases full-time with occasional usage over the years for long periods of time. It pains me how IBM alienates the community, including long timers whose names I’ve known for over a decade. What productive good is IBM hoping to accomplish?

IBM announced its takeover of Red Hat the same year Microsoft announced its own acquisition of GitHub. Since then IBM has not raised a figure to distance Fedora from GitHub and its now Microsoft-controlled infrastructure. This is especially glaring given the many feature-parity GitHub alternatives that have emerged from that time until now. Many Gemini-based options have even been developed, forgoing web browser-based environments in favour of Gemini clients.

IBM’s Miller presents the narrative that the GitHub lock-in is beyond IBM's control, but this is contradicted by a new in-depth article from LWN, which states that “Catanzaro was unconvinced by Miller’s assertion that Fedora could not run its own open-source GitLab instance”.

Catanzaro noted the obvious that “If GNOME and KDE and freedesktop.org and Debian and Purism can all do it, I’m pretty sure Fedora can too.”

Of course IBM has the resources and the ability to wean off the GitHub teet, but is held back by an apparent lack of will. Given the current incestuous state of Linux Foundation-linked companies, we can safely speculate that back room deals between Microsoft and IBM play a role, just like in the days of ODF vs OOXML wars and the many corrupted parties. Without that context it’s hard to understand why Miller would be so pessimistic. Heck, we’ve crafted our very own ‘CMS’ for Git at TechRights despite being a couple of people. Surely IBM is capable of far more with vast capital and employee resources… ⬆ ______ * For Git the word “master” has long been a convenient convention that mad branch names predictable. Now that IBM looks to eradicate it, some have chosen “dev” and “devel” instead inconsistently. There is also further confusion of “dev” typically means “test” in contrast to a "production" state. IBM's antics here have harmed clarity, increased confusion, and raised the access barrier to Git adoption. Much documentation and other literature on the subject is becoming obsolete (detrimental for fiscally-constrained people who can only afford old books and bad for the environment). ** Even IBM seemed to regret what it had foolishly done given the plethora of RHEL forks. This is in addition to the disdain and distrust tarnishing IBM's reputation.

Recent Techrights' Posts

The Linux Foundation (Fronting for Microsoft and Bill Gates, Not Linux) Makes Cyberspace Less Secure
Security is not the goal
[Meme] The Most Important Things When Committing Crimes
pronouns
Materialistic Culture of Fake Possessions and Fake Popularity
Fake popularity is part of a "chicken and egg" thing
 
Links 28/11/2024: Pakistan Turmoil, TuxCare Changes, and More 'Open'AI Problems
Links for the day
Links 28/11/2024: Privacy, DNS, and Python
Links for the day
[Meme] When Social Control Media is Over
Any deathbed regrets?
Death of Human Interaction
How much are future generations being "damaged" by premature introduction of skinnerboxes and, perhaps more importantly, is there any "safe" age?
Dr. Andy Farnell: "Electronic Voting" is a Solution to a Problem That Doesn't Exist
The arguments are similar to ones that we've made for years
Deny the Shopping Holiday, Celebrate the Real Holiday
Buy Nothing Day
The EPO's General Consultative Committee (GCC) Meeting Last Month Sought to Remove Genders (But It's Nearly Impossible in French and German)
there are so many major problems at the EPO; this one seems like a minor distraction and perhaps one that suits corrupt management (misdirection of anger)
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, November 27, 2024
IRC logs for Wednesday, November 27, 2024
Links 27/11/2024: “Writing Month”, "Cybertorture", and Qualcomm Trouble
Links for the day
Gemini Links 27/11/2024: How the Exoteric Relates to the Esoteric, a Look at BASIC
Links for the day
If the Reputation of the European Union for Rule of Law Has Diminished, Blame EPO and the German (Also the Dutch) Government for Facilitating It
We'll soon publish some new EPO material
[Meme] Same Thing, Different Job Title
"Server sysadmin; Clown computing consultant"
Imagine Patents on Musical Compositions and Cooking Recipes
The very existence of software patents must come to an end
"Latest Technology News" in BetaNews is Press Release SPAM (or LLM Slop, Marketing, Fake 'Review')
What they call "reviews" are just ads
[Meme] Kramer is Done
Devuan is turning 10
There Are More Devuan-Based Distros of GNU/Linux Each Year
"The Veteran Unix Admin collective salutes you"
Go Offline for a Bit
yup!
Windows Falls to All-Time Low (12%) in Gabon
Gabon's data from statCounter shows this
[Meme] When Words Come to Mean the Opposite
"Keep the 'dumb' stuff, be smart about it"
In Defence of Analog (Sometimes Digital and/or "Smart" is Objectively a Lot Worse)
This past weekend (2-3 days) I spent a few hours per day saving us 250 - 400 pounds in repair bills
It Takes Microsoft Over a Day to Restore 'Microsoft 365' (360, 5 Days of Downtime)
Microsoft/Windows TCO will always be huge
[Meme] In Some Countries, Android (Linux) is Already 'the Standard'
"Wait. Sorry, we don't do Windows here, we barely use laptops."
In Gambia, According to statCounter, Windows "Market Share" is Down to 3%
in some countries Windows is already down to 1%
In Defence of CDs...
Let's say that some environmentalists focus only on visible things like plastics
This Holiday Season Dump Companies That Offload Everything to Skinnerbox "Apps", Un-Encrypted E-mail, and 'Webapps' (Proprietary JS Applications in 'Web Site' Clothing)
bot disservice
The Web is Becoming Social Control Media Junk and Fake Text Crafted by Machines (Boosted by Social Control Media via Bots Which Game Visibility/Popularity)
The misinformation machines are being increasingly automated to promote dictators and bigots
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, November 26, 2024
IRC logs for Tuesday, November 26, 2024
When Social Control Media in the European Union is Controlled by BRICS
Who controls TikTok?
Links 27/11/2024: Zoom Waning (Stock Falls), More Microsoft Shutdowns, and European Commission Flags Bluesky for Breaches
Links for the day
Gemini Links 26/11/2024: Disease, Vibrations, and Grief
Links for the day
Links 26/11/2024: Microsoft 360 Users Report Outages, Attacks on Journalists Plentiful Worldwide
Links for the day
Same Month Judge Suggests Selling Chrome (Compelling Google to Give It Away) Chrome Surpasses Two-Thirds of "The Market", Based on Surveyor
tackling Google's browser monoculture is still a priority
[Meme] Trying to Terrorise Critics
How Microsofters roll...
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
If you try to suppress our publication, we'll not just bark back but also bite
Why This Site Became "Simple" a Year Ago
Light is good, heavy is bad
Over at Tux Machines...
GNU/Linux news for the past day
IRC Proceedings: Monday, November 25, 2024
IRC logs for Monday, November 25, 2024
Links 26/11/2024: International Microsoft Outages, Microsoft Mass Layoffs Bigger Than Reported Last Friday
Links for the day, Deutsche Welle and CBC focus
Gemini Links 26/11/2024: Not Pagan, Emacs Wiki, and More
Links for the day