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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: June 18th, 2008

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:26 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

[H]omer Evening all Jun 17 22:55
[H]omer Anyone home? Jun 17 22:55
tessier_ Hi Jun 17 22:55
[H]omer Hello Jun 17 22:55
[H]omer I think I’m finally wearing the Ubuntu “noobs” down. Soon I’ll have them all preaching the gospel of Tux, and quoting Stallman. Jun 17 22:56
[H]omer http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06… Jun 17 22:56
[H]omer I see the big Firefox campaign is in full swing Jun 17 22:59
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schestowitz <[H]omer>, at least one of them is a developer (I see the E-mail address). I was trying to find  this out because I couldn’t help but feel like those responsible for the choosing pricey codecs tried hard to justify their own decisions. I don’t  think that’s the case though, with the exception of Mark. Jun 18 02:42
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schestowitz Just been struck by someone who obviously hates Stallman. http://boycottnovell.com/20… (one comment before last) Jun 18 04:07
schestowitz Breaking: Novell’s Executive Vice President of Worldwide Sales has just quit! Jun 18 04:28
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tessier How is his quitting significant? Jun 18 05:39
schestowitz The stock fell over 2%. It’s also a sign of weakness, don’t you agree? Jun 18 05:41
tessier Not sure. Jun 18 05:42
schestowitz I know that Ted Haeger, for example, left because of the deal with Microsoft (indirectly so). Jun 18 05:43
tessier That is quite a thread you’ve got there on that Stallman smear thing Jun 18 05:47
schestowitz I haven’t seen it in a while. There were some prior ones too. Jun 18 05:49
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tessier Most of my Linux discussion/advocacy happens in the context of my local LUG Jun 18 06:18
tessier Especially at the meetings and on the mailing lists Jun 18 06:19
tessier Someone just posted saying that anyone can compete with MS. My reply: Jun 18 06:19
tessier In order to compete to the extent that it has today all Linux has had to Jun 18 06:19
tessier do is gather together thousands of the worlds best programmers and get Jun 18 06:19
tessier them to work together for 17 years for free and then give their work Jun 18 06:19
tessier away for free. I just don’t get why others can’t compete with MS also. Jun 18 06:19
schestowitz That’s a good point. But to say that all these engineers worked against Microsoft is incorrect. What about Oracle, IBM, Sun? Jun 18 06:25
schestowitz The push of Free software (broadly) shouldn’t be Microsoft-obsessed. it’s proprietary software (as a standard) that is being battled. Software used to be free (libre). Jun 18 06:26
tessier I agree Jun 18 06:26
tessier They are just the easiest target Jun 18 06:26
schestowitz Because they are on people’s desks… moreover, crashing, spreading malware, taking site down with DDOS attacks. Jun 18 06:27
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dsmith_ ok I installed FF3 officially Jun 18 06:41
dsmith_ give me some time using it see if it runs fine Jun 18 06:41
dsmith_ perhaps the RC3, had something to do with it Jun 18 06:41
schestowitz How about plug-in compatibility? That’s the only thing that worries me. Jun 18 06:42
dsmith_ replacinf ff2 folder with the ff3 worked flawlessly Jun 18 06:46
dsmith_ plugins, I have not had an issue as of yet Jun 18 06:46
dsmith_ I did read that ff3 broke silverlight? b ut so what Jun 18 06:46
dsmith_ I am missing some extensions, but they will get updated in time Jun 18 06:47
schestowitz That’s what I worry about. Some of them you can ‘fix’ manually by just changing a string with a text editor (it’s in the XUls). Jun 18 06:49
dsmith_ yea, I am not doing that though Jun 18 06:50
dsmith_ you take a risk of crashign the browser Jun 18 06:51
dsmith_ then start up in safe mode and disable it Jun 18 06:51
dsmith_ I rather just wait Jun 18 06:51
tessier I wonder if I should keep using fedora on my desktop or look at something else…having to reinstall every 6 months is a drag. Jun 18 06:54
dsmith_ http://waxy.org/2008/06/code_rush/ Jun 18 06:54
tessier I wonder how centos does on a desktop. Jun 18 06:54
dsmith_ tessier, why dont you create your own home partition? Jun 18 06:54
tessier I do have my own home partition Jun 18 06:55
tessier So I guess it wouldn’t be that big of a deal. Jun 18 06:55
tessier /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-home Jun 18 06:55
tessier                      126951204  90834192  29669780  76% /home Jun 18 06:55
schestowitz There’s an article in PolishLinux abotu Centos as a desktop. Google it. Jun 18 06:56
tessier http://polishlinux.org/redhat/… Jun 18 06:57
tessier First hit on “centos desktop” Jun 18 06:57
dsmith_ centos makes good servers Jun 18 06:58
dsmith_ tessier: I update my kubuntu every 6 months, but stay one distro back Jun 18 06:59
dsmith_ the people I support with linux stay two distros back Jun 18 06:59
tessier I have tons of centos servers Jun 18 07:00
schestowitz Mozilla uses CentOS. Jun 18 07:07
schestowitz They are not sure if iit’s RHEL actually, but at least it’s not the abomination called SUSE. OSUSE 11 is out tomorrow BTW. Jun 18 07:08
schestowitz I’ve just posted a comment in FSDaily about the IBM DB2 OSS rumour ( http://www.fsdaily.com/Bus… )… IBM Denies: “A spokesman for IBM pretty much falsified this report, which is a shame really. IBM invests in EnterpriseDB now. Sun had them give up on MySQL.” Do you know what I’ve realised for a fact? After that mess in that site (anti-BoycottNovell), there has been little participation. Maybe it’s se Jun 18 07:12
schestowitz ason’s trends, but for a fact there used to be about twice as many FP stories. Jun 18 07:12
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schestowitz Another very senior Softie has just jumped the sinking ship. http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/m… Jun 18 08:43
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kentma mornin’ all Jun 18 08:51
schestowitz Hi , <kentma>. Jun 18 08:52
schestowitz The good news keeps coming today.  http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/arti… (EU Says Governments Could Bar Microsoft From Bidding) Jun 18 08:53
kentma Now that’s a major step forward in the anti-corruption crusade. Jun 18 08:54
kentma Hmm, just upgraded to latest firefox and can’t seem to put a url in :-) Jun 18 08:54
PetoKraus :D Jun 18 08:55
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schestowitz Really? In the address bar? Jun 18 08:58
schestowitz Well, I’ll just post it in BN.com Jun 18 08:59
tessier But WILL they bar MS from bidding? Jun 18 08:59
schestowitz Well, the important thing is that the proposal was not dismissed, for starters. Jun 18 09:01
schestowitz I’ll post something for context in BN.com. This goes a couple of months back, so needs to be seen in the right context… Jun 18 09:02
kentma ah, got it… it was offering a google search – very kind of course, but I just wanted to go to the url. Jun 18 09:07
kentma The domain name debates going on are more than a little absurd (just looking at this:  http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/…), it’s a bit like McDonalds claiming that you can’t live at Burger Street, or call your house “Big Mac”.  Not that I’d want to, but I can’t see how someone’s email address can possibly be confused with a 1950s children’s story. Jun 18 09:08
schestowitz MikeRowSoft? Remember? Jun 18 09:10
schestowitz I totally missed this one 5 days ago: http://www.fsdaily.com/Community/An_op… Jun 18 09:15
PetoKraus jesus christ, kentma Jun 18 09:17
PetoKraus that’s just plain stupid Jun 18 09:17
PetoKraus intelectual property should be abolished Jun 18 09:17
kentma um – wassup PetoKraus Jun 18 09:27
PetoKraus your link Jun 18 09:28
PetoKraus about that domaing thing Jun 18 09:28
kentma ah, yes – it’s truly absurd.  The whole concept of “domain squatting” is really a landgrab, assuming that legal people don’t know enough about technology and won’t really understand the rights which they’re giving away. Jun 18 09:29
PetoKraus one day Jun 18 09:33
PetoKraus someone will sue me for my email address Jun 18 09:33
PetoKraus gandalf.pk@gmail.com Jun 18 09:33
kentma or turn you to stone, perhaps? :-) Jun 18 09:33
cozub Pakistani Gandalf? :-P Jun 18 09:33
PetoKraus :) Jun 18 09:33
PetoKraus pk being my initials Jun 18 09:34
cozub I figured ;) Jun 18 09:34
PetoKraus (or playerkiller mwahaha!) Jun 18 09:34
cozub but .pk was too tempting :) Jun 18 09:34
PetoKraus new wine hit it into portage quite fast… Jun 18 09:46
schestowitz “So it emerged…” Jun 18 09:49
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schestowitz Cease-and-desist: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10… It’s funny that they link the anti-bloggers AP inn this posting. Jun 18 10:49
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schestowitz BN.com site header has just had a temporary makeover is preparation for tomorrow’s release. Jun 18 13:02
PetoKraus ? Jun 18 13:07
PetoKraus don’t see anything Jun 18 13:07
schestowitz That thing at the top. Jun 18 13:07
schestowitz Clear cache if needed. Jun 18 13:07
PetoKraus aha Jun 18 13:07
schestowitz It’s not polished, but it’s just intended to last for a couple of days. Jun 18 13:08
PetoKraus don;t you think it’s overkill? Jun 18 13:09
PetoKraus i mean, this starts to look more like pure anti-openSUSE hatred Jun 18 13:10
schestowitz It says SUSE, not OpenSUSE. Jun 18 13:10
schestowitz Intentionally. Jun 18 13:10
PetoKraus but the banner had opensuse in there Jun 18 13:10
PetoKraus has * Jun 18 13:11
schestowitz And it was the same when 10.3 came out. It’s just important to convey the message. OpenSUSE makes Novell more powerful (and Microsoft too, by association). Jun 18 13:11
schestowitz On the left? Jun 18 13:11
PetoKraus y Jun 18 13:11
schestowitz Yes, but it’s small. :-) Jun 18 13:11
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saulgoode I don’t have much time to hang around, but thought I’d share the following: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=08… Jun 18 14:58
kentm1 wow… wonder what the politics are behind that! Jun 18 14:59
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schestowitz saulgoode, I have a post on Mono coming. Jun 18 15:00
Eruaran wow… thats interesting news Jun 18 15:00
Eruaran and hai all Jun 18 15:00
schestowitz “Mozilla has succeeded beyond its wildest dreams, receiving more than its hoped for 5 million downloads of Firefox 3 in less than 14 hours. So for the first day of the new browser’s life, it’s onward to 7 million!” http://www.itwire.com/content… Jun 18 15:01
saulgoode I wonder what their server is running on. Jun 18 15:01
schestowitz I know they use CentOS in the back room for some stuff, maybe Red Hat. I can find you a recent video interview. Jun 18 15:02
kentm1 a bonfire by now, I suspect. Jun 18 15:02
schestowitz Also, thanks for the news. I’ll post that right away. Jun 18 15:02
saulgoode I have to go to work. I look forward to the Mono article. Bye. Jun 18 15:03
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schestowitz <Eruaran> , seen that latest post about ODF/OOo? Jun 18 15:05
schestowitz I was hoping to have a screenshot, but the video too is very compelling. Jun 18 15:05
Eruaran ah damn I forgot Jun 18 15:05
Eruaran I was going to do some screenshots Jun 18 15:05
Eruaran still can do though Jun 18 15:06
Eruaran haven’t seen the latest post on odf… *goes to see* Jun 18 15:06
schestowitz I can just add them any time. Just posted about an hour ago… Jun 18 15:09
PetoKraus that EEE901 looks nice Jun 18 15:23
PetoKraus though, Xandros… Jun 18 15:23
kentm1 still, you can replace it with something else. Jun 18 15:23
kentm1 and at least you didn’t buy windows. Jun 18 15:23
kentm1 wouldn’t have bought. Jun 18 15:23
PetoKraus well yes Jun 18 15:24
PetoKraus it’s just, i know i can Jun 18 15:24
PetoKraus but the OS there is terrible Jun 18 15:24
schestowitz <PetoKraus>, Free Software Magazine has a good list of distros you can try. Jun 18 15:24
schestowitz You could even run Compiz-Fusion for joy Jun 18 15:24
schestowitz <PetoKraus>, the OS there is /not/ for people like you (or me). Jun 18 15:25
PetoKraus the os there has basic problems, such as: Jun 18 15:25
schestowitz I’ve just downloaded FF3. It’s still within the 24hr slot. Jun 18 15:26
PetoKraus - user password (initial) is unknown, probably hashed -> therefore you need someone linux-savvy to change the password for you Jun 18 15:26
PetoKraus - WPA Enterprise is not working on the EEE 700 pc’s. It’s because the wireless card and bad kernel Jun 18 15:26
PetoKraus badly configured kernel. Jun 18 15:27
PetoKraus most of the companies I know use WPA’s with dynamic keys allocation -> you can’t use EEE’s on these networks. Jun 18 15:27
PetoKraus (with Xandros) Jun 18 15:27
schestowitz Look what I found earlier: [PJ: Excuse me. Did he just say that making the laptop with Windows costs Asus more than making it with Linux, but they charge the public the same price? What? They take away Linux's natural price advantage as a favor to Microsoft? What?] (context: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/new… ) Jun 18 15:29
schestowitz Also, Novell fools journos: http://www.itwire.com/conten… “Already announced, the new winner is IBM’s RoadRunner – the first supercomputer to break the ‘mythical’ 1 TFop/s barrier.  At a recent benchmark, it achieved 1.026 TFop/s on the Linpack benchmark.  The OS is yet to be confirmed, but pretty-much every other IBM computer in the list is running a version of SUSE.  I’ll be guessing much the same as you!” Jun 18 15:30
schestowitz No, sir. It runs Red Hat, but Novell sort of lied in its latest press release about it. Here. Official: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3… (Red Hat) Jun 18 15:30
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PetoKraus around 40% run SUSE.  Remarkably, most of the rest are running an unspecified version of Linux.  Very few are running anything else. Jun 18 15:35
PetoKraus haha Jun 18 15:35
schestowitz That’s because of IBM. Jun 18 15:35
schestowitz Luckily, Bob Sutor is no longer fond of SUSE and he calls the shots sometimes (I’d imagine). In fact, he purged Mono from his laptop and he now uses Red Hat and Ubuntu. He reads BN sometimes. Jun 18 15:36
schestowitz LanceHaig came here a moment ago (affiliated with Foresight Linux apparently). Jun 18 15:37
PetoKraus well Jun 18 15:38
PetoKraus i am gonna download ffx Jun 18 15:38
PetoKraus just for the sake of record Jun 18 15:38
schestowitz Guinness would be proud. I wonder why Foresight visited, but I know they do a lot of Mono, so… Jun 18 15:39
PetoKraus schestowitz: drm – related article: http://games.slashdot.org/a… Jun 18 15:40
*schestowitz reads Jun 18 15:40
schestowitz Re: ” Mass Effect DRM Still Causing Issues”, I remember the previous reports. They spread the DRM plague everywhere. Like in music, some start making a DRM-free (like MP3) business strategy to sell. Jun 18 15:43
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PetoKraus LOL: http://it.slashdot.org/a… Jun 18 15:49
PetoKraus “Hey Phil, the Tigers are about to score again, can ya toss me a nice hot latte without too much foam?? Your out? WTF? Ok…I’m outta here, lets to to the local Starbucks, where they know how to treat a sports crowd!!” Jun 18 15:55
schestowitz Yes, seen it half an hour ago. Jun 18 15:56
PetoKraus yeah. /. tends to be quite funny Jun 18 15:56
schestowitz I see that the new site banner has just invited ‘eet’ for some ‘hate mail’… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/… Jun 18 15:58
PetoKraus i don’t think trashing community distro is a good idea either Jun 18 16:01
PetoKraus even if it’s supported by suse Jun 18 16:01
PetoKraus -> novell Jun 18 16:02
schestowitz What do others think? The fact is that Novell relies on free labour from OpenSUSE. It has its employees working onn it. Jun 18 16:03
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Eruaran As far as I am concerned Novell is a pariah. Jun 18 16:08
schestowitz <Eruaran>, what do you think about the temporary image at the top? Jun 18 16:09
Eruaran Just Microsoft’s latest patsy, and all who tangle with it are dancing with the same devil. Jun 18 16:09
schestowitz I’m sure it’ll get me flamed. I got some insults when I asked people to skip 10.3 Jun 18 16:09
Eruaran Well it is provocative ;) Jun 18 16:10
schestowitz Hmmm… Jun 18 16:10
schestowitz Not intended. Well, if people have this image of an innocent ‘community’ distro, that won’t keep them away from Novell, by proxy Jun 18 16:10
Eruaran Novell is so much in bed with Microsoft that anything it touches is tainted as far as I’m concerned. Jun 18 16:12
schestowitz Yes, I know, but OSUSE devs don’t want to understand it. Hovsepian predicts getting /closer/ to Microsoft. Expect more dependence. Jun 18 16:12
Eruaran With one hand it contributes to free software and with the other it promotes poison (Mono, Moonlight) and takes part in Microsoft’s anti-free software FUD. Jun 18 16:14
schestowitz I’ll need to post that Mono item shortly. I also E-mailed Moglen and I hope to get a response (it’s a controversial thing). Jun 18 16:14
PetoKraus ok guys Jun 18 16:19
PetoKraus have a nice evening Jun 18 16:19
PetoKraus gotta fsck my knee in front of my girlfriend. :) see you Jun 18 16:20
Eruaran cya PetoKraus Jun 18 16:20
schestowitz Cya Jun 18 16:22
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ed_ roy; http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcint… Jun 18 17:47
ed_ dunno if you seen that already… Jun 18 17:48
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*schestowitz looks Jun 18 17:48
ed_ i’m off home now. cya Jun 18 17:48
schestowitz Cya buudy Jun 18 17:48
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