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| schestowitz | More background here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/... | Mar 05 22:05 |
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| _Hicham_ | so obama is not using Linux on his laptop for sure | Mar 05 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Adobe's no Red Hat: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/... (Adobe expects disappointing Q1 sales) | Mar 05 22:06 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: where did you hear such a thing? | Mar 05 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I don't even think he uses a Mac | Mar 05 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if he knows what Linux is (other than very basically) | Mar 05 22:06 |
| schestowitz | He's a spokesman | Mar 05 22:06 |
| _Hicham_ | he is a harvard graduate | Mar 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Exactly. | Mar 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | It would be nice to have him questioned without prior preparation | Mar 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | "So tell us, what does Ubuntu mean?" | Mar 05 22:07 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, that would be very funny | Mar 05 22:08 |
| schestowitz | "What................ are your policies?" [obama gasps] | Mar 05 22:08 |
| schestowitz | They never talk about clear plans. That's left for others to decide | Mar 05 22:08 |
| _Hicham_ | :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D | Mar 05 22:08 |
| _Hicham_ | the president is just a spokesman as u said | Mar 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | They called Kerry a flip-floppers because he tried to appeal to both sides | Mar 05 22:09 |
| _Hicham_ | u can't appeal to both sides | Mar 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | The people who run the country are paid well | Mar 05 22:09 |
| _Hicham_ | no one can do that | Mar 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | “Did you know that there are more than 34,750 registered lobbyists in Washington, D.C., for just 435 representatives and 100 senators? That's 64 lobbyists for each congressperson.” | Mar 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | It's probably more now. | Mar 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/03/me... | Mar 05 22:10 |
| *schestowitz np: The Zombies - A Rose for Emily (Stereo) | Mar 05 22:11 | |
| schestowitz | The Microsoft shill Shane O'Neill is attacking Linux again with Big Lies | Mar 05 22:13 |
| schestowitz | He cites Microsoft-sponsored BS | Mar 05 22:14 |
| schestowitz | And suggests that people choose Linux for cost, not security, power, freedom, etc. | Mar 05 22:14 |
| schestowitz | "Though Linux's 0.88 percent OS market share hardly qualifies as a threat, Linux does compete with Microsoft in more areas than Apple and it is much cheaper. "Cheap" takes on an appealing sound in an economic recession." | Mar 05 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Time for CIO to toss out the Microsoft shill, who by his own admission sat and spoke with Ballmer 2-3 weeks ago | Mar 05 22:14 |
| schestowitz | They recently fired a FOSS-oriented writer from CIO Magazine (IDC). IDC is now apparently picking up more of the lackey who preach in favour of IDC's big client, Microsoft. There's a history of corruption there, too. | Mar 05 22:15 |
| _Hicham_ | linux is holding 0.88 because of games, and other accessories | Mar 05 22:16 |
| _Hicham_ | and as Balzac said, linux needs more porn :D | Mar 05 22:16 |
| schestowitz | It's not the market share | Mar 05 22:16 |
| schestowitz | It's a lie. | Mar 05 22:16 |
| schestowitz | But they recite it | Mar 05 22:16 |
| _Hicham_ | I know that it s a lie | Mar 05 22:17 |
| schestowitz | That's the beauty of big lies. If repeated often, people struggle to think differently. | Mar 05 22:17 |
| _Hicham_ | the linux market share is more than that | Mar 05 22:17 |
| schestowitz | And it's recited a lot in IDC/IDG, as I pointed out many times in BN | Mar 05 22:17 |
| schestowitz | They seed this stuff | Mar 05 22:17 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure if it's good that they make an illusion of low market share | Mar 05 22:17 |
| _Hicham_ | if gamers move to linux, M$ can't lie anymore | Mar 05 22:17 |
| schestowitz | But either way, it's intended to repress and demoralise | Mar 05 22:18 |
| schestowitz | So it's harmful. | Mar 05 22:18 |
| schestowitz | See the comments in LinuxToday | Mar 05 22:18 |
| schestowitz | First one especially: http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_manage... | Mar 05 22:18 |
| _Hicham_ | I don't know why game programmers uses DirectX | Mar 05 22:18 |
| _Hicham_ | OpenGL is simplier though | Mar 05 22:18 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : what do u think of the open source projects written in MFC? | Mar 05 22:19 |
| schestowitz | OpenGL 3.0 is great | Mar 05 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can use money to get programmers confused | Mar 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Or bribes | Mar 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Confused by spreading shills in channels of information | Mar 05 22:20 |
| schestowitz | MS: "Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input. Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them. Thus, you control mindshare!" http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conten... | Mar 05 22:20 |
| _Hicham_ | I am thinking about Microsoft technologies in open source project | Mar 05 22:21 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u think of that? | Mar 05 22:21 |
| _Hicham_ | example | Mar 05 22:22 |
| _Hicham_ | 7zip | Mar 05 22:22 |
| _Hicham_ | eMule | Mar 05 22:22 |
| _Hicham_ | MikTex | Mar 05 22:22 |
| _Hicham_ | and many more | Mar 05 22:22 |
| _Hicham_ | ? | Mar 05 22:22 |
| schestowitz | They try to extend sometimes. | Mar 05 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Like with ODF | Mar 05 22:23 |
| schestowitz | In the case of OpenGL, they came inside, took what they wanted and then attacked it | Mar 05 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Typical.. like with TRON. | Mar 05 22:23 |
| MinceR | what's microsoft about those? | Mar 05 22:23 |
| MinceR | especially eMule and MikTex | Mar 05 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I wondered the same | Mar 05 22:23 |
| schestowitz | I put MikTex on a PC for someone | Mar 05 22:24 |
| schestowitz | For LyX on Windows | Mar 05 22:24 |
| schestowitz | (nightmare) | Mar 05 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva makes it a dream | Mar 05 22:24 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : they are written in MFC | Mar 05 22:24 |
| MinceR | oh. | Mar 05 22:24 |
| schestowitz | One click and voila! You have LyX with the whole stack right there. Like a dream | Mar 05 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Same with GIMP | Mar 05 22:24 |
| MinceR | so all windows apps are using microsoft technologies | Mar 05 22:24 |
| MinceR | the win32 api, for example. | Mar 05 22:24 |
| schestowitz | 32? | Mar 05 22:24 |
| schestowitz | How long for? | Mar 05 22:24 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : not all windows apps | Mar 05 22:24 |
| schestowitz | 3.2GB of RAM.. | Mar 05 22:25 |
| _Hicham_ | GIMP uses GTK | Mar 05 22:25 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: until microsoft dies | Mar 05 22:25 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: or they hire a couple of programmers from DEC... oh wait, DEC is gone | Mar 05 22:25 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: which uses the win32 api on windows | Mar 05 22:25 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : NotePad++ for example | Mar 05 22:25 |
| _Hicham_ | it is completely written using Win32 API | Mar 05 22:26 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: omg microsoft technology | Mar 05 22:26 |
| _Hicham_ | Win32 API and MFC are bad, because they dont allow you to port you code to other platforms | Mar 05 22:26 |
| _Hicham_ | if you uses GTK, QT, TCL or other framework, you dont have to worry about porting you code | Mar 05 22:27 |
| MinceR | well, having to code for windows is bad already | Mar 05 22:27 |
| _Hicham_ | no, it is not that bad | Mar 05 22:27 |
| _Hicham_ | it is somewhat good | Mar 05 22:27 |
| _Hicham_ | it eases the transition from Windows to Linux | Mar 05 22:27 |
| _Hicham_ | once the users get used to all FOSS software on Linux, they wont have a problem changing their platform | Mar 05 22:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: huh, oh, ic... that'll suffice | Mar 05 22:28 |
| _Hicham_ | here is how it works | Mar 05 22:28 |
| MinceR | afaik MFC uses the win32 api; and directly or indirectly all gui windows apps use it | Mar 05 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Computers will have moved well past 32 bit by the time Microsoft files for bankruptcy (which I reckon might take a few years) | Mar 05 22:28 |
| MinceR | therefore all gui windows apps use m$ technology | Mar 05 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll restructure like IBM... if they are lucky | Mar 05 22:29 |
| MinceR | (by that i mean using the gui of windows, not an external x server :> ) | Mar 05 22:29 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : sure any Windows App uses Win32 API | Mar 05 22:29 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: computers will, windows won't | Mar 05 22:29 |
| MinceR | remember how hard they stick to all their obsolete stuff | Mar 05 22:30 |
| _Hicham_ | but using Win32 directly is bad | Mar 05 22:30 |
| _Hicham_ | because of the portage problem | Mar 05 22:30 |
| MinceR | who knows, maybe windows 8 will be some *bsd with a windows skin | Mar 05 22:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe parts of it | Mar 05 22:30 |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : Windows Vista copied a lot of things from Linux | Mar 05 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Like the stacks | Mar 05 22:31 |
| _Hicham_ | for example | Mar 05 22:31 |
| MinceR | _Hicham_: i've heard of it | Mar 05 22:31 |
| _Hicham_ | the explorer style is the one of nautilus one | Mar 05 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Apple, it'll keep quiet and give back not even lip service | Mar 05 22:31 |
| MinceR | oh, from linux | Mar 05 22:31 |
| schestowitz | "Redmond, start your photocopiers...." | Mar 05 22:31 |
| _Hicham_ | magic numbers in explorer -> taken from linux | Mar 05 22:32 |
| MinceR | i've heard with vista they've ripped another lot of code from *bsd | Mar 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | wget ~~~bsd~~~ | Mar 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | c:\> | Mar 05 22:32 |
| _Hicham_ | Raise Execution Privilegies -> Taken for Linux | Mar 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | c:\>cd bsd | Mar 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | DIR | Mar 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | BSDSTAC~1.c | Mar 05 22:33 |
| _Hicham_ | I didn't work a lot on Vista | Mar 05 22:33 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: they won't include source code :> | Mar 05 22:33 |
| _Hicham_ | but that it is just what i have seen on some friends laptops | Mar 05 22:33 |
| MinceR | BSDSTAC~1.DLL | Mar 05 22:33 |
| MinceR | (renamed ELF shared object ;) ) | Mar 05 22:33 |
| schestowitz | That's a partnt right there. | Mar 05 22:33 |
| schestowitz | VFAT patents | Mar 05 22:33 |
| _Hicham_ | when i see vista, i see gnome copied | Mar 05 22:33 |
| schestowitz | INNVA~1 innit? | Mar 05 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I have an idea | Mar 05 22:34 |
| _Hicham_ | Vista = Gnome + M$ Shit | Mar 05 22:34 |
| MinceR | (hm, maybe with an extra PE header that would print some error message when run) | Mar 05 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Let's index with alphanumerics at char 4 | Mar 05 22:34 |
| schestowitz | WHA~A ABO~Z Tha~b | Mar 05 22:34 |
| MinceR | they could just use umsdos | Mar 05 22:35 |
| MinceR | s/they/you/ | Mar 05 22:35 |
| _Hicham_ | MSDOS : first puppy of uncle Billy | Mar 05 22:36 |
| _Hicham_ | he claimed that it is so powerful | Mar 05 22:36 |
| MinceR | i'm talking about umsdos, not msdos | Mar 05 22:37 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to push Moody into identic.ca... "See what lockin is about? Now you're stuck in Twitter because you "only tried it". I joined identica 2 weeks ago. That's where the hardcore *nixers are. :-)" | Mar 05 22:38 |
| schestowitz | *identi.ca (typo) | Mar 05 22:38 |
| MinceR | i never cared about "microblogging" | Mar 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he copies something powerful? | Mar 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | 'MS' DOS? | Mar 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it rmnds me uv txting. lolz | Mar 05 22:39 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : what do u think of reactos? | Mar 05 22:45 |
| "schestowitz: Computers will have moved well past 32 bit by the time Microsoft files for bankruptcy (which I reckon might take a few years)" No more than two. | Mar 05 22:45 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has another massive cutback. | Mar 05 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Just in: "Microsoft's cutbacks are starting to spread to the larger group of contractors who work on projects for the company through outside vendors -- commonly known as "v-dash" workers. It's not clear how widespread the cuts will be, but some Microsoft vendors have been contacted by internal teams about cutting the budgets for projects currently under way by as much as 15 to 20 percent." | Mar 05 22:46 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : what do u think of ReactOS? | Mar 05 22:46 |
| implode before failure | Mar 05 22:47 | |
| _Hicham_ | is it a real threat to M$? | Mar 05 22:47 |
| schestowitz | MS gives them the finger: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Wheres_P... | Mar 05 22:47 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I don't know | Mar 05 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Linux with Wine would do | Mar 05 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Reacty OS comes too far from behind | Mar 05 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Like BSD, there's a momentum issue | Mar 05 22:47 |
| schestowitz | They also last some major devs, IIRC | Mar 05 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Just recently | Mar 05 22:48 |
| The real threat is mindshare, not migration to clones | Mar 05 22:48 | |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : have u ever tried it? | Mar 05 22:48 |
| _Hicham_ | even on virtual machine | Mar 05 22:48 |
| schestowitz | It's looking ugly at Microsoft | Mar 05 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Unrest: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_cutba... | Mar 05 22:48 |
| People who use GNU/Linux are completely outside of the M$ universe | Mar 05 22:48 | |
| schestowitz | The empire crumbles faster than anyone anticipated | Mar 05 22:48 |
| no, I thought they would flunk soon. | Mar 05 22:49 | |
| schestowitz | The Linux sub-notebooks alone have cost it over half a billion | Mar 05 22:49 |
| schestowitz | That would be _A LOT_ of wages | Mar 05 22:49 |
| schestowitz | 5000m/100k=5,000 | Mar 05 22:49 |
| _Hicham_ | Yes Asus have made a new move into the Computing World | Mar 05 22:49 |
| MinceR | i think reactos doesn't matter, only wine does | Mar 05 22:49 |
| schestowitz | I.e. over 5000 employees could be rescued if it weren't for Linux (on netbooks alone) | Mar 05 22:49 |
| _Hicham_ | with its EeePC and instant-on PC | Mar 05 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Mar 05 22:50 |
| schestowitz | 500m | Mar 05 22:50 |
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| wispygalaxy | hi all! | Mar 05 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Make that an order of magnitude less | Mar 05 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 05 22:50 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: MS crumbles | Mar 05 22:50 |
| wispygalaxy | hiya roy! :) | Mar 05 22:50 |
| wispygalaxy | heh tell me about it | Mar 05 22:50 |
| Wine is a bigger threat because it helps move people out of Windoze | Mar 05 22:50 | |
| wispygalaxy | hey twitter | Mar 05 22:50 |
| http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Wheres_... | Mar 05 22:50 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: where's that final countdown tune? | Mar 05 22:50 |
| MinceR | if only they crumbled faster | Mar 05 22:50 |
| wispygalaxy | i have that song roy XD | Mar 05 22:51 |
| schestowitz | post it for wispygalaxy to watch. She hasn't seen it. | Mar 05 22:51 |
| MinceR | also, reactos doesn't solve most of the technical problems with windows | Mar 05 22:51 |
| MinceR | it's based on the same braindead design | Mar 05 22:51 |
| ta ta, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v... | Mar 05 22:51 | |
| schestowitz | "steam" is the right word there from Bishop | Mar 05 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is steam | Mar 05 22:51 |
| wispygalaxy | i saw the 2019 vid | Mar 05 22:51 |
| schestowitz | And it's losing some | Mar 05 22:51 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks twitter | Mar 05 22:51 |
| wispygalaxy | i upgrade to lenny two days ago | Mar 05 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | finally haha | Mar 05 22:52 |
| there's no rush | Mar 05 22:52 | |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : they said that M$ wont allow DirectX to be installed on any platform but Windows | Mar 05 22:52 |
| wispygalaxy | i like having new stuff though lol | Mar 05 22:52 |
| There are lots of shiny new things in Lenny. | Mar 05 22:53 | |
| _Hicham_ | wispygalaxy : tell me about lenny | Mar 05 22:53 |
| wispygalaxy | yes and the speed is there too :) | Mar 05 22:53 |
| _Hicham_ | i am just still downloading it | Mar 05 22:53 |
| most of the time, it's faster. | Mar 05 22:53 | |
| wispygalaxy | it has iceweasal 3 and other goodies | Mar 05 22:53 |
| I've had a few ACPI induced pains. | Mar 05 22:53 | |
| _Hicham_ | wispygalaxy : is it faster than ubuntu? | Mar 05 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | i haven't looked closely yet :( | Mar 05 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | yep it is | Mar 05 22:54 |
| boot time is excellent, most things work better than Etch | Mar 05 22:54 | |
| _Hicham_ | wispygalaxy : did u install it on a laptop? | Mar 05 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | yes it shuts down very nicely | Mar 05 22:54 |
| wispygalaxy | vista took 5 minutes when i had it a while ago | Mar 05 22:54 |
| like most versions of Debian, it's clean. | Mar 05 22:54 | |
| wispygalaxy | i have a lappy | Mar 05 22:54 |
| how well does it nap? | Mar 05 22:55 | |
| wispygalaxy | yes there's no clutter, just the way i like it | Mar 05 22:55 |
| _Hicham_ | wispygalaxy : what about acpi? | Mar 05 22:55 |
| wispygalaxy | there's less problems overall | Mar 05 22:55 |
| _Hicham_ | yes, i was gonna ask about that | Mar 05 22:55 |
| I'm still using APM on my older thinkpads | Mar 05 22:55 | |
| ACPI sucks | Mar 05 22:55 | |
| wispygalaxy | cool | Mar 05 22:55 |
| _Hicham_ | wispygalaxy : did u hibernate you lappy successfully? | Mar 05 22:56 |
| wispygalaxy | i haven't tried yet since i shut down at night | Mar 05 22:56 |
| wispygalaxy | but i bet it does | Mar 05 22:56 |
| here's a long, boring write up http://slashdot.org/~twitter/... | Mar 05 22:56 | |
| wispygalaxy | thanks for the link | Mar 05 22:56 |
| _Hicham_ | twitter : apm is better than acpi? | Mar 05 22:57 |
| MinceR | 235948 < _Hicham_> MinceR : they said that M$ wont allow DirectX to be installed on any platform but Windows | Mar 05 22:57 |
| MinceR | so? | Mar 05 22:57 |
| MinceR | reactos isn't windows | Mar 05 22:57 |
| I had a 2006 Dell laptop that hibernated OK with ACPI. | Mar 05 22:57 | |
| APM was much simpler and better than ACPI | Mar 05 22:57 | |
| _Hicham_ | MinceR : so ReactOS will fais | Mar 05 22:57 |
| _Hicham_ | fail | Mar 05 22:57 |
| _Hicham_ | simply | Mar 05 22:57 |
| MinceR | it doesn't depend on that | Mar 05 22:57 |
| _Hicham_ | because the gamers are the first target | Mar 05 22:57 |
| MinceR | it will fail nevertheless :> | Mar 05 22:57 |
| why? people get DirectX to work under Wine | Mar 05 22:57 | |
| they should be able to get it working with ReactOS. | Mar 05 22:58 | |
| MinceR | they can hack directx to work under reactos if they really want anyway | Mar 05 22:58 |
| who cares what M$ wants? | Mar 05 22:58 | |
| wispygalaxy | M$ is acting like a diva lol | Mar 05 22:58 |
| _Hicham_ | I am talking about the license | Mar 05 22:58 |
| MinceR | that's really unfair to divas | Mar 05 22:58 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Mar 05 22:58 |
| MinceR | m$ is acting like the parasite it is. | Mar 05 22:59 |
| their license means all of nothing under a free OS | Mar 05 22:59 | |
| MinceR | they must die so that IT may live | Mar 05 22:59 |
| _Hicham_ | what if ati and nvidia stop making drivers for directx? | Mar 05 22:59 |
| wispygalaxy | they are holding back progress | Mar 05 22:59 |
| microtards | Mar 05 23:00 | |
| wispygalaxy | i don't have an xbox 360 | Mar 05 23:00 |
| like a tar pit | Mar 05 23:00 | |
| why should you? | Mar 05 23:00 | |
| wispygalaxy | xbox has too many sports games | Mar 05 23:00 |
| _Hicham_ | have you heard of a game : Assassin's Creed? | Mar 05 23:01 |
| wispygalaxy | i like ps2 games better, more adventure stuff | Mar 05 23:01 |
| wispygalaxy | yes i have | Mar 05 23:01 |
| _Hicham_ | it has gigantic system requirements | Mar 05 23:01 |
| wispygalaxy | like crysis on the PC | Mar 05 23:01 |
| _Hicham_ | here a short system requirement : | Mar 05 23:01 |
| _Hicham_ | Ram : 3GB | Mar 05 23:01 |
| wispygalaxy | i only have 2 :( | Mar 05 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | CPU : Core 2 Duo 2,6 | Mar 05 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | ? | Mar 05 23:02 |
| wispygalaxy | 2 GB ram i mean | Mar 05 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Mar 05 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u think of this system requirements? | Mar 05 23:02 |
| more than 3 million people lost their jobs in the last 5 weeks http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060... | Mar 05 23:02 | |
| wispygalaxy | it's crazy | Mar 05 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | ah, and the graphic chipset must be at least 512MB | Mar 05 23:03 |
| _Hicham_ | there is at the most only 8 graphic chipsets that support it | Mar 05 23:03 |
| _Hicham_ | four ATIs, and four Nvidias | Mar 05 23:03 |
| wispygalaxy | interesting | Mar 05 23:04 |
| wispygalaxy | i have a laptop, so i can't really be a hardcore gamer | Mar 05 23:04 |
| _Hicham_ | why wispy? | Mar 05 23:04 |
| wispygalaxy | it's too weak for a lot of games | Mar 05 23:04 |
| _Hicham_ | there is a lot of games that run well on laptops | Mar 05 23:04 |
| _Hicham_ | how much video memory do u have? | Mar 05 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm into console gaming more | Mar 05 23:05 |
| _Hicham_ | 256? | Mar 05 23:05 |
| _Hicham_ | yeah, that is much fun | Mar 05 23:05 |
| _Hicham_ | what do u have? | Mar 05 23:05 |
| _Hicham_ | Xbox? | Mar 05 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | ps2 | Mar 05 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | i play web games more though | Mar 05 23:05 |
| _Hicham_ | did u play Assassin's Creed? | Mar 05 23:05 |
| wispygalaxy | nope, but my friend has | Mar 05 23:05 |
| _Hicham_ | i read cool reviews of it | Mar 05 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | is it difficult | Mar 05 23:06 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Mar 05 23:06 |
| _Hicham_ | it is like the GTA games from one hand | Mar 05 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope you have fun then :) | Mar 05 23:06 |
| _Hicham_ | it means that u have a lot of freedom | Mar 05 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | i have gta 3 | Mar 05 23:06 |
| _Hicham_ | i dont have the system requirements for it | Mar 05 23:06 |
| wispygalaxy | im working on that now, i haven | Mar 05 23:06 |
| _Hicham_ | GTA is great | Mar 05 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | havent won it yet | Mar 05 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | yes it's like jak 2 | Mar 05 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | you know jak and daxter? | Mar 05 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Mar 05 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | i played all hitman series | Mar 05 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | it's mainly for playstation | Mar 05 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | i like stealth games | Mar 05 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Sun's Schwartz worries over 'economy, not future' < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009... > | Mar 05 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm more into fantasy/adventure | Mar 05 23:07 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope things will be ok | Mar 05 23:08 |
| _Hicham_ | me too | Mar 05 23:08 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : do you think that viruses in Windows help Linux? | Mar 05 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | i'm so glad im not a senior right now | Mar 05 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | in college i mean | Mar 05 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | they are having a hard time finding jobs | Mar 05 23:09 |
| _Hicham_ | there are few jobs on the market | Mar 05 23:09 |
| wispygalaxy | i hated how antivirus wasted my time on vista | Mar 05 23:09 |
| _Hicham_ | the global economy is still recovering | Mar 05 23:10 |
| wispygalaxy | it made my computer lag | Mar 05 23:10 |
| wispygalaxy | it needs to heal :) | Mar 05 23:10 |
| _Hicham_ | wispygalaxy : u dont have to have it turned on all the time | Mar 05 23:10 |
| wispygalaxy | i know, but i forgot to turn it on when i did that | Mar 05 23:10 |
| wispygalaxy | with debian, there are no worries | Mar 05 23:11 |
| _Hicham_ | wispygalaxy : have u used ubuntu? | Mar 05 23:11 |
| wispygalaxy | yep, it was my 1st linux distro ;) | Mar 05 23:11 |
| wispygalaxy | had no trouble getting used to the interface and new programs | Mar 05 23:12 |
| _Hicham_ | and why did you move to debian? | Mar 05 23:12 |
| _Hicham_ | just trying new stuff? | Mar 05 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | it helps to know it, and people say it's good to have that knowledge when looking for a job | Mar 05 23:13 |
| _Hicham_ | then you have to test fedora also | Mar 05 23:13 |
| _Hicham_ | it is a must to know | Mar 05 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | i really want to :) | Mar 05 23:13 |
| wispygalaxy | cool | Mar 05 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | then download it | Mar 05 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | i am a regular ubuntu user | Mar 05 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | but i heard that debian is faster | Mar 05 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | i will, i promise | Mar 05 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | and i want to test it | Mar 05 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | yes it's amazingly fast | Mar 05 23:14 |
| wispygalaxy | go ahead, it's quite painless :D | Mar 05 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | is compiz working? | Mar 05 23:15 |
| wispygalaxy | i haven't tested it out yet, but i'm going to work on it | Mar 05 23:15 |
| _Hicham_ | so 3D desktop is not on yet? | Mar 05 23:15 |
| trmanco | hello wispygalaxy | Mar 05 23:15 |
| _Hicham_ | what graphic chipset do u have? | Mar 05 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | nope, hicham | Mar 05 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | hey trmanco! | Mar 05 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | you made it! | Mar 05 23:16 |
| wispygalaxy | oh it's intel | Mar 05 23:17 |
| _Hicham_ | then it be activated by default | Mar 05 23:17 |
| wispygalaxy | i bought this laptop before knowing about getting linux friendly hardware | Mar 05 23:17 |
| wispygalaxy | oh ok cool | Mar 05 23:18 |
| _Hicham_ | Dell is Linux friendly | Mar 05 23:18 |
| schestowitz | >>>> _Hicham_: Roy : do you think that viruses in Windows help Linux? | Mar 05 23:18 |
| wispygalaxy | i was going to get an HP laptop | Mar 05 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure | Mar 05 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Can't hearm though | Mar 05 23:18 |
| schestowitz | *harm | Mar 05 23:18 |
| _Hicham_ | IBM and HP are Linux Friendly at some point | Mar 05 23:18 |
| wispygalaxy | that's good to know | Mar 05 23:19 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it's not recovering | Mar 05 23:19 |
| schestowitz | The global economy has yet to collapse | Mar 05 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't use windows because of security reasons | Mar 05 23:19 |
| schestowitz | From what understand, the worse is yet to come | Mar 05 23:19 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : viruses can't harm linux even with Wine | Mar 05 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | like how roy | Mar 05 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Banks collapse | Mar 05 23:19 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : USA previsions have not included China | Mar 05 23:19 |
| wispygalaxy | uh oh | Mar 05 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | they didnt know that China will be that much of a consumer that it is right now | Mar 05 23:20 |
| wispygalaxy | where do you live hicham | Mar 05 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | China is the second oil consumer | Mar 05 23:20 |
| *schestowitz caches up with IRC | Mar 05 23:20 | |
| _Hicham_ | wispygalaxy : I live in Morocco | Mar 05 23:20 |
| wispygalaxy | oh ok, im from usa | Mar 05 23:21 |
| _Hicham_ | nice to meet u wispygalaxy | Mar 05 23:21 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: new cartoon: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/The_re... | Mar 05 23:21 |
| wispygalaxy | thanks, same here :) | Mar 05 23:21 |
| wispygalaxy | haha! | Mar 05 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Let me find a related ref from glyn moody | Mar 05 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Here's one: | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | glynmoody: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/11... | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I'll paste here cause it's short | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | The Chinese Overlords of Intellectual Monopolies | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | In the 19th century, America was a by-word for piracy of British ideas. In | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | the 20th century, as its industry developed, it embraced intellectual | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | monopolies, and became the most fervent advocate of maximalist legal regimes. | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | In the 20th century, China was a by-word for piracy of American ideas. In the | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | 21st century, as its industry developed, it embraced intellectual monopolies, | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | and became their stoutest defender. The news story above is but the trickle | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | that presages the torrent. | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | Soon, America will be deluged with such suits, as China tries to leverage its | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | huge industrial power. The consequence? America will become one of the most | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | fervent advocates for *minimalist* intellectual property regimes. Yes, you | Mar 05 23:22 |
| schestowitz | | read that correctly: just wait. | Mar 05 23:22 |
| MinceR | (flash) (video) (audio) http://www.theonion.com/content/vi... | Mar 05 23:23 |
| schestowitz | He's just mailed me back a couple of times | Mar 05 23:23 |
| schestowitz | He ain't leaving twitter | Mar 05 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Not will he start his own domain | Mar 05 23:23 |
| schestowitz | He has linuxjournal and computerworlduk (IDC) | Mar 05 23:23 |
| schestowitz | *Nor | Mar 05 23:23 |
| wispygalaxy | who roy? | Mar 05 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Glyn | Mar 05 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Who wrote about China a lot | Mar 05 23:24 |
| wispygalaxy | oh ok | Mar 05 23:24 |
| schestowitz | The next superpower | Mar 05 23:24 |
| wispygalaxy | cool roy | Mar 05 23:24 |
| _Hicham_ | what if all chinese people uses Linux? | Mar 05 23:24 |
| _Hicham_ | then the market share will be balanced, no, Roy? | Mar 05 23:24 |
| wispygalaxy | doesn't china want to make it | Mar 05 23:26 |
| wispygalaxy | its own linux | Mar 05 23:26 |
| schestowitz | LOL "Expert in a suit" | Mar 05 23:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks | Mar 05 23:26 |
| schestowitz | If he wears a t-shirt, then he can't be an expert anymore. | Mar 05 23:27 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 05 23:27 |
| wispygalaxy | that's too bad | Mar 05 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. http://www.theonion.com/content/video/a... | Mar 05 23:28 |
| wispygalaxy | don't judge a book by its cover haha | Mar 05 23:28 |
| wispygalaxy | lol the onion | Mar 05 23:28 |
| _Hicham_ | there won't obesity with this crisis | Mar 05 23:28 |
| wispygalaxy | the food is so bad at my college | Mar 05 23:29 |
| wispygalaxy | both lunch and breakfast tasted really bad | Mar 05 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Fuel -> food | Mar 05 23:29 |
| schestowitz | No fuel -> no food | Mar 05 23:29 |
| wispygalaxy | salad and fruit seem to be the only tasty things here | Mar 05 23:29 |
| schestowitz | And the US depends on oil imports, traded by the dollaz | Mar 05 23:29 |
| wispygalaxy | not euros like how iran wants | Mar 05 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | the dollar is always going down | Mar 05 23:30 |
| tessier_ | Always? http://www.x-rates.com/d/EUR/USD/... | Mar 05 23:30 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope there will be no hyperinflation like how south america had it | Mar 05 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Indian Blogger Sued, Forced To Apologize, For Criticizing Journalist And Quoting Wikipedia < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090303... > | Mar 05 23:31 |
| wispygalaxy | interesting graph tessier | Mar 05 23:31 |
| wispygalaxy | never quote wikipedia, i hear that every class | Mar 05 23:32 |
| tessier_ | And notice the Y axis. That's a 10% swing from high to low. | Mar 05 23:32 |
| wispygalaxy | it's been an intense couple months so far | Mar 05 23:32 |
| schestowitz | wispygalaxy: what to quote instead? | Mar 05 23:32 |
| schestowitz | The 'media'? | Mar 05 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Junk science? | Mar 05 23:33 |
| wispygalaxy | books i guess XD | Mar 05 23:33 |
| tessier_ | Books are slow, expensive, outdated, and hard to find. | Mar 05 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Can't click to read them | Mar 05 23:33 |
| wispygalaxy | kindle :) | Mar 05 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Needs libraries, trips, orders, etc | Mar 05 23:33 |
| tessier_ | This is why wikipedia likes to cite references wherever possible. | Mar 05 23:33 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't have that though | Mar 05 23:33 |
| schestowitz | kindle is DRM-riddled | Mar 05 23:33 |
| wispygalaxy | it runs linux :P | Mar 05 23:33 |
| tessier_ | Intead of citing wikipedia you can cite the study or paper or whatever that wikipedia cites. | Mar 05 23:33 |
| wispygalaxy | that's a good point | Mar 05 23:34 |
| wispygalaxy | but i tend to go with books or magazines, websites too | Mar 05 23:34 |
| tessier_ | Those are good if you can get them. | Mar 05 23:34 |
| tessier_ | Although magazines and websites can make stuff up just as easily as any wikipedia author can. | Mar 05 23:34 |
| wispygalaxy | there's a nice library here on campus | Mar 05 23:34 |
| wispygalaxy | that's very true | Mar 05 23:35 |
| tessier_ | Full of very nice old books, I'm sure. | Mar 05 23:35 |
| wispygalaxy | haha we have computer books from the 60's | Mar 05 23:35 |
| wispygalaxy | they are in excellent condition since no one has checked them out yet | Mar 05 23:35 |
| wispygalaxy | people here don't read a lot | Mar 05 23:36 |
| wispygalaxy | roy do you still get magazines at your home | Mar 05 23:38 |
| tessier_ | I don't get a single magazine. | Mar 05 23:38 |
| MinceR | from the humor department: http://news.slashdot.org/article.p... | Mar 05 23:38 |
| tessier_ | I have received a few over the years but I usually let my subscription lapse. Everything I need is online these days. | Mar 05 23:38 |
| wispygalaxy | my family still gets nat geo | Mar 05 23:38 |
| wispygalaxy | same here | Mar 05 23:38 |
| tessier_ | Nat Geo is a quality mag. Although it should go online too. | Mar 05 23:38 |
| wispygalaxy | i hope the pictures will retain their good quality | Mar 05 23:39 |
| wispygalaxy | my sisters used to get Lucky and Vogue | Mar 05 23:39 |
| wispygalaxy | we also got Nickelodeon magazine when we were younger | Mar 05 23:40 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 05 23:41 |
| wispygalaxy | see ya! | Mar 05 23:41 |
| schestowitz | The Cliff Saran lackey (Mcirosoft) is propping up Windows at Amazon | Mar 05 23:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009... | Mar 05 23:42 |
| schestowitz | With former-Microsoft in Amazon's management I wonder if they sold out Linux | Mar 05 23:43 |
| schestowitz | MS: "pay us for Linux" | Mar 05 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Amazonsoft: "Sure, Horacio, I used to work with you" | Mar 05 23:43 |
| wispygalaxy | amazon is doing well with its linux servers, right? | Mar 05 23:43 |
| wispygalaxy | lol roy | Mar 05 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Then you look at the price tags for Windows and Linux clouds and see if it's another Dell-like hush-huash sellout | Mar 05 23:43 |
| *schestowitz doesn't read magazines | Mar 05 23:44 | |
| wispygalaxy | not even one? :) | Mar 05 23:44 |
| wispygalaxy | i don't really either, but i used to back when i was a teen | Mar 05 23:44 |
| schestowitz | No, I don't use paper | Mar 05 23:44 |
| wispygalaxy | eco friendly, i see :D | Mar 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I had some mags collections as a kid | Mar 05 23:45 |
| wispygalaxy | do you have baseball cards | Mar 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Waste of space and no search facilities | Mar 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | No, I had footballs cards | Mar 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Stupid things | Mar 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Making kids brainwashes and peer pressured into it | Mar 05 23:46 |
| wispygalaxy | at least they made you happy for a while | Mar 05 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Like drug deals | Mar 05 23:46 |
| wispygalaxy | haha | Mar 05 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Give them albums with missing/blank spots | Mar 05 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Then sell them placements | Mar 05 23:46 |
| wispygalaxy | was it really like that? | Mar 05 23:46 |
| schestowitz | So instead of using lunch money fro something useful they buy the 'drugs' | Mar 05 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Same issue | Mar 05 23:47 |
| wispygalaxy | i always carried my lunch money in an envelope when i was younger XD | Mar 05 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Glue rather than cannabis :-) | Mar 05 23:47 |
| wispygalaxy | hehe | Mar 05 23:47 |
| wispygalaxy | in the 90s, kids in my class were crazy about pogs | Mar 05 23:47 |
| schestowitz | making money from obsessions of minds they create | Mar 05 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Don't get me started about the lottery | Mar 05 23:47 |
| schestowitz | I had a very long talk about it Tuesday at the gym.. | Mar 05 23:47 |
| wispygalaxy | my dad plays it at times XD | Mar 05 23:48 |
| schestowitz | People living in the dream of stupid EU raffle | Mar 05 23:48 |
| wispygalaxy | but he never wins the jackpot | Mar 05 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Pogs too | Mar 05 23:48 |
| wispygalaxy | i'll show you a pic | Mar 05 23:48 |
| schestowitz | That caught me less, a few years behind me | Mar 05 23:48 |
| schestowitz | OK | Mar 05 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Pog: the imaginary currency | Mar 05 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Still, safer than the $ these days :-) | Mar 05 23:49 |
| wispygalaxy | http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/... | Mar 05 23:49 |
| wispygalaxy | exactly like those | Mar 05 23:49 |
| wispygalaxy | there are different versions | Mar 05 23:49 |
| schestowitz | I know what they are. | Mar 05 23:50 |
| schestowitz | We had like 1000+ of them in the house] | Mar 05 23:50 |
| wispygalaxy | i was showing the best representation of what i saw back then | Mar 05 23:50 |
| schestowitz | I think they're still somewhere. | Mar 05 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Waste of carton and plastic | Mar 05 23:50 |
| wispygalaxy | probably something ate them, who knows | Mar 05 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Moth | Mar 05 23:50 |
| wispygalaxy | my dad caught a moth in a jar once, the next morning we woke up, there were so many eggs in the jar | Mar 05 23:51 |
| wispygalaxy | it looked like someone dumped tiny mint green beads in the jar | Mar 05 23:51 |
| Balrog | hi everyone | Mar 05 23:55 |
| _Hicham_ | hi balrog | Mar 05 23:55 |
| wispygalaxy | hey balrog! | Mar 05 23:56 |
| wispygalaxy | welcome back | Mar 05 23:56 |
| Balrog | how's everything going? | Mar 05 23:57 |
| wispygalaxy | im done with classes, and spring break is here! woot | Mar 05 23:57 |
| wispygalaxy | i have a migraine though :( | Mar 05 23:57 |
| wispygalaxy | runs in the family | Mar 05 23:58 |
| *schestowitz makes tea | Mar 05 23:59 | |
| wispygalaxy | can i have some? :) | Mar 05 23:59 |
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| wispygalaxy | my mom makes really good green tea | Mar 05 23:59 |
