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PeterKrausyeah, joinfloodJan 18 00:01
schestowitzNothing was missedJan 18 00:02
PeterKrausi knowJan 18 00:02
PeterKraus:)Jan 18 00:02
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MinceRhttp://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=...Jan 18 00:31
MinceRso much about fucking obamaJan 18 00:31
MinceRchange my assJan 18 00:31
schestowitzChange to WindowsJan 18 00:33
MinceRcan we take the remaining shreds of your freedom away?Jan 18 00:39
MinceRYes We Can!Jan 18 00:39
schestowitzIt's not cross-platform and _it was never intended to be_. Obama is becoming just a PR clown to Microsoft... maybe that's the response to the "Get the Mac" ads... president saying "Get Silver Lie and Windows". Remember Zunebama?Jan 18 00:39
MinceRyesJan 18 00:40
MinceRperhaps he'll be a PR clown to both microsoftsJan 18 00:40
schestowitzFree systems = no access to government anymoreJan 18 00:40
MinceRthey can both pay him... until they run out of moneyJan 18 00:40
schestowitzIt's also a repeated offense (I wrote about this yesterday in BN)Jan 18 00:40
MinceRapparently this is the new american dreamJan 18 00:40
schestowitzIt's not as though they didn't know. There was a storm on the Web (Mac users too) when the Democrat convention was almost Windows-only.Jan 18 00:41
MinceRthere's a shockerJan 18 00:41
schestowitzSo expect more of the "Same" (or Shame) in the future. The Change(R) was from standards to XAMLJan 18 00:41
schestowitzHere's the think. I supported Obama (or Nader really. Now he's elected to serve the corporcracy, so based on _his deeds alone_, I don't mind criticising. After all, he'd be president for 4 years regardless of what one writesJan 18 00:43
MinceRwell, i didn't expect much better from him than from WJan 18 00:46
MinceRor from McCainJan 18 00:46
MinceRbut this surprises meJan 18 00:46
schestowitzMcBush?Jan 18 00:46
MinceRyesJan 18 00:46
schestowitzVery few people manage to live the AmericanDream(TM), but those who do (and everyone is tamed to work two jobs to get there) find out that they are deep in debt or corruption that can't be compensated for.Jan 18 00:46
MinceRbut at least there's a lesser chance that he'll come bomb HungaryJan 18 00:46
MinceR(after getting some help from academics to find it on the map)Jan 18 00:46
schestowitzI'm tempted to do a GIMPJan 18 00:46
MinceRi just hope that SweatyB and the gang won't convince him to bomb countries that refuse to "standardize" on m$ crapJan 18 00:47
schestowitzI'll get around to it in a moment.. putting my mental image 'in print' so to speak.Jan 18 00:47
schestowitzFirst they can sackJan 18 00:48
schestowitzOr bomb unless you hard over suspectsJan 18 00:48
schestowitzThey did this in Afghanistan... boom, bang, kaboom until you hand over this list of people (Without any evidence supplied)Jan 18 00:48
schestowitzMany years ago they did the same thing in central AmericaJan 18 00:48
schestowitzNoreaga (spelling wrong) had hundreds of innocent people for the capturing by the US.Jan 18 00:49
schestowitzWorm Attack Continues http://www.pcworld.com/article/1579...Jan 18 00:52
schestowitz*LOL* http://henryjenkins.org/obama%20spock%202.jpgJan 18 00:54
MinceR:)Jan 18 00:55
MinceRthat's a disgrace to vulcansJan 18 00:56
MinceRgnJan 18 00:56
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schestowitzMinceR: this one addresses that issue: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/...Jan 18 01:34
schestowitzEric Lai is spinning Microsoft layoffs now, just like many other Microsoft defenders.Jan 18 01:35
schestowitzMicrosoft Ordered to Delete Browser < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/technolog... >Jan 18 01:37
*schestowitz wonder what tessier thinks of river landing.Jan 18 02:42
tessierRiver landing?Jan 18 02:42
schestowitzNYJan 18 02:43
tessierThe plane that crashed in the Hudson river?Jan 18 02:43
schestowitzCrashed?Jan 18 02:43
tessierIt seems like everything went as it should. Glad they all made it out.Jan 18 02:43
tessierWell, landed, crash landed, whatever you at tocali .Jan 18 02:43
tessierto call itJan 18 02:43
schestowitzWill they float the plane?Jan 18 02:44
tessierYes. In fact it is still floating.Jan 18 02:44
tessierIt never went all the way to the bottom.Jan 18 02:44
tessierIt floated down the river and has come to rest against a pier.Jan 18 02:44
schestowitzCool.Jan 18 02:44
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dsmith_was the plane running Windoze?Jan 18 04:47
dsmith_selling the Internet Explorer browser.....ummmmm I dont remember them selling IEJan 18 04:50
dsmith_heheJan 18 04:50
dsmith_bundling, or shall I say bumbling sureJan 18 04:51
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PetoKrausyeah well, off to ɛdɪnbrəJan 18 08:59
PetoKraussee you laterJan 18 08:59
schestowitzBra?Jan 18 09:03
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PetoKrausthat's IPAJan 18 09:08
schestowitzhttp://www.kroah.com/log/linux/email_sum...Jan 18 09:30
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/8142 "Jan 18 09:32
schestowitzThe Chinese government has pledged 45 billion yuan (nearly $6.6 billion) for media that target foreign audiences, "in an aggressive global drive to improve the country's image internationally." The Xinhua News Agency wants to use the funding to "expand its overseas bureaus from about 100 to 186," nearly enough to have a bureau in every country. "Jan 18 09:32
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.p... "Jan 18 09:35
schestowitzGiven Microsoft's past history of bribes and payoffs the only question now is: Have they yet to secretly bribed an Indian Education official to go with the "free" version of Windows, and then buy enough copies of Office and other Microsoft applications, ensuring data lock-in, so that Microsoft ends up making MORE than they "lost" giving away their OS?"Jan 18 09:35
schestowitzWhat an arsehole spinner: "THANK GOD the One Laptop Per Child Foundation is in financial trouble ("Fund loss staggers group giving laptops to poor children," Page A1, Jan. 9). Aside from the arrogant colonialism implicit in a bunch of MIT hotshots telling dirt-poor Third World people how to educate their children, the whole idea is just silly." http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edi...Jan 18 09:37
schestowitzfor_the_poor/Jan 18 09:37
schestowitzhttp://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editoria...Jan 18 09:37
PetoKrausthe article is quite good thoungJan 18 09:52
PetoKraus*ghJan 18 09:52
PetoKrausit has a pointJan 18 09:52
PetoKrausrightJan 18 09:54
PetoKraussee youJan 18 09:54
tessierhttp://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/17/belki...Jan 18 10:02
tessierCould MS do something similar to inspire trolls and shills and anti-Linux rants?Jan 18 10:02
schestowitzORLY distracts FOSS people again... http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/01/14/th...Jan 18 10:03
schestowitztessier: MS does do that... sending people to shill.Jan 18 10:04
schestowitzThey break EU laws.Jan 18 10:05
tessierYes but this is doing it in a clever way.Jan 18 10:05
tessierAnd paying them directly for their efforts.Jan 18 10:05
tessier"When your best friend is Larry Ellison you know you are in trouble. " - CringleyJan 18 10:28
tessierHahJan 18 10:28
schestowitzHe ought to have been arrestedJan 18 10:32
schestowitzAviations regulations being just the tip of the icebergJan 18 10:33
schestowitzOh god... moles... "I get this from two articles that I read. The first one is Windows 7, Linux Battle for Netbook Supremacy from pcworld and the second is Windows 7 on Netbooks: Does Linux Stand a Chance? which appears to be the original article on CIO. " http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locut...Jan 18 10:35
schestowitzWhat he doesn't tell you is that these articles are written and published by Microsoft moles in IDC-owned publications. It's propaganda.Jan 18 10:36
tessierWho? What about aviation regulations?Jan 18 10:37
schestowitzHe flew under a bridge... these people think the laws don't apply to them.Jan 18 10:37
tessierI'm not sure that flying under a bridge is a violation of the FAR's.Jan 18 10:38
schestowitzHe said it isJan 18 10:41
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tessierHelicopters routinely fly under it.Jan 18 10:44
schestowitzAmazing! Now IDG lets Microsoft EMPLOYEES write articles.Jan 18 10:45
schestowitz"Can Mozilla Prove Firefox Is the Most Secure Browser? -- Jeff Jones, CIO.com"Jan 18 10:45
schestowitzJeff Jones: Microsoft employee and liarJan 18 10:45
schestowitzSome Fanboys Don’t Like Windows 7 Either < http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/2009/01/... >Jan 18 10:48
schestowitztessier: helicopters don't move at ultrasonic speeds.Jan 18 10:49
schestowitzNot that small planed do so, either.Jan 18 10:49
tessierYeah. I'm pretty sure someone would have noticed and thoroughly complained about an ultrasonic shockwave being generated at very low altitude over San Francisco. Once they assessed the damage the injured were cared for, of course. :)Jan 18 10:50
schestowitzEee phones coming, but it doesn't say which platform... C.E.S. Interview: ASUSTek’s Jonney Shih on Computer Displays < http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01... > Jan 18 10:51
schestowitzI'm gonna have to expose the IDC shills today..... I'm just tired of seeing all the Microsoft anti-Linux rhetoric coming from IDG.Jan 18 10:53
schestowitzhttp://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/15/pu... "Yes, Ubuntu 9.04 may very well boot in 21.4 seconds, but my system - running x86-64 Cooker with no tweaks - boots, according to bootchart, in 16. (I’d post the chart but there seems to be a bug in bootchart in Cooker which prevents it shutting down once gdm is up, so the chart goes on until I manually kill bootchartd, so it doesn’t look very clean)."Jan 18 10:55
MinceRgeekingsJan 18 10:55
schestowitzMinceR: here is the mental image I had (without the strings though because I gave up on them) ttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/politics-of-software/Jan 18 10:56
MinceR:)Jan 18 10:56
schestowitzOops http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/...Jan 18 10:56
schestowitzHere is some more BS in response to Microsoft's FUD/slog: http://superphysics.awardspace.com/2009/...Jan 18 10:58
schestowitzhttp://codingexperiments.com/suggested-tips-... "It is absolutely necessary to tone this side of the Linux community down. Users new to Linux feel like that they are in an alien world in which it is dangerous to navigate, and fearing getting flamed from angry Linux users is simply just going to drive them back towards Windows."Jan 18 11:00
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Ziggyschestowitz: heyJan 18 11:36
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seller_liarI was thinking....Jan 18 12:29
seller_liarthe big problem of capitalism is the lack of controlJan 18 12:31
schestowitzHiJan 18 12:33
schestowitzWhat type of control?Jan 18 12:33
seller_liarschestowitz: Lack of control of system productionJan 18 12:34
seller_liarschestowitz: for exampleJan 18 12:34
seller_liarschestowitz: the property owner does not worry about ethics ,and then ,he tris to destroyJan 18 12:35
seller_liarschestowitz: the society for more productionJan 18 12:35
seller_liarschestowitz:  technology is a good exampleJan 18 12:35
seller_liarschestowitz: technology only serves  elite interests ,Jan 18 12:36
seller_liarschestowitz: this excessive obssession for more and more productionJan 18 12:36
seller_liarschestowitz: produces more and more new technology ,butJan 18 12:36
seller_liarthis tecnology destroy all social systemJan 18 12:36
seller_liarschestowitz: The second big problem is ...Jan 18 12:37
*Casperin_ is now known as CasperinJan 18 12:37
seller_liarschestowitz: People targets governments , but the govt does not control production systemJan 18 12:37
seller_liarschestowitz: after neoliberalism era ,people must target companiesJan 18 12:37
Casperinif the capitalistic system was working properly, and people were rational, they would not buy products from these companies, so they would go out of productionJan 18 12:38
seller_liarCasperin: yes, it's a way to boycott a companyJan 18 12:38
Casperinout of business*Jan 18 12:38
seller_liarCasperin: people must target companiesJan 18 12:38
seller_liarCasperin: companies are the new governementJan 18 12:39
Casperin... but they don't. And they aren't rational. I agree with you..Jan 18 12:39
seller_liarCasperin: Companies controls the production systemJan 18 12:39
seller_liarCasperin: thenJan 18 12:39
seller_liarCasperin: the govt is dependant of production systemJan 18 12:39
seller_liarCasperin: ThenJan 18 12:39
seller_liarCasperin: Companies controls the govtJan 18 12:39
seller_liarCasperin: Companies can high prices of health ,education and all other thingsJan 18 12:40
CasperinIt depends on the type of capitalism I supposeJan 18 12:40
seller_liarCasperin:After the neoliiberal era , is going ever worstJan 18 12:40
seller_liarCasperin: All production system ,even health and education ,is controlled by companmiesJan 18 12:41
CasperinI am not a capitalist, but I think we have seen far worse things happen in for instance Soviet RussiaJan 18 12:41
seller_liarCasperin: I' don t like socialismJan 18 12:41
seller_liarCasperin: Capiltalis is not wrong by natureJan 18 12:42
Casperinnothing is... it's all part of nature.. it's happening, isn't it? ;)Jan 18 12:42
seller_liarCasperin: The real problem is , people targets governments , butJan 18 12:42
seller_liarCasperin: the governments does not control the production systemJan 18 12:43
seller_liarCasperin: Companies controls health prices ,education prices and so onJan 18 12:43
seller_liarCasperin: And remember ,companies always desire more and more profitJan 18 12:44
Casperinpeople targets governments, because their only means for targeting a company is boycotting it.. and that can be a huge loss for very little (or no) gainJan 18 12:44
seller_liarCasperin: And then , the taxes will always to be highJan 18 12:44
seller_liarCasperin: No!Jan 18 12:44
seller_liarCasperin: If people boycott windows and all other m$ crap , m$ can be destroyedJan 18 12:45
CasperinI meant on an individual levelJan 18 12:45
seller_liarCasperin: The big problem is  companies are very BIG  , and takes some time to destroyJan 18 12:45
seller_liarCasperin: Ethics is not individualismJan 18 12:46
schestowitzseller_liar: yes, that's an issue (system production)Jan 18 12:46
seller_liarCasperin: There are other ways to convince peopleJan 18 12:46
Casperinit can be... ever read Ayn Rand? ;)Jan 18 12:46
seller_liarCasperin: No, why?Jan 18 12:47
Casperinhe just argues for a very self-interested for of ethics. Not too important for this.. just a side note to your commentJan 18 12:47
Casperinshe*Jan 18 12:47
schestowitzseller_liar: this is not capitalism, eitherJan 18 12:48
schestowitzIt's something esle.Jan 18 12:48
seller_liarschestowitz: But is the actual systemJan 18 12:48
seller_liarschestowitz: and people thinks this "is " capitalismJan 18 12:49
seller_liarschestowitz: Monopolies , and homogenity is anti-capítalismJan 18 12:49
schestowitzWell, they are sold soJan 18 12:49
schestowitzPeople are also taught that theyh can influence politics by tossing a ballot once in 4 yearsJan 18 12:49
seller_liarschestowitz: Governments is the small part of systemJan 18 12:50
seller_liarschestowitz: Little or nothig will change if people live the same way of lifeJan 18 12:50
schestowitzOf course they don't actually control who is up 'for sale', who gets advertised the most and how people are manipulated by PR campaigns (campaign managers and all)Jan 18 12:50
schestowitzSo in most countries democracy is a fallacy, an illusion. And that's just conventional thinking.Jan 18 12:50
schestowitzAs for capitalism, that's more complex.Jan 18 12:51
seller_liarschestowitz: No roy , democracy is beautifulJan 18 12:51
schestowitzBut wait... you can't treat companies and government as though they are separate.Jan 18 12:51
seller_liarschestowitz: the big problem is people only targets governmentsJan 18 12:51
schestowitzWell, take Dick Cheney for example.. from corporations to governmentJan 18 12:51
schestowitzDeborah Majoras... from FTC to P&GJan 18 12:52
seller_liarschestowitz: But , it's not normalJan 18 12:52
schestowitzThe government is itself just like a small companies... with partners and all.Jan 18 12:52
seller_liarschestowitz: This is a deprecated state of democracyJan 18 12:52
schestowitzI talk mostly about the US here..Jan 18 12:52
schestowitzThe UK is not quite as bad yetJan 18 12:52
seller_liarschestowitz: A true democracy uses people and society interestsJan 18 12:52
schestowitzElite peopleJan 18 12:53
seller_liarschestowitz: not companies interestsJan 18 12:53
schestowitzNot people.Jan 18 12:53
schestowitzThere are exceptionsJan 18 12:53
seller_liarschestowitz: but this not fault of democracyJan 18 12:53
schestowitzWhich democracy?Jan 18 12:53
seller_liarschestowitz: This is fault of peopleJan 18 12:53
schestowitzYou speak as though democracy failed...Jan 18 12:53
schestowitzBut there was never *a* democracyJan 18 12:53
seller_liarschestowitz: NoJan 18 12:54
schestowitzIt's a euphemism.Jan 18 12:54
schestowitzIt's like "Americanism"Jan 18 12:54
seller_liarschestowitz: The actual state of democracy is destroyed and deprecatedJan 18 12:54
schestowitzUntil it collapses and reformedJan 18 12:54
seller_liarschestowitz: because people does not worry about companiesJan 18 12:54
schestowitzit happened after the Great Depression I think.Jan 18 12:55
seller_liarschestowitz: And then ., companies have free pass to destroy everythingJan 18 12:55
seller_liarschestowitz: because people does do nothing aboutJan 18 12:55
seller_liarschestowitz: people only attacks the government over and over againJan 18 12:56
schestowitzThat's the dangerJan 18 12:56
schestowitzRealised over 100 years agoJan 18 12:56
seller_liarschestowitz: people must attack companies ,because the companies controls the governm,enteJan 18 12:56
schestowitzCompanies are given carte blanche to trash rights.Jan 18 12:56
schestowitzBut there was no mechanism other than antitrust to prevent thisJan 18 12:56
seller_liarschestowitz: because people does not do nothingJan 18 12:57
schestowitzAnother form of rights erosion comes from government with choruses like "War on terrorism"Jan 18 12:57
seller_liarschestowitz: people only thinks in ipod, itunes,  sex and drugsJan 18 12:57
seller_liarschestowitz: For me it's is only blood for oilJan 18 12:57
schestowitzThey actually have the population terrified enough by chanting this that most people don't mind losing everything.Jan 18 12:57
seller_liarschestowitz: again company interestsJan 18 12:57
schestowitzYes.Jan 18 12:58
schestowitzBut that's politics anywayJan 18 12:58
schestowitzNothing new here.Jan 18 12:58
seller_liarschestowitz: people must attack companies ,because companies controls the sproduction and all systemJan 18 12:58
seller_liarschestowitz: Obama is only a marioneteJan 18 12:59
seller_liarseller_liar:but , the is ...Jan 18 12:59
schestowitzI know :-)Jan 18 12:59
seller_liarschestowitz: but the actual problem isJan 18 13:00
schestowitzI'd put strings in the picture if I found somethingJan 18 13:00
schestowitzGo to Google Images and search for "strings"Jan 18 13:00
seller_liarschestowitz: the capitalism  does not have limitsJan 18 13:00
seller_liarschestowitz: Destroy all the society for better productionJan 18 13:00
seller_liarseller_liar: Companies always to be the only one in the universeJan 18 13:01
seller_liarschestowitz: Companies always toi be the only one in the universeJan 18 13:01
seller_liarschestowitz: Like  intelJan 18 13:01
seller_liarschestowitz: "We have conquered processors"Jan 18 13:01
seller_liarschestowitz: "I need more"Jan 18 13:01
schestowitzThe issue is differentJan 18 13:01
schestowitzIt assumes the world has infinite capacityJan 18 13:01
seller_liarschestowitz: "We are conquering vgas"Jan 18 13:01
seller_liarschestowitz: No , that's not the pointJan 18 13:02
schestowitzThis means that endless pursuit for goals (shareholder) ruins the planet and leads to warsJan 18 13:02
seller_liarschestowitz: The point is the eternal desire to conquer everythingJan 18 13:02
schestowitzWars can be: 1) for control of resource (e.g. Iraq); or 2) attacks from those who are exploited for their resourcesJan 18 13:02
seller_liarschestowitz: Companies does not stop the growing of production systemJan 18 13:02
schestowitzYes, but that's a natural desire to homo sapients.Jan 18 13:03
seller_liarschestowitz: More or lessJan 18 13:03
schestowitzThe question is, can you impose limits internationally?Jan 18 13:03
seller_liarschestowitz: Homo sapiens likes power ,ButJan 18 13:03
schestowitzHubris is a sin and greed like this should be too.Jan 18 13:04
seller_liarschestowitz: when the power Grows too much , the power destroys the humasnJan 18 13:04
seller_liarschestowitz: Ethics destroy powerJan 18 13:04
schestowitz /Any/ power can destoryJan 18 13:04
seller_liarschestowitz: This is the only wayJan 18 13:04
schestowitzIn many cases, it leads to genocide tooJan 18 13:04
schestowitzThere are examples from central and south America tooJan 18 13:04
seller_liarschestowitz: But this not only genocidesJan 18 13:04
schestowitzInvasions for control of governments (and resources)Jan 18 13:05
seller_liarschestowitz: For example , technology is powerJan 18 13:05
schestowitzYes.Jan 18 13:05
seller_liarschestowitz: technology destroy people , enslaves them in addiction (ipod)Jan 18 13:06
seller_liarschestowitz: Technology creates needsJan 18 13:06
seller_liarschestowitz: the only way to save the society is stop " the eternal  desire to conquer everythingJan 18 13:08
schestowitzSo what do you suggest?Jan 18 13:08
schestowitzThe FSF already exists.Jan 18 13:08
seller_liarschestowitz: We dont  need to search for more and more technologyJan 18 13:08
seller_liarschestowitz: The actual technology is goodJan 18 13:10
seller_liarschestowitz: And a little people uses actual tecnologyJan 18 13:10
seller_liarschestowitz: 30% of world does not use technologiesJan 18 13:10
seller_liarschestowitz: The actual tecnology only serves big corporationsJan 18 13:10
seller_liarschestowitz: There's no need to more new tecnology ,because it will destroy even more the societyJan 18 13:10
seller_liarschestowitz: 2Jan 18 13:10
seller_liarschestowitz: People must stop to attack only the govt and attacks companiesJan 18 13:11
seller_liarschestowitz: you for example ,you are doing a good work in BNJan 18 13:11
schestowitzThanks.Jan 18 13:11
schestowitzPatents too are an issueJan 18 13:11
seller_liarschestowitz: But we need , Boycott intel , Boycott Mcdonalds, BoycottNikeJan 18 13:11
schestowitzCreated for companies by lobbiesJan 18 13:11
schestowitzseller_liar: who would do that?Jan 18 13:12
seller_liarschestowitz: I don know ,but is very important to do thisJan 18 13:12
seller_liarschestowitz: If no one do this , the society is condemned to doomJan 18 13:12
seller_liarschestowitz: Look , only 1% of people thinks about ethicsJan 18 13:13
seller_liarschestowitz: This is very sadJan 18 13:13
seller_liarschestowitz:people must use 10% of free time to think about ethicsJan 18 13:13
seller_liarschestowitz: people only thinks in more and more money withou practical valueJan 18 13:14
schestowitzThey are taught thisJan 18 13:14
seller_liarschestowitz: sex, drugs , and technologyJan 18 13:14
schestowitzAlso, confinement of work(ing conditions) don't permit thisJan 18 13:14
schestowitzPeople are spoon-fed ideas rather than given facilities to learn for themselves.Jan 18 13:15
seller_liarschestowitz: Someone needs to break the circle , like BN doesJan 18 13:15
schestowitzcycle?Jan 18 13:15
schestowitzOr circle (works too)Jan 18 13:15
seller_liarschestowitz: yes ,sorry ,cycleJan 18 13:15
schestowitzWe need more peopleJan 18 13:15
schestowitzI already have some people who help here in IRC, in the wiki, etc.Jan 18 13:16
seller_liarschestowitz: I was thinking in make a site ,like boycottplanetJan 18 13:16
schestowitzYou could  write articles too, I'd proofread.Jan 18 13:16
seller_liarschestowitz: But I have little time and expJan 18 13:16
schestowitzThat's like giving up, no?Jan 18 13:16
seller_liarschestowitz: What?Jan 18 13:17
seller_liarschestowitz: ah ,yes,sometimes is very hard to maintain sitesJan 18 13:17
seller_liarschestowitz: 3Jan 18 13:18
seller_liarschestowitz: People must live a new eraJan 18 13:18
seller_liarschestowitz: The era of arts ,not of the powerJan 18 13:18
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schestowitzCulture maybe, not artsJan 18 13:19
schestowitzOr "society", I don't know. These views are expressed outside technology too.Jan 18 13:19
seller_liarschestowitz: People only wants more power , more better system ,more efficcientJan 18 13:19
schestowitzSociety means no "power" though, so it's an uphill battle.Jan 18 13:19
seller_liarschestowitz: people must stop the will of powerJan 18 13:20
schestowitzThe system is built to repel thisJan 18 13:20
schestowitzhere's how it goesJan 18 13:20
seller_liarschestowitz: People must live the lifeJan 18 13:20
schestowitzSince a very young age people are taught they would be rewarded for obedience.Jan 18 13:20
schestowitzThose who deviate are punished via peersJan 18 13:20
schestowitzOn television, it is possible to educate people such that they harass peer who do not 'conform' so to speakJan 18 13:21
schestowitzseller_liar: not quiteJan 18 13:21
schestowitzThe thing is, people think they /do/ live lifeJan 18 13:21
schestowitzBecause they are taught that life is taking a place to other exotic places like Hawaii and dining in restaurants (wage slavery)Jan 18 13:22
seller_liarschestowitz: this is luxury , influenced by companiesJan 18 13:22
seller_liarschestowitz: people must live the a simple lifeJan 18 13:22
seller_liarschestowitz: natural food , good water, good healthJan 18 13:23
seller_liarschestowitz: but people only thinks in a better car , better house and erverthing in universeJan 18 13:23
seller_liarschestowitz: 4 problem ,Jan 18 13:24
seller_liarschestowitz: companies tries to create needs , forcing people to use the tecnologyJan 18 13:25
seller_liarschestowitz: Like m$ does , using "open" formatsJan 18 13:25
schestowitzI don't even feel comfortable nining at restaurant, TBHJan 18 13:25
schestowitzBut people have ways to beautify these actsJan 18 13:25
schestowitz"We're giving them a job"Jan 18 13:25
schestowitz"They are happy to do it"Jan 18 13:26
seller_liarschestowitz: Did you know ?Jan 18 13:26
schestowitz"Without making Nike shoes, there people in Vietnam would hunger".. etc etcJan 18 13:26
seller_liarschestowitz: I was VERY happy to m$ layoffsJan 18 13:26
seller_liarschestowitz: This lessron serves to people find another ethical jobsJan 18 13:26
seller_liarschestowitz: Because , all is unethical ,will dieJan 18 13:27
schestowitzYes, same here.Jan 18 13:27
schestowitzHowever...Jan 18 13:27
schestowitzMy guess is that fewer people will work in IT...Jan 18 13:27
seller_liarschestowitz: M$ in time ,has build a sand castle using uniethical tatics,and people do nothingJan 18 13:27
schestowitzThis means they might end up gardening or somethingJan 18 13:27
seller_liarschestowitz: But must learn the importance of ethicsJan 18 13:28
schestowitzNoneheless: fewer people can /still/ impose DRMJan 18 13:28
seller_liarschestowitz: All the actual system has build in a sand castleJan 18 13:28
schestowitzThe point being, you don't truly resolves the issue, just the number of people involve it making it happen (workforce)Jan 18 13:28
schestowitzseller_liar: I'm copying the text by hand of MS dirty tactics ATMJan 18 13:28
schestowitzRegarding .NET/MonoJan 18 13:28
schestowitzI'll post it soon.Jan 18 13:28
seller_liarschestowitz: But all the people which have lose the job ,will learn the importance of ethics nowJan 18 13:29
seller_liarschestowitz: If people don lose the job , they will never learn the importance of ethicsJan 18 13:29
seller_liarschestowitz: Like , the fish historyJan 18 13:30
schestowitzI know.Jan 18 13:30
seller_liarschestowitz: This is very sad, but people learn fast when sufferJan 18 13:30
schestowitzNo more AmericanDream(R)Jan 18 13:30
schestowitzNo more maxing up 5 credit cards, eitherJan 18 13:30
schestowitzBut other countries suffer too... cascading effectJan 18 13:31
seller_liarschestowitz: Sometimes people must suffer to learn ethicsJan 18 13:31
seller_liarschestowitz: Or dieJan 18 13:31
schestowitzAnd the grip tightens on those who can be abused.Jan 18 13:31
schestowitzI speak to people..Jan 18 13:31
schestowitzMany lost half their wealth of moreJan 18 13:31
schestowitzSo they must teach themselves about unimportance of money.Jan 18 13:31
seller_liarschestowitz:Yes, this is consequence of powerJan 18 13:32
seller_liarschestowitz: If people have a lot of power ,they lot the knowledge and ethicsJan 18 13:33
seller_liarlostJan 18 13:33
seller_liarschestowitz: "Oh , I don need to save money ! " I have a lot moneyJan 18 13:33
seller_liarschestowitz: But with the actual crisis , the people will learn about ethics and knowlegde[Jan 18 13:33
schestowitzYesJan 18 13:34
seller_liarschestowitz: Power destroys the human nature and ethics tooJan 18 13:34
schestowitzBut how long before the minds align wrt developing world?Jan 18 13:34
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schestowitz*me Just editing "<b>Sent</b>: Saturday, October 26, 2001 11:17 PM"Jan 18 13:35
schestowitzLook at Microsofters staying up all night to squash competition for $$$$Jan 18 13:35
schestowitz11:17 PMJan 18 13:35
seller_liarschestowitz: I don know ,but we need to learn ethics for people and ignore the powerJan 18 13:35
seller_liarschestowitz: Big companies are a disease of worldJan 18 13:36
seller_liarschestowitz: The only interest is power and more powerJan 18 13:36
seller_liarschestowitz: Remember opensource focuses in powerJan 18 13:37
seller_liarschestowitz: free software focuses in ethicsJan 18 13:37
seller_liarschestowitz: We don t need more powerJan 18 13:38
schestowitzI know.Jan 18 13:38
seller_liarschestowitz: All these power in our world is destroying usJan 18 13:38
schestowitzOpen source is a marketing routineJan 18 13:38
schestowitzFree software was born to decentralise control.Jan 18 13:38
schestowitzWatch OLPC...Jan 18 13:38
schestowitzIntel couldn't let developing countries be educated.Jan 18 13:39
seller_liarschestowitz: And puts ethics in central pointJan 18 13:39
schestowitzUnless they buy Intel ($$$)Jan 18 13:39
seller_liarschestowitz: People must stop to buy intelJan 18 13:39
seller_liarschestowitz: Americans likes intelJan 18 13:39
seller_liarschestowitz: We must force americans to stop to buy intelJan 18 13:40
seller_liarschestowitz: How ?Jan 18 13:40
seller_liarschestowitz: I don t knowJan 18 13:40
seller_liarschestowitz: But we can not kill americansJan 18 13:40
seller_liarschestowitz: But we must "force " them to stopJan 18 13:41
seller_liarschestowitz: reverse m$ tacticJan 18 13:41
seller_liarschestowitz: For example, we can put more taxes on american productsJan 18 13:42
seller_liarschestowitz: We can create a boycottIntel to inform peopleJan 18 13:42
seller_liarschestowitz: We can create more optimized software for amd productsJan 18 13:42
seller_liarschestowitz: We can explain for people about the bad effects of homogeneous soicietyJan 18 13:43
schestowitzAmericans like Intel?Jan 18 13:43
schestowitzMaybe that's because they are told what to think.Jan 18 13:43
schestowitzThere is a famous joke that goes like...Jan 18 13:43
seller_liarschestowitz: Sorry , I don know, but is a exampleJan 18 13:44
schestowitz"Do the Arabs not like American because America has McDonalds?"Jan 18 13:44
schestowitzOf course not.Jan 18 13:44
schestowitzIt's because the US is looting other countries and people are not dumb enough not to see it.Jan 18 13:44
seller_liarschestowitz: YesJan 18 13:44
schestowitzBut it's easier to accuse them of jealousy, of rabid hatred, religious reasons and so on and so forthJan 18 13:45
schestowitzDon't support AMD, either.Jan 18 13:45
schestowitzLike you can't replace MS with Appler.Jan 18 13:45
seller_liarschestowitz: If cannot stop a company  ,we  can  force it using inderect waysJan 18 13:45
schestowitz*AppleJan 18 13:45
schestowitzNovell suffers a lot because of BNJan 18 13:46
seller_liarschestowitz: I know ,but buy amd for controlling the systemJan 18 13:46
schestowitzGo to Google for exampleJan 18 13:46
schestowitzSearch for "Novell moonlight" for exampleJan 18 13:46
seller_liarschestowitz: AMD is not a good thing, but is the only one capable to control intelJan 18 13:46
seller_liarschestowitz: And mcdonalds salary is very lowJan 18 13:47
schestowitzWhat is WMT?Jan 18 13:47
schestowitzWindows Media T*****?Jan 18 13:47
seller_liarschestowitz: What?Jan 18 13:48
schestowitzMcDonalds would benefit from trade agreements and globalisationJan 18 13:48
schestowitzNow with the Depression, they can lower the wages some more.. like Nike in AsiaJan 18 13:48
seller_liarschestowitz: And mcdonalds can exploit even more the developing ocuntriesJan 18 13:48
schestowitzseller_liar: I do some antitrust stuff on MonoJan 18 13:48
schestowitzI need to get the acronyms right.Jan 18 13:48
seller_liarschestowitz: Mcdonals and nike send the bill for developing countriesJan 18 13:49
seller_liarschestowitz: I don like japanese people tooJan 18 13:51
seller_liarschestowitz: They are very selfish ,and reproduces a lotJan 18 13:51
seller_liarschestowitz: Japanese people are only luck peopleJan 18 13:52
seller_liarschestowitz: Like black people have strong skinJan 18 13:52
seller_liarschestowitz: Japanese people have a bbit more of intelligenceJan 18 13:52
schestowitzJapanese don't reproduce much anymoreJan 18 13:53
seller_liarschestowitz: But I don like , japanese people uses the powe for self interestsJan 18 13:53
schestowitzMany single peopleJan 18 13:53
schestowitzI could find you a video about it...Jan 18 13:53
seller_liarschestowitz: Now, but japanese people lives a lotJan 18 13:53
seller_liarschestowitz: And owns a lot of technologyJan 18 13:53
seller_liarschestowitz: uses patents tooJan 18 13:53
schestowitzJapan exploited China.. along with western countries that got tossedJan 18 13:53
seller_liarschestowitz: And I don like of extreme tecnologyJan 18 13:53
schestowitzYes, they live longJan 18 13:53
schestowitzThey have software patentsJan 18 13:54
schestowitzIt's a monopoly toolJan 18 13:54
schestowitzYou mean, extreme technolisation that reduces humanity?Jan 18 13:54
schestowitzAs in, more stress, no human touch?Jan 18 13:54
seller_liarschestowitz: No, extreme tech for more and more powerJan 18 13:54
schestowitzYesJan 18 13:55
seller_liarschestowitz: Extreme tech for more profitJan 18 13:55
schestowitzThat drove Unabomber nutsJan 18 13:55
schestowitzThat's why he killed people in positions of powerJan 18 13:55
seller_liarschestowitz: Extreme tech for more slaveryJan 18 13:55
schestowitzPeople clicking buttons for a living.Jan 18 13:55
schestowitzRather.. as a way of live, not a living (as in wage)Jan 18 13:55
seller_liarschestowitz: Japanese life is a very artificial lifeJan 18 13:56
seller_liarschestowitz: 12 hours per day of studiesJan 18 13:56
seller_liarschestowitz: More of 50 hours of workJan 18 13:56
seller_liarschestowitz: Excessive consumism and technologyJan 18 13:56
seller_liarschestowitz: Altough , studies is a good thing,but the studies does not learn ethicsJan 18 13:57
seller_liarschestowitz: the study only learns scienceJan 18 13:57
seller_liarschestowitz: More school training does not mean more ethicsJan 18 13:58
seller_liarschestowitz: More school training sometimes means more power and slaveryJan 18 13:58
schestowitzStudy of  work issues?Jan 18 13:59
schestowitzGot source on this?Jan 18 13:59
schestowitzThe US is also an overworked culture, motivated by money and power.Jan 18 13:59
seller_liarschestowitz: noJan 18 13:59
schestowitzBut that's what they are credited and recognised forJan 18 14:00
seller_liarschestowitz: But EU like UK have a school training about of 8hoursJan 18 14:00
seller_liarschestowitz: Japanese people lives 12 hours per day in a schoolJan 18 14:00
seller_liarschestowitz: I think the good and recommended is only 8 hoursJan 18 14:00
seller_liarschestowitz: And all the time does not learn ethicsJan 18 14:01
seller_liarschestowitz: Moral is more important than powerJan 18 14:02
seller_liarschestowitz: Japanese people is credited because of power ,not the moralJan 18 14:02
seller_liarschestowitz: "Oh japan have a lot of power!"Jan 18 14:05
schestowitzTry to say this to those with powerJan 18 14:05
seller_liarschestowitz: But japan is not of example the good ethicsJan 18 14:05
schestowitzThe aim is to pass(propagate) this power downstream to future gens.Jan 18 14:05
schestowitzJapan lacks ethics based on its historyJan 18 14:06
seller_liarschestowitz: Like roman eraJan 18 14:06
schestowitzBut so are many other countries.Jan 18 14:06
schestowitzThe US nuked Japan for example.Jan 18 14:06
seller_liarschestowitz: Yes , but japan can be a example of good ethics , but it's notJan 18 14:06
seller_liarschestowitz: japan is "just a hacker "Jan 18 14:07
schestowitzJust a hacker like Michael Meeks? ;-)Jan 18 14:08
seller_liarschestowitz: yesJan 18 14:08
seller_liarschestowitz: Japan only works , there's no space for ethicsJan 18 14:09
ushimitsudokiseller_liar: you are japanese?Jan 18 14:09
seller_liarseller_liar: No , why?Jan 18 14:09
seller_liarushimitsudoki: no why?Jan 18 14:09
ushimitsudokiseller_liar: just wondering what your basis for this opinion was.Jan 18 14:10
seller_liarushimitsudoki: Japan  just do the workJan 18 14:11
seller_liarushimitsudoki: Japan is not a master representation of ethicsJan 18 14:11
seller_liarushimitsudoki: Of course, US ,Brazil  is notJan 18 14:11
seller_liarushimitsudoki: The differncial in japan is .......luckJan 18 14:13
seller_liarushimitsudoki: But japanese people used the luck to grow in economicsJan 18 14:13
schestowitzushimitsudoki: I'm basing a new post on your findingJan 18 14:13
schestowitzOne about .NET..Jan 18 14:13
ushimitsudokicool i will read it when i get back!Jan 18 14:14
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schestowitzNew wiki theme: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?t...Jan 18 14:41
schestowitzThere are 7 options now (7 themes)Jan 18 14:41
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tomkagood morning/afternoon everyoneJan 18 14:43
seller_liarushimitsudoki: Sorry for talk about japanese peopleJan 18 14:43
ushimitsudokiseller_liar: *shrug* everyone is entitled to their opinionsJan 18 14:44
tomkai am here to gather information about "why organisations switch back to microsoft from OS sometimes?"Jan 18 14:44
tomkacan you help me?Jan 18 14:45
schestowitzHey, tomka Jan 18 14:45
schestowitzCare to give a specific example?Jan 18 14:46
schestowitzI'm working on some evidence/cause soon... Microsoft's illegal tacticsJan 18 14:46
tomkai know about a hungarian tv station, which "switched" from linux to msJan 18 14:46
tomkain reality, they had an old linux server for e-mailsJan 18 14:47
schestowitzThey could be bribed to do it, in one way or anotherJan 18 14:47
tomkathey wanted something new, shinyJan 18 14:47
schestowitzThere is no way to know without a look insideJan 18 14:47
schestowitzAll I can do is exposed what I have access to Jan 18 14:47
tomkaso they bought five (5) ms servers with exchange, sharepoint, etc, and used the old linux as a frewall to protect the windowses from the Evil InternetsJan 18 14:47
schestowitzAll else remains a "speculation" or "conpiracy theory". With antitrust material I have concrete evidence.Jan 18 14:47
schestowitzMicrosoft marketing?Jan 18 14:48
tomkayes, this info is from a MS case studyJan 18 14:48
schestowitzWell, at this moment I talk to someone about a smoking gun from MicrosoftJan 18 14:48
schestowitzThey lies to people about Linux...Jan 18 14:48
schestowitzMS Case study...Jan 18 14:48
tomka:)Jan 18 14:48
schestowitzSo here is how it goesJan 18 14:48
schestowitz"here's one million"Jan 18 14:48
schestowitz"Dump Linux"Jan 18 14:48
tomkayeah, the "funds" i read about on your pageJan 18 14:49
schestowitzThen they tout this case study and suggest everyone does that sameJan 18 14:49
schestowitzI'll published another part of IDC|Gartner corruption tomorrowJan 18 14:49
schestowitzIt shows what could be criminal behaviour from Microsoft.Jan 18 14:49
tomkasounds interestingJan 18 14:51
schestowitzSCO tooJan 18 15:00
schestowitzMaybe Groklaw will be interested.Jan 18 15:00
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schestowitzMicrosoft should exit the Zune business < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_... >. Microsoft goes on the defense with statements now..... this one Asay deserves karma for, for a change.Jan 18 15:41
schestowitzWhy Microsoft left Windows 7 unpatched on Patch Tuesday < http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/20... >Jan 18 15:43
schestowitzhttp://i.gizmodo.com/5132193/help-micro... Help Microsoft Design a Better BSOD for Windows 7Jan 18 15:44
schestowitzSlice through "Microsoft" news this week: for "Vista": 2 out of 700; for "ows 7": about 20 out of 700; Microsoft is ditching the Vista brandJan 18 15:45
schestowitzHeadlines about "XBox" don't mention the "N" word (Nintendo)... just a slog against another loser, Sony.Jan 18 15:47
schestowitzMicrosoft Hides Sales Figures to Community Games Devs < http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/18544/Micros... >Jan 18 15:47
schestowitzEDGI: From FOSS, govt moves on to Microsoft < http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/f... >Jan 18 15:48
schestowitzCitizens should sue or something. Cronies sell their rights to Microsoft.Jan 18 15:49
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schestowitzhttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/18/a...Jan 18 16:36
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/157912/micr... http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?... I made the same observation last year.Jan 18 16:39
schestowitzFederated Media announces layoffs, shift away from display ads< http://news.cnet.com/8301-17... >. Good riddance, less brainwashJan 18 16:39
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seller_liarI was thinking.....Jan 18 16:43
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seller_liarmedia and press sees fusions as a good thing/Jan 18 16:43
schestowitzseller_liar: news...Jan 18 16:44
schestowitzMS' investments in Comcast are moving.Jan 18 16:44
schestowitzThis is related to Globo in Brazil.Jan 18 16:44
schestowitzhttp://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/17/...Jan 18 16:44
seller_liarit's a good thingJan 18 16:45
seller_liarm$ losing powerJan 18 16:45
seller_liarComcast is a company in US which traffic -shape .Or not?Jan 18 16:47
schestowitzhttp://www.thespoof.com/news/spo... http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-google-lay...Jan 18 16:47
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB1231978867... http://www.thestreet.com/story/10457992/1/microsoft-mu...Jan 18 16:47
schestowitzhttp://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/0... http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Mul...Jan 18 16:47
seller_liar5000 only?Jan 18 16:47
schestowitzhttp://blog.wired.com/games/2009/...Jan 18 16:48
seller_liarI was thinking in 7500 or 10000Jan 18 16:48
schestowitzOptimistic analysts think so.Jan 18 16:48
schestowitzThey could make it gradual and also lay off temps (not renew contracts)Jan 18 16:48
seller_liarschestowitz: damage control probablyJan 18 16:48
schestowitzWhen this is announced next week, we must amplify itJan 18 16:48
seller_liarschestowitz: only 5000 but in fact can be 6000 or 8000Jan 18 16:49
schestowitzIt's not often that you can show to the public that 'omnipotent MS' is a Big LieJan 18 16:49
schestowitzExplain this to your friends/family too...Jan 18 16:49
seller_liarschestowitz: probably 5000 can be 8 % of all workforceJan 18 16:49
schestowitzThey think Microsoft is rich, Gates is charitable and Windows is used by many because it's the best optionJan 18 16:49
schestowitzMicrosoft uses talking heads to perpetuate these mythsJan 18 16:50
schestowitzRight now it used its talking heads to do damage control and underplay the layoffsJan 18 16:50
schestowitzIt will try the same thing next week.Jan 18 16:50
schestowitzExcuses and the likes, diversion and distraction. You'll see....Jan 18 16:50
seller_liarschestowitz: Try to scan the next possible layoffsJan 18 16:50
schestowitzWill do.Jan 18 16:51
seller_liarschestowitz: But it's not so easy because m$ will send bit by bitJan 18 16:51
seller_liarschestowitz: like 200 per monthJan 18 16:51
schestowitzGoogle Expected To See Slight Rise In 4Q Net Despite Economy <  http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO... >Jan 18 16:51
schestowitzYes, but there are subsidiaries tooJan 18 16:52
schestowitzIt's complicatedJan 18 16:52
schestowitzhttp://www.informationweek.com/blog/ma...Jan 18 16:53
seller_liarschestowitz: COLA will be more free nowJan 18 16:53
schestowitzHehe. yeah..Jan 18 16:53
schestowitzHopefully...Jan 18 16:53
schestowitzIt's already quieterJan 18 16:53
seller_liarschestowitz: I don t like google, it's a web sand castleJan 18 16:53
schestowitzI'm going to do a good post on MonoJan 18 16:54
seller_liarschestowitz: about what?Jan 18 16:54
seller_liarschestowitz: patents? api?Jan 18 16:54
schestowitzGoogle I don't stand for or defend.... like IBM... just predatory giants knocking one anotherJan 18 16:54
schestowitzIt's like being occupied by a nation that takes away your freedomJan 18 16:54
schestowitzYou'd rather be occupied by the US, not China...Jan 18 16:55
schestowitzMicrosoft is China... it suppresses freedom very aggressively.Jan 18 16:55
schestowitzseller_liar: antitrustJan 18 16:55
seller_liarschestowitz: I'm bit worried because google and ibm can absorb all m$ marketJan 18 16:56
seller_liarschestowitz: And the things will be worstJan 18 16:56
schestowitzAre we supposed to be impressed by IBM? http://www.crn.com/it-channel/212900625Jan 18 16:56
schestowitzseller_liar: I know.Jan 18 16:56
schestowitzLotus is still proprietary.Jan 18 16:56
schestowitzI mailed them about it, but they're like Microsoft.Jan 18 16:57
schestowitz"if you really want to /view/ source code, we can arrange that..."Jan 18 16:57
seller_liarschestowitz: Sun contributes a lot more than IBM despite your sizeJan 18 16:57
schestowitzYes.Jan 18 16:58
schestowitzApple is the worst, bar MSJan 18 16:58
seller_liarschestowitz: The most worst thins in actual system is the total dependency of highJan 18 16:58
seller_liarproductivityJan 18 16:58
schestowitzPeople are now becoming more scared of WIndows: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?comman...Jan 18 16:58
schestowitzseller_liar: I don't follow. Can you rephrase pls?Jan 18 16:59
seller_liarA big problem in actual economical system is the complete dependency of big marketsJan 18 16:59
seller_liarseller_liar: lack of money distributionJan 18 17:00
seller_liarschestowitz: lack of moneyu distributionJan 18 17:00
twitterHi all.Jan 18 17:00
schestowitzApple suffered a lot from Jobs' departure: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/apple-...Jan 18 17:01
schestowitzwb, twitter Jan 18 17:01
schestowitzseller_liar: yes, agreed.Jan 18 17:01
twitterIt's funny.  Bloomberg had a story about Apple shares falling the day before they fell.Jan 18 17:01
schestowitzAfter Weeks Of Gloomy Rumors, Microsoft To Report Earnings < http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-200... >Jan 18 17:02
schestowitztwitter: maybe they fell two days in a row?Jan 18 17:02
twitterno.  The Bloomberg story ran the day Apple made it's announcement.  The share price fell the next morning .... after all the doom and gloom stories.Jan 18 17:03
schestowitztessier: http://www.tajikistannews.net/story/452441 (China censors websites in vulgarity crackdown)Jan 18 17:04
twittercan you actually get to that wsj article.  They've had the same teaser for days with different Google news headlines.Jan 18 17:04
twitter*?Jan 18 17:04
schestowitzRoom for inside-trading at AppleJan 18 17:04
schestowitzThe FraudStreet is so manipulation-enabled; but it hadn't crashes until recently.Jan 18 17:04
schestowitztwitter: I can't, but BugMeNot might helpJan 18 17:05
twitterGoogle news' tech section has also started picking up comments from Wintel articles - total astroturf and worse than Slashdot comments.  The place is spammed out.Jan 18 17:05
seller_liarschestowitz: RIAA vs mp3 guy will be live !Jan 18 17:05
schestowitzYeah, Dell is 'very serious' about ditching Microsoft.. very .... "Dell has acquired Allin's Microsoft IT consulting business" http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/busine...Jan 18 17:06
twitterThey said they were?Jan 18 17:06
schestowitzGoogle News is spammedJan 18 17:06
twitterspammed badly.Jan 18 17:06
schestowitzI have some filters in Thunderbird to clean it up, deleting items from publications I hareJan 18 17:06
schestowitzSys-Con is a massive Google News spammerJan 18 17:06
twitterI hope Google can fix themselves.Jan 18 17:07
schestowitzThe accurate term if keyword stuffing I think. 2/3 of the page are just company names to stuff up the engineJan 18 17:07
schestowitzDon't worry, Google have 10,000 MSFTers to recruit from now... :-SJan 18 17:08
twitterHave job cuts been announced?Jan 18 17:08
schestowitzNext weekJan 18 17:08
schestowitzI reckon MS gave WSJ a hintJan 18 17:08
schestowitzThis way it's excpectedJan 18 17:08
schestowitzSo when they announce poorer than expected results they'll offer the 'medicine'Jan 18 17:09
twitterThey gave everyone a hint and spammed it out so badly it will be hard to find the real story later.Jan 18 17:09
twitterThey understand that a flood of lies is effective.Jan 18 17:10
schestowitzhttp://www.schaeffersresearch.com/commenta... "Today's Early Edge includes restructuring news from Autodesk, Inc. (ADSK), rumored job cuts at Microsoft Corporation (MSFT), valuation concerns for Force Protection, Inc. (FRPT), and a cautiously bullish note for Delta Air Lines, Inc. (DAL). Read on to learn more about todayJan 18 17:10
schestowitz's stocks on the move.Jan 18 17:10
schestowitz"Jan 18 17:10
schestowitzHave they flooded Google with enough "Win7" and "Linux killer" headline yet?Jan 18 17:11
schestowitz*linesJan 18 17:11
twitterThat's another big spam.Jan 18 17:11
twitterThey said things like that about Vista, didn't they?Jan 18 17:12
schestowitzYes, many timesJan 18 17:12
schestowitzThey also spread this in forumsJan 18 17:12
schestowitz"Last nail on Linux' coffin" was a popular phrase at the time (re: Vista)Jan 18 17:12
twitterEd Bott promised Win 7 for July.  Freezing the market as best as they can.Jan 18 17:12
schestowitz2010 is likelyJan 18 17:13
schestowitzIt's too buggyJan 18 17:13
twitterSure, but they keep bullshitting people in order to keep people from leaving.Jan 18 17:13
twitterIf what I've seen is typical, people who go to Vista are as good as gone to them.  It's still that buggy.Jan 18 17:15
schestowitzWrite this in your book: TGdaily is MS propaganda siteJan 18 17:15
schestowitzBased on who writes there and what they publishJan 18 17:15
twitterVista 7 is not really going to be better.Jan 18 17:15
schestowitzToo much pro-MS stuff and Linux/Apple-hostile stuffJan 18 17:15
schestowitzIntel, Cisco and Microsoft look to improve global education < http://www.tgdaily.com/content/v... >Jan 18 17:15
schestowitzEDGIJan 18 17:15
schestowitzVista 7 is going to be better than Vista.Jan 18 17:15
schestowitzBut that's not saying much.Jan 18 17:16
twitterit is VistaJan 18 17:16
schestowitz+lipstick+hype (marketing)Jan 18 17:17
twitterVista has improved but it's still a mess of monthly and service patches, DRM, security flaws and all that.Jan 18 17:17
schestowitzThey are trying to rally and prepare 3rd-party devs/ISVsJan 18 17:17
twitterIf you do what M$ tells you, it bricks itself.Jan 18 17:18
schestowitzThis reminds me of the EDGI docs: http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2233779...Jan 18 17:19
schestowitzLook at this fluff... http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?...Jan 18 17:20
twitterThe uptick if viruses and system failures is typical for a new Windows launch.  They want to destroy XP so that people will be forced to buy new computers.  It's amazing they try to pull the same stunt in a recession.Jan 18 17:20
schestowitzMicrosoft.. familiy... they play the same mental game with minority groups... part for the PR assault.Jan 18 17:20
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twitterM$ may "win" Yahoo, but they can only do to it what they did to Hotmail.Jan 18 17:21
schestowitzCopying from Google again: Microsoft launches a policy blog  < http://www.prweekus.com/Microsoft-launches-... >Jan 18 17:23
twitterPOS with windows?  There have been so many embarrassments there, how can they dare recommend more of the same?Jan 18 17:23
schestowitzMany UK ATMs runs WindowsJan 18 17:23
schestowitzThe other day in the Metro, it was reported that an ATM had been giving people twice what they requestedJan 18 17:23
schestowitzIt lasted for 6 hoursJan 18 17:24
schestowitzMicrosoft tried telling people that it's s*ware isn't so bad.. http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/security/... "Microsoft: Phishing losses greatly over-estimated"Jan 18 17:27
schestowitzNext they blame the users for being "stupid", not the programmerJan 18 17:27
schestowitzMicrosoft’s New Advertising Campaign: “It’s Everybody’s Business” http://www.designtaxi.com/news.jsp?id=...Jan 18 17:29
schestowitzIt has occured to me that it would be good to start referring to Windows XP as "Windows 2001"Jan 18 17:30
schestowitzThis will raise awareness of how old and rusty Microsoft's 'best OS' really is and encourage trying -- say -- Mandriva 2009Jan 18 17:31
schestowitzMicrosoft Spiraling < http://thedenveregotist.com/article/34... >Jan 18 17:31
twitterW2K+1 = XPJan 18 17:40
twitterThe "I'm minding Everyone's Business" has Unlimited Potential.Jan 18 17:40
schestowitzIt's 2009 now, so calling Windows XP Win2001 would be usefulJan 18 17:40
twitterYes.Jan 18 17:41
schestowitzLike saying, "you're so yesterday"Jan 18 17:41
schestowitzI have Mandriva 2008.1 on this box (Spring)Jan 18 17:41
twitter2001, a retro future oddityJan 18 17:41
schestowitzWin7: "you're so beta"; Vista: "even Seinfeld couldn't take it anymore"Jan 18 17:42
schestowitzWhat the Eff… Is Wrong With Microsoft? < http://loot-ninja.com/2009/01/15/wha... >Jan 18 17:43
schestowitzVMware hiring ex-Microsoft execs; Marathon helps Citrix and now Microsoft with HA and FT < http://weblog.infoworld.com/virtualiza... >Jan 18 17:43
schestowitzIt's wrong. _EMC_ hies ex-Softies, VMware got tossed inside out (if that's possible). Tucci is slimy suit.Jan 18 17:44
twitterPhishing, it's all the media's fault they say, " stories of easy money may be encouraging a phishing "gold rush" effect"  Don't tell the truth, it will only make things worse.  How pathetic.Jan 18 17:45
schestowitzYes, I know.Jan 18 17:48
schestowitzAnyway, I'm off to the gym now. bblJan 18 17:48
twitterlaterJan 18 17:48
trmancohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9fqlI9B6QUJan 18 18:10
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twittergoing to watchJan 18 18:33
twitterM$ Death Watch updated with M$'s 1998 GNU/Linux awareness and 2002 Linux Panic Attack.  http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jour...Jan 18 18:34
twitterit's lunch time, bblJan 18 18:34
twitterThis stuff is hard to look at, http://cc.aljazeera.net/Jan 18 18:50
twitterOne interview summed it all up for me.  A woman without water and electricity pointed to her broken windows, wrecked walls and shrapnel.Jan 18 18:52
twitterAsked, "Do you blame Hamas for this?"  she answered, "No, it's been the same since I was a little girl.  We are punished whoever is in power."Jan 18 18:53
schestowitzThe Wiki is coming along nicely. It'll evolve and look good at the end. I'll also link to Groklaw, Register, etc over time.Jan 18 19:46
schestowitzCircuit City clears shelves ahead of closure http://www.itwire.com/content/v...Jan 18 20:07
schestowitzCircuit City, I Won't Miss You < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157925/cir... >Jan 18 20:08
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schestowitzhttp://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-fe... "Many UK ISPs have censored part or all of the Internet Archive. The idea that the public should be "protected" from certain ideas is more dangerous than anything they try to "protect" us from."Jan 18 20:32
schestowitzThe third runway is the final betrayal < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/... >Jan 18 20:36
schestowitzSFLC: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/bl... (LGPL'ing of Qt Will Encourage More Software Freedom)Jan 18 20:57
tessierFinal betrayel?Jan 18 23:18
tessierbetrayalJan 18 23:18
schestowitzWhere?Jan 18 23:18
tessier<schestowitz> The third runway is the final betrayal < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20... >Jan 18 23:18
schestowitzOh, *that*Jan 18 23:18
tessierWhat do you mean?Jan 18 23:19
schestowitzGlobal warming ignored by the Clown regimeJan 18 23:19
schestowitzThere is also Internet censorship in Germany now.Jan 18 23:19
tessierAnother runway will cause global warming?Jan 18 23:19
schestowitzThat's what they say.....Jan 18 23:19
schestowitzErosion of rights either way, re: GermanyJan 18 23:20
tessierINdeedJan 18 23:20
schestowitzThanks for this pointer BTW: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/18/as...Jan 18 23:20
schestowitzI'm doing many posts nowJan 18 23:20
tessierYou're welcomeJan 18 23:21
*tessier downloads Fedora 10 and hopes to finally reinstall his desktop todayJan 18 23:21
tessierMaking and verifying backups now.Jan 18 23:21
schestowitzF10 got decent reviewsJan 18 23:22
schestowitzF9 was a mess based on what I read at the timeJan 18 23:22
schestowitzMS sued: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/18/mi...Jan 18 23:22
twitterI still don't follow the logic behind lgpl of QT.  QT and the OS are free now, how is moving to the lgpl and encouraging proprietary stuff on top of it supposed to make QT "community developed"?Jan 18 23:53
MinceRit means Qt remains just as useful even without NokiaJan 18 23:54
MinceRcommercial developers can improve Qt knowing that they get to keep using it even if Nokia goes underJan 18 23:55
schestowitzBut.. but... Nokia is in Finland (up north)Jan 18 23:57
MinceRlolJan 18 23:57
schestowitztwitter: you'll love this video.Jan 18 23:57
MinceRmaking Qt LGPL was IMO a necessary step for it to compete with GTKJan 18 23:57
schestowitzI stilll proofread it though: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/...Jan 18 23:58
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MinceRrestricting who can use a GUI toolkit means your GUI environment will by necessity be non-uniform, which is bad in a usability senseJan 18 23:59

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