EditorsAbout the SiteComes vs. MicrosoftUsing This Web SiteSite ArchivesCredibility IndexOOXMLOpenDocumentPatentsNovellNews DigestSite NewsRSS

11.29.07

Novell and Microsoft Make an ‘Impartial’ Crowd

Posted in Interoperability, Microsoft, Novell, Open XML, OpenDocument at 3:33 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Microsoft Novell

Apparently, if Microsoft and Miguel de Icaza agree on something, then we might as well assume that Linux has made peace with Microsoft. That’s the type of impression one is left with after reading this:

How many sides are there in the OOXML debate? What if all sides are Microsoft and Microsoft business partners?

[...]

Dough Mahugh (Microsoft) :

Next week’s XML 2007 conference in Boston features speakers from all sides of the document format debate, including a document interop session with Miguel de Icaza (Novell) and Vijay Rajagopalan (Microsoft) that I expect will offer a lively discussion around Open XML, ODF, and XML-based interoperability in general.

”OOXML is all about Microsoft, so what is Novell’s presence supposed to mean in this case?“Novell insists that it supports ODF, yet it sends a speaker to this conference who thinks that OOXML is a superb standard. Let is be clear that OOXML is against ODF in the sense that it’s designed to interfere with its adoption. OOXML is all about Microsoft, so what is Novell’s presence supposed to mean in this case? As we stated before, Novell helps OOXML. Need one even mention the fact that Yahoo is presenting, despite it close relationships with Microsoft and some apparent tendencies that are against Open Source and freedom?

It is the type of smug deception we see above (“all sides of the debate”) which makes the GNOME Foundation's presence in ECMA a disaster, makes Gnumeric support of OOXML a disaster, with even more to come. Any participation of this kind will be used by Microsoft against OpenDocument format? It’s bad enough that Novell is one among several known 'puppets' that are companies. But why GNOME?

Share this post: These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • del.icio.us
  • Reddit
  • co.mments
  • DZone
  • email
  • Google Bookmarks
  • LinkedIn
  • NewsVine
  • Print
  • Technorati
  • TwitThis
  • Facebook

If you liked this post, consider subscribing to the RSS feed or join us now at the IRC channels.

Pages that cross-reference this one

A Single Comment

  1. Stephane Rodriguez said,

    November 30, 2007 at 7:01 am

    Gravatar

    I know it’s trendy these days to call out Miguel and his friends. I think it’s deserved, he’s a moron. Just take a look at his blog, it’s 100% Microsoft related these days. I think Miguel is just a Microsoft guy who takes a pride not to be on their payroll (he told me privately a while back that he made a lot of money and that he did not need to work anymore). But to be constructive, I’ll add what seems to me more important on the OOXML debate.

    It’s a little subtle. The real question is not about supporting this file format or not. Market forces dictate that any vendor of an Office suite will have to support it sooner or later or will lose customers. (As an aide, MS Office 2009 beta is just around the corner, it will be interesting to know what kind of changes are being made to the file format.)

    The real question is about whether a vendor takes the memory structure to implement the main functions out of OOXML files (read, write, render, calc, …) to exactly match the one from OOXML, or if it’s a superset, or something different.

    First an anecdote, ever wondered why Jody Goldberg is boasting support for some of OOXML file format? Clearly because Gnumeric is a decade-old project whose internal memory structure was DESIGNED TO MATCH the one from Excel. And since OOXML spreadsheets is just angle brackets around the old Excel, it automatically follows that for someone with all the stack implemented already, it does not take years to implement some of the OOXML file format. Note that, to be accurate, Gnumeric won’t probably support any of the new theming/DrawingML/charting stuff introduced in Excel 2007 for at least two years, and that won’t stop him from claiming suport anyhow. Now someone must ask himself, what time is it going to take for someone starting from scratch now? 2 years? 5 years? 10 years?

    The only reason why Jody Goldberg does not support ODF, or not so much, is because the memory structure of Gnumeric is too tightly coupled with Excel’s, therefore it can’t adapt.

    What we need is a vendor whose memory structure is so versatile it can adapts to any Office related file format. As a matter of truth, Microsoft could have made this task much easier if they understood XML. The way the Excel team uses XML only proves they don’t understand XML at all : in essence, they use it as a binary stream instead of a text stream. It’s only the result of Microsoft own incompetence that implementing OOXML and interoperating with other file formats is going to be so much taxing for everyone out there. For this reason alone, OOXML should be rejected at ISO, until it gets significantly improved. (I have no problem Microsoft getting the ISO timestamp if the file format has real merit, which it lacks right now).

What Else is New


  1. Links 28/8/2016: Q4OS 1.6, ConnochaetOS 14.2

    Links for the day



  2. The United States Has Gotten Over Software Patents

    A roundup of new articles about software patents in the United States, 2 years into the post-Alice era (the US Supreme Court deeming patents on software too abstract to have merit)



  3. More Lies From President Benoît Battistelli and the EPO Crisis Which Continues to Deepen

    The European Patent Office (EPO), collectively speaking, is still wrestling with a Battistelli infiltration (a circle of high-level managers) which habitually lies and viciously attacks those who dare counter these lies



  4. Links 27/8/2016: Torvalds and GPL, “DOD Must Embrace Open-Source Software”

    Links for the day



  5. Links 26/8/2016: Maru OS Resurfaces, Android More Reliable Than 'i' Things, PC-BSD Becomes TrueOS

    Links for the day



  6. Good Job, David Kappos, Says the 'Boss' (IBM)

    Responses to the latest call against Alice (eliminator of many software patents), courtesy of the man from IBM (still paid by IBM) who was responsible for the policy that blindly approved a lot of software patents in the US



  7. Being for Patent Quality or Against Patenting Excess Does Not Make You Anti-Patents

    Like IAM, which tries to portray sceptics and critics of software patents as "anti-patents", IP Watchdog (or Watchtroll as we call it) is 'trolling' the Electronic Frontier Foundation, simply because it expressed an opinion that patent maximalists cannot tolerate



  8. Erosion of Patent Quality Enables Patent Extortion With Large Portfolios of Low Validity Rate

    Revisiting the EPO's vision of poor patent examination and the effect of discriminatory granting practices, favouring patent bullies such as Microsoft (which actively attacks Linux using low-quality and usually pure software patents)



  9. The EPO's Francesco Zaccà Presenting in Turin Alongside Patent Trolls (Like the Patent Mafia Sisvel) and Lobbyists/Front Groups for Software Patents, UPC

    Benjamin Henrion (FFII) on seeing the EPO alongside patent trolls and other nefarious actors, doing what they do best, which is undermining public interests and harming patent quality



  10. The EPO, USPTO, and Patent Microcosm Peddle Myths About Patents in Public Universities and Research

    Tackling some of the commonly-spread myths about patents as "saving lives" and "promoting research" (in practice leading to the death of poor people and promoting trolls)



  11. Large Corporations' Lobbyist David Kappos Disgraces Former Employer USPTO by Meddling in Their Affairs on Software Patents, Downplaying the Supreme Court

    The latest lobbying from David Kappos, who blatantly exploits his connections in patent circles to promote software patents and work towards their resurgence after Alice v CLS Bank



  12. Journal of Intellectual Property Law and Practice Calls the European Patent Office “Rotten”, Other Sources Scrutinise Recent Moves

    The patent office which was once known for being the best bar none is rotting under the Frenchman Benoît Battistelli, who made himself and his friends the main clients of the Office



  13. PTAB Emerges as Hero of USPTO Because Quality of Patents Improves, Software Patents Are Effectively Dead (or Dying Once Reassessed)

    With help from the Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB) -- not just patent courts -- software patents drop like flies by the thousands



  14. Creative Technology, Now Operating in 'Patent Troll' Mode, Shot Down by the ITC; Jawbone Too Shot Down

    Some good news from the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC), which may have put an end to Creative's new war on Android (using old patents)



  15. Corporate Media in India Misrepresents Startups to Push for Software Patents

    A parade of misinformation as seen in Indian (but English-speaking) press this week as questions about patentability of software resurface



  16. Links 25/8/2016: Linux Turns 25, NetworkManager Turns 1.4

    Links for the day



  17. Links 24/8/2016: More From LinuxCon, Uganda Wants FOSS

    Links for the day



  18. Links 23/8/2016: GNOME 3.22 Beta, Android 7.0 Nougat

    Links for the day



  19. The Linux Foundation Gives Microsoft (Paid-for) Keynote Position While Microsoft Extorts (With Patents) Lenovo and Motorola Over Linux Use

    This morning's reminder that Nadella is just another Ballmer (with a different face); Motorola and Lenovo surrender to Microsoft's patent demands and will soon put Microsoft spyware/malware on their Linux-powered products to avert costly legal battles



  20. Not Just President Battistelli: EPO Vice-Presidents Are Still Intentionally Misrepresenting EPO Staff

    Evidence serving to show that EPO Vice-Presidents are still intentionally misrepresenting EPO staff representatives and misleading everyone in order to defend Battistelli



  21. Battistelli the Liar Causes a Climate of Confrontation in French Politics, Lies About Patent Quality (Among Many Other Things)

    Battistelli's lies are coming under increased scrutiny inside and outside the European Patent Office (EPO), where patent quality has been abandoned in order to artificially elevate figures



  22. The Collapse of Software Patents and Patent Law Firms Trying to “Overcome” Alice

    The United States continues its gradual crackdown on software patents (which are viewed as abstract and thus unpatentable), whereas in Europe things are murkier than ever



  23. Apple's Patent Wars Against Android/Linux Make Patent Trolls Stronger

    Apple's insistence that designs should be patentable could prove to be collectively expensive, as patent trolls would then use a possible SCOTUS nod to launch litigation campaigns



  24. Links 22/8/2016: Linux 4.8 RC3, Linux Mint 18 “Sarah” KDE Beta

    Links for the day



  25. Links 21/8/2016: Apple and Microsoft Down, Systemd Spreading to Mount

    Links for the day



  26. Links 20/8/2016: Android Domination, FSFE summit 2016

    Links for the day



  27. Patents Roundup: Trolls Dominate Litigation, PTAB Crushes Patents, Patent Box Regime Persists, and OIN Explains Itself

    Another roundup of patent news from around the Web with special focus on software patenting



  28. The Cost/Toll of the 'New' EPO and Where All That Money Goes or Comes From

    The European Patent Office has become a servant of the rich and powerful (including large foreign corporations) and even its own employees now pay the price associated with misguided new policies (or 'reforms' as Battistelli habitually refers to these)



  29. Links 19/8/2016: Linux Mint With KDE, Linux Foundation's PNDA

    Links for the day



  30. The End of an Era at the USPTO as Battistelli-Like (EPO) Granting Policies Are Over

    The United States is seeing the potency of patents -- especially software patents (which make up much of the country's troll cases) -- challenged by courts and by the Patent Trial and Appeal Board (PTAB)


CoPilotCo

RSS 64x64RSS Feed: subscribe to the RSS feed for regular updates

Home iconSite Wiki: You can improve this site by helping the extension of the site's content

Home iconSite Home: Background about the site and some key features in the front page

Chat iconIRC Channel: Come and chat with us in real time

CoPilotCo

Recent Posts