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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: January 22nd, 2009

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:41 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz


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schestowitz http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/200… (President ‘has four years to save Earth’) Jan 22 00:22
schestowitz Can you imagine the CHAOS you’ll have if Obama sent Bush and Cheney to stand trial? Jan 22 00:22
schestowitz To people who are racist in the US, that would be like “the black guy’s hubris against the ‘white cowboy’”. Jan 22 00:23
schestowitz Drop the money……… http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009… “It bypasses greedy banks. It recharges local economies. It’s time to think seriously about an alternative currency” Jan 22 00:24
schestowitz http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Five_way… Jan 22 00:25
schestowitz AMD unloads mobile GPU technology to Qualcomm < http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090120-amd-unlo… > Jan 22 00:29
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schestowitz Miguel advertises XAML: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/20… Jan 22 00:58
schestowitz Jan 22 00:31:06 <neighborlee>the news was just TOO much for freenode’s server LOL Jan 22 00:59
schestowitz Yes, massive attack(tm) Jan 22 00:59
neighborlee :) Jan 22 00:59
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schestowitz I had to grab your message from another machine Jan 22 00:59
neighborlee ha Jan 22 01:00
neighborlee ah crap show is on..bbl ;0-0 Jan 22 01:00
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schestowitz inaugural speech on youtube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xE0iPY7XGBo Jan 22 01:02
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schestowitz The newer one: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bKIQ7Y61nIY Jan 22 01:06
schestowitz Corruptible chaps: http://www.brandrepublic.com/News/873561/B… Jan 22 01:10
schestowitz Andy wrote about this too: http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/ar… Jan 22 01:11
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schestowitz Blech. Intalio planning ’8 to 10′ open-source acquisitions < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-1… > Jan 22 01:51
schestowitz http://linuxgeeksunited.blogspot.com/2009/01/mi… (The “Microsofting” of Linux) Jan 22 01:53
schestowitz \Nice photo: http://www.thelinuxblog.com/cd-ripp… Jan 22 01:57
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jose this mentions obama online for inaug http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/1… Jan 22 02:00
*schestowitz looks Jan 22 02:00
schestowitz I wonder if he wrote his speech Jan 22 02:00
schestowitz I bet you they had people scanning the text to interpret how every race class and gender might perceive the words Jan 22 02:01
schestowitz The whole thing is PR…. a face to hide what happened at ‘the back of the store; Jan 22 02:01
jose the speech started to get written possibly many years ago Jan 22 02:02
jose Twitter saw five times the normal tweets-per-second, surging as Obama took his oath, and the once-temperamental site managed to stay up throughout the ceremony. Facebook got more than one million status updates on Tuesday, peaking at 8,500 updates every minute of Obama’s speech. GigaOm estimated that between photos, videos, tweets, live blogging and status updates the inauguration could have been the most user-generated content even Jan 22 02:02
jose t ever. As is, it was the fifth most watched event online ever. Jan 22 02:02
schestowitz I know. Jan 22 02:02
schestowitz Does that ceremony matter (other than for historical reference)? Jan 22 02:03
schestowitz Bear in mind that: Jan 22 02:03
jose extrapolating that everyone was watching TV. Or, they were on Facebook and Twitter instead, Jan 22 02:03
schestowitz 1) every word he utters (“hope” “unity” etc.) he is told by a campaign manager (PR person) to say to grab some more votes Jan 22 02:03
jose streaming: … Jan 22 02:03
jose “There was similarly mixed news for online video streaming. CNN, and others, hyped up the millions of live-streams on their sites, while TechCrunch snarked that technical glitches and bandwidth issues signaled more of a failure on the part of video streaming than a success. “ Jan 22 02:03
schestowitz I look at who ‘he’ appoints Jan 22 02:03
schestowitz He doesn’t even appoint people Jan 22 02:03
jose btw, all of this i have posted has been a quote.. sorry to leave the quotation marks out Jan 22 02:04
schestowitz He has people ‘holding his hand’ when he gives power to advisors, managers, and so on. Jan 22 02:04
schestowitz jose: that’s OK. Did it really cost 170 million? Jan 22 02:04
jose i’m reading what you are saying.. but i’m looking for qoutes Jan 22 02:04
jose have no idea Jan 22 02:04
jose http://www.alleyinsider.com/2009/1/obama-inau… Jan 22 02:05
schestowitz That’s an obscene amount. I saw it somewhere. Jan 22 02:05
jose And the early numbers are in: News web sites saw about 5.4 million visitors per minute, making Obama’s taking of his oath of office the fifth biggest web event since Akamai (AKAM) started its tracking in August 2005. Jan 22 02:05
schestowitz You’d think that having a guy give a speech would only require paying some security staff. Jan 22 02:05
jose anyway, i was looking for streaming stats Jan 22 02:05
jose it seems most people weren’t watching the streaming Jan 22 02:05
schestowitz But hey, what’s 0.2bn when the nation owes 10,000bn to other countries? Jan 22 02:06
schestowitz jose:  they broke Akamai records. Jan 22 02:06
schestowitz Linux worked hard that night :-) Jan 22 02:06
schestowitz http://bushweed.blogspot.com/200… Jan 22 02:06
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n3w_bi3 hi all in room.. Jan 22 03:22
schestowitz Hey Jan 22 03:22
jose i’ll be leaving soon Jan 22 03:22
n3w_bi3 any1 wit novell n microsoft knowledge? Jan 22 03:23
n3w_bi3 nid help on advice… Jan 22 03:23
schestowitz technical? Jan 22 03:23
n3w_bi3 well basically i’m more into reviewin both…generally… Jan 22 03:24
n3w_bi3 not too deep into technical side Jan 22 03:24
schestowitz Ahh okay. Jan 22 03:25
n3w_bi3 mayb i xplain d situation dat im in… Jan 22 03:25
n3w_bi3 we had netware 6.5 running now…in 2010 der r plans 2 moved up to oes2… Jan 22 03:26
n3w_bi3 question here…if i drop novell completely n start to run microsoft a-dir… Jan 22 03:27
n3w_bi3 wats d impact? Jan 22 03:27
n3w_bi3 wat wud i loose frm oes? Jan 22 03:27
n3w_bi3 any1 can advice me? Jan 22 03:27
n3w_bi3 :/ Jan 22 03:28
schestowitz That’s technical Jan 22 03:28
n3w_bi3 owh…ok schestowitz Jan 22 03:28
n3w_bi3 thnks 4 correcting me… Jan 22 03:28
n3w_bi3 wat can u tell me abt dat schestowitz Jan 22 03:28
schestowitz You can streer away from both Jan 22 03:28
schestowitz *steer Jan 22 03:28
n3w_bi3 y is dat? Jan 22 03:28
ushimitsudoki jesus are you a fucking orc learn to fucking type. ignore on. Jan 22 03:29
n3w_bi3 ? Jan 22 03:29
ushimitsudoki christ almighty that is annoying Jan 22 03:29
n3w_bi3 xplain schestowitz Jan 22 03:29
schestowitz What about..? Jan 22 03:30
n3w_bi3 ahh… nothin… Jan 22 03:30
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schestowitz gn Jan 22 03:31
jose later Jan 22 03:34
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PetoKraus that was a cheap shot :) Jan 22 08:26
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MinceR oh hai Jan 22 09:29
MinceR lol orc Jan 22 09:29
MinceR http://kbw.inetdisc.com/getimg.php?s… Jan 22 09:31
MinceR (offtopic) Jan 22 09:31
schestowitz The Sun is too small. Isn’t it 50 times bigger? Jan 22 09:49
MinceR :) Jan 22 09:50
PetoKraus that’s arch’s pacman owning the world Jan 22 09:54
MinceR no, that’s the original pacman :> Jan 22 09:55
schestowitz PetoKraus: they invokes it recursively Jan 22 09:56
schestowitz *voked Jan 22 09:56
PetoKraus awesome Jan 22 10:20
PetoKraus my return camcorder does NOT have dead pixel Jan 22 10:20
PetoKraus :) Jan 22 10:20
PetoKraus i’m happy now Jan 22 10:20
MinceR :) Jan 22 10:20
schestowitz pixel=pixel++; Jan 22 10:21
MinceR pixel++; would be simpler :) Jan 22 10:30
schestowitz Yes. Jan 22 10:30
schestowitz pixel=(width * height) – 1; // we give this lad the faulty Web cam and hope he won’t notice Jan 22 10:31
MinceR :D Jan 22 10:34
schestowitz OMG……. Jan 22 10:49
schestowitz “The computer worm responsible for the biggest attack in years has infected at least 1 out of every 16 PCs worldwide, a security company said Wednesday, and may have managed to compromise as many as nearly 1 in 3.” Jan 22 10:49
schestowitz One in two used to be a zombie… but here you have just one worm doing a third (of Windows): http://www.pcworld.com/article/158085/downa… Jan 22 10:50
schestowitz “I’m pretty confident in this number,” said  Ryan Sherstobitoff , chief corporate evangelist at Panda Security, as he cautioned it was just a snapshot. “Conficker is still infecting high volumes of machines and is a fast-propagating worm.” MinceR, PetoKraus: spread the word. It’s time to get Windows quarantined. Jan 22 10:54
schestowitz Is Jobs faking it? http://www.pcworld.com/article/158091/apple_… Jan 22 11:11
schestowitz Isn’t the term “free market” Orwellian? Jan 22 11:16
MinceR the ones responsible won’t listen Jan 22 11:38
MinceR they keep saying windows is targeted because it dominates the market (even though it doesn’t even have the majority of the server market, iirc) Jan 22 11:39
schestowitz Challenge them Jan 22 11:39
schestowitz See my latest post Jan 22 11:39
MinceR i’ve tried Jan 22 11:39
MinceR they’re like scientologists Jan 22 11:39
schestowitz Who are? Jan 22 11:49
schestowitz Friends of brainwashed peers/journalists? Jan 22 11:50
MinceR a m$-cultist i know and his flunkies Jan 22 11:51
schestowitz Paid or just mentally corrupted? Jan 22 11:52
MinceR unsure Jan 22 11:52
MinceR he does own m$ stock though Jan 22 11:52
MinceR didn’t ask him if he was a Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert or something like that though Jan 22 11:53
MinceR and then there are the people i know who just don’t care Jan 22 11:54
MinceR they run whatever shit their computers happen to have, complain when something gets screwed up but later say it works just fine Jan 22 11:54
schestowitz MinceR: so he lost half+ his money? Jan 22 11:55
MinceR dunno Jan 22 11:55
MinceR he probably keeps the stock around in the hope that the price will go up eventually Jan 22 11:55
schestowitz http://finance.yahoo.com/ Jan 22 11:56
schestowitz MinceR: go up or “go up in flames”? Jan 22 11:56
MinceR the former Jan 22 11:56
schestowitz That’s a killer… Jan 22 12:03
schestowitz Some people think that a country with 10kBN in debt is just going to have some kind of overnight renaissance. Jan 22 12:03
schestowitz *LOL* http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfg… Jan 22 12:06
MinceR they believe any bullshit that comes out of ballmer or gates Jan 22 12:06
schestowitz Bill Gates, 1993: “The Internet? We are not interested in it.” Jan 22 12:07
MinceR “640k should be enough for everybody” or something. Jan 22 12:07
MinceR some of these people are militantly unaware of their environment. Jan 22 12:08
schestowitz http://lists.essential.org/pipermail… Jan 22 12:11
schestowitz MinceR: he denies saying that. Jan 22 12:11
schestowitz http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/… “But I have a problem. I put serious work into writing what I write, and I’d like to think that the parts that are any good might outlive me. I love Twitter, but it’s a venture-funded startup with no business model, and these are tough times. “ Jan 22 12:13
schestowitz “They might make it and they might get rich, but it would be totally unsurprising if, 24 months from now, Twitter were gone, or a zombie site, or its BigCo acquirer was installing pointy-haired bosses to Leverage The Synergies.” Jan 22 12:13
schestowitz “I hope that the Twitter story plays out more gracefully than Netscape’s did, and I think that for their own sakes they ought to be encouraging federated-blogging work. (All I know about is Laconica; is there more?) Because I want the best for the little tweets I send out into the big bad Internet.” Jan 22 12:14
MinceR well, of course he denies it, it’s bad PR and he makes a living from lies Jan 22 12:14
schestowitz Yes, I have a set of lies from him Jan 22 12:15
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/25/… Jan 22 12:15
schestowitz Geez. The connection is slow. Maybe the Windows zombie flood the Net? (which I very much doubt, but still…) Jan 22 12:18
schestowitz *bies Jan 22 12:18
schestowitz Googling up Ubuntu < http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS9… > Jan 22 12:19
schestowitz Rick Lehrbaum uses his baby (LinuxDevices) to pimp his Web site after his departure. Jan 22 12:20
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schestowitz Stimulus Is for Suckers: We Need a Recovery Plan that Will Last for Years < http://www.alternet.org/story/112177/ > Jan 22 12:23
schestowitz MS [Mark Shuttleworth] is being tactless again.. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/2… Jan 22 12:26
schestowitz First he praises OS X… now he praises Windows Jan 22 12:26
schestowitz Hopefully this guy isn’t seen as ‘the man’ speaking for Linux, just as Asay does not speak for “open source” and Linus doesn’t speak for Free operating systems. Jan 22 12:27
MinceR he’s so naive Jan 22 12:28
MinceR “Shuttleworth believes that a decent edition of Windows will mean Microsoft finally has to charge full price and that Redmond will finally stop allowing OEMs to use low-cost copies of Windows XP instead of paying full price for the full version of the official flagship – Windows Vista.” Jan 22 12:29
MinceR i lol’d Jan 22 12:29
schestowitz A lot of PCs need to be kicked outta’ this network Jan 22 12:30
schestowitz It might be the Windows viruses that make it torturous to use it today Jan 22 12:30
MinceR that doesn’t only apply to the network Jan 22 12:31
MinceR rather, the entire industry Jan 22 12:31
schestowitz I know. Jan 22 12:31
schestowitz I think I’ll just piss off to the gym or something and hope it improves later (which I doubt) Jan 22 12:32
schestowitz I can’t take it anymore… I’m going away….. Jan 22 12:32
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Omar871 Hi all Jan 22 12:34
schestowitz Hi, Omar871. Windows Zombies appear to be flooding the network, I’ll be back later Jan 22 12:36
MinceR i hope this worm will deal so much damage it will shake these m$-cultists out of the dream world they’re living in Jan 22 12:38
Omar871 MinceR: Oh yeah the “sleeping worm” you mean? Jan 22 12:40
MinceR i mean Conficker/Downadup Jan 22 12:41
Omar871 MinceR: Yeah this is what I meant. Jan 22 12:42
Omar871 MinceR: I’ve read an article about in the newspaper a couple days ago. And I was lmao about it. :D Jan 22 12:43
Omar871 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/security/0,10… Jan 22 12:45
Omar871 <Troubleshooters are still trying to flush a virus out of hundreds of hospital computers more than three weeks after it first hit.> Well, they deserve it. That should a fair punishment for not using Linux. :) Jan 22 12:46
Omar871 should *be* a fair punishment Jan 22 12:47
Omar871 brb Jan 22 12:47
MinceR they didn’t knowingly choose to use windows Jan 22 12:52
MinceR so m$ should be punished too Jan 22 12:52
MinceR especially for the autorun.inf sechole that’s been around for at least 13 years now Jan 22 12:52
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Omar871 MinceR: Could it be a long time agreement between M$ and the anti-virus companies? Ya know, if Windows was 100% secure those people won’t be making a penny, right? Jan 22 13:30
Omar871 :) Jan 22 13:30
MinceR unlikely Jan 22 13:30
Omar871 It looks like that, though, lol. :) Jan 22 13:30
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trmanco http://vbox.innotek.de/pipermail/vbox-an… Jan 22 14:24
trmanco for more details. Some highlights: Jan 22 14:25
trmanco * full support for Windows 7 as host and guest (first product in Jan 22 14:25
trmanco    the market to support Win7!) Jan 22 14:25
trmanco Jan 22 14:25
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RonPaul2012 anyone know how to install mono on SuSe 10? I need to get some compatibility with my .NET apps Jan 22 14:55
teko is there a chrome package for suse ? Jan 22 14:56
schestowitz I still can’t surf :-( Jan 22 15:00
schestowitz Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh…… Jan 22 15:02
schestowitz It takes like a minute to load Web pages Jan 22 15:02
schestowitz teko: Chrome is not ready for GNU/Linux Jan 22 15:03
schestowitz Sheffield Hospital is possibly on JANET Jan 22 15:06
schestowitz Linux kernel needs more modularity for bare-metal hypervisor viability < http://www.trendcaller.com/2009/01/linux… > Jan 22 15:08
RonPaul2012 i love using mono Jan 22 15:10
RonPaul2012 mono is awesome software Jan 22 15:10
RonPaul2012 microsoft rulz! Jan 22 15:10
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schestowitz brb Jan 22 15:11
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schestowitz http://www.antitrustinstitute.org/Archives/t3.ashx Jan 22 15:38
schestowitz Former Games Journalist Dead in Apparent Murder-Suicide http://www.pcworld.com/article/158110/games… Jan 22 15:41
schestowitz Sophos May Lay off up to 5 Percent of Staff http://www.pcworld.com/article/158106/sophos_may_… Jan 22 15:42
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schestowitz Sony Slashes Outlook, Expects Loss This Year http://www.pcworld.com/article/158102/sony_slashes_out… Jan 22 15:42
schestowitz wb, _doug Jan 22 15:42
_doug hi all, what’s that site where you upload a file for sharing ? Jan 22 15:43
_doug I’m been beat up :( Jan 22 15:43
schestowitz Photobucket? Jan 22 15:44
schestowitz What file type? Jan 22 15:44
schestowitz .EXE? :-o Jan 22 15:44
_doug I just want to maintain the format – text Jan 22 15:45
_doug photobucket Jan 22 15:45
schestowitz No, wait.. Jan 22 15:45
schestowitz pastebin Jan 22 15:46
schestowitz http://pastebin.com/ Jan 22 15:46
_doug ahh so .. Jan 22 15:46
schestowitz Beat up or beaten up? Jan 22 15:46
_doug I emailed some astroturfer and he  - off topic and somewhere else trashes me :> Jan 22 15:47
schestowitz _doug: the network here is f*ed today Jan 22 15:47
schestowitz I reckon something hammers on DNS Jan 22 15:47
schestowitz It takes ages to resolve… like 30 sec lag. i checked from other nodes Jan 22 15:47
_doug It’s a VIRUS~1 Jan 22 15:47
schestowitz I reckon so. Jan 22 15:47
schestowitz I reckon lots of customer got whacked off the network this week. Jan 22 15:48
_doug here as in your geo location ? Jan 22 15:48
schestowitz Maybe JANET Jan 22 15:48
schestowitz You heard of Sheffield, right? Jan 22 15:49
_doug Yep Jan 22 15:49
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/22/downa… Jan 22 15:49
schestowitz Hospitals, emergency services… everything. Jan 22 15:49
schestowitz Ahaha… Jan 22 15:50
schestowitz http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/01/mak… Jan 22 15:50
schestowitz Ignition Partner +  ORLY = Microsoft… Ignition is a MS lobby in my eye.. a ‘bank account’ Jan 22 15:51
schestowitz “Guest blogger Vanessa Fox is co-chair of the new O’Reilly conference Found: Search Acquisition and Architecture. Find more from Vanessa at ninebyblue.com and  janeandrobot.com. Vanessa is also entrepreneur in residence at Ignition Partners, and Features Editor at Search Engine Land.” Jan 22 15:52
schestowitz Noted. ORLY Conference +  Ignition Partners = MS influence in ORLY. Jan 22 15:52
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/22/micro… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/22/irc-log-2… Jan 22 15:53
_doug they’re bigger that US steel .. :) Jan 22 15:54
schestowitz I LOVE this: http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/2009/0… Jan 22 15:57
schestowitz She points out that journalists write about Linux FOR YEARS without having tried it. Jan 22 15:57
schestowitz These people make me angry Jan 22 15:57
twitter Slashdot mentioned M$ layoffs today – softened it up with news about IBM and Intel.  Cool blog about pundits, it’s about time people show them up. Jan 22 15:58
schestowitz Ah Jan 22 16:01
schestowitz Priceless Jan 22 16:01
schestowitz Same tactics in USENET Jan 22 16:01
schestowitz They trash Google et al re: layoffs Jan 22 16:01
schestowitz It’s like the usual “they’re evil too” tactics Jan 22 16:02
schestowitz I’ll push as much as possible — attention-wise — to Carla’s blog Jan 22 16:02
schestowitz I wrote like a dozen times in BN that Blankenhorn runs a “Linux” blog in MSZNET without even having Linux experience Jan 22 16:02
_doug trash Google where, aren’t they the cause of global ‘climate change’ warming ? Jan 22 16:03
schestowitz Same for Murphy, who is an anti Linux troll with a “L’Unix| blog Jan 22 16:03
schestowitz _doug: :-D Jan 22 16:03
schestowitz _doug: http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/… Jan 22 16:03
schestowitz There’s another one Jan 22 16:03
schestowitz Recent example.. let me find it Jan 22 16:03
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/11/envi… Jan 22 16:04
schestowitz Gist: MS press blames others… for sins Microsoft commits Jan 22 16:04
_doug Getting the DOJ to kill the Google-Yahoo deal was money well spent … Jan 22 16:05
_doug ‘leveling the playing field’ Jan 22 16:05
twitter blowback is a bitch, doug Jan 22 16:05
twitter DOJ may cost more for them under Obama than Bush. Jan 22 16:06
_doug no to get Google to pay patent royalties for MS search technology .. Jan 22 16:06
MinceR lol Jan 22 16:06
_doug And Apple to pay royalties once they ‘upgrade’ from playforsure :) Jan 22 16:09
schestowitz _doug: how can we raise awareness of this? Jan 22 16:11
schestowitz The Grallas and Blanekenhorns out there certainly won’t. They are cowards or shills (not Dana). Jan 22 16:12
schestowitz Gah! Digg feels like an Apple/Microsoft zoo these days. I mean, even Linux stories get trolled very quickly, and they needn’t reach the front page to receive such bad treatment. I know for a fact that Microsoft has people doing this (for pay) on Slashdot. I have it confirmed by a verifiable source. Jan 22 16:25
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schestowitz We made many front pagers recently :-) Slashdot, Linux Today, etc. We make many big pages with these dynamites. BN doubled in traffic this month. I’ve done the Wal-mart post just now. Let’s organise Comes and deliver… http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_Taskf… (Microsoft “Taskforce” lobbied Wal-Mart/Microtell to drop GNU/Linux) Jan 22 16:59
schestowitz Top 100 websites targeted by hackers < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22799/53/ > Jan 22 17:04
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seller_liar hey roy Jan 22 17:13
schestowitz Hey Jan 22 17:15
schestowitz I’ve just hard from Foley Jan 22 17:15
schestowitz *heard Jan 22 17:15
schestowitz She’s catching up. Jan 22 17:15
schestowitz seller_liar: I need your assistance… Jan 22 17:15
seller_liar schestowitz: Is it possible to associate boycottnovell links with m$ internal documents in wiki? Jan 22 17:15
schestowitz seller_liar: Comes (at Iowa) was settled within weeks, but we grabbed about 9000 exhibits that I gradually go through. They get organised in the BN Wiki with help from other people and we then publish the smoking guns (about 1 a day).  They were never seen before, so this is still relevant. Jan 22 17:16
schestowitz It’s no wonder that Microsoft settled so quickly and requested that the evidence is removed from the site. We hope to bring to your attention what they did — be it good or bad. A lot of this economic vortex is the result of uncontrollable business behaviour. Jan 22 17:16
schestowitz seller_liar: yes, but not yet Jan 22 17:16
schestowitz The Wiki is still too ‘messy’ (not fomally written), so it needs more work before going publish Jan 22 17:17
schestowitz I still need to pass 190 more smoking guns there. Jan 22 17:17
seller_liar schestowitz: what you need? Jan 22 17:17
schestowitz Mostly text from the PDF Jan 22 17:18
seller_liar schestowitz: put more shill on shills list? Jan 22 17:18
schestowitz If not full text, then just the bits that are evidence of crime/misconduct Jan 22 17:18
schestowitz seller_liar: I will do, over time. Jan 22 17:18
seller_liar schestowitz: What you need? I can help you? Jan 22 17:19
seller_liar seller_liar: Explain me because my english is weak Jan 22 17:23
seller_liar schestowitz: explain me because my english is weak Jan 22 17:23
schestowitz Okay… sorry I got distracted Jan 22 17:23
schestowitz Here’s the thing I do now.. Jan 22 17:23
schestowitz See http://boycottnovell.com/comes-… Jan 22 17:24
schestowitz I am migrating the stuff from there to the Wiki. Jan 22 17:24
schestowitz I’ve done it up to Feb 2007. Jan 22 17:24
schestowitz I also make local copies of the PDFs Jan 22 17:24
schestowitz And I file them under the appropriate category. Jan 22 17:25
seller_liar schestowitz: where you are , 12 february? Jan 22 17:25
schestowitz March 1st Jan 22 17:26
schestowitz So, for example… Jan 22 17:26
schestowitz I go here.. http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-micros… Jan 22 17:26
schestowitz Then paste the subject line and body into the “Sun” section in the Wiki Jan 22 17:27
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/… Jan 22 17:27
schestowitz Just added: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?titl… Jan 22 17:29
seller_liar schestowitz: ok , i got it Jan 22 17:30
schestowitz Another Java dirty trick: http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-mi… Jan 22 17:30
schestowitz So I pass it on to “Sun” page, where we hold evidence to publish (we haven’t published these yet) Jan 22 17:31
schestowitz Microsoft settled over its abuses (crimes) against Java. Jan 22 17:32
schestowitz Sun ‘buried’ the trial Jan 22 17:33
schestowitz We can still make ‘justice’ by showing what Microsoft did. Jan 22 17:33
seller_liar schestowitz: extending java Jan 22 17:33
schestowitz yes Jan 22 17:33
seller_liar schestowitz: Yes ,we can do and this will give more power against ms shills Jan 22 17:33
schestowitz Thanks. Jan 22 17:36
schestowitz “02 March, 2007″ posts? Jan 22 17:36
schestowitz I’m doing March 1st Jan 22 17:36
seller_liar ok Jan 22 17:36
seller_liar this way? Jan 22 17:39
seller_liar http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php… Jan 22 17:40
seller_liar seller_liar: sorry Jan 22 17:40
seller_liar schestowitz: sorry Jan 22 17:41
seller_liar this way? Jan 22 17:41
seller_liar http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php… Jan 22 17:41
schestowitz Yes, exactly! :-) Jan 22 17:41
seller_liar look to  Microsoft Internal OEM Price Guideline .. Jan 22 17:41
schestowitz We have it somewhere. Jan 22 17:41
schestowitz The exhibit numbers are too arbitrary Jan 22 17:42
schestowitz So we need to organise by headings (titles), then organise by topic Jan 22 17:42
schestowitz Some exhibits will be linked to multiple topics Jan 22 17:42
schestowitz I’ve just added: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=Bi_… Jan 22 17:42
seller_liar sorry , I think it ‘s correct now Jan 22 17:45
seller_liar look MS: OEMS are our delivery people .. Jan 22 17:45
schestowitz Yes, developers are “pawns” Jan 22 17:45
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seller_liar schestowitz: Where I put about ISPs? Jan 22 17:47
schestowitz I’ll add a page Jan 22 17:47
seller_liar schestowitz: ok Jan 22 17:47
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?titl… Jan 22 17:48
ushimitsudoki Vista main culprit in Microsoft layoffs: http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/01/22/W… Jan 22 17:49
ushimitsudoki 2nd UPDATE: Microsoft To Cut 5,000 Jobs; F2Q Net Falls >MSFT : http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20… Jan 22 17:51
seller_liar don’t mention putting the browser in the OS .. Jan 22 17:51
schestowitz ushimitsudoki: they are likely to cut more in the future, same as Intel.. Jan 22 17:51
schestowitz seller_liar: what do you mean? Jan 22 17:51
seller_liar http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-mic… Jan 22 17:52
schestowitz seller_liar: I do Netscape now. http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/in… Jan 22 17:52
seller_liar schestowitz: How to upload a pdf to bon wiki Jan 22 17:52
schestowitz 2-3 levels : TOPIC :: EXHIBITS INDEX :: SYNOPSIS :: FULL PDF Jan 22 17:52
schestowitz seller_liar: I’ll upload the files later. Don’t worry about it if it’s from another site Jan 22 17:53
schestowitz I download, upload, then relink to a local copy Jan 22 17:53
seller_liar schestowitz: ok Jan 22 17:54
schestowitz What “ACT” is he referring to here? http://boycottnovell.com/comes-v… Jan 22 17:54
schestowitz The pressure groups (Zuck et al)? Jan 22 17:54
seller_liar schestowitz: I don know ,apache? Jan 22 17:58
seller_liar schestowitz: MS: the Office club .. Jan 22 17:58
schestowitz Let me see.. Jan 22 17:58
seller_liar http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index… Jan 22 17:58
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/comes-v… Jan 22 18:00
schestowitz Is Apache there? Jan 22 18:01
schestowitz Java/Apple/Netscape Jan 22 18:01
schestowitz Put it anywhere. I’ll link to it from multiple places. :-) Jan 22 18:01
seller_liar schestowitz: ok Jan 22 18:03
schestowitz I’ll use a template later.. to make all the pages be clean and brushed up with local copies Jan 22 18:04
twitter nice article, ushi! Jan 22 18:04
schestowitz “DW indicated that he recieved a letter from Microsoft legal complaining about our latest advertising.” http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uplo… Jan 22 18:06
schestowitz Imagine that. Jan 22 18:07
seller_liar schestowitz: wow Jan 22 18:07
schestowitz Microsoft complains about advertising… and Mugabe complaint about shoplifting? Jan 22 18:07
ushimitsudoki twitter: thx Jan 22 18:08
ushimitsudoki nn Jan 22 18:08
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seller_liar billg: an ISV that writes to COR is just fucked .. Jan 22 18:10
seller_liar http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/… Jan 22 18:10
_doug who’s DD ? Jan 22 18:10
_doug DW ?? Jan 22 18:10
schestowitz I don’t know Jan 22 18:10
schestowitz _doug: maybe it’s worth expanding the text in the Wiki.. Jan 22 18:11
schestowitz To show what DD is Jan 22 18:11
_doug DOH :? Jan 22 18:11
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?titl… Jan 22 18:11
_doug I can feel the vibes .. Jan 22 18:11
_doug http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DxvPJFv6… Jan 22 18:11
_doug sorry, mind drifting .. Jan 22 18:11
schestowitz *LOL* “Jim Allchin (jimail)” Jan 22 18:12
schestowitz Jimail.. like Gmail Jan 22 18:13
schestowitz Probably a typo Jan 22 18:13
schestowitz He’s JimAll Jan 22 18:13
_doug DW = Dick Willians ? Jan 22 18:14
seller_liar where i put this? Jan 22 18:18
seller_liar http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-micros… Jan 22 18:18
twitter the Vista Failure Log is nearly complete, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jo… Jan 22 18:22
_doug “Vista has failed and M$ may soon go out of business.” Jan 22 18:24
schestowitz seller_liar: under “Windows” maybe Jan 22 18:25
_doug A bit imature, MS is currrently reinventing itself as an e_Commerce and multi-media distribution corportation .. Jan 22 18:25
schestowitz We can link to it later from more index pages Jan 22 18:25
_doug The tribble-dipping innovation … \) Jan 22 18:25
seller_liar schestowitz: ok Jan 22 18:26
_doug collect from the media companies, the telecoms and the consumers … Jan 22 18:26
twitter “Pays for Sure” eh doug? Jan 22 18:26
_doug are you an agent provocateur ? Jan 22 18:27
twitter no Jan 22 18:27
MinceR FailsForSure Jan 22 18:28
twitter I’m someone who’s been bullied for eight or nine years by M$ turds. Jan 22 18:28
twitter their failure was predictable and is enjoyable. Jan 22 18:29
twitter New low for M$FT  17.19, http://finance.google.com/finance… Jan 22 18:31
schestowitz seller_liar: I finished “01 March, 2007″ Jan 22 18:32
schestowitz twitter: GOOD Jan 22 18:32
seller_liar schestowitz:Mar 02 – done Jan 22 18:32
twitter heavy selling, really heavy. Jan 22 18:33
schestowitz Thanks, seller_liar I’ll do March 5th Jan 22 18:37
schestowitz This is fun Jan 22 18:37
schestowitz Seeing the headlines along the way. These will become posts in due time and be published properly Jan 22 18:37
_doug listen up, get this one … Jan 22 18:38
seller_liar schestowitz: this will be a very good source of information Jan 22 18:38
_doug MS analysises Reals business model, and inadvertanly tells us where they would like to be :) Jan 22 18:39
_doug “There is no reason not to point out to our mutual customers that Real will continue to drive for higher returns from their software, given their market situation. This situation will highlight how real is triple-dipping, making money from the content providers once via the software licensing/hosting costs, and then again from the same providers for ads/placement; and then from consumers, based largely on value delivered by Real’s hapless c Jan 22 18:39
_doug That’s our JOB :|} Jan 22 18:39
_doug content, adverts, customers .. ooo, aaaah, I’m getting all warm and furrie … :0 Jan 22 18:40
_doug It’s like having a front row seat in Das Bunker .. :) Jan 22 18:41
schestowitz Microsoft lied to Alan Sugar: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=W… Jan 22 18:41
schestowitz “plant the bug of fud in their ears..” Jan 22 18:42
schestowitz (“unofficially”) Jan 22 18:42
_doug Everyone else is trying to steal our innovation (TM) Jan 22 18:42
MinceR especially Digital Research :> Jan 22 18:48
_doug time for a break .. http://tinyurl.com/anbuom Jan 22 18:48
_doug gtg Jan 22 18:48
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trmanco http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-… Jan 22 18:55
seller_liar schestowitz: I will do march 07 Jan 22 18:56
schestowitz Thanks. Jan 22 18:56
schestowitz I’m doing March 6th Jan 22 18:56
seller_liar schestowitz: 07 mar done Jan 22 19:03
schestowitz Cool! Jan 22 19:08
PetoKraus the downadup/conficker Jan 22 19:08
PetoKraus is nice Jan 22 19:08
schestowitz Is nice.. [Borat?] Jan 22 19:08
PetoKraus i’m reading about the three vectors it uses Jan 22 19:09
seller_liar schestowitz: I will do 13 mar Jan 22 19:09
PetoKraus i guess i’m gonna bring my laptop to work on saturday, as there’ll be craploads of infections i guess Jan 22 19:09
schestowitz seller_liar: thanks. Jan 22 19:19
schestowitz I still do 6th Jan 22 19:19
schestowitz I upload copies too. Jan 22 19:19
seller_liar schestowitz: ok Jan 22 19:20
seller_liar schestowitz: 13 mar done Jan 22 19:24
seller_liar schestowitz: I ‘m not uploading because I don know how to do Jan 22 19:24
schestowitz That’s OK Jan 22 19:36
schestowitz I’ll do it for you. Jan 22 19:36
seller_liar schestowitz: ok ,thanks Jan 22 19:36
schestowitz I’ve begun making a sort of template Jan 22 19:36
schestowitz Examples: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=… Jan 22 19:36
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?title=D… Jan 22 19:36
seller_liar schestowitz: But I thinks it’s better to maintain all text because sometimes the pdfs is very hard to read Jan 22 19:41
schestowitz Yes, we’ll do that later on Jan 22 19:42
schestowitz Another issue is the cataloging Jan 22 19:42
schestowitz People need to be able to find by searching text or by topic Jan 22 19:42
schestowitz In the past it was just a huge pile of files with names like PX_32352.pdf, which doesn’t say much Jan 22 19:43
seller_liar schestowitz: Yes  , we can change the name from pxxxxx to another name, bnut it’1s not a good ideda now Jan 22 19:46
schestowitz No, bo.. Jan 22 19:46
schestowitz File names need to remain Jan 22 19:46
schestowitz They are like index, primary key Jan 22 19:46
schestowitz Universal numbers to verify that it’s not fake Jan 22 19:47
seller_liar schestowitz: ok Jan 22 19:47
schestowitz Missing link here: http://boycottnovell.com/comes-vs-micros… :-( Jan 22 19:48
schestowitz See, imagine having to find this.. Jan 22 19:48
schestowitz You have 10000 files with many pages SCANNED in each, no  OCR Jan 22 19:48
schestowitz Now go about finding where these quotes came from now.. Jan 22 19:48
seller_liar schestowitz: I don know what to do ,but I think it’s not important now Jan 22 19:51
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schestowitz I’ve just finished March 6 Jan 22 19:56
schestowitz And tidied up a bit Jan 22 19:56
seller_liar schestowitz: someday , probably a lot of people will translate this Jan 22 19:58
schestowitz It has been hidden for 20 years (some of it) Jan 22 20:02
schestowitz This doesn’t ‘expire’ Jan 22 20:02
schestowitz The thing is, Comes was probably the first time that someone took the boxes from the DOJ or whatever and put them in the public domain (Web site) Jan 22 20:03
seller_liar schestowitz: somes pxxxx  dates 1988! Jan 22 20:04
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schestowitz seller_liar: yes Jan 22 20:21
schestowitz These are mostly 1988 stuff –  the oldest of the bunch Jan 22 20:21
schestowitz I’ve tidied this up: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?… Jan 22 20:22
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Omar87 Hey everyone Jan 22 20:26
schestowitz Hey there. Jan 22 20:27
trmanco http://www.heise-online.co.uk/security/Microsoft-s-i… Jan 22 20:29
schestowitz it’s too easy (for crackers) to use Jan 22 20:30
schestowitz We made front page of Linux Today again… Jan 22 20:33
schestowitz seller_liar: the Comes documents we deal with get wide coverage once they are finalised Jan 22 20:33
trmanco cool Jan 22 20:33
schestowitz I’ve finished the ones up to the point we agreed on. Jan 22 20:33
schestowitz seller_liar: how far have you gotten? Jan 22 20:34
schestowitz Reader writes about Digg trolls: “Even without confirmation (though it’s good to have it) there’s absolutely no doubt of it in our view.  In fact, the Microsoft Trolls don’t even try to hide it much anymore.  We’ve also come to the conclusion that some proclaiming to be Linux fans, who are rude about Windows users, are also paid Trolls.  They open up the discussion for the Windows fans to respond and sound more reasonable. “ Jan 22 20:34
schestowitz “I strongly believe that the whole “College girl drops out because of Ubuntu” story was fabricated, including the big to-do about how hateful Linux “zealots” were to her.” Jan 22 20:34
schestowitz “The battles are getting ugly and it’s going to get worse as Microsoft begins to feel the pinch.  Though one wonders how fast all those paid trolls will turn on Microsoft if the money dries up…could be some interesting stories coming out then.)” Jan 22 20:35
schestowitz “For now the only cure is to just get the information out there as much as possible.  But I believe it’s also necessary to help ordinary folks (the ones everybody likes to dismiss as “too stupid to care”), because they are the ones that can tilt the battleground away from the monopoly. “ Jan 22 20:35
schestowitz Maybe I should focus less on the news and do Comes as fast as possible. Jan 22 20:35
schestowitz Asay is also watching this.. he mailed me hours ago Jan 22 20:35
MinceR what did he say? Jan 22 20:36
schestowitz He’ll work on it while on the plane Jan 22 20:36
MinceR “curse you for exposing our preciousssss microsssssoft”? Jan 22 20:36
schestowitz Poor Microsoft… it’s leaving 5000 family without a Dark Trooper who ‘only’ took orders from above Jan 22 20:37
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MinceR they’re running out of money Jan 22 20:44
MinceR bribing governments and courts left and right isn’t cheap Jan 22 20:44
schestowitz I know…. Jan 22 20:48
schestowitz I’ve been saying for years that people are deceived because: Jan 22 20:48
schestowitz 1) margins are not so great (OEM preinstalls!=full price) Jan 22 20:48
schestowitz 2) few countries pay for the software (wealthy countries mostly) Jan 22 20:49
schestowitz 3) accounting irregularities Microsoft got busted for Jan 22 20:49
schestowitz *  Apple Hints at Legal Action Against Palm < http://www.osnews.com/story/20826/Apple_Hi… > Jan 22 20:50
MinceR i hope jobs dies a painful death Jan 22 20:52
MinceR palm innovated more than these fuckers have even dreamed of Jan 22 20:53
twitter All death is painful.  It is not a good thing to wish on people, even when they are evil. Jan 22 20:53
twitter True victory is converting your enemies to friends and evil people into benefactors. Jan 22 20:54
MinceR those who mostly just aimed to and succeeded at causing harm to others in their life deserve to experience it themselves. Jan 22 20:55
MinceR not all evil people can be converted Jan 22 20:56
twitter surely Jan 22 20:56
*r0ver|mtg is now known as r0ver Jan 22 20:56
MinceR they have to want to change, unless we invent more advanced brainwashing technology — but what’s the point of that? Jan 22 20:56
twitter I’m happy when they are no longer able to do harm. Jan 22 20:56
twitter It is better if they are stripped of their ill gotten gains, so that those they destroyed can be compensated. Jan 22 20:57
MinceR it isn’t always possible Jan 22 20:57
twitter Justice is always possible. Jan 22 20:57
schestowitz This means that Pre is good Jan 22 20:58
schestowitz Had it not been good, Apple’s (con) artists would start rattling sabers. Jan 22 20:58
MinceR it also means that apple is bullying palm Jan 22 20:58
schestowitz *not Jan 22 20:58
schestowitz Yes, Apple’s play is something I’ll write about in BN Jan 22 20:58
schestowitz This isn’t the first Jan 22 20:59
schestowitz They attack FOSS Jan 22 20:59
schestowitz Attack *AND* exploit Jan 22 20:59
MinceR afaik handspring (now palm, inc.) came out with the first pda/phone Jan 22 20:59
twitter M$’s failure will convince many people that their greed was not only wrong headed but unsuccessful as well. Jan 22 20:59
MinceR now apple is claiming innovation over something that tries to be a pda/phone Jan 22 20:59
schestowitz Look at the iPhone menu.. Jan 22 20:59
schestowitz They ripped off Palm OS. Jan 22 20:59
schestowitz What does Obama have to do with Satyam?!?!?!?! http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595… Jan 22 21:00
twitter I saw that earlier but don’t know what Satyam is. Jan 22 21:03
schestowitz *LOL* http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/… Jan 22 21:03
schestowitz Watch this: http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerril… Jan 22 21:04
schestowitz “In short, it’s the massive pile of derivatives accumulated over the past decades.  It’s also tightly coupled and extremely complex (worse, not understood).  It isn’t regulated, nor is it liquid enough to price (which is why global banks are still able to “act” like they are solvent).  “ Jan 22 21:05
schestowitz “You can see why global banks are now trading at prices that anticipate insolvency and government bailout ( See this chart from JP Morgan for more).  And why the UK looks like Iceland more each day.” Jan 22 21:05
twitter More wiretap news.  US targeted media and journalists http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Whistleblo… Jan 22 21:05
schestowitz http://futurist.se/gldt/ Jan 22 21:06
schestowitz twitter: Bush should be sent to trial Jan 22 21:07
schestowitz “The National Security Agency had access to all Americans’ communications — faxes, phone calls, and their computer communications,” Tice claimed. “It didn’t matter whether you were in Kansas, in the middle of the country, and you never made foreign communications at all. They monitored all communications.” Jan 22 21:07
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twitter Ah, I confused Satyam with Sectera because we were talking about Palm, http://news.zdnet.com/2100-… Jan 22 21:08
MinceR :) Jan 22 21:09
twitter The purpose of this monitoring was both political and economic.  The Bush administration will go down as one of the most blatantly corrupt ever. Jan 22 21:09
twitter I like this picture http://www.mercurynews.com/portlet/arti… but don’t like that Ballmer may be scape goated.  Every one of these M$ emails I read is filled with bad attitude. Jan 22 21:13
schestowitz Propaganda = economy boom? Jan 22 21:15
schestowitz This assumed that assassinating foreign leaders by giving weapons to rebels is a wise strategy Jan 22 21:15
schestowitz When people find out what happened, then you just get embargoed. Jan 22 21:15
schestowitz The US shoots itself in the foot by trying to turn its citizens into troops (or “pawns” as Microsoft calls it) Jan 22 21:16
schestowitz twitter: maybe they’ll sack him. His vices are leaving in drives already Jan 22 21:17
twitter Propaganda, “We supported people who were fighting for their rights, property and freedom.”  If it is true, it is good. Jan 22 21:17
twitter The problem is that the US gave up it’s principles back in the 90s. Jan 22 21:18
schestowitz 90s? Jan 22 21:18
twitter Trade with China. Jan 22 21:19
schestowitz What about the Reagenites? Jan 22 21:19
MinceR Reagents? :> Jan 22 21:19
schestowitz DC has been occupies by BraveCowboys(rm) for quite some time. Jan 22 21:19
schestowitz MinceR: :-) No… Jan 22 21:19
schestowitz *occupied; …(tm) Jan 22 21:20
twitter Some of the things the CIA did back then was evil, but Reagan never stood up before the American people and said evil was expedient and good. Jan 22 21:20
twitter Reagan’s administration may not have walked the walk but it did talk right. Jan 22 21:20
twitter Obama’s inauguration speech was comforting.  He actually mentioned freedom, respect for everyone and not violating rights because it’s expedient. Jan 22 21:21
twitter Let’s see if he will do it. Jan 22 21:21
MinceR the silverlie fiasco isn’t exactly reassuring. Jan 22 21:22
MinceR he’ll also have to stop ACTA. Jan 22 21:22
twitter prosecute the wiretappers, the list goes on and on. Jan 22 21:22
trmanco http://www.crn.com/software/… Jan 22 21:23
twitter RMS is dismayed by the man’s cabinet choices and actions so far. Jan 22 21:23
twitter Ha ha, M$ closed at $17.11 after sinking as low as  17.07 Jan 22 21:24
twitter Perspective.  M$FT reached a dot bomb high of nearly $60.  It has remained flat under $30 since the crash of 2000, with a peak of $35 in 2007.  Basically, investors from the late 90s have lost nearly 2/3rds of their money to FruadSoft. Jan 22 21:28
schestowitz twitter: do you think Obama wrote the speech? Jan 22 21:30
schestowitz It’s a PR/marketing thing, like much of the campaign. They know what words to use to pick up votes and support. Jan 22 21:30
twitter I don’t think it matters.  He said it.  If he lives up to what he said it will be good. Jan 22 21:31
schestowitz Yes. Jan 22 21:31
trmanco Microsoft defends return to DRM: http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/245859/qa-micro… Jan 22 21:34
twitter M$ will cut contractor spending by 15%, programmers are included in the 5,000 people axed.  http://www.mercurynews.com/newsspecia… Jan 22 21:37
MinceR they had programmers? :> Jan 22 21:37
twitter two or three.  without programmers or contractors, I don’t see how they plan to fix Vista. Jan 22 21:38
twitter Classic tech death spiral. Jan 22 21:38
twitter Article above claims M$ has $20 billion cash on hand.  I don’t think so. Jan 22 21:40
schestowitz Contractors =  temps Jan 22 21:40
twitter Right, people getting real work done. Jan 22 21:40
MinceR well, they get some of their marketers and lawyers to randomly change some of the code they’ve stolen Jan 22 21:41
MinceR business as usual Jan 22 21:41
schestowitz They buy code Jan 22 21:42
schestowitz That’s the markets’ job Jan 22 21:42
twitter Not business as usual.  Perception has changed.  They try to spin it as part of the bigger downturn but it’s not. Jan 22 21:42
schestowitz “Usually Microsoft doesn’t develop products, we buy products. It’s not a bad product, but bits and pieces are missing.” –Arno Edelmann, Microsoft’s European business security product manager Jan 22 21:42
twitter It’s the Vista failure. Jan 22 21:42
MinceR well, they started by buying code someone else has stolen Jan 22 21:44
MinceR at their brightest moment, they’ve hired some guys from DEC to turn their CP/M clone into a VMS clone Jan 22 21:44
MinceR then they’ve found BSD and started stealing code from there. Jan 22 21:44
twitter Yeah, but that pool dried up a long time ago.  Who’s left trying to make non free software that they can steal? Jan 22 21:45
MinceR i guess they’ll just keep stealing BSD code now Jan 22 21:45
MinceR it worked for their loved and hated buddies, crApple Jan 22 21:45
twitter They worked on Vista for six years when they had more money than God, government protection and everything they could want and it was still a piece of shit. Jan 22 21:47
MinceR and they knew it was a piece of shit, too Jan 22 21:48
MinceR that’s why they threw most of it away :> Jan 22 21:48
schestowitz Now they buy coverage Jan 22 21:49
twitter Their money has to be close to gone, considering how much stock they have to keep buying to float their price. Jan 22 21:51
twitter When their money is gone the Wintel press will fall on them like the lying jackals they are. Jan 22 21:51
schestowitz INTEL ANNOUNCED it will shut five manufacturing facilities, affecting the jobs of 5,000 to 6,000 employees. < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new… > Jan 22 21:54
*ushimitsudoki1 (n=ushimits@p2252-ipad02yosemiya.okinawa.ocn.ne.jp) has joined #boycottnovell Jan 22 21:57
schestowitz re: layoffs Jan 22 22:01
schestowitz Microsoft lied to the media Jan 22 22:01
schestowitz Its executives denied layoffs in the media about 2 months ago Jan 22 22:02
schestowitz So keep record of this lie. Jan 22 22:02
schestowitz In future denials, this can be used. Jan 22 22:02
*ushimitsudoki has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) Jan 22 22:04
twitter They are probably still lying by only announcing 5,000 layoffs.  More are surely on the way. Jan 22 22:12
twitter “See, we are not as bad off as people said we were.” Jan 22 22:13
schestowitz http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/2… Jan 22 22:14
schestowitz Have aread Jan 22 22:14
twitter “We tried hard to look after our little pawns, cough, developers, but these times are just tough.” Jan 22 22:15
twitter * looking! Jan 22 22:15
schestowitz The lesser-told story about Microsoft’s layoffs announcement.. Jan 22 22:15
twitter LOL, ” In some respects I see the business characteristics of Coca Cola or  See’s Candy as being very similar to Microsoft. I think you would love  the simplicity of the operating system business. E.g. in FY96 there were  50 million PC’s sold in the world, and about 80% of them were licensed  for a Microsoft operating system. Although I would never write down the  analogy of a “toll bridge”, people outside our company might de Jan 22 22:31
twitter M$ the “toll bridge” on the information superhighway. Jan 22 22:32
MinceR it’s a series of tubes ;) Jan 22 22:33
twitter Pay toll to the trolls.  In the same letter, “Believe me, the longest lines don’t necessarily  translate into the best value!” Jan 22 22:33
schestowitz http://www.minnpost.com/tickerblog/2009/01/22… “Guantanamo ordered closed within a year; detainee-treatment rules changed” Jan 22 23:34
schestowitz http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/0… “This morning at Microsoft, it seems that someone sighed, “Let’s get it over with.”  The company has released a fourth quarter financial report that wasn’t supposed to turn up until after trading hours, and the numbers in it aren’t pretty.” Jan 22 23:36
schestowitz I think the Wal-Mart post might make the front page of Digg… http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_T… Jan 22 23:37
twitter cool Jan 22 23:38
schestowitz Some journalists took notice too and Linspire’s CEO might hear about it. Jan 22 23:38
schestowitz /s/CEO/president./ Jan 22 23:38
twitter let’s hope so. Jan 22 23:39
schestowitz There’s lots more in the Wiki and about 20 PDFs lying on my ~/Desktop Jan 22 23:39
schestowitz Here’s how IBM wants to profit from GNU/Linux.. http://www.toptechnews.com/story.xhtm… (non-Free software) Jan 22 23:42
schestowitz http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/22/it_vendor_layoffs/ “The IT vendor community in the United States was mostly immune from layoffs that happened over the course of 2008, when 2.6m people lost their jobs. But that is obviously changing as the global economy, which IT vendors depend on, continues to weaken. And this week the layoffs, some rumored and others announced, are actually happening.” Jan 22 23:45
schestowitz “The founder of open source email Silicon Valley startup Zimbra, which was bought by Yahoo! in September 2007, is leaving the internet firm.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/01/22/… Jan 22 23:47
schestowitz There was a protest today in the streets. Jan 22 23:48
schestowitz BT shares tumble on £340m Global Services bill < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/01/… > Jan 22 23:51
schestowitz New Research Shows No Link Between Violent Video Games And School Shootings < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090121… > Jan 22 23:55
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