| PetoKraus | i'd say, old news | Jan 29 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | President to Muslim World: "Americans are not your enemy" < http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog_post/Preside... > Well done to him...... | Jan 29 00:01 |
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| PetoKraus | it was /.ted like half a day ago | Jan 29 00:01 |
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| PetoKraus | but it's good news | Jan 29 00:01 |
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| schestowitz | I saw it before too (about a day ago) | Jan 29 00:02 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, dont know.. | Jan 29 00:02 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, he went offline b4 I could ask | Jan 29 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | Windows Mobile Bluetooth vulnerability allows access to any files < http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/122502 > | Jan 29 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Jan 29 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | Good publicity for Ogg: Ogg and Friends Challenge Flash < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158479/o... > | Jan 29 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, neighborlee ever seen Miguel using Ogg anywhere? It's like he hates it or ssomething... always .NET, WMV and XAML for him.......... | Jan 29 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | Doug says: ""Could you point me to anything on COLA that is going to advance anyone's knowledge on anything. Oh, did you notice that comes article that specifically mentions DLL hell, something fuddie always said didn't exist..."" | Jan 29 00:08 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, hmm I honestly dont know much about miguel really..other than few things I know from boycottnovell | Jan 29 00:09 |
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| neighborlee | schestowitz, well,,that he 'resisted' mono and now is fully behind it..thats the oddest thing imho about him | Jan 29 00:09 |
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| neighborlee | so,,him not doing ogg, is not much of a surprise ;) | Jan 29 00:09 |
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| schestowitz | Weird.. why is an MS MVP ordering Linux....? Waiting for the HP Mini Mi Edition with Linux < http://www.geekzone.co.nz/freitasm/6167 > | Jan 29 01:16 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft employee committed suicide. http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/micro... | Jan 29 02:06 |
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| schestowitz | nn | Jan 29 02:06 |
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| schestowitz | The second picture is funny: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... | Jan 29 09:26 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Jan 29 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | Everything is good so far this week and we've made it into many front pages, which means that the message gets across. Soon enough we ought to do more Comes exhibits.. | Jan 29 10:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mH9_2QQtU... | Jan 29 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | Sounds like Microsoft.. :-) | Jan 29 11:06 |
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| amarsh04 | schestowitz - good succinct point putting the gnu.org link in the ostatic comments | Jan 29 11:09 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks, glad you noticed | Jan 29 11:10 |
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| amarsh04 | I found out today that if our state ambulance service gets incorrect address information from the 000 service, that instead of sending a discrepancy report to the people responsible for maintaining the location database of fixed telephones for when people call the 000 emergency number, they do nothing | Jan 29 11:13 |
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| schestowitz | This is interesting stuff: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=wlOwMU8R... | Jan 29 11:14 |
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| amarsh04 | needless to say, I've emailed our state emergency services minister about it | Jan 29 11:14 |
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| schestowitz | About EDGI? | Jan 29 11:15 |
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| amarsh04 | about our ambulance service not even bothering to get incorrect address information associated with a telephone number corrected as they are supposed to do | Jan 29 11:17 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, I missed that last message (didn't notice it) | Jan 29 11:18 |
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| amarsh04 | EDGI is a tougher nut to crack. Our state education minister and most education department bureaucrats are in some kind of "cost effectiveness" mantra rather than the gnu education stance. I should just send them a printed copy of the gnu statement | Jan 29 11:19 |
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| amarsh04 | must get some sleep in a minute | Jan 29 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | Still fever(ish)? | Jan 29 11:20 |
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| amarsh04 | today we had our record highest daily minimum temperature 33.9 C (over 93 F) | Jan 29 11:21 |
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| zer0c00l | temperature is bit high in kerala? | Jan 29 11:22 |
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| amarsh04 | over 100 F maximums forecast for the next week | Jan 29 11:22 |
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| amarsh04 | I'm sure that it gets hot over there zer0c00l, but I'm in "temperate" Adelaide, South Australia | Jan 29 11:22 |
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| zer0c00l | oh | Jan 29 11:23 |
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| zer0c00l | i thought you are from kerala | Jan 29 11:23 |
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| schestowitz | I'd like to visit Kerala one day. | Jan 29 11:24 |
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| zer0c00l | yeah its a great holiday spot in india | Jan 29 11:26 |
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| zer0c00l | will they remove existing gnu/linux installations there if they go with EDGI of M$? | Jan 29 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know. | Jan 29 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | What's the situation there re: dumping? | Jan 29 11:27 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz : same dumping here...Even universities dump students with M$ products | Jan 29 11:28 |
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| zer0c00l | i have created a blog against this mess http://annauniv-tamilnadu.blogspot.com/ | Jan 29 11:28 |
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| zer0c00l | it | Jan 29 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | It turns out to start here... http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bbv4QDaXdI4 | Jan 29 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: have you protested against those who get corrupted by the money (lackeys/foreigners)? | Jan 29 11:32 |
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| schestowitz | Don't blame just the umbrella (it's the shadow just sheltering those responsible). Find your way to individual cronies because individuals can be persuaded, not an evasive image or name. | Jan 29 11:32 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz : no i dont know any information about those corrupts | Jan 29 11:34 |
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| zer0c00l | i am a ordinary student of that university | Jan 29 11:34 |
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| zer0c00l | i am thinking of gathering information | Jan 29 11:34 |
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| zer0c00l | definitely there's some thing wrong with the university | Jan 29 11:34 |
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| zer0c00l | sure schestowitz | Jan 29 11:34 |
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| schestowitz | Try it. | Jan 29 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | Ask people question. Who is Microsoft negotiating with? | Jan 29 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | Is it the leftist government they flirt with? | Jan 29 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | What's the gain (personal) to those involved? | Jan 29 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | Nokia chooses wage slavery over the status quo: http://www.pcworld.com/article/158548/nokia_outsourc... (Nokia Outsources Desktop Management to India's HCL) | Jan 29 11:57 |
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| zer0c00l | i found a guy , his name is kenneth and is a member of NRC foss, which is responsible for making the curriculum more open and vendor neutral ..but he does nothing..i have to gather evidence against him before i start protesting | Jan 29 11:59 |
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| zer0c00l | they evade public criticism by introducing foss as an elective http://nrcfosshelpline.in/code/wiki/F... | Jan 29 11:59 |
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| zer0c00l | when some one asks there is no foss related things in the syllabus, they will show this elective subject | Jan 29 12:00 |
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| zer0c00l | electives are mostly chosen by faculties than students | Jan 29 12:00 |
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| zer0c00l | very unfortunate situation here | Jan 29 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: he could be influenced by someone | Jan 29 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | If they changed the curriculum, ask him why. | Jan 29 12:00 |
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| schestowitz | These autocrats are often out for personal gain, unless they are watched (that's where transparency comes into play | Jan 29 12:01 |
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| schestowitz | Dodo-isation of proprietary software: With Global Revenue Dropping, Symantec Posts Big Loss < http://www.pcworld.com/article/158526/with_gl... > | Jan 29 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | This further enforcers the belief that methods alone should be taught, never products. Products come and go, much like knowledge. It's skills that stay. | Jan 29 12:03 |
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| schestowitz | "Blaming the recession, Capgemini asks contractors to work with their agencies to cut rates. Aspire is CapGemini's outsourcing deal with Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs - it cut 600 jobs on the contract back in late 2007." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/... | Jan 29 12:07 |
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| schestowitz | Good quote here: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/01/26/ot-did-karl-... | Jan 29 12:18 |
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| *schestowitz goes back to some Comes exhibits... | Jan 29 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Reader says: "How they must hate having these emails come to light in such public ways. It seems like there's no point too low for them to stoop when it comes to protecting their (ahem) assets. They sometimes seem bumbling and clueless, but they also seem a little scary at times. I'm finding the 'turfers and trolls on Digg to be especially creepy." | Jan 29 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | "Haven't had much time to visit Digg lately, but I try to check in at least once a day and spread a few diggs around, but anymore it seems like I spend more time burying ugly troll-turfers. I try to comment when I can, but I'm not really very good at it... " | Jan 29 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/28/news/com... "The Russian prime minister tells the Dell CEO: 'We don't need help. We are not invalids.'" | Jan 29 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | "Putin's withering reply to Dell: "We don't need help. We are not invalids. We don't have limited mental capacity." The slapdown took many of the people in the audience by surprise. Putin then went on to outline some of the steps the Russian government has taken to wire up the country, including remote villages in Siberia." | Jan 29 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | " One last chance to save mankind [...] Your work on atmospheric chlorofluorocarbons led eventually to a global CFC ban that saved us from ozone-layer depletion. Do we have time to do a similar thing with carbon emissions to save ourselves from climate change?" http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126... | Jan 29 12:42 |
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| schestowitz | "Khaled El Masri has sued the government of Macedonia for handing him over to the CIA for torture." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-feb.html#... | Jan 29 12:45 |
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| schestowitz | We made it into the Linux Today front page again..... | Jan 29 12:47 |
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| Eruaran | hullo | Jan 29 14:27 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, what's up? | Jan 29 14:27 |
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| Eruaran | I just finished posting a rant on Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols blog at computerworld | Jan 29 14:29 |
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| Eruaran | I got fed up | Jan 29 14:29 |
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| Eruaran | I dont think it has come up yet... maybe its too long | Jan 29 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, don't feed his KDE rants | Jan 29 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | Focus on the positives. | Jan 29 14:31 |
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| Eruaran | comparing free software to windows 7... I mean geez | Jan 29 14:32 |
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| Eruaran | the idiot actually complained kde4 needed a more pluggable interface... seriously, what the hell is he talking about... is there another shell on the planet that gives you more of that kind of power ? | Jan 29 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | This could be an AstroTurf/guerrilla marketing: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Campa... | Jan 29 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: re: comparisons, SJVN hardly cares about Freedom | Jan 29 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | I'm sort of friends with him, but he never seemed to care so much about the patent deals. | Jan 29 14:35 |
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| schestowitz | He's what you might call a "pragmatist" (i.e. all rights be damned as long as it Works(R)). He comes from UNIX, so... | Jan 29 14:35 |
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| Eruaran | releasewindows7.com... from the same people who brought you Mojave | Jan 29 14:36 |
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| schestowitz | what does whois say? | Jan 29 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | It sends messages like "Windows 7 is polished"; "people love Windows 7"... it drips like the "letters from dead people" tactic. | Jan 29 14:38 |
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| Eruaran | exactly | Jan 29 14:38 |
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| schestowitz | "...Paul Thurrott..." | Jan 29 14:39 |
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| Eruaran | Its DNA has "Microsoft Marketting" stamped on it | Jan 29 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | Registrant: | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | volum LLC | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Domain Name: RELEASEWINDOWS7.COM | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Domain servers in listed order: | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | DNS1.MIDPHASE.COM | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | DNS2.MIDPHASE.COM | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| wasabi | It's also possible people like Windows 7. | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| wasabi | Just sayin. | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, but... | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Why run a campaign for it? | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | Self gain? | Jan 29 14:40 |
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| wasabi | Same reason people run campaigns for all sorts of stupid stuff. | Jan 29 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.betterwhois.com/ | Jan 29 14:41 |
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| schestowitz | wasabi: for a private tyranny? | Jan 29 14:41 |
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| wasabi | schestowitz: Not everybody agrees that that is what it is. | Jan 29 14:41 |
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| wasabi | You know, the vast majoirty of people 'don't care'. | Jan 29 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | People campaign for right and stuff, with the exception of Apple fans | Jan 29 14:42 |
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| wasabi | ANd a smaller minority of them 'like it.' | Jan 29 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | wasabi: liking it is passive | Jan 29 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | But i'm just checking | Jan 29 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft has many such campaigns | Jan 29 14:42 |
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| wasabi | They use google-analytics on their page. | Jan 29 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | Like anti-VMware sites (it hired an agency t attack them) | Jan 29 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | In Europe it created lobbying platforms like voicesforinnovation.org ... for software patents.. created quietly.. by mcirosoft. | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Registrant: | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | volum LLC | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | 215 Oxford Dr. | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Franklin, Tennessee 37064 | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | United States | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Domain Name: RELEASEWINDOWS7.COM | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Created on: 18-Jan-09 | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Expires on: 18-Jan-10 | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Last Updated on: 18-Jan-09 | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Administrative Contact: | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Poe, Kelly kelly@volummonster.com | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | volum LLC | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | 215 Oxford Dr. | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Franklin, Tennessee 37064 | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | United States | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | (937) 409-4040 | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Technical Contact: | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Poe, Kelly kelly@volummonster.com | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | volum LLC | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | 215 Oxford Dr. | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Franklin, Tennessee 37064 | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | United States | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | (937) 409-4040 | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | Domain servers in listed order: | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | DNS1.MIDPHASE.COM | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | DNS2.MIDPHASE.COM | Jan 29 14:43 |
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| schestowitz | What is Volum doing? | Jan 29 14:44 |
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| wasabi | Sure, but that stuffs not surprising. | Jan 29 14:44 |
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| wasabi | Happens for pork. | Jan 29 14:44 |
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| wasabi | If it's nefarious, then you have to consider many players other than MS nefarious. | Jan 29 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | I do. | Jan 29 14:46 |
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| schestowitz | It's the year of Ox. Don't buy any bullshit < http://www.advogato.org/a... > | Jan 29 14:47 |
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| wasabi | Oh, well, ok. | Jan 29 14:47 |
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| schestowitz | I'm doing some lookups just to be sure | Jan 29 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | You must always assume they have some interests. Even those who we are supposed to respect... like centralised 'authorities' | Jan 29 14:48 |
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| wasabi | Sure. That's a safe assumption. | Jan 29 14:48 |
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| wasabi | But it's not a suprising assumption. | Jan 29 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | Take BSI for example. I have it well documented that the BSI is likely corrupt like many similar institutions that are controlled and run by private interests. BSI ought to be dismantled, if not merely reformed. It's really a private company. They also outsource the spying on people’s calls and E-mail in the UK. It's a sin to delegate such tasks to private tyrannies. | Jan 29 14:49 |
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| wasabi | BSI? | Jan 29 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | 'British' 'Standards' 'Institute' | Jan 29 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | Cronies for sale, AFAICT | Jan 29 14:49 |
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| Eruaran | releasewindows7.com appears and instantly Todd Bishop is dutifully reporting it on his Microsoft Blog | Jan 29 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=volummonster&tld=com | Jan 29 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | Registrant: | Jan 29 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | Volum, LLC | Jan 29 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com) | Jan 29 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | Domain Name: VOLUMMONSTER.COM | Jan 29 14:50 |
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| wasabi | Got me. I'm not British. | Jan 29 14:50 |
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| wasabi | me->work! | Jan 29 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: Almost each time I check these things I find the links I suspect | Jan 29 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | Last week it was T3 and Microsoft (vs IBM) | Jan 29 14:51 |
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| schestowitz | Later on the press chimed in too, spotting the very same relationship | Jan 29 14:51 |
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| Eruaran | Its basically an advertisement for releasewindows7.com encouraging the reader to go sign it | Jan 29 14:51 |
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| schestowitz | Well, Bishop *is* an advertiser for Microsoft, in essence. | Jan 29 14:51 |
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| schestowitz | All the MS bloggers have been 'rabidly' pro-Microsoft recently. They act as fans more like reporters, which is fair but worth noting. | Jan 29 14:52 |
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| Eruaran | I did a quote for someone at work today | Jan 29 14:54 |
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| Eruaran | They wanted to know how much the same computer would be with Windows and MS Office, with no software, and with Ubuntu | Jan 29 14:54 |
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| schestowitz | Weir wrote about this days ago | Jan 29 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | " * Dell Inspiron 530 with Microsoft Vista/Microsoft Office = $818.00 | Jan 29 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | * Dell Inspiron 530N with Ubuntu/OpenOffice = $428.00" | Jan 29 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/01/... | Jan 29 14:55 |
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| Eruaran | Yes, on the system I quoted today the customer will save around $300 if they go with Ubuntu | Jan 29 14:55 |
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| Eruaran | People suddenly care about that $300 more than they did six months ago | Jan 29 14:56 |
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| schestowitz | Infinite (imaginary) wealth is no more | Jan 29 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | I work on some quotes of my own :-) | Jan 29 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | It's not announced yet < http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.... >, but it's the third one that I set up in a third domain of mine. Wikemedia works better than anything I've tried in the past because it's very simple yet feature rich. A form of microblogging or notetaking is handy too. Think of it as a journal where we can collect and find links and thoughts and in this case lots of antitrust smoking guns.. | Jan 29 14:59 |
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| schestowitz | We started this Wiki some weeks ago and it's pretty valuable. But a Wiki is useful so long as it actually has a clear goal and outside contributors, so your help is required if you can spare some time. | Jan 29 14:59 |
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| Eruaran | I'm not sure where I'd start | Jan 29 15:01 |
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| schestowitz | We need texts from the PDFs mostly | Jan 29 15:13 |
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| schestowitz | Intel's anti-Linux needs lots of work: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/in... | Jan 29 15:14 |
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| trmanco | http://lwn.net/Articles/315804/ | Jan 29 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | Tuxmachines' IP/DNS binding is still bad | Jan 29 15:19 |
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| schestowitz | No word about it that I could find in there... not many people read it in the interim | Jan 29 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | Watch the graph (top): http://67.33.45.3/stats/us... | Jan 29 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | 24 183515 3.73% 150437 3.78% 111759 3.81% 15939 3.66% 8591 5.93% 1868441 3.80% 0 0.00% 0 0.00% | Jan 29 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://67.33.45.3/stats/index.html | Jan 29 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | KDE 4.2: I'm tired of Pundits, Here's MY Take < http://randomtechoutburst.blogspot.com/2009/0... > | Jan 29 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: "So as of today I say: Viva la KDE! I think 4.2 is a major milestone, and I'm already looking forward to screwing around with the 4.3 betas in a few months. The real innovators in FOSS software are not making stupid rants like this one, but are making SVN and git commits even as I type this. To them I say thank you, and only listen to the critics if they file properly documented bug reports!" | Jan 29 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | Still downplaying the OOXML crimes: http://www.adjb.net/post/SC-34-Me... | Jan 29 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | Part of the Microsoft cronies brigade... | Jan 29 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/6... Their engineers will hopefully do something useless to society by adding code to the GPL pool. | Jan 29 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/01/2... | Jan 29 15:52 |
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| schestowitz | wb, seller_liar | Jan 29 16:10 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: hello roy | Jan 29 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks for the help on the Wiki BTW | Jan 29 16:11 |
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| schestowitz | I'm gonna have to do lots more studying into Intel's dirty tricks/crimes | Jan 29 16:11 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Oh, but I have not finished | Jan 29 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | I've organised your/our work @ http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.ph... What's needed now is some analysis of the PDFs there. | Jan 29 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: true. | Jan 29 16:12 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Have you completed all days? | Jan 29 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | I finished 16 March, 2007 in http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-m... | Jan 29 16:12 |
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| schestowitz | I also uploaded all the PDFs (locally) one the ones you passed | Jan 29 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | March 17th onwards needed doing too | Jan 29 16:13 |
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| schestowitz | I'm also organising them as I go along, e.g. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/... | Jan 29 16:13 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Put the link of Iowa page here ,I 'll do some days. | Jan 29 16:15 |
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| schestowitz | Polizei entfernt Tibet-Flagge aus Davoser Geschäft - Police removed Tibetan flag from Davos business < http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&s... > | Jan 29 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: thanks a lot! | Jan 29 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-microsoft/text/ -- I've done all until March 16 including that date. So 17th onwards needs passing to pages in the Wiki | Jan 29 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | Later we can organise them in sequence and I'll upload the PDFs. | Jan 29 16:17 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: ok | Jan 29 16:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_tech/~3... " The researchers found that farmers who named their cows Betsy or Gertrude or Daisy improved their overall milk yield by almost 500 pints (284 liters) annually." Silly headline. | Jan 29 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | Alaska volcano expected to erupt soon < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TECH/science/01/29/alaska.volc... > | Jan 29 16:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/01/28/so... and http://www.pcworld.com/article/158554/a... about dangerous blogging. | Jan 29 16:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/29... "Michael Dell might think twice about dishing out a sales pitch to a world leader in the future after Russian prime minister Vladimir Putin very publicly dissed his patronising offer of help." | Jan 29 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft uses its partners to FUD main competitor: http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Tru... | Jan 29 16:36 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: 17,18,19 done | Jan 29 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Excellent! | Jan 29 16:49 |
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| schestowitz | Thank you | Jan 29 16:50 |
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| wasabi | I think the Dream is a great phone. I have one. But it certainly is missing a lot of things that make it usable for business-types. | Jan 29 17:18 |
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| wasabi | I'm a bit surprised they haven't been filled in yet, too. | Jan 29 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | I saw one too. | Jan 29 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | What is "business types"? | Jan 29 17:24 |
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| wasabi | people who want corporate calendars and email. | Jan 29 17:29 |
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| wasabi | and integrating with existing CRM systems, etc. | Jan 29 17:30 |
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| wasabi | I mean. I have one. It's my main phone. | Jan 29 17:30 |
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| wasabi | I have the android dev device. | Jan 29 17:30 |
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| wasabi | No remote kill switch either. | Jan 29 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | Are there no Web-based solutions to these? | Jan 29 17:46 |
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| schestowitz | Fennec by the way is allegedly slated for realse next week. Finally something to replace proprietary Opera | Jan 29 17:46 |
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| amarsh04 | off to work... | Jan 29 18:00 |
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| flyback | CANUCKS | Jan 29 18:00 |
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| flyback | CANUCKS | Jan 29 18:00 |
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| flyback | CANUCKS | Jan 29 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Jan 29 18:07 |
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| wasabi | schestowitz: Web based solutions to corporate email? No. You can't much have notifications with a browser. | Jan 29 18:31 |
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| wasabi | And a web based remote-kill makes no sense. :0 | Jan 29 18:31 |
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| schestowitz | You could install it locally on your server and customise it. | Jan 29 18:35 |
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| wasabi | Do what? | Jan 29 18:50 |
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| flyback | http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=097_1233174793 <--- YOU GO TO HELL AND YOU DIE MORONS | Jan 29 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | wasabi: install groupware on a server | Jan 29 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure about CRM. | Jan 29 19:14 |
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| wasabi | i don't think this conversation is going anywhere. you're missing my point. | Jan 29 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose you can't replace a full-blown PC with a phone | Jan 29 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | But the phone can be a substitute for some task while away | Jan 29 19:15 |
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| wasabi | I'm doing nothing more than saying that Android is not ready for the corporation, like WiMo and the iPhone are. | Jan 29 19:16 |
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| wasabi | That's all we're talking about. | Jan 29 19:16 |
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| wasabi | Or all we were talking about. | Jan 29 19:16 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I see the point | Jan 29 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | But Microsoft's AU partner said it was "not robuest" | Jan 29 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | *robust | Jan 29 19:18 |
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| wasabi | Depends what he means by robust. | Jan 29 19:18 |
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| wasabi | Also, he spends most of this time praising the iPhone. I don't really know hwo that is supposed to tie him to MS. | Jan 29 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, I noticed that | Jan 29 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jan 29 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | made loads of progress on the wiki | Jan 29 19:54 |
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| schestowitz | It's funny to see how Microsoft competes... mafia mentality like Abramoff | Jan 29 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | They used to assign what they called "Attack Groups" to attack potential rivals | Jan 29 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | Now they seem to call it "taskforces". Why compete or develop when you can set up teams whose aim is merely to attack (vandalise) smaller rivals? | Jan 29 19:57 |
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| wasabi | Seems reasonable to me. | Jan 29 19:58 |
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| twitter | "I'm doing nothing more than saying that Android is not ready for the corporation, like WiMo and the iPhone are." Windows Mobil is ready for what? | Jan 29 20:07 |
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| wasabi | Hmm? | Jan 29 20:12 |
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| twitter | What does Windows Mobil do for you that Android does not? | Jan 29 20:16 |
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| MinceR | it supports native apps | Jan 29 20:16 |
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| wasabi | <wasabi> people who want corporate calendars and email. | Jan 29 20:16 |
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| wasabi | and integrating with existing CRM systems, etc. | Jan 29 20:16 |
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| wasabi | I mean. I have one. It's my main phone. | Jan 29 20:16 |
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| wasabi | I have the android dev device. | Jan 29 20:16 |
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| wasabi | No remote kill switch either. | Jan 29 20:16 |
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| MinceR | the android kill switch applies only to apps bought from the android market or whatever it's called | Jan 29 20:17 |
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| wasabi | Not the same type of kill switch. | Jan 29 20:17 |
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| wasabi | WiMo lets me formate devices remotely when I fire somebody. | Jan 29 20:17 |
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| wasabi | Or when the device is reported stolen. | Jan 29 20:17 |
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| twitter | You are telling me that Google can't do calendars and email? That Windows Mobil does not have a kill switch? | Jan 29 20:17 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jan 29 20:17 |
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| MinceR | i didn't know about that kill switch | Jan 29 20:17 |
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| wasabi | Stuff like that has been on Blackberry for ages... and in the last two years WiMo has adopted it all. | Jan 29 20:18 |
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| wasabi | It's why it's valuable. It's why people buy them. | Jan 29 20:18 |
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| twitter | All non free software comes with explicit EULAs about "we can turn you off anytime for any reason" What company would disobey if told they could no longer use an ap? | Jan 29 20:18 |
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| wasabi | Push policies too. Forced email on phone encryption. | Jan 29 20:19 |
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| wasabi | I can push a policy to all my phones that if somebody enters the wrong password 4 times, it formats itself. | Jan 29 20:19 |
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| twitter | Somehow, I don't trust the "security" of a Windoze device that uses IE6. | Jan 29 20:20 |
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| wasabi | I can require applications that are installed on the phones to be signed by my CA. | Jan 29 20:20 |
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| twitter | a device that can't be hooked up to the net is not ready for anything. | Jan 29 20:21 |
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| MinceR | twitter: that's why you install opera on it | Jan 29 20:21 |
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| MinceR | :> | Jan 29 20:21 |
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| twitter | why not Familiar? | Jan 29 20:22 |
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| twitter | Angstrom, or any other OS? | Jan 29 20:23 |
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| wasabi | Because of all the stuff I justl isted? heh | Jan 29 20:24 |
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| MinceR | i'd like familiar but i need a device to run it on :> | Jan 29 20:30 |
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| PetoKraus | I think i'm gonna make a factory letter | Jan 29 20:30 |
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| PetoKraus | something on the lines of | Jan 29 20:30 |
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| PetoKraus | "dear webmaster. Your page is absolutely brilliant, but stop fucking using flash for navigation, you COCK!" | Jan 29 20:31 |
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| PetoKraus | and no, i'm not pissed off even at slightest | Jan 29 20:31 |
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| PetoKraus | these people should be forced to use Windows 95 without any sort of antivirus | Jan 29 20:31 |
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| PetoKraus | encapsulated in their own internets. | Jan 29 20:32 |
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| PetoKraus | haha! | Jan 29 20:32 |
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| PetoKraus | http://www.searchenginejournal.com/5-reaso... | Jan 29 20:32 |
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| twitter | http://content.usatoday.com/communities/the... | Jan 29 21:02 |
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| twitter | -> They can't be "digging a bigger hole even as (taxpapers are) being asked to fill it up!" <- Oh yes they did. | Jan 29 21:05 |
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| twitter | "Deadlines are Looming" ha ha. http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/2... | Jan 29 21:12 |
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| twitter | ha ha, http://news.slashdot.org/fire... | Jan 29 21:39 |
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| twitter | Vista 7 rejected by Georgetown. | Jan 29 21:39 |
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| seller_liar | twitter: Georgetown is a english or french country? | Jan 29 21:48 |
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| wasabi | Georgetown UIS says it will support the final version of Windows 7 after it's released and been thoroughly tested. | Jan 29 21:55 |
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| wasabi | ... why is that news? It's saying "don't install beta software" | Jan 29 21:56 |
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| seller_liar | twitter: Sorry city! | Jan 29 21:56 |
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| wasabi | What a silly article. They haven't banned it, either. | Jan 29 21:58 |
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| seller_liar | twitter: Guyana is a ex english colony | Jan 29 21:58 |
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| wasabi | They've published a warning telling people to watch out because things might break. | Jan 29 21:58 |
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| wasabi | Amazing. | Jan 29 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | wasabi: your risk is not format/no format | Jan 29 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Your risk are people, regardless of whether they got fired or not | Jan 29 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | twitter: DC is too corrupt to regulate. The DoJ is more of a legal brothel. RMS too mocks them. | Jan 29 22:21 |
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| wasabi | I have no idea what that means. | Jan 29 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | Just seen the article about FraudStreet. Nothing will change until people stand up for change. | Jan 29 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | wasabi: DoJ? | Jan 29 22:23 |
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| wasabi | What? | Jan 29 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Department of 'Justice' | Jan 29 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | /s/Justice/Cronies/ | Jan 29 22:25 |
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| wasabi | must build that | Jan 29 22:26 |
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| wasabi | Oops wrong window | Jan 29 22:26 |
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| wasabi | schestowitz: I never said anything about the DoJ. I really have no idea what you're talking about. | Jan 29 22:26 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe someone will invade to liberate the country from abusive selfish elites ;-) | Jan 29 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | wasabi: I was referring to the articles (links) posted here earlier | Jan 29 22:27 |
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| wasabi | I never commented on them. | Jan 29 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | I have. :-) | Jan 29 22:27 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Jan 29 22:28 |
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| PetoKraus | anyway | Jan 29 22:28 |
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| PetoKraus | i was thinking today (surprise surprise | Jan 29 22:28 |
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| PetoKraus | and i wrote about it in my blog, but since no one reads it... | Jan 29 22:28 |
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| PetoKraus | i was trying to figure out how could the system work without patents | Jan 29 22:28 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, the idea of a patent is fairly good | Jan 29 22:29 |
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| seller_liar | PetoKraus: No it's not | Jan 29 22:29 |
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| wasabi | I personally like patents. | Jan 29 22:29 |
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| PetoKraus | that is, the person who invents something would be able to cover the costs under the research | Jan 29 22:29 |
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| seller_liar | PetoKraus: No | Jan 29 22:29 |
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| PetoKraus | seller_liar: what | Jan 29 22:29 |
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| seller_liar | PetoKraus: If the person does not like to share,then do not publish the research | Jan 29 22:30 |
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| PetoKraus | it is kind of hard to do so | Jan 29 22:30 |
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| PetoKraus | if you invent new medication | Jan 29 22:30 |
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| PetoKraus | or something like that | Jan 29 22:30 |
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| wasabi | That's hwo the world was before patents. Now we have patents, and people can publish the research, to benefit people. | Jan 29 22:30 |
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| seller_liar | seller_liar: "Researchers" like IBM , research only for close the knowledge | Jan 29 22:31 |
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| PetoKraus | frankly, the pesticide industry is for example so cluttered, because of patents | Jan 29 22:31 |
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| seller_liar | PetoKraus: : "Researchers" like IBM , research only for close the knowledge | Jan 29 22:31 |
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| PetoKraus | on the other hand, the research is quite costly and required | Jan 29 22:31 |
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| PetoKraus | so i have been thinking this way | Jan 29 22:31 |
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| seller_liar | PetoKraus: Don t research | Jan 29 22:31 |
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| PetoKraus | cancel patents as they work today | Jan 29 22:31 |
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| PetoKraus | create government and industry subsidized research centres | Jan 29 22:31 |
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| wasabi | I happen to be pretty much okay with how they work today. | Jan 29 22:32 |
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| seller_liar | PetoKraus: Yes, for researching do like W3C | Jan 29 22:32 |
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| PetoKraus | similar way how for example bookmakers and lotteries fund back sports clubs | Jan 29 22:32 |
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| seller_liar | PetoKraus: There's no need for patents | Jan 29 22:32 |
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| PetoKraus | if you are not interested in what i have to say | Jan 29 22:32 |
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| PetoKraus | then say so frankly | Jan 29 22:32 |
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| PetoKraus | if yes | Jan 29 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | People who leverage patents to block others are happy with patents | Jan 29 22:32 |
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| seller_liar | PetoKraus: no sorry ,please continue | Jan 29 22:32 |
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| PetoKraus | then at least read what i write | Jan 29 22:32 |
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| PetoKraus | ofcourse patents as they work now are stupid | Jan 29 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | That's like saying (but overstrecthing) that slavery is good because it makes efficient work. | Jan 29 22:33 |
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| PetoKraus | in everything, not in software | Jan 29 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: can I patent this message? | Jan 29 22:33 |
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| PetoKraus | if there's medication available and someone is able to make it cheap | Jan 29 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | If not, why not? | Jan 29 22:33 |
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| PetoKraus | then it's his duty to do so, i'd say | Jan 29 22:34 |
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| wasabi | schestowitz: Your position is like saying we should not respect property rights. | Jan 29 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | schestowitz: there is no intellectual property. There are trademarks, copyrights, and patents | Jan 29 22:34 |
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| PetoKraus | therefore... if you split research and industry though | Jan 29 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | These are separate things | Jan 29 22:34 |
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| wasabi | All of which we call Intellectual Property. :0 | Jan 29 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | Each works different and has a different purpose | Jan 29 22:34 |
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| PetoKraus | wasabi: no we dont | Jan 29 22:34 |
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| PetoKraus | you may | Jan 29 22:34 |
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| PetoKraus | we dont | Jan 29 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | wasabi: no, that's a sound bite | Jan 29 22:35 |
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| wasabi | I do. My lawyers do. | Jan 29 22:35 |
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| wasabi | Every lawyer I've ever met with does. | Jan 29 22:35 |
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| wasabi | So.... | Jan 29 22:35 |
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| PetoKraus | so? | Jan 29 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Like calling counterfeiters pirates (people who rape and murder) | Jan 29 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | Property means something else. | Jan 29 22:35 |
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| wasabi | Words are not exclusively the property of Webster. | Jan 29 22:35 |
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| wasabi | They are the property of the common usage. | Jan 29 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | For example, when I say a word, I don't own it. | Jan 29 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | It's the movement of air that makes it | Jan 29 22:36 |
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| wasabi | What? | Jan 29 22:36 |
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| PetoKraus | the only thing i'd accept rights on are works of art and trademarks | Jan 29 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | Trademarks are recognition | Jan 29 22:36 |
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| PetoKraus | i'm not going to comment on copyrights, because that's a different story | Jan 29 22:36 |
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| wasabi | IP means something. It means something to me. It means something to industry. It means somethign to people. It is a word used to refer to many different things. | Jan 29 22:36 |
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| wasabi | But that doesn't mean it's improper to use it. | Jan 29 22:36 |
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| schestowitz | Copyrights are exact implementations or renditions | Jan 29 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Patents are thoughts | Jan 29 22:37 |
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| PetoKraus | wasabi: it's usage is improper though | Jan 29 22:37 |
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| wasabi | Copyrights are thoughts too. | Jan 29 22:37 |
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| wasabi | As soon as I read your exact implementation, it's protected by copyright, and I cannot express it as it exists in my head. | Jan 29 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | copyrights are too precise | Jan 29 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | They can't be replicated by accident | Jan 29 22:37 |
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| wasabi | It is a thought. | Jan 29 22:37 |
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| wasabi | Sure they can. | Jan 29 22:37 |
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| wasabi | That's why we have NDAs and clean rooms. | Jan 29 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Moreover, re copyrights, there's a snag | Jan 29 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | Everything we right is output based on input we typically get for free | Jan 29 22:38 |
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| wasabi | I have no idea what that means. | Jan 29 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Should my teachers bill me per idea that they teach me and I use? | Jan 29 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | What is 'commodity' knowledge? | Jan 29 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | The lamp was not 'invented overnight | Jan 29 22:38 |
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| PetoKraus | schestowitz: the 70 years old one | Jan 29 22:38 |
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| PetoKraus | but it depends on the country :P | Jan 29 22:38 |
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| wasabi | That's too far of an analogy. | Jan 29 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | It took the work on many people to lay the foundations | Jan 29 22:38 |
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| wasabi | It does not apply to the situation at hand. | Jan 29 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | Why not? | Jan 29 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | Have you paid for each thing you learned? | Jan 29 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | If a mate at the bar tells me about an idea, should I pay him for it? | Jan 29 22:39 |
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| wasabi | But peopel don't patent those. | Jan 29 22:40 |
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| wasabi | And I'm not advocating they do. | Jan 29 22:40 |
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| wasabi | Hence it's irrelevent. | Jan 29 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | What do you think about DNA/genome patents? | Jan 29 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | Can I own human forms? | Jan 29 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | If it, say... 'discover' them? | Jan 29 22:40 |
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| wasabi | I don't think you should be able to. | Jan 29 22:40 |
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| wasabi | To an extent. | Jan 29 22:40 |
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| wasabi | I think there is grey area here that needs to be worked out. | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| wasabi | Not just washed away. | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | In pharmaceuticals, work that many women did for hundreds of years were stolen and then labeled property of some company. It's very conventional to call it a sin if not a crime. | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| PetoKraus | in terms of patents | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd say they are ineffective | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| PetoKraus | and we should address the issue | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| PetoKraus | from scratch | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| seller_liar | PetoKraus: the final solution ,end of patents! | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | Good luck with that | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| PetoKraus | sure | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | They's like overthrowing a rotten government | Jan 29 22:41 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: The second solution | Jan 29 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | People don't give away the power they were granted | Jan 29 22:42 |
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| PetoKraus | but you need something instead | Jan 29 22:42 |
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| PetoKraus | that's the only problem | Jan 29 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | People don't just quit the government because they are corrupt | Jan 29 22:42 |
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| *ushimitsudoki1 has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) | Jan 29 22:42 |
| schestowitz | They need to be tosse | Jan 29 22:42 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Protect countries which already does not permit patents , | Jan 29 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | *d | Jan 29 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: that's why we keep sw patents out of the EU | Jan 29 22:42 |
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| PetoKraus | well | Jan 29 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | But American companies plant their 'cronies' in here to loot Europe | Jan 29 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | it's a typical routine of subversion from the inside | Jan 29 22:43 |
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| PetoKraus | as long as there is patents to any extent in europe | Jan 29 22:43 |
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| PetoKraus | it's not correct solution | Jan 29 22:43 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: And my worst fear is EUA trties to spread patents in other counrttries | Jan 29 22:43 |
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| PetoKraus | for anything, not only SW | Jan 29 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: it does | Jan 29 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Heard of Thiland | Jan 29 22:43 |
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| seller_liar | Using lobby , power and other things | Jan 29 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Some a-hole from the UK tried to shove pharama patents into Thailand | Jan 29 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | They want to loot other countries and blackmail with people's lives in stake | Jan 29 22:44 |
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| PetoKraus | you know, the main problem is | Jan 29 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Thailand was so angry 2 years ago they it gave no samples for other countries to 'study' and patent (to extort Thailand) | Jan 29 22:44 |
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| PetoKraus | common people don't know about these laws | Jan 29 22:44 |
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| PetoKraus | they are dumbed down by the term IP | Jan 29 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | We live in a sick society (equivocal) | Jan 29 22:44 |
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| schestowitz | Many people are ill | Jan 29 22:45 |
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| PetoKraus | for example, patents don't apply outside of the country. | Jan 29 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | And they are forced to pay people on armchairs to live | Jan 29 22:45 |
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| seller_liar | PetoKraus:A society where ethics and laws is not important | Jan 29 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | It's worse than slaverty | Jan 29 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | Some call it murder | Jan 29 22:45 |
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| PetoKraus | i bet I might be successful to sue someone plagiating my book even if he lives in us | Jan 29 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: of course not, consumerism counts | Jan 29 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | You work 8-6, then watch the adverts on the tube and are told what to think | Jan 29 22:46 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: But people must learn about ethics! | Jan 29 22:46 |
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| wasabi | I think things are fine. | Jan 29 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | The goal of maximisation of wealth at all means. And making money is being a good person. In such countries, the biggest heroes are those with most wealth | Jan 29 22:46 |
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| PetoKraus | wasabi: in which area | Jan 29 22:46 |
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| wasabi | in any area. | Jan 29 22:46 |
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| PetoKraus | right | Jan 29 22:46 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: People should have toi spend 10% free time to learn ethics | Jan 29 22:46 |
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| wasabi | take any area, and look at it 50 years ago. | Jan 29 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | *by all means | Jan 29 22:46 |
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| PetoKraus | yes? | Jan 29 22:46 |
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| *kapipi has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | Jan 29 22:47 |
| wasabi | or 100, or 150. | Jan 29 22:47 |
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| wasabi | The world has never been better. | Jan 29 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: you can't teach ethics | Jan 29 22:47 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: No? | Jan 29 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | Not as long as agenda and curricula are set by corporations. | Jan 29 22:47 |
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| PetoKraus | imagine now | Jan 29 22:47 |
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| PetoKraus | someone would have patented friedel-crafts acylation | Jan 29 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | The solution is regulations -- a state where the country tames the industry, not vice versa | Jan 29 22:47 |
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| PetoKraus | 30 years ago | Jan 29 22:47 |
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| schestowitz | People these days patent s maths tooo | Jan 29 22:48 |
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| PetoKraus | the patent would be slowly wearing off by now i guess (depends on the country) | Jan 29 22:48 |
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| PetoKraus | but it being such an important process | Jan 29 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | It's at stake because of Bilski, thankfully. | Jan 29 22:48 |
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| PetoKraus | you wouldn't have half of the stuff around you, literally | Jan 29 22:48 |
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| *ushimitsudoki (n=ushimits@p3175-ipad06yosemiya.okinawa.ocn.ne.jp) has joined #boycottnovell | Jan 29 22:48 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: And the most worst thing is the destruction of public domain | Jan 29 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Yes | Jan 29 22:49 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Sonny bono et al are pure lobby tactics | Jan 29 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Books are written about it | Jan 29 22:49 |
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| PetoKraus | it's the same with medications. We are just lucky patents weren't here back then | Jan 29 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | I think I posted a link in BN last night | Jan 29 22:49 |
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| PetoKraus | i mean, paracetamol had been discovered in 1886 | Jan 29 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Public domain equates to an infinite resource that renders the rest a commodity | Jan 29 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Things like Flickr kills not only 'professional' photographers but also COrbis, Gerry, jupitermedia, and so on. | Jan 29 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Wikipedia does much of the same to knowledge | Jan 29 22:50 |
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| PetoKraus | you know locking knowledge is stupid. Maybe except of works of art. | Jan 29 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Knowledge of certain kinds can't be owned | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | i tell you 5+5 is 10. but i tell you, that since I told you, you can't tell anyone else for 10 years | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | Things like an Atlas for example | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| seller_liar | PetoKraus:No , mickey must be free | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | People map the place, but they don't own Earth | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | seller_liar: in terms of art | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd say | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | Their rendition is theirs, not the object | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | non-commercial use? fuck off | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | commercial use? carry on and request royalties. | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | but what's commercial use, then. | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | There was a lawsuit against that new Tom Cruise film because of Hitler's globe (some guys who owns it uses copyrights) | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | :) | Jan 29 22:51 |
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| PetoKraus | valkyrie? | Jan 29 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | [opensuse-announce] KDE 4.2 in openSUSE | Jan 29 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | PetoKraus: yes | Jan 29 22:52 |
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| seller_liar | I was thinking ...... | Jan 29 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Glorification of war is back | Jan 29 22:52 |
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| PetoKraus | who'd watch tom cruise anyway | Jan 29 22:52 |
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| seller_liar | For protect the work against patents , there's no need to patent the work | Jan 29 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | I reckon there might be a war in the next decade. Too many stupid fascistic countires... | Jan 29 22:53 |
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| PetoKraus | Katie Cruise, that's different matter | Jan 29 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | I likes her in Dawson's Creek. | Jan 29 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | *liked | Jan 29 22:53 |
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| seller_liar | For protect a work, it's only need to register in some office | Jan 29 22:53 |
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| PetoKraus | well i liked her untill i had to listen to her | Jan 29 22:53 |
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| PetoKraus | that was just total fail | Jan 29 22:53 |
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| PetoKraus | she has such an annoying voice... | Jan 29 22:53 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Cruise is only a pawn , a very rich pawn | Jan 29 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | I watched the show so many times, but I don't know her real character | Jan 29 22:54 |
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| seller_liar | I don like stupid actors , they are very selfish | Jan 29 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Cruise supports Scientology | Jan 29 22:54 |
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| PetoKraus | i'd go even further to say | Jan 29 22:54 |
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| PetoKraus | cruise IS scientology | Jan 29 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | At least he protested ahead of the invasion of Iraq | Jan 29 22:54 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Actors does not do nothing agains bollywood | Jan 29 22:54 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: At cost of $$$$$ | Jan 29 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Same with singers | Jan 29 22:55 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Obama show uses taxes to pay stupid actors | Jan 29 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | If they speak out, they get the boot and the conglomerate goes out to some modeling agency to pick up a new girl who *might* be able to lip-synch | Jan 29 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | Obama is an actor | Jan 29 22:56 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: a Marionette | Jan 29 22:56 |
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| PetoKraus | i dunno what to think about him | Jan 29 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | He is a front man for the same government that has ruled for half a century | Jan 29 22:56 |
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| PetoKraus | i hope i won't have to think anything about him | Jan 29 22:56 |
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| PetoKraus | it'd be just good for him | Jan 29 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | Bush too was an actor | Jan 29 22:56 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: But it's better than cruel bush | Jan 29 22:57 |
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| PetoKraus | yeah, and a good one | Jan 29 22:57 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: But bush if far moire crazy ,and cruel | Jan 29 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | With the fake Texan accent, possible deliberate mispronunciations, the talks about rhe ranch in Texas and so on | Jan 29 22:57 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: Bush helped exxon and other oil companies killing people | Jan 29 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | ['poor' Bush attacked by all those filthy rich people who drink wine and eat frogs] | Jan 29 22:58 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: And whar angers me is the american people does not do nothing/ | Jan 29 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: but not killing American people | Jan 29 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | The selfish thinker is OK for those who vote for him | Jan 29 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | Merely being a reflection of another's personal intrests | Jan 29 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: television makes a barrier | Jan 29 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Ask twitter | Jan 29 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | He saw how his relatives get brainwashed. It's too easy to get carried away when the peer get mentally recruited by the television sets | Jan 29 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | *peers | Jan 29 22:59 |
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| *neighborlee has quit ("Leaving") | Jan 29 22:59 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: But internet can change this | Jan 29 23:00 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz: We need a boycottt planet!!!! | Jan 29 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Independent media is suppressed and in some cases shut down by the danger introduced by stronger libel law (esp. in the UK) | Jan 29 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: create one | Jan 29 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | There is a limit to one's capacity | Jan 29 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Or you can help me out in BN | Jan 29 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | We reach millions, so the more information we can deliver, the better | Jan 29 23:01 |
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| seller_liar | schestowitz:About wiki, have done some day? | Jan 29 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | George Soros: I made money from the Crisis < http://www.thomascrampton.com/uncategorized/ge... > | Jan 29 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Woohoo! So the looter rejoices | Jan 29 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | seller_liar: yes, thank you | Jan 29 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | See how I improved the front page | Jan 29 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | We can jointly compose things there. Eventually all to be published | Jan 29 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | As property crimes increase, more neighbors are on patrol < http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20090... > | Jan 29 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | Militias rise in the US | Jan 29 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/dev... Development of Arabic localized OpenOffice.org: help needed | Jan 29 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | LMAO: Six-year-olds fingerprinted by Britain < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf... > | Jan 29 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | Send them to Guatamala Bay and call it a day.:-D | Jan 29 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | *Guantanamo | Jan 29 23:06 |
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| PetoKraus | guatamala bay | Jan 29 23:08 |
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| PetoKraus | :D | Jan 29 23:08 |
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| schestowitz | I type fast | Jan 29 23:09 |
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| PetoKraus | Don't give a shit about the temperature in Guatemala | Jan 29 23:09 |
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| PetoKraus | Don't really see what all the fuss is about | Jan 29 23:09 |
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| PetoKraus | Ain't gonna worry about no future generations | Jan 29 23:09 |
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| PetoKraus | And I'm sure somebody's gonna figure it out | Jan 29 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Does Guatamala have a bay/beach? | Jan 29 23:09 |
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| PetoKraus | ---- Nine Inch Nails - Capital G | Jan 29 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Is that on the playlist in GB? | Jan 29 23:09 |
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| schestowitz | Sound torture? | Jan 29 23:09 |
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| PetoKraus | not really | Jan 29 23:09 |
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| PetoKraus | but yes | Jan 29 23:09 |
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| PetoKraus | ^^ it was different one | Jan 29 23:10 |
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| PetoKraus | i thought playlist in GB you meant some | Jan 29 23:10 |
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| PetoKraus | chart in UK | Jan 29 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guatamala | Jan 29 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | Yes, they have a shoreline | Jan 29 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | Two even... | Jan 29 23:10 |
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| PetoKraus | that doesn't mean they'd have a beach :P | Jan 29 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | Guatamala 'bays'... | Jan 29 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=mo... | Jan 29 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | http://misheli.image.pbase.com/u33/... | Jan 29 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | Is that a prison facility on the mole? ;-) | Jan 29 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | This one came up as well: | Jan 29 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | Guatamala Bay Gestapo: http://www.norceca.org/Campeonatos%20M-F%20Juve... | Jan 29 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/314826/ (Python slithers into Wesnoth) | Jan 29 23:13 |
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| twitter | "All of which we call Intellectual Property. :0" ha ha. We is wrong. Imaginary property is a government created thing for a specific purpose. Talking about copyright, patents and trade marks together is senseless, but you like Windows too... | Jan 29 23:17 |
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| twitter | "He saw how his relatives get brainwashed [by TV]." badly! | Jan 29 23:19 |
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| schestowitz | The TERROR~1 are wondering out in Washington DC's streets, scheming the assassinate the president, eh? | Jan 29 23:24 |
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| schestowitz | And Vietnam is an immediate threat to the American public, much like those nuclear weapons that Saddam can use to nuke England within 40 minutes. *rolls eyes* | Jan 29 23:25 |
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| schestowitz | We've just made a front pager in LT. Second in two days. :-D Give me some days to organise my notes and I'll do them by the truckload... http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/inde... | Jan 29 23:29 |
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| schestowitz | See http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1... there is a new scam which is related to the paid-for "recommends Vista" scam. Microsoft will try the same with Vista7. It hasn't any shame. | Jan 29 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | The denialists' propaganda is paying off: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8166 (Public Cooling on Global Warming) | Jan 29 23:36 |
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