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IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: October 10th, 2008 – Part 1

Posted in IRC Logs at 2:01 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz NOVL: 4.41 -0.20 (-4.34%) Oct 10 00:00
schestowitz MSFT: 22.35 -0.66 (-2.87%)   — just about lowest in about a decade, despite the massive buybacks since 2006. Oct 10 00:01
schestowitz Yes, almost lowest since October 1998, according to the graphs at Google and now approaching debt. Oct 10 00:03
schestowitz 750,000 lost jobs? The dodgy digits behind the war on piracy : http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/do… Oct 10 00:07
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jose schestowitz, I just wanted to undo some of what I said yesterday. I don’t want to scare anyone that might have read. short term i don’t think this is a good time to dump stocks. i would think we are at a rebound point for now.. short term. long term who knows. Oct 10 01:12
jose that was off topic but i wanted to clear my conscience from yesterdays blabbering Oct 10 01:13
jose hopefully i’m not making things worse now.. it’s horrible writing about stocks. consider this a canceling of what I have said in terms of implying anything. Oct 10 01:14
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yuhong This Apple patent took 9 years to be granted Oct 10 03:09
yuhong xxhttp://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-… Oct 10 03:09
yuhong http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P… Oct 10 03:09
yuhong http://www.macnn.com/articles/08/10/08/appl… Oct 10 03:10
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MinceR hay Oct 10 08:11
kentma Hi Oct 10 08:11
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schestowitz It’s Mandriva’s big day and in Digg there are so many dupes that the release won’t make FP. These sites are failing because of dispersion of votes and Kevin Rose now admits fanbois rule there. Oct 10 09:39
kentma dupes? Oct 10 09:45
schestowitz Duplicates Oct 10 09:45
schestowitz Like 10 announcements of the release, but none that accumulates enough votes. Oct 10 09:46
MinceR the typical digg user (apple fanboy) wouldn’t care about mandriva anyway Oct 10 09:46
kentma ah, is there no way of merging the items? Oct 10 09:46
kentma daft question – obviously lthere isn’t. Oct 10 09:46
schestowitz kentma: it was proposed before. Oct 10 09:47
schestowitz Digg is broken. Oct 10 09:47
schestowitz Comment on “Microsoft files notice in WaMu bankruptcy”: “Wow, way to look like a vulture, Microsoft. What’s next, kicking puppies and beating up girl scouts?”       http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/… Oct 10 09:48
schestowitz Micron to cut 2,850 jobs, slash NAND flash biz : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/09/micro… Oct 10 09:48
schestowitz Falling back to Planet Earth, after extravagant valuations. Those who warned about it years ago got shunned like Galileo Galilei < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei >. The same goes for opposers of the ‘War’ in Iraq.  They got no place in papers. Oct 10 09:52
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schestowitz http://www.robweir.com/blog/2008/10/wheres-rob.html “Microsoft’s representation has swelled so it now comprises 20-50% of any given meeting. And that does not count those additional “independent” companies and contractors that are employed by Microsoft to create OOXML convertors or to consult with on OOXML matters….I think you’ll find no other case in SC34 attendance records of a single company sending more than a single represen Oct 10 10:20
schestowitz tative. Everyone else in the world sends one person. IBM once sent two people. Microsoft sends ten or a dozen….Alex, of course, misses all this. Sitting in a room full of non-technical Microsoft employees, the only unusual thing worth mentioning is my unclaimed badge. Good job as always, Inspector Clouseau!” Oct 10 10:20
schestowitz This one seems like a suspicious attack on Google < http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci… >, but he also wrote “Microsoft suffers as its CEO dithers – San Jose Mercury News” Oct 10 10:30
schestowitz http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/07/30/10-fas-8… (10 FAS: 8 – San Jose Mercury News’ False Apple Scandal) Oct 10 10:31
schestowitz “In early 2006, newspaper giant Knight Ridder–then the parent company of the Mercury News–was acquired by the McClatchy Company. McClatchy subsequently announced it wanted to sell off the San Jose paper.” Oct 10 10:32
schestowitz “The Denver-based MediaNews Group, regarded as a low quality newspaper chain for its practice of buying up small city papers and running them with shared staff on the cheap, decided to buy the Mercury News, and took a multimillion dollar loan from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to complete the deal last fall.” Oct 10 10:32
schestowitz “Apple’s corporate proximity to San Jose is therefore trumped by the Mercury News’ need to publish low cost, highly sensational news to make enough money to pay back Bill Gates for the favor of his humanitarian loan.” Oct 10 10:32
schestowitz “After all, who needs competent, local journalists when there are wire service articles that can be reprinted? What exactly was Bill Gates’ foundation preserving: the print medium sans journalism? A market for the Arial font?” Oct 10 10:33
schestowitz Watch the comment at the bottom. He got the publication nervous. Oct 10 10:36
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schestowitz http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/10/08/rhat_analyst_day/ “Disclosure: Red Hat is a RedMonk customer, as is Microsoft.” Oct 10 11:26
schestowitz Microsoft still throws its money everywhere, so there won’t be much Microsoft criticism. Oct 10 11:27
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schestowitz http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/1… Oct 10 11:53
schestowitz “First, create a nebulous threat to the nation; call it something grand like, oh, “war on terror”. Pass a set of wide-reaching laws that let you do anything to “fight” it. Then, redefine anyone who opposes you as a “terrorist” (after all, you are in favour of the “war on terror”; they are against you; therefore, they are against the “war on terror”, and thus against the country). Apply previously created laws to the hilt.” Oct 10 11:53
PetoKraus heh the comment is awesome Oct 10 12:00
PetoKraus “would another ww solve the credit crunch?” Oct 10 12:00
schestowitz http://www.idealgovernment.com/index.php/blog/… “I can confirm the disk was not encrypted. We have not[h]ing to hide from whoever stole it, and therefore nothing to fear.” Oct 10 12:03
schestowitz Wait Oct 10 12:03
schestowitz Watch this, PetoKraus: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10… Oct 10 12:03
schestowitz Watch the video too. Web 2.0 BS is Dead, Long Live Free Software! RMS shall inherit the place of O’Reilly cronies. :-) Oct 10 12:04
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schestowitz Now much work done in Nürnberg today.. http://news.opensuse.org/2008/10/10/power-outage-… Oct 10 12:20
schestowitz http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/9/415 “but most important is obviously to just test it. Especially if you’ve been a bad boy (or girl) and haven’t been testing the -rc’s. “ Oct 10 12:25
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schestowitz Wall Street stll down today Oct 10 14:08
schestowitz OMG Oct 10 14:08
schestowitz MSFT21.77-0.53-2.38% Oct 10 14:08
schestowitz MSFT21.57-0.73-3.27% Oct 10 14:14
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_Doug .Mithras proposes that Microsoft buy Yahoo .. Oct 10 16:05
_Doug http://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/mithras-cap… Oct 10 16:05
schestowitz ISO just died. Oct 10 16:07
schestowitz http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc34/open/1106.htm Oct 10 16:07
schestowitz Microsoft to elect Microsoft, anyone? Oct 10 16:07
schestowitz _Doug: Well, I propose that Microsoft does not buy Yahoo. Let’s call it even and forget it then. ;-) Oct 10 16:08
_Doug IISO is dead, how so ? Oct 10 16:09
schestowitz When people realise that Microsoft ‘owns’ it, they’ll treat it appropriately — as a group of Microsoft cronies. Oct 10 16:09
schestowitz The committees in ISO that handle the Microsoft stuff at the moment are occupied by Microsoft and its cronies. Oct 10 16:10
schestowitz The rest ran away or got pressured out for all I can gather. Oct 10 16:10
schestowitz You ought to alert GL about this one: http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc34/open/1106.htm Oct 10 16:10
PetoKraus hmm Oct 10 16:16
_Doug http://news.yahoo.com/comics/081003/cx_dilb… Oct 10 16:21
*schestowitz looks Oct 10 16:22
_Doug What happened to the BOSS at Ubersoft ? Oct 10 16:24
_Doug http://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2008/08/… Oct 10 16:24
_Doug http://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2008/08/sugge… Oct 10 16:25
_Doug :) Oct 10 16:25
schestowitz MSFT21.21-1.09-4.89% Oct 10 16:28
schestowitz Not far from its teens now. Despite $40,000,000,000 worth of buybacks and a debt on the way there. Oct 10 16:28
schestowitz MSFT21.12-1.18-5.29% Oct 10 16:29
_Doug -5.29%, not good … Oct 10 16:30
schestowitz Easlier on it fell below $21: MSFT21.21-1.09-4.89% Oct 10 16:30
schestowitz http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MSFT Oct 10 16:30
schestowitz See graph (1 day) Oct 10 16:30
_Doug The ‘r’ word is still on the horizion Oct 10 16:31
_Doug That illustrates the whole economy .. Oct 10 16:32
schestowitz ‘d’ word is alreasdy used. Oct 10 16:35
_Doug http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=O… Oct 10 16:36
_Doug Good Grief, something is happening !!! Oct 10 16:36
schestowitz Next come the ‘w’ word (hint: something on terrorism) Oct 10 16:36
PetoKraus weasels! Oct 10 16:37
_Doug you mean distract us with bogus issues ? Oct 10 16:37
schestowitz No. United us… under the Army. Oct 10 16:38
_Doug http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=IBM Oct 10 16:38
schestowitz *Unite Oct 10 16:38
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_Doug Now would be a good time to by, if you had any money :) Oct 10 16:38
PetoKraus hmm, msft fails Oct 10 16:38
schestowitz Heh. Oct 10 16:39
schestowitz My cousin just wrote: “Sadly, I feel Obama’s is on a roll because the Republican (McCain/Palin) team is an abominable choice. Frankly, they should put vomit bags in the voting booths this year, because our choices are so bad.” Oct 10 16:39
PetoKraus trading at 21.19 Oct 10 16:39
PetoKraus sucks to have shares Oct 10 16:40
_Doug It’s desktop monopoly *is* worth something Oct 10 16:40
schestowitz “All politicians have skeletons in their closets. The best example of an oxymoron is “an honest politician.” There is no such thing. But some transgressions are worse than others and Obama is a major transgressor.” Oct 10 16:40
schestowitz _Doug: no, Office. Oct 10 16:40
_Doug “Wall Street stocks were highly volatile in a dizzying session that saw the Dow fall more than 600 points before” Oct 10 16:40
schestowitz Windows doesn’t make as much money Oct 10 16:40
_Doug http://www.ft.com/home/uk Oct 10 16:41
schestowitz Office is profitable. Microsoft has many products, few of which are profitable. Microsoft’s problem is that its few profitable products become easily replaceable by FOSS or SaaS.Why do you think they corrupted ISO (and the entire world) like nobody’s business? Oct 10 16:41
_Doug schadenfreude .. anyone … Oct 10 16:41
schestowitz “A WARNING was issued yesterday by the Federal Trade Commission advising people of fake emails tied to recent bank mergers.” < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news… > Oct 10 16:42
PetoKraus what’s saas, apart from studying awards agency of scotland? Oct 10 16:42
schestowitz Software as a ‘service’ Oct 10 16:42
PetoKraus aha Oct 10 16:42
PetoKraus man, i got nice laugh yesterday Oct 10 16:43
schestowitz Meaning you toss your personal data on someone else’s PC Oct 10 16:43
_Doug Software as a service .. renting software … Oct 10 16:43
schestowitz Not so smart, but it’s good for backup and mobility sometimes. Also cenralised upgrades and servicing. Oct 10 16:43
schestowitz Exactly, _Doug Oct 10 16:43
PetoKraus three communists standing in front of the student union, with “Social Worker” newspapers with 4 inch headline – Capitalism doesn’t work. Well, of course it doesn’t work, when it’s done by communists^W labor government! Oct 10 16:43
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_Doug I’d like service as a service, instead of spending 2 hours onto a call center in Scotland Oct 10 16:44
PetoKraus whoopsie Oct 10 16:44
_Doug to sort out my bills Oct 10 16:44
_Doug I do *their* accounting for them, for free !!! Oct 10 16:44
schestowitz Bill’s tax-evading  accomplice is now richer: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008… Oct 10 16:44
PetoKraus right, see you later, guys Oct 10 16:45
schestowitz Cya Oct 10 16:46
_Doug US House leaders are praying …. Oct 10 16:46
_Doug http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e573cc5a-90c4-11dd-… Oct 10 16:46
schestowitz Let’s check some Microsoft headlines. This should be fun. I’ll report as I go along in case the Microsoft Jacks of the world stand out. Oct 10 16:46
schestowitz _Doug: Jesusland? Oct 10 16:46
_Doug quick, sacrafice a chicken Oct 10 16:47
schestowitz Tell them they pray 50 years later…:-| Oct 10 16:47
schestowitz All that time amassing a debt of over $1000 BILLIOB Oct 10 16:47
schestowitz Oops. Oct 10 16:47
schestowitz I mean, $10,000 billion+ Oct 10 16:48
_Doug I’m putting my money in rocks, the ones those south seas islanders use for currency .. :) Oct 10 16:50
_Doug “I for one respect Mr. Gates. Not only does Microsoft tax the stupid people, if it’s software would work as it should, I’d be out of my job. Thank you Microsoft!” Oct 10 16:50
_Doug quote from ‘bill-gates-bumped-top-spot’ Oct 10 16:51
_Doug I recently charged someone £20, to recover photos from a laptop. Oct 10 16:52
PetoKraus well Oct 10 16:52
PetoKraus we do that all the time… data recovery is £40 Oct 10 16:52
PetoKraus though, you get a caddy for your hdd Oct 10 16:52
PetoKraus :P Oct 10 16:52
_Doug Did it as a favor .. normally work for £100 an hour .. Oct 10 16:52
_Doug She gave me 15 and dissapeared .. Oct 10 16:52
_Doug the b***h Oct 10 16:52
PetoKraus :) Oct 10 16:53
PetoKraus if only she gave you and disappeared Oct 10 16:53
_Doug point is, I usually end up working for billg, for peanuts .. Oct 10 16:53
PetoKraus well, i do as well. that’s why i much rather resort to cleaning the stockroom than selling machines Oct 10 16:53
_Doug PetoKraus: haaaa … Oct 10 16:54
_Doug gtg … Oct 10 16:54
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PetoKraus same Oct 10 16:54
schestowitz Why not put GNU on that PC? Oct 10 16:55
PetoKraus i can’t. I am not the boss. Oct 10 16:55
PetoKraus though, i wanted to give freebies to people – Openoffice CD’s, for students Oct 10 16:56
schestowitz Of course not. Windows is. Watch the EULA. Oct 10 16:56
schestowitz EULA: Microsoft’s #1 innova~1 Oct 10 16:56
schestowitz They Wrote the Book^TM Oct 10 16:57
schestowitz Right Depletion 101, hardcover Oct 10 16:57
schestowitz Hard times for Microsoft. I see 5 headlines about Windows ’7′ UAC Oct 10 16:58
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schestowitz They talk about a non-existent product while claiming that they need to sell Vista. Oct 10 16:59
schestowitz “In the face of strong competition, Evangelism’s focus may shift immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon as this Final Release of version X.” http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2… …Microsoft, internal document Oct 10 16:59
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schestowitz Gosh, they have TWO vapourware items for Windows now. Oct 10 17:00
schestowitz Disappointed with 7 being the same dud as Vista? Worry not. Microsoft has Strata, AKA Midori, AKA non-existent name in the sky…  http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1622 Oct 10 17:01
schestowitz Lots of steam flying… lots of hot /vapour/ Oct 10 17:01
schestowitz As it turns out, Microsoft lied all along. It supports Blu-ray: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display… Oct 10 17:02
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schestowitz LABEL ALERT: “Anti-Microsoft” again. http://www.rocktownweekly.com/skyline_details.php?AI… “Well, wouldn’t you know it? Last time I mentioned one person being anti-Microsoft and this week I heard from several others.” Oct 10 17:18
schestowitz Being against Crime is not “anti-Microsoft” unless one assume that Microsoft *is* analogous to crime. Oct 10 17:19
schestowitz *assumes Oct 10 17:19
MinceR microsoft is criminal both morally and legally Oct 10 17:20
schestowitz http://www.webhostdir.com/news/showNew… “Microsoft unveils plans to spend $40bn (£22bn) buying back its shares from investors. This is the biggest single buy-back plan in history.” Oct 10 17:20
schestowitz It’s scary what happened to the Dow Oct 10 17:21
schestowitz It’s almost at 70xx point Oct 10 17:21
schestowitz It’s almost at 70xx points Oct 10 17:21
schestowitz Cliff: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI#ch… Oct 10 17:23
schestowitz The big question remains: to what extent does that impact FOSS developers like Debian ones? Oct 10 17:23
schestowitz Impact on regulation: “The last time the economy plunged into darkness, Microsoft broke free from the shackles of its U.S. antitrust case.” <http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/busine… > Oct 10 17:25
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schestowitz http://blogs.computerworld.com/can_mic… “So, if the VP of Windows Product Management didn’t know that Vista Capable machines were actually Vista Incapable why not the CEO? I mean this is a company where its senior management clearly doesn’t know the first thing about its own products. But, hey, you don’t have to believe me. All you have to do is believe Microsoft when it says its top leaders don’t rea Oct 10 17:27
schestowitz lly know what’s going on within the company.” Oct 10 17:27
_Doug A man ages 17 years in 2 min .. Oct 10 17:27
_Doug http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?… Oct 10 17:27
schestowitz JLA Forums mirror COLA, don’t they? Including the Munchkins’ cesspool stuff. Oct 10 17:27
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_Doug dunno .. Oct 10 17:27
schestowitz Schmidt used the word cesspool the other day Oct 10 17:28
_Doug don’t read it .. leave that up to the microsofties .. Oct 10 17:28
schestowitz He used it to describe part of the Web where trust isn’t established. Timbl has a new project to address disinformation. Oct 10 17:28
schestowitz _Doug: they’ll go somewhere else. Oct 10 17:28
schestowitz The nature of the Microsoft Munchkin is that he or she needs to spread libel and damage. The fora vary. They also apread their poison in Slashdot, Digg and other such site. Oct 10 17:29
_Doug what a way to make a living .. spreading manure across the InterTUBES .. :) Oct 10 17:31
schestowitz No announcements from Microsoft this week other than vapourware and something called XBox “experience” (sounds like selling aura). Oct 10 17:34
schestowitz Does Anyone Want Yahoo? Anyone? Bueller? — http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/10/08/do… Oct 10 17:35
schestowitz AOL-Yahoo Merger Details Emerge; Deal Could Happen This Month http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content… Oct 10 17:35
schestowitz Gartner hails its client: http://rcpmag.com/news/article.aspx?… Oct 10 17:40
schestowitz Something for Microsoft to write about in its brochures and white ‘papers’ and an invitation for Microsoft to buy some more services from Gartner in the future. Oct 10 17:41
_Doug Power Outage at openSUSE .. Oct 10 17:41
_Doug http://news.opensuse.org/ Oct 10 17:41
ModplanMan Methinks we should shoot analysts. Very few of them are any good. Oct 10 17:42
schestowitz Acquisition/deal cop Microsoft lobb^Hstrikes again: http://www.informationweek.com/news/intern… (same with DoubleClick-Google) Oct 10 17:43
schestowitz Microsoft runs the country. Oct 10 17:43
_Doug analysts are very good at predicting the past .. Oct 10 17:43
schestowitz And wishful thinking (for clients) Oct 10 17:43
schestowitz Those that are honest receive no business and die out. Oct 10 17:43
schestowitz Only those who sell out can survive. Oct 10 17:43
schestowitz Put differently, only the corru^Hranoid survive. Oct 10 17:44
schestowitz Ick. Mandriva just had a popup asking me if I want to upgrade to KDE4.1/Mand 2009. I said “no”. Oct 10 17:46
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ModplanMan why’s that? Oct 10 17:46
_Doug nag screens are the work of the devil .. :) Oct 10 17:46
schestowitz It’s not like changing shoes. I wonder how many people say yes and suddenly reboot into a totally unfamiliar (redone) DE Oct 10 17:47
_Doug delete file | press yes | no or cancel | Oct 10 17:47
schestowitz ModplanMan: the analysts? Oct 10 17:47
ModplanMan No, just the update thing. Nag screens are the work of the devils mother in law might be more accurate Oct 10 17:48
schestowitz High Rate of H-1B Visa Fraud : http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/… Oct 10 17:49
schestowitz “Microsoft Chairman and co-founder Bill Gates has twice testified in front of Congress on the issue.” Oct 10 17:49
_Doug cancel file delete | press yes | no or cancel | Oct 10 17:50
schestowitz Security updates require a popup. Anyway, it gave the tickbox for “never ask again”. Oct 10 17:50
schestowitz _Doug: try closing the window then. It’s safer. Oct 10 17:50
schestowitz or killall <window type> Oct 10 17:51
ModplanMan Hmmm, you’d think employees that are supposdely badly needed would be paid more, not less Oct 10 17:51
_Doug World Bank computer hacked .. Oct 10 17:51
_Doug http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/10… Oct 10 17:51
_Doug ot: shot for wearing Barack Obama T-shirt Oct 10 17:54
_Doug http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1070975/Man-sho… Oct 10 17:54
schestowitz ModplanMan: good point. Oct 10 17:54
schestowitz ModplanMan: pay goes by rates the candidate will /tolerate/, not what’s deserved. tessier knows this. Oct 10 17:55
ModplanMan Just goes to show how horrible pay is in general for anything IT related Oct 10 17:56
schestowitz _Doug: haven’t read it yet, but was it just the shirt that caused it? Oct 10 17:56
schestowitz It makes a good headline: “Man shot three times in street by racist gunman – for wearing Barack Obama T-shirt ” How true is it? Oct 10 17:56
ModplanMan The man who shot him seems like a general racist anyway – it seems the obama t-shirt perhaps set him over the edge Oct 10 17:57
schestowitz “The man then launched into a tirade of racist slurs, shouting ‘I f***ing hate n*****s’ and urging 36-year-old Mr Egwuatu to leave the shop with him.” Oct 10 17:57
_Doug seems so … Oct 10 17:57
schestowitz I think it has no proof that the shirt was the cause. Oct 10 17:57
schestowitz Just a different headline” Oct 10 17:57
schestowitz “White skinhead shoots black men” is just as mundane a headline as “dog bites man” Oct 10 17:58
schestowitz Oh dear: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,293… Oct 10 17:59
_Doug I got bawled out, in the street,  by this large black dude, for not stepping aside quickly enough .. Oct 10 17:59
schestowitz The problem is that the US Admin already said it was wiling to physically bomb source of cyberattack. Oct 10 17:59
_Doug He looked like a body builder, and was literally foaming at the mouth, probably on steriods .. :> Oct 10 18:00
schestowitz “Teh bank!” This is an “act of terrorism”… we must therefore “go to war” Oct 10 18:00
schestowitz They label anything they dislike “terrorism” these days. Oct 10 18:00
_Doug I didn’t argure .. Oct 10 18:00
_Doug Seems a lot of it about, street rage .. Oct 10 18:00
schestowitz Because there are catch-all laws for the term/definition/net called “terrorism” Oct 10 18:00
_Doug everybody angry all the time … Oct 10 18:01
schestowitz Foaming… *LOL* Oct 10 18:01
_Doug I do believe the terror alerts are a part of it, makes people scared and jumpy .. Oct 10 18:01
schestowitz Horses have form too and about the same levels of  hormones, I guess. I hate people on steroids. Oct 10 18:01
_Doug An old lady stopped me in the street and ran off when she heard my accent .. :] Oct 10 18:02
schestowitz A mate of mine thinks globalisation will be promotes as a ‘solution’ Oct 10 18:02
schestowitz Under the pressure/siege/panic/scare Oct 10 18:02
schestowitz *promoted Oct 10 18:02
schestowitz re: accents… only in the UK. One country, so many accents, and so many things associated with them. Oct 10 18:03
schestowitz There are lots of good videos on this in YouTube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TFez0… Oct 10 18:04
schestowitz I can’t find one that I saw before… one with a girl who’s doing like a hundred accents and does that pretty well. Oct 10 18:05
_Doug Obama for pres, I gave 7/4 on … Oct 10 18:05
_Doug I can actually talk proper, it comes from working in a call center, slow it down and vary the tone, emphasise the consonents .. Oct 10 18:06
schestowitz Speaking of the bank, there are new known flaws (4) in Microsoft s/w that enable remote hijacking. Oct 10 18:06
_Doug 7/4 for Obama .. any takers benJIman, ModplanMan ? Oct 10 18:06
schestowitz There’s a chance of liability laws coming to the UK and affecting s/w programmers. Oct 10 18:07
_Doug they’re not flaws, they are designed in to enable monitoring Oct 10 18:07
schestowitz Well, not /these/ one, methinks. Oct 10 18:07
schestowitz They have protocol loopholes, according to Achneier. Oct 10 18:08
schestowitz They have protocol loopholes, according to Schneier. Oct 10 18:08
_Doug They want it secure, but not that much secure so as it can’t be remotely compromised .. Oct 10 18:08
schestowitz There’s also the documented case of the FBI injecting viruses to people’s PCs. Oct 10 18:08
_Doug remember, we, the urban middle-classes are all potential terrorists, just ask the chief constable Oct 10 18:09
schestowitz Again: http://www.boomtown.net/en_uk/art… (Microsoft denies Blu-ray plans) Oct 10 18:10
_Doug gtg .. later tomorrow Oct 10 18:10
_Doug key an eye on Ray, will ya benJIman ;) Oct 10 18:10
schestowitz You must enter the NON-terrorist list Oct 10 18:10
*_Doug has quit () Oct 10 18:10
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