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| GoblinRFD |
right thats me done. |
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gn |
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Dec 09 00:55 |
| twitter |
speaking of nasty no share stuff, this looks like a fun article but I don’t think the publisher lets people look at it. http://ptonline.aip.org/journal… |
Dec 09 02:54 |
| kevin__ |
reminds me of the sites that disable your ability to right-click because they presume you’re going to steal their content |
Dec 09 02:55 |
| twitter |
I absolutely hate all the javascript and buttons journals require to download articles. It’s like they never want to leave dead trees and want to make sure no one but them can have libraries. |
Dec 09 02:56 |
| kevin__ |
even if your only intention is to have a screen reader read it  |
Dec 09 02:56 |
| twitter |
Is physics today locked up? |
Dec 09 02:56 |
| twitter |
The link is to a nice summary of battery tech. |
Dec 09 02:56 |
| twitter |
can you see the article? |
Dec 09 02:56 |
| kevin__ |
it asked me to login |
Dec 09 02:56 |
| twitter |
sorry I bothered then. |
Dec 09 02:57 |
| kevin__ |
lol |
Dec 09 02:57 |
| twitter |
AIP needs a better publisher. |
Dec 09 02:57 |
| kevin__ |
they’ve got some impressive batteries these days… charging to full in 15 minutes |
Dec 09 02:57 |
| kevin__ |
i’ve got some over here |
Dec 09 02:57 |
| twitter |
It’s like RMS said, publishes make you promise to be a bad person. The article was well written and I’d like to share it with people but the publisher would come down on me for it, so I can’t. |
Dec 09 03:02 |
| twitter |
:’( |
Dec 09 03:02 |
| twitter |
The same goons that come down on you for sharing are also busy vandalizing wikipedia. |
Dec 09 03:03 |
| kevin__ |
it seems more than a little dumb to post something online and not want to share it though |
Dec 09 03:04 |
| kevin__ |
i wonder if they’re aware that when user X reads the article, a person could be shiffing the packets and see it! oh nos! |
Dec 09 03:06 |
| kevin__ |
sniffing* |
Dec 09 03:06 |
| kevin__ |
they could use ssl though i suppose |
Dec 09 03:06 |
| twitter |
Oh, they let you have it and I could make a script that gets around their obfuscation and downloads everything, but I still could not share it the way people used to share paper copies. |
Dec 09 03:08 |
| twitter |
I remember a case where the RIAA ruined a business and basically stole the pensions of everyone working there because the people in the building had an ftp server with music on it. |
Dec 09 03:09 |
| kevin__ |
computers are great, but the day paper books die will be a sad one indeed |
Dec 09 03:09 |
| twitter |
Paper sucks. |
Dec 09 03:09 |
| twitter |
It’s heavy and a fire hazard. |
Dec 09 03:10 |
| twitter |
It’s much easier to organize and share electronic copies. |
Dec 09 03:10 |
| kevin__ |
but when i’m done reading it i can give it to you |
Dec 09 03:10 |
| twitter |
It’s not the pdf that sucks, it’s the law. |
Dec 09 03:10 |
| kevin__ |
and when you’re done reading it you can give it to tim |
Dec 09 03:10 |
| twitter |
If I had an electronic copy, anyone interested could find the article they wanted in a database and have it at the same time. |
Dec 09 03:11 |
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Dec 09 03:11 |
| kevin__ |
even some colleges have experimented with ebooks |
Dec 09 03:12 |
| kevin__ |
problem is, students might hack the readers and play tetris on them |
Dec 09 03:12 |
| twitter |
Physics today had the information that mattered neatly presented. Power and energy storage per weight, charge and discharge times, etc, the basics for reasonable comparison between batteries, capacitors, fuel cells, internal combustion and turbines. |
Dec 09 03:13 |
| twitter |
wikipedia is missing that info and is crapped up with irrelevant stuff. |
Dec 09 03:14 |
| twitter |
wikipedia used to be much better than that. |
Dec 09 03:14 |
| kevin__ |
they could mandate people registering in order to make changes… but they probably don’t want to do that for moral reasons |
Dec 09 03:15 |
| twitter |
registration is difficult if you want lots of participation. |
Dec 09 03:16 |
| kevin__ |
it would decrease “drive by” vandalism |
Dec 09 03:16 |
| twitter |
It would not eliminate the more damaging kind of vandalism caused by moles. |
Dec 09 03:16 |
| kevin__ |
i read somewhere that the wal*mart page is a mess |
Dec 09 03:17 |
| kevin__ |
editing wars ya know? |
Dec 09 03:17 |
| kevin__ |
i think it was on digg |
Dec 09 03:18 |
| twitter |
yes, I’ve seen that. Roy has done some good write ups on M$ paying people to edit and other forms of vandalism. |
Dec 09 03:18 |
| twitter |
got to go. bbl |
Dec 09 03:18 |
| kevin__ |
k |
Dec 09 03:18 |
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Dec 09 03:48 |
| Omar87 |
Hi all |
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Dec 09 08:09 |
| schestowitz |
Hi, Omar87 |
Dec 09 08:40 |
| kentma |
schestowitz: did you post very few News yesterday, Roy? |
Dec 09 08:48 |
| schestowitz |
Mostly after midnight, so I guess so. |
Dec 09 08:49 |
| schestowitz |
I’m not neglecting the posts, I do it periodically at different frequencies. |
Dec 09 08:49 |
| schestowitz |
BN is growing too fast. |
Dec 09 08:50 |
| schestowitz |
About 22000+ pageviews per day, so I dedicate more time to it. |
Dec 09 08:50 |
| kentma |
ah, that’s fine, it’s just that there were few from yesterday, so I wanted to be sure that nothing was wrong at my end. |
Dec 09 08:57 |
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Dec 09 08:57 |
| schestowitz |
Sometimes I just do it in a rush just to ensure we don’t miss a thing. Another government has just moved to GNU/Linux (Zimbabwe). |
Dec 09 08:59 |
| schestowitz |
But you want see or hear about this from Murdoch. |
Dec 09 08:59 |
| GoblinRFD |
Roy, do you ever sleep???!!?! |
Dec 09 09:02 |
| GoblinRFD |
lol |
Dec 09 09:02 |
| GoblinRFD |
Thats dedication!!! |
Dec 09 09:02 |
| GoblinRFD |
Ive managed to get the day off work, so Ive got a nice easy day now…… |
Dec 09 09:03 |
| MinceR |
geekings |
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Dec 09 09:04 |
| schestowitz |
Hey |
Dec 09 09:04 |
| GoblinRFD |
eh? |
Dec 09 09:05 |
| GoblinRFD |
my employer must be watching |
Dec 09 09:05 |
| GoblinRFD |
I was disconnected when I typed about having the day off |
Dec 09 09:05 |
| GoblinRFD |
Roy, I meant to ask. What size t-shirt are you? Those Microsoft clothes would make an excellent xmas pressy! |
Dec 09 09:06 |
| GoblinRFD |
Im certainly going to get one….?!!?? |
Dec 09 09:06 |
| GoblinRFD |
http://www.microsoft-watch.com/conten… |
Dec 09 09:06 |
| GoblinRFD |
I bet Andre Da Costa has a whole wardrobe by now. |
Dec 09 09:07 |
| schestowitz |
Complimentary. |
Dec 09 09:07 |
| schestowitz |
They send ‘em sum. |
Dec 09 09:08 |
| schestowitz |
Ones with Gates mugs. |
Dec 09 09:08 |
| schestowitz |
When he was arrested shortly. |
Dec 09 09:08 |
| schestowitz |
Then he got too many connections in government to be arrested again… even for /MUCH/ bigger crimes. |
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Dec 09 09:09 |
| GoblinRFD |
is MS having some sort of joke Im not getting? |
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Dec 09 09:10 |
| schestowitz |
It laughs at itself. Viral marketing. |
Dec 09 09:12 |
| schestowitz |
Notice the fact I never mentioned this clothing thing in BN. That’s what they would want people to do. |
Dec 09 09:13 |
| GoblinRFD |
you’ve got a point. |
Dec 09 09:13 |
| GoblinRFD |
I was just typing an article slating it. |
Dec 09 09:13 |
| GoblinRFD |
Ill stop |
Dec 09 09:13 |
| GoblinRFD |
doh. It must be early. |
Dec 09 09:14 |
| schestowitz |
They did another one. |
Dec 09 09:14 |
| schestowitz |
The one with a corny video clip about Vista… pretending it was internal and leaked. |
Dec 09 09:14 |
| GoblinRFD |
Ive seen a good t-shirt (probably fake) but it was all blue with the BSOD on the front….it was pretty sweet. |
Dec 09 09:15 |
| GoblinRFD |
But our youngest (3 1/2 months) has a “Linux Baby” baby grow. |
Dec 09 09:16 |
| GoblinRFD |
He supports Boycott Novell. |
Dec 09 09:16 |
| GoblinRFD |
there, Ive deleted that MS post. |
Dec 09 09:17 |
| schestowitz |
Which one? |
Dec 09 09:18 |
| schestowitz |
WordPress? |
Dec 09 09:19 |
| schestowitz |
I was going to link to it. I did last night in USENET. |
Dec 09 09:19 |
| GoblinRFD |
I was doing an article on the clothes. Ive decided not to now. I dont want to give it any attention on my site. |
Dec 09 09:22 |
| GoblinRFD |
and it was wordpress |
Dec 09 09:22 |
| _doug |
Power-One patent programable load regulators .. |
Dec 09 09:23 |
| _doug |
http://www.edn.com/blog/1470000147/po… |
Dec 09 09:23 |
| _doug |
That’s a voltage regulator connected to a digital bus :] |
Dec 09 09:24 |
| _doug |
A high-school project … |
Dec 09 09:24 |
| kentma |
If this continues, it’ll become impossible to design electronics at all. |
Dec 09 09:25 |
| _doug |
Go back a decade and you’ll see such circuits in the electronic magazines .. |
Dec 09 09:26 |
| kentma |
I know, I used to read them & buy them. |
Dec 09 09:26 |
| kentma |
Also, most magazine circuits were usually minor changes to the manufacturer’s recommended designs anyway. |
Dec 09 09:26 |
| kentma |
RA Penfold books used to contain the Mullard audio amp circuits with just a few minor changes, as an example. |
Dec 09 09:27 |
| _doug |
eg: a contactless switch using a CMOS NOR gate and a thyristor .. |
Dec 09 09:27 |
| kentma |
change a bc107 to a ztx313 and you’ve a new circuit… |
Dec 09 09:28 |
| _doug |
Take a look at a Marconi Radar unit from WW2 and you’ll see active power management |
Dec 09 09:28 |
| kentma |
or any tv or video recorder made since the mid 1970s. |
Dec 09 09:28 |
| _doug |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electr… |
Dec 09 09:29 |
| kentma |
I used to read Wireless World, Practical Wireless and I still get RAd Com. |
Dec 09 09:29 |
| kentma |
I also used to read everyday electronics when I was a schoolkid – lots of nice easy projects. |
Dec 09 09:29 |
| kentma |
Practical Electronics was good, and so was elektor |
Dec 09 09:30 |
| kentma |
Elektor was dutch, I think? |
Dec 09 09:30 |
| _doug |
Of course nowadays it would look suspicous, buying mercury tilt switches or timers :> |
Dec 09 09:32 |
| _doug |
But I only wanted to make a disco SLU .. |
Dec 09 09:33 |
| _doug |
Study: Fragmented EU patent system impedes innovation |
Dec 09 09:33 |
| _doug |
http://www.euractiv.com/en/innovation/study-fra… |
Dec 09 09:33 |
| _doug |
Guess who sponcered the ‘study’ .. |
Dec 09 09:34 |
| _doug |
“Jonathan Zuck of the Association for Competitive Technology (ACT” |
Dec 09 09:34 |
| _doug |
:] |
Dec 09 09:34 |
| kentma |
Hehe… |
Dec 09 09:34 |
| kentma |
Tilt switches were all the rage in the 70s… |
Dec 09 09:34 |
| MinceR |
what’s an SLU? |
Dec 09 09:35 |
| _doug |
Sound to Light unit .. flashing lights to the music .. |
Dec 09 09:36 |
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Dec 09 09:36 |
| _doug |
I used a tyristor opto-coupled to some digital circuits .. Z80 cpu etc |
Dec 09 09:37 |
| _doug |
Friendster patent social networking .. |
Dec 09 09:39 |
| _doug |
http://venturebeat.com/2008/12/08/friendster-nabs-fourth… |
Dec 09 09:39 |
| _doug |
‘The patent in question is in regards to the “compatibility scoring of users in a social network,” ‘ |
Dec 09 09:39 |
| _doug |
they patented Correlation of a data set ? |
Dec 09 09:40 |
| _doug |
LocaModa patent mobile social interactive content .. |
Dec 09 09:42 |
| _doug |
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008… |
Dec 09 09:42 |
| _doug |
“A system and method for providing and managing location-based interactive content.” |
Dec 09 09:42 |
| schestowitz |
_doug: how do you know ACT funded it? |
Dec 09 09:42 |
| _doug |
It say so inthe article – wake up schest .. |
Dec 09 09:43 |
| kentma |
SLU’s were all the rage in the 70s, too, along with flares, sequined trousers, high-heeled boots & makeup, and that was the boys … |
Dec 09 09:43 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll read carefully (I haven’t) |
Dec 09 09:43 |
| _doug |
yea, I also designed a nuclear triggering device, only couldn’t get the parts mail-order .. |
Dec 09 09:43 |
| _doug |
:] |
Dec 09 09:44 |
| _doug |
it’s all to do with maintaining integrity of the pressure vessel .. |
Dec 09 09:44 |
| kentma |
maplin are not what they were… |
Dec 09 09:44 |
| _doug |
Haaaaa !!!! |
Dec 09 09:45 |
| kentma |
oddly, they don’t seem to supply 15″ barrels, either |
Dec 09 09:45 |
| _doug |
Long term these kind of patents are going to stifle the economy. Do we really want such a system in Europe ? |
Dec 09 09:46 |
| _doug |
The coming technological ‘Dark Age’ .. |
Dec 09 09:47 |
| _doug |
http://citizeneconomists.com/blogs/2008/… |
Dec 09 09:47 |
| kentma |
positively not, no. We need to foster a period of technical development. |
Dec 09 09:47 |
| _doug |
‘Freedom in Computing’ conference to be held in India .. |
Dec 09 09:51 |
| _doug |
http://www.expressbuzz.com/e… |
Dec 09 09:51 |
| _doug |
“Richard Stallman .. will deliver the keynote address ..The conference will begin with the keynote address .. by Eben Moglen” |
Dec 09 09:52 |
| _doug |
RepairPal patent repair price estimates .. |
Dec 09 09:54 |
| _doug |
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/RepairPal-… |
Dec 09 09:54 |
| _doug |
“RepairPal’s unique, patent-pending system relies on multiple sources of proprietary data to provide accurate repair price estimates” |
Dec 09 09:55 |
| _doug |
how the f**k can you patent a function to sum a list of data values .. |
Dec 09 09:55 |
| kentma |
it’s like a gold-rush |
Dec 09 09:56 |
| kentma |
in fact, that’s precisely what it is. |
Dec 09 09:56 |
| _doug |
they’ve patented addition display max((sum($dataset.A)) |
Dec 09 09:56 |
| kentma |
We have a “land-grab” or “gold-rush” underway, with everyone convinced that these mini-monopolies will result in huge payback later. |
Dec 09 09:56 |
| kentma |
I wonder where they believe that the money will come /from/? |
Dec 09 09:57 |
| _doug |
the ‘third world’ |
Dec 09 09:57 |
| _doug |
That’s why we need multi-national ‘trade’ agreements .. |
Dec 09 09:57 |
| _doug |
but China isn’t playing ball .. |
Dec 09 09:58 |
| _doug |
“Schwab told a press briefing that there were mutual concern expressed about the danger of trade protectionism “ |
Dec 09 09:59 |
| _doug |
Schwab to China: BOGU .. |
Dec 09 09:59 |
| kentma |
indeed. |
Dec 09 10:03 |
| _doug |
translation: you sell us your oil and minerals and we’ll sell you our patent protected intellectual property .. |
Dec 09 10:04 |
| kentma |
you’d have to be pretty naive to fall for it… |
Dec 09 10:04 |
| _doug |
you drop friendly hints and don’t exactly put it like that .. |
Dec 09 10:04 |
| MinceR |
_doug: i see |
Dec 09 10:05 |
| _doug |
China, India and the US have farm tariffs to protect local food producers, but only China and India are reguired to give it up .. |
Dec 09 10:06 |
| _doug |
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122878… |
Dec 09 10:07 |
| _doug |
You drop your tariffs and we’ll let you sign a piece of paper .. |
Dec 09 10:07 |
| _doug |
YOu also get to pay us for making your own drugs  |
Dec 09 10:08 |
| _doug |
‘Protectionist’ only became a problem when the economic downturn hit the US |
Dec 09 10:09 |
| _doug |
As usual you have to decode what they really mean: |
Dec 09 10:09 |
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Dec 09 10:10 |
| _doug |
“we discussed the importance of domestic-led growth, and the importance of a market-determined currency in promoting balanced growth in China that will contribute to a healthy global economy” |
Dec 09 10:10 |
| _doug |
‘market-determined currency’ == do-not-even-think-of-moving-off the $DOLLAR |
Dec 09 10:10 |
| _doug |
“the U.S. and China .. will make available an additional $20 billion .. creditworthy importers in developing economies” |
Dec 09 10:11 |
| _doug |
We lend you money, you buy our goods, we get our money back, you go into debt … |
Dec 09 10:12 |
| Casperin |
I’m sure IMF wouldn’t put it that way |
Dec 09 10:14 |
| _doug |
Well no, but I do wonder what China is going to do with two trillion US$ dollars, |
Dec 09 10:18 |
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Dec 09 10:19 |
| Casperin |
Aren’t they being pretty blatant about trying to sell them off? I think I read that somewhere long ago |
Dec 09 10:19 |
| _doug |
If this was a poker game, then I would include the Rusians as well. Does the US realize it can’t dictate to the rest, anymore ? |
Dec 09 10:20 |
| _doug |
Russia has all the OIL, and China provides cheap goods .. |
Dec 09 10:21 |
| Casperin |
South America has a lot of oil as well… but of course less military |
Dec 09 10:22 |
| _doug |
Well, lets go and liberate it :] |
Dec 09 10:22 |
| Casperin |
but yeah.. I think they realize heh… The Russia/Georgia controversy showed that pretty clearly |
Dec 09 10:23 |
| Casperin |
haha yeah… those poor Latins don’t know what’s good for them  |
Dec 09 10:23 |
| schestowitz |
No, _doug, no ‘liberation’ |
Dec 09 10:23 |
| schestowitz |
(not again) |
Dec 09 10:23 |
| Casperin |
it has worked so far… |
Dec 09 10:24 |
| schestowitz |
Casperin: the CIA will come to assassinate the ‘bad guys’ |
Dec 09 10:24 |
| _doug |
Is the US in the best position to advise the rest of the world on economic issues, considering they are the same people that caused the current crises ? |
Dec 09 10:24 |
| schestowitz |
[bad to whom?] |
Dec 09 10:24 |
| Casperin |
they almost succeeded overthrowing Chavez in.. when was it? 2002? I don’t even remember |
Dec 09 10:26 |
| _doug |
The sub-prime crises caused by the deregulation of the morgage market wayback on pres Reagans watch .. |
Dec 09 10:26 |
| _doug |
Chavez is runnning a mixed-market socialism sustem, similar to the UK just after WW2 .. |
Dec 09 10:27 |
| Casperin |
yeah.. I am *really* puzzled about that. I mean, I have formal education in this field, and *I* can clearly see how bad that policy is… yet they don’t/didn’t.. amazing |
Dec 09 10:28 |
| _doug |
Ironically, it works when there isw a strong private market ecomomy, or OIL .. |
Dec 09 10:28 |
| schestowitz |
Casperin: Well, they killed Che Guevara |
Dec 09 10:28 |
| schestowitz |
“Guevara left Cuba in 1965 to incite revolutions first in an unsuccessful attempt in Congo-Kinshasa and then in Bolivia, where he was captured with the help of the CIA and executed.” < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara > |
Dec 09 10:28 |
| Casperin |
and buried him behind some airport.. |
Dec 09 10:28 |
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Dec 09 10:29 |
| schestowitz |
Airport? |
Dec 09 10:29 |
| _doug |
not see the bad policy: I once had a cat, I fed it a whole gumbo tim of catfood in one sitting, just to see when it would stop. It never stopped eating .. |
Dec 09 10:29 |
| Casperin |
yeah.. if I recall correctly |
Dec 09 10:29 |
| schestowitz |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fr… |
Dec 09 10:29 |
| schestowitz |
“Entitled “The passion of the Che”, this photo displays the corpse of Marxist revolutionary Che Guevara one day after his execution. His body was put on display to the world’s press to prove that in fact he had been captured and killed by Bolivian rangers with assistance from the CIA.” |
Dec 09 10:30 |
| schestowitz |
Blame the “Bolivian rangers” |
Dec 09 10:30 |
| _doug |
the market, is just like my cat, it’s unable to stop .. |
Dec 09 10:30 |
| schestowitz |
Does your cat decline? |
Dec 09 10:30 |
| Casperin |
oh.. hmm.. I must be wrong then.. my bad.. just thought his body/bones were lost |
Dec 09 10:30 |
| Casperin |
lol |
Dec 09 10:30 |
| schestowitz |
Don’t work. Change (TM) is on the way |
Dec 09 10:31 |
| Casperin |
it expands… like a bubble  |
Dec 09 10:31 |
| schestowitz |
In fact, Obama is already talking to his buddy BillG |
Dec 09 10:31 |
| _doug |
Cuba, like Soviet Russia, no one is rich, but everyone is provided a basic subsistance .. |
Dec 09 10:31 |
| schestowitz |
_doug: they ruin them on purpose too |
Dec 09 10:31 |
| schestowitz |
Embargo for starters |
Dec 09 10:31 |
| _doug |
Except for the party elite, who live in mansions and go on foreign travel |
Dec 09 10:31 |
| _doug |
I guess the socalist experement is over .. |
Dec 09 10:32 |
| schestowitz |
in other countries they destory basic infrastructures like ater supplies to ‘punish’ the population and say “look, the system there doesn’t work” |
Dec 09 10:32 |
| schestowitz |
Look what they are doign now in the middle east. |
Dec 09 10:32 |
| _doug |
………………………………………………………. |
Dec 09 10:33 |
| _doug |
Innovation lessons from the 1930s |
Dec 09 10:33 |
| _doug |
http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/Innovation_less… |
Dec 09 10:33 |
| Casperin |
yeah.. we are running a mixed economy as well (Denmark), and we are one of the richest countries in the world.. because we’re so small nobody cares enough to attack us |
Dec 09 10:33 |
| _doug |
Casperin:do you have any OIL ? |
Dec 09 10:33 |
| _doug |
|
Dec 09 10:33 |
| schestowitz |
Or arms? |
Dec 09 10:34 |
| Casperin |
a little.. not enough to sell |
Dec 09 10:34 |
| schestowitz |
Or IP? |
Dec 09 10:34 |
| schestowitz |
|
Dec 09 10:34 |
| Casperin |
some… and we’re in Afghanistan.. but it’s like a fart in the wind |
Dec 09 10:34 |
| Casperin |
heh dunno |
Dec 09 10:34 |
| Casperin |
I saw some article actually.. that 3 out of 4 companies here completely ignore patenting their stuff |
Dec 09 10:34 |
| Casperin |
http://ing.dk/artikel/90891-tre-ud-af-fire… Danish =/ |
Dec 09 10:35 |
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Dec 09 10:36 |
| _doug |
As i said, mixed economies only work with a working market, when there is a downturn, the gove turns to borrowing and raising taxes to fund social services. So the voters end up paying off the national debt and gettign nothing in return. Which is why here, Labor eventually got kicked out, untill they became the Conservative party in disguise .. |
Dec 09 10:36 |
| Casperin |
uk? |
Dec 09 10:36 |
| _doug |
yea – new labor = old tory |
Dec 09 10:37 |
| Casperin |
the whole idea of creating money out of nothing is dangerous… imo that’s the fundamental flaw |
Dec 09 10:38 |
| _doug |
It’s like in physics, you don’t create energy just move it around. You don’t create wealth, just move it around, as in moving OIL from underground to your car .. |
Dec 09 10:39 |
| Casperin |
exactly |
Dec 09 10:40 |
| Casperin |
I guess creating money can be seen as a kind of tax then |
Dec 09 10:40 |
| _doug |
It’s curious that the stock traders borrowed a function from physics to describe financial ‘instrument’ , Black/Scholes |
Dec 09 10:41 |
| Casperin |
they did? |
Dec 09 10:41 |
| _doug |
In physics we have entropy, in finance we have inflation .. |
Dec 09 10:42 |
| _doug |
The Black–Scholes PDE is a partial differential equation which (in the model) must be satisfied by the price of a derivative on the equity |
Dec 09 10:42 |
| _doug |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl… |
Dec 09 10:42 |
| _doug |
It somehow gave it credibility .. |
Dec 09 10:42 |
| _doug |
It’s scientific, so must be valid .. |
Dec 09 10:42 |
| _doug |
And here’s the magic formula that brought the US economy to it’s knees .. |
Dec 09 10:43 |
| _doug |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/0/0/9/009ae… |
Dec 09 10:43 |
| Casperin |
doesn’t look so scary to me |
Dec 09 10:44 |
| schestowitz |
The US? |
Dec 09 10:45 |
| schestowitz |
They brought down the whole US-wannabe world that followed the advice of Debt Culture. |
Dec 09 10:45 |
| schestowitz |
If I make $X per month, then surely I can afford a loan of $12X for the year to come, right? (hint: assuming I keep the job) |
Dec 09 10:46 |
| Casperin |
it’s going even further… even places like Japan is taking major blows |
Dec 09 10:46 |
| schestowitz |
China too. |
Dec 09 10:46 |
| schestowitz |
But they have wealth |
Dec 09 10:47 |
| Casperin |
okay bad example.. but.. many places |
Dec 09 10:47 |
| Casperin |
yeah |
Dec 09 10:47 |
| schestowitz |
America is still relying on borrowings. |
Dec 09 10:47 |
| schestowitz |
CHina is already turning awau |
Dec 09 10:47 |
| _doug |
Read ‘Liar’s Poker’ by Michael Lewis to see a description of when and where thy invented dicing-and-slicing morgages and endlessly reselling them .. |
Dec 09 10:47 |
| Casperin |
their main problem is that we don’t want to borrow as much from them as we used to |
Dec 09 10:47 |
| schestowitz |
“No dollaz for us, thank you” |
Dec 09 10:47 |
| _doug |
http://www.mondaynote.com/2008/03/03/finan… |
Dec 09 10:47 |
| Casperin |
hah |
Dec 09 10:48 |
| Casperin |
oh Roy.. I really enjoy your link dumps.. keep that up |
Dec 09 10:49 |
| schestowitz |
Thanks. |
Dec 09 10:51 |
| schestowitz |
I just posted some more. |
Dec 09 10:51 |
| Casperin |
I saw them.. I’ll check them out later.. have to get going here. |
Dec 09 10:51 |
| Casperin |
bbl |
Dec 09 10:52 |
| _doug |
MS re-innovates the Web Portal .. |
Dec 09 10:52 |
| _doug |
http://blogs.zdnet.com/mic… |
Dec 09 10:52 |
| schestowitz |
Casperin: if you have suggestions for improving them, please say so. |
Dec 09 10:53 |
| schestowitz |
I could, for example, provide a snippet for all of them. |
Dec 09 10:53 |
| schestowitz |
_doug: it’s dead in the water |
Dec 09 10:54 |
| schestowitz |
The Live effort. |
Dec 09 10:54 |
| schestowitz |
First comment is from an AstroTurfer (anti-FOSS): No_Ax_to_Grind |
Dec 09 10:54 |
| schestowitz |
_doug: on ACT: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/0… |
Dec 09 10:55 |
| _doug |
Will EU repeat US copyright error? |
Dec 09 10:56 |
| _doug |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technolog… |
Dec 09 10:56 |
| Casperin |
schestowitz, sure, I will |
Dec 09 10:56 |
| Casperin |
they forgot the ‘t’ in terror |
Dec 09 10:57 |
| schestowitz |
HAHA |
Dec 09 10:57 |
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Dec 09 10:57 |
| PetoKraus |
_doug: thank you |
Dec 09 10:57 |
| PetoKraus |
fucking dicks, honestly…. and i am pissed off before breakfast |
Dec 09 10:57 |
| schestowitz |
McCreevy and cr0nies will do the damage |
Dec 09 10:58 |
| schestowitz |
They have the MSBBC telling sob stories that are one sided to usher these monopolies |
Dec 09 10:59 |
| PetoKraus |
you know |
Dec 09 10:59 |
| PetoKraus |
this copyright extension act |
Dec 09 10:59 |
| PetoKraus |
can be described as THEM stealing our-to-be data from US |
Dec 09 10:59 |
| PetoKraus |
yet no one charges them with “piracy” charges |
Dec 09 11:00 |
| Casperin |
I think techdirt had a really nice point in saying that copyright law is to encourage production; not social welfare |
Dec 09 11:00 |
| schestowitz |
“The US extension of copyright has turned almost every work created in America’s history into an “orphan” — a work whose copyright has not expired, but whose copyright holder has been lost to the mists of time.” |
Dec 09 11:00 |
| PetoKraus |
schestowitz: i know |
Dec 09 11:00 |
| PetoKraus |
i tried to contact the label of one band for permission to use their song in my biking video |
Dec 09 11:00 |
| PetoKraus |
1) the label is dead |
Dec 09 11:00 |
| PetoKraus |
2) the band is dead |
Dec 09 11:01 |
| schestowitz |
But Casperin, Nancy (Sinatra) doesn’t want to get a job |
Dec 09 11:01 |
| PetoKraus |
3) no emails whatsoever… what now? |
Dec 09 11:01 |
| Casperin |
hehehe |
Dec 09 11:01 |
| schestowitz |
She lobbies for welfare to sons of b* |
Dec 09 11:01 |
| Casperin |
yeah… you don’t have to convince me that it’s insanity.. but, even from their own stated goal of such laws, is this a completely ludicrous thing to do |
Dec 09 11:02 |
| Casperin |
argh yeah.. pisses me off too  |
Dec 09 11:03 |
| PetoKraus |
i wonder how can i contact the copyright holder |
Dec 09 11:03 |
| Casperin |
hire a detective? =/ |
Dec 09 11:04 |
| schestowitz |
Who would sue? |
Dec 09 11:05 |
| schestowitz |
it’s expansionism |
Dec 09 11:06 |
| schestowitz |
This type of imperialism thought the likes of McCreecy is not far unique from what they do when they overthrow government or fuel wars (not them…. just… with their ‘assistance’) |
Dec 09 11:06 |
| schestowitz |
*through |
Dec 09 11:06 |
| PetoKraus |
schestowitz: no one would sue, but it is still annoying |
Dec 09 11:07 |
| PetoKraus |
i want to know who holds the copyright for the thing |
Dec 09 11:07 |
| schestowitz |
Europeans making their own music… scary thought! |
Dec 09 11:07 |
| PetoKraus |
and i wan’t to ask him for permission |
Dec 09 11:07 |
| Casperin |
lol |
Dec 09 11:07 |
| PetoKraus |
shouldn’t that be easy thing to do? |
Dec 09 11:07 |
| Casperin |
Abba was the height of european music |
Dec 09 11:07 |
| schestowitz |
The sad thing is, it’s not the singers’ fault |
Dec 09 11:07 |
| PetoKraus |
i’m glad you didn’t say beatles |
Dec 09 11:07 |
| schestowitz |
They want their art to spread |
Dec 09 11:08 |
| PetoKraus |
UK Prog Rock is both prime examples |
Dec 09 11:08 |
| schestowitz |
And yet, they follow the conventional route (often they must) which is copyrights. |
Dec 09 11:08 |
| Casperin |
I could’ve said Aqua.. |
Dec 09 11:08 |
| PetoKraus |
of the teribleness and greatness of EU music… |
Dec 09 11:08 |
| *PetoKraus np: Yes – Starship Trooper: Life Seeker/Disillusion/Würm (The Yes Album) |
Dec 09 11:08 |
| schestowitz |
It imprisons their work rather than have it shared widely. It impedes their potential. |
Dec 09 11:08 |
| schestowitz |
Haha. |
Dec 09 11:09 |
| schestowitz |
Funny you mentioned Aqua |
Dec 09 11:09 |
| schestowitz |
I coded their album as Ogg the other day |
Dec 09 11:09 |
| schestowitz |
It’s a CD I got when I was like 15 |
Dec 09 11:09 |
| Casperin |
you bad you |
Dec 09 11:09 |
| schestowitz |
And I know Danish people consider them an embarrassment |
Dec 09 11:09 |
| Casperin |
stealing money from my Danish artist friends |
Dec 09 11:09 |
| Casperin |
lol yeah.. |
Dec 09 11:09 |
| schestowitz |
Aqua… yes, that was two days ago. I put all my CDs on this HDD |
Dec 09 11:10 |
| schestowitz |
Not stealing |
Dec 09 11:10 |
| schestowitz |
Copying for personal purposes. |
Dec 09 11:10 |
| schestowitz |
The CDs become just lossless backup |
Dec 09 11:10 |
| Casperin |
oh, right.. you can do that |
Dec 09 11:10 |
| Casperin |
(still) |
Dec 09 11:10 |
| schestowitz |
I think the MAFIAA challenges this right right now |
Dec 09 11:10 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe they’ll encourage poor production of CDs too |
Dec 09 11:11 |
| Casperin |
what for? |
Dec 09 11:11 |
| schestowitz |
This way…erosion of media of change of media (CD->DVD->HD/Blu-Ray) they can expire old stuff so you starve and buy some more |
Dec 09 11:11 |
| schestowitz |
I still have my tapes |
Dec 09 11:12 |
| Casperin |
hmm.. clever.. you should work for this industry |
Dec 09 11:12 |
| schestowitz |
No, which industry? |
Dec 09 11:12 |
| Casperin |
music industry of course.. |
Dec 09 11:12 |
| _doug |
“WXOW-TV AND ITS AFFILIATES ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE OR LIABLE .. FOR ANY DAMAGE TO, OR VIRUS THAT MAY INFECT, YOUR COMPUTER EQUIPMENT OR OTHER PROPERTY” |
Dec 09 11:12 |
| _doug |
http://www.wxow.com/Global/sto… |
Dec 09 11:12 |
| schestowitz |
My parents still have a modern gramophone, so I can listen to original Jackson 5 records. |
Dec 09 11:13 |
| schestowitz |
Casperin: music industry is worse than the likes of Apple |
Dec 09 11:13 |
| _doug |
Not liable to generate much confidence .. |
Dec 09 11:13 |
| Casperin |
hah |
Dec 09 11:13 |
| schestowitz |
They ruin people’s life… treating them like disposable sponges and leaving them to rot with debt and dreams. |
Dec 09 11:13 |
| Casperin |
both worlds are sick |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| schestowitz |
The copyrights cartel should have some of its people sentenced. |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| Casperin |
my dad just tossed his box because it was “ruined by virus” |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| schestowitz |
The problem is, they control the government. They are super wealthy and they even got Biden in their pocket |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| _doug |
Secunia PSI security threats identified: |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| schestowitz |
Casperin: my mom too |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| schestowitz |
The ‘computer’ is infected |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| _doug |
Adobe Flash Player 9.x (ActiveX Control) |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| _doug |
Microsoft Internet Explorer 7.x |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| _doug |
Microsoft Windows XP Professional |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| _doug |
Microsoft XML Core Services (MSXML) 3.x |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| _doug |
Sun Java JRE 1.6.x / 6.x |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| _doug |
Sun Java JRE 1.6.x / 6.x |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| schestowitz |
Reminds me of an old saying |
Dec 09 11:14 |
| Casperin |
did she hammer the HD and everything else inside too? Just so nobody could get stuff out of it? |
Dec 09 11:15 |
| schestowitz |
About people who commit suicide… they kill those bodies although there’s nothing wrong with them (just mental issues) |
Dec 09 11:15 |
| Casperin |
haha |
Dec 09 11:15 |
| schestowitz |
Windows = brain? |
Dec 09 11:15 |
| Casperin |
I’m not liking this analogy… |
Dec 09 11:16 |
| Casperin |
windows and brain doesn’t belong in the same sentence |
Dec 09 11:16 |
| PetoKraus |
alright, i *might have* found label, which is parent label of that label of that artist of that song |
Dec 09 11:16 |
| schestowitz |
It’s the bad brain though (mental issues) |
Dec 09 11:16 |
| PetoKraus |
mailto: song.getArtist().getLabel().getParentLabel().getEmail(); |
Dec 09 11:17 |
| Casperin |
=/ |
Dec 09 11:17 |
| PetoKraus |
everything is easier and cleaner with Java™ |
Dec 09 11:18 |
| Casperin |
schestowitz, just out of curiosity.. how on earth do have time to put out that many posts on your blog? |
Dec 09 11:19 |
| Casperin |
are you a security guard with a laptop or something? |
Dec 09 11:19 |
| schestowitz |
Casperin: I improves over time (years) |
Dec 09 11:19 |
| schestowitz |
*improved |
Dec 09 11:20 |
| Casperin |
well done then.. I applaud you |
Dec 09 11:20 |
| schestowitz |
Thanks. |
Dec 09 11:20 |
| Casperin |
now bbl.. got a girl to see ^^ |
Dec 09 11:20 |
| schestowitz |
Have fun |
Dec 09 11:21 |
| schestowitz |
Not lots of fun (cause that’s Novell SUSE) |
Dec 09 11:21 |
| schestowitz |
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122879211… |
Dec 09 11:31 |
| PetoKraus |
:/ |
Dec 09 11:32 |
| macabe |
Roy: Is linuxdevices.com taking MS money? |
Dec 09 11:51 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.p2pnet.net/s… ( RIAA targets transplant patient Ciara Sauro ) |
Dec 09 11:52 |
| schestowitz |
macabe: they stll do MS ads? |
Dec 09 11:53 |
| schestowitz |
It’s eWeek |
Dec 09 11:53 |
| macabe |
OK, yes I see it. |
Dec 09 11:53 |
| schestowitz |
Its’s the writer vs publisher thing. |
Dec 09 11:54 |
| schestowitz |
Same in LinuxToday |
Dec 09 11:54 |
| macabe |
They’re kind’ve claiming Asus started the netbook move. |
Dec 09 11:54 |
| schestowitz |
True |
Dec 09 11:54 |
| schestowitz |
OL{C |
Dec 09 11:54 |
| schestowitz |
Intel used ASUS to ruins OLPC |
Dec 09 11:55 |
| macabe |
IIRC OLPC was fighting Intel & MS when the first Asus came out. |
Dec 09 11:55 |
| schestowitz |
I have proof |
Dec 09 11:55 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft was later muscling ASUS |
Dec 09 11:56 |
| macabe |
I see it’s a Ziff-Gates Ent. Will leave a comment. Thanks |
Dec 09 12:04 |
| schestowitz |
It’s banjrupt |
Dec 09 12:06 |
| schestowitz |
Let it be so |
Dec 09 12:06 |
| schestowitz |
I know the editors of this site |
Dec 09 12:06 |
| schestowitz |
But they are NOT the publishers |
Dec 09 12:06 |
| schestowitz |
It’s the usual conflict between greedy SOBs that don’t care about Freedom and those who work for them |
Dec 09 12:06 |
| schestowitz |
Same in Linux.com (I had this argument with Joe Barr) |
Dec 09 12:06 |
| schestowitz |
In LinuxToday, neither Carla nor Brian liked the MS ads, but it’s there. |
Dec 09 12:07 |
| schestowitz |
Had we boycottted site that do this, not much would be left to cite |
Dec 09 12:07 |
| *neighborlee has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
Dec 09 12:07 |
| schestowitz |
Also, despite the fact that BN blocks sites like ms.com and novell.com (among others), the ads still make it in sometimes, through their ‘partners’ and ‘ecosystem’. Very annoying. |
Dec 09 12:07 |
| macabe |
If anyone’s the cancer, it’s ms and their ads. They ooze into almost every site. |
Dec 09 12:09 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, it’s a marketing company |
Dec 09 12:10 |
| schestowitz |
Apple’s the same… making people believe that only iPods will play music decently. |
Dec 09 12:11 |
| schestowitz |
Eric Lai goes on a “PIRATE” propaganda… http://www.linuxworld.com.au/author/14… |
Dec 09 12:12 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.linuxworld.com.au/article/270170/brie… It’s not piracy; he should stop parroting abusive terms from criminals in suits |
Dec 09 12:13 |
| schestowitz |
http://monty-says.blogspot.com/2008/11/oops-we-did-i… |
Dec 09 12:15 |
| schestowitz |
Good video: First ever computer mouse demo < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7772376.stm > |
Dec 09 12:18 |
| schestowitz |
Terror = Jobs < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/1… > |
Dec 09 12:40 |
| schestowitz |
Sentimental blackmail (selling abuse under the guise of charity..): http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/… .. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/04/c… |
Dec 09 12:48 |
| schestowitz |
Embrace… and extend…”Microsoft made the Oxite source code available for download on December 5. Oxite is available under the Microsoft Public License (MS-Pl), one of its OSI-certified open-source licenses.” http://blogs.zdnet.com/micr… |
Dec 09 12:52 |
| schestowitz |
8000 to be laid off in Sony: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/… ; http://feeds.theinquirer.net/c/554/f/712… |
Dec 09 12:58 |
| schestowitz |
H*ly Cr*p: http://www.pcworld.com/article/155158/ti_… “Texas Instruments pulled down its profit forecast for the December quarter by as much as two-thirds on Monday, and it also cut its revenue expectations, saying the economic downturn is having a powerful impact on the market for its chips.” |
Dec 09 13:00 |
| schestowitz |
Report: 21 Million German Bank Accounts for Sale < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155149… > “Reporters for WirtschaftsWoche (Economic Week) managed to obtain a CD containing 1.2 million accounts after a November face-to-face meeting with criminals in a Hamburg hotel, according to the magazine.” Easy when half of all PCs are zombies |
Dec 09 13:05 |
| *Eruaran (n=jeremy@183.110.208.203.cable.dyn.gex.ncable.com.au) has joined #boycottnovell |
Dec 09 13:26 |
| Eruaran |
hello all |
Dec 09 13:26 |
| schestowitz |
Hey there. |
Dec 09 13:28 |
| Eruaran |
hi Roy |
Dec 09 13:28 |
| schestowitz |
Any news from down under? |
Dec 09 13:30 |
| Eruaran |
Only that people aren’t happy about the web censorship thing |
Dec 09 13:30 |
| Eruaran |
I was reading Locutus’s musings on “Where will Linux be in ten years time? “ |
Dec 09 13:32 |
| Eruaran |
It got me thinking |
Dec 09 13:32 |
| schestowitz |
Mr. Shields… |
Dec 09 13:33 |
| Eruaran |
I’ve commented but its under moderation atm |
Dec 09 13:33 |
| schestowitz |
Wow. I’ve just noticed BN climbed to 3300th in Netcraft. |
Dec 09 13:34 |
| Eruaran |
Thats interesting |
Dec 09 13:34 |
| schestowitz |
It will be nice when we pass Groklaw. |
Dec 09 13:34 |
| schestowitz |
(If) |
Dec 09 13:34 |
| Eruaran |
After all… teh internetz are a big place |
Dec 09 13:34 |
| schestowitz |
Too big for those that favouyr /narrow/ point of view |
Dec 09 13:35 |
| Eruaran |
Interesting trivia: March was once the first month of the year. |
Dec 09 13:37 |
| schestowitz |
http://techdirt.com/articles/200… (Do We Really Want An Internet Run By Lynch Mobs?) |
Dec 09 13:38 |
| schestowitz |
So the year did not begin as cold and rainy then. Different religions still have different dates set as start of year. |
Dec 09 13:39 |
| schestowitz |
North could be south and south could be north, Greewich could be the corner of the world. All arbitrary choice, like an axis… same with months |
Dec 09 13:40 |
| schestowitz |
Numbers too… we have a decimal system probably because we have ten fingers on our two hands. |
Dec 09 13:40 |
| Eruaran |
The planet Jupiter has very low density |
Dec 09 13:42 |
| Eruaran |
Lower than water |
Dec 09 13:42 |
| Eruaran |
It could float in your bathtub |
Dec 09 13:43 |
| Eruaran |
(of your bathtub was big enough) |
Dec 09 13:43 |
| schestowitz |
I might try that later |
Dec 09 13:43 |
| Eruaran |
what about hexadecimal ? |
Dec 09 13:45 |
| Eruaran |
|
Dec 09 13:45 |
| schestowitz |
It’s a more natural number |
Dec 09 13:45 |
| schestowitz |
It’s a very good one…. like 260 |
Dec 09 13:45 |
| schestowitz |
*360 |
Dec 09 13:45 |
| Eruaran |
That article sounds like a lawyer complaining that he doesn’t get paid if admins are allowed to just disconnect spam merchants |
Dec 09 13:47 |
| schestowitz |
This one is mystifying: http://www.deviceguru.com/top-ten-w… |
Dec 09 13:47 |
| schestowitz |
No word on nuclear weapons, global warming and hunger as harms to civilisation, just Earth as a whole. |
Dec 09 13:48 |
| schestowitz |
Spammers clogged up a mailing list of mine |
Dec 09 13:48 |
| Eruaran |
Aliens |
Dec 09 13:48 |
| schestowitz |
I spent too much time on it this morning. |
Dec 09 13:49 |
| schestowitz |
Mailman won’t load |
Dec 09 13:49 |
| Eruaran |
It will definately be aliens |
Dec 09 13:49 |
| schestowitz |
It has megabyte on spam on queue… Firefox goes nuts and when I manage to get it to load I get a server internal error due to excessive load. I might need to admins to step in because of those spammers. |
Dec 09 13:50 |
| schestowitz |
What a productivity waste. http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displa… (Marching off to cyberwar) |
Dec 09 13:50 |
| Eruaran |
We brought spam filtering to our lawyer clients |
Dec 09 13:50 |
| Eruaran |
Around 80% of their traffic was spam |
Dec 09 13:50 |
| schestowitz |
They should soon make a law that forbid Windows except for in very special circumstances. It has become a huge harm to the digital world… a big sore. |
Dec 09 13:50 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft should be sued just lime the MAFIAA does.. |
Dec 09 13:51 |
| Eruaran |
They should be |
Dec 09 13:51 |
| Eruaran |
For criminal negligence |
Dec 09 13:51 |
| schestowitz |
Negligence is no excuse. |
Dec 09 13:51 |
| schestowitz |
And I’m very gentle and conservative about it, compared to some. |
Dec 09 13:51 |
| schestowitz |
“Our products just aren’t engineered for security.” — Brian Valentine, Microsoft executive < http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/0… > |
Dec 09 13:52 |
| Eruaran |
They know what needs to be done in terms of security for example |
Dec 09 13:52 |
| Eruaran |
But they wont do it |
Dec 09 13:52 |
| schestowitz |
They can’t |
Dec 09 13:52 |
| schestowitz |
They need to rebuild WIndows |
Dec 09 13:52 |
| schestowitz |
With networking in mind, permissions as _part of the O/S_ (not ‘bolted on’) |
Dec 09 13:53 |
| Eruaran |
They’ve had many years to completely rebuild Windows |
Dec 09 13:53 |
| schestowitz |
They made cheap copies of other people’s work and spent more time cheating and marketing, not improving the engineering at the early stages |
Dec 09 13:53 |
| twitter |
they prefer to be root than protect the users |
Dec 09 13:53 |
| schestowitz |
Vista is a case of trying to put an elephant on a diet |
Dec 09 13:53 |
| Eruaran |
It is catching up with them now |
Dec 09 13:53 |
| schestowitz |
Eruaran: They’ve had many years of monopoly too |
Dec 09 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
had they had more compeittion, people would have gone to secure solutions and without improving they would due |
Dec 09 13:54 |
| twitter |
I think they know all of this. |
Dec 09 13:54 |
| Eruaran |
On security we tell it to our customers straight, “Microsoft has left Windows users high and dry” |
Dec 09 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
*die. The issue now is helping people get past the marketing. |
Dec 09 13:54 |
| twitter |
That’s why they are trying to steal GNU/Linux |
Dec 09 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
I posted an example here yesterday, a message from my cousin in Florida.. he’s THANKFUL to Microsoft for anti-virus SW |
Dec 09 13:54 |
| Eruaran |
eh ? |
Dec 09 13:55 |
| twitter |
They stole from BSD and other free software to bolt Winblows together. |
Dec 09 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
And Gary too |
Dec 09 13:55 |
| twitter |
Now they try to own GNU/Linux. |
Dec 09 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
Windows and DOS are copies of other people’s word |
Dec 09 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
*work. Word too. |
Dec 09 13:55 |
| Eruaran |
GK RIP |
Dec 09 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
Intellectual ownership |
Dec 09 13:55 |
| twitter |
theft |
Dec 09 13:56 |
| schestowitz |
“Intellectual property is the next software.” –Nathan Myhrvold |
Dec 09 13:56 |
| Eruaran |
ah |
Dec 09 13:56 |
| Eruaran |
Bills buddy |
Dec 09 13:56 |
| schestowitz |
BTW, that’s the poor SOB who pushed Microsoft vapourwarr |
Dec 09 13:56 |
| twitter |
they did not make most of the software they have, they wrecked other companies and took what was left |
Dec 09 13:56 |
| schestowitz |
On the one hand, he claims to be “”investor extraordinaire” but at the same time he does illegal things and sci-fi marketing. |
Dec 09 13:56 |
| twitter |
then they bolted the work together |
Dec 09 13:56 |
| Eruaran |
Now they have some patent troll company |
Dec 09 13:56 |
| schestowitz |
/s/investor/inventor/ |
Dec 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz |
They have SEVERAL |
Dec 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz |
They spread their so-called ‘IP’ people |
Dec 09 13:57 |
| Eruaran |
Want to hear something truly, spine tinglingly crappy ? |
Dec 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz |
Read: people who push paperr for a living |
Dec 09 13:57 |
| Eruaran |
Something bone chillingly aweful ? |
Dec 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz |
They call it “the next software” |
Dec 09 13:57 |
| twitter |
that novell agreed that M$ owned GNU/Linux? |
Dec 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz |
Why write programs? Just write down ideas. |
Dec 09 13:57 |
| Eruaran |
Sage Line 50 requires… netbui |
Dec 09 13:57 |
| schestowitz |
Then go after people with software and claim that they infringe on your submitted-to-USPTO thoughts. |
Dec 09 13:58 |
| Eruaran |
Just so it can use the network and not run like a bag of excrement |
Dec 09 13:58 |
| schestowitz |
These people sit in the dinner table chewing the rug and then making zozens of patents with the lawyers that sit around listening. |
Dec 09 13:58 |
| twitter |
netbios is a bag of shit |
Dec 09 13:58 |
| schestowitz |
They are a shame and disgrace to technology and to the US |
Dec 09 13:58 |
| Eruaran |
We’re talking pre-TCP/IP |
Dec 09 13:58 |
| schestowitz |
And they ruin the ecnomy too with invisible ‘property’ (like mortgages) |
Dec 09 13:59 |
| Eruaran |
schestowitz: they are scum and history will treat them as such |
Dec 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz |
I remember netbui |
Dec 09 13:59 |
| schestowitz |
It was needed for file sharing in Win898 |
Dec 09 13:59 |
| Eruaran |
yes |
Dec 09 13:59 |
| Eruaran |
Thats how crap Sage Line 50 is |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| Eruaran |
Its criminal |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| twitter |
netbui is awful crap. |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t know much about it |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| Eruaran |
you dont want to |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| schestowitz |
But networking in Windows was amess |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| Eruaran |
I’m sure it was designed in hell |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| PetoKraus |
we’re using sage at work |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| PetoKraus |
don’t get me started |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| schestowitz |
I haven’t used it in years (not even elsewhere) |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| Eruaran |
PetoKraus: I know your pain |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| PetoKraus |
i could code better db using php and mysql |
Dec 09 14:00 |
| twitter |
windows networking still sucks ass |
Dec 09 14:01 |
| twitter |
The other day, I visited a house where someone was trying to hook up windows, mac and apple using M$ networking. |
Dec 09 14:02 |
| Eruaran |
:O |
Dec 09 14:02 |
| Eruaran |
nuuuuuuu |
Dec 09 14:02 |
| PetoKraus |
mac and apple? |
Dec 09 14:02 |
| twitter |
it did not work, of course. some computers could see others but none could see all. |
Dec 09 14:02 |
| twitter |
oh, just mac. |
Dec 09 14:02 |
| PetoKraus |
but the girl is cute: http://www.sage.co.uk/images/m… |
Dec 09 14:02 |
| Eruaran |
the mac without the apple ? |
Dec 09 14:03 |
| Eruaran |
Thats a Pystar isn’t it ? |
Dec 09 14:03 |
| Eruaran |
|
Dec 09 14:03 |
| twitter |
ha ha, my typo |
Dec 09 14:03 |
| PetoKraus |
if she was sage’s field tech support, i might’ve been interested |
Dec 09 14:03 |
| twitter |
the experience disturbs me still. |
Dec 09 14:03 |
| PetoKraus |
oh man, the build quality of this is pretty crap |
Dec 09 14:04 |
| schestowitz |
In the news: Argentina-based OpeniMac Now Selling Mac Clones < http://www.pcworld.com/article/155127/openimac… > |
Dec 09 14:04 |
| Eruaran |
sage has tech support ? |
Dec 09 14:04 |
| PetoKraus |
after 15 months i think it’s falling apart |
Dec 09 14:04 |
| twitter |
crappy networking in the non free world is why non free software users still sneaker net most of their stuff around |
Dec 09 14:04 |
| Eruaran |
PetoKraus: I have to do profit report and balance sheet every week with Sage |
Dec 09 14:04 |
| PetoKraus |
Eruaran: well, my boss is paying £10k for it |
Dec 09 14:04 |
| Eruaran |
PetoKraus: we’re phasing it out |
Dec 09 14:04 |
| PetoKraus |
hehe |
Dec 09 14:04 |
| PetoKraus |
what for? |
Dec 09 14:04 |
| Eruaran |
Its killing me |
Dec 09 14:04 |
| schestowitz |
SAGE is Not SAGE? |
Dec 09 14:05 |
| Eruaran |
Not SAGE |
Dec 09 14:05 |
| schestowitz |
gSNS? |
Dec 09 14:05 |
| PetoKraus |
we could get some M$ IIS product or sage |
Dec 09 14:05 |
| PetoKraus |
it’s like…. mud or water |
Dec 09 14:05 |
| Eruaran |
PetoKraus: one of the other guys sat there one day with TBS CleverPlus and completed everything while I was sitting in front of Sage watching a progress bar |
Dec 09 14:06 |
| PetoKraus |
 |
Dec 09 14:06 |
| schestowitz |
That’s a patent |
Dec 09 14:06 |
| schestowitz |
Progress bar |
Dec 09 14:06 |
| Eruaran |
w00t |
Dec 09 14:06 |
| Eruaran |
youre kidding |
Dec 09 14:06 |
| Eruaran |
ridicule! |
Dec 09 14:07 |
| PetoKraus |
Eruaran: what are you getting instead of sage? |
Dec 09 14:07 |
| PetoKraus |
*deploying |
Dec 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz |
I wrote several programs that implement a progress bar. Scary |
Dec 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz |
It’s not this one.. http://www.patentstorm.us/patent… |
Dec 09 14:07 |
| Eruaran |
PetoKraus: we’re lobbying hard at each montly meeting to switch to TBS software |
Dec 09 14:07 |
| Eruaran |
Even though its proprietary |
Dec 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz |
Here: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg185… |
Dec 09 14:07 |
| Eruaran |
Its so much better than Sage |
Dec 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz |
“Richard Stallman mentions patent EP0394160 issued by the European Patent Office as an example of how a software patent impedes software development (5 February, p 28). The patent covers the display of a “progress bar” that gradually increases in length to show how much of a task has been completed. I agree that granting such patents is undesirable – and this one should never have been issued anyway.” |
Dec 09 14:07 |
| schestowitz |
Go ahead to court to defend yourself… if you can afford it. |
Dec 09 14:08 |
| schestowitz |
The system is totally corrupt |
Dec 09 14:08 |
| PetoKraus |
“the second color is distinct from the first color” |
Dec 09 14:08 |
| PetoKraus |
NO SHIT SHERLOCK! |
Dec 09 14:08 |
| schestowitz |
Richard Stallman: “Staff at the European Patent Office went on strike accusing the organization of corruption: specifically, stretching the standards for patents in order to make more money.” |
Dec 09 14:08 |
| schestowitz |
We could create new jobs |
Dec 09 14:09 |
| schestowitz |
Let’s have examiners look at toilet paper patents |
Dec 09 14:09 |
| schestowitz |
Let’s build more grenades too… |
Dec 09 14:09 |
| Eruaran |
Using Sage is like beating yourself in the head with a meat cleaver… And wondering why you bleed… |
Dec 09 14:09 |
| schestowitz |
Let’s… let’s… I know… let’s make more money by giving out LOANS!! Brilliant! |
Dec 09 14:09 |
| PetoKraus |
Eruaran: so it’s really shit |
Dec 09 14:10 |
| PetoKraus |
you know |
Dec 09 14:10 |
| Eruaran |
yes |
Dec 09 14:10 |
| PetoKraus |
everytime i try to do something, i break the poor thing |
Dec 09 14:10 |
| Eruaran |
|
Dec 09 14:10 |
| Eruaran |
oh |
Dec 09 14:10 |
| Eruaran |
Sage is the very epitomy of broken |
Dec 09 14:10 |
| schestowitz |
It’s not so poor |
Dec 09 14:10 |
| PetoKraus |
it’s like… umm, i forgot to fill in the type of payment |
Dec 09 14:10 |
| schestowitz |
10k |
Dec 09 14:10 |
| PetoKraus |
but um oh…. i already printed the invoice |
Dec 09 14:11 |
| Eruaran |
Sage um… loses stuff |
Dec 09 14:11 |
| PetoKraus |
so i have to cancel the invoice at three different places |
Dec 09 14:11 |
| PetoKraus |
AND create a new one |
Dec 09 14:11 |
| Eruaran |
argh |
Dec 09 14:11 |
| Eruaran |
you could delete the transaction |
Dec 09 14:11 |
| Eruaran |
and start again |
Dec 09 14:11 |
| Eruaran |
|
Dec 09 14:11 |
| Eruaran |
MEAT CLEAVER…. MEET HEAD |
Dec 09 14:11 |
| PetoKraus |
yes, but i need to: delete order, delete invoice, restock allocations, and update records!!!!! |
Dec 09 14:12 |
| Eruaran |
haha |
Dec 09 14:12 |
| PetoKraus |
(the first two are done at the same screen) |
Dec 09 14:12 |
| Eruaran |
yes… update records |
Dec 09 14:12 |
| Eruaran |
or you’ll be sitting there for ages going WTF! |
Dec 09 14:12 |
| PetoKraus |
i need to press F5 to see what I’ve done |
Dec 09 14:12 |
| PetoKraus |
cause it DOES NOT REFRESH AUTOMATICALLY!!!1 |
Dec 09 14:12 |
| *Eruaran falls over laughing |
Dec 09 14:13 |
| PetoKraus |
the best part is…. |
Dec 09 14:13 |
| schestowitz |
Costco poisoned by the Microsoft Movement: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Jeff… |
Dec 09 14:13 |
| Eruaran |
It would be hilarious if it weren’t true… |
Dec 09 14:13 |
| PetoKraus |
i try to fill in order, while waiting for customer to give me his contact details |
Dec 09 14:13 |
| PetoKraus |
you know, i’ve got the stock with me, so, while he scribbles down the address and name, I can fill in the order… |
Dec 09 14:13 |
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Jo Shields said,
December 10, 2008 at 6:16 am
What did I do THIS time? I’m unable to spot any context.
Roy Schestowitz said,
December 10, 2008 at 6:46 am
Where are you mentioned? I can’t see.
Jo Shields said,
December 10, 2008 at 7:57 am
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/10/irc-log-09122008-1/#tDec%2009%2013:33:33
Roy Schestowitz said,
December 10, 2008 at 8:03 am
Shane Shields