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taconelast apple insanity: http://www.tuaw.com/2009/03/18/appl...Mar 21 00:14
MinceRlolMar 21 00:17
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oiaohm"However, ACMA advises that there are URLs on the published list that have never been the subject of a complaint or ACMA investigation, and have never been included on the ACMA blacklist."  That line that you quoted schestowitzMar 21 00:21
oiaohmThat really shows the status of the ACMA the minister has never seen the black list.Mar 21 00:22
oiaohmSo how can he know what was and was not on it.Mar 21 00:22
oiaohmOther then ACMA also prosecutes people for false respentations.   So even if the list is false they will be out to attack someone.Mar 21 00:23
_Hicham_1flash on linux always sucksMar 21 00:34
oiaohmUsing adobe flash or the open source version _Hicham_1Mar 21 00:35
oiaohmOpen source version yes it suxs.Mar 21 00:35
_Hicham_1even the proprietary sucks on old machinesMar 21 00:36
_Hicham_1it is such a resource hogMar 21 00:37
oiaohmflash on windows is not much better.Mar 21 00:37
_Hicham_1oiaohm : better than linux anywayMar 21 00:37
oiaohmMost people don't see it running a service as SYSTEM user on windows.Mar 21 00:37
_Hicham_1flash?Mar 21 00:38
oiaohmYes flash.Mar 21 00:38
_Hicham_1didnt notice thatMar 21 00:38
oiaohmSome of its memory usage is hidden on windows.Mar 21 00:38
_Hicham_1that is how they optimize it?Mar 21 00:38
_Hicham_1wowMar 21 00:38
oiaohmYep.Mar 21 00:38
oiaohmNote system user can remove every file from the harddrive with the OS is running under windows _Hicham_1Mar 21 00:39
_Hicham_1I knowMar 21 00:39
_Hicham_1the system user is a super user on windowsMar 21 00:39
oiaohmSo I would never call Windows flash better.Mar 21 00:39
oiaohmLinux flash is more truthful and secure.Mar 21 00:40
_Hicham_1so the flash plugin is just a backdoor running inside a browserMar 21 00:40
_Hicham_1how can u tell?Mar 21 00:40
oiaohmSome of the exploits that worked on old flashs under windows don't work under Linux because it does not have a super user.Mar 21 00:40
oiaohmUnder windows flash can be a back door.Mar 21 00:41
oiaohmLast years pwn2own hacker exploited the system user server of flash on windows to take home the windows laptop.Mar 21 00:41
_Hicham_1Windows is just a slappy whoreMar 21 00:41
oiaohmWhen something is running better under windows start asking how.Mar 21 00:42
oiaohmLot of the answers are not good.Mar 21 00:42
_Hicham_1I know that windows has a bad record with securityMar 21 00:43
_Hicham_1i never trust itMar 21 00:43
oiaohmVista made it worse.Mar 21 00:43
oiaohmMore applications are using services to avoid UAC under vista still as system user.Mar 21 00:43
oiaohmUAC increased the numbers of exploit points in windows not decreased them.Mar 21 00:44
oiaohmSo all the users pain was for nothing.Mar 21 00:44
_Hicham_1fucking microsoft with fucking architectureMar 21 00:44
_Hicham_1I dont know why they still develop productsMar 21 00:45
oiaohmWindows NT base design is basically perfect.Mar 21 00:45
_Hicham_1all what they do is help spreading viriiMar 21 00:45
oiaohmJust Microsoft developers don't follow it.Mar 21 00:45
_Hicham_1well, nt have been merged with 3.1 kernelMar 21 00:45
_Hicham_1that what gave XPMar 21 00:45
oiaohmNT design is a design of a Real-time os.Mar 21 00:45
oiaohmThat was the first thing they screwed up.Mar 21 00:46
_Hicham_1why they merge 3.1 with is it then?Mar 21 00:46
oiaohmPut the wrong locking system on top so the Real-time support no longer worked then.Mar 21 00:46
oiaohmThey never merged with 3.1Mar 21 00:46
oiaohmError after error.   NT perfectly good permissions system.Mar 21 00:47
oiaohmServices can start up as lower users if set.Mar 21 00:47
oiaohmGuess what the features are there just not enforced.Mar 21 00:47
oiaohmMost of windows problems are pure lazyness.Mar 21 00:47
_Hicham_1lazyness or because there are lobbies that do not want a secure system?Mar 21 00:49
oiaohmIts why people like me who do secuirity audits almost fell like killing someone at MS.  Its not like the OS is not able to do secuirty reasonablely well.Mar 21 00:49
MinceR"develop" is a strong word for what m$ does with productsMar 21 00:49
_Hicham_1microsoft buys productsMar 21 00:50
_Hicham_1wraps them into a nice GUIMar 21 00:50
oiaohmIf MS was building a bridge design would be good but everything would be tack welded.Mar 21 00:50
_Hicham_1and sells themMar 21 00:50
MinceRnice?Mar 21 00:50
oiaohmSo a some random point the complete thing would fall into the river.Mar 21 00:51
_Hicham_1MinceR : yes, they have a lot of artistsMar 21 00:51
oiaohmHopefully when no one was driving on it.Mar 21 00:51
MinceRif m$ was to build a bridge, first they'd build an existing bridge, then hack it around to appear "nicer" but in the process they'd make it useless as a bridgeMar 21 00:51
oiaohmMinceR NT they did build from scrach.Mar 21 00:51
oiaohmand its basicaly tack weldered so it works.Mar 21 00:52
MinceRcorrection: some people they've borrowed from DEC did build it from scratchMar 21 00:52
oiaohmDeveloper they got from DEC designed NT.Mar 21 00:52
MinceRadding m$-grade stupidity to the dinosaur design of VMSMar 21 00:52
MinceRafaik that guy brought his own team with him.Mar 21 00:52
oiaohmthen other MS developers were assigned to build parts.Mar 21 00:52
oiaohmAnything done by the DEC guy team is done right.Mar 21 00:53
oiaohmAnything done by the MS existing team has been a level 10 nightmares.Mar 21 00:53
oiaohmBasically tack welded NT so it looked right so they could sell it with the idea of fixing problems latter.Mar 21 00:53
MinceRgnMar 21 00:54
oiaohmProblem is next lot saw the tack welds and tacked more on and more on ... Until you have major nightmare.Mar 21 00:54
oiaohmLinux kernel also has had the developer equals of tack welds in places.Mar 21 00:54
oiaohmBig Kernel Lock in Linux kernel was basically a tack weld that was 98 percent slag and working by some form of luck.Mar 21 00:55
oiaohmRemember code development and engineering have a lot in common.Mar 21 00:56
oiaohmBiggest problem MS has these days is some of the applicatiosn that use windows depends on there tack welds.Mar 21 01:01
BalrogI heard reports that NT at least worked somewhat.Mar 21 01:05
Balrog(Version 4 this is)Mar 21 01:05
oiaohmRight from the first release version of NT there were tack welded sections that still exist in Windows 7.Mar 21 01:06
oiaohmResources have going into making windows looking pritty instead of removing core faults.Mar 21 01:07
_Hicham_1that is the main goal of microsoftMar 21 01:09
_Hicham_1always create new theme enginesMar 21 01:09
Balrogstuff that might have been needed back then, but no longer needed nowMar 21 01:11
Balroglike Mac OS Classic ... portions of OS 9.2.2 code were directly descended from 0.97Mar 21 01:12
Balrogactually, *much* of the codeMar 21 01:12
oiaohmFunny enough requirements for a graphical workstation have not really changed since 1887.Mar 21 01:12
oiaohmIe pre NT existance.Mar 21 01:12
Balrogbut memory management, disk management, stuff like that has changedMar 21 01:12
oiaohmTech chanaged yes.Mar 21 01:13
oiaohmBase requirements what they should do has not.Mar 21 01:13
Balrogthen they try to shoehorn support in, which in the case of Mac OS 9 and below, failed miserablyMar 21 01:13
Balrogit wasn't designed for that at all.Mar 21 01:13
oiaohmMac OS 9 and before had design glitches.Mar 21 01:13
oiaohmIt was not designed as a multi user workstation.Mar 21 01:14
oiaohmNT was designed to be a server and workstation OS.Mar 21 01:14
Balrognot only that ... large portions were in 68K assembly, even after it became PPC, and changing it would break programs badlyMar 21 01:14
oiaohmYou forget NT used to run on PPC.Mar 21 01:15
Balrogyou're right about that; I'm not speaking about that part here....Mar 21 01:15
Balrogoiaohm: sure did. But NT didn't rely on emulated 68K codeMar 21 01:15
oiaohmNT was designed CPU netural.Mar 21 01:15
Balrogbut that fell through very quicklyMar 21 01:15
oiaohmThis is my point NT design is great.Mar 21 01:16
oiaohmCurrent day implmentation eep stuffed.Mar 21 01:16
BalrogNT design was ok, early on. It fell apart fast.Mar 21 01:16
Balrogbut NT was not really MS-designedMar 21 01:16
oiaohmDue to tack welding.Mar 21 01:16
Balrogit came from VMS and OS/2Mar 21 01:16
oiaohmOk we cannot work out how to use locking that is real-time compadible.Mar 21 01:16
oiaohmSo we just use spinlocks that are not real-time compadible so breaking the RTOS feature of ntMar 21 01:17
oiaohmAnd the list goes on.Mar 21 01:17
Balrogyeah....Mar 21 01:17
oiaohmShort cut after Short cut.Mar 21 01:17
Balroglaz programmingMar 21 01:17
Balroglazy *Mar 21 01:18
oiaohmLinux kernel is at long last starting to remove its tack welds.Mar 21 01:18
Balrogworst problem you can haveMar 21 01:18
oiaohmLinux has been good there tack welds have not been exposed to user mode programs.Mar 21 01:18
Balrogwell, the module ABI is very unstableMar 21 01:19
Balrogdifferent for each build of the kernelMar 21 01:19
oiaohmMS other problem.Mar 21 01:19
oiaohmThere driver ABI has tack welds in it and they have set them in stone.Mar 21 01:19
Balrognot a good thingMar 21 01:19
oiaohmYes the downside of binary drivers.Mar 21 01:20
oiaohmIf you internals are crap you get stuck with crap internals.Mar 21 01:20
Balrogyeah...Mar 21 01:20
oiaohmLinux kernel has very valid reason not to make its ABI constant.Mar 21 01:20
oiaohmFor drivers.Mar 21 01:20
Balrogthat causes problems for people who want to use certain apps; but the companies who write those apps are to blameMar 21 01:21
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oiaohmWindows internal design might be passed repair without upsetting lots of users.Mar 21 01:22
Balrogwe all say what happened when they changed the ABI in vista....Mar 21 01:23
oiaohmThat was correcting the video stack.Mar 21 01:24
Balrogsee *Mar 21 01:24
Balrogyeah, among other thingsMar 21 01:24
Balrogthey made a few other changes with drivers as well, I heardMar 21 01:24
oiaohmThere are a few points in the driver stack that will take out 99 percent of all drivers for windows forcing them to be redisgined left.Mar 21 01:24
oiaohmBasically 0 percent driver backwards compadiblity.Mar 21 01:25
Balrognot good.Mar 21 01:25
oiaohmDoes this explain why MS has been talking about doing away with NT based and going to a new .net based OS.Mar 21 01:26
oiaohmPain is about going to be equal.Mar 21 01:26
Balrogdo you think that will ever happen? I smell vaporware hereMar 21 01:27
Balrogalso doing that sounds a lot like Mac OS 9 --> OS XMar 21 01:27
Balrogexcept that Apple has control of hardware .......Mar 21 01:27
BalrogMS doesn't.Mar 21 01:27
oiaohmIn embeded devices MS already sells a .net based OS.Mar 21 01:28
Balrogwhat's it called?Mar 21 01:28
oiaohmhttp://www.windowsfordevices.com/a...  << That.Mar 21 01:29
Balrogit's easy to write an os for that kind of stuff (in relative terms)Mar 21 01:31
Balroglimited feature set, limited hardware....Mar 21 01:31
_Hicham_1oiaohm : where do u work at?Mar 21 01:45
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MethodOnedid you know that ncaa basketball games can be viewed only on windows and mac os x because of silverlight?Mar 21 01:46
_Hicham_1MethodOne : use Moonlight thenMar 21 01:47
MethodOnei get the unsupported platform message when i try to view the gamesMar 21 01:58
MethodOnei feel that i have no use for moonlight because a lot of the sites i know of that use silverlight are bribed by microsoft to use itMar 21 02:00
_Hicham_1MethodOne : write to the webmasterMar 21 02:00
zer0c00lMethodOne: May be change your browsers user agent stringMar 21 02:10
zer0c00lhttp://chrispederick.com/wo...Mar 21 02:11
zer0c00l"unsupported platform" right? change it to "supported platform"Mar 21 02:12
zer0c00lsilverlight divides the webMar 21 02:15
MethodOnei wish the site used flash insteadMar 21 02:15
zer0c00lyeahMar 21 02:15
zer0c00lswitching useragent works for you?Mar 21 02:16
MethodOnenopeMar 21 02:17
_Hicham_1MethodeOne : what browser are u using?Mar 21 02:17
MethodOnefirefoxMar 21 02:17
_Hicham_1Konqueror has some sneaky plugin to identify itself as another browserMar 21 02:19
zer0c00lhttp://chrispederick.com/work/user... this is for firefoxMar 21 02:19
_Hicham_1that is itMar 21 02:20
MethodOnei used that oneMar 21 02:20
_Hicham_1but Linux still exists in ur user agent?Mar 21 02:20
_Hicham_1no?Mar 21 02:21
MethodOnei tried using a media player plugin that supports windows media, but it looks like the site want's microsoft's pluginMar 21 02:21
MethodOnewants*Mar 21 02:21
_Hicham_1u have to change Linux to Windows in the user agentMar 21 02:21
MethodOnei did thatMar 21 02:21
MethodOnethe site wants the real windows media pluginMar 21 02:21
oiaohm_Hicham_1: Lots of different places is the simplest descriptions for where I work.Mar 21 02:22
_Hicham_1MethodOne : try this one : http://www.geticeweasel...Mar 21 02:22
_Hicham_1oiaohm : are u from australia?Mar 21 02:23
oiaohmYes I am from AustraliaMar 21 02:23
MethodOneaccording to about:config, the user agent is the same as the one on the site you gave meMar 21 02:24
oiaohmData recovery, Security Auditing,  System Design, machine repairs and System Admin(for quite a few networks).  Kinda makes me a jack of all trades. _Hicham_1Mar 21 02:25
MethodOnethe site must use some different way of detecting the browserMar 21 02:25
_Hicham_1MethodOne: no Linux word in the String?Mar 21 02:25
_Hicham_1give me the websiteMar 21 02:25
_Hicham_1I am gonna try itMar 21 02:25
MethodOnehttp://mmod.ncaa.comMar 21 02:25
oiaohmArea where I am does not have a large company with enough money to employee me with my skills full time.  So I am kinda shared.Mar 21 02:26
oiaohmKinda makes me different _Hicham_1Mar 21 02:27
_Hicham_1oiaohm : I greatly appreciate discussing things with uMar 21 02:28
oiaohmPart of the problem is I hate built up cities.Mar 21 02:29
oiaohmWhere I live I never have a single traffic jam.Mar 21 02:29
_Hicham_1oiaohm : do u live far from Sydney?Mar 21 02:30
oiaohmOver 9 hours away from SydneyMar 21 02:30
oiaohmBy road.Mar 21 02:31
MethodOneright now i'm trying out the beta of xandros presto, which has the realplayer plugin.  let me boot into my arch installation and see if i get the same message with videos in the gecko-mediaplayer plugin.Mar 21 02:31
oiaohmI can get there fairly quick by private aircraft if required for work.Mar 21 02:31
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oiaohmYes I have one of those kind of jobs _Hicham_1Mar 21 02:32
oiaohmIt gets kinda annoying at times less than 3 hours notice before having to be on a aircraft to be dropped off somewhere to fix something.Mar 21 02:34
oiaohmI guess you job is a fairly normal one _Hicham_1Mar 21 02:35
_Hicham_1oiaohm : yesMar 21 02:35
oiaohmWorst jobs is doing on site data recovery assessment in a burn out building.Mar 21 02:36
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_Hicham_1completely burn out?Mar 21 02:37
MethodOnebackMar 21 02:37
oiaohmYes job is locating and packing the machines for shipping for data recovery.  And hopefully not running accross a missed corpse.Mar 21 02:38
_Hicham_1what a bad jobMar 21 02:38
_Hicham_1is it well paid at least?Mar 21 02:38
oiaohmYou have to wear resporators all the time.Mar 21 02:38
oiaohmAnd lots of other protective gear.Mar 21 02:39
oiaohmpacking is the worst bit you have to clean the machines as much as able before they are packed.Mar 21 02:40
_Hicham_1is it ur job to do that?Mar 21 02:40
oiaohmSometimes.Mar 21 02:40
oiaohmIts over flow.  I fill lots of gaps.Mar 21 02:40
oiaohmThis is where I am different I don't know what I will be doing for the next 24 hours.  It could be anything.Mar 21 02:41
oiaohmOr nothing.Mar 21 02:41
_Hicham_1did u work with gcc team?Mar 21 02:42
oiaohmI have submited ideas and design alterations to the gcc team.Mar 21 02:42
oiaohmMost of them have been intergrated in time.Mar 21 02:42
oiaohmNot been a developer in the gcc team.Mar 21 02:43
oiaohmWith most closed source coding projects I interface with I am either the secuirty auditor of the program or internal struct designer not a coder.Mar 21 02:44
oiaohmMakes me way different to most there as well.Mar 21 02:45
_Hicham_1so u mostly do design?Mar 21 02:45
_Hicham_1no coding?Mar 21 02:45
oiaohmDesign and auditing.Mar 21 02:46
oiaohmI read code quite well.   Just not that effective at writing it from scratch.Mar 21 02:46
oiaohmVery effective at finding coder screw ups.Mar 21 02:47
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_Hicham_1do u use some standard methods?Mar 21 02:48
oiaohmMixture of automatic tools and extracting base designs and checking.Mar 21 02:49
oiaohmSuprising how may things are simple base design errrors like not checking what user is doing the action.Mar 21 02:49
oiaohmWhen dealing with computers I am a perfectionist.   Home life kinda the other way.Mar 21 02:51
oiaohmperfectionists don't make good coders.Mar 21 02:52
oiaohmMy nature leads to over engnerining the solution.Mar 21 02:52
oiaohmAlso leads to me hating something about all OS's out there.Mar 21 02:53
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ZiggyFishI like this story: because although the sounding text says otherwise, linux is used by most hackers and is very secure http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog/200...Mar 21 06:37
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schestowitzHeyMar 21 06:42
oiaohmHi schestowitzMar 21 06:44
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*schestowitz restores old pages templatesMar 21 09:15
schestowitzI ought to get some new plugins for the siteMar 21 09:15
schestowitzJust installed http://wordpress.org/extend/plu... , but at risk if flushing cache from other plugin to switch over to this oneMar 21 09:19
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schestowitzSocial networking goes the wrong way (Digg has similar problems): Nokia closes Porn'n'Warez swap site < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/... >Mar 21 09:43
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... "Xerox announced Friday morning that it was lowering its expectations for first-quarter 2009 earnings by 69 to 85 per cent. "Mar 21 09:44
schestowitzDell confirms more jobs cuts in EMEA < http://www.channelregister.co.uk... >Mar 21 09:44
schestowitz"Sony-Ericsson warned today that it expects to sell just 14 million mobile handsets in the first quarter of 2009. That compares to 24.2m in the fourth quarter of 2008, which was in turn down 21 per cent on the same period a year ago." < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... >Mar 21 09:44
trmancoI just love free softwareMar 21 09:51
trmancosee how Brasero is evolvingMar 21 09:51
trmancoit started very basic and primitive, and right now it's getting very powerful, lots of new shiny featuresMar 21 09:52
schestowitzYes, I heard it's getting good (even Beranger)Mar 21 10:13
schestowitzHoly Hand Grenade of Antioch Bomb Scare < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2... > "I used to catalog examples of the war on the unexpected..."Mar 21 10:32
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MinceRj0Mar 21 13:13
schestowitz0j (SImpson)Mar 21 13:14
Omar871HiMar 21 13:16
schestowitzEx-Googler Describes Company's Obsession With Data < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200... >. Goo goo da da, da TA!Mar 21 13:17
MinceR0range juice?Mar 21 13:18
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schestowitzMinceR: O.J. Simpson Living the Good Life in Prison? < http://www.foxnews.com/story/0... >Mar 21 13:25
oiaohmThere are worse places than PrisonMar 21 13:26
Omar871Hi there.Mar 21 13:26
MinceRi didn't know he was in prisonMar 21 13:26
oiaohmhttp://www.inquisitr.com/20245/google-s...  At long last someone is starting to work out the chain reaction of the ACMA power.Mar 21 13:30
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oiaohmACMA has had the power since 2007 to shutdown Australia's Internet.Mar 21 13:35
schestowitzI can imagine. The only thing preventing it is people's actionMar 21 13:39
oiaohmIts been fairly ok because no one has tried waring with the ACMA.Mar 21 13:40
oiaohmTake down notices have been obeyed.Mar 21 13:40
oiaohmNow if some stupid idiots get the idea they can force ACMA to do there bidding.  Its will just wake up a hugely power enity with the power to block anything.Mar 21 13:41
oiaohmAlso wikileaks people better not have any intrest in visiting Australia any time soon.   Simple fact there country might say they have freedom of press to print what they like.  ACMA has the right here to validate sources.Mar 21 13:43
oiaohmEntering here would basically be jail/very large fines for wikileaks.Mar 21 13:44
oiaohmACMA power to check out sources goes back the the past here were some new reporters made up facts.Mar 21 13:45
oiaohmWikileaks could open up a interesting case in cross border internet laws.Mar 21 13:47
schestowitzoiaohm: people take it with grain of slatMar 21 13:48
schestowitz*saltMar 21 13:48
schestowitzWatch analogous scenario for WikipediaMar 21 13:48
oiaohmACMA is known for finding out how far they can push the law.Mar 21 13:49
oiaohmWikipedia is not foolish.   They don't want to get pulled into a mess.Mar 21 13:51
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oiaohmACMA is a case of cost saving gone wrong.Mar 21 13:55
oiaohmIf you go back threw its history it started live as 8 different departments.   Over the years it merged into the monster with all the power over communications.Mar 21 13:56
schestowitzoiaohm: tomorrow I'll post  film in BNMar 21 13:56
schestowitz1984 is on YouTubeMar 21 13:56
schestowitzIt's quite timely.Mar 21 13:56
oiaohmI guess showing the history repeat.Mar 21 13:57
schestowitzYes, something more visionary though, not a repetitionMar 21 14:04
schestowitzIt's depressing film.Mar 21 14:04
schestowitzActually, hold on, I'll post it now so that you can see.Mar 21 14:04
schestowitzThere, oiaohm, especially for you: http://boycottnovell.com/2009...Mar 21 14:06
oiaohmYep 1984 is about history and future.Mar 21 14:18
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi  People have not learnt the lessions of this.Mar 21 14:21
oiaohmPower of a unified protest done right is unstoppable if you have the local population on your side.Mar 21 14:22
oiaohmProblem is control of information.  People don't learn in schools how to resist correclty.Mar 21 14:24
schestowitzImposed ignoranceMar 21 14:27
schestowitzAdmiration of authority, even blindlyMar 21 14:27
schestowitzbblMar 21 14:40
zer0c00lhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/21... saturday movie ;) when did he started adding thingMar 21 14:59
zer0c00lgr8Mar 21 14:59
zer0c00l:-)Mar 21 14:59
oiaohmIt does releate to current day events a bit in AustraliaMar 21 15:00
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trmancoomg -> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?s...Mar 21 15:40
PetoKrausand?Mar 21 15:47
PetoKrausyou mean, omg M$ is using linux?Mar 21 15:47
trmancoyesMar 21 15:47
trmancoagainMar 21 15:48
trmancobut it runs .netMar 21 15:48
trmancomod_mono?Mar 21 15:48
MinceRapparently they're using akamai's cacheMar 21 15:50
MinceRprobably nobody is stupid enough to build a CDN on microsoft crapMar 21 15:51
trmancothe real servers might be behind a proxyMar 21 15:51
trmancoCDN?Mar 21 15:51
trmancohttp://identi.ca/notice/2923462Mar 21 15:53
MinceRcontent distribution networkMar 21 16:02
trmancoah, I can look into it nowMar 21 16:03
trmancothanksMar 21 16:04
MinceRnpMar 21 16:08
zer0c00lakamai's cache?Mar 21 16:23
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zer0c00lhi torosMar 21 16:37
schestowitzSite load is still quite high (140 sql ops/second), but I can reduce the load further, if needed. trmanco I installed the 'super-cache plugin' too, but swapping to it would mean temporarily dropping the existing cache and thus increasing the loan.  I 'untrimmed' the pages, but we can always go back to lighter pages too.Mar 21 17:17
schestowitzbrbMar 21 17:17
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schestowitzShould we redesign BN? Shane says: "maybe we could look at a newer template too, some folks had complained about the old layout having very crappy css and we've hacked it pretty hard. Anything pretty, while being all css and lean, that you've seen for wordpress?""Mar 21 17:39
taconemaybe at least adjust it here and there.Mar 21 17:39
schestowitzI quite like the existing theme and the contest was sometimes made to fit it. I fear changing it. :-S But if there are suggestions, then...Mar 21 17:39
schestowitztacone: in what way?Mar 21 17:39
taconelet me open such webpage O:-)Mar 21 17:39
taconefirst, excerpts in the home pageMar 21 17:40
schestowitzJust excerpts?Mar 21 17:40
taconeyour posts are long, you can't easily navigate posts in the homepageMar 21 17:40
taconejust ?Mar 21 17:40
schestowitzI see.Mar 21 17:40
taconegive a look to mine http://www.stefanoforenza.com/Mar 21 17:41
schestowitzI could make the front page only except like the ones at the bottomMar 21 17:41
taconei had to do the same thing.Mar 21 17:41
*schestowitz looksMar 21 17:41
taconealso, go to the bottom and waitMar 21 17:41
schestowitzMany people read via RSSMar 21 17:41
taconesure.Mar 21 17:41
taconethat's just one simple tweak that may be useful.Mar 21 17:41
taconebtw your rss are partialMar 21 17:42
taconeso people will stumble on the site anyway.Mar 21 17:42
taconewhat do people complain about ?Mar 21 17:42
taconewhy you had the idea of changing theme, i mean ?Mar 21 17:44
schestowitzNot meMar 21 17:44
schestowitzSome people suggested itMar 21 17:44
taconewhat reason they gave ?Mar 21 17:44
schestowitzI try to change to full feedsMar 21 17:44
schestowitzIn WordPress optionsMar 21 17:44
taconejust a matter of prettyness ?Mar 21 17:44
schestowitzBut it seems to have no effectMar 21 17:44
schestowitzChange in theme can lead to content not fitting the page properlyMar 21 17:45
schestowitzNeeds certain bg colours, width, etc.Mar 21 17:45
taconeah... !Mar 21 17:45
taconeyou wrote colored headlines or stuff like that ?Mar 21 17:46
schestowitzNot really.Mar 21 17:47
schestowitzBut the content has the theme in mindMar 21 17:47
taconeany concrete example ? (url)Mar 21 17:47
NeonFL0SShttp://img14.imageshack.us/img1...Mar 21 17:48
*NeonFL0SS is now known as NeonfloMar 21 17:48
taconeNeonflo: i always thought it was by purpouseMar 21 17:48
Neonflome tooMar 21 17:48
Neonflojust want to check thoughMar 21 17:49
NeonfloI mean, its sort of distracting with the side linksMar 21 17:49
taconei'm a fan of the hybrid theme. it allows subtheming and has pretty nifty stuff (multiple sidebars etc)Mar 21 17:49
Neonfloim pretty sure its on purpuseMar 21 17:51
Neonflosorry for bothering :PMar 21 17:51
taconeno need to feel sorry. it's a good point.Mar 21 17:51
schestowitztacone: yes, it's part of the designMar 21 17:51
schestowitzAnother person complained about it tooMar 21 17:52
Neonfloim not complaining, its just a bit distracting with the linksMar 21 17:52
taconeit's a nice idea, but not everything fits all people. not a big problem imho.Mar 21 17:52
Neonfloit looks nice in other spots thoughMar 21 17:53
taconei would just let the new theme strip it.Mar 21 17:53
taconeas for me i am a big fan of white backgrounds :)Mar 21 17:54
taconeone thing to be said, BN is not your ordinary blogMar 21 17:54
schestowitzHow's this? http://wp-themes.com/pixeled/?TB_...Mar 21 17:54
taconethere's LOTS of contentMar 21 17:54
taconepretty nice. but black is bad.Mar 21 17:55
NeonfloagreedMar 21 17:55
schestowitzSome love blackMar 21 17:55
Neonflolol I looked at that one for my blogMar 21 17:55
schestowitzSpecifically asking for itMar 21 17:55
taconesure schestowitz, but not on read-a-lot sitesMar 21 17:55
Neonflo^Mar 21 17:55
taconethose are a minorance. if your choosen theme is simple in design, a custom css switcher may do.Mar 21 17:56
taconei wouldn't waste my time to make a black version, though.Mar 21 17:56
schestowitzHow's that? http://wp-themes.com/german-newspaper/...Mar 21 17:58
taconeugly. but with a nice use of spaceMar 21 17:59
taconea good starting point, i'd say.Mar 21 17:59
schestowitzYeah.Mar 21 18:00
Neonfloas for the first theme, if you invert the colours and change the hues its not badMar 21 18:00
schestowitzI don't want to spend much time on itMar 21 18:00
schestowitzSo much is lost by making such a changeMar 21 18:00
taconehttp://themehybrid.com/demo/...Mar 21 18:00
taconewhat you think ?Mar 21 18:00
schestowitzIt's too Vista-ishMar 21 18:00
schestowitz=badMar 21 18:00
taconeseems already doneMar 21 18:00
taconeof course you can dress it a little bit. change colors or stuff like that.Mar 21 18:00
taconeit's the disposition of information you have to judge.Mar 21 18:01
schestowitzLike Brushed connotates with Apple.. or AquaMar 21 18:01
Neonfloinst vista-ish good>?Mar 21 18:01
taconei find it quite good.Mar 21 18:01
NeonflololMar 21 18:02
schestowitzI gove upMar 21 18:02
taconelolMar 21 18:02
schestowitz*Give. Can't find much of usMar 21 18:02
schestowitzuseMar 21 18:02
schestowitzAnd it would be a lot of work to merge styles. I did a lot of CSS stuff and there too many pages to test onMar 21 18:02
Neonflohttp://wp-themes.com/inove/?TB_ifram... with dif background and headerMar 21 18:03
taconenice, also. i still prefer hybrid-newsMar 21 18:04
taconei may do a little experiment with it, maybeMar 21 18:05
schestowitzIt's a matter of tasteMar 21 18:05
schestowitzI've always loves OcadiaMar 21 18:05
schestowitzEven before I used itMar 21 18:05
schestowitzI settle down on things I likeMar 21 18:05
Neonflo:)Mar 21 18:05
schestowitzBut some people like vanilla, some like chocolateMar 21 18:05
schestowitzSo no-one is ever happyMar 21 18:05
taconeyou should reason in terms of problems and solutions.Mar 21 18:06
schestowitzAnd it's no restaurant, so you can't really offer choiseMar 21 18:06
taconeis there any real problem with the current theme ?Mar 21 18:06
schestowitzI could make a theme swtcherMar 21 18:06
schestowitztacone: no, it works wellMar 21 18:06
taconethen no problem.Mar 21 18:06
schestowitzThe current theme contains lots... well 'contains'Mar 21 18:06
schestowitzIt has loads in the archivesMar 21 18:06
schestowitzAnd they were sometimes made to suit the themeMar 21 18:06
schestowitzColours, line lengths, styles, font sizes, etc.Mar 21 18:07
schestowitzSo any change would lead to what I sometimes see in NYT or CNET that changed themes over the yearsMar 21 18:07
schestowitzSome old articles may contain odd characters, lost content, bad fits, etcMar 21 18:07
taconetoo much backwards compatibility is bad(tm)Mar 21 18:07
schestowitztacone: yesMar 21 18:07
taconei may try to aggregate some of your content into one test site and see how it looks on another theme.Mar 21 18:08
zer0c00lschestowitz: in GN you maintain M$ mail archives right?Mar 21 18:09
zer0c00lcan you give me the linkMar 21 18:09
zer0c00lboycottnovell.com/wiki/ ?Mar 21 18:09
schestowitzyesMar 21 18:09
schestowitztacone: thanks!Mar 21 18:10
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taconenpMar 21 18:10
Neonfloa group of people and I are planning on making a internet/filesharing/pirate/tech blog thats community run (ideally a community would contribute to publishing blogs). any ideas for names?Mar 21 18:13
taconewhoscriminalMar 21 18:14
Neonflo?Mar 21 18:14
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taconewhat's that community about ?Mar 21 18:15
Neonflothere is not community yetMar 21 18:15
Neonflodunno im just doing some dreamingMar 21 18:15
schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-pol... (Harvard prof apologizes to judge, RIAA lawyers)Mar 21 18:17
schestowitzA bit old, but some site dig it up at the moment: Security fears spark Linux drive in Iran < http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/2... >Mar 21 18:20
schestowitzO'Bushma? Obama DOJ Supports Warrantless Wireless Location Searches < http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wire... >Mar 21 18:22
schestowitzamarsh04: Aussie stumbles on 19,000 exposed credit card numbers < http://www.itnews.com.au/News/99250,auss... >Mar 21 18:23
schestowitzLinus refuses to say "free software"... http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/FOSS-De...Mar 21 18:29
schestowitzMore on Big G: Google's Data Fetish Drives Away Its Top Designer < http://valleywag.gawker.com/5177144/googles... >Mar 21 18:33
zer0c00lwhy linus is doing like this? he supports proprietary ?Mar 21 18:37
schestowitzWell, it's LinusMar 21 18:37
schestowitzObama trade officials promise thorough review of transparency policies  < http://www.keionline.org/blogs/200... > < another pretenderMar 21 18:37
schestowitz"This image... all known objects - functioning and dead - in orbit around earth. " < http://eaves.ca/2009/03/20/... >Mar 21 18:39
schestowitz"This image... all known objects - functioning and dead - in orbit around earth. " < http://eaves.ca/2009/03/20/what-po... >Mar 21 18:39
schestowitzBallmer: GNU/Linux Will Win on Netbooks < http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/200... > Mar 21 18:42
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schestowitzDE: Federal government to increase its open source expertise < http://www.osor.eu/news/de-federal-go... >Mar 21 18:45
schestowitzLinux is now modeling: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS...Mar 21 18:48
zer0c00lits funny GNU/PHONE http://notnews.today.com/2008/09/2...Mar 21 18:49
schestowitzBack to the Dark Ages: London imposes de-facto 9PM curfew on under-16s < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/21... >Mar 21 18:50
schestowitzzer0c00l: that's David Gerard's site (from BN)Mar 21 18:50
zer0c00l:-)Mar 21 18:51
schestowitzDell axes more Irish jobs  < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne... >Mar 21 18:54
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taconeschestowitz: why do you write excerpts in your posts ?Mar 21 19:10
taconeare those getting used anywhere ?Mar 21 19:10
schestowitzUsually in all the feeds, search results, and abbreviated items in front page (bottom)Mar 21 19:14
taconefyi: that's what prevents wordpress from applying the full feeds optionMar 21 19:14
taconeif an excerpt is written, it's used in the feed. that's my take, at least.Mar 21 19:14
taconenot that partial feeds are bad. i am saying just because you said you couldn't use full ones.Mar 21 19:15
taconelol turns out i were wrong.Mar 21 19:19
taconeseems like to me your atom feed is partial. the normal feed is already full.Mar 21 19:20
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*tacone updating his subscription.Mar 21 19:21
trmancomy bouncer is downMar 21 19:22
trmanco:|Mar 21 19:22
trmanco19:24:41 up 19 days, 17:02, 8 users, load average: 124.58, 111.78, 72.68Mar 21 19:23
trmanco:|Mar 21 19:23
schestowitztacone: thanksMar 21 19:23
schestowitzI didn't know tharMar 21 19:24
trmancoI wonder who is the the sysadmin of this serverMar 21 19:24
schestowitzhard times with DreamLinux: http://www.raiden.net/?cat=2&aid=541Mar 21 19:24
taconelol, me neitherMar 21 19:24
*schestowitz has 3307 unread itesms in BNMar 21 19:29
trmancohttp://blogs.zdnet.com/open-s...Mar 21 19:30
schestowitztrmanco: it's an anti FOSS blogMar 21 19:31
schestowitzIntelligence services' interrogation rules banning torture to be published < http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/m... >Mar 21 19:32
trmancoit is? hmmMar 21 19:32
schestowitzThe lobbyists/shills took over the global warming cdebate. Appalling: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/mar...Mar 21 19:32
trmancohttp://www.flickr.com/photos/29103...Mar 21 19:33
schestowitztrmanco: much of the time. The author doesn't support what he writes aboutMar 21 19:33
*zer0c00l agrees with schestowitzMar 21 19:33
trmancowrites for money...Mar 21 19:33
zer0c00lprobablyMar 21 19:33
zer0c00li too have read his blog past few timesMar 21 19:34
schestowitzyes, provocatioMar 21 19:37
schestowitzZDNet BSMar 21 19:37
schestowitzIt should be knocked off Google News... long agoMar 21 19:37
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schestowitzA bunch of flamers/'masturbating moneys' treated as 'news'Mar 21 19:37
schestowitzFormer diplomat demands publication of complete Iraq war paper trail < http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2... >Mar 21 19:37
zer0c00l:DMar 21 19:38
schestowitzRe: global warming: If we behave as if it's too late, then our prophecy is bound to come true < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree... >Mar 21 19:39
schestowitzOne solution would be birth control The population on Earth is too vast to supply water, food and also take account of nature, atmosphere, etc.Mar 21 19:39
amarsh04schestowitz, it seems a lot of hot topics in .au appear on forums.whirlpool.net.auMar 21 19:54
schestowitzI heard about itMar 21 19:57
schestowitzI think the context appeared a lot in Groklaw... something about censorship or closure in 2008Mar 21 19:58
schestowitzI didn't realise this had made Slashdot: Texas Legislature Considers Open Document Formats  < http://tech.slashdot.org/article.p... >Mar 21 19:59
schestowitzHolder Tells Agencies To Open More Records < http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con... >. Secrecy is typically indicative of corruption.Mar 21 20:10
schestowitz:-( http://www.computerworld.com/action... "According to an event invitation from Sun Microsystems Inc., the Internet Archive is moving from a traditional data center filled with standard Linux servers to one that runs Solaris 10 with ZFS on Sun Fire x4500s servers inside a Sun Modular Datacenter."Mar 21 20:14
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amarsh04the IBM - Sun speculation sort of follows logically from the HP-EDS merger... HP/EDS is phasing out Sun hardware in favour of HP hardwareMar 21 20:15
amarsh04I don't know how much HP/EDS will use Linux... I'm sure IBM Global Services will use LinuxMar 21 20:18
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schestowitzIBM doesn't like *GPLMar 21 20:21
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amarsh04linux.corp.hp.com says "powered by Debian" but runs on IISMar 21 20:22
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amarsh04will have to ask Bdale Garbee about thatMar 21 20:23
trmancoI'm still not an 100%Mar 21 20:24
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schestowitzamarsh04: Microsoft pays them to move sometimesMar 21 20:30
trmanco:|Mar 21 20:30
schestowitzOr see the correspondence between MS and Intel where MS tells them to move to Windows hostingMar 21 20:30
schestowitztrmanco: connection wobbly?Mar 21 20:30
amarsh04that too, schestowitz. btw, the grand-daughter likes the Tuz she received for her 6th birthdayMar 21 20:31
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schestowitzamarsh04: here it is: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/1...Mar 21 20:32
schestowitz"I also have a personal ask that if we do the 64bit work that we get INTEL.COM to be a 64bit ASP.NET sites. "Mar 21 20:32
schestowitzRudder said this, IIRCMar 21 20:32
trmanco...Mar 21 20:32
trmancoscrew itMar 21 20:32
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schestowitzOld media keeps dying. First the newspaper industry began suffering. Now it is newsprint. < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/business... >Mar 21 20:39
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trmancohere is the other idiotMar 21 20:42
trmancolets see how long he can stay connected without being disconnected with excess floodMar 21 20:43
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Sasha12113helo everybodyMar 21 20:44
Sasha12113I am officially making my statement: i use arch linux and on april 1st, i'm not going to careMar 21 20:45
Sasha12113so go do your del c:\Mar 21 20:45
Sasha12113oh wait....Mar 21 20:45
Sasha12113:PMar 21 20:45
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trmancouh?Mar 21 20:46
schestowitzComedyMar 21 20:47
schestowitzNovell/OpenSUSE at a Free/OS software conference: http://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/FOSDEM/2009/... patent this, patent that.Mar 21 20:50
schestowitz"For all the browsers on operating systems, the hardest target is Firefox on Windows. With Firefox on Mac OS X, you can do whatever you want. There’s nothing in the Mac operating system that will stop you." http://blogs.zdnet.com/securit...Mar 21 20:55
trmancohaMar 21 20:55
trmancoits stableMar 21 20:55
schestowitzMac fan MinceR will be sobbing over itMar 21 20:55
trmancolets go make the changeMar 21 20:55
MinceRlolMar 21 20:55
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trmancocoolMar 21 20:56
trmancomy news costumeMar 21 20:56
trmanconew*Mar 21 20:56
MinceRhm, did they attack opera too?Mar 21 20:56
MinceRoh, and chromiumMar 21 20:56
schestowitzChromium was safeMar 21 20:57
schestowitzGecko + Windows stuffMar 21 20:57
schestowitzPseudopen-sourceMar 21 20:58
schestowitzThe cure to Ballmer's "cancer"Mar 21 20:58
trmancohttp://groups.fsf.org/index.php/Richa...Mar 21 20:59
schestowitzI've come to sad conclusionsMar 21 20:59
schestowitzHaving watches some films recently (documentaries/lectures for the most part), it seems likely that human selfishness is motivated -- in part -- by inbred education, which is the very opposite of ubuntu (the word, not the brand name). People will continues to selfishly expand and I see this in people whom I speak to. It's what they are raised to believe.Mar 21 21:01
schestowitzSo overpopulation will lead to war over water initially. Rising seas levels cause that too.Mar 21 21:01
*schestowitz didn't know FSF had a Wiki. http://groups.fsf.org/in... Why is the planet red? Blood? Devil? Mar 21 21:03
schestowitzFSF spreads the Red Scare/Threat. They knew it was a communist pl0t ! BahMar 21 21:04
MinceR:)Mar 21 21:04
schestowitzNovell filled YouTUbe up with garbage: http://www.youtube.com/watch...Mar 21 21:06
schestowitzGrant H0Mar 21 21:06
trmancoyuckMar 21 21:08
trmancothey are promoting silvilightMar 21 21:09
schestowitzWhere?Mar 21 21:09
schestowitzThe video?Mar 21 21:09
trmancoyesMar 21 21:09
schestowitzLet me see it till the endMar 21 21:09
trmancothe part where he talks about interoperabilityMar 21 21:10
schestowitzAppArmor?Mar 21 21:10
schestowitzNovell laid them offMar 21 21:10
schestowitzIt's dyingMar 21 21:11
schestowitzHe doesn't linger on it...Mar 21 21:12
schestowitzNo big smoke there.......Mar 21 21:12
schestowitzPetty nitpicking = redundantMar 21 21:13
trmancothe people that say that blender sucks can shut up -> http://www.youtube.com/watc...Mar 21 21:18
schestowitzIt's one heck of a powerful programMar 21 21:18
schestowitzUsed to be proprietaryMar 21 21:19
schestowitzMade in Blender: http://www.youtube.com/watch... (Big Buck Bunny)Mar 21 21:19
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trmancoyeah, that is another exampleMar 21 21:20
schestowitzAnother fantastic day for Linux today. Microsoft has had NO NEW products for agesMar 21 21:22
schestowitzLinux: Presto; Ubuntu 9.04, Compiz, 2.6.29........ Microsoft: lawsuit vs TomTom, Firefox3 wannabe, more dumping on OEMs to prevent more Linux on sub-notebooks...Mar 21 21:23
schestowitzWhy Firefox rules: 100 tips to help you work smarter with Firefox < http://www.techradar.com/news/internet... >Mar 21 21:25
schestowitzWill Microsoft Abandon Windows to Compete with Linux?  < http://www.daniweb.com/b... >Mar 21 21:25
schestowitzPCLOS 2009 looks really fantastic. All reviews are positive. http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/...Mar 21 21:28
schestowitzRipper Gang >> Microsoft Corp. (+$6bn on Lonhorn in the wastebasket)Mar 21 21:29
MinceRi don't get what this "Microsoft Desktop" is supposed to beMar 21 21:30
schestowitzMe neither. Maybe the whole hazy 'cloud' BSMar 21 21:34
schestowitzYeah... Linux on devicesMar 21 21:34
schestowitzTo connect to... Azure?Mar 21 21:34
schestowitzEither way, while Linux thinks "fast boot, better GUIs, security models" Microsoft thinks "sue! Cancer! Buy, spend. Apple is more expensive ad nauseam..."Mar 21 21:35
schestowitzhttp://blog.taragana.com/index.php/ar... (Wubi: Install Ubuntu in Windows Partition - A Complete Guide)Mar 21 21:36
schestowitzHow not to phrase headlines: PCLinuxOS 2009.1 - A Taste of an Old Friend < http://sloppyganger.blogspot.com/2009/03/... >. Cannibalism?Mar 21 21:36
MinceRa Desktop Environment perhaps?Mar 21 21:38
schestowitzWhat's that? Clippy?\Mar 21 21:40
schestowitzThunar File Browser: Tips, Tricks and Scripts < http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/ti... >Mar 21 21:41
trmancohttp://toastytech.com/evil/billsucks.html -> be carefulMar 21 21:42
schestowitzSomeone decided to feed the trolls from IDG (funded in part by Microsoft): http://darrenyates.com.au/?p=1017 Mar 21 21:43
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_Hicham_1Hi All!Mar 21 21:43
schestowitztrmanco: but Billie loves ActiveXMar 21 21:44
schestowitzIt's anticompetetiveMar 21 21:44
schestowitzGood for him, tough for everyone elseMar 21 21:44
schestowitzBut not all his subordinates are arseholesMar 21 21:44
trmancoI can barely read itMar 21 21:44
_Hicham_1ActiveX is one of the basics of WindowsMar 21 21:44
trmancoit's redMar 21 21:44
schestowitzSee his E-mails for details: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content...Mar 21 21:44
_Hicham_1there is a lot of people in Microsoft who were against certain technologiesMar 21 21:45
schestowitz"Another suggestion In this mail was that we can’t make our own unilateral extensions to HTML I was going to say this was wrong and correct this also." --PearlyGMar 21 21:45
trmancothe X in ActiveX is embarrassing for *nixMar 21 21:45
schestowitzLike WindowsMar 21 21:45
schestowitzBad for x windowsMar 21 21:45
_Hicham_1the X stands for pornMar 21 21:45
trmancoit should be activeHoleMar 21 21:45
trmancoor something like thatMar 21 21:45
_Hicham_1it means that Windows is an active whoreMar 21 21:45
schestowitzBad messaging thereMar 21 21:45
schestowitzHole.. pr0n./Mar 21 21:46
schestowitzWTF?Mar 21 21:46
trmancololMar 21 21:46
trmancoX marks the spotMar 21 21:46
schestowitzFor peeingMar 21 21:46
trmancono, that's not enoughMar 21 21:46
schestowitzThis guys marks the spot too: http://www.geekologie.com/2007/10/0...Mar 21 21:46
trmancoyeahMar 21 21:47
MinceRthe X in OS X is embarrassing for Unix, too :>Mar 21 21:48
trmancopiratesMar 21 21:49
_Hicham_1Gnome must have licensed its ideasMar 21 21:49
trmancothey do a good job with eyecandy thoughMar 21 21:49
_Hicham_1and compiz alsoMar 21 21:49
_Hicham_1like the trash icon in the apple daysMar 21 21:50
schestowitzDrag CD drive to trashMar 21 21:51
schestowitzBad metaphorMar 21 21:51
schestowitzPress Start to Shut DownMar 21 21:51
trmancohttp://www.tuxradar.com/beginnerscodeMar 21 21:51
trmancomonodevelop looks like visual studioMar 21 21:52
trmancoyuckMar 21 21:52
*_Hicham_1 has quit ("Leaving.")Mar 21 21:52
schestowitzhttp://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/... Old headline was: "Is Oracle Forking Red Hat Linux?" Did Oracle ask him to change it?Mar 21 21:53
trmanco"screw mono, this should be a python, perl, or bash tutorial. not freakin' mono!"Mar 21 21:53
schestowitztrmanco: simplifies things in case MS buys NovellMar 21 21:53
trmancoI didn't read the title wellMar 21 21:54
trmancoThe beginner's guide to codingMar 21 21:54
trmanco        ~ ~~~~~~Mar 21 21:55
trmancoheheMar 21 21:55
trmancoI would of followed the guide if it was in java or some other free languageMar 21 21:56
schestowitzFirst release of nftables < http://lwn.net/Articles/324251/ >Mar 21 21:56
schestowitztrmanco: for n00bs like MigiMar 21 21:56
schestowitzBack to VB and Windows 3.1Mar 21 21:56
schestowitztrmanco: new: Free Online Book On Blender: Solid 3D Rendering/Animation Lessons < http://ostatic.com/blog/free-onli... >Mar 21 21:59
trmanconice, to bad I'm not into 3d modelingMar 21 22:00
schestowitzOh boy. "I'm not the only one reaching out. Our web manager, Dan Lopez, who is up to his eyeballs in coding and design right now, recently contacted the folks at Jupiter Broadcasting, hosts of the Linux Action Show and In Depth series, to get their thoughts on video technology." http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org...Mar 21 22:03
schestowitzThe Linux Action Show guys are anti-FreedomMar 21 22:04
schestowitzNo surprise there.Mar 21 22:04
schestowitzLinux Foundation + anti-Freedom = good matchMar 21 22:04
schestowitzhttp://ubuntulinuxtipstricks.blog... "The first time I joined the #ubuntu-devel channel (slightly under a year ago) and said "hi, um, I have a patch. What do I do?" I was all scared."Mar 21 22:05
schestowitzThis guy flattened the E-mails but forget to remove the ">" http://www.mandrivafr.org/trac/magnum/wiki/...Mar 21 22:07
schestowitzgood old gentoo.. all gone! < http://bershath.blogspot.co... >. Sabayon lives on.Mar 21 22:09
Eruaranhuh ?Mar 21 22:09
schestowitzOne Laptop Per Child: A Project That Labor Could Turn Around for the Better < http://www.openmediaboston.org/node/590 > Derailed by Microsoft and Intel.Mar 21 22:12
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EruaranIs there still only one guy from Novell doing KDE bindings for Mono/C# ?Mar 21 23:56
EruaranBecuase I think Miguel De Icaza's post is a load of shit.Mar 21 23:57
Eruaran"The KDE folks have created some brilliant bindings  for Mono and .NET called Qyoto."Mar 21 23:57
EruaranWhat "KDE folks" ?Mar 21 23:57
EruaranAnd "bindings" is linked to the Qt website... to no page that relates to anything he's talking aboutMar 21 23:58
schestowitzEruaran: I see twoMar 21 23:58
schestowitzDale and another with a Nordic nameMar 21 23:58
EruaranBoth Novell ?Mar 21 23:59
schestowitzNo.Mar 21 23:59
schestowitzCouldn't find a relationshipMar 21 23:59

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