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schestowitzNOVL: 4.41 -0.20 (-4.34%) Oct 10 00:00
schestowitzMSFT: 22.35 -0.66 (-2.87%)   -- just about lowest in about a decade, despite the massive buybacks since 2006.Oct 10 00:01
schestowitzYes, almost lowest since October 1998, according to the graphs at Google and now approaching debt.Oct 10 00:03
schestowitz750,000 lost jobs? The dodgy digits behind the war on piracy : http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/do...Oct 10 00:07
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joseschestowitz, I just wanted to undo some of what I said yesterday. I don't want to scare anyone that might have read. short term i don't think this is a good time to dump stocks. i would think we are at a rebound point for now.. short term. long term who knows.Oct 10 01:12
josethat was off topic but i wanted to clear my conscience from yesterdays blabberingOct 10 01:13
josehopefully i'm not making things worse now.. it's horrible writing about stocks. consider this a canceling of what I have said in terms of implying anything.Oct 10 01:14
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yuhongThis Apple patent took 9 years to be grantedOct 10 03:09
yuhongxxhttp://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...Oct 10 03:09
yuhonghttp://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...Oct 10 03:09
yuhonghttp://www.macnn.com/articles/08/10/08/appl...Oct 10 03:10
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MinceRhayOct 10 08:11
kentmaHiOct 10 08:11
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schestowitzIt's Mandriva's big day and in Digg there are so many dupes that the release won't make FP. These sites are failing because of dispersion of votes and Kevin Rose now admits fanbois rule there.Oct 10 09:39
kentmadupes?Oct 10 09:45
schestowitzDuplicatesOct 10 09:45
schestowitzLike 10 announcements of the release, but none that accumulates enough votes.Oct 10 09:46
MinceRthe typical digg user (apple fanboy) wouldn't care about mandriva anywayOct 10 09:46
kentmaah, is there no way of merging the items?Oct 10 09:46
kentmadaft question - obviously lthere isn't.Oct 10 09:46
schestowitzkentma: it was proposed before.Oct 10 09:47
schestowitzDigg is broken.Oct 10 09:47
schestowitzComment on "Microsoft files notice in WaMu bankruptcy": "Wow, way to look like a vulture, Microsoft. What's next, kicking puppies and beating up girl scouts?"       http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/...Oct 10 09:48
schestowitzMicron to cut 2,850 jobs, slash NAND flash biz : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/09/micro...Oct 10 09:48
schestowitzFalling back to Planet Earth, after extravagant valuations. Those who warned about it years ago got shunned like Galileo Galilei < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei >. The same goes for opposers of the 'War' in Iraq.  They got no place in papers.Oct 10 09:52
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schestowitzhttp://www.robweir.com/blog/2008/10/wheres-rob.html "Microsoft's representation has swelled so it now comprises 20-50% of any given meeting. And that does not count those additional "independent" companies and contractors that are employed by Microsoft to create OOXML convertors or to consult with on OOXML matters....I think you'll find no other case in SC34 attendance records of a single company sending more than a single represenOct 10 10:20
schestowitztative. Everyone else in the world sends one person. IBM once sent two people. Microsoft sends ten or a dozen....Alex, of course, misses all this. Sitting in a room full of non-technical Microsoft employees, the only unusual thing worth mentioning is my unclaimed badge. Good job as always, Inspector Clouseau!"Oct 10 10:20
schestowitzThis one seems like a suspicious attack on Google < http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci... >, but he also wrote "Microsoft suffers as its CEO dithers - San Jose Mercury News"Oct 10 10:30
schestowitzhttp://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/07/30/10-fas-8... (10 FAS: 8 - San Jose Mercury News’ False Apple Scandal)Oct 10 10:31
schestowitz"In early 2006, newspaper giant Knight Ridder–then the parent company of the Mercury News–was acquired by the McClatchy Company. McClatchy subsequently announced it wanted to sell off the San Jose paper."Oct 10 10:32
schestowitz"The Denver-based MediaNews Group, regarded as a low quality newspaper chain for its practice of buying up small city papers and running them with shared staff on the cheap, decided to buy the Mercury News, and took a multimillion dollar loan from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to complete the deal last fall."Oct 10 10:32
schestowitz"Apple’s corporate proximity to San Jose is therefore trumped by the Mercury News’ need to publish low cost, highly sensational news to make enough money to pay back Bill Gates for the favor of his humanitarian loan."Oct 10 10:32
schestowitz"After all, who needs competent, local journalists when there are wire service articles that can be reprinted? What exactly was Bill Gates’ foundation preserving: the print medium sans journalism? A market for the Arial font?"Oct 10 10:33
schestowitzWatch the comment at the bottom. He got the publication nervous.Oct 10 10:36
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schestowitzhttp://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/10/08/rhat_analyst_day/ "Disclosure: Red Hat is a RedMonk customer, as is Microsoft."Oct 10 11:26
schestowitzMicrosoft still throws its money everywhere, so there won't be much Microsoft criticism.Oct 10 11:27
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schestowitzhttp://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/1...Oct 10 11:53
schestowitz"First, create a nebulous threat to the nation; call it something grand like, oh, "war on terror". Pass a set of wide-reaching laws that let you do anything to "fight" it. Then, redefine anyone who opposes you as a "terrorist" (after all, you are in favour of the "war on terror"; they are against you; therefore, they are against the "war on terror", and thus against the country). Apply previously created laws to the hilt."Oct 10 11:53
PetoKrausheh the comment is awesomeOct 10 12:00
PetoKraus"would another ww solve the credit crunch?"Oct 10 12:00
schestowitzhttp://www.idealgovernment.com/index.php/blog/... "I can confirm the disk was not encrypted. We have not[h]ing to hide from whoever stole it, and therefore nothing to fear."Oct 10 12:03
schestowitzWaitOct 10 12:03
schestowitzWatch this, PetoKraus: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/10...Oct 10 12:03
schestowitzWatch the video too. Web 2.0 BS is Dead, Long Live Free Software! RMS shall inherit the place of O'Reilly cronies. :-)Oct 10 12:04
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schestowitzNow much work done in Nürnberg today.. http://news.opensuse.org/2008/10/10/power-outage-...Oct 10 12:20
schestowitzhttp://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/9/415 "but most important is obviously to just test it. Especially if you've been a bad boy (or girl) and haven't been testing the -rc's. "Oct 10 12:25
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schestowitzWall Street stll down todayOct 10 14:08
schestowitzOMGOct 10 14:08
schestowitzMSFT21.77-0.53-2.38%Oct 10 14:08
schestowitzMSFT21.57-0.73-3.27%Oct 10 14:14
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MinceR(animated) http://i33.tinypic.com/2lb13zk.gifOct 10 15:12
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_Doug.Mithras proposes that Microsoft buy Yahoo ..Oct 10 16:05
_Doughttp://gigaom.com/2008/10/10/mithras-cap...Oct 10 16:05
schestowitzISO just died.Oct 10 16:07
schestowitzhttp://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc34/open/1106.htmOct 10 16:07
schestowitzMicrosoft to elect Microsoft, anyone?Oct 10 16:07
schestowitz_Doug: Well, I propose that Microsoft does not buy Yahoo. Let's call it even and forget it then. ;-)Oct 10 16:08
_DougIISO is dead, how so ?Oct 10 16:09
schestowitzWhen people realise that Microsoft 'owns' it, they'll treat it appropriately -- as a group of Microsoft cronies.Oct 10 16:09
schestowitzThe committees in ISO that handle the Microsoft stuff at the moment are occupied by Microsoft and its cronies.Oct 10 16:10
schestowitzThe rest ran away or got pressured out for all I can gather.Oct 10 16:10
schestowitzYou ought to alert GL about this one: http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc34/open/1106.htmOct 10 16:10
PetoKraushmmOct 10 16:16
_Doughttp://news.yahoo.com/comics/081003/cx_dilb...Oct 10 16:21
*schestowitz looksOct 10 16:22
_DougWhat happened to the BOSS at Ubersoft ?Oct 10 16:24
_Doughttp://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2008/08/...Oct 10 16:24
_Doughttp://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/2008/08/sugge...Oct 10 16:25
_Doug:)Oct 10 16:25
schestowitzMSFT21.21-1.09-4.89%Oct 10 16:28
schestowitzNot far from its teens now. Despite $40,000,000,000 worth of buybacks and a debt on the way there.Oct 10 16:28
schestowitzMSFT21.12-1.18-5.29%Oct 10 16:29
_Doug-5.29%, not good ...Oct 10 16:30
schestowitzEaslier on it fell below $21: MSFT21.21-1.09-4.89%Oct 10 16:30
schestowitzhttp://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MSFTOct 10 16:30
schestowitzSee graph (1 day)Oct 10 16:30
_DougThe 'r' word is still on the horizionOct 10 16:31
_DougThat illustrates the whole economy ..Oct 10 16:32
schestowitz'd' word is alreasdy used.Oct 10 16:35
_Doughttp://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=O...Oct 10 16:36
_DougGood Grief, something is happening !!!Oct 10 16:36
schestowitzNext come the 'w' word (hint: something on terrorism)Oct 10 16:36
PetoKrausweasels!Oct 10 16:37
_Dougyou mean distract us with bogus issues ?Oct 10 16:37
schestowitzNo. United us... under the Army.Oct 10 16:38
_Doughttp://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=IBMOct 10 16:38
schestowitz*UniteOct 10 16:38
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_DougNow would be a good time to by, if you had any money :)Oct 10 16:38
PetoKraushmm, msft failsOct 10 16:38
schestowitzHeh.Oct 10 16:39
schestowitzMy cousin just wrote: "Sadly, I feel Obama’s is on a roll because the Republican (McCain/Palin) team is an abominable choice. Frankly, they should put vomit bags in the voting booths this year, because our choices are so bad."Oct 10 16:39
PetoKraustrading at 21.19Oct 10 16:39
PetoKraussucks to have sharesOct 10 16:40
_DougIt's desktop monopoly *is* worth somethingOct 10 16:40
schestowitz"All politicians have skeletons in their closets. The best example of an oxymoron is “an honest politician.” There is no such thing. But some transgressions are worse than others and Obama is a major transgressor."Oct 10 16:40
schestowitz_Doug: no, Office.Oct 10 16:40
_Doug"Wall Street stocks were highly volatile in a dizzying session that saw the Dow fall more than 600 points before"Oct 10 16:40
schestowitzWindows doesn't make as much moneyOct 10 16:40
_Doughttp://www.ft.com/home/ukOct 10 16:41
schestowitzOffice is profitable. Microsoft has many products, few of which are profitable. Microsoft's problem is that its few profitable products become easily replaceable by FOSS or SaaS.Why do you think they corrupted ISO (and the entire world) like nobody's business?Oct 10 16:41
_Dougschadenfreude .. anyone ...Oct 10 16:41
schestowitz"A WARNING was issued yesterday by the Federal Trade Commission advising people of fake emails tied to recent bank mergers." < http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news... >Oct 10 16:42
PetoKrauswhat's saas, apart from studying awards agency of scotland?Oct 10 16:42
schestowitzSoftware as a 'service'Oct 10 16:42
PetoKrausahaOct 10 16:42
PetoKrausman, i got nice laugh yesterdayOct 10 16:43
schestowitzMeaning you toss your personal data on someone else's PCOct 10 16:43
_DougSoftware as a service .. renting software ...Oct 10 16:43
schestowitzNot so smart, but it's good for backup and mobility sometimes. Also cenralised upgrades and servicing.Oct 10 16:43
schestowitzExactly, _Doug Oct 10 16:43
PetoKrausthree communists standing in front of the student union, with "Social Worker" newspapers with 4 inch headline - Capitalism doesn't work. Well, of course it doesn't work, when it's done by communists^W labor government!Oct 10 16:43
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_DougI'd like service as a service, instead of spending 2 hours onto a call center in ScotlandOct 10 16:44
PetoKrauswhoopsieOct 10 16:44
_Dougto sort out my billsOct 10 16:44
_DougI do *their* accounting for them, for free !!!Oct 10 16:44
schestowitzBill's tax-evading  accomplice is now richer: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008...Oct 10 16:44
PetoKrausright, see you later, guysOct 10 16:45
schestowitzCyaOct 10 16:46
_DougUS House leaders are praying ....Oct 10 16:46
_Doughttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/e573cc5a-90c4-11dd-...Oct 10 16:46
schestowitzLet's check some Microsoft headlines. This should be fun. I'll report as I go along in case the Microsoft Jacks of the world stand out.Oct 10 16:46
schestowitz_Doug: Jesusland?Oct 10 16:46
_Dougquick, sacrafice a chickenOct 10 16:47
schestowitzTell them they pray 50 years later...:-|Oct 10 16:47
schestowitzAll that time amassing a debt of over $1000 BILLIOBOct 10 16:47
schestowitzOops.Oct 10 16:47
schestowitzI mean, $10,000 billion+Oct 10 16:48
_DougI'm putting my money in rocks, the ones those south seas islanders use for currency .. :)Oct 10 16:50
_Doug"I for one respect Mr. Gates. Not only does Microsoft tax the stupid people, if it's software would work as it should, I'd be out of my job. Thank you Microsoft!"Oct 10 16:50
_Dougquote from 'bill-gates-bumped-top-spot'Oct 10 16:51
_DougI recently charged someone €£20, to recover photos from a laptop.Oct 10 16:52
PetoKrauswellOct 10 16:52
PetoKrauswe do that all the time... data recovery is €£40Oct 10 16:52
PetoKrausthough, you get a caddy for your hddOct 10 16:52
PetoKraus:POct 10 16:52
_DougDid it as a favor .. normally work for €£100 an hour ..Oct 10 16:52
_DougShe gave me 15 and dissapeared ..Oct 10 16:52
_Dougthe b***hOct 10 16:52
PetoKraus:)Oct 10 16:53
PetoKrausif only she gave you and disappearedOct 10 16:53
_Dougpoint is, I usually end up working for billg, for peanuts ..Oct 10 16:53
PetoKrauswell, i do as well. that's why i much rather resort to cleaning the stockroom than selling machinesOct 10 16:53
_DougPetoKraus: haaaa ...Oct 10 16:54
_Douggtg ...Oct 10 16:54
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PetoKraussameOct 10 16:54
schestowitzWhy not put GNU on that PC?Oct 10 16:55
PetoKrausi can't. I am not the boss.Oct 10 16:55
PetoKrausthough, i wanted to give freebies to people - Openoffice CD's, for studentsOct 10 16:56
schestowitzOf course not. Windows is. Watch the EULA.Oct 10 16:56
schestowitzEULA: Microsoft's #1 innova~1Oct 10 16:56
schestowitzThey Wrote the Book^TMOct 10 16:57
schestowitzRight Depletion 101, hardcoverOct 10 16:57
schestowitzHard times for Microsoft. I see 5 headlines about Windows '7' UACOct 10 16:58
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schestowitzThey talk about a non-existent product while claiming that they need to sell Vista.Oct 10 16:59
schestowitz"In the face of strong competition, Evangelism's focus may shift immediately to the next version of the same technology, however. Indeed, Phase 1 (Evangelism Starts) for version x+1 may start as soon as this Final Release of version X." http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/2... ...Microsoft, internal documentOct 10 16:59
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schestowitzGosh, they have TWO vapourware items for Windows now.Oct 10 17:00
schestowitzDisappointed with 7 being the same dud as Vista? Worry not. Microsoft has Strata, AKA Midori, AKA non-existent name in the sky...  http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1622Oct 10 17:01
schestowitzLots of steam flying... lots of hot /vapour/Oct 10 17:01
schestowitzAs it turns out, Microsoft lied all along. It supports Blu-ray: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display...Oct 10 17:02
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schestowitzLABEL ALERT: "Anti-Microsoft" again. http://www.rocktownweekly.com/skyline_details.php?AI... "Well, wouldn't you know it? Last time I mentioned one person being anti-Microsoft and this week I heard from several others."Oct 10 17:18
schestowitzBeing against Crime is not "anti-Microsoft" unless one assume that Microsoft *is* analogous to crime.Oct 10 17:19
schestowitz*assumesOct 10 17:19
MinceRmicrosoft is criminal both morally and legallyOct 10 17:20
schestowitzhttp://www.webhostdir.com/news/showNew... "Microsoft unveils plans to spend $40bn (€£22bn) buying back its shares from investors. This is the biggest single buy-back plan in history."Oct 10 17:20
schestowitzIt's scary what happened to the DowOct 10 17:21
schestowitzIt's almost at 70xx pointOct 10 17:21
schestowitzIt's almost at 70xx pointsOct 10 17:21
schestowitzCliff: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=%5EDJI#ch...Oct 10 17:23
schestowitzThe big question remains: to what extent does that impact FOSS developers like Debian ones?Oct 10 17:23
schestowitzImpact on regulation: "The last time the economy plunged into darkness, Microsoft broke free from the shackles of its U.S. antitrust case." <http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/busine... >Oct 10 17:25
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schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/can_mic... "So, if the VP of Windows Product Management didn't know that Vista Capable machines were actually Vista Incapable why not the CEO? I mean this is a company where its senior management clearly doesn't know the first thing about its own products. But, hey, you don't have to believe me. All you have to do is believe Microsoft when it says its top leaders don't reaOct 10 17:27
schestowitzlly know what's going on within the company."Oct 10 17:27
_DougA man ages 17 years in 2 min ..Oct 10 17:27
_Doughttp://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?...Oct 10 17:27
schestowitzJLA Forums mirror COLA, don't they? Including the Munchkins' cesspool stuff.Oct 10 17:27
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_Dougdunno ..Oct 10 17:27
schestowitzSchmidt used the word cesspool the other dayOct 10 17:28
_Dougdon't read it .. leave that up to the microsofties ..Oct 10 17:28
schestowitzHe used it to describe part of the Web where trust isn't established. Timbl has a new project to address disinformation.Oct 10 17:28
schestowitz_Doug: they'll go somewhere else.Oct 10 17:28
schestowitzThe nature of the Microsoft Munchkin is that he or she needs to spread libel and damage. The fora vary. They also apread their poison in Slashdot, Digg and other such site.Oct 10 17:29
_Dougwhat a way to make a living .. spreading manure across the InterTUBES .. :)Oct 10 17:31
schestowitzNo announcements from Microsoft this week other than vapourware and something called XBox "experience" (sounds like selling aura).Oct 10 17:34
schestowitzDoes Anyone Want Yahoo? Anyone? Bueller? -- http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/10/08/do...Oct 10 17:35
schestowitzAOL-Yahoo Merger Details Emerge; Deal Could Happen This Month http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content...Oct 10 17:35
schestowitzGartner hails its client: http://rcpmag.com/news/article.aspx?...Oct 10 17:40
schestowitzSomething for Microsoft to write about in its brochures and white 'papers' and an invitation for Microsoft to buy some more services from Gartner in the future.Oct 10 17:41
_DougPower Outage at openSUSE ..Oct 10 17:41
_Doughttp://news.opensuse.org/Oct 10 17:41
ModplanManMethinks we should shoot analysts. Very few of them are any good.Oct 10 17:42
schestowitzAcquisition/deal cop Microsoft lobb^Hstrikes again: http://www.informationweek.com/news/intern... (same with DoubleClick-Google)Oct 10 17:43
schestowitzMicrosoft runs the country.Oct 10 17:43
_Douganalysts are very good at predicting the past ..Oct 10 17:43
schestowitzAnd wishful thinking (for clients)Oct 10 17:43
schestowitzThose that are honest receive no business and die out.Oct 10 17:43
schestowitzOnly those who sell out can survive.Oct 10 17:43
schestowitzPut differently, only the corru^Hranoid survive.Oct 10 17:44
schestowitzIck. Mandriva just had a popup asking me if I want to upgrade to KDE4.1/Mand 2009. I said "no".Oct 10 17:46
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ModplanManwhy's that?Oct 10 17:46
_Dougnag screens are the work of the devil .. :)Oct 10 17:46
schestowitzIt's not like changing shoes. I wonder how many people say yes and suddenly reboot into a totally unfamiliar (redone) DEOct 10 17:47
_Dougdelete file | press yes | no or cancel |Oct 10 17:47
schestowitzModplanMan: the analysts?Oct 10 17:47
ModplanManNo, just the update thing. Nag screens are the work of the devils mother in law might be more accurateOct 10 17:48
schestowitzHigh Rate of H-1B Visa Fraud : http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/...Oct 10 17:49
schestowitz"Microsoft Chairman and co-founder Bill Gates has twice testified in front of Congress on the issue."Oct 10 17:49
_Dougcancel file delete | press yes | no or cancel |Oct 10 17:50
schestowitzSecurity updates require a popup. Anyway, it gave the tickbox for "never ask again".Oct 10 17:50
schestowitz_Doug: try closing the window then. It's safer.Oct 10 17:50
schestowitzor killall <window type>Oct 10 17:51
ModplanManHmmm, you'd think employees that are supposdely badly needed would be paid more, not lessOct 10 17:51
_DougWorld Bank computer hacked ..Oct 10 17:51
_Doughttp://it.slashdot.org/it/08/10...Oct 10 17:51
_Dougot: shot for wearing Barack Obama T-shirtOct 10 17:54
_Doughttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1070975/Man-sho...Oct 10 17:54
schestowitzModplanMan: good point.Oct 10 17:54
schestowitzModplanMan: pay goes by rates the candidate will /tolerate/, not what's deserved. tessier knows this.Oct 10 17:55
ModplanManJust goes to show how horrible pay is in general for anything IT relatedOct 10 17:56
schestowitz_Doug: haven't read it yet, but was it just the shirt that caused it?Oct 10 17:56
schestowitzIt makes a good headline: "Man shot three times in street by racist gunman - for wearing Barack Obama T-shirt " How true is it?Oct 10 17:56
ModplanManThe man who shot him seems like a general racist anyway - it seems the obama t-shirt perhaps set him over the edgeOct 10 17:57
schestowitz"The man then launched into a tirade of racist slurs, shouting 'I f***ing hate n*****s' and urging 36-year-old Mr Egwuatu to leave the shop with him."Oct 10 17:57
_Dougseems so ...Oct 10 17:57
schestowitzI think it has no proof that the shirt was the cause.Oct 10 17:57
schestowitzJust a different headline"Oct 10 17:57
schestowitz"White skinhead shoots black men" is just as mundane a headline as "dog bites man"Oct 10 17:58
schestowitzOh dear: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,293...Oct 10 17:59
_DougI got bawled out, in the street,  by this large black dude, for not stepping aside quickly enough ..Oct 10 17:59
schestowitzThe problem is that the US Admin already said it was wiling to physically bomb source of cyberattack.Oct 10 17:59
_DougHe looked like a body builder, and was literally foaming at the mouth, probably on steriods .. :>Oct 10 18:00
schestowitz"Teh bank!" This is an "act of terrorism"... we must therefore "go to war"Oct 10 18:00
schestowitzThey label anything they dislike "terrorism" these days.Oct 10 18:00
_DougI didn't argure ..Oct 10 18:00
_DougSeems a lot of it about, street rage ..Oct 10 18:00
schestowitzBecause there are catch-all laws for the term/definition/net called "terrorism"Oct 10 18:00
_Dougeverybody angry all the time ...Oct 10 18:01
schestowitzFoaming... *LOL*Oct 10 18:01
_DougI do believe the terror alerts are a part of it, makes people scared and jumpy ..Oct 10 18:01
schestowitzHorses have form too and about the same levels of  hormones, I guess. I hate people on steroids.Oct 10 18:01
_DougAn old lady stopped me in the street and ran off when she heard my accent .. :]Oct 10 18:02
schestowitzA mate of mine thinks globalisation will be promotes as a 'solution'Oct 10 18:02
schestowitzUnder the pressure/siege/panic/scareOct 10 18:02
schestowitz*promotedOct 10 18:02
schestowitzre: accents... only in the UK. One country, so many accents, and so many things associated with them.Oct 10 18:03
schestowitzThere are lots of good videos on this in YouTube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TFez0...Oct 10 18:04
schestowitzI can't find one that I saw before... one with a girl who's doing like a hundred accents and does that pretty well.Oct 10 18:05
_DougObama for pres, I gave 7/4 on ...Oct 10 18:05
_DougI can actually talk proper, it comes from working in a call center, slow it down and vary the tone, emphasise the consonents ..Oct 10 18:06
schestowitzSpeaking of the bank, there are new known flaws (4) in Microsoft s/w that enable remote hijacking.Oct 10 18:06
_Doug7/4 for Obama .. any takers benJIman, ModplanMan ?Oct 10 18:06
schestowitzThere's a chance of liability laws coming to the UK and affecting s/w programmers.Oct 10 18:07
_Dougthey're not flaws, they are designed in to enable monitoringOct 10 18:07
schestowitzWell, not /these/ one, methinks.Oct 10 18:07
schestowitzThey have protocol loopholes, according to Achneier.Oct 10 18:08
schestowitzThey have protocol loopholes, according to Schneier.Oct 10 18:08
_DougThey want it secure, but not that much secure so as it can't be remotely compromised ..Oct 10 18:08
schestowitzThere's also the documented case of the FBI injecting viruses to people's PCs.Oct 10 18:08
_Dougremember, we, the urban middle-classes are all potential terrorists, just ask the chief constableOct 10 18:09
schestowitzAgain: http://www.boomtown.net/en_uk/art... (Microsoft denies Blu-ray plans)Oct 10 18:10
_Douggtg .. later tomorrowOct 10 18:10
_Dougkey an eye on Ray, will ya benJIman ;)Oct 10 18:10
schestowitzYou must enter the NON-terrorist listOct 10 18:10
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