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DaemonFC"Sat 22:46:11 [activelow] And this is the loophole: the abandoned social legislation was replaced with the common ideological lunacy (gender,race,climate, etc) to match workers with jobs"Jun 20 00:17
schestowitzand it shows the day of the week to avoid confusionJun 20 00:17
schestowitzDaemonFC: don't talk about race hereJun 20 00:18
schestowitztake it to socialJun 20 00:18
DaemonFCAccording to LeVar Burton, accountability culture means if you have an unpopular opinion, good luck getting a job to feed yourself with.Jun 20 00:18
DaemonFCThey'll plaster what you say on Facebook all over your company's Shitter or something and you're gone.Jun 20 00:18
DaemonFCIt doesn't even matter if you said it at work or on company time or in your work uniform or not.Jun 20 00:19
DaemonFCmjg59 is safe on Shitter because he has the prevailing odious opinions.Jun 20 00:19
schestowitzOK, now back on topicJun 20 00:20
schestowitzI just upload a video at the momentJun 20 00:20
schestowitzit's about patent courtsJun 20 00:20
CrystalMathtoday i accidentally tried to launch schestowitz instead of schismtrackerJun 20 00:20
schestowitzlolJun 20 00:21
DaemonFCThey claim to be very progressive at tech companies but many of them post under pseudonyms on places like the daily stormer because they need to purge.Jun 20 00:21
schestowitzwhat is schismtracker?Jun 20 00:21
CrystalMathsome music tracker software :)Jun 20 00:21
schestowitzschism Jun 20 00:21
CrystalMathbut you know you're on techrights too much when you do something like thatJun 20 00:21
schestowitzwhich reminds me, it has been weeks since Tim was available to record TechBytesJun 20 00:22
schestowitzwe'll get back to it soon, he has kidsJun 20 00:22
DaemonFCCancel Culture and not worrying about how blue collar workers are getting along will eventually bite off more than it can chew when the next insurrection succeeds.Jun 20 00:22
schestowitzwe have some music tracks for future showsJun 20 00:22
DaemonFCRoy compared the first one to a dress rehearsal.Jun 20 00:22
schestowitzthey say the first coup often failsJun 20 00:23
DaemonFCIt was only hours old and the only reason it went on that long is because the sitting president was in the White House laughing about it and refusing to call in law enforcement.Jun 20 00:23
schestowitzbut then it happens againJun 20 00:23
schestowitzand they learn from the error of the firsyJun 20 00:24
schestowitzThe US now has its own KrystalnachtJun 20 00:24
DaemonFCI was sitting here watching going "What do you mean the state governors are sending in the National Guard?".Jun 20 00:24
schestowitzKristallnachtJun 20 00:25
schestowitzI knew I had spelled it wrong.Jun 20 00:25
DaemonFCThat's unprecedented. States having to occupy the federal district.Jun 20 00:25
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KristallnachtJun 20 00:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Kristallnacht - WikipediaJun 20 00:25
DaemonFCLegally, there's no way they can do that. The president has to request their help, and he was sitting there watching Fox News laughing while those people tore up Congress.Jun 20 00:26
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_KnivesJun 20 00:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Night of the Long Knives - WikipediaJun 20 00:26
schestowitzanyway DaemonFC, it's not what this channel is supposed to be forJun 20 00:27
DaemonFCParler's back.Jun 20 00:27
DaemonFCApple pretty much just let them back in when it figured nobody was looking anymore.Jun 20 00:27
DaemonFCAlthough I'm sure there's a reason for that. It's obviously a honeypot now.Jun 20 00:28
saint_dogbert/fnalso helped when documents came to light that Parler had been cooperating with the FBIJun 20 00:28
schestowitzApple worries more about its imageJun 20 00:29
schestowitznot politicsJun 20 00:29
schestowitzprofitsJun 20 00:29
DaemonFCYeah, when it's their ass in the sling or yours, watch how fast they turn you over.Jun 20 00:29
MinceR(audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVYqB0uTKlEJun 20 00:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Why the UK is in the EU - YouTubeJun 20 00:40
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/06/19/epo-eba-court-of-public-opinion/Jun 20 00:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOโ€™s Enlarged Board of Appeal Has Already Lost the Case in the Court of Public Opinion | TechrightsJun 20 00:46
schestowitzAriadne: just remember that tech issues aren't typically a purely political things and framing them as such distracts us from mostly apolitical (in the wing sense) mattersJun 20 00:47
schestowitzsuch as patents, which aren't a wing thing, but bipartisan business-led thingJun 20 00:47
schestowitzFN/LC became a partly political thing, not a technical thingJun 20 00:48
schestowitzat first I thought it was just LCJun 20 00:48
schestowitzand now it turns out the same is true for FNJun 20 00:48
schestowitzbecause the beans got spilled in the openJun 20 00:49
schestowitzwhich is why we're interested in neitherJun 20 00:49
MinceRoftc is the same as lcJun 20 00:49
schestowitzboth are not hospitable to some views, and that can also be slanted based on politicsJun 20 00:49
schestowitzto justify manipulation of the discourseJun 20 00:49
schestowitzMinceR: yes, same staffJun 20 00:49
schestowitzformer freenode staff (overlap)Jun 20 00:49
schestowitzoftc is fantaJun 20 00:50
schestowitzto cokeJun 20 00:50
schestowitzanother brandJun 20 00:50
schestowitzfor some purposesJun 20 00:50
techrights-bot/fn#Debian 10.10 release 202106191548 โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152468 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 20 00:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 10.10 release 202106191548 | Tux MachinesJun 20 00:54
techrights-bot/fn#Google #Android Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152469 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 20 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 20 00:55
techrights-bot/fn#Debian GNU/Linux 10.10 โ€œBusterโ€ Released with 55 Security Updates and 81 Bug Fixes โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152470 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 20 00:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian GNU/Linux 10.10 โ€œBusterโ€ Released with 55 Security Updates and 81 Bug Fixes | Tux MachinesJun 20 00:55
techrights-bot/fn##HowTo Make #LibreOffice Look Like Microsoft Office โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152471 #TuxMachinesJun 20 00:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to Make LibreOffice Look Like Microsoft Office | Tux MachinesJun 20 00:56
techrights-bot/fnVirtual Injustice โ€” Part 12: Carl Josefsson โ€“ Down But Not Out! http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/carl-josefsson-in-the-shadows/ #epo #corruption #kangaroocourts #patent #haarJun 20 00:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice โ€” Part 12: Carl Josefsson โ€“ Down But Not Out! | TechrightsJun 20 00:56
techrights-bot/fnThe EPOโ€™s Enlarged Board of Appeal Has Already Lost the Case in the Court of Public Opinion http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/epo-eba-court-of-public-opinion/ #epo #eboa #patents #europe #patentJun 20 00:56
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techrights-bot/fn#ibm - by buying #redhat - infiltrated #gnu and now vainly claims that GNU is IBM and thus IBM et al can tell the #FSF who should run FSF and GNU. #entryismJun 20 01:07
techrights-bot/fn#freesoftware is an incredibly valuable assets, says Leonid Radvinsky https://thebossmagazine.com/understanding-open-source-funding/Jun 20 01:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thebossmagazine.com | Understanding open source funding: how investors like Leonid Radvinsky are helping the movement | BOSS MagazineJun 20 01:09
techrights-bot/fnTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152472Jun 20 01:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 20 01:11
techrights-bot/fnTheme Hospital game engine reimplementation #CorsixTH 0.65 is out now | GamingOnLinux โš“ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/theme-hospital-game-engine-reimplementation-corsixth-065-is-out-now ไท‰ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #GamesJun 20 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Theme Hospital game engine reimplementation CorsixTH 0.65 is out now | GamingOnLinuxJun 20 01:15
techrights-bot/fnToday in #Techrights โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152473Jun 20 01:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJun 20 01:15
techrights-bot/fn#GemRB 0.9.0, the game engine reimplementation for the likes of Baldur's Gate | GamingOnLinux โš“ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/gemrb-090-the-game-engine-reimplementation-for-the-likes-of-baldurs-gate ไท‰ #GamingOnLinux #GNU #Linux #GamesJun 20 01:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GemRB 0.9.0, the game engine reimplementation for the likes of Baldur's Gate | GamingOnLinuxJun 20 01:16
techrights-bot/fnFree and open source evolution game Thrive 0.5.4 is out now with cell colonies | GamingOnLinux โš“ https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2021/06/free-and-open-source-evolution-game-thrive-054-is-out-now-with-cell-colonies #deletegithub #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware #monopolyJun 20 01:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Free and open source evolution game Thrive 0.5.4 is out now with cell colonies | GamingOnLinuxJun 20 01:17
techrights-bot/fnWhy do #youtube channels keep selling out with #marketing BS? Or with loaded titles? Maybe underproduction? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKCtKVY_g48Jun 20 01:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Slimbook Titan - a Portable Powerhouse running Linux - YouTubeJun 20 01:17
techrights-bot/fn"I use terminals for a lot of what I do and technically a terminal can be used to do everything you could ever want but unless you're insane a mouse and a GUI is sometimes just more convenient." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KlF0yY6DXoJun 20 01:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Terminals Are Amazing But Not For Everything - YouTubeJun 20 01:18
techrights-bot/fn" #RedcoreLinux is a distribution based on #Gentoo but aims to provide a user-friendly installation. #Redcore targets the casual Linux user but is also appropriate for power users. It comes with #KDE Plasma and a nice suite of programs including gaming, multimedia and office software." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFs9accYV2cJun 20 01:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Redcore Linux Makes Gentoo User Friendly - YouTubeJun 20 01:19
techrights-bot/fnPersonal views on the sordid state of the Enlarged Board of Appeal (EBoA), which by extension bodes poorly for the perception of independence in every Board of Appeal (BoA) โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/epo-eba-court-of-public-opinion/ ไท‰ #Techrights #EPO #Europe #Corruption #Patents | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights. <clipped message>Jun 20 01:21
techrights-bot/fnorg/2021/06/19/epo-eba-court-of-public-Jun 20 01:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The EPOโ€™s Enlarged Board of Appeal Has Already Lost the Case in the Court of Public Opinion | TechrightsJun 20 01:21
techrights-bot/fnAntรณnio Campinos still controls Josefsson, who controls all the judges, so in effect all the legal cases (including some about European software patents) are manipulated by the Office the judges are supposed to judge โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/carl-josefsson-in-the-shadows/ ไท‰ #Techrights #EPO #Europe #Corruption #Patents | โ™พ  <clipped message>Jun 20 01:21
techrights-bot/fnGemini address: gemini://gemini.techrigJun 20 01:21
techrights-bot/fn#microsoft and #google promote Microsoft- and Google-controlled (Mozilla and Github) language inside #linux #kernel https://tech.slashdot.org/story/21/06/19/0526255/google-funds-linux-kernel-development-in-rustJun 20 01:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tech.slashdot.org | Google Funds Linux Kernel Development in Rust - SlashdotJun 20 01:24
techrights-bot/fnLinux Foundation rewrites history about an operation system 38 years old https://linux.slashdot.org/story/21/06/19/011247/linux-foundation-honors-authors-of-30-linux-success-stories-by-letting-them-name-a-penguinJun 20 01:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.slashdot.org | Linux Foundation Honors Authors of 30 Linux Success Stories By Letting Them Name a Penguin - SlashdotJun 20 01:27
techrights-bot/fn...an operating system 38 years old http://techrights.org/2021/04/30/gnu-linux-turning-38/ #gnu #linuxJun 20 01:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Show Your Love for the GNU Operating System With These Banners | TechrightsJun 20 01:28
techrights-bot/fnAudiocasts/Shows: Redcore Linux, Terminals, Slimbook and More โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152474Jun 20 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Audiocasts/Shows: Redcore Linux, Terminals, Slimbook and More | Tux MachinesJun 20 01:33
techrights-bot/fn#Games : CorsixTH, GemRB, and Thrive โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152475 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 20 01:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Games: CorsixTH, GemRB, and Thrive | Tux MachinesJun 20 01:35
techrights-bot/fn#openSUSE Tumbleweed โ€“ Review of the week 2021/24 - Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*) โš“ http://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2021/06/opensuse-tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2021-24/ ไท‰ #dominiqueLeuenberger #suseJun 20 01:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dominique.leuenberger.net | openSUSE Tumbleweed โ€“ Review of the week 2021/24 โ€“ Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*)Jun 20 01:36
techrights-bot/fnDon't allow people who work/ed for evil corporations like #intel #microsoft #google and #ibm lecture you about #ethics .... more likely those are just blatant projection tacticsJun 20 01:40
techrights-bot/fn#ibm is in a freefall and most tech companies are still operating in debt, i.e. they're failing companies propped up by VCs or their own governments (public purse/taxpayers bailing them out, annually)Jun 20 01:41
techrights-bot/fn#Pittsburgh Resilient Coders is bringing its free and equity-minded coding bootcamp to Pittsburgh - Technical.ly Pittsburgh โš“ https://technical.ly/pittsburgh/2021/06/17/resilient-coders-free-bootcamp/ ไท‰ #programming | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latestJun 20 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Technical.ly Pittsburgh Resilient Coders is bringing its free and equity-minded coding bootcamp to Pittsburgh - Technical.ly PittsburghJun 20 01:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsJun 20 01:42
DaemonFChttps://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/06/19/2122221/some-texans-surprised-their-smart-thermostats-are-being-raised-remotelyJun 20 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hardware.slashdot.org | Some Texans Surprised Their Smart Thermostats Are Being Raised Remotely - SlashdotJun 20 01:43
DaemonFCschestowitz, Backdoored thermostats = Smart.Jun 20 01:43
techrights-bot/fn"POISON"... "COFFIN"... this is classic #dailyFail ... remember what awful and tasteless things they did about #corbyn https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9704175/DAN-HODGES-Whos-spreading-poison-final-nail-Keir-Starmers-coffin.htmlJun 20 01:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | DAN HODGES: Who's spreading the poison that could put the final nail in Keir Starmer's coffin? | Daily Mail OnlineJun 20 01:43
DaemonFCHave fun roasting under the Texas sun for a chance to win a small prize. :)Jun 20 01:43
techrights-bot/fn#OpenMediaVault : #OMV6 preview is available โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152476 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 20 01:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenMediaVault: OMV6 preview is available | Tux MachinesJun 20 01:44
schestowitzDaemonFC: smart means "intelligent"Jun 20 01:44
schestowitzas in intel agenciesJun 20 01:44
schestowitzthey love those thingsJun 20 01:44
schestowitzthey even have a complete log of when you were home and out of homeJun 20 01:45
DaemonFCNobody can control my air conditioner except me.Jun 20 01:45
schestowitzthat too can be used as evidence in convictionJun 20 01:45
DaemonFCIt's gotta be from at least the 1980s.Jun 20 01:45
schestowitz"according to your "smart meter" you could not possibly be at home..."Jun 20 01:45
DaemonFCMy "smart meter" wouldn't register much of a difference either way.Jun 20 01:45
DaemonFCMy laptop uses, at most, 28 watts.Jun 20 01:45
techrights-bot/fn#surveillance #smartShit #backdoor #remotecontrol #oppression https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/06/19/2122221/some-texans-surprised-their-smart-thermostats-are-being-raised-remotelyJun 20 01:46
DaemonFCBut usually more like ~10 maybe?Jun 20 01:46
schestowitzmakes senseJun 20 01:47
schestowitzwhat I like about laptops is, no need to UPSJun 20 01:47
schestowitzbut the router can come down in outagesJun 20 01:47
schestowitzthough it only impacts connectivityJun 20 01:48
schestowitznow in summer I can also take a small laptop to the back and get some stuff done in the sunJun 20 01:48
kingoffrancewell, that is supposedly something they can do even without smart things. power usage, water bill, etc.   smart just makes it easier perhapsJun 20 01:48
DaemonFCThey're all reasonably fast now.Jun 20 01:48
DaemonFCIntel more than doubled the GPU speed in Tiger Lake vs. previously.Jun 20 01:48
schestowitzmy energy supplier sent an alarming email some days agoJun 20 01:49
DaemonFCSo it's more than fast enough to run something like GTA V or Borderlands 3.Jun 20 01:49
schestowitzsaying I hadn't sent readings for 10 monthsJun 20 01:49
DaemonFCEven cranked up pretty high.Jun 20 01:49
kingoffrancethat was supposedly what "PROMIS" could do, coordinate all thatJun 20 01:49
schestowitzthey know darn well they need to send out a person, as they did 2 months agoJun 20 01:49
schestowitzand we PAY EXTRA for itJun 20 01:49
kingoffranceand that was like late 80s, early 90s supposedly, used to track terrorists supposedlyJun 20 01:49
DaemonFC<schestowitz> and we PAY EXTRA for itJun 20 01:49
schestowitzI should rant aboyt this pubicly, wait...Jun 20 01:49
DaemonFCWow, paying for something you don't get. Modern!Jun 20 01:49
DaemonFCschestowitz, We went by McDonalds today for the first time in a while. I just didn't feel like cooking anything.Jun 20 01:50
DaemonFCSo the lobby is closed because everyone is on unemployment.Jun 20 01:50
DaemonFCCOVID is basically gone, and the lobby could legally open with nobody wearing masks anymore, except nobody will apply.Jun 20 01:50
DaemonFCSo we get in the drive thru, going clear around the restaurant, which at least did move reasonably fast.Jun 20 01:51
DaemonFCAnd the guy working there didn't know what a "Classic Big Mac Pack" was. That's something they had on their menu like a month ago, and you can still order it even though it's not listed anymore.Jun 20 01:51
techrights-bot/fnOur energy supplier, #eON (which we NEVER chose, it took over #npower really!) sent an alarming email some days ago, saying we hadn't sent meter readings for 10 months (false)... they know darn well they need to send out a person, who last did this 2 months ago. This is what we asked for and we PAY EXTRA for it. They should stop intimidating clients who ALREADY pay extra for SERVICE.Jun 20 01:52
DaemonFCSo I had to get his manager to explain to him how to ring that up.Jun 20 01:52
schestowitzyou pay extra to NOT get somethingJun 20 01:53
schestowitzwhich they say is "free"Jun 20 01:53
schestowitzand you become the productsJun 20 01:53
DaemonFCHow do you still have electric if they haven't sent you a bill in 10 months?Jun 20 01:53
DaemonFCShouldn't you have noticed that it was piling up and you didn't get bills, or do they estimate them?Jun 20 01:53
schestowitzI've been fighting this excessive 'tech' creep a lot latelyJun 20 01:54
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/15/brexit-systemic-racism/Jun 20 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com ยป Blog Archive ยป National Government and Local Councils Give the Middle Finger to EU Citizens Long Settled in the United KingdomJun 20 01:54
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/06/12/uk-home-office-eu-mobile/Jun 20 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com ยป Blog Archive ยป Ongoing Investigation: Does the UK Home Office โ€˜Forceโ€™ EU Citizens to Carry Around Tracking Devices?Jun 20 01:54
MinceR"No John, you are the demons"Jun 20 01:54
schestowitzOlder: http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2021/04/21/manchester-town-hall-complaint/Jun 20 01:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com ยป Blog Archive ยป Manchester Town Hall Complaint (Updated)Jun 20 01:54
schestowitzDaemonFC: it was falseJun 20 01:54
schestowitzthey did check 2 months agoJun 20 01:54
DaemonFCThey don't feel like coming out and so the guy goes fuck it and estimates a reading.Jun 20 01:54
schestowitzand charged us like twice overJun 20 01:54
DaemonFCSays there was a dog or something.Jun 20 01:55
schestowitzfor incorrect estimates of theirsJun 20 01:55
schestowitzmaybe they sent out 'template' emailsJun 20 01:55
schestowitzwe never sent them readingsJun 20 01:55
schestowitzit's not my jobJun 20 01:55
schestowitzBTW, I never used 'self-checkout' eitherJun 20 01:55
schestowitzif they force me to, goodbyeJun 20 01:55
DaemonFCCommunist Edison has a method to email them your meter readings if you don't have a smart meter.Jun 20 01:55
DaemonFCBut they really lean on you to get a smart meter.Jun 20 01:55
DaemonFCCharging you a different rate if you don't.Jun 20 01:56
DaemonFCPlus you don't get "voltage optimization".Jun 20 01:56
schestowitzthey now say govermment regulation will force you toJun 20 01:56
schestowitzsome time in  like 4 yearsJun 20 01:56
schestowitzbut if enough of us reject it, that will never pull it offJun 20 01:56
schestowitzsame for cash rejectionJun 20 01:56
DaemonFCApparently, optimization can save you 10% of your electric bill.Jun 20 01:56
schestowitzthey mostly use lies and FUDJun 20 01:56
schestowitzto intimidate peopleJun 20 01:56
DaemonFCIt used to be something they could only do for industrial customers.Jun 20 01:56
schestowitzthe estimates "MIGHT BE WRONG"Jun 20 01:56
schestowitzyou "MAY BE OVERPAYING"Jun 20 01:57
schestowitzthey don't say underpayingJun 20 01:57
schestowitzwhich is also a possibilityJun 20 01:57
DaemonFCElectric has been the one bit of good news in the last 20 years in this country.Jun 20 01:57
DaemonFCDespite the cost of everything else doubling or tripling, electric bills tend to cost half of what they did.Jun 20 01:57
schestowitzwe mostly use electricity for our computers. And appliances that aren't kitchen.Jun 20 01:58
schestowitz10 screens give me enough light, I rarely turn the bulbs onJun 20 01:58
DaemonFCA lot of the savings are just things not using much power anymore.Jun 20 01:58
DaemonFCNo more CRTs for monitors and TVs, more people using laptops or phones and tablets, LCD lighting.Jun 20 01:58
schestowitzyes, laptops are more efficientJun 20 01:59
schestowitzthey have to beJun 20 01:59
schestowitzbecause of battery life benchmarksJun 20 01:59
schestowitzthey are also quieterJun 20 01:59
DaemonFCIt's not worth it to run inefficient electric generation anymore.Jun 20 01:59
DaemonFCSo coal is going belly up.Jun 20 01:59
techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–…โ–„โ–โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–ˆโ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–‡โ–…โ–…โ–ˆโ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 27.98 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 10.56โ–• swarm size (avg): 299.03  โŸฒJun 20 01:59
schestowitzesp. SSD onesJun 20 01:59
schestowitz4 laptops at 20 watts are less than some bulbsJun 20 01:59
activelowelectricity is only ~20% of total energy requirements, and private households again is only ~20% of total electricity consumedJun 20 01:59
schestowitzthe brighter bulbsJun 20 01:59
DaemonFCYeah, one reason I switched away from hard drives in 2016.Jun 20 01:59
schestowitzflatscreens are about the sameJun 20 02:00
schestowitzand they don't emit tons of heat and radiation like CRTs didJun 20 02:00
schestowitzrianne still uses a magnetic storage laptopJun 20 02:00
DaemonFCEven though my TV is a 4K set and 55" diameter, it uses less than 25% as much power as a 25 inch CRT used to.Jun 20 02:00
DaemonFCPlus you can move it without tearing yourself a new hernia.Jun 20 02:01
schestowitzlolJun 20 02:01
activelowthat's why the data published about renewable energy is fraudulent, since it accounts for private households only (excluding industrial grid), and it accounts for electricity only (excluding petrol, heating etc)Jun 20 02:01
schestowitzI got a screen free 3 days agoJun 20 02:01
schestowitza friend no longer used his third monitor and wanted me to have itJun 20 02:02
schestowitzyou can also buy second hand ones cheaply hereJun 20 02:02
schestowitz20-30 poundsJun 20 02:02
DaemonFCMy dad tries to run everything he owns into the ground.Jun 20 02:02
schestowitzless than your grocery basketJun 20 02:02
DaemonFCI told him my car has almost 300,000 miles on it and before he could say anything, Jan said hers has over half a million.Jun 20 02:02
schestowitzFelta felt like he should not wasteJun 20 02:02
schestowitzrianne's dad still drives a car from 1994 iircJun 20 02:03
DaemonFCWell, it does make sense to just keep replacing a part here or there at what cars cost now.Jun 20 02:03
DaemonFCIllinois passed more used car taxes on top of that.Jun 20 02:03
schestowitzwhen you're old you might not want a brand new carsJun 20 02:03
DaemonFCThey'll skin you alive on taxes and fees and everything.Jun 20 02:03
schestowitzyou drive until the old car stops working or becomes a "write-off"Jun 20 02:03
DaemonFCAt some point, something so bad happens to it that you sell the title for scrap.Jun 20 02:04
DaemonFCThey hand you a check for like $300-400 and you have done with it.Jun 20 02:04
DaemonFCI figure I have a few years before we're there with the Impala.Jun 20 02:04
kingoffranceMinceR, thats why you stick with flynn :)  https://web.archive.org/web/20070101211201/http://horus.comlab.uni-rostock.de/flynn/Jun 20 02:04
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schestowitzgovs should subsidise repairs of old carsJun 20 02:04
schestowitzbut the automobile industry would lobby hard against thatJun 20 02:05
activelowthe "write-off" for electronics is too short, 3 years iirc in germanyJun 20 02:05
DaemonFCIllinois doesn't. They charge an extra tax now on a used car to penalize you for buying one.Jun 20 02:05
DaemonFCThe used car dealers were fucking pissed.Jun 20 02:05
DaemonFCI was talking to my mechanic. I said, "But I'll bet that was good for your business.".Jun 20 02:05
DaemonFCThink about it. The government adds an extra $750-$1,000 penalty for buying a used car on top of the registration, title, and 10% sales tax.Jun 20 02:06
schestowitznot the sameJun 20 02:06
DaemonFCYou may buy a used car, but once you do you don't want to pay that again for a while, so there's more incentive to fix it.Jun 20 02:06
schestowitznot subsidising repairsJun 20 02:06
schestowitzthe subsidies can prevent people looking to grow demand for more manufacturingJun 20 02:06
schestowitzextraction, pollutionJun 20 02:06
schestowitzand for old cars that subsidy can be smallJun 20 02:07
schestowitzlike $500 for some car partJun 20 02:07
DaemonFCYes, it's less wasteful to just patch them up.Jun 20 02:07
schestowitzto give it another 3 years on the roadJun 20 02:07
schestowitz160 dollars a yearJun 20 02:07
DaemonFCOther than a brake job this year, I've had to replace a tie rod end, a wheel bearing, and two stuts on the front axle.Jun 20 02:07
schestowitz13 dollars  a monthJun 20 02:07
schestowitzless than 50 cents a dayJun 20 02:07
schestowitzand a lot less pollutionJun 20 02:07
DaemonFCWith modern high precision manufacturing, you'd think that engines would be running longer than ever, but they don't.Jun 20 02:08
MinceRkingoffrance: lolJun 20 02:08
saint_dogbert/fnI dunno... I've got two with over 250,000 miles on them and still running strongJun 20 02:18
techrights-bot/fn#Programming Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152477 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 20 02:18
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saint_dogbert/fnnever had to do anything but tuneups and clutchesJun 20 02:18
saint_dogbert/fnOne I can prove with a photo of the digital odometerJun 20 02:19
MinceRno oil changes? :>Jun 20 02:19
saint_dogbert/fnif you want a photoJun 20 02:19
saint_dogbert/fnthere is that stuff... not that many people seem to believe in oil changesJun 20 02:19
MinceRlolJun 20 02:19
saint_dogbert/fnused to be a mechanic at a dealer... can't tell you how many people put off changing the oilJun 20 02:19
saint_dogbert/fnone woman bought a car brand new off the lot. put 60,000 miles on it without ever changing or adding oilJun 20 02:20
saint_dogbert/fnthen got upset when the engine seizedJun 20 02:20
MinceRlolJun 20 02:20
saint_dogbert/fnshe got livid when she found out the warranty doesn't cover that nonsenseJun 20 02:20
saint_dogbert/fnstill can't figure out how she got 60,000 out of it under those conditions. I thought at most, 15000Jun 20 02:21
techrights-bot/fnTodayโ€™s ๐“๐ฎ๐ฑ ๐Œ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ฌ Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152478Jun 20 02:21
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DaemonFC<saint_dogbert/fn> then got upset when the engine seizedJun 20 02:23
DaemonFCWe had one of them down the street when I was a kid.Jun 20 02:23
schestowitzwow, half a million plus miles on two carsJun 20 02:23
schestowitzincredibleJun 20 02:23
DaemonFCThey were like "Stupid piece of shit, nobody told us anything about oil changes.".Jun 20 02:23
saint_dogbert/fnseriously... lemme go grab a photo of the odometerJun 20 02:23
schestowitzgo round the globe how many times, on tough terrain too, suboptimal conditions...Jun 20 02:23
MinceRwell, nowadays the car tells you about the oil change, if it's new enough :>Jun 20 02:24
DaemonFCMine does it in the middle of oil changes.Jun 20 02:24
MinceRlolJun 20 02:24
DaemonFCI run it on synthetic and it just goes herr derrr it's been 3,000 miles derp.Jun 20 02:24
MinceRmine did it something like a month early or soJun 20 02:24
schestowitzit's like al budyJun 20 02:24
schestowitzwbundyJun 20 02:24
schestowitz*bundyJun 20 02:24
schestowitzwith that meterJun 20 02:24
schestowitzbefore the car went off the garage by accidentJun 20 02:24
DaemonFCIt's not technically oil, either.Jun 20 02:25
DaemonFCIt's that gas to liquid stuff.Jun 20 02:25
schestowitzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-KIAiO-PqgJun 20 02:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Married with Children The Dodge is Gone - YouTubeJun 20 02:25
DaemonFCI had to use Amazon last month. I rarely do.Jun 20 02:25
DaemonFCWalmart was out of air filters that fit my car and the auto parts store wanted $17.....Jun 20 02:26
DaemonFCMom left the old fuel filter on there for so long that the car started stalling out soon after I got it.Jun 20 02:27
DaemonFCTHey had to replace part of the fuel line that ran between the filter and the pump because it had rusted onto the line.Jun 20 02:27
DaemonFCI'll probably have them do the serpenting belt next oil change.Jun 20 02:29
DaemonFCI'm pretty sure that's been on there for like 14 years now.Jun 20 02:29
DaemonFC*serpentineJun 20 02:29
DaemonFCI started having power steering problems earlier this year, but they went away after I had some suspension work done on the front end.Jun 20 02:30
DaemonFChttps://news.slashdot.org/story/21/06/19/0026235/california-defies-expectations-of-doom-promises-massive-tax-rebateJun 20 02:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.slashdot.org | California Defies Expectations of Doom, Promises Massive Tax Rebate - SlashdotJun 20 02:31
DaemonFCState with highest taxes by far says you can have a $600 rebate this year to coincide with the governor's recall.Jun 20 02:31
DaemonFCWhat a coincidence. Jun 20 02:31
schestowitzbagira: why the DM?Jun 20 02:32
schestowitza lot has happened lately, inc. the loss of the FN databaseJun 20 02:32
DaemonFCMinceR, It's good to be king.Jun 20 02:32
DaemonFCHey, I know you guys are pissed about the French Laundry incident.Jun 20 02:33
schestowitzdata is very importantJun 20 02:33
DaemonFCBut here's some of your own money back.Jun 20 02:33
DaemonFCPlease remember who gave it to you in the voting booth!Jun 20 02:33
MinceR:)Jun 20 02:33
schestowitz[02:32] <bagira> just curious, would you be interested in contributing to the new freenode community news site? Jun 20 02:34
schestowitza lot in FN keeps breakingJun 20 02:34
schestowitzinc. the kiwi-irc widgetJun 20 02:35
schestowitztoday I saw it was partly restored Jun 20 02:35
schestowitzbut still not fully functionalJun 20 02:35
schestowitzFN needs to assure people their data is safeJun 20 02:35
schestowitzboth privacy-wide and integration-wiseJun 20 02:35
schestowitzI spent 6 hours last Tuesday having to rebuild everythingJun 20 02:35
schestowitzand FN did not inform anyone about the upcoming/ongoing changesJun 20 02:36
schestowitzclarity is neededJun 20 02:36
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DaemonFCThe Lincoln Park Zoo is open again. They don't stop you from bringing in food and drinks and it's free and open all year.Jun 20 02:38
DaemonFCThey get people from out of town by not mentioning that you'll pay $40-50 to park there.Jun 20 02:38
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DaemonFCAnd on really expensive food if you don't bring your own....Jun 20 02:38
schestowitzif they allow youJun 20 02:39
schestowitzthey're becoming like movie theatresJun 20 02:39
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DaemonFCTheir website just says you can't bring in weed or drink alcohol you didn't purchase at the zoo.Jun 20 02:40
schestowitzoh, digital displayJun 20 02:40
schestowitzI was expecting 90s techJun 20 02:40
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saint_dogbert/fnThe other is a '93 ford escort, but the odometer rolls over to 0 at 100,000 so I can't prove how many times thats flippedJun 20 02:40
DaemonFC2006 Buick....So there's a chance that it still has the 3800 V6?Jun 20 02:40
saint_dogbert/fnit isJun 20 02:41
saint_dogbert/fnoriginalJun 20 02:41
DaemonFCI have one in the Impala.Jun 20 02:41
saint_dogbert/fnnot rebuilt and the only engine item outside of normal tuneup to be replaced is the timing chainJun 20 02:41
schestowitzmust be a lot of long-dustance travel thenJun 20 02:41
schestowitzlike 1000 miles in a weekJun 20 02:41
schestowitz[02:35] <bagira> on second thought, perhaps inviting someone who shares private messages publicly without permission is an error Jun 20 02:41
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saint_dogbert/fnNot really, but yearly trips between Washington and OhioJun 20 02:42
DaemonFCMine was at 275,900-somthing today.Jun 20 02:42
saint_dogbert/fnright on :DJun 20 02:42
saint_dogbert/fnHow much work have you had to do to it?Jun 20 02:42
DaemonFCToo much to remember, but for the engine?Jun 20 02:42
saint_dogbert/fnyeah, engine wiseJun 20 02:43
DaemonFCBoth intakes are new. The front valve cover was replaced as part of a safety recall, the EGR valve is new, and there's a new oil pan gasket.Jun 20 02:43
saint_dogbert/fnMore work than mine ;)Jun 20 02:43
DaemonFCThe lower intake manifold was leaking oil and coolant.Jun 20 02:44
DaemonFCThe upper intake cracked and caused a vacuum leak a year later.Jun 20 02:45
saint_dogbert/fnhow did you pull that off?Jun 20 02:45
DaemonFCAge and heat, I suppose.Jun 20 02:45
DaemonFCIt's this plastic shit GM uses.Jun 20 02:45
XRevan86psydroid: How big is your Conversations database, by the way?Jun 20 02:46
saint_dogbert/fnInteresting. I spent a number of years in south east idaho with this one and never had that happen. I'm thinking it may be time to replace the coil packs thoughJun 20 02:46
DaemonFCYou have to buy a whole kit with it, so you replace the thermostat and the PCV valve at the same time as replacing the upper intake.Jun 20 02:46
DaemonFCThe fuel pressure regulator hose and the regulator itself were leaking too.Jun 20 02:47
DaemonFCThose were pretty cheap though.Jun 20 02:48
saint_dogbert/fnouch :(Jun 20 02:48
saint_dogbert/fnSounds like the ford ranger I used to haveJun 20 02:48
saint_dogbert/fnevery month, some new issueJun 20 02:48
saint_dogbert/fnbut that one was a strange setup for its model yearJun 20 02:48
saint_dogbert/fntwin spark plug systemJun 20 02:48
saint_dogbert/fnFords answer to the Nissan or whatever OEM twin plug motorJun 20 02:49
DaemonFCThe EGR was just nasty from carbon buildup.Jun 20 02:49
DaemonFCOnce it's off, you clean the pipe out too in order to try to prevent the new one from getting plugged up.Jun 20 02:49
saint_dogbert/fnair compressorJun 20 02:49
saint_dogbert/fn;)Jun 20 02:49
saint_dogbert/fnkidding of courseJun 20 02:50
saint_dogbert/fndon't try thatJun 20 02:50
techrights-bot/fn"something about destroying an irc network is going to make irc devs squeamish on giving him help" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-190621.html#tJun%2019%2008:12:17 #ircJun 20 02:50
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DaemonFCA wire brush and some carb cleaner.Jun 20 02:50
saint_dogbert/fnyepJun 20 02:50
saint_dogbert/fnbottle brushes work better though for some of 'emJun 20 02:51
DaemonFCIt'll never be top of the line again, but it's reliable enough I guess.Jun 20 02:52
DaemonFCCompared to making payments, I go through about one car payment's worth of repairs every 4 months or so.Jun 20 02:52
techrights-bot/fn#compression in #geminiSpace (big debate at the moment/this weekend): "Was wondering when that would get brought up. Hadn't spoken because I wasn't sure if it hadn't already been looked into. Gwmpub/gpub is readable by Lagrange, and hopefully other browsers will follow suit (especially Ariana or another mobile browser.)" https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006725.htmlJun 20 02:52
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DaemonFCAs for oil, I get it done about every 8-12 months usually.Jun 20 02:56
DaemonFCI just keep an eye on it to make sure I'm not losing any.Jun 20 02:56
DaemonFCI put about 6,000-9,000 miles per year on it.Jun 20 02:56
saint_dogbert/fnI do mine every 2 years since '15... I put maybe 1000 miles on a yearJun 20 02:57
DaemonFCIt says 5w30 on the cap, but I use 0w30.Jun 20 02:57
saint_dogbert/fnsame. Mobileone?Jun 20 02:57
DaemonFCI found that the car turns over faster when it's around -20 or so.Jun 20 02:57
DaemonFCI used to, but Pennzoil Platinum Synthetic High Mileage comes in that too.Jun 20 02:58
saint_dogbert/fnPennzoil is something I wouldn't put in even if it was the last choice... same with Quakerstate and framJun 20 02:58
saint_dogbert/fnonce you've torn down an engine thats had either of those brands all its life, you'll understand whyJun 20 02:59
DaemonFCThere's a little bit of piston ring wear that showed up while they were smoke testing it for all those other vacuum leaks.Jun 20 02:59
DaemonFCYeah, the wax problem.Jun 20 02:59
techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–ƒโ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–‡โ–โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–โ–†โ–‡โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–‡โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–„โ–ƒโ–‡โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–‡โ– avg(k/sec) 30.40 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 10.15โ–• swarm size (avg): 300.36  โŸฒJun 20 02:59
DaemonFCBut the natural gas to liquid stuff wouldn't have that, right?Jun 20 02:59
saint_dogbert/fnyep. That gunk is a real pain to clean up.Jun 20 02:59
DaemonFCThat's a problem because of the crude oil.Jun 20 02:59
saint_dogbert/fnBeats me about the natural gas stuff. Never used it nor do I know of anyone that uses itJun 20 03:00
saint_dogbert/fnSeems to be only them. I've torn down engines that have run other brands of oil and not seen it nearly as badJun 20 03:00
DaemonFCWalmart TLE uses conventional Quaker State in their basic oil change package, of course they also destroy cars a lot faster than any sort of defective oil ever could.Jun 20 03:00
saint_dogbert/fnthe cleanest engines I've ever torn down had mobilone in them... oil pans were clean enough that you could eat off of themJun 20 03:00
DaemonFCValvoline is fine too.Jun 20 03:01
saint_dogbert/fnThat one tooJun 20 03:01
saint_dogbert/fnand castroJun 20 03:01
DaemonFCI've always driven high mileage cars.Jun 20 03:01
DaemonFCSo I was one of the first people using high mileage oil.Jun 20 03:01
DaemonFCI think when only Valvoline had one.Jun 20 03:02
DaemonFCSome people were talking about how they had a problem car that was burning and leaking like crazy and using the high mileage oil kind of covers up problems like that.Jun 20 03:02
saint_dogbert/fnI personally think some of them come with guerilla glue mixed in to stop those leaks ;)Jun 20 03:03
DaemonFCObviously, if the car is a high mileage beater, you're not going to do a full engine tear down to get it fixed correctly.Jun 20 03:03
saint_dogbert/fndepends on how bad the leak isJun 20 03:03
DaemonFCIt's just extra additives that swell up the seals a little bit more and make it more resistent to burn off.Jun 20 03:03
saint_dogbert/fnif its a real bad one as in losing a quart every trip, you end up spending more on oil than it would cost to fix the leak after a few monthsJun 20 03:04
DaemonFCUh, I had a Lumina that was leaking a quart between changes.Jun 20 03:04
saint_dogbert/fnThats not a bad leakJun 20 03:04
DaemonFCThe high mileage stuff stopped it and I drove the car for another 150,000 miles without doing anything else.Jun 20 03:04
saint_dogbert/fnlosing a quart every trip = losing a quart every trip to the groceryJun 20 03:04
DaemonFCThat's where the Impala had gotten to.Jun 20 03:04
DaemonFCMom was just pouring a quart in every week or so at one point.Jun 20 03:05
saint_dogbert/fn::(Jun 20 03:05
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XRevan86https://twitter.com/freenodestaff/status/1405375781883158530 I looked at this again and a thought occurred: maybe rasengan, when talking about the FOSS projects stealing other people's work, meant inspircd?Jun 20 03:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@freenodestaff: @sadiekatze Thanks for letting us use 'your' software. If you need a hug, you know where to find us. https://t.co/tBI0AYWPfUJun 20 03:08
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MinceRยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏJun 20 03:09
schestowitzMinceR: DaemonFC: can you spot typos? http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/github-hate-letter-and-ibm/Jun 20 03:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Handles More Removals of Signatures of Its Hate Letter Against Richard Stallman | TechrightsJun 20 03:09
MinceRschestowitz: the block seems to be missing from the end of the text (which is usually there)Jun 20 03:11
MinceRalso, red hat was already hostile to free software before they were bought by ibmJun 20 03:12
MinceRi couldn't spot anything elseJun 20 03:12
schestowitzno block as it is only a summaryJun 20 03:13
MinceRah, okJun 20 03:13
schestowitznot a full scale 'article'Jun 20 03:13
schestowitzthanks for checkingJun 20 03:13
MinceRnpJun 20 03:13
schestowitzRed Hat got worse when IBM bought themJun 20 03:13
schestowitzpeople like Oliva leftJun 20 03:13
techrights-bot/fn#IBM Handles More Removals of Signatures From Its Hate Letter Against Richard Stallman โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/github-hate-letter-and-ibm/ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/github-hate-letter-and-ibm/Jun 20 03:16
XRevan86Ariadne: Is it possible to run the thing with Dendrite?Jun 20 03:19
techrights-bot/fnWeek 2 on #Kalendar (GSoC 2021) https://claudiocambra.com/2021/06/20/week-2-on-kalendar-gsoc-2021/ #kde #freeswJun 20 03:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-claudiocambra.com | Week 2 on Kalendar (GSoC 2021) โ€“ Claudio CambraJun 20 03:19
*schestowitz working on parts 13-15 of the EPO seriesJun 20 03:19
*schestowitz (lots of people work on it)Jun 20 03:20
techrights-bot/fnIn terms of large IRC networks, they seem to be dividing along political lines rather than anything technical or something of on-topic/relevant substance. Using networks for FOSS to push your POLITICAL agenda is NOT acceptable. https://gist.github.com/joepie91/a50b72a8ca842944b40de3c2cdf776f6Jun 20 03:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gist.github.com | alt-right-bans.md ยท GitHubJun 20 03:22
techrights-bot/fnIt's starting to seem like in IRC space, FN has become the Front Nationale (French) and LC is Liberal Coalition. #freenode #liberaChat #PoliticsNOTTechJun 20 03:24
saint_dogbert/fnsure seems that wayJun 20 03:24
MinceRlolJun 20 03:24
techrights-bot/fnUsing TECHNICAL networks for TECHNICAL projects to push your POLITICAL agenda is MISusing them. http://techrights.org/2021/05/08/communication-channels-cancel-mobbed/ #freenode #liberaChat #PoliticsNOTTech #NoFreeLunch #SelfHostJun 20 03:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Pro-Software Freedom Advocates and Free/Libre Software Supporters Face Barriers Due to Domination of Communication Channels (Beyond the Media) | TechrightsJun 20 03:25
saint_dogbert/fnIts not that I hate left wingers, its the form of government that they seem to want to bring in to the USA sounds an awful lot like the USSRJun 20 03:26
schestowitzwings aren't a thing to usJun 20 03:26
saint_dogbert/fnbut with the human rights record that would surpass NK and CHJun 20 03:26
schestowitzbecause etch is not a wingJun 20 03:26
saint_dogbert/fnGerman?Jun 20 03:26
schestowitzif your algorithm is fast, it doesn't matter which party is in chargeJun 20 03:26
schestowitzand patent law is a bipartisan affairJun 20 03:26
schestowitzinterjecting politics into things is destabilising them, maybe intentionallyJun 20 03:27
saint_dogbert/fnYesJun 20 03:27
schestowitzlike the whole "master branch is racist" thingJun 20 03:27
schestowitzpure baitJun 20 03:27
schestowitzfor political polarityJun 20 03:27
saint_dogbert/fnvery much so... unfortunately, politics is injected into damn near everything in the USAJun 20 03:27
*job (~job@faedm9en5b78c.irc) has joined #techrightsJun 20 03:27
schestowitzwho cares about the quality of the commitJun 20 03:27
schestowitzpeople who don't know how to code just look at branch namesJun 20 03:28
schestowitzanyway, I want to focus on tech issuesJun 20 03:28
schestowitzthe amazon ring cameras spy on you no matter how you voteJun 20 03:28
saint_dogbert/fnThere is a saying in the south in the USA; They can tell which party you belong to by the soda you drink. Coke = right wing Pepsi = left wing RC Cola = libertarian ;)Jun 20 03:28
techrights-bot/fnVirtual Injustice -- Part 13 will be release late on Sunday. The series has meanwhile been extended to 15 parts total as new information becomes available. #epo #corruption #patents #kangarooCourt #euJun 20 03:29
schestowitzRC Cola is usually the cheapestJun 20 03:30
schestowitzbut I rarely see it around here anymoreJun 20 03:30
schestowitzAldi sells soda bottles very very cheap... like 19p last I check for 1.5-2 litresJun 20 03:30
schestowitzwater+chemicals inside oil container doesn't cost much to make... maybe transport costs exceed the manufacturing costsJun 20 03:31
saint_dogbert/fnsame about RC Cola... I asked the manager of the grocery I usually go to about it; They said both Coke and Pepsi are now paying big bucks to buy up the shelving space and push the little people like RC Cola outJun 20 03:33
techrights-bot/fn#epo wasted a lot of money on PURCHASED coverage this past week. Disgraceful and scandalous. Links omitted except http://techrights.org/2021/05/04/epo-eia-hush-money/Jun 20 03:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO Already Wasting Money on Media Manipulation Campaigns for European Inventor Award | TechrightsJun 20 03:33
techrights-bot/fnReminder that some #patents mean deaths to millions. https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/industry/vaccine-diplomacy-adds-fresh-layer-to-indo-us-ties/80614788 #patent #monopolyJun 20 03:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-health.economictimes.indiatimes.com | Vaccine diplomacy adds fresh layer to Indo-US ties, Health News, ET HealthWorldJun 20 03:34
techrights-bot/fnIt is getting easier to catalogue (in the past few days) which publishers are the latest recipients of #EPO #bribesJun 20 03:38
techrights-bot/fn#Euronews is a corrupt publication that takes #bribes from criminals in exchange for puff pieces. #corruption #epoJun 20 03:39
techrights-bot/fn"The #patent in question is dated on the 12th day of August, 1820." Back when #patent weren't granted by the MILLIONS just to enrich 3LITIGATION firms https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/thompson-haight-1040.htmlJun 20 03:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Thompson v. Haight, 23 F.Cas. 1040 (S.D.N.Y. 1826) | Patently-OJun 20 03:42
techrights-bot/fnThese #EPO 'awards' for #patent holders have turned into #reputationlaundering and #marketing stunts, sometimes at the expense of people's lives http://techrights.org/2018/05/04/theranos-epo-fraud/Jun 20 03:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Elizabeth Holmes Charged With โ€œMassive Fraudโ€ and Team Battistelli Rushes to Distance Itself From Her | TechrightsJun 20 03:44
techrights-bot/fn"AYE PEE" is totally meaningless in this context. The buzzwords salad is running dry... http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/guest-post-nft-implications-for-ip-case.htmlJun 20 03:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Guest post: NFT implications for IP: A case study on 'Morons' - The IPKatJun 20 03:46
techrights-bot/fnLess than a day ago #IBM processed a request for removal (from its hate letter) โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/github-hate-letter-and-ibm/ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/github-hate-letter-and-ibm/Jun 20 03:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IBM Handles More Removals of Signatures From Its Hate Letter Against Richard Stallman | TechrightsJun 20 03:47
techrights-bot/fn#EPO : criminals who reward other criminals. Old: #Theranos in the headlines againโ€ฆ as the EPO tries to distance itself from its previous association with #ElizabethHolmes http://techrights.org/2018/05/04/theranos-epo-fraud/Jun 20 03:47
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CheapAzzGamer/status/1406042554542571530Jun 20 03:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@CheapAzzGamer: @Nayal31916248 @AlexxBlond @PS5only https://t.co/1kOznIY8vD you should read this from a former employee itโ€™s not that old at all.Jun 20 03:49
techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–†โ–†โ–†โ–‡โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–‡โ–†โ–‡โ–‡โ–†โ–…โ–ƒโ–ˆโ–†โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–„โ–†โ–‡โ–‡โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–„โ– avg(k/sec) 34.20 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ– avg(k/sec) 19.71โ–• swarm size (avg): 301.83  โŸฒJun 20 03:59
MinceRlol @ dropping steve jobs into thatJun 20 03:59
schestowitzwhere?Jun 20 04:00
MinceRnvmJun 20 04:00
schestowitznvm :-)Jun 20 04:00
schestowitzdoes it run on a mac?Jun 20 04:00
MinceRi didn't even see the tweet linked to, because it didn't scroll thereJun 20 04:00
MinceRbut now i doJun 20 04:00
schestowitzNode Version Manager and othersJun 20 04:00
MinceRNon-Volatile Memory?Jun 20 04:01
schestowitzthat tooJun 20 04:02
schestowitzand old software I cannot find anymoreJun 20 04:02
schestowitzcirca 2000-2005Jun 20 04:02
schestowitzor never mind p)Jun 20 04:02
MinceR:>Jun 20 04:02
schestowitzI'm amazed people still talk about Steve BlowsJun 20 04:03
schestowitzImagine how long people would speak about Bill EpsteinJun 20 04:03
schestowitzafter he hangs himself or somethingJun 20 04:03
MinceR:>Jun 20 04:03
schestowitzseems Microsoft threw this vapourware to disractJun 20 04:03
schestowitzmaybe the Board changesJun 20 04:03
schestowitzwith Nadella and ThompsonJun 20 04:03
schestowitzmaybe there's even an indictment on the way, who knows...Jun 20 04:04
schestowitzit's NOT impossibleJun 20 04:04
schestowitzafter the media already took teh wind out of his micro-soft 'sails'Jun 20 04:04
schestowitzI might even get  TV to watch thatJun 20 04:04
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/Bill_Gates_DepositionJun 20 04:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bill Gates Deposition - TechrightsJun 20 04:04
schestowitznice addition to the online collectionJun 20 04:04
schestowitz"what do you mean by 'board the plane'?"Jun 20 04:05
schestowitz"read me the other definition of bribe" (on MIT money)Jun 20 04:06
schestowitz"no, rick was my Internet Exploder"Jun 20 04:06
schestowitzhe explodedJun 20 04:06
schestowitz80% of the timeJun 20 04:07
schestowitzaccording to himJun 20 04:07
techrights-bot/fn#Techrights Bulletin for Saturday, June 19, 2021 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintextJun 20 04:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Bulletin ArchivesJun 20 04:07
techrights-bot/fn#Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharingJun 20 04:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Techrights Full IPFS IndexJun 20 04:08
activelowbefore i forget this again: introduction of IPv6 is bundled with carrier grade NAT often, and lock-in to specific routers provided by ISPsJun 20 04:10
techrights-bot/fnI think #curl should add #geminiProtocol support. #wget has w for #www but curl has not.Jun 20 04:10
schestowitzactivelow: you can reprogramme the LANJun 20 04:11
schestowitzor NATJun 20 04:11
activelowISPs seeked to their customers signing contracts which permits the ISP to implement carrier grade NAT (CGN), which leaves a customer without a public IPv4Jun 20 04:11
schestowitzfor now we still have one IPv4 addressJun 20 04:12
schestowitzwithout it, we'd change ISPJun 20 04:12
activelowvodaphone tried with me here, offering faster internet at a discount, then checked the contract for details (which required a microscope to read the tiny text)Jun 20 04:12
schestowitzright now we use 5 ip addressesJun 20 04:12
schestowitztuxmachines, irc, techrights, gemini/ipfs, and hvJun 20 04:13
schestowitzall ipv4Jun 20 04:13
activelowok. i was thinking about this in general what happened when ISPs began to lock out various people from IPv4Jun 20 04:13
schestowitzbut we change that soon as IANA wants some addresses back if I understand correctylyJun 20 04:13
schestowitzipv4 is justified away using internet of "shit"Jun 20 04:14
schestowitzthings like cameras with public-facing ipJun 20 04:14
activelowpublic-facing ip? never heard of that.Jun 20 04:16
DaemonFChttps://wgntv.com/weather/weather-blog/the-three-waves-of-june-1954-cool-heat-and-killer/Jun 20 04:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-wgntv.com | The three waves of June 1954โ€”Cool, heat and killer | WGN-TVJun 20 04:16
DaemonFCOut of the five warmest Junes in Chicago, only one of them has been in the 21st century. Same for ones with 90 degree plus days.Jun 20 04:16
DaemonFCThe worst one was in 1954.Jun 20 04:17
DaemonFCSo much for global warming.Jun 20 04:17
DaemonFCIt should generally get worse everywhere, right?Jun 20 04:18
activelowstrange, in germany temperature anomalies surpassed 10ยฐC already, early summer season with Sahara temperatures and tropical nightsJun 20 04:18
activelowwhen i was a child early summer season was ~10ยฐC coolerJun 20 04:19
activelowanyway, alongside the stragy to cripple customers access lines Microsoft aggressively markets Teams, another power grab what was formerly under control by TelcoJun 20 04:25
activelowironically "privatization of Telecom" implemented by EU intended to prevent monopolies such as Microsoft, Facebook, etcJun 20 04:26
activelow*strategyJun 20 04:27
activelowcustomers' access lines are crippled by low uplink data rates, lack of static IPv4, requirement for DynDNS, carrier grade NATJun 20 04:30
activelowinstead of hosting their own little web sites private customers upload their nonsense to Facebook, Github etc.Jun 20 04:32
DaemonFC2012 had a really bad drought and it got extremely hot in August.Jun 20 04:32
DaemonFCI went to Aldi for groceries and looked like I got out of a swimming pool by the time I loaded the car up and got in.Jun 20 04:32
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/irc-networks-fight.pngJun 20 04:35
activelowIPv6 is dangerous, it won't repair the cluster*** BGP routing tables (link i posted few hours ago), and the "dual stackJun 20 04:35
activelow", in fact with the extended address space BGP routing tables could blow up beyond repair even furtherJun 20 04:37
schestowitzMinceR:  DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/meme-irc-wars-in-a-nutshell/Jun 20 04:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IRC Wars in a Nutshell | TechrightsJun 20 04:37
schestowitzonly one paragraph againJun 20 04:37
activelowcarrier grade NAT is an attack on "network neutrality", potentially preventing self-hosting (including IPv4) in the futureJun 20 04:40
activelowpolitically it was prepared for already to sanction anything which remained outside control of governmental institutions and their sponsorsJun 20 04:41
DaemonFC" has just ousted himself as a huge Donald Trump supporter"Jun 20 04:42
DaemonFCousted himself?Jun 20 04:42
schestowitzoutedJun 20 04:43
techrights-bot/fn[Meme] #IRC Wars in a Nutshell โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/meme-irc-wars-in-a-nutshell/ ไท‰ #Techrights #freenode #libreaChat #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/meme-irc-wars-in-a-nutshell/Jun 20 04:46
DaemonFCLibera Chat is Stone Cold Steve Austin?Jun 20 04:58
techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–†โ–‡โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–„โ–‡โ–โ–†โ–ƒโ–„โ–โ–‚โ–„โ–„โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–†โ–„โ–ƒโ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 24.61 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–ƒโ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‡โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–ˆโ–ƒโ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 39.56โ–• swarm size (avg): 301.76  โŸฒJun 20 04:59
schestowitzdoes not matter which is whichJun 20 05:04
schestowitzthe point was, they're both thugsJun 20 05:04
schestowitzthey both look to have power over youJun 20 05:04
schestowitzbut they don't say that upfrontJun 20 05:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: can you read another one?Jun 20 05:05
DaemonFCSure.Jun 20 05:06
DaemonFCI think a lot of things when I think mjg59. Stone Cold Steve Austin is not one of them.Jun 20 05:07
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2021/06/19/saner-patent-system-in-europe/Jun 20 05:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | We Need and Deserve a Saner Patent System in Europe | TechrightsJun 20 05:07
schestowitzthanksJun 20 05:07
schestowitzDaemonFC: a 120-pound manJun 20 05:07
schestowitzversus a man twice his sizeJun 20 05:07
schestowitzDaemonFC: check the above, this is what we really need to focus onJun 20 05:08
schestowitznot how to cancel political 'enemies'Jun 20 05:08
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RGmBwaTuz0Jun 20 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Bernie Sanders: We're Tired Of Hearing About Clinton's 'Damn Emails' - YouTubeJun 20 05:08
schestowitzbut to cancel swpats and corporations that lobby for themJun 20 05:08
DaemonFC"he patent law firms and patent media"Jun 20 05:10
DaemonFCfirms, andJun 20 05:10
schestowitzfixedJun 20 05:10
schestowitzI knew you'd say thatJun 20 05:10
schestowitzyou love "Oxford Comma"Jun 20 05:10
DaemonFCI do. Much of that was because of the Supreme Court case that changed the meaning of a Maine labor law because the state legislature forgot to include one, resulting in more overtime pay for some workers.Jun 20 05:11
DaemonFC"understandably grows impatient (at least people who are sufficiently informed; the criminals have already intimidated and bribed a lot of the media and theyโ€™re still bribing more of it, as we shall demonstrate later today)"Jun 20 05:13
DaemonFCimpatient. (At least the people[...]Jun 20 05:13
schestowitzI try not to use full stops in summaries :-)Jun 20 05:14
schestowitzrefresh pageJun 20 05:14
schestowitzI corrected a bitJun 20 05:14
DaemonFC"Weโ€™ve meanwhile seen"Jun 20 05:15
DaemonFCMeanwhile, we've seenJun 20 05:15
DaemonFCSounds better in my head.Jun 20 05:15
DaemonFC"sent out mails"?Jun 20 05:16
DaemonFCThe plural of mail is usually mail.Jun 20 05:16
schestowitzamendedJun 20 05:17
DaemonFCThe rest looks okay.Jun 20 05:17
schestowitzthanks, done!Jun 20 05:19
DaemonFCI liked the Oxford Comma case because it was a warning from the court that they aren't going to be kind to lawmakers who get sloppy when they're writing the law and then fix the meaning for them later.Jun 20 05:19
schestowitzI will do a video related to tis laterJun 20 05:19
DaemonFCIn the Obamacare case, they drifted from that though, in order to uphold the subsidies in states that declined to run a marketplace.Jun 20 05:19
techrights-bot/fnWe Need and Deserve a Saner #Patent System in #Europe http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/saner-patent-system-in-europe/ #swpats #ffii #epoJun 20 05:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | We Need and Deserve a Saner Patent System in Europe | TechrightsJun 20 05:20
activelowgood nightJun 20 05:20
DaemonFCHad they gone with the intent of Congress and the meaning of the word "state" to be "a state government in the United States", then the federal government could have oeprated marketplaces in those states that chose not to operate one, but they couldn't have paid out subsidies.Jun 20 05:21
DaemonFCIt seems to me to be fairly bizarre that, essentially, what Texas was saying was, "Please tax our residents and then don't give them any help buying health insurance.", but it seems that what they wanted was a follow up of "And now we're being harmed because we're paying taxes and not benefiting from this law.".Jun 20 05:22
DaemonFCThey desperately want standing to sue, they can't get it because they're not being treated any differently by the law's formula than any other state, so they had to bootstrap some demonstrable harm.Jun 20 05:22
DaemonFCAnd the Supreme Court wouldn't give it to them.Jun 20 05:23
DaemonFCIf they can knock it down in court, they don't have to compromise with anyone about what comes next. You'll get whatever a bunch of right-wing hardliners in the Senate offer you or nothing. Probably nothing.Jun 20 05:24
schestowitz[17:53] <schestowitz> Re: british judges at G1/21Jun 20 05:24
schestowitz[17:53] <schestowitz> > Hi,Jun 20 05:24
schestowitz[17:53] <schestowitz> > Jun 20 05:24
schestowitz[17:53] <schestowitz> > Do you know what this british patent judge was doing at the videoconf on G1/21?Jun 20 05:24
DaemonFCWhat surprises me is they've failed to attack it at the Supreme Court half a dozen times now and they're still going.Jun 20 05:24
schestowitz[17:53] <schestowitz> > Jun 20 05:24
schestowitz[17:53] <schestowitz> > Is he member of the EBOA now?Jun 20 05:24
schestowitz[17:53] <schestowitz> > Jun 20 05:24
schestowitz[17:53] <schestowitz> > Lord Justice Arnold:Jun 20 05:24
schestowitz[17:53] <schestowitz> > Jun 20 05:24
schestowitz[17:53] <schestowitz> > https://twitter.com/zoobab/status/1398176592099217412/photo/1Jun 20 05:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: EPO Kangaroo Pseudo Courts discussing how to revoke biased judges. Now stopping the streaming to discuss things offโ€ฆ https://t.co/9oFilbxiktJun 20 05:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@zoobab: EPO Kangaroo Pseudo Courts discussing how to revoke biased judges. Now stopping the streaming to discuss things offโ€ฆ https://t.co/9oFilbxiktJun 20 05:24
schestowitz[17:53] <schestowitz> We will write about him this weekend.Jun 20 05:24
DaemonFCIn fact, gauging the direction the court is moving in, they're getting further from their goal. It was 5-4 before Trump appointed anyone and the latest was 7-2 against overturning the law.Jun 20 05:25
DaemonFCThe EU is moving more towards software patents while the US is inching further away from them.Jun 20 05:26
DaemonFCSome of the damage here is mainly that they're crap. They are overly broad and fail to state a claim. They could mean anything when you go to court.Jun 20 05:27
DaemonFCschestowitz, The patent system is bad in other ways.Jun 20 05:28
DaemonFCHow do you have 7 patents on a water pitcher filter? People have been using them since the 1980s.Jun 20 05:28
DaemonFCFor that matter, how do you patent the pitcher itself 4 times?Jun 20 05:28
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I sent an email to Brita asking if their filters would fit in compatible third party filters and they sent me back a response that basically said the NSF testing was only valid if you used a Brita filter in a Brita pitcher.Jun 20 05:30
DaemonFCI plugged one into a Great Value pitcher that was designed to use Walmart's Brita-compatible filters, and it fit with no leaks or anything.Jun 20 05:30
DaemonFCThey put out all this damned plastic. The market is so saturated with old Brita pitchers they're in every thrift store for like $2-3.Jun 20 05:31
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techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–‡โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–‡โ–…โ–‡โ–†โ–…โ–‡โ–‡โ–‡โ–„โ–ƒโ–†โ–‚โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–‡โ–†โ–„โ–„โ–†โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–‡โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 28.38 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–โ–ƒโ–โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ– avg(k/sec) 49.03โ–• swarm size (avg): 302.10  โŸฒJun 20 05:59
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DaemonFCGrubHub observes Juneteenth. LOLJun 20 06:07
DaemonFCA shitty gig economy app that costs their drivers as much in gas and wear on their car as they make.Jun 20 06:07
DaemonFCschestowitz, It seems that with the domestic abuse warrant out on him, the only place Austin found to work that doesn't care is grubhub.Jun 20 06:08
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DaemonFCWell, they are designed to slowly pressure you into turning yourself in.Jun 20 06:08
DaemonFCI could have told him that.Jun 20 06:08
DaemonFCTrying to beat a warrant is like when you're a kid and your parents are coming to give you the belt, so you hide in a bush, and you might buy yourself a few minutes, but they'll get you.Jun 20 06:09
DaemonFCVery few people pull it off unless they're just so rich that there's no way to pressure them with leases and jobs and stuff.Jun 20 06:12
DaemonFCI was reading about Phil Katz, the guy who wrote PKZip.Jun 20 06:13
DaemonFCThey had a bunch of warrants and failure to appear citations on him. So he pretty much went underground and started running the company by email, in the 90s.Jun 20 06:13
DaemonFCHe checked into a motel and started paying cash and paid a stripper to drive him around to run his errands. Jun 20 06:14
DaemonFCMinceR, It's bad here. It's like actual communists went around naming things too.Jun 20 06:22
DaemonFCLike, the unemployment office in a state with the worst unemployment in America is the Department of Employment Security.Jun 20 06:23
DaemonFChttps://chicago.suntimes.com/movies-and-tv/2021/6/18/22538880/10-great-lgbtq-movies-best-films-brokeback-mountain-tangerine-portrait-lady-fire-moonlight-milkJun 20 06:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chicago.suntimes.com | 10 great LGBTQ+ movies, from โ€˜The Boys in the Bandโ€™ to a โ€˜Lady on Fireโ€™ - Chicago Sun-TimesJun 20 06:31
DaemonFCMinceR, I'd include Stargate on that one just because it had Jaye Davidson as Ra.Jun 20 06:31
DaemonFCRa wasn't a very exceptional Goa'uld though. He'd been living the same way for thousands of years and seemed to be barely self-aware.Jun 20 06:32
DaemonFCIt didn't establish in the movie exactly what they were though. It was SG-1 that turned them into a brain parasite.Jun 20 06:33
DaemonFCThe movie led the audience to think of them as some sort of energy being that possessed a host.Jun 20 06:33
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techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–‡โ–†โ–ƒโ–†โ–†โ–‚โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–‡โ–†โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–„โ–‡โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–†โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 29.80 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 17.43โ–• swarm size (avg): 302.36  โŸฒJun 20 06:59
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techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #Figbert #Debian โ˜ž The Wrong Way to Switch Operating Systems on Your Server https://figbert.com/posts/wrong-way-to-switch-server-os/Jun 20 07:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The Wrong Way to Switch Operating Systems on Your Server :: FIGBERTJun 20 07:15
techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #PeterMalmgren #Shell โ˜ž Cool things I learned about Bash this week https://petermalmgren.com/bash-things-i-learned/Jun 20 07:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-petermalmgren.com | Cool things I learned about Bash this week - Peter MalmgrenJun 20 07:16
techrights-bot/fnIn terms of large #IRC networks, weโ€™re in trouble (unless we self-host) because they seem to be dividing themselves along political lines rather than anything technical or something of an on-topic/relevant substance. โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/meme-irc-wars-in-a-nutshell/ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: <clipped message>Jun 20 07:17
techrights-bot/fn gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06Jun 20 07:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | [Meme] IRC Wars in a Nutshell | TechrightsJun 20 07:17
techrights-bot/fnThe laughing stock that the #patent system, the patent #law firms, and patent media became (over the past few years) must be replaced โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/saner-patent-system-in-europe/ ไท‰ #Techrights #EPO #patents | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/19/saner-patent-system-in-europe/Jun 20 07:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | We Need and Deserve a Saner Patent System in Europe | TechrightsJun 20 07:18
techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–ˆโ–‡โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–‡โ–‡โ–†โ–‡โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–†โ–†โ–†โ–‡โ–ƒโ–„โ–‡โ–†โ–โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 31.30 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ– avg(k/sec) 33.80โ–• swarm size (avg): 302.57  โŸฒJun 20 07:59
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psydroidXRevan86, it seems to be about 0.97 GB now, if you are referring to logs. But I can easily get back those up and get rid of them, if needed.Jun 20 08:16
psydroidOn my older phones I had to delete everything from time to time, because Conversations tended to become slowJun 20 08:16
techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #TorrentFreak #copyright #copyrights โ˜ž #vista11 : #Microsoft Slowly Starts Taking Down Leaked ISO https://torrentfreak.com/windows-11-microsoft-slowly-starts-taking-down-leaked-iso-210619/ fake 'leaks' for hype, PR, distractionJun 20 08:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Windows 11: Microsoft Slowly Starts Taking Down Leaked ISO * TorrentFreakJun 20 08:26
techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #IndiaTimes #Surveillance #Privacy โ˜ž New Indian IT Rules do not conform with international norms: #UN Special Rapporteurs https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/government-policy/new-indian-it-rules-do-not-conform-with-international-norms-un-special-rapporteurs/83662708Jun 20 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com | new IT rules: New Indian IT Rules do not conform with international norms: UN Special Rapporteurs, IT News, ET CIOJun 20 08:34
techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #TheVerge #Surveillance #Privacy โ˜ž #Facialrecognition software used to verify unemployment recipients reportedly doesnโ€™t work well https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/19/22541427/facial-recognition-software-verify-unemployment-benefits-id-meJun 20 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com | Facial recognition software used to verify unemployment recipients reportedly doesnโ€™t work well - The VergeJun 20 08:34
techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #Vice #Surveillance #Privacy โ˜ž #FacialRecognition Failures Are Locking People Out of Unemployment Systems https://www.vice.com/en/article/5dbywn/facial-recognition-failures-are-locking-people-out-of-unemployment-systemsJun 20 08:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.vice.com | Facial Recognition Failures Are Locking People Out of Unemployment SystemsJun 20 08:34
techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #TheEconomist #ProprietarySoftware โ˜ž #Ransomware highlights the challenges and subtleties of cybersecurity https://www.economist.com/briefing/2021/06/19/ransomware-highlights-the-challenges-and-subtleties-of-cybersecurityJun 20 08:36
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techrights-bot/fnBest Free Android Apps: Pure Writer โ€“ plain text editor โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152479Jun 20 08:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Best Free Android Apps: Pure Writer โ€“ plain text editor | Tux MachinesJun 20 08:40
techrights-bot/fn#Google #Android Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152480 #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 20 08:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 20 08:42
psydroidIs that whole PR operation going to change anything about the decline of that operating system?Jun 20 08:45
psydroidI saw ads for Chromebooks on billboards last weekJun 20 08:46
techrights-bot/fn#Microsoft #Windows TCO: โ— #Vox #Politics โ˜ž What you need to know about #ransomware and the future of cyberattacks https://www.vox.com/recode/22527272/ransomware-cyberattacks-bitcoin-explainedJun 20 08:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Ransomware: How bitcoin, the pandemic, and Russia made the attacks worse - VoxJun 20 08:55
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techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #TheWire #Censorship #India โ˜ž #Modi Government Wants Super-Censor Powers to Order Cuts in Films https://thewire.in/government/centre-seeks-public-comments-on-draft-cinematograph-amendment-bill-by-july-2Jun 20 08:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-thewire.in | Modi Government Wants Super-Censor Powers to Order Cuts in FilmsJun 20 08:57
techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #Bloomberg #Censorship โ˜ž Why #FreeSpeech on the Internet Isnโ€™t Free for All https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-19/why-free-speech-on-the-internet-isn-t-free-for-all-quicktakeJun 20 08:57
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techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #TheVerge #Censorship โ˜ž #Facebook to update its community standards to clarify what it considers #satire https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/19/22541349/facebook-update-community-standards-satire-oversight-boardJun 20 08:57
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techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #TheTelegraphUK #uk โ˜ž Judges may be freed from European human rights rulings https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/06/19/exclusive-judges-may-freed-european-human-rights-rulings/Jun 20 08:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.telegraph.co.uk | Judges may be freed from European human rights rulingsJun 20 08:58
techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–ƒโ–„โ–†โ–‡โ–…โ–โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–†โ–…โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ–†โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ–†โ–‡โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 22.70 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ– avg(k/sec) 51.90โ–• swarm size (avg): 301.87  โŸฒJun 20 08:59
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techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #Techdirt #china #cn โ˜ž Chinese Government Continues To Arrest More Journalists Over Nonsense 'National Security' Law https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20210617/09541947007/chinese-government-continues-to-arrest-more-journalists-over-nonsense-national-security-law.shtmlJun 20 09:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Chinese Government Continues To Arrest More Journalists Over Nonsense 'National Security' Law | TechdirtJun 20 09:01
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techrights-bot/fniophk: "why is only #TheFail covering this topic regularly, or at all? And even they don't call out the judge's failings" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9704075/Julian-Assanges-fianc-e-Stella-Moris-calls-incarceration-prison-intolerable-grotesque.htmlJun 20 09:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dailymail.co.uk | Julian Assange's fiancรฉe Stella Moris calls his incarceration in prison 'intolerable and grotesque' | Daily Mail OnlineJun 20 09:26
techrights-bot/fn#Microsoft omitted, wrongly https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-18/antitrust-bills-have-some-democrats-asking-pelosi-to-slow-downJun 20 09:27
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techrights-bot/fn#billgates #epstein #mediaSilence https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/06/16/jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-uk-investigation/ iophk: #corporatepress is inappropriately quiet about Bill's connections to EpsteinJun 20 09:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.washingtonpost.com | Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein implicated in fresh abuse claims in Channel 4 report - The Washington PostJun 20 09:29
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techrights-bot/fnโ— NEWS โ— #TruthOut #Hardware โ˜ž K Street Sets Sights on New Semiconductor Policy Amid Global Shortage https://truthout.org/articles/k-street-sets-sights-on-new-semiconductor-policy-amid-global-shortage/Jun 20 09:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-truthout.org | K Street Sets Sights on New Semiconductor Policy Amid Global ShortageJun 20 09:31
techrights-bot/fnChanges in #IRC and New Features Over #GeminiProtocol or the #WorldWideWeb http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/irc-scrolling-backwards/ #techrightsJun 20 09:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Changes in IRC and New Features Over Gemini Protocol or the World Wide Web | TechrightsJun 20 09:37
techrights-bot/fn"There's no reason we all have to visit the same ten websites as each other every day, support the little guys" https://chaos.social/@ak/106374751595066691Jun 20 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Abigail K ๐ŸŒผ: "I'm no techie, but if "major websites" are down tโ€ฆ" - chaos.socialJun 20 09:58
techrights-bot/fn"This is utterly ridiculous. If IT is too complex to be handled by reasonably competent staff, than the answer can't be "we give it only to experts that rob us", but to provide better tools that people can handle and are still secure.' https://microblog.shivering-isles.com/@sheogorath/106428095490638126Jun 20 09:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-microblog.shivering-isles.com | Sheogorath :si_blobfox:: "This is utterly ridiculous. If IT is too complex โ€ฆ" - Sheogorath's MicroblogJun 20 09:58
techrights-bot/fn"The new PoE+ HAT has some issues, like using almost twice as much power for its own operation as the original PoE HAT." https://youtu.be/XZ08QKAbBoU?t=53sJun 20 09:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Raspberry Pi's new PoE+ HAT uses too much power! - YouTubeJun 20 09:59
techrights-bot/fn"I'm not shocked by a glimpse of areola or swinging dick or sex really of any kind, but what shocks me incessantly now is ruinous, compassionless, and truly inhumane behavior of so many to so many." http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2021/06/the-trendy-and.htmlJun 20 10:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 403 @ http://www.advicegoddess.com/archives/2021/06/the-trendy-and.html )Jun 20 10:00
techrights-bot/fn#russia #espionage https://www.salon.com/2021/06/18/retired-general-russians-will-soon-leak-intel-they-used-to-control-trump_partner/Jun 20 10:00
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techrights-bot/fn#pinephone https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=es&u=https://masgnulinux.es/de-vuelta-con-el-pinephone/Jun 20 10:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-translate.google.com | Google TranslateJun 20 10:01
techrights-bot/fn"They did it. And with "they", I do mean #freenode. They actually did it. Their decline was too slow so they helped it." https://fosstodon.org/@yarmo/106413476183752091Jun 20 10:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-fosstodon.org | Yarmo: "https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/ They did it. And โ€ฆ" - FosstodonJun 20 10:02
techrights-bot/fn#police #weapons #thugs https://mamot.fr/@jz/106439648856645757Jun 20 10:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mamot.fr | Jรฉrรฉmie Zimmermann๐ŸŽถ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿง€๐Ÿง‰: "In which country police sends grenades and tear gโ€ฆ" - La Quadrature du Net - Mastodon - Media FรฉdรฉrรฉJun 20 10:02
techrights-bot/fn#perl #perl5 #RakuLang https://bsd.network/@AFresh1/106400536650131758Jun 20 10:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bsd.network | Andrew Hewus Fresh: "oooh, #TPRCiC talks are on YouTube now. #perl โ€ฆ" - BSD NetworkJun 20 10:03
techrights-bot/fnWe examine more closely some of the latest changes in the site and the capsule (Web and Gemini, respectively); we show that itโ€™s possible to keep abreast of #IRC using nothing but a text editor, a Gemini clientโ€ฆ or even the command line alone โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/irc-scrolling-backwards/ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #Free <clipped message>Jun 20 10:13
techrights-bot/fnSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini://geminJun 20 10:13
techrights-bot/fn๐•‹๐•–๐•”๐•™๐•ฃ๐•š๐•˜๐•™๐•ฅ๐•ค #IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 19, 2021 โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/irc-log-190621/ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/20/irc-log-190621/Jun 20 10:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | IRC Proceedings: Saturday, June 19, 2021 | TechrightsJun 20 10:29
techrights-bot/fn#EPO : Fake #Patents , Fake (Paid-for) #Patent Coverage, and Fake Awards for Public Relations Purposes http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/epo-awards-smokescreening/ #europe #upcJun 20 10:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO: Fake Patents, Fake (Paid-for) Patent Coverage, and Fake Awards for Public Relations Purposes | TechrightsJun 20 10:37
XRevan86psydroid: https://github.com/iNPUTmice/Conversations/pull/4102 https://paste.debian.net/hidden/69e86327 it really did tend to become slow, I fixed that :), ye didn't have to remove that data.Jun 20 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Make the fulltext index for search more efficient by XRevan86 ยท Pull Request #4102 ยท iNPUTmice/Conversations ยท GitHubJun 20 10:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian PastezoneJun 20 10:40
schestowitzXRevan86: :-)Jun 20 10:42
XRevan86The latter is SQL queries to get the database to that nice state.Jun 20 10:42
XRevan86Maybe setting the paste to expire in a few months wasn't that wise.Jun 20 10:44
schestowitz[10:44] <schestowitz> I've just nudged out the IRC blog post of today ("Missed Schedule"). I wanted to ask, do you want to have a go at making a substitute to Google News, limited to tech issues. TuxMachines already has a good starting point:  http://tuxmachines.org/aggregator/sources  basically, seeing how bad the media became and how neglected Google News is (lots of noise, plagiarism, and spam), competition will be easierJun 20 10:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-tuxmachines.org | News Feeds | Tux MachinesJun 20 10:45
schestowitzdoes anyone wish to help?Jun 20 10:45
schestowitzif we're to make an alternative to Google News?Jun 20 10:45
schestowitzLike search of real-time/very recent tech newsJun 20 10:45
schestowitzsans the spying and monopoly?Jun 20 10:45
schestowitzit's something that is sorely neededJun 20 10:45
techrights-bot/fnVirtual Injustice -- Part 13 due tonight. #epo #corruption must be exposed and by all means, please ensure everyone in #europe is made aware of it. EPO BRIBES a lot of publishers to cover up these crimes. #patentsJun 20 10:50
psydroidXRevan86, it was on my old phone(s) anyway, I haven't encountered such a problem on this one thanks to your fix :)Jun 20 10:55
psydroidOh, it hasn't been merged yet?Jun 20 10:56
XRevan86psydroid: It hasn't, still waiting. It's already useful though.Jun 20 10:59
techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–ƒโ–„โ–„โ–‚โ–‡โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–†โ–„โ–†โ–…โ–‡โ–ƒโ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–‡โ–‚โ–‡โ–…โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 25.81 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ–ƒโ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ˆโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 47.83โ–• swarm size (avg): 301.71  โŸฒJun 20 10:59
XRevan86psydroid: It means that your device is powerful enough to get away with full table scans all the time :)Jun 20 10:59
psydroidOh, great :)Jun 20 11:00
XRevan86psydroid: Regarding it not being merged, I don't know what's the hold up, but I'm not worried, I don't think iNPUTmice will make a new release without it.Jun 20 11:06
XRevan86He's aware of what it does.Jun 20 11:07
techrights-bot/fnThe media has been thoroughly corrupted, patent legitimacy has been severely damaged (far too many European Patents arenโ€™t in compliance with the EPC anymore), and Team #UPC is trying to undermine the #EPC and turn Europe into another #Texas โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/epo-awards-smokescreening/ ไท‰ #Techrights | โ™พ Gemini addre <clipped message>Jun 20 11:10
techrights-bot/fnss: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021Jun 20 11:10
techrights-bot/fn"IPWatchdog and CAS and will be offering a webinar" (link omitted). #patent zealots meet for #lobbying / commercials and "no registration fee for this webinar." Because indoctrination and lies are cheap. #patents #watchtrollJun 20 11:16
techrights-bot/fnClear and overt misuse of words like "rights" in relation to #monopolies on plants, seeds, and animals (life) as if they are inventions https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=676d5370-6544-40f0-9179-dfc7c1fa931eJun 20 11:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Protection of plant varieties under plant breeders' rights - LexologyJun 20 11:18
techrights-bot/fnInappropriate term, "IP". What #USPTO deals with is limited to #patents and #trademarks , nothing called "IP". Can we stop this #propaganda drive? It's not property. https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/uspto-webinar-on-china-ip.htmlJun 20 11:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.patentdocs.org | Patent Docs: USPTO Webinar on China IPJun 20 11:20
techrights-bot/fn#greenwashing + #patent #monopolies + #epo #corruption (patents granted on almost anything!) = https://www.steelorbis.com/steel-news/latest-news/voestalpine-announces-patent-for-carbon_neutral-sponge-iron-production-1204238.htmJun 20 11:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.steelorbis.com | Voestalpine announces patent for carbon-neutral sponge iron productionJun 20 11:22
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techrights-bot/fn#Patents that limit access to #cancer prevention/mitigation again https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/SCANDINAVIAN-CHEMOTECH-AB-61747375/news/Scandinavian-ChemoTech-nbsp-receives-approval-from-the-European-Patent-Office-35631358/ see http://techrights.org/2015/12/26/epo-and-cancer/Jun 20 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Scandinavian ChemoTechย : receives approval from the European Patent Office | MarketScreenerJun 20 11:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Insensitivity at the EPOโ€™s Management โ€“ Part II: Patent Office as a Cancer | TechrightsJun 20 11:24
techrights-bot/fnThese #patents are bunk, but the law firms make money even when their clients pursue patently #fakepatents https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/how-to-patent-software-and-computer-8673081/ #swpatsJun 20 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-How To Patent Software And Computer-Implemented Business Methods In The US And Abroad | Fox Rothschild LLP - JDSupraJun 20 11:25
techrights-bot/fnThis Week in Linux 156: #elementaryOS 6.0, JingPad A1, Pine64, Windows 11 Leaked? - TuxDigital โš“ https://tuxdigital.com/2021/06/thisweekinlinux-156/ ไท‰ #TuxDigital #GNU #Linux | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latestJun 20 11:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-156: elementary OS 6.0, JingPad A1, Pine64, Windows 11 Leaked? | This Week in Linux - TuxDigitalJun 20 11:29
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techrights-bot/fn#ibm #ProprietarySoftware #security holes https://marketresearchtelecast.com/security-updates-for-ibm-db2-and-aix-close-loopholes/78907/Jun 20 11:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-marketresearchtelecast.com | Security updates for IBM Db2 and AIX close loopholes - Market Research TelecastJun 20 11:30
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techrights-bot/fnThe Ultimate Alternatives To Blender. https://ventsmagazine.com/2021/06/19/the-ultimate-alternatives-to-blender/ #blender3d #freeswJun 20 11:33
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techrights-bot/fn#Programming for clowns, as the buzzwords du jour certainly determine what sort of coding environment is most suitable or 'trendy'? The Best Cloud Computing Programming Languages To LearnJun 20 11:35
techrights-bot/fnThis is the #clowncomputing nonsense I was alluding to... https://hackernoon.com/the-best-cloud-computing-programming-languages-to-learn-hf32378yJun 20 11:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackernoon.com | The Best Cloud Computing Programming Languages To Learn | Hacker NoonJun 20 11:35
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techrights-bot/fnThe death business is a growing sector or growth area in the US. STOP BEING POOR! GO KILL PEOPLE! https://www.nationofchange.org/2021/06/18/unknown-soldiers-americas-secret-privatized-army/Jun 20 11:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.nationofchange.org | Unknown soldiers: Americaโ€™s secret, privatized army - NationofChangeJun 20 11:37
techrights-bot/fnDidn't imagine I'd see #patents being referred to as #techrights (well, #patent monopolies are NOT rights, but this article says "tech rights") https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/brief-stanford-professors-company-sues-oxford-institute-over-dna-tech-rights-2021-06-11/Jun 20 11:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-IN BRIEF: Stanford professorโ€™s company sues Oxford institute over DNA tech rights | ReutersJun 20 11:38
techrights-bot/fnBetter not to use such devices at all if you value #privacy ... they're a lost cause, by design. https://trabulsy4872.medium.com/yes-you-should-do-a-smartphone-cleanse-no-youll-never-get-free-of-your-smartphone-16975ffb1cd4Jun 20 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-trabulsy4872.medium.com | Yes You Should Do a Smartphone Cleanse. No Youโ€™ll Never Get Free of Your Smartphone. | by Raymond Trabulsy | Jun, 2021 | MediumJun 20 11:41
techrights-bot/fnThey should instead remove ALL #ProprietarySoftware with back doors, inc. everything with #windows in it https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/04/biden_admin_issues_ransomware_guidance/Jun 20 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theregister.com | Good news for pentesters and network admins: US issues ransomware guidance asking biz to skill up security teams โ€ข The RegisterJun 20 11:41
techrights-bot/fnDisadvantaged young people have no faith in exam grades appeals system, government warned โš“ https://inews.co.uk/news/education/disadvantaged-young-people-no-faith-exam-grades-appeals-system-government-warned-1061480 broken system, greedy system. Go back to basics....Jun 20 11:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-inews.co.uk | Disadvantaged young people have no faith in exam grades appeals system, government warnedJun 20 11:43
techrights-bot/fnRacist companies pretend to care about #racism https://kvia.com/news/business-technology/2021/06/19/companies-are-celebrating-juneteenth-in-unique-ways-this-week/ sometimes they more racist they are, the more likely they are to exploit/hijack/undermine such causes. #ibm for instance: http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/ibm-powered-purges/Jun 20 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Companies are celebrating Juneteenth in unique ways this week - KVIAJun 20 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Full Story (With References) of IBMโ€™s Role in a Purge of Black People and Mixed-Race Couples | TechrightsJun 20 11:44
techrights-bot/fn"A Microsoft spokesperson told The Register"... another #microsoft puff piece. A lost cause... http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/Jun 20 11:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The Fall of The Register | TechrightsJun 20 11:45
techrights-bot/fn" #Microsoft spokesperson" and "Chronic liar" are synonyms.Jun 20 11:46
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techrights-bot/fn"The software was made available in primary care e-Health facilities through the support of the SEED Project. Healthcare workers trained under the National Skills Qualifications Framework (NSQF) or certified by the National Skill Development Corporation (NSDC)" https://www.cnbctv18.com/healthcare/new-software-helps-identify-patients-likely-to-suffer-severe-covid-symptoms-govt-9714111.htmJun 20 11:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnbctv18.com | New Software Helps Identify Patients Likely To Suffer Severe Covid Symptoms: GovtJun 20 11:47
techrights-bot/fnDebian 10.10 released with latest security updatesDebian 10.10 released with latest security updates http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152468#comment-29999Jun 20 11:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Debian 10.10 release 202106191548 | Tux MachinesJun 20 11:50
techrights-bot/fnDo not let #linuxfoundation claim that the #gnu #linux operating system is turning 30 this year. It turns 38. http://techrights.org/2021/04/30/gnu-linux-turning-38/Jun 20 11:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Show Your Love for the GNU Operating System With These Banners | TechrightsJun 20 11:51
techrights-bot/fnThe #linuxfoundation sold "LINUX" to #microsoft https://www.greenbiz.com/article/future-climate-friendly-software see explanation in http://techrights.org/2021/05/31/linux-brand-killed-by-lf/ shame on #zemlin and the Sunshine Boys, who don't even USE LinuxJun 20 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-The future is climate-friendly software | GreenbizJun 20 11:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation Has Killed the Linux Brand (in Pursuit of Short-Term Profits) | TechrightsJun 20 11:53
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techrights-bot/fn#marketing trash and #propaganda vehicle #ZDNet now hyping up #6g #patent pool. If you care about truth and accuracy, you will #boycottZDNet because it makes you dumb and misled. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNetJun 20 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | ZDNet - TechrightsJun 20 11:54
techrights-bot/fn#TechCrunch joins the #corruptMedia and calls everything "HEY HI", even just some computer or some computer program. Link omitted ("Robotaxi apps on the rise, an AI pioneerโ€™s new startup and mobility event highlights").Jun 20 11:56
techrights-bot/fnRay Charles Foundation https://www.harlemworldmagazine.com/non-profit-goes-virtual-with-free-tutoring-and-summer-enrichment-for-students-from-harlem-to-hawthorne/Jun 20 11:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.harlemworldmagazine.com | Non-Profit Goes Virtual With Free Tutoring And Summer Enrichment From Harlem To HawthorneJun 20 11:58
techrights-bot/fn#KDE #Akademy 2021 Video Streams As Developers Discuss #Wayland , Frameworks 6, #Qt https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=KDE-Akademy-2021Jun 20 12:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-KDE Akademy 2021 Video Streams As Developers Discuss Wayland, Frameworks 6, Qt - PhoronixJun 20 12:01
techrights-bot/fn#ft took bribes from the #epo (this is well documented) and now it's just #corruptMedia for private #litigation firms. Avoid FT. It's corrupt. https://www.ft.com/content/e40f1dde-3dbb-4b83-a596-5dd594abba75Jun 20 12:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | IP law firms battle flush tech groups to hire top talent | Financial TimesJun 20 12:03
techrights-bot/fn"I am aware of multiple instances of NFTs being minted and then sold without an artist's permission or any interaction with the artist at all- just ripped off social media for example." http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2021/06/guest-post-nft-implications-for-ip-case.html?showComment=1624020777038#c2797331886446366606Jun 20 12:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Guest post: NFT implications for IP: A case study on 'Morons' - The IPKatJun 20 12:05
techrights-bot/fnAs if #taylorwessing ever cared about justice... https://www.taylorwessing.com/zh-hant/insights-and-events/insights/2021/05/european-court-of-justice-rules-on-law-applicable-to-avoidance-actions they don't ever care about truth and facts http://techrights.org/2020/05/15/latest-upc-spin-2020/Jun 20 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.taylorwessing.com | European Court of Justice rules on law applicable to avoidance actionsJun 20 12:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Taylor Wessingโ€™s Latest UPC Spin: No More/Additional Complaints Against UPC Lodged | TechrightsJun 20 12:08
techrights-bot/fn"The EPOโ€™s stay of the grant of an application following an entitlement claim (an โ€˜entitlement torpedoโ€™) another one. And then there is the central limitation procedureโ€ฆ" http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/19/epo-central-limitation-v-national-proceedings/ no mention that TBA itself is corrupted http://techrights.org/2021/06/19/carl-josefsson-in-the-shadows/Jun 20 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | EPO Central Limitation v National Proceedings - Kluwer Patent BlogJun 20 12:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Virtual Injustice โ€” Part 12: Carl Josefsson โ€“ Down But Not Out! | TechrightsJun 20 12:09
techrights-bot/fnNo connection at all to #opensource or #freesw ... but maybe better than this month's two articles about what BREAKFAST you should have... if you're sharing code (?!?!) https://opensource.com/article/21/6/2021-opensourcecom-summer-reading-listJun 20 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-8 books open source technologists should read this summer | Opensource.comJun 20 12:17
techrights-bot/fn#Akademy 2021 โ€“ II https://blog.bembel.net/2021/06/akademy-2021-ii/ #kde #freesw #gnu #linuxJun 20 12:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.bembel.net | Akademy 2021 โ€“ II โ€“ bembel.netJun 20 12:18
techrights-bot/fnTodayโ€™s #HowTos | #UNIX โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152481Jun 20 12:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesJun 20 12:28
techrights-bot/fnAs if #euipo itself obeys the #law https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trademark/1069990/new-european-union-intellectual-property-office-examination-guidelines-enter-into-force a den of scandals: http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPOJun 20 12:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | New European Union Intellectual Property Office Examination Guidelines Enter Into Force - Intellectual Property - European UnionJun 20 12:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - TechrightsJun 20 12:30
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techrights-bot/fn#EUIPO for #surveillance https://www.mondaq.com/uk/copyright/1076268/european-union-intellectual-property-office-observatory-publishes-report-on-monitoring-and-analysing-ipr-infringement-on-social-media tarnishes the image of the #EU http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPOJun 20 12:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Union Intellectual Property Office Observatory Publishes Report On Monitoring And Analysing IPR Infringement On Social Media - Intellectual Property - European UnionJun 20 12:35
techrights-bot/fnBuzzwords salad about making malicious cars that spy on drivers and passengers. What have we sunk to? https://www.itprotoday.com/edge-computing/automakers-race-iot-and-manufacturing-edgeJun 20 12:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.itprotoday.com | Automakers Race to the IoT and Manufacturing Edge | IT ProJun 20 12:39
techrights-bot/fnRoyole RoKit - A flexible display development kit with a #Snapdragon 660 board - CNX Software โš“ https://www.cnx-software.com/2021/06/20/royole-rokit-a-flexible-display-development-kit-with-a-snapdragon-660-board/ ไท‰ #Linux #GNU #Hardware #cnxsoftwareJun 20 12:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnx-software.com | Royole RoKit - A flexible display development kit with a Snapdragon 660 board - CNX SoftwareJun 20 12:40
techrights-bot/fnFOSS Patents: #Munich I Regional Court well-placed to create third #patent litigation division should need arise: Judge Dr. Werner is now a Presiding Judge โš“ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/munich-i-regional-court-well-placed-to.html ไท‰ #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latestJun 20 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Munich I Regional Court well-placed to create third patent litigation division should need arise: Judge Dr. Werner is now a Presiding JudgeJun 20 12:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsJun 20 12:41
techrights-bot/fn#KDE: Akademy, Kalendar (GSoC 2021) โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152482 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 20 12:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, Kalendar (GSoC 2021) | Tux MachinesJun 20 12:42
techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–†โ–…โ–ƒโ–„โ–‡โ–ƒโ–…โ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–„โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–โ–‚โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–†โ–†โ–ƒโ–†โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 25.35 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–ˆโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ– avg(k/sec) 54.30โ–• swarm size (avg): 301.91  โŸฒJun 20 12:59
techrights-bot/fnTossing out #fakePatents in #china https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/6/16/the-trials-and-tribulations-of-chinese-patent-invalidation-proceedings #cn #patentsJun 20 13:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | The trials and tribulations of Chinese patent invalidation proceedings โ€” Unified PatentsJun 20 13:00
techrights-bot/fn#epo giving more #patent #monopolies for #cancer https://www.streetinsider.com/Corporate+News/Enlivex+Therapeutics+%28ENLV%29+Announces+Issuance+of+New+European+Patent+Covering+Therapeutic+Compositions+of+Allocetra+and+CAR-T+Immunotherapies+for+Inhibition+or+Reduction+of+Cytokine+Storms+Associated/18559970.html https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/06/15/2247233/0/en/Enlivex <clipped message>Jun 20 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.streetinsider.com | Enlivex Therapeutics (ENLV) Announces Issuance of New European Patent Covering Therapeutic Compositions of Allocetra and CAR-T Immunotherapies for Inhibition or Reduction of Cytokine Storms AssociatedJun 20 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2021/06/15/2247233/0/en/Enlivex )Jun 20 13:02
techrights-bot/fn-Announces-Issuance-of-New-European-PatJun 20 13:02
techrights-bot/fnThe EPOโ€™s stance on #cancer recalled, in light of an altercation from 2013 ( #patent application no. EP03017743.0, appeal number T0598/12-3.3.02) http://techrights.org/2015/12/26/epo-and-cancer/Jun 20 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Insensitivity at the EPOโ€™s Management โ€“ Part II: Patent Office as a Cancer | TechrightsJun 20 13:03
techrights-bot/fnIt is absolute insanity to conflate #patents with publication and pretend that anything not patented simply does not exist (irrespective of how insipid those patents may be) https://www.hortidaily.com/article/9330555/china-produces-more-crispr-cas-publications-than-eu-and-us-combined/Jun 20 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hortidaily.com | China produces more Crispr-Cas publications than EU and US combinedJun 20 13:05
techrights-bot/fnHopefully this pandemic can make more of these #patent #lawyers redundant; they were already waste of space and budget, wasting company resources by spreading their ruinous #religious to inflame wars, #litigation https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s9bbnfxvps3r/lawyers-predict-how-office-life-is-about-to-changeJun 20 13:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Lawyers predict how office life is about to change | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 20 13:07
techrights-bot/fnEuropean #Patents challenged for obviousness again; JUVE turns that into some #lawyers #marketing SPAM https://www.juve-patent.com/news-and-stories/cases/success-for-womble-bond-dickinson-and-geofabrics-over-railway-track-beds/Jun 20 13:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.juve-patent.com | Success for Womble Bond Dickinson and Geofabrics over railway track beds - JUVE PatentJun 20 13:11
techrights-bot/fn"On May 11, Icelandic-based drug developer Alvotech filed a lawsuit against AbbVie seeking to undo what it alleges is a โ€œminefieldโ€ of โ€œinvalidโ€ patents surrounding what is arguably the pharma giantโ€™s most prized possession: Humira." https://www.healio.com/news/rheumatology/20210617/market-gears-up-for-biosimilar-boom-in-2023-as-humira-exclusivity-draws-to-a-closeJun 20 13:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.healio.com | Market gears up for biosimilar boom in 2023 as Humira exclusivity draws to a closeJun 20 13:12
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techrights-bot/fn#freenode webchat seems to have mostly been recovered, but their #irc servers block/limit my IP. https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#techrightsJun 20 13:16
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techrights-bot/fnEarlier today I mentioned #TaylorWessing ... don't forget that before their #teamUPC lies they also employed Klaus-Heiner Lehne with his rogue #swpats agenda http://techrights.org/2010/04/27/klaus-heiner-lehne-and-swpats/Jun 20 13:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Why Klaus-Heiner Lehne Lobbies for Software Patents (Money of Course) | TechrightsJun 20 13:18
techrights-bot/fn#TaylorWessing is a really nasty so-called 'law' firm (undermining the law itself). 1) http://techrights.org/2020/05/15/latest-upc-spin-2020/ 2) http://techrights.org/2020/04/15/team-upc-is-not-listening/ 3) http://techrights.org/2011/04/18/klaus-heiner-and-ms-florian/Jun 20 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | British Government Again Confirms Death of the UPC, But Team UPC is Not Listening | TechrightsJun 20 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Klaus-Heiner Lehne Blasted for Conflict of Interest, Florian Mรผller Shares His Interests | TechrightsJun 20 13:19
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techrights-bot/fn#geminiProtocol people making fun of #www inventor who became #drm apologist and bloat/monopoly booster (gave #w3c to Pentagon giants) and now NFT crank https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006705.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006704.html https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006706.htmlJun 20 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | A proposal to fund the Gemini projectJun 20 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | A proposal to fund the Gemini projectJun 20 13:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | A proposal to fund the Gemini projectJun 20 13:30
techrights-bot/fn#freenode : from over 90,000 online users (a few months ago) to just over 20,000. A lot of that it Freenode's own fault at this stage. Had they not made a series of blunders/errors, they would still be over 50,000. https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenodeJun 20 13:34
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techrights-bot/fn#freenode staff leaving, update hours ago https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0/-/commit/a13c23f799e34a714102da85455c68e69f8b5d37Jun 20 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | Updated people (a13c23f7) ยท Commits ยท freenode-web / web-7-0 ยท GitLabJun 20 13:36
techrights-bot/fnBy all means I do commend #freenode for deciding to #deletegithub after I suggested that. I still don't know who or what provides site hosting because it's hidden behind #clownflareJun 20 13:39
techrights-bot/fn"A shiny replacement for http://freenode.net." https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0Jun 20 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenodeJun 20 13:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-web / web-7-0 ยท GitLabJun 20 13:41
techrights-bot/fn" #freenode collects and uses certain information about users in order to provide services and enable certain functions." https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0/-/blob/main/content/pages/policies.mdJun 20 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | content/pages/policies.md ยท main ยท freenode-web / web-7-0 ยท GitLabJun 20 13:42
techrights-bot/fnThis is where #freenode Ltd. is based/registered. https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5147184,-0.1234375,3a,75y,340.17h,89.68t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGaY_ms9T5gmwbALXNwl0-g!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DGaY_ms9T5gmwbALXNwl0-g%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D334.05743%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192Jun 20 13:44
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techrights-bot/fnWay to track who leaves and who joins #freenode https://git.freenode.net/freenode-web/web-7-0/-/commit/53c9cc0f3e519de07a2a1dd28b0c8d8e0d0c0398Jun 20 13:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | pretty sure i broke everything. added staff/removed some (53c9cc0f) ยท Commits ยท freenode-web / web-7-0 ยท GitLabJun 20 13:46
techrights-bot/fnToday in #Techrights โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152483Jun 20 13:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Today in Techrights | Tux MachinesJun 20 13:47
techrights-bot/fnTo better understand why #ircd was altered by #freenode look into the changes here https://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/IRCSERVERJun 20 13:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-public / IRCSERVER ยท GitLabJun 20 13:53
*XRevan86 still doesn't understand the IRCd switch,Jun 20 13:55
techrights-bot/fn"Please do not report security vulnerabilities on GitHub. Instead, get the attention of a developer in our development IRC channel at irc.inspircd.org #inspircd.dev and PM them the details." https://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/IRCSERVER/-/blob/insp3/.github/SECURITY.md #kiwiIRC removed.Jun 20 13:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | .github/SECURITY.md ยท insp3 ยท freenode-public / IRCSERVER ยท GitLabJun 20 13:56
XRevan86This commit is from upstream, schestowitz.Jun 20 13:57
techrights-bot/fnWill LC look to 'cancel' #freenode for calling their git branches 'master'? Does that mean they oppress people? https://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/IRCSERVER/-/tree/masterJun 20 13:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | Files ยท master ยท freenode-public / IRCSERVER ยท GitLabJun 20 13:57
schestowitzXRevan86: not all of itJun 20 13:57
schestowitzI thinkJun 20 13:57
schestowitz6 days agoJun 20 13:57
schestowitzunless they pull it downstream stillJun 20 13:57
XRevan86Sadie Powell is the developer of InspIRCdJun 20 13:57
schestowitz"Sadie Powell "Jun 20 13:58
schestowitzah, OKJun 20 13:58
schestowitzyes, makes senseJun 20 13:58
XRevan86She doesn't like what happened to freenode and won't collaborate.Jun 20 13:58
XRevan86And the master branch is from inspircd too.Jun 20 13:59
schestowitzhttps://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/cms7/-/tree/master/Jun 20 14:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | Files ยท master ยท freenode-public / cms7 ยท GitLabJun 20 14:00
schestowitzcan you figure out where they host the same, based on this?Jun 20 14:00
XRevan86There's nothing for deployment here.Jun 20 14:01
schestowitzhttps://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/freenodejobsJun 20 14:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-public / freenodejobs ยท GitLabJun 20 14:01
schestowitz"Chris Lamb authored 1 year ago"Jun 20 14:01
schestowitzTHAT LambJun 20 14:01
XRevan86https://chris-lamb.co.uk/ that Lamb?Jun 20 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chris-lamb.co.uk | Chris LambJun 20 14:02
schestowitzhttps://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/roadmapJun 20 14:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-public / roadmap ยท GitLabJun 20 14:02
schestowitzthey planned to move to solanumJun 20 14:02
XRevan86schestowitz: It's known, yes.Jun 20 14:03
XRevan86Solanum is an effort to revive Charybdis and as such supersedes ircd-sevenJun 20 14:03
XRevan86schestowitz: And they did, on Libera Chat.Jun 20 14:05
XRevan86schestowitz: Ye won't be able to find where it's all hosted from the repos. The repos are pretty dead for one thing.Jun 20 14:06
schestowitzI found out for myself...Jun 20 14:08
techrights-bot/fnEuropean Patent Convention (EPC) is routinely violated though, just like the firm that wrote it violates many laws and got sued for it, parties alleging #corruption https://www.mondaq.com/uk/patent/1079318/introduction-of-eurasian-industrial-design-protectionJun 20 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | Introduction Of Eurasian Industrial Design Protection - Intellectual Property - UKJun 20 14:09
XRevan86schestowitz: Asked around or found a subdomain that isn't behind cloudfront?Jun 20 14:10
techrights-bot/fnThis entire article is a Big Lie, and a lie that the corrupt #EPO bribed the FT for. #CorruptMedia lying the people under the guise of "news" https://www.ft.com/content/545395ae-06c1-4c12-9063-841cf9e70833 @zoobabJun 20 14:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ft.com | Delayed Europe patent court launch prolongs frustration | Financial TimesJun 20 14:11
techrights-bot/fn#EPO โ€˜Boughtโ€™ the Financial Times, Which Now Operates in โ€˜Mouthpiece Modeโ€™ for Mr. #Battistelli http://techrights.org/2016/06/10/epo-money-to-media-companies/ #FinancialTimes = #orruptMedia in service of rich criminalsJun 20 14:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EPO โ€˜Boughtโ€™ the Financial Times, Which Now Operates in โ€˜Mouthpiece Modeโ€™ for Mr. Battistelli | TechrightsJun 20 14:12
techrights-bot/fn"method for the distribution of information, typically digital information that is distributed actively, through broadcast media such as television and radio." = abstract #patents = #swpats = #fakepatents https://www.unifiedpatents.com/insights/2021/6/17/prior-art-found-on-668-optinetix-patentJun 20 14:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.unifiedpatents.com | Prior art found on '668 Optinetix patent โ€” Unified PatentsJun 20 14:14
techrights-bot/fnFOSS Patents: #Munich may become the circuit with the most consistent patent case law in Germany if Judge Zigann is promoted and Judge Werner succeeds him โš“ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/munich-may-become-circuit-with-most.html ไท‰ #fosspatents #de | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latestJun 20 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Munich may become the circuit with the most consistent patent case law in Germany if Judge Zigann is promoted and Judge Werner succeeds himJun 20 14:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsJun 20 14:15
schestowitzXRevan86: I asked aroundJun 20 14:16
schestowitzbut nobody could find the answerJun 20 14:16
schestowitzwe know LC is all Microsoft, except the IRC sideJun 20 14:16
XRevan86schestowitz: Indeed. I doubt they can be convinced to self-host that though.Jun 20 14:17
schestowitzI guess Microsoft is very very Liberal  http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/Jun 20 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | TechrightsJun 20 14:17
schestowitzhosted by ICE providerJun 20 14:17
XRevan86They're not in the same position as freenode, Ltd.Jun 20 14:17
schestowitzmanaged by ICE providerJun 20 14:17
schestowitzvery libera(tm)Jun 20 14:17
schestowitztry figuring out the IP of freenode.netJun 20 14:18
XRevan86But GitLab.com also provides hosting for static sites, why not use thatJun 20 14:18
schestowitznot clownflareJun 20 14:18
XRevan86schestowitz: cloudfront is there exactly to make that impossibleJun 20 14:19
schestowitzwhat does this run?Jun 20 14:19
schestowitzthis still linked to shithub at the bottomJun 20 14:20
XRevan86schestowitz: What is?Jun 20 14:20
schestowitzhttps://www.findip-address.com/104.25.67.39Jun 20 14:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.findip-address.com | 104.25.67.39 - Find IP Address - Lookup and locate an ip addressJun 20 14:20
XRevan86Libera Chat uses JekyllJun 20 14:20
schestowitz""Jun 20 14:21
schestowitzCloudflare"Jun 20 14:21
XRevan86schestowitz: * Cloudflare, sorryJun 20 14:21
schestowitzping chit.freenode.netJun 20 14:22
schestowitzPING chit.freenode.net (104.25.68.39)Jun 20 14:22
schestowitz"The requested URL was not found on this server."Jun 20 14:22
schestowitzhttps://chit.freenode.net/u/newsbot/125.HtmlJun 20 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://chit.freenode.net/u/newsbot/125.Html )Jun 20 14:22
schestowitzbig H, so we know it's unix/linux/gnuJun 20 14:22
schestowitz"Jun 20 14:22
schestowitz  <link rel="manifest" href="/site.webmanifest">Jun 20 14:22
schestowitz  <link rel="mask-icon" href="/safari-pinned-tab.svg" color="#5bbad5">Jun 20 14:23
schestowitz"Jun 20 14:23
schestowitz:-)Jun 20 14:23
XRevan86schestowitz: Never doubted that.Jun 20 14:23
XRevan86schestowitz: Cute Git button there at the bottom.Jun 20 14:23
schestowitzI notice preference there for MIT licenceJun 20 14:23
schestowitzhttps://chit.freenode.net/u/newsbot/99.htmlJun 20 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-chit.freenode.net | newsbot - Thursday, June 10, 2021 at 16:57:31 GMT - freenode ChitJun 20 14:25
XRevan86https://github.com/realrasengan/freenode-jobs that's the real source codeJun 20 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-GitHub - realrasengan/freenode-jobs: freenode Jobs aims to connect those looking to hire within the immense talent that can be found within the wider freenode community. https://jobs.freenode.netJun 20 14:25
schestowitzit's a very simple page with a very simple program and freenode logJun 20 14:25
schestowitzlogoJun 20 14:25
XRevan86Don't know what https://git.freenode.net/freenode-public/freenodejobs isJun 20 14:25
schestowitzvery simple to implement thisJun 20 14:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-git.freenode.net | freenode-public / freenodejobs ยท GitLabJun 20 14:25
schestowitzbut to guard against abuse very time-consumingJun 20 14:25
XRevan86Probably an earlier attempt from the former staff?Jun 20 14:26
schestowitzhttps://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffreenode.netJun 20 14:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://freenode.net | NetcraftJun 20 14:26
schestowitzDomain registrargandi.neJun 20 14:26
XRevan86schestowitz: Ye expected something else?Jun 20 14:26
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XRevan86schestowitz: We know how the domain registration is even organised on Gandi.Jun 20 14:27
techrights-bot/fnFOSS Patents: #Apple , #Intel reject Fortress Investment's criticism that their second amended #antitrust complaint lacks plausibility, want to proceed to trial at long last โš“ http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/apple-intel-reject-fortress-investments.html ไท‰ #fosspatents | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latestJun 20 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Apple, Intel reject Fortress Investment's criticism that their second amended antitrust complaint lacks plausibility, want to proceed to trial at long lastJun 20 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsJun 20 14:29
schestowitz yes, but it's always worth  doubled-blind testingJun 20 14:30
schestowitzif they used to be in shithub for hosting and got off it, that's a good thingJun 20 14:30
schestowitzthey have rssJun 20 14:30
XRevan86schestowitz: I want to emphasise that freenode, Ltd. is in a stronger position to self-host.Jun 20 14:31
XRevan86(don't know if they cared to move off GitHub Pages)Jun 20 14:31
schestowitzAuthor: christel https://freenode.net/news/live-2018Jun 20 14:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode #live 2018 is a wrap, thank YOU! - freenodeJun 20 14:31
XRevan86The choice of site hosting is unfortunate but understandable to me.Jun 20 14:32
schestowitzANY dependence on ShitHub would contradicts those two: https://freenode.net/news/for-foss   https://freenode.net/news/freenode-is-fossJun 20 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | freenode exists for FOSS - freenodeJun 20 14:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freenode.net | On freenode and its commitment to FOSS - freenodeJun 20 14:33
schestowitzso I assume they plan to move or have moved off the proprietary thingsJun 20 14:33
XRevan86If they can self-host GitLab, they definitely can pull off a mere static page.Jun 20 14:34
schestowitzhttps://www.secjuice.com/finding-real-ips-of-origin-servers-behind-cloudflare-or-tor/Jun 20 14:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.secjuice.com | Finding real IPs of origin servers behind CloudFlare or TorJun 20 14:34
schestowitzhttps://geekflare.com/find-real-ip-address-of-website-powered-by-cloudflare/ http://www.crimeflare.org:82/cfs.htmlJun 20 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-geekflare.com | Find Real IP address of Website Powered by CloudflareJun 20 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crimeflare.org | Uncovering bad guys hiding behind CloudFlareJun 20 14:38
schestowitz"A direct-connect IP address was found: freenode.net 5.63.147.125 UNITED KINGDOM "Jun 20 14:39
schestowitzcannot access http://5.63.147.125/Jun 20 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Connection timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ http://5.63.147.125/ )Jun 20 14:39
schestowitzso maybe it only allowd httpd conns to CF IPsJun 20 14:39
schestowitz"Jun 20 14:40
schestowitzPrevious lookups for this domain:Jun 20 14:40
schestowitz2016-07-13: freenode.net 5.63.147.125 UNITED KINGDOMJun 20 14:40
schestowitz"Jun 20 14:40
schestowitzhttps://www.findip-address.com/Jun 20 14:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.findip-address.com | Find IP Address - Lookup and locate an ip addressJun 20 14:41
schestowitz"Jun 20 14:41
schestowitzHosting Services Inc Jun 20 14:41
schestowitzdomain100tb.com Jun 20 14:41
schestowitz"Jun 20 14:41
*job (~job@bfjdrpzm6v77y.irc) has joined #techrightsJun 20 14:41
schestowitzhttp://www.crimeflare.org:82/cgi-bin/domlist/_18842-dina-noahJun 20 14:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.crimeflare.org | Uncovering bad guys hiding behind CloudFlareJun 20 14:42
schestowitz"Jun 20 14:42
schestowitzdina noah freenode.comJun 20 14:42
schestowitzdina noah freenode.netJun 20 14:42
schestowitz"Jun 20 14:42
schestowitzSo I think we can safely say it's not shithub-hosted Jun 20 14:42
schestowitzand they dumped shithub for codeJun 20 14:42
techrights-bot/fnFor the record, #freenode decided to #deletegithub whereas LC (Libera Chat) uses #proprietarysoftware of #Microsoft both for coding and for hosting their site (everything except the IRCd stuff).Jun 20 14:43
techrights-bot/fnAnd even though #freenode hides the site behind #clownflare the real IP address is 5.63.147.125Jun 20 14:44
XRevan86or maybe it's not, who knowsJun 20 14:44
schestowitzseems likely it isJun 20 14:45
schestowitzand I can explain whyJun 20 14:45
schestowitzbut it was same address years agoJun 20 14:45
schestowitzso they changed nothing already done by christel and teamJun 20 14:45
schestowitzwe could always just ask her.. https://keybase.io/christelJun 20 14:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-keybase.io | christel (Christel Dahlskjaer) | KeybaseJun 20 14:46
schestowitzbut I doubt she wishes to say anything to anyone about it...Jun 20 14:46
XRevan86schestowitz: Speaking of, git.freenode.net is actually not behind cloudflare.Jun 20 14:47
schestowitz"Events and Community Outreach at London Trust Media, Inc. / Private Internet Access."Jun 20 14:47
schestowitzSo she was a 'proper' staff of Lee.Jun 20 14:47
XRevan86It's hosted byโ€ฆ Shellsโ„ขJun 20 14:47
schestowitzmakes senseJun 20 14:47
schestowitzit's newJun 20 14:47
schestowitzand that's his brother's netblockJun 20 14:47
schestowitzhttps://github.com/christeldJun 20 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-christeld (Christel D.) ยท GitHubJun 20 14:48
schestowitzshe has an off choice of profile photoJun 20 14:48
schestowitzlike something or someone diedJun 20 14:48
XRevan86schestowitz: If Christel had wanted to answer questions, she would've done so by now.Jun 20 14:48
schestowitzhttps://www.indexoncensorship.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/EMK_4096web-1024x684.jpgJun 20 14:49
schestowitzXRevan86: maybe there are no easy answers (for her)Jun 20 14:49
schestowitzeither way, we now know a little more about the setupJun 20 14:49
schestowitzand the Shells(r) integrationJun 20 14:49
schestowitzirc.com alsoJun 20 14:49
schestowitzI just want to predict the next step/sJun 20 14:49
XRevan86I don't know why, but to me it's either the intention to stay away from the drama or from rasengan's lawyers.Jun 20 14:49
schestowitzbecause they sure aren't saying anything...Jun 20 14:50
schestowitzmidnight... BOOM! DROP TABLE *.... Jun 20 14:50
schestowitzlet's move to another irc daemon and start from scratchJun 20 14:50
schestowitzsending many projects scrambling for channels and namespaceJun 20 14:50
XRevan86schestowitz: Well, ye should also see why freenode self-hosts GitLab and Libera Chat doesn't.Jun 20 14:50
schestowitzwaitJun 20 14:51
schestowitzLC doesn't even use GLJun 20 14:51
schestowitzthey use GHJun 20 14:51
schestowitzthat's a problemJun 20 14:51
schestowitzand contributes to many factors why I did not trust themJun 20 14:51
schestowitzno matter how much you and others urges me to jump acrossJun 20 14:51
schestowitzyou don't simply jump with everyone to an IRC network that chooses Microsoft for everythingJun 20 14:51
XRevan86schestowitz: True, and I don't know why for the public hosting they're choosing GitHub.Jun 20 14:52
schestowitzand they're technically competent so there is no excuse for thatJun 20 14:52
schestowitzsurely they know how to set up apache/lamp stackJun 20 14:52
XRevan86schestowitz: Setup where?Jun 20 14:52
schestowitzfor one thing, github embargoes some nationsJun 20 14:52
schestowitzso BYE BYE diversity and inclusiveness.  http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/linux-foundation-microsoft-outsourcing/Jun 20 14:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because Itโ€™s Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | TechrightsJun 20 14:53
schestowitzXRevan86: anywhereJun 20 14:53
schestowitzthe site of IRC networks doesn't need a beefy serversJun 20 14:53
XRevan86schestowitz: If ye can convince Ariadne to stop using GitHub for everything, then maybe there's hope :)Jun 20 14:53
schestowitzmost people just connect over part 66xxJun 20 14:53
schestowitz*portJun 20 14:53
schestowitzor some HA sieve that then channels requests to their cluster of servers around the worldJun 20 14:53
XRevan86schestowitz: The donated servers are donated for IRCd, not for hosting a website or even git.Jun 20 14:53
schestowitzthe web site of freenode gets little trafficJun 20 14:54
schestowitzaccording to netcraftJun 20 14:54
XRevan86schestowitz: Hmmmโ€ฆ speaking of, I wonder where web.libera.chat is hosted.Jun 20 14:54
schestowitzand netcraft is tilted in favour of sysadminJun 20 14:54
schestowitzbecayse they're more likely to install such toolbar, unlike AlexaJun 20 14:54
schestowitzXRevan86: go ahead and checkJun 20 14:55
XRevan86Cloudflareโ€ฆJun 20 14:55
schestowitzhttps://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffreenode.netJun 20 14:55
schestowitz"Site rank76796"Jun 20 14:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for https://freenode.net | NetcraftJun 20 14:55
schestowitzclounflare is nos hostingJun 20 14:55
schestowitzit's a gateJun 20 14:55
schestowitz*notJun 20 14:55
schestowitzor cdnJun 20 14:55
XRevan86It means I can't checkJun 20 14:55
schestowitzhttps://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=www.tuxmachines.orgJun 20 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for http://www.tuxmachines.org | NetcraftJun 20 14:56
schestowitz"Site rank27333"Jun 20 14:56
XRevan86censys.io reveals that it's on a Hetzner VPS.Jun 20 14:57
schestowitzLOL https://sitereport.netcraft.com/?url=linuxfoundation.orgJun 20 14:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-sitereport.netcraft.com | Site report for http://linuxfoundation.org | NetcraftJun 20 14:58
schestowitz139398thJun 20 14:58
schestowitzvery lowJun 20 14:58
schestowitzinterestingJun 20 14:58
schestowitzwe might be the first ones to actually analyse and compare these sorts of thingsJun 20 14:59
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schestowitzto me, it doesn't matter 'per se'Jun 20 14:59
schestowitzbut..Jun 20 14:59
XRevan86Hm, well, if they have a VPS on Hetzner, then they can actually self-host their website.Jun 20 14:59
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schestowitzit gives you some insights into the minds of the 'bosses' of the networksJun 20 14:59
techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–…โ–‡โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–‚โ–„โ–ˆโ–โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–„โ–…โ–†โ–‚โ–‡โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–„โ–„โ– avg(k/sec) 37.85 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–ˆโ–โ–„โ–ˆโ–‚โ–ƒโ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ– avg(k/sec) 71.58โ–• swarm size (avg): 301.82  โŸฒJun 20 14:59
schestowitzXRevan86: so maybe their web admin/php/js hack is sort of a Microsoft fanJun 20 14:59
schestowitzand the team went along with itJun 20 14:59
XRevan86I get that the website was brought up very early, and to start up kiwiirc they spent a lot more time but this is fixable.Jun 20 15:00
schestowitz"yeah... sure... let's use github pages for our official site for up to 100,000  users"Jun 20 15:00
schestowitzlike some did with sourceforge btwJun 20 15:00
schestowitzand still doJun 20 15:00
XRevan86schestowitz: It's not like sourceforge, because they can rehost the website in a matter of hours.Jun 20 15:01
XRevan86It's JekyllJun 20 15:01
MinceR20 073236 < DaemonFC> Ra wasn't a very exceptional Goa'uld though. He'd been living the same way for thousands of years and seemed to be barely self-aware.Jun 20 15:01
MinceRi think they all were prior the events of StargateJun 20 15:01
immibisXRevan86: a VPS isn't exactly self-hosting, it's VPS-hostingJun 20 15:01
XRevan86immibis: I think that would suffice.Jun 20 15:01
schestowitzthose are portableJun 20 15:02
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schestowitztake image, port, power upJun 20 15:02
immibisand i would think that github would suffice as long as you had an escape plan, because git is portable. But clearly it doesn'tJun 20 15:02
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schestowitzgithub is all vendor lockinJun 20 15:02
schestowitz"Issues" are not GitJun 20 15:02
XRevan86Now git is another story. They sure can self-host gitea fairly easily, but GitLab and gitea are on two different levels.Jun 20 15:02
schestowitzthat's the third E in WWWJun 20 15:02
schestowitz*EEEEJun 20 15:02
schestowitzover WWWJun 20 15:02
schestowitzadd some web 'features'Jun 20 15:02
schestowitzmake sure you deviate from the originalJun 20 15:03
XRevan86schestowitz: Regarding the website specifically, it's not vendor lock-in.Jun 20 15:03
schestowitzok, so move it onJun 20 15:03
schestowitzdeploy to another IP, change dnsJun 20 15:03
XRevan86schestowitz: They don't need to change DNS because Cloudflare %)Jun 20 15:03
schestowitzclearly they don't feel like Microsoft owning their site is a problemJun 20 15:03
schestowitzso clownflare settings need changingJun 20 15:04
XRevan86yesJun 20 15:04
schestowitzanyway that reeks of Microsoft apologismJun 20 15:04
schestowitzICE apologismJun 20 15:04
schestowitzthey host code with ICE enablersJun 20 15:04
schestowitzthey host their site with ICE enablersJun 20 15:04
schestowitzdon't give me that "libera" spielJun 20 15:04
schestowitzthey're helping racist nationalistsJun 20 15:05
schestowitzbut so many are still in denial about it http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/salesforce-works-for-ice/Jun 20 15:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | The OSIโ€™s President Apparently Does Not Know That His Own Employer (Salesforce) Works for ICE | TechrightsJun 20 15:05
schestowitzmatter if opticsJun 20 15:05
schestowitz*ofJun 20 15:05
techrights-bot/fn"...comprised of experts from the national IP offices of the EU"... NONSENSE! #EUIPO lacks experts. They hire FRIENDS, it's #nepotism ! https://www.mondaq.com/uk/trademark/1078578/european-intellectual-property-office-announces-publication-of-cp11-common-practice see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EUIPOJun 20 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.mondaq.com | European Intellectual Property Office Announces Publication Of CP11 Common Practice - Intellectual Property - European UnionJun 20 15:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | EUIPO - TechrightsJun 20 15:07
MinceRboth tribes are racist, afaict :>Jun 20 15:08
XRevan86'tis a sad worldJun 20 15:08
XRevan86People cannot even pick a lesser evil if the third option is not working out for them.Jun 20 15:08
schestowitzMinceR: i would not say "Racist"Jun 20 15:09
schestowitzI would say thisJun 20 15:09
schestowitz(and I wrote about it this morning)Jun 20 15:09
schestowitzthey seem to care too much about politics and not enough about the software and communitiesJun 20 15:09
schestowitzthey use those people's need for collab tools to exert some pressureJun 20 15:09
schestowitzfor fun ("lols", "shits and giggles") and for some personal vendettaJun 20 15:10
schestowitzsame people who were freenode staff before the disaporaJun 20 15:10
immibisschestowitz: you can't simultaneously say it's okay as long as they're not locked in, and that they must move it to prove they're not locked inJun 20 15:10
schestowitzand they're also in the 4-letter acronym networkJun 20 15:10
XRevan861. big bad master; 2. small not as bad master; 3. no master. "hm. we cannot afford to ditch the masters, eh, let's just go with the big bad one"Jun 20 15:10
immibisMinceR: some are more racist than othersJun 20 15:10
schestowitzXRevan86: they went with master Bill GatesJun 20 15:10
XRevan86this seems to be a common pattern of decision-makingJun 20 15:10
schestowitzmaybe he'll get them a plane ticket to Marshall IselandJun 20 15:11
schestowitzhe has 4 planesJun 20 15:11
XRevan86GitLab.com is not perfect, so why bother, amirite?Jun 20 15:11
schestowitznot counting Jeff'sJun 20 15:11
schestowitz*IslandJun 20 15:11
XRevan86we won't fix any problems if we cannot fix all the problemsJun 20 15:11
schestowitzgitlab.com com likely makes export for self-hosting easyJun 20 15:11
schestowitzgithub is 100% proprietary and centralisedJun 20 15:12
schestowitz"NOBODY LEAVES!"Jun 20 15:12
schestowitzNot with your full data anywayJun 20 15:12
schestowitzit's what Microsoft wanted codeplex to becomeJun 20 15:12
XRevan86schestowitz: An easy example: Ariadne went from GitHub to self-hosting sourcehut back to GitHub.Jun 20 15:12
schestowitzI wonder why FSF is taking so long to make its gitlab Savannah deriv ready for allJun 20 15:13
XRevan86if the ultimate solution doesn't work out, back out to no solutionJun 20 15:13
schestowitzthey keep skipping their own self-imposed deadlinesJun 20 15:13
XRevan86it's not a beef with Ariadnะต personally, just the nearest exampleJun 20 15:13
schestowitzXRevan86: iirc, Ariadne said  she had issues on the admin side of shJun 20 15:13
XRevan86I see this time and time again.Jun 20 15:13
schestowitzand some people she works with struggled a bitJun 20 15:14
schestowitzsh supports gemini:///Jun 20 15:14
schestowitzwe use plain git in techrightsJun 20 15:14
schestowitzgit pull, commit, push etc.Jun 20 15:14
XRevan86schestowitz: Exactly, no one wants a partial moderate solution.Jun 20 15:14
schestowitzit's no harder than svnJun 20 15:14
XRevan86that doesn't address the problem in fullnessJun 20 15:15
XRevan86so instead people go back to not addressing the problem at allJun 20 15:15
schestowitzwell, tough luckJun 20 15:15
schestowitzthey will pay dearlyJun 20 15:15
schestowitzremember what happened to Google CodeJun 20 15:15
XRevan86"we tried, it didn't work out, back to GitHub for us"Jun 20 15:15
schestowitzgithub will vanish one sayJun 20 15:16
schestowitz*dayJun 20 15:16
schestowitzor implement terrible changesJun 20 15:16
schestowitzpricing, ui, shutdown...Jun 20 15:16
schestowitzmaybe block a dozen more countriesJun 20 15:16
immibisthen you push somewhere elseJun 20 15:16
schestowitzXRevan86: iirc, you used loadaverage gnu social instanceJun 20 15:17
immibisif freenode's collapse starts a self-hosting movement i'm all for it, but you don't have toJun 20 15:17
schestowitzand that's no longer aliveJun 20 15:17
schestowitzI was in that situation many times beforeJun 20 15:17
schestowitzwhen pleroma.site was shut down I created my own thing in my personal siteJun 20 15:17
activelowat leat at it's core git itself is not compromised, which is git itselfJun 20 15:17
schestowitzstatic too, so no maintenance requiredJun 20 15:17
schestowitzactivelow: not yetJun 20 15:18
schestowitzthe microsofters try to wrest control of itJun 20 15:18
schestowitzbut gitlab won't let themJun 20 15:18
schestowitzenough vigilant people out there, stillJun 20 15:18
techrights-bot/fn" #Yew is a really nice framework for writing single-page-applications in Rust, that is then compiled to wasm for running in the browser." https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2021/06/20/getting_started_with_yew.htmlJun 20 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Peer reports incompatible or unsupported protocol version. ( status 0 @ https://fy.blackhats.net.au/blog/html/2021/06/20/getting_started_with_yew.html )Jun 20 15:20
XRevan86immibis: I don't want to rain on that parade.Jun 20 15:20
techrights-bot/fnSurface Suspension Protocol Proposed For #Wayland - Phoronix โš“ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Wayland-Surface-Suspension ไท‰ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux ๐Ÿง | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latestJun 20 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Surface Suspension Protocol Proposed For Wayland - PhoronixJun 20 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsJun 20 15:21
schestowitzXRevan86: but?Jun 20 15:21
XRevan86schestowitz: Looks like the trend is the opposite.Jun 20 15:22
XRevan86Some projects moved to Matrix.orgJun 20 15:22
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alexteehttps://www.lunduke.com/2021/06/vaccine-passport-company-the-linux-foundation-requires-using-their-vaccine-passport-system-for-all-open-source-events/Jun 20 15:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Vaccine Passport company, โ€œThe Linux Foundationโ€, requires using their Vaccine Passport system for all Open Source events โ€“ The Lunduke Journal of TechnologyJun 20 15:23
techrights-bot/fnWeb site bribed by #billgates who has been stealing schools for profit at taxpayers' expense (for over a decade) https://www.seattletimes.com/education-lab/let-them-eat-snacks-covid-aside-students-still-need-to-eat-and-drink-in-school/Jun 20 15:23
XRevan86rasengan diminished IRC's use like no one else.Jun 20 15:24
MinceR[citation needed]Jun 20 15:24
techrights-bot/fn#seattletimes does not disclose that it has been bribed by #billgates and now it spreads #propaganda for this criminal https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/have-gates-foundation-efforts-to-vaccinate-the-world-against-covid-19-helped-or-hindered/Jun 20 15:24
techrights-bot/fn#seattletimes : we take bribe money from #billgates to give a voice to the #gatesfoundation and help it lie to the public. #corruptMedia #propagandaJun 20 15:25
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techrights-bot/fn#billgates -bribed #SeattleTimes Uses #Copyright Law for Censorship, to Defend #SteveBallmer http://techrights.org/2010/11/20/seattle-times-vs-free-speech/Jun 20 15:26
techrights-bot/fnBefore #billgates bribes you http://techrights.org/2010/04/25/seattle-times-on-msft-olympia-clout/Jun 20 15:27
techrights-bot/fn2011: #SeattleTimes Funded by the Gates Foundation to Praise the #GatesFoundation โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2011/08/18/seattle-times-gates-funding/ ไท‰ #Techrights | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2011/08/18/seattle-times-gates-funding/Jun 20 15:28
techrights-bot/fn2011: Funded by #BillGates , the #SeattleTimes Anonymously Lobbies for #GatesFoundation Agenda โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2011/08/27/gates-to-drive-policy/ ไท‰ #Techrights | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2011/08/27/gates-to-drive-policy/Jun 20 15:29
techrights-bot/fntl;dr: so-called 'journalists' who defend #gatesfoundation #plunder are in fact salaried (yes, bribed) by #billgates to do so. #corruptMedia https://www.cjr.org/criticism/gates-foundation-journalism-funding.phpJun 20 15:30
techrights-bot/fnBeing Superrich Doesnโ€™t Make You a Superhero https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/20/opinion/rich-musk-gates-bezos-comics.html older: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-bill-gates.htmlJun 20 15:31
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TechrightsBot-trHello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77Jun 20 15:31
XRevan86MinceR: On what? That some projects ditched IRC altogether or on that rasengan's actions dimished the IRC community like nothing else?Jun 20 15:33
XRevan86* diminishedJun 20 15:33
techrights-bot/fnThis is a great example of #gnu #linux but NOT #softwarefreedom ... we need to tackle the underlying issues, not just brands https://www.newindianexpress.com/lifestyle/tech/2021/jun/06/chromebook-ready-2311399.htmlJun 20 15:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newindianexpress.com | Chromebook ready?- The New Indian ExpressJun 20 15:35
techrights-bot/fn#Vaccine Passport company, โ€œThe Linux Foundationโ€, requires using their Vaccine Passport system for all Open Source events โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152484 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachines http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/lf-mass-surveillance/Jun 20 15:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Vaccine Passport company, โ€œThe Linux Foundationโ€, requires using their Vaccine Passport system for all Open Source events | Tux MachinesJun 20 15:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Linux Foundation is a Foundation of Mass Surveillance | TechrightsJun 20 15:40
schestowitzalextee: thanksJun 20 15:40
schestowitzI deleted him from my rss feedsJun 20 15:40
schestowitzon LF I usually agree with himJun 20 15:40
MinceRXRevan86: that this was a greater drop than the ones that happened earlierJun 20 15:40
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alextee๐Ÿ‘๏ธJun 20 15:40
XRevan86MinceR: It's the greatest contribution to a drop of one man.Jun 20 15:41
MinceRthat's not that easy to proveJun 20 15:41
techrights-bot/fnKOL344 | With Adam Terrell of Theocracy: #Copyrights Are Unlawful โš“ https://www.stephankinsella.com/paf-podcast/kol344-with-adam-terrell-of-theocracy-copyrights-are-unlawful/ ไท‰ #stephankinsella | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latestJun 20 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.stephankinsella.com | KOL344 | With Adam Terrell of Theocracy: Copyrights Are UnlawfulJun 20 15:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-schestowitz.com | Social Control Media PostsJun 20 15:44
XRevan86MinceR: When everyone on the largest network is thrown out of their comfort zone, left with an individual decision about what side to choose, it's not hard to imagine that to some people that's too much.Jun 20 15:45
techrights-bot/fn"The two companies are both manufacturers and sellers of agricultural equipment. Mr Jeffrey Claydon, CEO of Claydon, to whom the patents were granted, appeared as a third party to the dispute." http://patentblog.kluweriplaw.com/2021/06/17/prior-public-disclosure-in-claydon-yield-o-meter-v-mzuri-a-dangerous-precedent/Jun 20 15:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentblog.kluweriplaw.com | Prior Public Disclosure in Claydon Yield-O-Meter v Mzuri: a Dangerous Precedent - Kluwer Patent BlogJun 20 15:46
techrights-bot/fnMissed deadlines: where things stand with the #EU #Copyright Directive https://www.managingip.com/article/b1s8ybdtrzp9vn/missed-deadlines-where-things-stand-with-the-eu-copyright-directiveJun 20 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.managingip.com | Missed deadlines: where things stand with the EU Copyright Directive | Managing Intellectual PropertyJun 20 15:47
schestowitzXRevan86: like IPFireJun 20 15:47
schestowitzjabber adoptedJun 20 15:47
schestowitzsome adopted part matrix, part something elseJun 20 15:47
XRevan86The accusations that everyone's actually evil aren't helping it either.Jun 20 15:48
techrights-bot/fnDespite all the #billgates scandals and crimes, Bill's bribed 'papers' in the #uk (like #bbc and #guardian 'news') still relay #gatesfoundation propaganda and serve as outlets of his (for-profit)a agenda. Appalling. Does he need to commit a war crimes before they stop this?Jun 20 15:50
MinceRXRevan86: and how many people left when some script kiddie (allegedly Nessun) DDoS-sed DALnet?Jun 20 15:51
MinceRXRevan86: lots of people left QuakeNet also, for some reasonJun 20 15:51
techrights-bot/fn"I got by now that this is pretty common in Gemini space but there are servers, serving generated content (blogs or games or whatever) and so no assumption about how big files are should be made..." https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/2021/006765.html #geminiprotocol #geminispaceJun 20 15:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-lists.orbitalfox.eu | a space case for transparent gemtext compressionJun 20 15:51
XRevan86MinceR: I'm not long enough on IRC, and even then IRC is not in as a strong position right now.Jun 20 15:52
MinceRindeedJun 20 15:52
MinceRthat's why fewer people were around to leave in the first placeJun 20 15:52
techrights-bot/fn#Mesa Lands Work Around Async glFlush - Should Help Workstation Performance - Phoronix โš“ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Async-glFlush-Viewperf-Mesa ไท‰ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux ๐Ÿง | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latestJun 20 15:53
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Mesa Lands Work Around Async glFlush - Should Help Workstation Performance - PhoronixJun 20 15:53
XRevan86The rasengan-induced event is the one where people were the most likely to leave for good.Jun 20 15:53
techrights-bot/fnAkademy 2021 - Day 2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152482#comment-30001Jun 20 15:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE: Akademy, Kalendar (GSoC 2021) | Tux MachinesJun 20 15:55
XRevan86I hope they'll find their way back.Jun 20 15:56
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techrights-bot/fn"The newest Intel Tiger Lake-powered InfinityBook from Linux laptop company @TUXEDO Computers rocks a 16:10 (YES!), 3K display. Let's unbox it and talk about it." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlIuo-w_eIU paid-for 'review' ("LINUX FOR EVERYONE CONTENT IS MADE POSSIBLE BY A LONG-TERM PARTNERSHIP WITH TUXEDO COMPUTER")Jun 20 15:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux Laptop Unboxing: TUXEDO InfinityBook Pro 14 - YouTubeJun 20 15:58
techrights-bot/fnLinux 5.13 Lands More Fixes To The Mucked Up FPU/XSTATE Handling Mess - Phoronix โš“ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-5.13-More-XSTATE-Mess ไท‰ #Phoronix #Kernel #Linux ๐Ÿง | more in http://schestowitz.com/2021/06/20/#latestJun 20 15:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Linux 5.13 Lands More Fixes To The Mucked Up FPU/XSTATE Handling Mess - PhoronixJun 20 15:59
techrights-bot/fn#Apache vs #Nginx : Which Web Server You Should Choose โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152485 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 20 16:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Apache vs Nginx: Which Web Server You Should Choose | Tux MachinesJun 20 16:03
XRevan86> Apache uses a process-driven approach and creates a new thread for each request.Jun 20 16:04
*XRevan86 sighs.Jun 20 16:04
XRevan86So which one is it: process-driven or thread-driven?Jun 20 16:06
techrights-bot/fn"Iโ€™m one of the Google Summer of Code (GSoC 2021) interns contributing to the GNOME Foundation. And I'm contributing to the libsecret project." https://dnuka.github.io/gsoc21-internship.html can we trust #security from GAFAM (Pemntagon) front that's hosting on #microsoft #ProprietarySofwtare though?Jun 20 16:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-dnuka.github.io | GSoC 21: Contributing to Gnome libsecretJun 20 16:07
MinceRmaybe it also uses a thread-driven approach to create a new process for each requestJun 20 16:07
XRevan86Also mpm_event has a way more complicated approach.Jun 20 16:07
XRevan86MinceR: If only that were actually true though.Jun 20 16:08
techrights-bot/fnLOL. So #GNOMEFoundation promotes #TPM now... on #IBM payroll with Gulag Summer of Work. How fitting. Not #softwarefreedom at all http://techrights.org/wiki/GNOME_Foundation#IntroductionJun 20 16:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | GNOME Foundation - TechrightsJun 20 16:08
XRevan86> require hundreds of heavyweight threads of processesJun 20 16:09
XRevan86Yea, that's definitely not how Apache httpd works.Jun 20 16:09
XRevan86> Unlike Ngnix, Apache can process dynamic content by embedding a processor of a language like PHP into each of its worker instances.Jun 20 16:11
XRevan86This sentence pains me so much.Jun 20 16:11
immibisXRevan86: that sentence is accurate - apache can load a php module and run php inproc, but nginx likes fastcgi betterJun 20 16:11
XRevan86immibis: It can, while degrading back to mpm_prefork.Jun 20 16:12
XRevan86immibis: And then it's not even "hundreds of threads", it's hundreds of separate processesJun 20 16:12
XRevan86so from Apache httpd being actually better than described here it will be much worse than describedJun 20 16:12
techrights-bot/fnThis other Gulag Summer of Work project seems more benign than the #TPM one... and it's also not hosted by #microsoft #ProprietarySoftware trap #github https://visveshs.blogspot.com/2021/06/an-update-on-my-gsoc-project.htmlJun 20 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-visveshs.blogspot.com | An Update on my GSoC projectJun 20 16:13
XRevan86immibis: He describes shooting oneself in the foot as a feature Apache httpd has over nginx.Jun 20 16:15
techrights-bot/fn#FDA crisis. Protector of the public of rubber-stamping agency now? https://about.bgov.com/news/health-care-briefing-more-time-needed-on-fda-pick-becerra-says/Jun 20 16:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-about.bgov.com | HEALTH CARE BRIEFING: More Time Needed on FDA Pick, Becerra Says | Bloomberg GovernmentJun 20 16:15
techrights-bot/fnWho is destroying #patent systems? These sorts of judges from #Texas , who turned courts into corporations https://patentlyo.com/patent/2021/06/albright-unreasonable-egregious.htmlJun 20 16:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-patentlyo.com | Judge Albright is not "So Unreasonable or Egregious"Jun 20 16:16
XRevan86While in actuality it's not even as easy to do these days: distros provide php-fpm configuration instead of mod_php these days.Jun 20 16:17
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XRevan86So yet another "comparison" that compares common misconceptions with each other.Jun 20 16:21
alexteehttps://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Google-Wants-Rust-In-KernelJun 20 16:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Google Wants To See Rust Code In The Linux Kernel, Contracts The Main Developer - PhoronixJun 20 16:22
alexteehmmJun 20 16:22
MinceRlol @ Gulag Summer of WorkJun 20 16:23
activelownot sure yet what "in the kernel" will be, if it is some module or real core componentsJun 20 16:24
psydroidI want to see the Linux Kernel Contract an Oxygen Infection and RustJun 20 16:24
MinceRi don'tJun 20 16:24
alexteeexactly how many "safety issues" have caused problems in linux so far?Jun 20 16:24
alexteei don't care if they just allow rust drivers but writing core parts of the kernel in rust is concerningJun 20 16:25
activelowi'll drop linux kernel thenJun 20 16:25
alexteei wish hurd received more attentionJun 20 16:25
activelowhurd is x86-64 onlyJun 20 16:25
MinceRwould that end their plan to adopt a massive single point of failure?Jun 20 16:25
alexteehurd is what you make it, if someone makes it support more archs it willJun 20 16:26
psydroidCouldn't they adopt seL4?Jun 20 16:26
CrystalMathMinceR: honestly... suddenly, my friend's license (the Mysoft license) doesn't sound so badJun 20 16:26
activelowcannot catch up with system integration anymore at least to keep the system running from source, leave alone a tiny hobby project such as implementing a microkernel for multiple architecturesJun 20 16:27
CrystalMathit prohibits people from reusing the code in any programming language that supports OOPJun 20 16:27
*XRevan86 looks at GObjectJun 20 16:28
XRevan86oh no, now C is a gonerJun 20 16:28
XRevan86CrystalMath: At least bash is safe, right?Jun 20 16:28
CrystalMathugh :PJun 20 16:28
CrystalMathmy friend Mysoft allows C though, he clarified the license specificallyJun 20 16:29
CrystalMathC is allowed, freebasic is allowedJun 20 16:29
XRevan86Ah, so it's not generalised, just "okay, so C is good"Jun 20 16:29
MinceRCrystalMath: that's stupidJun 20 16:29
CrystalMathyeah it needs to be better codifiedJun 20 16:29
MinceRno, it needs to be abandonedJun 20 16:30
XRevan86CrystalMath: OOP can and is implemented in C at least partially.Jun 20 16:30
CrystalMathi have 1 program that work on that is under that licenseJun 20 16:30
CrystalMathXRevan86: no it has to be that the *language* supports itJun 20 16:30
XRevan86CrystalMath: And OOP in Rust and Go is not complete either.Jun 20 16:30
CrystalMaththen it's forbiddenJun 20 16:30
MinceRany language that is not specifically exempted could be later extended to add OOPJun 20 16:30
activelowverifying linux kernel source code with llvm/clang compiler for various inconsistencies is benefitial, rust lang isn'tJun 20 16:30
MinceRand suddenly the license would be revoked for other peopleJun 20 16:30
CrystalMathMinceR: an older version of the language can still be used then :)Jun 20 16:30
CrystalMathlike C99 is okayJun 20 16:31
XRevan86GObject works on C89Jun 20 16:31
CrystalMatheven though C99 has awesome things like RAIIJun 20 16:31
MinceRpretty sure C99 can handle GObject tooJun 20 16:31
CrystalMathwell not C99... gnu99Jun 20 16:31
CrystalMathgnu99 has RAII without classes :)Jun 20 16:31
*XRevan86 laughed at that.Jun 20 16:31
MinceRand you can probably write lisp in it, and use something like [Tiny]CLOS on thatJun 20 16:31
MinceRif a language is Turing-complete, you can implement Lisp in itJun 20 16:32
CrystalMathMinceR: nah this is not allowed, the program itself cannot be used as a basis to write code that is OOPJun 20 16:32
MinceRso it's just plain proprietaryJun 20 16:32
MinceRbecause there's no language you could reuse the code inJun 20 16:32
CrystalMathhowever tbh, Mysoft wouldn't even give me a copy of the Mysoft license with that one program, so it's really just used and modified with his permissionJun 20 16:32
CrystalMathit's pretty awesome thoughJun 20 16:32
XRevan86MinceR: Um, it's proprietary either way, ye didn't realise that sooner? :>Jun 20 16:33
MinceRi didJun 20 16:33
CrystalMathi'm gonna rewrite that program from XCB to libX11Jun 20 16:34
CrystalMathto make it more legacy :)Jun 20 16:34
XRevan86CrystalMath: Make sure it compiles on a pre-C89 compiler.Jun 20 16:34
CrystalMathgood idea tooJun 20 16:35
MinceRspecifically, K&RJun 20 16:35
CrystalMathyeah, screw new-style function definitionsJun 20 16:35
XRevan86the first published version of C, yesJun 20 16:35
activelowi am not sure yet, linux kernel can benefit from google supporting it can be compiled with llvm/clang (which already was accomplished), rust lang isn't benefitialJun 20 16:39
activelowsince GCC is is a hard dependency of the entire free software ecosystem, i am not aware of any distribution which could be compiled without GCC (or clang recently)Jun 20 16:41
activelowand i do not feel comfortable with either GCC or clang/llvmJun 20 16:41
techrights-bot/fn#Security Leftovers and Proprietary Software โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152486 #GNU #Linux #TuxMachinesJun 20 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Security Leftovers and Proprietary Software | Tux MachinesJun 20 16:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Kernel: ENQCMD, Mesa, and Wayland | Tux MachinesJun 20 16:43
saint_dogbert/fnactivelow: Gentoo is working on that. Last I heard, ~75% of the stuff in portage could be compiled without GCCJun 20 16:43
XRevan86activelow: The kernel will truly be free only when it will be compileable with Watcom on DOS.Jun 20 16:44
techrights-bot/fnTodayโ€™s ๐“๐ฎ๐ฑ ๐Œ๐š๐œ๐ก๐ข๐ง๐ž๐ฌ Leftovers โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152490Jun 20 16:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 20 16:44
activelowsaint_dogbert: llvm/clang isn't the sultion to the problem eitherJun 20 16:45
activelowthe compiler question is tied to supported platforms, and a compiler remaining self-hosted on anyJun 20 16:45
saint_dogbert/fnI'm not sure there is currently any real solution right nowJun 20 16:45
XRevan86OpenWatcom :DJun 20 16:45
saint_dogbert/fnfor a few years, I thought Intel C compiler would be a solution until they made their free license even stricter and got caught rigging the game against AMD... again...Jun 20 16:46
saint_dogbert/fnthat pretty much ended thatJun 20 16:46
activelowgood point XRevan86, the entire tool and development environment surrounding a programming language and compiler too is criticalJun 20 16:46
activelowwouldn't want to depend on eclipse with my workJun 20 16:46
activelowas an exampleJun 20 16:46
XRevan86activelow: Uh, I was mocking CrystalMath but sure :)Jun 20 16:47
CrystalMaththat is correct, but i'm not joking, i'm actually porting the program back to X11Jun 20 16:47
XRevan86C doesn't have this IDE problem.Jun 20 16:47
techrights-bot/fnLinks 20/6/2021: Akademy 2021 Underway and Linux Foundation Blasted โ€ข ๐”—๐”ข๐” ๐”ฅ๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ค๐”ฅ๐”ฑ๐”ฐ โš“ http://techrights.org/2021/06/20/akademy-2021-underway/ ไท‰ #Techrights #GNU #Linux #FreeSW | โ™พ Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/06/20/akademy-2021-underway/Jun 20 16:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org | Links 20/6/2021: Akademy 2021 Underway and Linux Foundation Blasted | TechrightsJun 20 16:47
CrystalMathit doesn't make a lot of sense from a technical standpoint, but it's fun to doJun 20 16:47
XRevan86CrystalMath: There's no Xlib on DOS though.Jun 20 16:48
activelowanyway, a free and open platform for development had to consider hardware development, including circuit design and software tooling involved to deploy any circuit designJun 20 16:48
CrystalMathXRevan86: that's because there's no X on DOS :DJun 20 16:48
CrystalMathbut what i do for DOS + unix compatibilityJun 20 16:48
MinceRwell, time to implement X for DOS, thenJun 20 16:48
CrystalMathis use XLib *only* to move a pixmap to the screenJun 20 16:48
CrystalMathusing a paletteJun 20 16:48
saint_dogbert/fnor... switch to OSX ;)Jun 20 16:48
CrystalMaththat i define manuallyJun 20 16:48
CrystalMaththen i can do VGA and XLib with one code ;)Jun 20 16:49
CrystalMathit's just that on VGA, i set the palette in hardware, and for X i set the palette in softwareJun 20 16:49
CrystalMaththe other problem is inputJun 20 16:49
CrystalMathIRQ 1 handler vs. XGetEvent()Jun 20 16:49
XRevan86CrystalMath: Ye need an abstraction layer. Consider Motif.Jun 20 16:50
CrystalMathtoo largeJun 20 16:50
CrystalMathi already wrote this thing for something i wanted to makeJun 20 16:50
CrystalMathbut then i gave up on making thatJun 20 16:50
CrystalMathhowever... now i'm going to make something else with that system :)Jun 20 16:50
CrystalMathit can be compile for DOS or for X :)Jun 20 16:50
CrystalMath*compiledJun 20 16:50
CrystalMathvery funJun 20 16:50
activelowif the compiler suite and development tooling is bloated (such as llvm/clang and gcc alike) then such cannot remain self-hosted on limited embedded platformsJun 20 16:51
MinceRlol @ OSXJun 20 16:51
CrystalMathMinceR: yeah, mistyped MSXJun 20 16:51
MinceRsounds nastyJun 20 16:51
activelowmeaning gcc, llvm etc do require a powerful workstation hardware or laptop from intel/amd/...Jun 20 16:51
CrystalMathhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSXJun 20 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | MSX - WikipediaJun 20 16:51
MinceRoh, there is X for DOS, though it isn't freeJun 20 16:51
MinceRhttp://toastytech.com/guis/dvx.htmlJun 20 16:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-toastytech.com | DESQview/XJun 20 16:51
CrystalMathMinceR: meh, why use that?Jun 20 16:52
CrystalMathi don't need any features from X except "draw the damn pixmap on the screenJun 20 16:52
CrystalMathi do everything UI-related manuallyJun 20 16:52
MinceRpftJun 20 16:52
XRevan86activelow: Ye've opened my eyes on the hurdles of compiling compilers on tiny embedded computers.Jun 20 16:52
activelowlinux kernel did somehow vendor lock-in to specific hardware, since it couldn't be compiled with tinycc/pcc/or similar, the entire free software ecosystem didJun 20 16:53
activelowalthough free software exists, their "means of production" isn't free, such as hardware development tooling where the horro begins alreadyJun 20 16:56
CrystalMathhmm, okay so my first step will be to get rid of the dependency on xcb-imageJun 20 16:57
XRevan86If only someone made a non-x86 processor that's faster than 80 MHzโ€ฆJun 20 16:57
*immibis should finally finish that cpu project, so he can finally realize it doesn't work for some reasonJun 20 16:57
XRevan86If only non-x86 SOHO routers existed with Linux on board.Jun 20 16:58
immibisXRevan86: they do?Jun 20 16:58
XRevan86immibis: Are ye sure?Jun 20 16:58
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CrystalMathMinceR: you know, i could also trivially add win32 support this wayJun 20 16:58
CrystalMathwindows is even better with its BitBlt() interfaceJun 20 16:58
XRevan86immibis: I just heard that Linux's tooling is vendor locked on x86, is that not true? %)Jun 20 16:58
MinceRCrystalMath: i don't care about microsoft's crapJun 20 16:59
MinceRMSX, win32, whateverJun 20 16:59
CrystalMathMinceR: yeah but it's super convenientJun 20 16:59
MinceRfor microsoftJun 20 16:59
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XRevan86activelow: People run Gentoo on Raspberry Pi.Jun 20 17:00
activeloweven when free and open hardware is advertised i would raise the question what software tooling was required for circuit design and deployment, if it is Xilinx/Altera/... then it may not be freeJun 20 17:00
activelowXRevan86: raspberry Pi is microsoft/broadcom, won't touch thisJun 20 17:01
XRevan86activelow: It's an example of a single-board computer (not x86, mind you)Jun 20 17:02
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XRevan86hmmโ€ฆ is "you" in "mind you" a subject or an object?Jun 20 17:04
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activelowXRevan86: although allwinner and rockchip are suspicious these may be a better choice than rpi, i wouldn't recommend any of it anywayJun 20 17:04
activelowit is interesting btw. on Amazon raspberry is somewhat advertised aggressively by product placementJun 20 17:05
XRevan86Should be a subject, right?Jun 20 17:05
activelowlinux isn't directly vendor locked, it is indirectly by various meansJun 20 17:06
activelowfor example: since ARM embedded didn't suffice for self-hosted gcc or llvm/clang development environment often (changed recently with modern SBCs) developers often use cross-compilers or qemu on their x86 workstations to develop for and deploy to armJun 20 17:09
XRevan86Because compiling on weaker machines is fun.Jun 20 17:09
activelowproblem isn't cross-compilers or qemu, problem is no compiler alternative to gcc or llvm/clang exist which sufficed to compile linux-kernelJun 20 17:10
XRevan86everyone would've done so if they couldJun 20 17:10
XRevan86activelow: gcc and clang can run there just fineJun 20 17:10
XRevan86but why, right?Jun 20 17:10
activelowXRevan86?Jun 20 17:11
XRevan86Do ye think something like tinycc would do the job faster?Jun 20 17:11
activelowlast time linux kernel was compiled without gcc (or llvm/clang recently) was linux kernel version 2.6 with tinycc, and this was almost 10years agoJun 20 17:11
activelowXRevan86: yes pcc/tcc and similar are 10x fasterJun 20 17:11
XRevan86activelow: And the result is just as good?Jun 20 17:11
activelowcouldn't verify yet myself XRevan86, according to some articles and wikipedia the output is sufficiently optimisedJun 20 17:12
activelowfor C language that isJun 20 17:12
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Experimental Reiser5 File-System Patch Updated For Linux 5.12 | Tux MachinesJun 20 17:13
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techrights-bot/fnWhat You Should Know About Switching to Linux โ€ข ๐•ฟ๐–š๐– ๐•ธ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–๐–Ž๐–“๐–Š๐–˜ โ‡จ http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/152492Jun 20 17:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | What You Should Know About Switching to Linux | Tux MachinesJun 20 17:14
XRevan86activelow: That claim can be sufficiently verifiedJun 20 17:16
XRevan86activelow: pcc or tcc?Jun 20 17:16
XRevan86Which one of them has sufficiently optimised output?Jun 20 17:17
techrights-bot/fnTake away their #patents https://www.ymf-law.com/post/applicability-of-patent-safe-harbor-to-conduct-supporting-foreign-regulatory-approvalsJun 20 17:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ymf-law.com | Applicability of Patent Safe Harbor to Conduct Supporting Foreign Regulatory ApprovalsJun 20 17:17
activelowXRevan86: with both there was some efforts; OpenBSD tested pcc, and some Linux-related efforts were made with tinycc, 10years ago iitcJun 20 17:17
techrights-bot/fn#GAFAM should just get the hell out of #europe and stop their Orwellian #surveillance agenda http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/apple-and-google-are-partly-to-blame.html same for #ibm and #microsoft for that matter. http://www.fosspatents.com/2021/06/apple-and-google-are-partly-to-blame.htmlJun 20 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.fosspatents.com | FOSS Patents: Apple and Google are partly to blame for Europe's problems with hypercontagious Delta variant, should stop putting privacy over human lives and public healthJun 20 17:19
techrights-bot/fn#billgates -bribed #billBC looking for excuses... for why the #patent #cartel of #billandmelindagatesfoundation is NOT solving the issue too well (AZ).Jun 20 17:21
techrights-bot/fnLatest on an absurd cases wherein #patents / #monopolies on life and nature are sought as if they're inventions https://www.patentdocs.org/2021/06/broad-opposes-cvcs-motion-to-exclude-evidence-and-cvc-files-reply.html #patent #crisprJun 20 17:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.prnewswire.com | Innovative Foundry Technologies Resolves Infringement Dispute with SMIC and Initiates New Patent LitigationJun 20 17:24
XRevan86activelow: I don't want to break your heartJun 20 17:26
techrights-bot/fnEven on a Sunday about 10k more #covid19 cases in the #uk with 39.6% rise in hospitalisations and 12.5% rise in deaths this past week. Not exactly a badge of honour or endorsement for the #patents #cartel of #billgates (AZ).Jun 20 17:26
XRevan86activelow: So some time ago I wrote a Levenshtein distance calculator to see how some compilers perform.Jun 20 17:27
techrights-bot/fnNowadays "medical device" is sometimes just a slant on or a buzzword for algorithms / #swpats https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=9a651888-6f2d-48f8-bca0-7e521c1555ce see http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/software-as-a-medical-device-samd-like-medtech-at-the-epo-just-another-dodge-for-illegitimate-software-patents/Jun 20 17:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-'Could versus would' approach to inventive step assessment in medical device case - LexologyJun 20 17:29
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XRevan86activelow: I just executed the GCC-compiled binary and got 0.834s, tcc did the algorithm in 2.947sJun 20 17:29
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activelowXRevan86: first) i am referring to tcc/pcc compilation-time performance, which is these finish compilation tasks at the scale of being 10x fasterJun 20 17:31
XRevan86activelow: Who cares about how long it takes to compile when the end-result is inferior?Jun 20 17:31
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activelowsecond) i do not know what algorithm you compiled and what the problem was, otherwise tcc/pcc output was shown to be almost on par with gccJun 20 17:32
XRevan86Languages with LLVM JIT execute the algorithm faster than tcc.Jun 20 17:32
activelowdon't doubt thatJun 20 17:33
XRevan86activelow: I can give you all the details if ye want. But I think that they don't really matter with a difference this big.Jun 20 17:33
activelowsure it is relevant XRevan86, what the tradeoffs areJun 20 17:33
activelowin any case you won't convince me anymore either gcc or llvm/clang were "free"Jun 20 17:34
activelowadd to this i would check if an SIMD optimization was involved with yor tests XRevan86 Jun 20 17:36
XRevan86activelow: I don't see any optimisation options in tinyccJun 20 17:36
activelowif there was then your test had shown that SIMD optimisation was superior to none applied, which says little to nothing about the qualities of tinycc since it doesn't do SIMD optimisation to my knowledgeJun 20 17:37
XRevan86activelow: The test tests array and loop optimisations.Jun 20 17:38
activelowtinycc doesn't heavily optimise, hence it is more suitable for JIT compilation which was demonstrated with linux 2.6 kernel, to compile that during system bootJun 20 17:39
activelowquicklyJun 20 17:39
XRevan86activelow: Pretty sure that's not the only optimisation that tinycc is lacking.Jun 20 17:39
XRevan86activelow: LLVM can JIT faster.Jun 20 17:39
activelowi had seen other bug reports with tinycc too recentlyJun 20 17:40
XRevan86JS outperforms this C.Jun 20 17:40
XRevan86Heck, bcc 5.2 in Wine outperforms it.Jun 20 17:43
activelowwhich says little to nothing about the qualities of pcc/tccJun 20 17:44
activelowbesides there is other options than the ones mentioned, and i doubt i would get far with any of them and linux kernelJun 20 17:44
activelowdidn't say either gcc or llvm/clang and their optimisations were lacking, i said linux kernel and free software ecosystem locked-in to them, vendor lock-inJun 20 17:45
XRevan86When it's two compilers instead of one, it's already a big difference.Jun 20 17:46
XRevan86activelow: https://paste.debian.net/hidden/9a1b26a9 ze codeJun 20 17:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paste.debian.net | Debian PastezoneJun 20 17:51
activelowthanks XRevan86, yet i feel i lack competene to discuss your implementation of the algorithm and optimisations appliedJun 20 17:52
XRevan86There's a special version of one bit for GCC, it was just observed to work faster on it.Jun 20 17:54
activelowi do notice aggressive optimizations were applied with your scenario (Ofast and lto)Jun 20 17:54
XRevan86The best output there could possible be.Jun 20 17:55
XRevan86gcc -O0 and tcc give very similiar results.Jun 20 17:56
activelowbesides the optimisations do increase compilation time and compile time memory consumption excessivelyJun 20 17:56
XRevan86"excessively" is definitely not the right word here.Jun 20 17:56
activelowwhich i could report a minor story about too, since i utilise some low-power aarch64 SBC here as distcc build nodes, some of which have 1GiB of RAM "only"Jun 20 17:57
activelowguess what happens when g++ spawns four compilation threads? OOM.Jun 20 17:57
XRevan86activelow: Consider -O0Jun 20 18:01
XRevan86should be great %)Jun 20 18:01
activelowi considered blacklisting cxx, with gentoo that is use.mask cxx and this problem is gone at leastJun 20 18:02
activelowyet with this i had noticed again another lock-in, cxx itself since gcc cannot bootstrap itself without cxx (had to verify again)Jun 20 18:02
XRevan86GCC is written in C++Jun 20 18:04
activelowat least i succeeded already with a bootable system without any cxx involved anymore to proceed with an alternative compiler and removing gcc (or llvm/clang)Jun 20 18:05
XRevan86activelow: gcc -O0 executes faster than tcc for me.Jun 20 18:05
XRevan86activelow: That sure sounds productive.Jun 20 18:05
*activelow sighsJun 20 18:06
activelowyes, most of the time is wasted to track dependencies, remove bloatware, which I hope can be mitigated by use.mask cxx some time in the futureJun 20 18:06
XRevan86I sure hope that Open Watcom can satisfy all your C needs.Jun 20 18:08
immibisactivelow: If the hardware is not assembled from a pile of sand in your garage it's not freeJun 20 18:12
activelowimmibis: "a pile of sand" isn't the "means of production" for free and open systemsJun 20 18:13
immibisno chips are free. None. Literally none.Jun 20 18:13
immibisnot even free as in libreJun 20 18:13
immibisactually that's not true. But probably no CPUs?Jun 20 18:13
immibismaybe nothing newer than a Z80Jun 20 18:13
immibisthey all have undocumented stuffJun 20 18:14
activelowsome project tried to reverse engineer C64 (moschip iirc), must have been fun too, and productive, there's a talk about it on youtubeJun 20 18:15
immibisif you have to reverse-engineer it it's not freeJun 20 18:19
activelowconcerning free software and vendor lock-in there's more techical issues to discuss, such as involved build systems, system integrationJun 20 18:25
activelowlong story short anything which directly or indirectly does lock-in rust language will be dropped hereJun 20 18:25
activelowanything wich hard locks-in llvm/clang was dropped here already, which means alot of the GPU related support is gone for example (radeon graphics)Jun 20 18:28
immibishttps://bootstrapping.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_PageJun 20 18:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bootstrapping.miraheze.org | bootstrappingJun 20 18:32
activelowXRevan86: it is remarkable that bcc (which i hadn't known before) can compete with heavily optimizing clang and gccJun 20 18:35
XRevan86activelow: Ye hadn't known about Turbo C++ before?Jun 20 18:35
XRevan86but it is indeed surprising that this old compiler managed to produce an okay result.Jun 20 18:37
activelowexceptional even, since the tradeof too is compilation time and memory consumptionJun 20 18:38
activelowotherwise I hadn't played with turbo c++ yet, Borland Delphi was common in schools where i had encountered this vendorJun 20 18:39
XRevan86activelow: It's Embarcadero (Idera) now.Jun 20 18:48
XRevan86This is a compiler from 1997Jun 20 18:48
XRevan86I just had it lying around, so I checked what it can do.Jun 20 18:50
techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–‡โ–ƒโ–„โ–„โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–‡โ–†โ–‚โ–†โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–…โ–†โ–†โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ–†โ–‚โ–†โ–โ–…โ–‚โ–ƒโ–…โ–…โ–„โ–…โ–…โ– avg(k/sec) 25.60 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ˆโ–ƒโ–ˆโ–โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ƒโ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–ˆโ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–ƒโ–โ– avg(k/sec) 51.16โ–• swarm size (avg): 302.22  โŸฒJun 20 18:59
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AdmFubarhttps://www.zdnet.com/article/nasty-linux-systemd-root-level-security-bug-revealed-and-patched/#ftag=RSSbaffb68Jun 20 19:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Nasty Linux systemd root level security bug revealed and patched | ZDNetJun 20 19:09
activelowwhat's worse than the backdoor itself is the quality of it, to tap and spy systems by whoever was responsible for thisJun 20 19:15
AdmFubarthere isn't quality... it is rather hard to exploitJun 20 19:16
AdmFubarhttps://www.salon.com/2021/06/20/can-democracy-survive-amazon-a-conversation-with-writer-alec-macgillis_partner/Jun 20 19:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Can democracy survive Amazon?: A conversation with writer Alec MacGillis | Salon.comJun 20 19:16
AdmFubarhttps://www.salon.com/2021/06/20/one-of-them-has-to-go-the-gop-or-america-as-we-know-it_partner/Jun 20 19:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-One of them has to go: The GOP or America as we know it | Salon.comJun 20 19:18
AdmFubarhttps://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/18/2322201&from=rssJun 20 19:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | Backscatter Radio at Gigabit Speeds - SoylentNewsJun 20 19:49
AdmFubarhttps://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/06/18/1423237&from=rssJun 20 19:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-soylentnews.org | How Russian Threats in the 2000s Turned Estonia into the Go-To Expert on Cyber Defense - SoylentNewsJun 20 19:51
immibison_retrieved_unix_uid_pidJun 20 19:52
immibisit used to be that you would call get_unix_uid_pid and it would just return what you wanted and not require a callbackJun 20 19:52
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AdmFubarhttps://www.darkreading.com/vulnerabilities---threats/attackers-find-new-way-to-exploit-google-docs-for-phishing-/d/d-id/1341342Jun 20 20:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.darkreading.com | Attackers Find New Way to Exploit Google Docs for ...Jun 20 20:49
AdmFubarhttps://beta.darkreading.com/attacks-breaches/data-breaches-surge-in-food-beverage-other-industriesJun 20 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-beta.darkreading.com | Dark Reading | Security | Protect The BusinessJun 20 20:52
techrights-ipfs-bot โ–•  IPFS downstream, 60 mins: โ–„โ–‡โ–„โ–…โ–ƒโ–†โ–†โ–†โ–‡โ–„โ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–†โ–†โ–‡โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–‚โ–…โ–†โ–„โ–‡โ–†โ–…โ–†โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–…โ–†โ– avg(k/sec) 25.53 โ–•  IPFS upstream: โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–ˆโ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–„โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ˆโ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–‚โ–ƒโ–ƒโ– avg(k/sec) 37.96โ–• swarm size (avg): 302.47  โŸฒJun 20 20:59
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AdmFubarhttps://threatpost.com/millions-connected-cameras-eavesdropping/166950/Jun 20 21:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Millions of Connected Cameras Open to Eavesdropping | ThreatpostJun 20 21:22
AdmFubarhttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57468750Jun 20 21:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Irish police to be given powers over passwords - BBC NewsJun 20 21:23
AdmFubarhttps://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/252502519/Repeat-ransomware-attacks-hit-80-of-victims-who-paid-ransomsJun 20 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchsecurity.techtarget.com | Repeat ransomware attacks hit 80% of victims who paid ransomsJun 20 21:29
AdmFubar:)) https://threatpost.com/ransomware-sitting-duck/167040/Jun 20 21:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Whatโ€™s Making Your Company a Ransomware Sitting Duck | ThreatpostJun 20 21:30
AdmFubarhttps://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/bulletins/sb21-165Jun 20 21:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-us-cert.cisa.gov | Vulnerability Summary for the Week of June 7, 2021 | CISAJun 20 21:33
AdmFubarhttps://techcrunch.com/2021/06/18/investors-say-eindhoven-poised-to-become-netherlands-no-2-tech-hub/Jun 20 21:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Investors say Eindhoven poised to become Netherlandsโ€™ No. 2 tech hub โ€“ TechCrunchJun 20 21:50
AdmFubarthis won't last long after google gets into this..Jun 20 21:51
AdmFubarhttps://techcrunch.com/2021/06/17/spotify-acquires-podz-a-podcast-discovery-app/Jun 20 21:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Spotify acquires Podz, a podcast discovery platform โ€“ TechCrunchJun 20 21:51
AriadneXRevan86: yes, next time i will be using gitlabJun 20 21:52
AdmFubarhttps://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/news/252502512/Apple-issues-patches-for-two-more-WebKit-zero-daysJun 20 21:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchsecurity.techtarget.com | Apple issues patches for two more WebKit zero-daysJun 20 21:52
AdmFubarhttps://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/feature/How-to-get-started-with-security-chaos-engineeringJun 20 21:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-searchsecurity.techtarget.com | How to get started with security chaos engineeringJun 20 21:56
AdmFubarhttps://therecord.media/norway-says-chinese-group-apt31-is-behind-catastrophic-2018-government-hack/Jun 20 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-therecord.media | Norway says Chinese group APT31 is behind catastrophic 2018 government hack - The Record by Recorded FutureJun 20 22:10
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DaemonFCschestowitz, The entire train ride to Chicago today was dead offices and dead small businesses in the suburbs.Jun 20 23:04
DaemonFCApparently there's five Sears Towers worth of vacant office space in Chicago as of late March and they were expecting it to get much worse by the end of the year even if the lockdown completely ended.Jun 20 23:05
DaemonFCThey're still building though.Jun 20 23:05
DaemonFCSoon there will be 23 million square feet of empty offices, and that's just inside the city. Meanwhile, the Democrats managed to get gas in the city up to $4 a gallon.Jun 20 23:06
DaemonFCNo wonder everyone is leaving.Jun 20 23:06
schestowitzI see...Jun 20 23:10
DaemonFCWe went to the zoo and even that was pretty sad.Jun 20 23:11
DaemonFCThat big cat exhibit that's been closed forever is still closed.Jun 20 23:11
DaemonFCSo, what about the economic boom we're being told of?Jun 20 23:12
DaemonFCI didn't see any signs that consumers in Chicago have tons of money, are anxious to spend it, and that there's a lot of options for where to spend it if you want to spend it.Jun 20 23:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Android Leftovers | Tux MachinesJun 20 23:13
DaemonFCSome restaurants survived, but many are closed with a for lease sign on an empty building.Jun 20 23:14
schestowitzthey might not survive for longJun 20 23:15
schestowitzwhen the checks stop coming or savings run dryJun 20 23:15
DaemonFCRelatively speaking, Waukegan has held on better than Chicago or its inner suburbs.Jun 20 23:15
DaemonFCI have no idea why. Possibly because it's more of a working class city to begin with.Jun 20 23:16
DaemonFCIt's the wealthy inner suburbs to the north of the city that appear to have really had their asses handed to them.Jun 20 23:16
DaemonFCSome can barely give away storefronts in their "town centers" next to the metra line.Jun 20 23:17
DaemonFCThat used to be prime real estate.Jun 20 23:17
DaemonFCWinnetka, I think it was, looked so bad, that about three things survived. Jewel-Osco, a Walgreens, and Starbucks. 70% or so vacant.Jun 20 23:18
DaemonFCschestowitz, Uber and Lyft won't last much longer.Jun 20 23:25
DaemonFCThey're 2-3x as expensive as a cab is now.Jun 20 23:26
DaemonFCI kept flipping between them to get that last 5 miles to the zoo and first Lyft told me there was a "wait and save" option where if I waited 20 minutes instead of 10 I'd save $4, so I was like yeah okay.Jun 20 23:27
DaemonFCI waited 30 minutes, nothing came, and I had to cancel it (they reversed the charge).Jun 20 23:27
DaemonFCThen Uber was going up and down. It got up as high as $45 and then went down to $28.Jun 20 23:27
DaemonFCOn the way back, I used the Transit app to find out that taking the 73 CTA bus between the Metra Clybourn stop and the zoo only costs us $2.50 apiece.Jun 20 23:28
DaemonFCWell, at least I'll know that next time.Jun 20 23:28
DaemonFCTurns out, the news in Chicago interviewed a woman who said she was furious about how expensive Uber has been lately and that she couldn't afford $25 a ride for what had been $12-13.Jun 20 23:29
DaemonFCSo we're going to be witnessing the end of that bubble shortly.Jun 20 23:29
DaemonFCschestowitz, That's one Chicago tax I really do agree with, and I think RMS proposed it too.Jun 20 23:30
DaemonFCUber and Lyft had been dumping their service in areas with good public transit in order to degrade them.Jun 20 23:31
DaemonFCSo the city responded by doing a rideshare surcharge. So you fund the CTA when you get on an Uber even if you don't use the CTA.Jun 20 23:31
DaemonFCI hate Uber. I mean, counting today my ride history on it has been three rides since I made my account in 2015.Jun 20 23:33
DaemonFCI hope they fail and I hope Saudi Arabia loses big on it.Jun 20 23:33
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DaemonFCNow that they're more expensive than a taxi _with_ the $1.50 app surcharge from Curb, how are they even a thing? The fact that there were ZERO lyfts around Ogilvie and Union stations today made me laugh. I mean, I was annoyed.Jun 20 23:35
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DaemonFCBut I think it's obvious they'll go belly up first. Maybe Uber will absorb some of the market and gain some time.Jun 20 23:35
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DaemonFCStallman and I disagree on one thing. The drivers.Jun 20 23:36
DaemonFCSome are decent, some are nasty.Jun 20 23:36
DaemonFCOne of the reasons the apps don't work very well is that drivers figure out ways to game the system so they don't have to work for less money than they want, which is fair enough. It's what happens in a Capitalist system.Jun 20 23:36
schestowitzThe idea is to drive taxi companies outJun 20 23:36
schestowitzto bankrupt themJun 20 23:37
DaemonFCYou want the Uber that bad or you don't.Jun 20 23:37
schestowitzand then you have no choiceJun 20 23:37
schestowitzthey command the priceJun 20 23:37
schestowitzand prices soarJun 20 23:37
DaemonFCBut the rideshare apps present you with a price and it's in real time and there's no negotiating back and forth with the driver.Jun 20 23:37
schestowitzthey operate to losses for years, billions in losses from shareholdersJun 20 23:37
DaemonFCIt just lets them waste your time and cancel on you and shit, and that's that.Jun 20 23:37
schestowitzjust to kill the competition\Jun 20 23:37
activelowDaemonFC: RMS proposed taxing Uber?Jun 20 23:38
DaemonFCYeahJun 20 23:38
activelowand then a smearing campaign escalated.Jun 20 23:38
DaemonFC<schestowitz> they operate to losses for years, billions in losses from shareholdersJun 20 23:43
DaemonFCThe real insanity is that Uber says they're going to put $250 million into a "stimulus" for drivers.Jun 20 23:44
DaemonFCSome of the drivers spoke to the news under anonymity.Jun 20 23:45
DaemonFCConcerns in Chicago include COVID still being out there and not enough pay for the odds of being carjacked.Jun 20 23:45
DaemonFCThey really ought to drive less expensive cars.Jun 20 23:45
DaemonFCThe one I rode in today was an Infiniti. Jun 20 23:46
DaemonFCCarjackers love those.Jun 20 23:46
DaemonFCThe only thing he could have done to make it worse is drive on the south side, at night, with a big flashing sign that reads "Carjack me!".Jun 20 23:46
DaemonFCReparations all around. mjg59 disliked that.Jun 20 23:47
DaemonFCmjg59 is going back to Sanctuary Hills.Jun 20 23:47
DaemonFCOh, schestowitz Chase Bank has been emptying out branch locations in the region I noticed.Jun 20 23:51
DaemonFCThe signage is still up but the branch is closed permanently.Jun 20 23:51
DaemonFCI was one of the first people to use a bank with no branches.Jun 20 23:51
DaemonFCAs soon as Ally financial emerged from bankruptcy (previously GMAC, a finance arm of General Motors), and while it was still mostly owned by the US Treasury, I set up an account there.Jun 20 23:52
DaemonFCI was pissed off by Wells Fargo and their new and outrageous fees just to have a deposit account.Jun 20 23:52
DaemonFCOh, you want an account? $9 a month. You want statements? $3.50. Oh, you overdrew your account by 50 cents? Here's $79 in fees.Jun 20 23:53
schestowitzwow, the media became really badJun 20 23:55
schestowitzI am looking at piles upon piles of puff piecesJun 20 23:55
schestowitzit's frustratingJun 20 23:55
schestowitzit's all for saleJun 20 23:55
schestowitznot even one exceptionJun 20 23:55
schestowitzit used to be possible to find some real reporting, sometimes...Jun 20 23:56

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