| schestowitz | Well going digital made a thirst for surveillance that's affordable. Is it of much use? RoI? Very doubtful. No answers, no proof. | Oct 09 03:00 |
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| jose__ | valuable marketing info | Oct 09 03:00 |
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| schestowitz | Some people at Microsoft are morbid in their minds -- wanting to now log using cameras and stuff people's every movement, thought, moods, etc. | Oct 09 03:00 |
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| twitter | It's purpose is to identify, track and neutralize political and economic competition | Oct 09 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | Almlost as though they do reaearch on Bush contracts. | Oct 09 03:01 |
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| jose__ | ms on every electronic device would put the government spying out of business | Oct 09 03:01 |
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| schestowitz | Phone serve as credit cards now. | Oct 09 03:02 |
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| twitter | At least one cable TV box has a camera capable of IDing those who watch. | Oct 09 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | OpenMoko should take the loads her.e | Oct 09 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | *lead here | Oct 09 03:02 |
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| jose__ | this is why i don't want microvell | Oct 09 03:02 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft patent that.. "TV watches user" | Oct 09 03:03 |
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| twitter | free software should be demanded for all electronic devices or they will all be spys. RMS does not even use a cell phone because of abuse of the system | Oct 09 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | it's easier to eavesdrop on mobiles. | Oct 09 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | So I've heard. | Oct 09 03:03 |
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| schestowitz | Private calls are better done on landline. | Oct 09 03:03 |
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| jose__ | guys you are breathing too hard.. are you ok.. should i call the authorities to get a better diagnosis... | Oct 09 03:04 |
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| jose__ | what was that movie with | Oct 09 03:04 |
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| jose__ | jim carey about growing up under the watchful eye of the whole town? | Oct 09 03:04 |
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| twitter | All of them can be tapped. Cell phones have have the ability to record and transcribe before transmitting. | Oct 09 03:04 |
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| jose__ | living in a fish bowl | Oct 09 03:05 |
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| jose__ | well, gates won't be inside it.. that's the fringe benefit of cooperating | Oct 09 03:05 |
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| twitter | Cell phones can and have been used to record more than phone conversations | Oct 09 03:05 |
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| twitter | Gates has got to be one of the most watched people on Earth | Oct 09 03:05 |
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| jose__ | don't scientists love prodding animals in cages and such (the scientists inside each of us) | Oct 09 03:05 |
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| jose__ | well, government figures would be in the drivers seat more.. | Oct 09 03:06 |
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| jose__ | but i'm sure private sector titans get freebies | Oct 09 03:06 |
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| schestowitz | I'm told by a professor in biology that human nature is to /control/ others. | Oct 09 03:06 |
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| jose__ | a break from the watchful eyes for good behavior or something | Oct 09 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | A man's primary satisfaction is to make other do things for him/her | Oct 09 03:07 |
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| jose__ | it's interesting | Oct 09 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | It's something innate, apparently. Also among animals. | Oct 09 03:07 |
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| jose__ | and you get an empowerment rush | Oct 09 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | That's just why there's litttle hope for ending corruption. People always want more power. | Oct 09 03:07 |
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| jose__ | money gives you that power ...allegedly | Oct 09 03:07 |
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| twitter | Ick. Finger the sky | Oct 09 03:07 |
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| jose__ | oodles of money I mean | Oct 09 03:07 |
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| twitter | http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=126&a=8374 | Oct 09 03:07 |
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| schestowitz | Even if that means breach of law (see Gates deposition best hits) | Oct 09 03:08 |
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| twitter | the biology professor's culture lead him to think that, sad | Oct 09 03:08 |
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| jose__ | i really need to force myself to go to sleep | Oct 09 03:09 |
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| twitter | sleep | Oct 09 03:09 |
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| jose__ | no one here is helping | Oct 09 03:09 |
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| jose__ | except you twitter | Oct 09 03:09 |
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| jose__ | thanx | Oct 09 03:09 |
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| jose__ | i shall obey | Oct 09 03:09 |
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| jose__ | why didn't you say so sooner | Oct 09 03:09 |
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| twitter | sleep | Oct 09 03:09 |
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| jose__ | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzxcv hstfhb | Oct 09 03:09 |
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| schestowitz | gn guys. Thanks for the talk. I'm out | Oct 09 03:09 |
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| jose__ | out here too | Oct 09 03:09 |
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| twitter | I have a lot to do tomorrow and need to sleep too. Later. | Oct 09 03:11 |
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| schestowitz | I sent a request for a Mono licence to Microsoft. The E-mail bounced. :-p | Oct 09 08:45 |
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| schestowitz | /Some/ industry... companies forced to pay their abusive monopolistic, bribing competitors: http://www.linuxworld.com.au/inde... | Oct 09 08:46 |
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| MinceR | r4wr | Oct 09 08:47 |
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| schestowitz | IBM seems optimistic < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10062066-92.html >, confirming Jose's claim that "fat" commerce survives while small ones die. | Oct 09 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | Facebooks sells out to manipulated, poor search: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/08... | Oct 09 09:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21067/1063/ "ASUS confirmed it has experienced strong sales of both the Windows XP and Linux Eee PC versions." | Oct 09 09:13 |
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| schestowitz | Turns out the LinuxToday issue was a CMS issue: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=20... | Oct 09 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/64742.html | Oct 09 09:23 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft shill, funded by no small business, is lying to the public: http://blog.actonline.org/2008/10/yeah... (these people should be investigated by the FTC for AstroTurfing). | Oct 09 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | EFF site is down. | Oct 09 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | People should really use Netcraft, not Alexa (Alexa=win+ie+spyware+manipulative webmasters). Some guy thinks that Slashdot's decline (it's a Microsoft zoo) is bad news for Linux. The other thing is, more Linux sites are created, growing at the expense of 'big ones'. | Oct 09 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | Mr. OpenSUSE steps down from the board: http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/10/0... | Oct 09 10:31 |
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| schestowitz | debian.org was temporarily doqn | Oct 09 10:43 |
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| schestowitz | "amazing that corruption is excepted by the entire developed world. stunning that it has met with resistance only with some developing nations and maybe the european union. what should have been an overwhelming anger by all nations . the notion that developed nation are immune to corruption is bogus. microsoft did it in full view, without any hesitation. microsoft should be nailed for this." | Oct 09 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/community... | Oct 09 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | Glyn Moody said on Wednesday, 08 October 2008 : "Indeed: it will be interesting to see if developing nations can now take the initiative in terms of reframing the standards debate." | Oct 09 10:49 |
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| trmanco | lol | Oct 09 14:07 |
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| trmanco | I'm laughing with this -> "Poetry, copyright violation, and OOXML" | Oct 09 14:11 |
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| schestowitz | Where? Alex? | Oct 09 14:24 |
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| schestowitz | OOXML: the poetry of corruption and intellectual property traps. | Oct 09 14:25 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 09 14:26 |
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| schestowitz | Well, he made the point and the files are down. | Oct 09 14:30 |
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| schestowitz | I never bothered to even read them. They just circulated, so I threw copies on the server, not even bothering to try and open a 6,000-page beast. | Oct 09 14:31 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't even realise that it was copyrighted (a standard?? Copyright?). Anyway. I realised this when the HTML version was produced (it showed up in each page). | Oct 09 14:32 |
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| kentma1 | standards usually are copyrighted, but that doesn't mean that they cannot be circulated of necessity. the ITU used to sell my ones, but they give them away now... | Oct 09 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/online/news/oo... | Oct 09 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | The article does not mention that the files were removed after Brown's reaction and it also isn't aware of the fact that I didn't open a 5,000+ page file to see the copyrights remarks. I was under the impression that it was private because it was not final and as it was already being passed around I decided to upload it. | Oct 09 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | What caused a lot of trouble is one of the readers deciding to put it on Slashdot. | Oct 09 14:43 |
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| trmanco | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5930536 | Oct 09 15:07 |
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| _Doug | Microsoft suffering from Google-envy .. | Oct 09 15:08 |
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| _Doug | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/08/da... | Oct 09 15:08 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: I was just looking at that ACPI complaint an hour ago. | Oct 09 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | Put a quote at the bottom of: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1... | Oct 09 15:10 |
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| -_Doug-DCC Chat (78.105.5.61) | Oct 09 15:19 |
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| _Doug | ASUS releases high-end S101 netbook .. | Oct 09 15:23 |
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| _Doug | http://www.electronista.com/articles... | Oct 09 15:23 |
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| _Doug | Top US lawyer hired to prepare Google-Yahoo anti-cartel case .. | Oct 09 15:25 |
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| _Doug | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/s... | Oct 09 15:25 |
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| _Doug | But sees no problem with Microsoft-Yahoo ? | Oct 09 15:26 |
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| _Doug | "Novell invites you to THE DATA CENTER DISCOVERY TOUR 2008" | Oct 09 15:29 |
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| _Doug | "Reduce TCO by 50-70% by migrating SAP workloads from UNIX to SAP-optimised SUSE Linux Enterprise" | Oct 09 15:29 |
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| _Doug | ? | Oct 09 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is still pulling strings vs Google: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1... | Oct 09 15:29 |
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| _Doug | "Simplify your data center with the flexibility to seamlessly move virtual machines between Microsoft Windows and SUSE Linux Enterprise" | Oct 09 15:29 |
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| schestowitz | Funny thing is, you can show Microsoft hiring AstroTurfers here and even breaking laws, but call Microsoft a "criminal" and some AstroTurfers will shoe up mocking you. | Oct 09 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | They prepare the site _Doug | Oct 09 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | First they need to get around to changing all the pages. | Oct 09 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | In case Microsoft buys Novell for slash funds (market cap: $1.6B), then novell.com > novell.microsoft.com Quicker transition | Oct 09 15:31 |
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| _Doug | Program Compatibility Assist | Oct 09 15:34 |
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| _Doug | This program has known compatibility issues | Oct 09 15:34 |
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| _Doug | Check online to see if solutions are available from the Microsoft website .. | Oct 09 15:34 |
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| _Doug | Program: Adobe Acrobat 5 | Oct 09 15:34 |
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| _Doug | Good GRIEF~1 .. can't even view an old PDF .. without a nag screen :) | Oct 09 15:34 |
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| _Doug | Definition of Evangelism at Microsoft | Oct 09 15:36 |
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| _Doug | "Evangelism is the art and science of gettig developers to ship products that support Microsoft's platform." | Oct 09 15:36 |
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| _Doug | We are here to help MICROSOFT | Oct 09 15:37 |
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| _Doug | Enemies: other platform vendors .. | Oct 09 15:37 |
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| _Doug | I should have stuck at selling refrigeration solutions .. :) | Oct 09 15:39 |
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| schestowitz | Do they slog one another? | Oct 09 15:40 |
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| schestowitz | Do they hire proxy lawyer to attack ... errr... fridges? | Oct 09 15:40 |
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| _Doug | No, but we don't keep awake trying to think up ways of BOGUing each other :) | Oct 09 15:41 |
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| _Doug | "STRATEGY: Or, How to Kick Ass Witthout Breaking a Sweat" | Oct 09 15:42 |
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| schestowitz | Is that in this document? http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conte... | Oct 09 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | Which page? | Oct 09 15:44 |
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| _Doug | 'STRATEGY: "To win one hundred battles is not perfection; to subdue the enemy without fighting is perfection." Sun-Tzu: The Art of War, written in China by Sun Wu in roughly 490 B.B.' | Oct 09 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | That I remember... | Oct 09 15:44 |
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| _Doug | Anyone watch 'HEROS' on television recently ? | Oct 09 15:44 |
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| schestowitz | ">Diversionary tactics, holding action, and retreats may each seem contrary to the achievement of the overall objective when considered solely in their own terms, but taken in light of the overall conflict, may contribute to overall success. In the Chinese Civil War that followed World War II, Mao Tse Tung's Army ran away from every battle, until they won the war. They knew that overall victory, not local victory, was the objective" | Oct 09 15:44 |
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| _Doug | Like, the paranoia the obsessiveness, the malevelance .. it's all there ... | Oct 09 15:45 |
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| _Doug | Yea: Mao was playing a giantic game of GO .. | Oct 09 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft: inspired by war. | Oct 09 15:46 |
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| _Doug | gigantic game of GO, the one where you absorbe terrority .. | Oct 09 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | Can we name people in govt. who are Microsoft puppet? | Oct 09 15:47 |
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| schestowitz | Or those paid by Microsoft? This corruption must end. It's killing the economy at the moment , but it really ought to kill the criminals who caused this, not the taxpayers. | Oct 09 15:47 |
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| _Doug | Not GO, a different game, you take turns placing pieces and surround terrority and deny it to the enemy .. | Oct 09 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | The suffering is still being passed to those who were abused so criminal /companies/ need to at least be embargoed in more placs. | Oct 09 15:48 |
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| schestowitz | Risk? | Oct 09 15:48 |
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| _Doug | MS is only doing what they did in the rail/oil/electricity/television/transport industry since for ever ... | Oct 09 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | It has a patent, y'know: http://games.slashdot.org/article.p... | Oct 09 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | "Hasbro owns the copyrights for the game of Risk, as the guy who wrote the google maps based Risk found out. This was featured on slashdot earlier. However, he does not seem too discouraged and asks people to submit ideas for other games using google maps that will not have such legal wrangles." | Oct 09 15:49 |
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| _Doug | Remember when the car industry bought up the electric trolly cars, and then closed them down ... | Oct 09 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | _Doug: it's no excuse. So it's time to respond. Microsoft is now crumbling because of its own stupidity (e.g. Vista) and because of a lot of free labour (FOSS), which is tries to fight by corruption politicians now. | Oct 09 15:51 |
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| schestowitz | Give me 5 minutes and I'll post about what they do in India now. | Oct 09 15:51 |
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| _Doug | If memory serves Risk sounds like a variation of a much older Chinese game .. | Oct 09 15:51 |
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| _Doug | I recall in relation to Mao, it was suggested as an insight into his sucessfull strategy | Oct 09 15:52 |
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| _Doug | Denying the enemy terrority and room to manouver | Oct 09 15:53 |
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| ld50_ | _Doug, i used to watch "heroes" | Oct 09 15:55 |
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| _Doug | Risk: it's a variation of Go, in'it :) | Oct 09 15:55 |
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| _Doug | Heros: a cross between the Matrix, the X-MEN, the Terminator and the FLY .. yea ? | Oct 09 15:56 |
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| ld50_ | only the first season was cool :P | Oct 09 15:56 |
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| _Doug | how many episodes ? .. too many .. the Americans never know when to end it ... | Oct 09 15:58 |
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| _Doug | What's your Lethal Dose :) | Oct 09 15:59 |
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| _Doug | mines a pint .. | Oct 09 15:59 |
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| ld50_ | of what, tv series? | Oct 09 15:59 |
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| ld50_ | lol | Oct 09 16:00 |
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| _Doug | LD50 == Lethal Dose 50%# | Oct 09 16:00 |
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| _Doug | not a lot of people know that :O | Oct 09 16:00 |
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| ld50_ | yes, but its applied to something, like ld50 of caffein | Oct 09 16:00 |
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| _Doug | 50% of the dose that will kill you .. is used to determine the safe dosage of drugs .. | Oct 09 16:01 |
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| _Doug | http://www.rsc.org/ScienceAndTechnology/Policy/EH... | Oct 09 16:02 |
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| ld50_ | not exactly, i think its the dose that will kill 50% of a population | Oct 09 16:02 |
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| _Doug | Heros: what's with the two Chinese dudes and time travel ? | Oct 09 16:02 |
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| _Doug | ld50: negative, they up the dose to an expermental population until half are dead .. that's the LD50 test ... | Oct 09 16:03 |
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| _Doug | a population yes, only they don't ask the rabbits first :( | Oct 09 16:04 |
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| _Doug | Heros: I only saw two episodes, I feel as if I saw them all .. | Oct 09 16:04 |
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| ld50_ | yes, thats what i said, 50% is "50% of the population", not "50% of the dose" :P | Oct 09 16:05 |
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| ld50_ | ah, dont waste your time with heroes | Oct 09 16:05 |
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| ld50_ | watch "Twin Peaks" or something :D | Oct 09 16:05 |
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| _Doug | cryptic comments by some government agent, in a bunker, then a slo-mo kunk-fu fight with super-power-type zapping, then |||| cut to somewhereelse and repeat ..... | Oct 09 16:06 |
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| _Doug | no scent lasting more then two minutes, the attention span of the average tv viewer .. | Oct 09 16:07 |
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| _Doug | try and make it look like a cross between a music video and a RPP game .. | Oct 09 16:07 |
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| _Doug | Real Person something .. you know like HL or CounterStrike .. | Oct 09 16:08 |
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| _Doug | Whizzzz .. Wooshhhhhh .. Wammmmmmmm ... and cut | | Oct 09 16:08 |
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| _Doug | I watched her 'twin peaks', it was believable until the log-lady, and the talking-backwards sinister midget turned up ... | Oct 09 16:09 |
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| _Doug | The thing is, no-one under the age of 18 is watching television ... | Oct 09 16:10 |
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| ld50_ | http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f130/la... | Oct 09 16:10 |
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| ld50_ | great woman | Oct 09 16:11 |
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| _Doug | heros: what's with the two Chinese dudes and the time travel ???? | Oct 09 16:11 |
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| ld50_ | one of the guy time travels | Oct 09 16:11 |
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| ld50_ | thats it | Oct 09 16:11 |
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| _Doug | how and why, and why don't he stop the destruction or what ever ? | Oct 09 16:12 |
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| ld50_ | his friend doesnt have any powers | Oct 09 16:12 |
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| _Doug | They even have a 'Jessica Alba' lookalike .. | Oct 09 16:14 |
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| _Doug | http://www.2flashgames.com/2fgkjn134kjlh1cfn8... | Oct 09 16:15 |
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| _Doug | "multi-episode story arcs that build upon a larger, more encompassing arc." | Oct 09 16:15 |
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| _Doug | shouldn't that be logs :) | Oct 09 16:16 |
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| _Doug | She pouts, but not as well as Jessica .. :) | Oct 09 16:17 |
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| _Doug | http://www.imdb.com/media/rm860263424/tt0813715 | Oct 09 16:17 |
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| _Doug | What is it about chicks in catsuits that do kungfu ? | Oct 09 16:17 |
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| _Doug | ;) | Oct 09 16:17 |
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| _Doug | Daphne ??? what's a superhero doing with a name like Daphne ???? | Oct 09 16:18 |
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| ld50_ | are you watching it on tv or downloaded the eps? | Oct 09 16:20 |
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| _Doug | I saw it on tv .. | Oct 09 16:20 |
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| _Doug | "Daphne has the ability to move at superhuman speed," | Oct 09 16:20 |
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| _Doug | question: what happens to the objects Daphne carries, why isn't there an athmospheric disturbance when she moves ? | Oct 09 16:21 |
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| ld50_ | i wonder if she uses an helmet to protect her hairdo | Oct 09 16:22 |
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| _Doug | like, she's displacing a lot of air, you'd think ther would be a thunder clap ? | Oct 09 16:22 |
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| _Doug | helmet: haaaaa | Oct 09 16:22 |
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| _Doug | Hiro has Hiro, ? | Oct 09 16:23 |
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| ld50_ | han? | Oct 09 16:23 |
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| _Doug | I thought the original X-Men movie was crap, the ideas worked in a Comic, but for some reason they were a little underwelming onscreen ? | Oct 09 16:23 |
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| _Doug | Hiro does 'time-stops' | Oct 09 16:24 |
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| _Doug | What's "THE FORMULA" ? | Oct 09 16:26 |
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| _Doug | Is there the touch of the MANGAs about this series as well ? | Oct 09 16:27 |
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| _Doug | later ... | Oct 09 16:32 |
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| _Doug | gtg: keep an eye on Schestowitz .. while I'm away .... | Oct 09 16:47 |
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| trmanco | two new kernel versions were released today | Oct 09 17:22 |
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| trmanco | http://lwn.net/Articles/302393/ | Oct 09 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | Cool, thanks, trmanco. | Oct 09 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, maintenance releases. | Oct 09 19:24 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 09 19:24 |
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| trmanco | little thing worth mentioning :P | Oct 09 19:24 |
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| trmanco | things* | Oct 09 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | Dow Jones at 88xx points. :-S | Oct 09 19:28 |
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| cj | schestowitz: thoughts about gnome? | Oct 09 20:04 |
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| schestowitz | cj: I like GNOME. | Oct 09 20:18 |
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| cj | schestowitz: do you know who wrote GNOME? | Oct 09 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | Yes. I like KDE better and I hope Miguel changes his mind about things he said. | Oct 09 20:19 |
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| cj | hmm? what did he say that you wish he changes his mind on? url? | Oct 09 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | Ick. http://beranger.org/index.php?page=dia... | Oct 09 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | cj: let me find it. | Oct 09 20:25 |
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| cj | thanks | Oct 09 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | Gnome to be based on .NET – de Icaza : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/02/0... | Oct 09 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | That's a recipe for disaster. | Oct 09 20:25 |
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| MinceR | gnome should stop copying osx if it is to be made into a usable DE again. | Oct 09 20:39 |
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| MinceR | (going back to copying kde would be a way to do that) | Oct 09 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | KDE changes a lot. Either way, GNOME is very important to us all. It's popular on mobile devices and many desktops. We need to protect it from becoming something Microsoft can claim ownership of, especially now that MSFT is going down, despite massive buybacks and impending debt (seen the stack markets today?). | Oct 09 20:44 |
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| MinceR | i'm afraid they already have. | Oct 09 20:46 |
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| MinceR | m$ controls novell, novell owns gnome | Oct 09 20:46 |
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| MinceR | the worst part being that these bastards control gtk now. | Oct 09 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | 'Control' or control? | Oct 09 20:58 |
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| MinceR | well, afaik gtk is part of the gnome project now | Oct 09 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | Novell has more power over Mono than over GNOME. This includes copyrights. That's one of the reasons Novell wants to poison GNOME with more Mono. It sponsors Mono j*nk like Banshee. | Oct 09 20:59 |
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| MinceR | wasn't gnome a ximian thing before ximian was bought by novell? | Oct 09 20:59 |
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| schestowitz | I'd have to check to give a definite answer. The copyrights might not be Ximian's. | Oct 09 21:00 |
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| MinceR | i thought the reason to poison gnome with mono was that m$ told them to since it would turn gnome into a patent trap. | Oct 09 21:00 |
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| MinceR | ic | Oct 09 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Novell is Novell is Novell and Microsoft is Novell is Microsoft. | Oct 09 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | They have no choice. Novell w as dying. This means that whatever Novell does now can be assumed to be Microsoft's desire too. | Oct 09 21:01 |
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| schestowitz | Companies like Canonical need to sponsor Mono-free programs to compete with evolving (using $$) stuff like Banshee before users shout for Mono | Oct 09 21:01 |
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| MinceR | isn't dying better than becoming a zombie/mindless slave? | Oct 09 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | If you can't make them "addicted" to Windows, make them "Addicted" to .NET (both users and devs). That's the thinking anyway. | Oct 09 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | I was sent a warning earlier about the Silverlight Clouds of MS. | Oct 09 21:02 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> "Learn about the Mesh Application architecture and lifecycle as well as how to build Silverlight 2 and JavaScript Mesh Applications from ground up." | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1626 | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> Silverlight everywhere | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> ms is obsolete anyway | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> is it the same AlexH: | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2008/10/symbian-ap... | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> well, not really, they will just try to "capture" the cloud movement and make it dependent on M$ technologies | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Yes | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> Silverlight is just about that | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> if you really want to annoy Miguel, get a patent licence also for Moonlight | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> and all the codecs that goes with it | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> Wil do | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <schestowitz> did EC drop the MOOX probe? | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> there is no probe | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> if they really want to probe, they have to travel to Lebanon and Ivory Coast :-) | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> let's prepare some fireworks for the day the standard is out | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> I don't have time and energy to launch some complains in front of courts | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> and IBM seems to be interested only in chasing Microsoft at the Commission | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | <anon> which is not very exiting | Oct 09 21:03 |
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| MinceR | btw, i wasn't aware that novell was dying before they were zombified | Oct 09 21:04 |
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| MinceR | why did it happen? | Oct 09 21:04 |
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| MinceR | i can see why netware would be dying | Oct 09 21:05 |
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| MinceR | i guess suse wasn't good enough :> | Oct 09 21:05 |
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| schestowitz | Let me gett the backing before Novell enthusiasts attack me | Oct 09 21:06 |
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| schestowitz | In no particular order: | Oct 09 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/0... | Oct 09 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/08/30/... | Oct 09 21:07 |
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| schestowitz | I spotted this last year when a reader sent me some information about their approach towards the bank: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/2... | Oct 09 21:08 |
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| trmanco | http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/RoyalPi... | Oct 09 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | Opera is still losing its chance and being naive < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,1000000567,1... >. It's a free( gratis) Web browser and they would gain against Firefox if they open-source it. Right now it's a no-go even for some repositories. | Oct 09 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: that shot is from last month. | Oct 09 21:11 |
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| trmanco | meh | Oct 09 21:11 |
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| trmanco | something must be wrong with my feed reader | Oct 09 21:11 |
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| trmanco | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/venezuela-gets-it | Oct 09 21:11 |
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| trmanco | this is fresh | Oct 09 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | That's a poor article for a good site like Pingdom. | Oct 09 21:11 |
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| trmanco | why can't Portugal be like Venezuela | Oct 09 21:11 |
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| trmanco | "Although the notebooks are similar in both countries, the OS will be different as the Portuguese use a modified version of Microsoft Windows, while the government of Venezuela has opted for a version of Linux. " | Oct 09 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | Don't they deliver to them? | Oct 09 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | The company under fraud investigation? | Oct 09 21:12 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 09 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | New: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/152072/... | Oct 09 21:12 |
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| trmanco | but venezuela adopted Linux for those netbooks | Oct 09 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | At least it says "Linux", not "SUSE" | Oct 09 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: let's wait and see. OLPC used to just run Linux too. Microsoft also bribed some official in Nigeria to change a signed deal with Mandriva. | Oct 09 21:13 |
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| trmanco | lol | Oct 09 21:13 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 09 21:13 |
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| trmanco | lets wait and see | Oct 09 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.mandriva.com/2007/10/31... | Oct 09 21:13 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 09 21:13 |
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| trmanco | read that a year ago | Oct 09 21:13 |
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| schestowitz | Almost 600 comments. | Oct 09 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | "The dirty bast*rds. they were probably paid to install windows, thats how these things usually go" | Oct 09 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | "Bast*rds! Always do the same with their fucking money…no use for ethics, ah ?" | Oct 09 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | "I am a Nigerian Linux advocate who is as disappointed as the next person that our school children will not have Linux on the Classmate PCS. However, I am disgusted with all the mudslinging and slanderous innuendo. If Francois or anybody has any proof of any wrongdoing then they should please notify the EFCC (www.efccnigeria.org) who will be happy to look into the matter." | Oct 09 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | "Golpe baixo Steve!" Anyway... enough for now. :-) | Oct 09 21:15 |
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| trmanco | http://www.linux-watch.com/n... | Oct 09 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | So they use Debian. ;-) | Oct 09 21:16 |
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| trmanco | yes it was a really disappointing thing, even I felt angry against M$ and a little sorry for the nigerian kids | Oct 09 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Does this Debian version come with Mono? :-O Mono? NoNo. | Oct 09 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | Here's a problem: GNU/Linux becomes more popular, so all the binary salespeople come over and entice people with non-Free s/w: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer... | Oct 09 21:18 |
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| trmanco | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/09... | Oct 09 21:18 |
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| trmanco | yes | Oct 09 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | Blue-GNU is back to posting ( :- ) ): http://blue-gnu.biz/ | Oct 09 21:19 |
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| trmanco | but for people who really wan't to be free they can keep on using free software | Oct 09 21:20 |
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| trmanco | those non-free apps can probably attract more users, "normal users" if you know what a mean | Oct 09 21:20 |
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| MinceR | i wonder who will m$ sell out to when it's their turn to die | Oct 09 21:21 |
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| MinceR | crApple? :> | Oct 09 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | It's disheartening that they think of "Linux", Linus (1991) and some binary O/S (ISO) that has Wine. | Oct 09 21:21 |
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| trmanco | here are some openoffice.org stats from Portugal | Oct 09 21:25 |
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| trmanco | http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/2008/... | Oct 09 21:25 |
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| trmanco | English version: http://translate.google.com/translate... | Oct 09 21:26 |
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| cj | what? OLPC comes with a kernel other than Linux? | Oct 09 21:34 |
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| cj | that's pretty disgusting | Oct 09 21:35 |
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| schestowitz | It's nothing to do with Linux It's education, freedom and independence from vendors. | Oct 09 21:38 |
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| cj | schestowitz: well... wasn't there a vendor selling the hardware and the software that came on it? | Oct 09 21:45 |
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| cj | which vendors are you suggesting freedom from? | Oct 09 21:45 |
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| cj | I still think it's pretty aweful that a last-minute change happened to the kernel installed on the system. the folks who wrote that kernel were deeply involved in the manufacture of the product from the beginning. | Oct 09 21:47 |
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| cj | jumping on the bandwagon at the last moment without contributing to the development of the product seems like a crappy thing to do. | Oct 09 21:47 |
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| cj | but that's capitalism, though, right? | Oct 09 21:48 |
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| schestowitz | The BIOS is open and easily replaceable. The software is open (GPL) and swappable. | Oct 09 21:48 |
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| cj | if it's coreboot, that's GPL, too, IIRC | Oct 09 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Hardware too is a flexible thing. Suppliers can be changed and it's made in China. | Oct 09 21:49 |
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| cj | if what the coreboot devs tell me is correct, there is no open embedded motherboard. | Oct 09 21:49 |
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| cj | the OLPC setup may be an exception to this | Oct 09 21:50 |
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| cj | it sounds to me like they didn't use commodity hardware, instead they had to design their own | Oct 09 21:50 |
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| cj | but I'm just telling you what I remember; don't consider it fact | Oct 09 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | RMS chose OLPC for such reasons. Anyway, any country can customise the software to its own needs and own it. | Oct 09 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | "The US government's debts have ballooned so badly the National Debt Clock in New York has run out of digits to record the spiralling figure." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7660409.stm | Oct 09 21:55 |
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| cj | thanks, Mr. Bush. Good idea there with the deregulation thing. | Oct 09 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | Alex Brown's site is down now. He moved to ASP .NET, so.. | Oct 09 21:56 |
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| cj | schestowitz: thank you for your response to Jeff. it may not mean a lot to you coming from me, but I think he's good people. I've been working with him for quite a while now, and he's always proved himself knowledgable and ready to help fix and improve the software he maintains. | Oct 09 21:57 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Steve Furber in the BBC < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7660928.stm >. I know him... humble man. | Oct 09 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | Same with Miguel. But he takes advice from people who want to ruin Linux or 'share' its success, i.e. embed Microsoft+tax with the Free Desktop. It'll never change. He was put in a bad neighbourhood. | Oct 09 21:59 |
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| cj | I don't always agree with Miguel, but I think he's doing what he's doing for a good reason. | Oct 09 22:00 |
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| schestowitz | He means well, but he's deceived. Until that changes, he can't be trusted and many people already distrust him -- and rightly so. | Oct 09 22:02 |
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| cj | I don't think he's deceived. He's corrected my behavior when I did not realize that I was going to take MS property and integrate it into Mono. He knows where the line is drawn and he won't have it crossed. | Oct 09 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | "BT will outsource 500 staff from its Design and Operate units to Alcatel-Lucent in a seven-year global deal." http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1... | Oct 09 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | "It's hilarious to see the push on "Linux" named sites to push Mono lately. But if you are like me and want to avoid Mono, the list will help you. If you use Mandriva, avoidance includes noticing the automatic updates offered and unchecking the ones that relate to Mono, if you have update set to offer everything there is, not just updates to what you have installed.]" http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php | Oct 09 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft funds abuse-tolerant govt. (Republicans): http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/-comme... | Oct 09 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | "While Democrats kept mum about the Microsoft case, Republicans were quick to blame Microsoft's woes on their political rivals. When he visited Microsoft's home state during the Republican primaries, George W. Bush pointedly declared that he supported 'innovation, not litigation.?' | Oct 09 22:22 |
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| MinceR | gn | Oct 09 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | Good comment: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.... | Oct 09 22:33 |
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| johnny___ | holla | Oct 09 22:49 |
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| schestowitz | Hey there. | Oct 09 22:50 |
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| johnny157 | someone must lynch deicaza | Oct 09 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | No. | Oct 09 22:50 |
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| johnny157 | i cant take it anymore | Oct 09 22:50 |
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| johnny157 | no seriously | Oct 09 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | Explain the problem to people. | Oct 09 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | z> "It's hilarious to see the push on "Linux" named sites to push Mono lately. But if you are like me and want to avoid Mono, the list will help you. If you use Mandriva, avoidance includes noticing the automatic updates offered and unchecking the ones that relate to Mono, if you have update set to offer everything there is, not just updates to what you have installed.]" http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php | Oct 09 22:50 |
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| johnny157 | dude i dont need to void mono | Oct 09 22:51 |
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| johnny157 | deicaza has been on my shitlist for more than 10 years | Oct 09 22:51 |
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| johnny157 | from the moment he destroyed gnustep | Oct 09 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | Linux sites should learn to stop treating Mono like it's part of the desktop. It's as much Linux as Wine is... only LESS necessary | Oct 09 22:51 |
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| johnny157 | tried to hijack windowmaker | Oct 09 22:51 |
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| johnny157 | and the rest of the crap he pulled way before he came up with mono | Oct 09 22:51 |
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| schestowitz | He came in as a Windows man. | Oct 09 22:52 |
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| johnny157 | he failed interview at microsoft | Oct 09 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | You can see it in a 2003/4 interview with him. | Oct 09 22:52 |
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| johnny157 | and he decided to fuck up linux instead | Oct 09 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | GCC was a cheap compiler to him, but he also caught the idealogy. | Oct 09 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | No, he decided to use Linux to grow closer to Microsoft. | Oct 09 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | IMHO. | Oct 09 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | From day one he spoke of the plan to make it COM-compatible and all... | Oct 09 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | GNU Windows. | Oct 09 22:53 |
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| johnny157 | he saw dollars and free labor in the form of stupid kids | Oct 09 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | Gwindows | Oct 09 22:53 |
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| johnny157 | i cant believe he has any credibility left | Oct 09 22:54 |
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| johnny157 | after all these years | Oct 09 22:54 |
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| johnny157 | after bonobo | Oct 09 22:54 |
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| johnny157 | and the crap he spits out at his conventions | Oct 09 22:54 |
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| johnny157 | he is like a rabid dog | Oct 09 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Oh, that. | Oct 09 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Well, OOXML being an example | Oct 09 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | I can't forget how he defends Mirosoft from the EU | Oct 09 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | Like ACT, the Bush Admin and other Microsoft shills. | Oct 09 22:54 |
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| johnny157 | well he got paid pretty good | Oct 09 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | He must have at least been brainwashed a bit, speaking of his professional tendencies. | Oct 09 22:55 |
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| johnny157 | i seem to remember microsoft throwing him out of their conferences | Oct 09 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | VP... probably good 6 digits +big bonuses. | Oct 09 22:55 |
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| johnny157 | they wouldnt acknowledge him in the beginning | Oct 09 22:55 |
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| johnny157 | but once the deal came down with novell | Oct 09 22:55 |
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| johnny157 | they're buddies | Oct 09 22:55 |
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| schestowitz | He hands out at Microsoft. | Oct 09 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | This duality you also find in Justin Steinman. | Oct 09 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | He has just been promoted. | Oct 09 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | The problem is that many Linux people ditched Novell. | Oct 09 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | The Windows people are promoted or hired, which changes Novell. | Oct 09 22:56 |
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| johnny157 | i dont give a fuck about novell | Oct 09 22:57 |
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| johnny157 | i jusÃÆt cant stand it watching these muppets undermine linux | Oct 09 22:57 |
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| johnny157 | little by little | Oct 09 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | They are in the Linux Foundation | Oct 09 22:58 |
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| johnny157 | you should see whats going on in the forums | Oct 09 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | To get Novell 'off' Linux is too much work. | Oct 09 22:58 |
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| johnny157 | everytime someone posts something negative about novell./mono | Oct 09 22:58 |
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| johnny157 | the shill army arrives | Oct 09 22:58 |
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| johnny157 | and they downvote/mod everything to hell | Oct 09 22:58 |
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| johnny157 | twofaced rats | Oct 09 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | One option is to try to change Novell's bahaviour, but as the stock (NOVL) falls, they remain licking the Microsoft Boot for cash. | Oct 09 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | I have no hopes for them. | Oct 09 22:58 |
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| schestowitz | ...or for them to change, which is why, as some people said in Linux Today, we need to just see Novell going away like Linspite. | Oct 09 22:59 |
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| johnny157 | well they ll sink sooner or later | Oct 09 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | johnny157: yes, the shill army. | Oct 09 22:59 |
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| johnny157 | mono aint going anywhere | Oct 09 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | See Glyn Moody's latest | Oct 09 22:59 |
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| johnny157 | java has so much momentum | Oct 09 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Or Alan Lord's recent post on Mono. | Oct 09 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | The Mono shills (some Novell employees too) are everywhere. | Oct 09 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Is Novell Patrolling Open Source Blogs? --- http://boycottnovell.com/2007/09/30/... | Oct 09 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | I should add: Novell has 'gagged' journalists and bloggers before its latest big Microsoft announcement. it polices coverage that way. I bet it's also responsible for that flood of Mono 2.0 coverage. Novell is the Microsoft of Novell. | Oct 09 23:02 |
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| johnny157 | they must be desperate for developrs and new blood | Oct 09 23:02 |
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| johnny157 | yeh | Oct 09 23:02 |
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| johnny157 | they pimp mono news everywhere | Oct 09 23:02 |
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| johnny157 | flood reddit | Oct 09 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | I at least caught how they manipulated coverage. | Oct 09 23:02 |
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| johnny157 | with crappy shit | Oct 09 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | It's more sickening to me than what they do. | Oct 09 23:02 |
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| schestowitz | Revisionist likewise. | Oct 09 23:03 |
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| schestowitz | *sm | Oct 09 23:03 |
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| johnny157 | what i dont understand is why ppl fall for their propaganda | Oct 09 23:03 |
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| johnny157 | their arguments for mono are laughable | Oct 09 23:03 |
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| johnny157 | 0 weight to all of them | Oct 09 23:04 |
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| johnny157 | mono has 0 added value compared to everything else out there | Oct 09 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/04/04/zo... http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/06/op... | Oct 09 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | I've seen myself 'punished' in Digg for criticising Novell or Mono. That's how it goes. Social networking is gamed by corps | Oct 09 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | The dangr is that on the route to promoting Mono they bash GPL and friendly stuff like Java. | Oct 09 23:05 |
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| schestowitz | Sun really wants to see more Java on GNU/Linux... same with OOo, which Novell/Microsoft 'hijacked' with Go-oo | Oct 09 23:06 |
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| johnny157 | you should read this thread here | Oct 09 23:06 |
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| johnny157 | http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comme... | Oct 09 23:06 |
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| johnny157 | but i agree | Oct 09 23:06 |
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| johnny157 | its obvious they adopt microsoft techniques | Oct 09 23:06 |
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| johnny157 | to silence and intimidate | Oct 09 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | It's rebutted here: http://www.computerworlduk.com/commun... (Then the Monovell army arrived) | Oct 09 23:07 |
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| schestowitz | Another 'open-source' scam from Microsoft: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy... ("The SDK only works on Windows (what did you expect?"). | Oct 09 23:13 |
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| schestowitz | Micron to cut workforce by 15 percent, slash flash output : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-1... | Oct 09 23:43 |
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