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| oiaohm | Most evil is really X11 | Apr 27 03:12 |
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| oiaohm | With custom alterations. | Apr 27 03:12 |
| oiaohm | That is also being handled with dri2 | Apr 27 03:13 |
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| oiaohm | After containers and X11 updates are competely I will be having another go at the merge everything distribution. | Apr 27 03:13 |
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| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : do u think that packaging can be profitable? | Apr 27 03:18 |
| oiaohm | I run servers. | Apr 27 03:19 |
| oiaohm | So there is nothing strange for people to be wanting different distributions to do different tasks. | Apr 27 03:20 |
| oiaohm | End of the distribution mess would reduce my complexity. | Apr 27 03:20 |
| oiaohm | So do you call that profitable. | Apr 27 03:21 |
| jose_X | oiaohm, do you have a good link on containers? | Apr 27 03:22 |
| jose_X | oiaohm, the distro merge is interesting. hopefully the problem can be attacked closer to the root but all techniques will probably come in handy in various cases. | Apr 27 03:29 |
| jose_X | will leave irc really soon i think | Apr 27 03:29 |
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| jose_X | yeah, i hope we figure out a way to leverage source code to solve some of these problems.. moving from centrally created distros to distributively specified and user defined distros | Apr 27 03:33 |
| jose_X | gn | Apr 27 03:33 |
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| :-D | Apr 27 03:36 | |
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| _Hicham_ | are u still here oiaohm? | Apr 27 04:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Connection when funny. | Apr 27 04:14 |
| _Hicham_ | maybe u have been hijacked | Apr 27 04:15 |
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| Ick, Roy, why on Earth did you link to this moron, http://www.infoworld.com/d/security... | Apr 27 04:29 | |
| ? | Apr 27 04:29 | |
| It's like reading a Philip Morris rep telling you that you might as well keep smoking because no one really knows anything. | Apr 27 04:30 | |
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| People eat poor Mr. Grimes up in the comments. http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-cent... | Apr 27 04:33 | |
| Comment #1, "Microsoft Security Advisor seems to be an oxymoron. First, that well publicized advice to move off of IE and ideally off Microsoft Windows all together was given in the context of demonstrated flaw" | Apr 27 04:33 | |
| I think I see now. It's an amazing admission of popular opinion by a M$ person, "Dump Windows == better security" | Apr 27 04:44 | |
| oiaohm_ | That is a bard artical. | Apr 27 04:44 |
| oiaohm_ | bad artical. | Apr 27 04:44 |
| oiaohm_ | tracking the lion and cheese worm data disputes that. | Apr 27 04:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Thing that about a multi culture that slows an attacker down is the different security systems in effect. | Apr 27 04:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Particularly if attack cannot tell what one they have in advance. | Apr 27 04:45 |
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| There are so many flaws and lies that the article is not worth reading. | Apr 27 05:01 | |
| It's a M$ troll. I doubt even the author believes what he wrote. | Apr 27 05:01 | |
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| ushimitsudoki | It's a stupid argument because he is basically saying: "there is no solid proof that a non-monoculture environment would be more secure." By extension, then, there is no solid proof that a non-monoculture environment would *not* be more secure, so we must rely on logic and reason and extrapolation. It is true, of course, that it is *possible* that a non-monoculture would not offer any security advantages, but it seem | Apr 27 05:06 |
| there's plenty of proof of both Windows insecurity and free software security. | Apr 27 05:07 | |
| like I said, the article reads like a tobacco industry rep trying to tell you you should smoke more | Apr 27 05:08 | |
| ushimitsudoki | Yes, I agree the tobacco industry analogy is good. The denial of obvious logic and reason with the assertion that there is a lack of "scientific proof" feels like it is straight out of a Phillip Morris playbook | Apr 27 05:09 |
| :) | Apr 27 05:10 | |
| ushimitsudoki | He's got enough truth in there to try to come across as reasonable (his last point is valid, although spun hard in favor of MS). The vast majority of the rest, however, is pure flim-flam. | Apr 27 05:12 |
| misdirection is almost always made of something that looks like truth but the point is to lie | Apr 27 05:15 | |
| There's no truth in denying M$'s awful security record and there is no equating Windows to free software. Free software is simply better. | Apr 27 05:16 | |
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| oiaohm_ | Problem here is simple. | Apr 27 05:28 |
| oiaohm_ | He is not 100 percent wrong. | Apr 27 05:28 |
| oiaohm_ | There is a lot of neglect in the open source world. | Apr 27 05:28 |
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| oiaohm_ | Take ubuntu using apparmor. | Apr 27 05:28 |
| oiaohm_ | A system that is documented as flawed. | Apr 27 05:28 |
| the_mad_hatter | Evening. Huffington Post has an article written by Bill Gates Sr. | Apr 27 05:29 |
| the_mad_hatter | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-gates... | Apr 27 05:29 |
| the_mad_hatter | He thinks Bill Gates Jr. is a good kid. | Apr 27 05:29 |
| the_mad_hatter | I think he's mad. | Apr 27 05:31 |
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| more of the same, "we're ordinary people" propaganda M$ is famous for. Bill Gates was giving parenting advice before he was married. | Apr 27 05:45 | |
| the Gates have spent a life time of ruthless self interest. nothing much has changed, including their self congratulations | Apr 27 05:47 | |
| the_mad_hatter | Still Roy may be able to use it. | Apr 27 05:56 |
| I suppose ... it was just too awful, could not read all of it. | Apr 27 05:57 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=... | Apr 27 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | Windows gets less secure as times goes by: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/... | Apr 27 08:59 |
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| schestowitz | My thoughts on Oracle and mysql: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04... | Apr 27 09:26 |
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| schestowitz | Someone has sent me a book review that sucks up to Microsoft. Maybe I'll weave some in if I get the chance. :-) | Apr 27 09:36 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi schestowitz! | Apr 27 09:40 |
| schestowitz | Hey there | Apr 27 09:41 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Apr 27 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Hi MinceR | Apr 27 10:06 |
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| _Hicham_ | hi oiaohm | Apr 27 10:12 |
| oiaohm | Having fun _Hicham_ | Apr 27 10:16 |
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| _Hicham_ | having fun? | Apr 27 10:23 |
| _Hicham_ | are u playing a game? | Apr 27 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Getting a virtual desktop by web setup. | Apr 27 10:26 |
| oiaohm | I don't know if you call that a game. | Apr 27 10:26 |
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| schestowitz | The Huffington Post and a new book redo history as we know it: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/27/th... | Apr 27 10:31 |
| schestowitz | I forgot to change (shorten) post slug. | Apr 27 10:32 |
| oiaohm | That one you picked up on monoculture of OS was arguement causing schestowitz | Apr 27 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Apple's retail layoffs misstated? < http://www.itwire.com/con... > | Apr 27 10:35 |
| schestowitz | Fair enough, I guess | Apr 27 10:35 |
| schestowitz | But they have less staff now.. full-time staff. | Apr 27 10:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm:yes, I quoted you on it | Apr 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | oh, wait | Apr 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | I mean something else | Apr 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Not the Grimes article | Apr 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Which was in LXer | Apr 27 10:36 |
| schestowitz | I did a post about Vista7 stringing together vulns from two OSes (VMs | Apr 27 10:36 |
| oiaohm | Its in the links. | Apr 27 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know. | Apr 27 10:39 |
| schestowitz | I found it in LXer. bad inclusion? | Apr 27 10:39 |
| oiaohm | http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-centra... << That one schestowitz | Apr 27 10:39 |
| oiaohm | Its Microsoft bent but its not 100 percent wrong. | Apr 27 10:40 |
| oiaohm | Hey you have to drop cat in Linux camp from time to time. | Apr 27 10:41 |
| schestowitz | EU Approves Copyright Extension, Despite Evidence Of The Harm It Does < http://techdirt.com/articles/20... > | Apr 27 10:42 |
| oiaohm | cheese worm and lion dispute it findings. Key thing there was detectablity of the multi culture. | Apr 27 10:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Schneier debunks them too | Apr 27 10:43 |
| oiaohm | If attacker can detect what they are going head to head with it makes no difference. | Apr 27 10:43 |
| schestowitz | And someone I know accuses him of being Microsoft bent now | Apr 27 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Secuirty though true obsecurity combind with multi culture. | Apr 27 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Is what is required. | Apr 27 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Ie true obsecurity does not mean keeping source code hidden. | Apr 27 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Its does the attacker know what they are going head to head with if no you have obsecuirty. | Apr 27 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Its like a house that you know what bobby traps the could of used but you don't know if they did. | Apr 27 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Mono culture and multi culture is only a small segement of problem. | Apr 27 10:45 |
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| oiaohm | Making out that there is no difference between Mono culture and multi culture to attacker leaving out the key of true obsecurity was a flawed document. | Apr 27 10:47 |
| oiaohm | In the same class MS has produced for a long time. | Apr 27 10:47 |
| oiaohm | Document is good Linux people need to be thinking about what the true difference is. | Apr 27 10:48 |
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| oiaohm | Ask most attackers why they leave Linux alone its the fear of not knowing if selinux smack.... is enabled or not. | Apr 27 10:48 |
| oiaohm | And how its going to respond. | Apr 27 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | Corruption: Politicians Defer To Time Warner Lobbyists Who Wrote The Bill They're Pushing < http://techdirt.com/articles/20... > | Apr 27 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | This Is Ironic: Reporter Cites Bogus WSJ Stats To Claim Bloggers Are Untrustworthy < http://techdirt.com/articles/200... > | Apr 27 10:51 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: a Lot are being acused of a MS bent because they are not covering why Linux has pushed against trend. | Apr 27 10:51 |
| schestowitz | This suggests that Sun bought mysql /years/ back :-) http://techdirt.com/articles/2009042... | Apr 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes | Apr 27 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Kool-Aid | Apr 27 10:52 |
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| schestowitz | Swine flu fears close schools in NY, Texas, Calif. < http://www.telegram.com/article/20... >. You'd think it's a third world problem, wouldn't you? | Apr 27 10:53 |
| oiaohm | Reason Linux pushed against virus trend is so simple. Thing the windows reporters don't get is that Linux systems are attacked a lot. | Apr 27 10:53 |
| oiaohm | I find Swine flu outbreak interesting. | Apr 27 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Drug that they said will work against it in the past did not work against Swine flu class of viruses. | Apr 27 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Drug what is used against bird flu classes of viruses. | Apr 27 10:55 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, many servers run Linux | Apr 27 10:55 |
| schestowitz | And attempts to attack them exist | Apr 27 10:56 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: there's some theory that these are deliberate tests | Apr 27 10:56 |
| schestowitz | [of flu] | Apr 27 10:56 |
| oiaohm | Simptoms are bird flu. | Apr 27 10:57 |
| oiaohm | I am more suspect it a out break of bird flu given a different name. | Apr 27 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Motive...? | Apr 27 10:58 |
| oiaohm | Motive hide that containment has failed. | Apr 27 10:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft in a wedgie: Can XP save Windows 7? < http://www.daniweb.com/bl... > | Apr 27 10:59 |
| oiaohm | And spreed method is unknown. | Apr 27 10:59 |
| oiaohm | After all the money spent destroying bird flu containment failure would be a huge embaracement. | Apr 27 10:59 |
| oiaohm | Remember pigs are a extream close releation to us in a lot of cell contruction ways. Right down to have the same blood types. Most illness we can get they can. | Apr 27 11:00 |
| schestowitz | Linux is well ARMed: First Android netbook to cost about $250 < http://www.linuxworld.com.au/inde... > | Apr 27 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Apr 27 11:01 |
| oiaohm | XP virtualised is going to perform like dog. | Apr 27 11:02 |
| schestowitz | So we can infect the pigs. Poor them. We're such pigs. | Apr 27 11:02 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: that's daemonfc's claim | Apr 27 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Lot of pig illnesses can infect us too. | Apr 27 11:02 |
| schestowitz | It drinks up RAM, don't forget | Apr 27 11:02 |
| schestowitz | And I read yesterday about a guy whose "7" (beta) runs like a dog with 1.5 GB of RAM in aVM | Apr 27 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like Vista. | Apr 27 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Are we talking about Vista 7 or piugs now? | Apr 27 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Same thing, thus confusing. | Apr 27 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Its in Microsoft virtual pc schestowitz | Apr 27 11:03 |
| oiaohm | That thing is not what you call fast. | Apr 27 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Well, Microsoft bough^T^T^T^Tnnnovated it | Apr 27 11:04 |
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| oiaohm | You really should follow that secuirty thing up with what happens if you run rm -rf as sudo on ubuntu. | Apr 27 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Its on youtube. | Apr 27 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Magic disappearing OS. | Apr 27 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Linux distributions are not without there fault. | Apr 27 11:05 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I know the guy who made the video | Apr 27 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Wayne abandoned fsckingwlinux | Apr 27 11:06 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what happened | Apr 27 11:06 |
| schestowitz | The last time I spoke to his he also got a gig t arstechnica | Apr 27 11:06 |
| schestowitz | Then LinusJournal put him down by rejecting an article. Maybe unlike his dad he decided not to be a writer and concentrate on studying. WHo knows......... | Apr 27 11:07 |
| oiaohm | I did it as a secuirty demostration once. | Apr 27 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Some people made the bad mistake after it to think I was pro MS. | Apr 27 11:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsckin.com/ | Apr 27 11:07 |
| schestowitz | Wow. No post in ALMOST a YEAR | Apr 27 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Until i followed up with the as system user windows self nuking. | Apr 27 11:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.fsckin.com/2008/04/21/im-... | Apr 27 11:08 |
| oiaohm | Make a dban image first load by the windows boot loader set auto run. | Apr 27 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Is very effective at making windows go by by. | Apr 27 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Gets even more creactive put a fake windows loading screen on dban. | Apr 27 11:10 |
| oiaohm | They were really upset when the windows machine that was sitting jsut booting up for next demo was truly being blanked. | Apr 27 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Next demo was restoring image from server. | Apr 27 11:11 |
| schestowitz | Grab a screenshot , make it a wallpaper, empty desktop | Apr 27 11:11 |
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| oiaohm | Linux is just more truthful to how weak it is. | Apr 27 11:12 |
| oiaohm | Fast boot times are important. | Apr 27 11:13 |
| schestowitz | India, Sierra Leone place OLPC orders < http://www.linuxworld.com/news/200... >. Does it run Fedora? | Apr 27 11:13 |
| oiaohm | So machine is not sitting there being blanked and people just walking past not noticing. | Apr 27 11:13 |
| oiaohm | olpc can run Linux or windows. | Apr 27 11:14 |
| oiaohm | I mostly use blanking a PC to demostrate how invisable an attack can be. | Apr 27 11:15 |
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| oiaohm | Wish I had 9 machines so I could set up hack norts and crosses. | Apr 27 11:17 |
| schestowitz | Released and already down: http://toorox.de/ | Apr 27 11:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: use 9 coins | Apr 27 11:21 |
| schestowitz | Cheaper... | Apr 27 11:21 |
| oiaohm | The video of it. | Apr 27 11:22 |
| schestowitz | Edwards brings back memories from 2008 (dwelling on the past) http://openstack.blogspot.com/20... and citing a MS shill too | Apr 27 11:22 |
| oiaohm | Windows Solarias AIX Apple ... Yes try to put a diffeerent OS on each. | Apr 27 11:22 |
| oiaohm | And have them all nuked by the end of game. | Apr 27 11:22 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/techn... | Apr 27 11:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I forgot the algo for never losing this game | Apr 27 11:24 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dongle | Apr 27 11:26 |
| oiaohm | I know the algo for never using at nots and crosses. | Apr 27 11:27 |
| oiaohm | The problem with a domination game is you don't know exactly what machine you cracked into. | Apr 27 11:27 |
| oiaohm | To place you pice so its not much use. | Apr 27 11:27 |
| oiaohm | It is what makes the game more fun the randomness bit schestowitz | Apr 27 11:29 |
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| schestowitz | Games are for suckers | Apr 27 11:39 |
| schestowitz | They are destructive a lot of the time | Apr 27 11:39 |
| schestowitz | Swine flu: Twitter's power to misinform < http://neteffect.foreignpolicy.com/pos... > | Apr 27 11:40 |
| oiaohm | It makes demos more fun. | Apr 27 11:40 |
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| schestowitz | I need to go for a while | Apr 27 11:43 |
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| nicks | hello schestowitz | Apr 27 12:56 |
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| logger_bot | Yo! | Apr 27 13:04 |
| logger_bot | Been away for w hile | Apr 27 13:04 |
| logger_bot | At work ATM | Apr 27 13:04 |
| *logger_bot is roy | Apr 27 13:04 | |
| *logger_bot uses GNOME | Apr 27 13:04 | |
| logger_bot | uptime 3 months | Apr 27 13:05 |
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| Ap0G33 | hey I use opensuse for more than 1 year and now I and thinking to move to another another distro.. | Apr 27 13:10 |
| Ap0G33 | so wich is the best one? | Apr 27 13:11 |
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| ras0ir | Ap0G33: i can suggest arch linux and pardus | Apr 27 13:20 |
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| nicks | arch linux is good | Apr 27 13:24 |
| nicks | as well Ubuntu | Apr 27 13:24 |
| nicks | but my personal winner is Fedora | Apr 27 13:24 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: My collegue downloaded and tried Vista 7. Despite yapping childishly about "Amazing" it is, he also claims that when he downloaded it (for free), he got a message telling him he can use this version until 2011, or something. What do you think? | Apr 27 13:27 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: yes, it self-destructs | Apr 27 14:08 |
| schestowitz | I've got to go again. It rainy and ugly today. Time for some exercise :-S | Apr 27 14:09 |
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| trmanco | Cyber Secure Institute on the Conficker Controversy: http://cybersecureinstitute.org/blog/?p=15 | Apr 27 16:01 |
| trmanco | "Any analysis of the true impact of Conficker must also factor in the (wasted) time, resources, and energies of the cyber-community, governments, companies and individuals. Extrapolating out from studies on the average cost of similar past attacks, the total economic cost of this worm (including the cost of efforts to combat the worm, the cost of purchasing counter-measure software) could be as high as $9.1 billion" | Apr 27 16:03 |
| trmanco | maybe microsoft should pay this value with it's Q1 profits | Apr 27 16:04 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 27 16:10 |
| MinceR | actually, regardless of its profits | Apr 27 16:10 |
| MinceR | anyway, this is a tiny fraction of the damage they've caused so far | Apr 27 16:10 |
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| trmanco | really tiny fraction :-P | Apr 27 16:12 |
| trmanco | RTF | Apr 27 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia Threatens Artists for Fair Use < http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009... > | Apr 27 16:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I saw a Windows crash today | Apr 27 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Windows XP | Apr 27 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Collagues box | Apr 27 16:15 |
| MinceR | not such a rare event | Apr 27 16:15 |
| schestowitz | It's pathetic. Needed a reboot | Apr 27 16:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I know, he was not surprised, either | Apr 27 16:15 |
| schestowitz | For me it's not considered unless there's a power failure (no UPS) | Apr 27 16:16 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the mouse and things just froze | Apr 27 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Reading PDFs --> too much | Apr 27 16:16 |
| schestowitz | I guess migrating to BetaVista7 won't resolve this | Apr 27 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Needless to say, that was wasted valuable time | Apr 27 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Multiple by 700 million users or something like that (x recurrence) | Apr 27 16:17 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying, "one in 1000 flights will end up with a crash. We just take that for granted and into consideration when assessing cost." A better solution is to improve planes, inspection, systems, etc. | Apr 27 16:18 |
| trmanco | ok, but a crash isn't that bad is it? | Apr 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | McCain: Japanese Hanged For Waterboarding < http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/... >. So is it McCain's turn now? | Apr 27 16:20 |
| schestowitz | United States of Hypocrisy -- but only by the Bush regime | Apr 27 16:21 |
| trmanco | I wasted almost 30 minutes to get a usable desktop today at school :| | Apr 27 16:21 |
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| schestowitz | Conficker infected critical hospital equipment, expert says < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1... >. Hospitals should not run Windows. | Apr 27 16:22 |
| trmanco | imagine what I've could of done during those precious 30 minutes --programming | Apr 27 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Is the Government Acting Like a Payday Lender? < http://reason.com/news/show... >. Had the US stopped its military spendings ($1000bn/year) 10 years ago), it could be in decent shape financially. | Apr 27 16:23 |
| trmanco | 30 minutes just to get windows started and all the stuff I need to work with is just to much | Apr 27 16:23 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: think of terms of time's worth | Apr 27 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Unless you enjoy those 30 mins | Apr 27 16:23 |
| schestowitz | There's time like sleep whose value is different | Apr 27 16:24 |
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| trmanco | yeah, that's even worse, for big companies | Apr 27 16:24 |
| schestowitz | But if it proves to be an ordeal, why accept it? | Apr 27 16:24 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: big companies think of people like animals in a chicken coop? | Apr 27 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Deliver computer (cage space), give light (testosterone-filled 'food'), extract sweat and mear | Apr 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Some companies are more like meat markets than others | Apr 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | It's interesting how in certain companies people in the workers community wanted to take control of operation | Apr 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Like the older days in mills | Apr 27 16:25 |
| schestowitz | It's similar to what mysql founder do to Sun/oracle now | Apr 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz | They have the skills, they have the code; they can do it their own way | Apr 27 16:26 |
| trmanco | drizzle already does it it's own way | Apr 27 16:26 |
| schestowitz | GPL is a decentralising force that empowers more owners. Copyleft = leave me along, I can have copy of my own hard work | Apr 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: but Drizzle is a Sun project | Apr 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Now Oracle I presume | Apr 27 16:27 |
| trmanco | it is? | Apr 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz | MariaDB | Apr 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz | And 2 more | Apr 27 16:27 |
| trmanco | it's a mysql fork | Apr 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I think it's more like a light branch | Apr 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz | That's what they made it for anyway | Apr 27 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Troubling Court Ruling: Company Not Allowed To Resell Radar Detectors Online < http://www.techdirt.com/articles/... > | Apr 27 16:28 |
| trmanco | yeah something like that | Apr 27 16:28 |
| schestowitz | More corruption in Europe at the moment. It's about MAFIAA, not artists. http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04... (EU Parliament passes copyright term extension, rejects proposal to give the addition funds to artists) | Apr 27 16:28 |
| schestowitz | EU votes for longer music copyright < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04... > This is a travesy. Now they have 20 years to let another generation grow and fool the next one (90 years? | Apr 27 16:30 |
| schestowitz | The 8,000 Year Copyright? < http://www.techdirt.com/articles/2... >. The zombieright | Apr 27 16:31 |
| schestowitz | You own your work even after insects devour you | Apr 27 16:31 |
| schestowitz | NAB gets five more to oppose tax < http://www.rbr.com/radio... > | Apr 27 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Slightly older corruption: Pirate Bay judge's links to copyright lobby exposed < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news... > | Apr 27 16:35 |
| schestowitz | RIAA appoints crooked judges too | Apr 27 16:35 |
| schestowitz | Time to wrap a giant diaper around the crotch of the Statue of Liberty. She's taking a piss at justice a couple of centuries later | Apr 27 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Security hole compromises OAuth providers < http://www.heise.de/english/newstic... > | Apr 27 16:38 |
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| trmanco | XP SP3 Doesn't Play Nice with Heavy I/O Operations on NTFS Volumes: http://news.softpedia.com/news/XP-SP... | Apr 27 16:46 |
| schestowitz | Another semi-criminal company goes circling down the toilet: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8349 "Medialink Worldwide, the largest producer of fake news products such as video news releases (VNRs) and audio news releases (ANRs), has reported that on April 20 it was notified by the Nasdaq Stock Market that shareholder equity in the company at the end of December 2008 was only $2,181,000 when the minimum requirement for listing on the s | Apr 27 16:47 |
| schestowitz | change was $2,500,000." | Apr 27 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of NTFS, I've just come across this one about btrfs: http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/2009/... | Apr 27 16:48 |
| trmanco | http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-... | Apr 27 16:49 |
| trmanco | corruption is winning | Apr 27 16:49 |
| schestowitz | "Researchers studying tobacco documents have found that liquor companies are terrified of going down the same route as the tobacco industry." http://www.prwatch.org/node/8348 It would be very interesting if alcoholic drinks are required to have "harms your liver" notices | Apr 27 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks for the TPB link | Apr 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz | One thing we can do is spread links to people about RIAA-free zones and torrents that are not RIAA-affected | Apr 27 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Dry their business out the legit way | Apr 27 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Another issue is educating people are labels and have them 'publish' the artists who go there by not touching their output, Then, artists will ditch the lavels | Apr 27 16:52 |
| schestowitz | *labels | Apr 27 16:52 |
| schestowitz | /are/about/ | Apr 27 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | [mysqlBased on the headline this seemed like a troll article, but is makes valid points: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... | Apr 27 16:55 |
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| schestowitz | Watch our civil liberties pulling away: http://www.theregister.co.uk/200... (UK.gov to spend €£2bn on ISP tracking) | Apr 27 16:58 |
| schestowitz | UK government candidacy: give Brits' medical data to an American company with a lockin model: http://www.theregister.co.uk/20... | Apr 27 16:59 |
| schestowitz | More Android (Linux) handsets arriving: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/0... | Apr 27 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Another dead product/service at Microsoft Corp.: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/... | Apr 27 17:01 |
| schestowitz | The Inquirer is still dying. Publication rate is down by about 50%. | Apr 27 17:05 |
| trmanco | Microsoft ditches Live Search product upload tool: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/27/micr... | Apr 27 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Hulu only streams this in the US :-( : the brilliance of Colbert; the corruption of Congress < http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/04/t... > | Apr 27 17:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, posted a moment ago | Apr 27 17:09 |
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| trmanco | ok | Apr 27 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I will write about it in BN later ;-) | Apr 27 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I enjoy it when services at MS just die | Apr 27 17:09 |
| schestowitz | For years I've watch them just announce and announce | Apr 27 17:09 |
| schestowitz | (and running very low on cash) | Apr 27 17:09 |
| schestowitz | When Microsoft gives up on Zune and surrenders Mac fans will rejoice in public | Apr 27 17:10 |
| schestowitz | "A disc that can store 500 gigabytes (GB) of data, equivalent to 100 DVDs, has been unveiled by General Electric." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h... | Apr 27 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Trolls have been infesting BN in recent days... the usual suspects, but not as many as last year | Apr 27 17:13 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/27/the... | Apr 27 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Cell Phones and Hostage Situations < http://www.schneier.com/blog/arch... > | Apr 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Schneier has seemed suspicious to some, recenmtly esp. | Apr 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz | He also works with BT | Apr 27 17:14 |
| schestowitz | They deploy Phorm/Websense, which is illegal spyware | Apr 27 17:15 |
| schestowitz | The EU took legal action | Apr 27 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Government(ish) vs government. | Apr 27 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Surveillance on the Web, essentially. | Apr 27 17:15 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what exactly he does at Bt for $20mil/year, IIRC | Apr 27 17:15 |
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| schestowitz | Sent to me some hours ago re: Schneier: "assimilated [...] Haven't had to make that accusation yet. Though he is taking an inexcusably soft position on the software... Fedora or Ubuntu work out of the box for 99% of users' needs. A competent IT dept (should there be one left) can over time fill out the rest." | Apr 27 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I doubt Schneier shills. | Apr 27 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | Now Conficker attacks again, proving Schneier wrong. | Apr 27 17:17 |
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| schestowitz | "I kind of figured at the time that the hype was the result of a feight. It's happened that way before: hype, wait for the overreaction to die down and then hit." | Apr 27 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Two more enthusiastic new reviews of Ubuntu 9.04: http://www.gaj-it.com/9360/quick-look-at... http://blogs.techrepublic.com... Mandriva will be out shortly, as well | Apr 27 17:22 |
| schestowitz | OpenOffice.org is growing more agile and 3.1 is near: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/... | Apr 27 17:25 |
| schestowitz | sjvn is calling Vista7 "Vista Lite" (well, you can put a pig on a diet, but it's still a DRMd pig) http://www.computerworld.com/action/... | Apr 27 17:27 |
| schestowitz | wayne from fsckin.com Quit writing? | Apr 27 17:31 |
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| schestowitz | What Oracle gets with MySQL < http://news.cnet.com/openroad/?t... > "In MySQL, Oracle bought much more than open-source street credibility. " | Apr 27 17:32 |
| schestowitz | I doubt Oracle needs FOSS much. It just used it as a platform for the most part. | Apr 27 17:33 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: MySQL is yet another example of how legacy software can still have momentum with the right marketing pitch towards business heads and not the actual IT or programers that use it | Apr 27 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 27 17:35 |
| schestowitz | I use mysql extensively | Apr 27 17:35 |
| schestowitz | It never betrays me | Apr 27 17:35 |
| schestowitz | But I never used a commerical DB as admin | Apr 27 17:35 |
| schestowitz | So I lack basis for comparison when it comes to tools available like profiling. | Apr 27 17:35 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: its just I chatted with other's that claim that MySQL has a lot of redundancies in its programming grammar that it shouldn't need. | Apr 27 17:37 |
| schestowitz | I used Oracle many years ago, but at prompt level only | Apr 27 17:37 |
| schestowitz | sigfile: are you in touch with the project | Apr 27 17:37 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: isn't a lot of Oracle software programmed in Java? | Apr 27 17:37 |
| schestowitz | The marketing VP spoke to OStatic | Apr 27 17:37 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: nope | Apr 27 17:37 |
| schestowitz | And mysql said something to Microsoft Shrill Gavin Clarke, or maybe he just wrote about it | Apr 27 17:38 |
| schestowitz | sigfile: yes, oralce uses Java | Apr 27 17:38 |
| schestowitz | What is SleepyCat built on? | Apr 27 17:38 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: sorry but you are asking the wrong guy :P | Apr 27 17:38 |
| schestowitz | 6bn for Java is too much | Apr 27 17:39 |
| schestowitz | They don't need to 'buy' "open source cred", either | Apr 27 17:39 |
| schestowitz | They have more control over Web-oriented rival now | Apr 27 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Ramp for selling upgrades to closed DBs | Apr 27 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Here's an option | Apr 27 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Digg uses mysql | Apr 27 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Like many other sites | Apr 27 17:40 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: I didn't know that | Apr 27 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Rather than offer mysql services for scaling Oracle could try to pass them to pricey blobs | Apr 27 17:40 |
| schestowitz | "smoothly" | Apr 27 17:40 |
| schestowitz | More and more sites that grow use mysql | Apr 27 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Low-hanging fruit for Oracle | Apr 27 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Versus Sun/mysql, even MS | Apr 27 17:40 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: perhaps, but wouldn't that just permit cheaper or other free open source competition more headroom? | Apr 27 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Although MS is a lost cause | Apr 27 17:41 |
| schestowitz | very few sites use IIS/.NET | Apr 27 17:41 |
| schestowitz | And MS declines on the Web. | Apr 27 17:41 |
| schestowitz | sigfile: more headroom heading to expensive offer | Apr 27 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Like the 'free' (gratis) Oracle offerings | Apr 27 17:41 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: I thought MySQL's appeal was the fact that a large company that official technically supports it is behind it? | Apr 27 17:41 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: even though I chatted with some which said if you tried to get MySQL tech support through Sun you would get in touch with some person in IT who happened to be an admin that just new as much about the language as anyone using it from the client side | Apr 27 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 27 17:43 |
| schestowitz | But there's a downside too | Apr 27 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Oracle will want money for it | Apr 27 17:43 |
| schestowitz | MySQL makes less money than Oracle's wares | Apr 27 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Services vs acquisition | Apr 27 17:43 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: true but MySQL can be used as a gateway drug to Oracle's other more expensive services | Apr 27 17:43 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: its like how HP basically gives away printers knowing that most people would opt to pay hand over fist for new printer cartridges instead of filling their own | Apr 27 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 27 17:45 |
| schestowitz | That's not freedom though | Apr 27 17:45 |
| schestowitz | It depends really | Apr 27 17:45 |
| schestowitz | How will Oracle extract money? | Apr 27 17:45 |
| schestowitz | No tarballs? | Apr 27 17:45 |
| schestowitz | No RPMs? | Apr 27 17:45 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: well, its freedom until a business wants "official" support | Apr 27 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Extensions? | Apr 27 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Services? | Apr 27 17:46 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: basically services | Apr 27 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Migrations to their blobs? | Apr 27 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Services are fine | Apr 27 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Depends what type also | Apr 27 17:46 |
| schestowitz | MySQL can break down sometimes | Apr 27 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Or it might not scale well | Apr 27 17:46 |
| schestowitz | It's free to spread around | Apr 27 17:46 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: maybe they will cap MySQL's capability, but then the problem is some disgruntled developer will create a more capability yet simplified offshoot | Apr 27 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Then you have people coming to the door knocking and offering cash for assistance | Apr 27 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Like singers+concerts as a business model | Apr 27 17:47 |
| schestowitz | You buy a guarantee to come to a concert and pay nothing for the music downloads | Apr 27 17:47 |
| schestowitz | "No Doubt" tries this IIRC | Apr 27 17:47 |
| schestowitz | sigfile: I spoke to Mickos at the time | Apr 27 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I argues against extensions | Apr 27 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I think he's with Monty now | Apr 27 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Planning an escape route | Apr 27 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Kaj is still there in Sun AFAIK | Apr 27 17:48 |
| schestowitz | He too was in the conversation | Apr 27 17:49 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: but if it was just about the cost PostreSQL, Shinx and others would have gained more users by now | Apr 27 17:49 |
| schestowitz | It came after I had warned WordPress in the main mailing list that supporting more database is advised. Then Sun's VP mailed me | Apr 27 17:49 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: Sphinx I meant | Apr 27 17:50 |
| schestowitz | sigfile: they have no massibe brand name | Apr 27 17:50 |
| schestowitz | I never installed postgres | Apr 27 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Lots of CMSs support just mysql as welll | Apr 27 17:50 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: exactly and when it comes to most major websites or any businesses establishing a website for that matter it is executives who call the shots and the IT folk who just have to be able to use whatever they choose | Apr 27 17:50 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: those execs want a service that is official and to which they can call another person in a suite and tie in case for accountability reasons in case a problem arrises. | Apr 27 17:51 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: then again I am not sure how Digg got to using that language except for its popularity | Apr 27 17:51 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: I think its also about reaching a standard because many businesses are under the impression that it is better to hire programmers specialized in one particular field | Apr 27 17:53 |
| sigfile | sort of an assembly line logic | Apr 27 17:54 |
| schestowitz | yes, accountability | Apr 27 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Do they get that from Oracle? | Apr 27 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I think it's more to do with long-term existence | Apr 27 17:54 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: probably more so then what I have heard about Sun Micro lol | Apr 27 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Although even with Solaris, who knows now... | Apr 27 17:55 |
| schestowitz | sigfile: Digg+language? mysql is a DB. | Apr 27 17:55 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: it seemed as though Sun just wanted to unload all their support for their software onto the community and just focus on producing hardware | Apr 27 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Second Life uses mysql too | Apr 27 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the largest case of use | Apr 27 17:55 |
| schestowitz | 20k Debian servers, IIRC. maybe 2000 | Apr 27 17:56 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: but now that may change since Sun is no longer ran by former hardware engineers | Apr 27 17:56 |
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| schestowitz | hehe: http://teddziuba.com/2009/04... | Apr 27 17:58 |
| schestowitz | sigfile: there's no Sun now | Apr 27 17:59 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: I don't if its just me but Sun Microsystems made many of the same mistakes Commodore Business Machines did | Apr 27 17:59 |
| schestowitz | The management will be Ellison&Groupies | Apr 27 17:59 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: there is still in product name | Apr 27 17:59 |
| schestowitz | He has two people fighting for inheritence of his seat | Apr 27 17:59 |
| schestowitz | yes, VPs and stuff | Apr 27 18:00 |
| schestowitz | I wonder what Phipps new title will be. | Apr 27 18:00 |
| schestowitz | There's another annoying one in a line in flame blogs against Linux: http://ubuntusyndrome.wordpress.com/200... | Apr 27 18:01 |
| schestowitz | http://doctormo.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/... "Instead of complaining why don’t you use the features available to you and change it to one of the many different themes. Dumbass." | Apr 27 18:03 |
| schestowitz | ext4 pervades: Migrating to ext4 < http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2009/04/2... > | Apr 27 18:06 |
| schestowitz | EST not only promotes "open source" and slams RMS but now he attacks the GPL: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=928 | Apr 27 18:10 |
| schestowitz | *ESR | Apr 27 18:10 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: nice article, do you agree with its assessment on the current situation with GPL/GNU? | Apr 27 18:18 |
| schestowitz | http://beranger.org/v3/wordpress/... "This is not necessarily “breaking”, nor entirely “news”. Nevertheless, fact is that I am satisfied with Ubuntu 9.04 on my Acer TravelMate 5310, and I don’t plan to switch away from it in the foreseeable future." | Apr 27 18:24 |
| schestowitz | sigfile: I haven't read it yet | Apr 27 18:24 |
| schestowitz | I won't cite ESR, either | Apr 27 18:24 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: I think GPL/GNU vs BSD/Apache/MIT is up to the developer/s to decide how they want to distribute their software | Apr 27 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Beranger is back with us! :-) :-) | Apr 27 18:25 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: did you see Beranger's post? | Apr 27 18:25 |
| schestowitz | sigfile: yes, up to developers, for sure | Apr 27 18:26 |
| sigfile | schestowitz: you think there is anything sinister behind the whole anti-Ubuntu push? | Apr 27 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Apr 27 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Just jealousy | Apr 27 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Others say Microsoft might cause this | Apr 27 18:31 |
| schestowitz | But distro wars are old news. It's anti-Linux (not anti-Ubuntu) that becomes problematic | Apr 27 18:31 |
| schestowitz | brb shower | Apr 27 18:32 |
| sigfile | k | Apr 27 18:32 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's worst third quarter ever http://blogs.computerworld.com/micro... | Apr 27 18:48 |
| schestowitz | It dawned upon me that Novell is becoming a huge liability if it turns Linux into another ReactOS(ish) | Apr 27 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Here is a USian reviewer who dismisses an Australian review of Ubuntu because it's not USian http://www.usnews.com/blogs/daves-do... "Now, the reviewer originally wrote the piece for the Australian version of ZDNet, and Linux has seemed more popular outside the United States. Maybe we have to take the initial impressions with a grain of Outback salt." | Apr 27 19:08 |
| schestowitz | "IBM convinced 62 CIOs to rip and replace Unix systems in the quarter, and that Linux MIPS were up more than 50%." http://www.informationweek.com/blog/m... | Apr 27 19:09 |
| schestowitz | The Inquirer used to do about 30 stories/day, now it's about 15. Register kept old pace, but it has gone bad. | Apr 27 19:11 |
| tessier_ | Linux MIPS? | Apr 27 19:12 |
| tessier_ | As in Linux on MIPS cpus? | Apr 27 19:12 |
| tessier_ | Interesting that IBM is still pushing Power. | Apr 27 19:13 |
| tessier_ | That is one of the few alternative CPU's going and pretty much the only other high-end CPU. | Apr 27 19:13 |
| tessier_ | If it weren't for IBM's brand and the engineering they put into every box it would be hard to justify the cost of a low volume cpu. | Apr 27 19:14 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, it's weird, isn't it? MIPS+IBM | Apr 27 19:16 |
| tessier_ | http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/sto... | Apr 27 19:16 |
| tessier_ | People are still shaky over 9/11 | Apr 27 19:16 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: I thought MIPS was pretty much dead. Glad to see that it isn't. | Apr 27 19:16 |
| Balrog | MIPS is widely used in embedded systems | Apr 27 19:17 |
| Balrog | just like Motorola 68K | Apr 27 19:17 |
| Balrog | it was well-known in pre-1995 macs, now it's only used in embedded systems | Apr 27 19:17 |
| trmanco | I'm having some weird interferences here, I can tell because my speaker are making some kind of a scratching sound from time to time | Apr 27 19:19 |
| schestowitz | tessier: it isn't particularly interesting, I think | Apr 27 19:19 |
| trmanco | did the LHC go live? | Apr 27 19:19 |
| trmanco | :-p | Apr 27 19:19 |
| schestowitz | tessier: let the 9/11 conspiracy people talk. | Apr 27 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Just met one at the gym | Apr 27 19:19 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: I'm not talking about conspiracy people. I'm talking about ordinary people who don't want to be caught in a building when a plane hits it | Apr 27 19:20 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Scumron Collider is still down | Apr 27 19:20 |
| schestowitz | tessier: well, many crashes... | Apr 27 19:21 |
| trmanco | why the word "Scumron"? | Apr 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Plane tickets gone cheap | Apr 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I heard from a friend he got a ticket to Orlando for 150 quid | Apr 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Used to be about 70 quid | Apr 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | The airlines go out of business | Apr 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | No more price fixing = cheaper maintenance | Apr 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | =High failures rates | Apr 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | There were lots of crashes in recent months. | Apr 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | 3 I can think of | Apr 27 19:21 |
| schestowitz | And they still have their dynamic pricing scheme bagging to increase use and put enthusiastic travelers at the back of the plane first because it's shaky. | Apr 27 19:22 |
| schestowitz | All these plans for 'plane of the future' should be put on ice now | Apr 27 19:22 |
| tessier_ | The airlines are in a tough spot. | Apr 27 19:23 |
| schestowitz | There are more planes than people require even if flights go cheap | Apr 27 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Later this year when more airliners go bust you'll be able to pick up 747s ont he chea | Apr 27 19:23 |
| schestowitz | *the cheap | Apr 27 19:23 |
| schestowitz | tessier: this lowers service quality | Apr 27 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Not flight attendant service but engineers who service planes and replace old parts | Apr 27 19:23 |
| tessier_ | Although the economics of running an airline has nothing to do with the link I posted and the fact that people are still afraid. | Apr 27 19:24 |
| schestowitz | tessier: some of them probably think the government takes planes down :-) | Apr 27 19:24 |
| tessier_ | Conspiracy theories also have nothing to do with the link. | Apr 27 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Android/ARM gets people talking: http://www.itwire.com/content... | Apr 27 19:25 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I know | Apr 27 19:25 |
| schestowitz | But they will use it | Apr 27 19:25 |
| tessier_ | It costs me $100/hr just to fly a 172 and $200/hr to fly a Duchess. Airline tickets are cheaper than ever. | Apr 27 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Adding it to their journal of 'evidence' | Apr 27 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Planes are big polluters, tessier | Apr 27 19:27 |
| schestowitz | I reckon you at least take the wife and friends while you're at it | Apr 27 19:27 |
| tessier_ | Yes, they are. Going fast takes fuel. | Apr 27 19:27 |
| tessier_ | I try to as that makes the expense more manageable. | Apr 27 19:27 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: which beranger's post | Apr 27 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Not just fast. High too. Well, keeping the air beneath the wings anyway | Apr 27 19:27 |
| PetoKraus | that he's back to ubuntu? | Apr 27 19:27 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: yes | Apr 27 19:27 |
| schestowitz | He said he'd never come back to GNU | Apr 27 19:28 |
| PetoKraus | doesnt surprise _me_ | Apr 27 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I told you he would | Apr 27 19:28 |
| tessier_ | They could be a lot more efficient but there are a ton safet regulations which prevent them from adopting the latest technologies. | Apr 27 19:28 |