05.22.09

Quote of the Day: “Microsoft Doesn’t Follow Standards, They Create Them.”

Posted in Mail, Microsoft, OpenDocument, Quote, Standard at 6:45 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Summary: Scott Dorsey on Microsoft’s behaviour in many areas

A READER sent us the following message last night:

Interesting post from an old-timer regarding Microsoft’s adherence to standards. I can’t find the reference, but I’m betting that it goes way back (i.e. Microsoft Mail is what they now call Exchange):


Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed-00.mathworks.com!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail
From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: Microsoft refuses to accept need for postmaster@ address.
Date: 20 May 2009 21:15:29 -0400
Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000)
Lines: 16
Message-ID: gv29vh$iq8$1@panix2.panix.com
References: f6709601-e689-4413-b3d9-27b1f0518683@j18g2000prm.googlegroups.com
NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com
X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1242868530 85 166.84.1.2 (21 May 2009 01:15:30 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 01:15:30 +0000 (UTC)
Xref: uni-berlin.de news.admin.net-abuse.email:2817085

James W Anderson  jander7@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > As you have mentioned that Microsoft does not currently provide a
> >Postmaster@Microsoft.com address space per RFC821 and RFC822, we do
> >provide a full help and support site at http://postmaster.live.com for
> >both inbound and outbound SMTP and HTTP mail transmission support
> >
> >So they in the end don't want to provide a valid postmaster address.
> >Comments?

As the Microsoft Mail folks explained to Eric Allman when he pointed out
RFC822 violations, "Microsoft doesn't follow standards, they create them."
--scott

Meanwhile, there is plenty of coverage popping up about the latest news, namely the ODF Alliance's reaction to MSODF:

Slashdot: ODF Alliance: Microsoft Support for ODF is Lacking

The ODF Alliance has prepared a Fact Sheet for governments and others interested in how Microsoft’s SP2 for Office 2007 handles ODF. The report revealed ‘serious shortcomings that, left unaddressed, would break the open standards based interoperability that the marketplace, especially governments, is demanding.

Linux Magazine: ODF Alliance: Microsoft Support for ODF is Lacking

The Open Document Format (ODF) Alliance has analyzed whether Microsoft’s Service Pack 2 for Office 2007 fulfills the promise for compatibility with the free document standard. Their findings give little reason to hope.

There is a lot more in other languages, for example:

Microsoft does not like standards, except its own.

“What we are trying to do is use our server control to do new protocols and lock out Sun and Oracle specifically”

Bill Gates

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3 Comments

  1. Jose_X said,

    May 22, 2009 at 10:04 am

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    The email seems fresh. I would think the “Microsoft Mail folks” refers to the developers that code up the rfc822 (or 2822) protocols.

    [http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc822 is the email format protocol.. updated by rfc2822]

    >> “What we are trying to do is use our server control to do new protocols and lock out Sun and Oracle specifically”

    Ballmer will now be able to keep working on Gates’ dream while using only one stone (lol). .. I do hope Oracle is more aggressive than Sun was in pushing Linux as its preferred platform.

    Ballmer’s latest great move: http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcworld/20090522/tc_pcworld/microsoftcancelsantitrusthearingineurope

    Roy Schestowitz Reply:

    I sense that Ballmer is just camera-shy.

    Microsoft bails out of European competition hearing

  2. Roy Schestowitz said,

    May 22, 2009 at 12:52 pm

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    Scott Dorsey was asked about the origins of the Microsoft Mail quote. Here is his reply:

    I don’t have a cite offhand, but Eric Allman posted about it way back then on Usenet.

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