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| Balrog_ | well I want to protect myself here :/ | Apr 20 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/... | Apr 20 00:00 |
| schestowitz | There's more like this, I investigated this in 2007 | Apr 20 00:00 |
| tacone | also posts are very short. kind of lazy advocate uh ? | Apr 20 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: protect identity? | Apr 20 00:01 |
| Balrog_ | not exactly, but I don't want to reveal much about certain people I talk about | Apr 20 00:01 |
| Balrog_ | (in public) | Apr 20 00:01 |
| Balrog_ | who knows who's looking at these logs | Apr 20 00:01 |
| tacone | stop this and go pm | Apr 20 00:01 |
| Balrog_ | tacone: I want to but "schestowitz: Balrog: better public" | Apr 20 00:02 |
| tacone | it was for both. just pm him | Apr 20 00:02 |
| tacone | it will be faster than discussing here. | Apr 20 00:02 |
| schestowitz | How to make GNOME more like mac OS X? Infect it with Microsoft, says this person: http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/200... | Apr 20 00:07 |
| tacone | i read that. | Apr 20 00:08 |
| silentivm | opening | Apr 20 00:08 |
| tacone | good post btw | Apr 20 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I seee... | Apr 20 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a kickback programme | Apr 20 00:08 |
| tacone | i wish gnome-do was c++/python | Apr 20 00:08 |
| schestowitz | If so, they should be slammed for it | Apr 20 00:09 |
| silentivm | I tried gnome-do once, couldn't stand it | Apr 20 00:09 |
| silentivm | even though, at the time, I didn't know it was Mono | Apr 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz | There's no room for marketing fear to sell stuff, but this is sometimes sone | Apr 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz | *done | Apr 20 00:09 |
| silentivm | and I don't find Mac OS X that cool, either | Apr 20 00:09 |
| tacone | gnome do is a strong product. period. | Apr 20 00:09 |
| silentivm | yes | Apr 20 00:09 |
| schestowitz | But Mac is CCCCCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOOOLL | Apr 20 00:09 |
| tacone | unless some one comes up with something better, then that's here to stay. | Apr 20 00:09 |
| tacone | Mac sucks, i can tell you first hand. | Apr 20 00:10 |
| schestowitz | GNOME-pooh | Apr 20 00:10 |
| tacone | gnome is better. | Apr 20 00:10 |
| silentivm | most of my friends swear for OS X, even though they have never used a Mac | Apr 20 00:10 |
| silentivm | just because they say it "looks cool", they want a Mac | Apr 20 00:10 |
| tacone | silentivm: put them on macosx for 2 hours, they'll change their mind and go back to windows. | Apr 20 00:11 |
| Balrog_ | I know people who bash OS X and Linux when they haven't tried it recently | Apr 20 00:11 |
| tacone | there's a reason why windows rules mac. | Apr 20 00:11 |
| silentivm | yep | Apr 20 00:11 |
| Balrog_ | tacone: you'll find that's the case 2-5% of the time | Apr 20 00:11 |
| tacone | if you have to choose between win jail and mac jail you'll often choose win jail. | Apr 20 00:12 |
| Balrog_ | and with app development, I can't ./configure, make, and make install on Windows | Apr 20 00:12 |
| Balrog_ | can do so on a Mac | Apr 20 00:12 |
| tacone | i was amazed to discover how much better was gnome. not jocking here. | Apr 20 00:12 |
| silentivm | seriously, I guess I would feel locked in OS X | Apr 20 00:12 |
| tacone | gnome just need to come out their stupid mentality. but it's already better. | Apr 20 00:12 |
| silentivm | I don't like visual eye candy | Apr 20 00:12 |
| tacone | try to burn a cd on a mac. | Apr 20 00:12 |
| Balrog_ | tacone: you mean an ISO? | Apr 20 00:13 |
| tacone | try to install iLife. | Apr 20 00:13 |
| tacone | yes I mean an Iso. complete mess. | Apr 20 00:13 |
| silentivm | but then, I'm an *box user... :) | Apr 20 00:13 |
| Balrog_ | disk utility does it very easily | Apr 20 00:13 |
| tacone | there are 2 ways to do that. and one doesn't work | Apr 20 00:13 |
| tacone | the other one sucks. | Apr 20 00:13 |
| Balrog_ | it can create iso as well, but calls it .cdr | Apr 20 00:13 |
| schestowitz | http://fraises.blogspot.com/20... Brown.. :-( | Apr 20 00:13 |
| Balrog_ | I use Disk Utility to burn iso images all the time, works every time | Apr 20 00:13 |
| tacone | Balrog: you're on macosx ? | Apr 20 00:14 |
| Balrog_ | some of the time, I am. | Apr 20 00:14 |
| Balrog_ | I use Gentoo other times | Apr 20 00:14 |
| tacone | ok. so you know the thing. | Apr 20 00:15 |
| Balrog_ | as well as Ubuntu and Fedora less often | Apr 20 00:15 |
| Balrog_ | yes. | Apr 20 00:15 |
| tacone | is that that better ? | Apr 20 00:15 |
| Balrog_ | is what better? | Apr 20 00:15 |
| tacone | macosx. than gnome. | Apr 20 00:15 |
| tacone | as a desktop environment. | Apr 20 00:15 |
| Balrog_ | heh, Mac OS X is a decent desktop environment because of a few features that others don't feel like implementing. Also because of Objective-C and Cocoa (AKA NEXTSTEP frameworks). There's GNUStep but it lacks maintainers. Yes, it has limitations, but it's much superior to windows | Apr 20 00:17 |
| Balrog_ | I use Xfce and GNOME otherwise | Apr 20 00:17 |
| tacone | how does it compares to gnome ? | Apr 20 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Email applications < http://www.emmajane.net/node/910 >. Linus still uses pine BTW. it has been EOLed for like a year | Apr 20 00:17 |
| tacone | emmajane zomg | Apr 20 00:17 |
| Balrog_ | Gnome is workable, but it compares to windows sort of. I prefer Qt over GTK+ though | Apr 20 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Qt ftw | Apr 20 00:18 |
| silentivm | I like Qt | Apr 20 00:18 |
| tacone | no | Apr 20 00:18 |
| Balrog_ | KDE4.2 is nice, but it's still somewhat unstable :/ | Apr 20 00:18 |
| tacone | how does gnome compares to macosx | Apr 20 00:18 |
| tacone | i never really gave macosx a real chance | Apr 20 00:18 |
| Balrog_ | meaning from user-end or programmer-end? | Apr 20 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu gives GNOME an 'ugly' reputation it does not desere, IMHO | Apr 20 00:18 |
| tacone | but i find it's cluncky | Apr 20 00:19 |
| tacone | and not well thought. | Apr 20 00:19 |
| tacone | end user | Apr 20 00:19 |
| tacone | usability. | Apr 20 00:19 |
| tacone | schestowitz: ? | Apr 20 00:19 |
| tacone | ugly rep ? suse looks horrible | Apr 20 00:19 |
| Balrog_ | well, for me it works well. Application-based switching is a big plus (for me) | Apr 20 00:19 |
| tacone | and fedora is no better than ubuntu, beside a better wallpaper | Apr 20 00:19 |
| balzac | They need someone who really understands software to be in a position of great authority at gnome | Apr 20 00:19 |
| balzac | someone who can axe the dumb ideas | Apr 20 00:20 |
| Balrog_ | cmd-tab to switch apps, cmd-` to switch windows | Apr 20 00:20 |
| tacone | balzac: they should stop being stupid hackers playing the smart-ass of the town | Apr 20 00:20 |
| balzac | their focus should be on usability | Apr 20 00:20 |
| balzac | decorative aspects should be a much lower priority | Apr 20 00:21 |
| tacone | balzac: it already is. | Apr 20 00:21 |
| Balrog_ | yes. | Apr 20 00:21 |
| tacone | but they assume to know everything on it | Apr 20 00:21 |
| tacone | and assume usability to be a good excuse for lazyness | Apr 20 00:21 |
| balzac | well, usability from the point of view of someone who really, really gets it. | Apr 20 00:21 |
| tacone | for them usability is 3 to 5 options in each window | Apr 20 00:21 |
| balzac | that means, keeping the marketing people who say "make it like apple, make it like windows" out of the action | Apr 20 00:22 |
| tacone | progressive discovery is accepted but never implemented. | Apr 20 00:22 |
| Balrog_ | 3 to 5 options .....? | Apr 20 00:22 |
| tacone | yeah. | Apr 20 00:22 |
| schestowitz | tacone: I like the SUSE theme, not Ubuntu's | Apr 20 00:22 |
| balzac | but the problem of fluff-heads is endemic in software industry | Apr 20 00:22 |
| tacone | how many options have every preference window? | Apr 20 00:22 |
| tacone | /kick schestowitz | Apr 20 00:22 |
| Balrog_ | depends on where you look. If you compare 10.1 and 10.5, 10.5 has a lot more options | Apr 20 00:23 |
| balzac | there needs to be a benevolent dictator to be the shot-caller, and I'm volunteering myself for the job | Apr 20 00:23 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 20 00:23 |
| Balrog_ | the 10.6 betas (which I'm not supposed to talk about :P ) have even more options | Apr 20 00:23 |
| schestowitz | /keep tacone | Apr 20 00:24 |
| tacone | :) | Apr 20 00:24 |
| balzac | Also, Mark Shuttleworth should appoint me to be his right-hand henchman | Apr 20 00:24 |
| schestowitz | "(which I'm not supposed to talk about" ??/ | Apr 20 00:24 |
| balzac | I'd get stuff don | Apr 20 00:24 |
| Balrog_ | heh, I'd dispute that :P | Apr 20 00:25 |
| tacone | oh | Apr 20 00:25 |
| tacone | ayatata | Apr 20 00:25 |
| tacone | or whatever | Apr 20 00:25 |
| tacone | https://launchpad.net/ayatana | Apr 20 00:25 |
| tacone | https://lists.canonical.com/mailm... | Apr 20 00:25 |
| balzac | I'd make a commitment to sacrifice one ego per day for the entertainment of all | Apr 20 00:25 |
| tacone | this is the project which the new notifications belong to. | Apr 20 00:25 |
| balzac | bread and circus, breaking eggs, making omlettes | Apr 20 00:26 |
| balzac | french toast | Apr 20 00:26 |
| Balrog_ | tacone: take a look at growl | Apr 20 00:26 |
| tacone | the project that should bring the new experience to ubuntu. | Apr 20 00:26 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.growl.info/ | Apr 20 00:26 |
| tacone | Balrog_: not just notifications | Apr 20 00:26 |
| tacone | growl is not anymore mantained. | Apr 20 00:26 |
| Balrog_ | I've used this for a while, and Ubuntu seems to be doing something very similar. | Apr 20 00:26 |
| Balrog_ | growl for mac | Apr 20 00:26 |
| tacone | i know. | Apr 20 00:26 |
| tacone | it's not about that. | Apr 20 00:27 |
| Balrog_ | it is maintained, I talk to the devs sometimes | Apr 20 00:27 |
| schestowitz | SELinux.........? A Secure OS For the Dalai Lama? < http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?s... > | Apr 20 00:27 |
| tacone | i mean, that's the project that will be used to develop the new desktop experience. | Apr 20 00:27 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, a similar implementation for Ubuntu | Apr 20 00:27 |
| tacone | no | Apr 20 00:27 |
| tacone | not only notifications | Apr 20 00:27 |
| schestowitz | http://boredandblogging.com/2009... | Apr 20 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Found some while ago BTW | Apr 20 00:28 |
| tacone | yes schestowitz | Apr 20 00:28 |
| tacone | that's the project to keep an eye onto to know which projects has mark on desktop experience. | Apr 20 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like some Incan word | Apr 20 00:28 |
| balzac | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/... | Apr 20 00:28 |
| tacone | buddhist | Apr 20 00:28 |
| tacone | sphere of senses | Apr 20 00:28 |
| balzac | hugo chavez assigned barack obama some homework | Apr 20 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Brilliant | Apr 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Chavez is there to help the US understand it can't just boss the world, I guee | Apr 20 00:29 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Chavez reads and openly crecommends Chomsky | Apr 20 00:29 |
| balzac | Chavez is cool | Apr 20 00:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watc... | Apr 20 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: Biden calls Chavez a "tyrant" | Apr 20 00:30 |
| schestowitz | balzac: gotta love the phoro | Apr 20 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Add the caption.. | Apr 20 00:31 |
| schestowitz | Obama: "me? Learn? lolz" Chavez: "wait until he gets a taste of *that*" | Apr 20 00:32 |
| balzac | roy, there was a better photo which was removed | Apr 20 00:32 |
| balzac | a moment before, chavez came up while President Obama was seated and handed him the book | Apr 20 00:33 |
| balzac | Obama stood up, so as not to have Hugo standing over him | Apr 20 00:33 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Apr 20 00:33 |
| balzac | I tried to find that pic after it was taken offline in my browser cache | Apr 20 00:33 |
| balzac | and then I found that it's not easy to find specific items in my FF cache | Apr 20 00:33 |
| balzac | I asked specific questions in #firefox | Apr 20 00:34 |
| balzac | I should try the mozilla irc server | Apr 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Obama is | Apr 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz | 6'1" | Apr 20 00:34 |
| schestowitz | So Chavez must be short and chubby | Apr 20 00:34 |
| balzac | yeah | Apr 20 00:34 |
| balzac | but Chavez could probably hit a baseball further than Obama | Apr 20 00:34 |
| balzac | Another time, a picture of Michelle Obama's behind got cropped | Apr 20 00:35 |
| balzac | she was wearing some tight slacks which were riding up | Apr 20 00:35 |
| balzac | she was with Carla Bruni, Sarkozy's woman | Apr 20 00:35 |
| balzac | so she was "tarting up" a bit | Apr 20 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva 2009.1 RC2: http://pbs01.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/a... Mandriva employs some of their best devs (KDE) | Apr 20 00:36 |
| balzac | anyway, huffpo cropped it | Apr 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Yuck. | Apr 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Sarko-mutants | Apr 20 00:36 |
| balzac | ? | Apr 20 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Did you know that Sark0 banned voodoo dolls that look like him? | Apr 20 00:37 |
| schestowitz | How about stopping being such as arsehole? People would stop buying such dolls and there would be no market for people to find it worth making. | Apr 20 00:37 |
| balzac | that's funny | Apr 20 00:38 |
| balzac | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/1... | Apr 20 00:39 |
| balzac | you can see who has the bigger smile here | Apr 20 00:39 |
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| balzac | Chavez wore the power-tie | Apr 20 00:40 |
| balzac | Roy, you should get a blogging gig at Huffington Post | Apr 20 00:42 |
| balzac | be their tech correspondent | Apr 20 00:42 |
| balzac | and then help shoe-horn me in | Apr 20 00:42 |
| balzac | wait, they don't even have a tech section | Apr 20 00:43 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 20 00:47 |
| schestowitz | I like exploring corruption. Other people dare not study or write about it. | Apr 20 00:47 |
| schestowitz | gn | Apr 20 00:48 |
| tacone | gn | Apr 20 01:01 |
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| air_ | yaaaaay, i installed fglrx at last | Apr 20 05:10 |
| air_ | ts a cure for debian | Apr 20 05:10 |
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| The_Mad_Hatter | Roy, the Dalai Lama's computer people are asking about a more secure OS after having had their Windows boxes hacked | Apr 20 06:33 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | http://ask.slashdot.org/article... | Apr 20 06:33 |
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| schestowitz | What's this about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucG... | Apr 20 07:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQQQ2dp-... " "Bill Clinton Subconsciously Admitting That The Clintons Lie" | Apr 20 07:33 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy0... | Apr 20 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Sun still wants to be bought: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206... | Apr 20 07:54 |
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| schestowitz | News & Observer about Red Hat in government: http://www.newsobserver.com/bu... | Apr 20 08:09 |
| schestowitz | "How Novell is Killing SuSE Linux" http://serversolved.blogspot.com... | Apr 20 08:12 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Apr 20 09:11 |
| oiaohm | There is currently a anti-trust case starting up in the EU. IBM aquiring SUN would have reduced complainers. | Apr 20 09:11 |
| schestowitz | True. | Apr 20 09:14 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft is not the only problem | Apr 20 09:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will rot in due time because I very much doubt it can evolve to a busienss model where s/w is given away for free and services offered over the Web. | Apr 20 09:15 |
| schestowitz | Oh, no. http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/ hooked up with IDG | Apr 20 09:23 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoMvjgjzxLA (Ralph Nader says, "I Do Like Kucinich") | Apr 20 10:02 |
| schestowitz | The AP's Desperate Attempt To Outlaw Search Engine Links < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... > | Apr 20 10:04 |
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| kentma | schestowitz: hi Roy - do you know if anyone's done a really detailed analysis of the licensing of Android, and how well it fits with the GPL and so on? | Apr 20 10:27 |
| schestowitz | I know one analysis that's purely technical. Android is not really Linux as people think of it. | Apr 20 10:30 |
| schestowitz | kentma: Symbian published some criticisms of Android. | Apr 20 10:30 |
| iwmw | it's google, isn't it enough to understand that it's not purely linux and licensing sucks | Apr 20 10:34 |
| oiaohm | Neither is Linux what people think it is any more either schestowitz | Apr 20 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Interesting talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRKx6yAGj... | Apr 20 10:39 |
| iwmw | forums.debian.net | Apr 20 10:40 |
| oiaohm | What really says a Linux has to have posix compadible system on it. | Apr 20 10:41 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully android will make distrobutions redefine what they are. | Apr 20 10:43 |
| kentma | I presume that Symbian's licensing isn't exactly GPL, either? | Apr 20 10:45 |
| oiaohm | Nokia is planing to release all of Symbian under GPL. | Apr 20 10:46 |
| kentma | If that's the case, then I'd have no particular problem with it. Symbian is quite nice, and is certainly good on small devices. | Apr 20 10:46 |
| oiaohm | Symbian has not been designed to scale up to like netbooks. | Apr 20 10:51 |
| kentma | oiaohm: it originated running exactly such machines, though, the psion 3a,b,c, 4 and 5 and 5mx and 7 are all netbooks. | Apr 20 10:51 |
| kentma | I have a 4 and a 5mx somewhere. | Apr 20 10:51 |
| kentma | I mean "netbook" in the very small computer sense, of course, although series 5 onwards all had IP stacks. | Apr 20 10:52 |
| oiaohm | Recent times development has focused on small screens. | Apr 20 10:52 |
| kentma | 5mx has a touch-screen, revo did too. Not sure about the 7. | Apr 20 10:52 |
| oiaohm | Not like the 9 inch + screens of modern day netbooks. | Apr 20 10:52 |
| kentma | Agreed, the psion ones were designed to be very small and "finger" powered. | Apr 20 10:53 |
| oiaohm | symbian could be fixed up for that market if development time goes in. | Apr 20 10:53 |
| kentma | They were very good machines - early ARM devices. | Apr 20 10:53 |
| kentma | oiaohm: I think you'll find that symbian dominated that market before anyone else really recognised it... | Apr 20 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Linux was first into the netbook market. | Apr 20 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Linux and symbian were competors in the netbook market for a long time. | Apr 20 10:54 |
| kentma | oiaohm: not really - symbian netbooks were around many years ago. | Apr 20 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Same with early Linux ones. | Apr 20 10:54 |
| kentma | look up the psion revo, 5mx and 7, you'll see what I mean. | Apr 20 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Older than that there are Linux ones. | Apr 20 10:55 |
| oiaohm | sharp made quite a few Linux ones for the jap market. | Apr 20 10:55 |
| kentma | psions came out much earlier than the sharp devices. | Apr 20 10:55 |
| kentma | http://www.bioeddie.co.uk/m... | Apr 20 10:56 |
| kentma | psion originally wrote games for the ZX81... | Apr 20 10:56 |
| iwmw | not zx80? | Apr 20 10:57 |
| oiaohm | sharp one I am refering to is 1995 name Z something. | Apr 20 10:57 |
| oiaohm | When Linux was really young. | Apr 20 10:57 |
| iwmw | oh yeah... both zx80/81 | Apr 20 10:58 |
| oiaohm | It was pre the name netbook kentma | Apr 20 10:59 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shar... | Apr 20 11:02 |
| oiaohm | kentma sharp was using there own OS like psion before the Linux line. | Apr 20 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Both had been competing over the same markets for a long time. | Apr 20 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Common myth over netbooks as psion being first with the design. They trademarked the name of netbook in 1996. Only they were using the name for netbook style devices until 2001. | Apr 20 11:07 |
| oiaohm | It was not that they were the only company making netbook like devices. | Apr 20 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Its very simple to miss important bits due to computer term changes in computer history. | Apr 20 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Basically netbooks have been around for ages and never took off until recently. | Apr 20 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Asus when there took off they were expecting another Linux based netbook not to sell very much at all. | Apr 20 11:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Symbian won't be GPL | Apr 20 11:23 |
| schestowitz | It's Eclipse | Apr 20 11:23 |
| schestowitz | its head said nasty FUD about GPL | Apr 20 11:23 |
| kentma | oiaohm: I agree that sharp were doing pda-like devices a long time ago, but symbian ones date back to earlier than linux ones. I think the first symbian (epoc) release was on the psion 3a series. | Apr 20 11:24 |
| schestowitz | /s/said/uttered/ | Apr 20 11:24 |
| kentma | schestowitz: if symbian won't be GPL, then it won't be any threat to linux. | Apr 20 11:25 |
| kentma | I don't know the details of android, but equally, it seems unlikely to have long-term staying power without everything being GPLed. There is a real danger of "just another windows" if Google are not careful here. | Apr 20 11:26 |
| kentma | oiaohm: personally, I prefer the linux stuff, as it's more likely to be mutually compatible - I have an AA1, it's excellent. | Apr 20 11:27 |
| kentma | One really good feature of my Acer Aspire 1 is that it makes an excellent mythtv client machine. I can playback recordings from myth anywhere within the radius of my house wifi, which includes out in the shed etc. | Apr 20 11:28 |
| kentma | my psion machines could barely run Opera, however :-) | Apr 20 11:28 |
| schestowitz | kentma: indeed, re: gpl | Apr 20 11:29 |
| schestowitz | I can find you the zdnet uk interview where Symbian's top gun mocks the gpl in a way, using myths | Apr 20 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Google's Andoid was already called "next Windows" | Apr 20 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is very afraid of Android and it's periodically throwing FUD at it. | Apr 20 11:31 |
| schestowitz | I sometimes think of Android as the iPhone-type platform (with online shop and DRM) but one that's built on Linux | Apr 20 11:31 |
| schestowitz | The EPO enlarged board of appeal mailed me twice this morning to confirm receipt of letter | Apr 20 11:37 |
| schestowitz | I think the EPO might not like BN after posts like this one: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/20... | Apr 20 11:37 |
| iwmw | lol, m$ is so addicted to patenting and now it has to pay for that :)) | Apr 20 11:43 |
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| oiaohm | psion 3a was not symbian | Apr 20 11:46 |
| kentma | oiaohm: it was epoc 16, psion 5mx was epoc 32. Can't recall what the psion 4 was. Symbian was the name later adopted by the consortium which took "ownership" of epoc. | Apr 20 11:47 |
| kentma | symbian is a consortium, epoc is really the OS. | Apr 20 11:47 |
| oiaohm | epoc 16 is 16 bit version. | Apr 20 11:49 |
| kentma | after the consortium took over epoc, they began to give it "symbian" serial numbers, but it's the same thing. | Apr 20 11:49 |
| oiaohm | epoc32 and symbian share some common structs. | Apr 20 11:49 |
| oiaohm | epoc is like windows 3.11 | Apr 20 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Internally nothing like NT. | Apr 20 11:49 |
| oiaohm | Opps epoc16=windows 3.11 symbian=nt. | Apr 20 11:50 |
| oiaohm | epoc32 was the change. | Apr 20 11:50 |
| kentma | oiaohm: symbian is the name of the consortium which took over epoc development. | Apr 20 11:51 |
| iwmw | is symbian anywhere near nt nowadays? | Apr 20 11:51 |
| oiaohm | In tech difference iwmw | Apr 20 11:51 |
| kentma | iwmw: symbian and/or Epoc was never that coupled into dos or windows. It was independently developed for use on low-power devices. | Apr 20 11:51 |
| kentma | epoc 16 ran on the psion 3a,b,c, at that time, there were no low-power 32-bit processors around. | Apr 20 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Sharp used there own 16 bit OS in that time with epoc16 | Apr 20 11:52 |
| *iwmw knows, programmed for symbian a bit | Apr 20 11:52 | |
| kentma | epoc 32 was the 32-bit version of epoc, the relationship was nothing like dos/nt. Much more like 32 bit and 64 bit linux. | Apr 20 11:52 |
| kentma | however, 32-bit small processors had a lot of capabilities which 16-bit ones did not, of course :-) | Apr 20 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Lot of structs and design in epoc16 are droped completely in epoc32. | Apr 20 11:53 |
| iwmw | weren't they all arm? | Apr 20 11:53 |
| oiaohm | They took the chance to clean the bugger up at that point. | Apr 20 11:53 |
| kentma | iwmw: the psion 3a was arm, yes | Apr 20 11:53 |
| oiaohm | So its not like 32bit linux and 64 bit Linux where the interfaces really did not change. | Apr 20 11:53 |
| oiaohm | The first version of EPOC32, Release 1 appeared on the Psion Series 5 ROM v1.0 in 1997. Kinda late to the 32 bit party. | Apr 20 11:55 |
| iwmw | not too late | Apr 20 11:55 |
| kentma | oiaohm: the 5mx did very well. Even Ericsson badged a version, as did someone else, I think, but I can't recall who. | Apr 20 11:55 |
| oiaohm | acorn | Apr 20 11:56 |
| iwmw | what processor epoc32 was run on? | Apr 20 11:56 |
| kentma | acorn badged a 5mx? Are you sure? | Apr 20 11:56 |
| kentma | iwmw it was arm | Apr 20 11:56 |
| iwmw | hehe... so they all are into arm | Apr 20 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Acron designed arm. | Apr 20 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Acorn designed the arm chip. | Apr 20 11:57 |
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| iwmw | wasn't it ti who designed arm? | Apr 20 11:57 |
| oiaohm | They branded a few of them for demo strations of chips. | Apr 20 11:57 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A... | Apr 20 11:57 |
| oiaohm | They broke up in 2000 and become arm holdings and a few other companies. | Apr 20 11:58 |
| kentma | iwmw: acorn's design team went all over - one of them went to Apple, some, I believe, ended up in the TomTom company. | Apr 20 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Lot went into arm holdings. | Apr 20 11:58 |
| kentma | acorn were amazingly influential - still are, albeit via tomtom, psion & arm holdings and so on ... | Apr 20 11:59 |
| iwmw | what's arm holding? | Apr 20 11:59 |
| oiaohm | The design company of arm processors iwmw | Apr 20 11:59 |
| kentma | arm holdings do the arm processor designs & licensing to other companies like TI, Intel and so on. | Apr 20 12:00 |
| oiaohm | So every arm processor chip out there started in there design rooms. | Apr 20 12:00 |
| kentma | oiaohm: which includes most smartphones on the planet... | Apr 20 12:00 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F... This has to be one of Acorn screwups. | Apr 20 12:00 |
| iwmw | wow... i always thought that it's ti who designed arm... but now reading wiki it's Acorn | Apr 20 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Who wants a case custerd yellow. | Apr 20 12:00 |
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| kentma | oiaohm: hard to say, really :-) | Apr 20 12:02 |
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| kentma | i used to have a Pace DTV set top box, too, but that was a long time ago. | Apr 20 12:04 |
| oiaohm | Basically ever since 32 bit netbooks Linux and symbian have been facing off against each other. | Apr 20 12:04 |
| schestowitz | I've just realised that Thursday will be sweet not only because of Ubuntu 9.04: http://online.wsj.com/article/B... | Apr 20 12:05 |
| oiaohm | Hopefully the fight between each of them goes well into the future. | Apr 20 12:05 |
| kentma | oiaohm: linux will win, in my view, because of its GPL. If the symbian consortium are serious about taking on linux, then they must GPL, which they're not doing. They've lost, it's just a question of time, imo. | Apr 20 12:06 |
| oiaohm | Symbian consortium don't really exist. | Apr 20 12:07 |
| oiaohm | Any more. | Apr 20 12:07 |
| oiaohm | Its completely nokia. | Apr 20 12:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes nokia owns 100 percent of Symbian consortium. | Apr 20 12:08 |
| kentma | oiaohm: indeed. Nokia might sell it in the future, though, or find other investors. | Apr 20 12:12 |
| oiaohm | Its a bit like AMD releasing ATI specs. | Apr 20 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Legal audit of source has to be done. | Apr 20 12:13 |
| oiaohm | Nokia seams to be talking about full release middle of this year. | Apr 20 12:14 |
| oiaohm | That could be a little late against linux. | Apr 20 12:14 |
| magentar | Sun Microsystems, Inc. (NASDAQ:JAVA - News) and Oracle Corporation (NASDAQ:ORCL - News) announced today they have entered into a definitive agreement under which Oracle will acquire Sun common stock for $9.50 per share in cash. | Apr 20 12:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: just remember that Symbian is not GPL | Apr 20 12:48 |
| schestowitz | You said something like that earlier and it's a misrepresentation of fact that I find risky | Apr 20 12:48 |
| schestowitz | I perceive Symbian as a proponent od DRM | Apr 20 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Also, as you may recall (and kentma would know this), Symbian is behinf the abysmal case in the UK which soert of legalises software patents | Apr 20 12:48 |
| schestowitz | They had the DLL thing "improve" the performance of some computer. | Apr 20 12:49 |
| schestowitz | This Symbian ruling in the UK may already contaminate continental Europe with sw patents (they cite it) | Apr 20 12:49 |
| schestowitz | kentma, oiaohm Nokia's results last week showed profit falling 90% (year-to-year, quarterly) | Apr 20 12:50 |
| kentma | schestowitz: I recall the symbian ruling - it was a terrible moment, I was not impressed. | Apr 20 12:50 |
| kentma | schestowitz: that's a very bad quarter indeed. No wonder Nokia are looking at other offerings... | Apr 20 12:51 |
| schestowitz | magentar: : what would be the impact | Apr 20 12:51 |
| magentar | impossible to say at the moment. it will be interesting to see how this will affect suns open source projects | Apr 20 12:52 |
| oiaohm | http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/74/ Added my own thoughs on mono to that one. People really don't think mono though. Its pure crap techincally. | Apr 20 13:00 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: he works on it | Apr 20 13:01 |
| schestowitz | apebox=mono packager for Debian and Ubuntu | Apr 20 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Apr 20 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Reason why I kinda drop house on him. | Apr 20 13:01 |
| oiaohm | There is no logical argument out. | Apr 20 13:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businesswire.com/portal/s... Oracle to Buy Sun | Apr 20 13:02 |
| schestowitz | So what happens to btrfs then? | Apr 20 13:02 |
| schestowitz | And OracleOffice.org? | Apr 20 13:02 |
| oiaohm | btrfs will remain. | Apr 20 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Oracle did defend ODF | Apr 20 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Oracle had tech issue with ZFS | Apr 20 13:03 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: as I read it, Ellison will also own Java | Apr 20 13:03 |
| oiaohm | Not just licence ones. | Apr 20 13:03 |
| schestowitz | They have some Java projects | Apr 20 13:03 |
| schestowitz | And Oracle won't mess with anything Microsoft | Apr 20 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Ellison hates Mirosoft | Apr 20 13:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm not too fearful | Apr 20 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Oracle is also not a patent aggressor | Apr 20 13:04 |
| schestowitz | It's in OIN | Apr 20 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Ellison would keep Open Office alive just to annoy Microsoft. | Apr 20 13:04 |
| schestowitz | All in all, I'm kind of OK with it, I guess | Apr 20 13:04 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: exacttly. | Apr 20 13:04 |
| schestowitz | It could also make them a bundle | Apr 20 13:04 |
| schestowitz | My initial thoughts about the Oracle-Sun deal are positive. | Apr 20 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Any conflicts that I'm missing? | Apr 20 13:05 |
| schestowitz | I mean, OK... IBM sold hardware, so did Sun | Apr 20 13:05 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/members Again 1 of the top 8 in the Linux foundation. | Apr 20 13:05 |
| schestowitz | So IBM buying Sun would mean less choice | Apr 20 13:05 |
| schestowitz | h/w-wise | Apr 20 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | Oracle doesn't sell hardware | Apr 20 13:05 |
| schestowitz | now it might | Apr 20 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Orcale could be a conflit they do sell a Linux. | Apr 20 13:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Hi | Apr 20 13:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, Oracle was OK in the LF | Apr 20 13:06 |
| schestowitz | It gave its patents too | Apr 20 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Oracle doesn't compete with Google | Apr 20 13:06 |
| MinceR | hopefully Oracle will finally force Sun to favor Linux instead of Solarisaurus. | Apr 20 13:06 |
| schestowitz | it does not compete with OOo (e.g. Symphony) | Apr 20 13:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe merge them | Apr 20 13:06 |
| oiaohm | Oracle taken over other open source projects in the past and they are still going. | Apr 20 13:06 |
| schestowitz | DTrace, Java... | Apr 20 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Sun needed to withdraw appeal for GNU/Linux | Apr 20 13:07 |
| oiaohm | http://www.oracle.com/technology/pr... | Apr 20 13:07 |
| magentar | i hope they will keep investing in mysql, they might see it as competitive to their business | Apr 20 13:07 |
| schestowitz | With Oracle, this might end, so he could bring UNIX and Linux together and knock them against MSFT, which will disappoint profoundly on Thursday (market close) | Apr 20 13:07 |
| schestowitz | OH NO1 | Apr 20 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Mysql | Apr 20 13:07 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: There's a typo in your article "Should the hompage of boycottnovell be changed?": "So as it(to) make it..." | Apr 20 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Don't worry. | Apr 20 13:07 |
| schestowitz | I totally missed that one | Apr 20 13:08 |
| oiaohm | Oracle will keep it around. | Apr 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | So you think they'll integrate it as a low-cost option? | Apr 20 13:08 |
| oiaohm | Mysql was one of the things of Sun that was paying. | Apr 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, but in what state? | Apr 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | They fought Mysql viciously | Apr 20 13:08 |
| tacone | apebox scares me | Apr 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | But buying innodb for instancer | Apr 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Among others | Apr 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | tacone: hehe. | Apr 20 13:08 |
| tacone | look the title of the first post | Apr 20 13:08 |
| tacone | "Mass infection vector" | Apr 20 13:08 |
| schestowitz | He's a small fella | Apr 20 13:08 |
| oiaohm | They fort berkley db before they took it over as well. | Apr 20 13:08 |
| MinceR | mysql sucks anyway | Apr 20 13:08 |
| tacone | brr. | Apr 20 13:08 |
| tacone | seems like some kind of honesty :-) | Apr 20 13:09 |
| MinceR | the only reason i use it is that some webapps don't support postgres nor sqlite | Apr 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what for? | Apr 20 13:09 |
| oiaohm | After Oracle got hands on it they quality of it went up. | Apr 20 13:09 |
| schestowitz | mysql works great for millions of sites | Apr 20 13:09 |
| tacone | same goes for iguaza's embrace & extend | Apr 20 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Mysql most likely be the same. | Apr 20 13:09 |
| oiaohm | If Oracle was not already running a open source database in berkley db I would be worried. | Apr 20 13:09 |
| oiaohm | Postgresql might have something to worry about. | Apr 20 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. "davidgerard @schestowitz mine aren't. 8 years of my CV vanishing like dew in the morning sun. guess i'll hafta learn this 'leengux' the kids are into." | Apr 20 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Mysql might get Oracle database compadiblity. | Apr 20 13:10 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: did u correct the typo? | Apr 20 13:10 |
| schestowitz | "davidgerard @schestowitz i see mysql forking accelerating. i have no confidence jschwartz's "open source everything" policy will remain in place." | Apr 20 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: good spot! Thanks | Apr 20 13:11 |
| MinceR | what was davidgerard into? Slowlarisaurus? | Apr 20 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the Wiki? | Apr 20 13:11 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: no problem. | Apr 20 13:11 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Apr 20 13:11 |
| schestowitz | Fixed | Apr 20 13:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: wikipedia UK | Apr 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | It runs some Solaris | Apr 20 13:12 |
| MinceR | ic | Apr 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Oraclaris | Apr 20 13:12 |
| MinceR | well, maybe it'll live on as Oracle Unbreakable Solaris | Apr 20 13:12 |
| Omar87 | great ;) | Apr 20 13:12 |
| MinceR | and Oracle Unbreakable OpenSolaris | Apr 20 13:12 |
| schestowitz | If Oracle does no good with mysql, then it will go out of its control. | Apr 20 13:13 |
| MinceR | i wonder what will come of btrfs and ZFS now | Apr 20 13:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I wonder about OS X | Apr 20 13:13 |
| schestowitz | It had a potential big deployment of ZFS | Apr 20 13:13 |
| schestowitz | Balrog would know | Apr 20 13:13 |
| oiaohm | btrfs was developed to deal with ZFS limits. | Apr 20 13:13 |
| schestowitz | They put experimental ZFS seeds in it | Apr 20 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Snow leopard | Apr 20 13:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | Apr 20 13:14 |
| oiaohm | ZFS most likely get moved to Linux friendly licence. | Apr 20 13:14 |
| MinceR | then i'll say this acquisition was worth it. | Apr 20 13:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: bad news is this: | Apr 20 13:14 |
| schestowitz | We run out of companies | Apr 20 13:14 |
| oiaohm | And btrfs stays around not like Orcale. | Apr 20 13:14 |
| MinceR | if only to see the faces of the bsd fanboys. | Apr 20 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Startups are fried | Apr 20 13:14 |
| schestowitz | No capita | Apr 20 13:14 |
| schestowitz | No capital | Apr 20 13:14 |
| oiaohm | to give up an experment before it complete. | Apr 20 13:14 |
| schestowitz | So now you see big corporations sweeping up small ones | Apr 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Like fish in the sea | Apr 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | mysql->sun->oracle | Apr 20 13:15 |
| MinceR | it's the crisis, i think it'll be over eventually. | Apr 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Sardine->salmon->whale | Apr 20 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Oracle aquired sleepy cat first. | Apr 20 13:15 |
| MinceR | and in the world of FLOSS it's still easy to start a new company | Apr 20 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Remember Oracle only aquires companies that offer themselfs. | Apr 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what do you mean by over? | Apr 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Like when people stop trading in USD? | Apr 20 13:15 |
| oiaohm | They don't want hostile. | Apr 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | For some nations it will never end | Apr 20 13:15 |
| schestowitz | it's just the beginning of the end to some | Apr 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | But the press is not information them yet | Apr 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | *informing | Apr 20 13:16 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i think that the crisis is accelerating such acquisitions as smaller companies run low on money | Apr 20 13:16 |
| oiaohm | So Oracle is never going to try to buy Microsoft or anything else stupid. | Apr 20 13:16 |
| MinceR | that would be funny | Apr 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: buying MS? what for? | Apr 20 13:16 |
| schestowitz | ms sql server sucks | Apr 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Compared to Oracle | Apr 20 13:17 |
| oiaohm | MS would do something that stupid. | Apr 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | And it won'r run on 'alien' platforms Oracle uses | Apr 20 13:17 |
| oiaohm | In the means of compeition nuking. | Apr 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | MS is useful just to MS | Apr 20 13:17 |
| oiaohm | Oracle does not aquire to destroy. | Apr 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Or Exxon or something | Apr 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | (if they do into tech) | Apr 20 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft chose to combat the big companies, inc. IBM | Apr 20 13:18 |
| oiaohm | I expect to see more intergration between open office and Oracles databases from the merge. | Apr 20 13:18 |
| schestowitz | GE is not quite in computing, either | Apr 20 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Remember databases. | Apr 20 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Even Intel and H-P sometimes grow tired of MS' incompetence | Apr 20 13:18 |
| oiaohm | One in trouble here might be sqlite. | Apr 20 13:18 |
| oiaohm | HP has to do contracts with Oracle. | Apr 20 13:19 |
| oiaohm | Oracle + hardware becomes another IT supper power. | Apr 20 13:19 |
| oiaohm | IBM HP Oracle | Apr 20 13:19 |
| kentma | schestowitz: have you seen rumours about Oracle buying Sun? (== mysql)? | Apr 20 13:19 |
| MinceR | it isn't supper time yet though | Apr 20 13:20 |
| oiaohm | http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/... << not rumour kentma | Apr 20 13:20 |
| kentma | http://www.reuters.com/article/ousi... | Apr 20 13:20 |
| kentma | oiaohm: indeed, I've just found the reuters feed, too. | Apr 20 13:21 |
| kentma | end of the road for mysql? | Apr 20 13:21 |
| schestowitz | kentma: see the log | Apr 20 13:21 |
| schestowitz | We've spoken about it :-) | Apr 20 13:21 |
| kentma | schestowitz: ah, yes, I can see it further up. | Apr 20 13:21 |
| kentma | so I see :-) | Apr 20 13:21 |
| kentma | Still, it will be a real test of the GPL... I wonder if we'll see a spin-off, like we had X.org | Apr 20 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Mysql would not be the first database that is open source Oracle has picked up. | Apr 20 13:24 |
| Omar87 | damn it guys, I hate Dreamweaver, I'm having an utterly boring class aboutit right now. | Apr 20 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Mysql is profitable. | Apr 20 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Oracle is not foolish. | Apr 20 13:24 |
| Omar87 | *about it* | Apr 20 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Berkley db was the first one orcale picked up. | Apr 20 13:24 |
| oiaohm | They improved it. | Apr 20 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Sell support for it. Make profit. | Apr 20 13:25 |
| oiaohm | Oracle will see Mysql as another profit line. | Apr 20 13:25 |
| oiaohm | There is worse than dreamweaver you could be using screem. | Apr 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Dreamweaver is not computing | Apr 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | it's a tool | Apr 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Like teaching kids how to chew Sinkers | Apr 20 13:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: mysql is profitable, but at /whose/ expense? | Apr 20 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Most of the mysql users cannot aford orcale main database licence. | Apr 20 13:27 |
| oiaohm | So its not realy at Orcales expence. | Apr 20 13:28 |
| oiaohm | The aquirement of mysql gives Oracle from top to bottom of the web based database market. | Apr 20 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Its really at MS expence. | Apr 20 13:28 |
| oiaohm | Be truthful if you had to pay for Oracle would you be schestowitz? Or would you go to postgresql? | Apr 20 13:29 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: fair point | Apr 20 13:30 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, http://developers.slashdot.org/a... oracle buys sun? | Apr 20 13:30 |
| schestowitz | "sebjames @schestowitz: A test of GPL code in the hands of large corporations. CUPS didn't need to be forked after Apple bought it. Mysql different?" | Apr 20 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Mysql is basically used by people too cheep to aford Oracle or MS SQL or Enterprise db and don't want to have the hard time configuring postgresql. Oracle could basically develop as a light end solution. | Apr 20 13:32 |
| schestowitz | They already have that though | Apr 20 13:33 |
| schestowitz | but proprietary | Apr 20 13:33 |
| zer0c00l | oiaohm, they (oracle) will stop developing mysql? | Apr 20 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Enterprise DB has been eating into Oracles profits anyhow. | Apr 20 13:33 |
| schestowitz | So it steps on the toes on their CPU-limited version | Apr 20 13:33 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: they can't | Apr 20 13:33 |
| schestowitz | It will then be forked | Apr 20 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Remember Enterprise db is postgresql + management tools. | Apr 20 13:34 |
| schestowitz | Some business of 100 devs can be formed to then capitalise on mysq | Apr 20 13:34 |
| schestowitz | So Oracle must develop it somehow | Apr 20 13:34 |
| schestowitz | This is NOT like Xen | Apr 20 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Oracle need a low end solution. | Apr 20 13:34 |
| schestowitz | When Microsoft bought Xen (XenSource-Citrix) it abandoned it | Apr 20 13:34 |
| schestowitz | But it worked because we have kvm | Apr 20 13:34 |
| oiaohm | For Oracle long term killing mysql would be a stupid move. | Apr 20 13:34 |
| schestowitz | mysql->postgres is not that simple | Apr 20 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Apr 20 13:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they can't kil it | Apr 20 13:35 |
| schestowitz | You can't kill GPL s/w | Apr 20 13:35 |
| oiaohm | I meant kill the development team. | Apr 20 13:35 |
| schestowitz | It's not like code you keep secret and lock in the box | Apr 20 13:35 |
| oiaohm | If Oracle can get mysql intergrated into there main db system. | Apr 20 13:35 |
| schestowitz | If people like us took mysql and created a business around it, imagine how many contracts you'd get | Apr 20 13:35 |
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| schestowitz | So Oracle might at best FAKE support of mysql and hope this avoids forking | Apr 20 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Oracle making migration from mysql to Oracle simple. | Apr 20 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Would allow upselling. | Apr 20 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Oracle's problem are other enterprise dbs | Apr 20 13:36 |
| schestowitz | like MS, IBM... | Apr 20 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Remember Oracle is also a OS maker. | Apr 20 13:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: hardly | Apr 20 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Rebrander | Apr 20 13:37 |
| schestowitz | With some Linux devs | Apr 20 13:37 |
| oiaohm | So more applications running on there OS the more support contacts they can get. | Apr 20 13:37 |
| schestowitz | For stuff it NEEDS | Apr 20 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Yes Rebrander. | Apr 20 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Who has got fired for using Oracle. | Apr 20 13:37 |
| schestowitz | heh. | Apr 20 13:37 |
