03.06.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 5th, 2009 – Part 3

Posted in IRC Logs at 6:34 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz	More background here: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/…	Mar 05 22:05
_Hicham_	so obama is not using Linux on his laptop for sure	Mar 05 22:05
schestowitz	Adobe’s no Red Hat: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… (Adobe expects disappointing Q1 sales)	Mar 05 22:06
schestowitz	_Hicham_: where did you hear such a thing?	Mar 05 22:06
schestowitz	I don’t even think he uses a Mac	Mar 05 22:06
schestowitz	I don’t know if he knows what Linux is (other than very basically)	Mar 05 22:06
schestowitz	He’s a spokesman	Mar 05 22:06
_Hicham_	he is a harvard graduate	Mar 05 22:07
schestowitz	Exactly.	Mar 05 22:07
schestowitz	It would be nice to have him questioned without prior preparation	Mar 05 22:07
schestowitz	“So tell us, what does Ubuntu mean?”	Mar 05 22:07
_Hicham_	yes, that would be very funny	Mar 05 22:08
schestowitz	“What……………. are your policies?” [obama gasps]	Mar 05 22:08
schestowitz	They never talk about clear plans. That’s left for others to decide	Mar 05 22:08
_Hicham_	:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D	Mar 05 22:08
_Hicham_	the president is just a spokesman as u said	Mar 05 22:09
schestowitz	They called Kerry a flip-floppers because he tried to appeal to both sides	Mar 05 22:09
_Hicham_	u can’t appeal to both sides	Mar 05 22:09
schestowitz	The people who run the country are paid well	Mar 05 22:09
_Hicham_	no one can do that	Mar 05 22:09
schestowitz	“Did you know that there are more than 34,750 registered lobbyists in Washington, D.C., for just 435 representatives and 100 senators? That’s 64 lobbyists for each congressperson.”	Mar 05 22:09
schestowitz	It’s probably more now.	Mar 05 22:09
schestowitz	http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/03/me…	Mar 05 22:10
*schestowitz np: The Zombies – A Rose for Emily (Stereo)		Mar 05 22:11
schestowitz	The Microsoft shill Shane O’Neill is attacking Linux again with Big Lies	Mar 05 22:13
schestowitz	He cites Microsoft-sponsored BS	Mar 05 22:14
schestowitz	And suggests that people choose Linux for cost, not security, power, freedom, etc.	Mar 05 22:14
schestowitz	“Though Linux’s 0.88 percent OS market share hardly qualifies as a threat, Linux does compete with Microsoft in more areas than Apple and it is much cheaper. “Cheap” takes on an appealing sound in an economic recession.”	Mar 05 22:14
schestowitz	Time for CIO to toss out the Microsoft shill, who by his own admission sat and spoke with Ballmer 2-3 weeks ago	Mar 05 22:14
schestowitz	They recently fired a FOSS-oriented writer from CIO Magazine (IDC). IDC is now apparently picking up more of the lackey who preach in favour of IDC’s big client, Microsoft. There’s a history of corruption there, too.	Mar 05 22:15
_Hicham_	linux is holding 0.88 because of games, and other accessories	Mar 05 22:16
_Hicham_	and as Balzac said, linux needs more porn	Mar 05 22:16
schestowitz	It’s not the market share	Mar 05 22:16
schestowitz	It’s a lie.	Mar 05 22:16
schestowitz	But they recite it	Mar 05 22:16
_Hicham_	I know that it s a lie	Mar 05 22:17
schestowitz	That’s the beauty of big lies. If repeated often, people struggle to think differently.	Mar 05 22:17
_Hicham_	the linux market share is more than that	Mar 05 22:17
schestowitz	And it’s recited a lot in IDC/IDG, as I pointed out many times in BN	Mar 05 22:17
schestowitz	They seed this stuff	Mar 05 22:17
schestowitz	I’m not sure if it’s good that they make an illusion of low market share	Mar 05 22:17
_Hicham_	if gamers move to linux, M$ can’t lie anymore	Mar 05 22:17
schestowitz	But either way, it’s intended to repress and demoralise	Mar 05 22:18
schestowitz	So it’s harmful.	Mar 05 22:18
schestowitz	See the comments in LinuxToday	Mar 05 22:18
schestowitz	First one especially: http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_manage…	Mar 05 22:18
_Hicham_	I don’t know why game programmers uses DirectX	Mar 05 22:18
_Hicham_	OpenGL is simplier though	Mar 05 22:18
_Hicham_	schestowitz : what do u think of the open source projects written in MFC?	Mar 05 22:19
schestowitz	OpenGL 3.0 is great	Mar 05 22:19
schestowitz	Microsoft can use money to get programmers confused	Mar 05 22:20
schestowitz	Or bribes	Mar 05 22:20
schestowitz	Confused by spreading shills in channels of information	Mar 05 22:20
schestowitz	MS: “Mind Control: To control mental output you have to control mental input. Take control of the channels by which developers receive information, then they can only think about the things you tell them. Thus, you control mindshare!” http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conten…	Mar 05 22:20
_Hicham_	I am thinking about Microsoft technologies in open source project	Mar 05 22:21
_Hicham_	what do u think of that?	Mar 05 22:21
_Hicham_	example	Mar 05 22:22
_Hicham_	7zip	Mar 05 22:22
_Hicham_	eMule	Mar 05 22:22
_Hicham_	MikTex	Mar 05 22:22
_Hicham_	and many more	Mar 05 22:22
_Hicham_	?	Mar 05 22:22
schestowitz	They try to extend sometimes.	Mar 05 22:23
schestowitz	Like with ODF	Mar 05 22:23
schestowitz	In the case of OpenGL, they came inside, took what they wanted and then attacked it	Mar 05 22:23
schestowitz	Typical.. like with TRON.	Mar 05 22:23
MinceR	what’s microsoft about those?	Mar 05 22:23
MinceR	especially eMule and MikTex	Mar 05 22:23
schestowitz	Yeah, I wondered the same	Mar 05 22:23
schestowitz	I put MikTex on a PC for someone	Mar 05 22:24
schestowitz	For LyX on Windows	Mar 05 22:24
schestowitz	(nightmare)	Mar 05 22:24
schestowitz	Mandriva makes it a dream	Mar 05 22:24
_Hicham_	MinceR : they are written in MFC	Mar 05 22:24
MinceR	oh.	Mar 05 22:24
schestowitz	One click and voila! You have LyX with the whole stack right there. Like a dream	Mar 05 22:24
schestowitz	Same with GIMP	Mar 05 22:24
MinceR	so all windows apps are using microsoft technologies	Mar 05 22:24
MinceR	the win32 api, for example.	Mar 05 22:24
schestowitz	32?	Mar 05 22:24
schestowitz	How long for?	Mar 05 22:24
_Hicham_	MinceR : not all windows apps	Mar 05 22:24
schestowitz	3.2GB of RAM..	Mar 05 22:25
_Hicham_	GIMP uses GTK	Mar 05 22:25
MinceR	schestowitz: until microsoft dies	Mar 05 22:25
MinceR	schestowitz: or they hire a couple of programmers from DEC… oh wait, DEC is gone	Mar 05 22:25
MinceR	_Hicham_: which uses the win32 api on windows	Mar 05 22:25
_Hicham_	MinceR : NotePad++ for example	Mar 05 22:25
_Hicham_	it is completely written using Win32 API	Mar 05 22:26
MinceR	_Hicham_: omg microsoft technology	Mar 05 22:26
_Hicham_	Win32 API and MFC are bad, because they dont allow you to port you code to other platforms	Mar 05 22:26
_Hicham_	if you uses GTK, QT, TCL or other framework, you dont have to worry about porting you code	Mar 05 22:27
MinceR	well, having to code for windows is bad already	Mar 05 22:27
_Hicham_	no, it is not that bad	Mar 05 22:27
_Hicham_	it is somewhat good	Mar 05 22:27
_Hicham_	it eases the transition from Windows to Linux	Mar 05 22:27
_Hicham_	once the users get used to all FOSS software on Linux, they wont have a problem changing their platform	Mar 05 22:28
schestowitz	MinceR: huh, oh, ic… that’ll suffice	Mar 05 22:28
_Hicham_	here is how it works	Mar 05 22:28
MinceR	afaik MFC uses the win32 api; and directly or indirectly all gui windows apps use it	Mar 05 22:28
schestowitz	Computers will have moved well past 32 bit by the time Microsoft files for bankruptcy (which I reckon might take a few years)	Mar 05 22:28
MinceR	therefore all gui windows apps use m$ technology	Mar 05 22:29
schestowitz	Maybe they’ll restructure like IBM… if they are lucky	Mar 05 22:29
MinceR	(by that i mean using the gui of windows, not an external x server :> )	Mar 05 22:29
_Hicham_	MinceR : sure any Windows App uses Win32 API	Mar 05 22:29
MinceR	schestowitz: computers will, windows won’t	Mar 05 22:29
MinceR	remember how hard they stick to all their obsolete stuff	Mar 05 22:30
_Hicham_	but using Win32 directly is bad	Mar 05 22:30
_Hicham_	because of the portage problem	Mar 05 22:30
MinceR	who knows, maybe windows 8 will be some *bsd with a windows skin	Mar 05 22:30
schestowitz	MinceR: maybe parts of it	Mar 05 22:30
_Hicham_	MinceR : Windows Vista copied a lot of things from Linux	Mar 05 22:31
schestowitz	Like the stacks	Mar 05 22:31
_Hicham_	for example	Mar 05 22:31
MinceR	_Hicham_: i’ve heard of it	Mar 05 22:31
_Hicham_	the explorer style is the one of nautilus one	Mar 05 22:31
schestowitz	Unlike Apple, it’ll keep quiet and give back not even lip service	Mar 05 22:31
MinceR	oh, from linux	Mar 05 22:31
schestowitz	“Redmond, start your photocopiers….”	Mar 05 22:31
_Hicham_	magic numbers in explorer -> taken from linux	Mar 05 22:32
MinceR	i’ve heard with vista they’ve ripped another lot of code from *bsd	Mar 05 22:32
schestowitz	wget ~~~bsd~~~	Mar 05 22:32
schestowitz	c:\>	Mar 05 22:32
_Hicham_	Raise Execution Privilegies -> Taken for Linux	Mar 05 22:32
schestowitz	c:\>cd bsd	Mar 05 22:32
schestowitz	DIR	Mar 05 22:32
schestowitz	BSDSTAC~1.c	Mar 05 22:33
_Hicham_	I didn’t work a lot on Vista	Mar 05 22:33
MinceR	schestowitz: they won’t include source code :>	Mar 05 22:33
_Hicham_	but that it is just what i have seen on some friends laptops	Mar 05 22:33
MinceR	BSDSTAC~1.DLL	Mar 05 22:33
MinceR	(renamed ELF shared object )	Mar 05 22:33
schestowitz	That’s a partnt right there.	Mar 05 22:33
schestowitz	VFAT patents	Mar 05 22:33
_Hicham_	when i see vista, i see gnome copied	Mar 05 22:33
schestowitz	INNVA~1 innit?	Mar 05 22:33
schestowitz	I have an idea	Mar 05 22:34
_Hicham_	Vista = Gnome + M$ Shit	Mar 05 22:34
MinceR	(hm, maybe with an extra PE header that would print some error message when run)	Mar 05 22:34
schestowitz	Let’s index with alphanumerics at char 4	Mar 05 22:34
schestowitz	WHA~A ABO~Z Tha~b	Mar 05 22:34
MinceR	they could just use umsdos	Mar 05 22:35
MinceR	s/they/you/	Mar 05 22:35
_Hicham_	MSDOS : first puppy of uncle Billy	Mar 05 22:36
_Hicham_	he claimed that it is so powerful	Mar 05 22:36
MinceR	i’m talking about umsdos, not msdos	Mar 05 22:37
schestowitz	I’m trying to push Moody into identic.ca… “See what lockin is about? Now you’re stuck in Twitter because you “only tried it”. I joined identica 2 weeks ago. That’s where the hardcore *nixers are. ”	Mar 05 22:38
schestowitz	*identi.ca (typo)	Mar 05 22:38
MinceR	i never cared about “microblogging”	Mar 05 22:39
schestowitz	MinceR: he copies something powerful?	Mar 05 22:39
schestowitz	‘MS’ DOS?	Mar 05 22:39
schestowitz	MinceR: it rmnds me uv txting. lolz	Mar 05 22:39
_Hicham_	schestowitz : what do u think of reactos?	Mar 05 22:45
twitter	“schestowitz: Computers will have moved well past 32 bit by the time Microsoft files for bankruptcy (which I reckon might take a few years)” No more than two.	Mar 05 22:45
schestowitz	Microsoft has another massive cutback.	Mar 05 22:46
schestowitz	Just in: “Microsoft’s cutbacks are starting to spread to the larger group of contractors who work on projects for the company through outside vendors — commonly known as “v-dash” workers. It’s not clear how widespread the cuts will be, but some Microsoft vendors have been contacted by internal teams about cutting the budgets for projects currently under way by as much as 15 to 20 percent.”	Mar 05 22:46
_Hicham_	schestowitz : what do u think of ReactOS?	Mar 05 22:46
twitter	implode before failure	Mar 05 22:47
_Hicham_	is it a real threat to M$?	Mar 05 22:47
schestowitz	MS gives them the finger: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Wheres_P…	Mar 05 22:47
schestowitz	_Hicham_: I don’t know	Mar 05 22:47
schestowitz	Linux with Wine would do	Mar 05 22:47
schestowitz	Reacty OS comes too far from behind	Mar 05 22:47
schestowitz	Like BSD, there’s a momentum issue	Mar 05 22:47
schestowitz	They also last some major devs, IIRC	Mar 05 22:48
schestowitz	Just recently	Mar 05 22:48
twitter	The real threat is mindshare, not migration to clones	Mar 05 22:48
_Hicham_	schestowitz : have u ever tried it?	Mar 05 22:48
_Hicham_	even on virtual machine	Mar 05 22:48
schestowitz	It’s looking ugly at Microsoft	Mar 05 22:48
schestowitz	Unrest: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Microsoft_cutba…	Mar 05 22:48
twitter	People who use GNU/Linux are completely outside of the M$ universe	Mar 05 22:48
schestowitz	The empire crumbles faster than anyone anticipated	Mar 05 22:48
twitter	no, I thought they would flunk soon.	Mar 05 22:49
schestowitz	The Linux sub-notebooks alone have cost it over half a billion	Mar 05 22:49
schestowitz	That would be _A LOT_ of wages	Mar 05 22:49
schestowitz	5000m/100k=5,000	Mar 05 22:49
_Hicham_	Yes Asus have made a new move into the Computing World	Mar 05 22:49
MinceR	i think reactos doesn’t matter, only wine does	Mar 05 22:49
schestowitz	I.e. over 5000 employees could be rescued if it weren’t for Linux (on netbooks alone)	Mar 05 22:49
_Hicham_	with its EeePC and instant-on PC	Mar 05 22:49
schestowitz	Oops.	Mar 05 22:50
schestowitz	500m	Mar 05 22:50
*wispygalaxy (i=9f5b894f@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-6687e9bbec01ecf8) has joined #boycottnovell		Mar 05 22:50
wispygalaxy	hi all!	Mar 05 22:50
schestowitz	Make that an order of magnitude less	Mar 05 22:50
schestowitz	Hey	Mar 05 22:50
schestowitz	wispygalaxy: MS crumbles	Mar 05 22:50
wispygalaxy	hiya roy! :)	Mar 05 22:50
wispygalaxy	heh tell me about it	Mar 05 22:50
twitter	Wine is a bigger threat because it helps move people out of Windoze	Mar 05 22:50
wispygalaxy	hey twitter	Mar 05 22:50
twitter	http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Wheres_…	Mar 05 22:50
schestowitz	twitter: where’s that final countdown tune?	Mar 05 22:50
MinceR	if only they crumbled faster	Mar 05 22:50
wispygalaxy	i have that song roy XD	Mar 05 22:51
schestowitz	post it for wispygalaxy to watch. She hasn’t seen it.	Mar 05 22:51
MinceR	also, reactos doesn’t solve most of the technical problems with windows	Mar 05 22:51
MinceR	it’s based on the same braindead design	Mar 05 22:51
twitter	ta ta, http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v…	Mar 05 22:51
schestowitz	“steam” is the right word there from Bishop	Mar 05 22:51
schestowitz	Microsoft is steam	Mar 05 22:51
wispygalaxy	i saw the 2019 vid	Mar 05 22:51
schestowitz	And it’s losing some	Mar 05 22:51
wispygalaxy	thanks twitter	Mar 05 22:51
wispygalaxy	i upgrade to lenny two days ago	Mar 05 22:52
wispygalaxy	finally haha	Mar 05 22:52
twitter	there’s no rush	Mar 05 22:52
_Hicham_	MinceR : they said that M$ wont allow DirectX to be installed on any platform but Windows	Mar 05 22:52
wispygalaxy	i like having new stuff though lol	Mar 05 22:52
twitter	There are lots of shiny new things in Lenny.	Mar 05 22:53
_Hicham_	wispygalaxy : tell me about lenny	Mar 05 22:53
wispygalaxy	yes and the speed is there too	Mar 05 22:53
_Hicham_	i am just still downloading it	Mar 05 22:53
twitter	most of the time, it’s faster.	Mar 05 22:53
wispygalaxy	it has iceweasal 3 and other goodies	Mar 05 22:53
twitter	I’ve had a few ACPI induced pains.	Mar 05 22:53
_Hicham_	wispygalaxy : is it faster than ubuntu?	Mar 05 22:54
wispygalaxy	i haven’t looked closely yet :(	Mar 05 22:54
wispygalaxy	yep it is	Mar 05 22:54
twitter	boot time is excellent, most things work better than Etch	Mar 05 22:54
_Hicham_	wispygalaxy : did u install it on a laptop?	Mar 05 22:54
wispygalaxy	yes it shuts down very nicely	Mar 05 22:54
wispygalaxy	vista took 5 minutes when i had it a while ago	Mar 05 22:54
twitter	like most versions of Debian, it’s clean.	Mar 05 22:54
wispygalaxy	i have a lappy	Mar 05 22:54
twitter	how well does it nap?	Mar 05 22:55
wispygalaxy	yes there’s no clutter, just the way i like it	Mar 05 22:55
_Hicham_	wispygalaxy : what about acpi?	Mar 05 22:55
wispygalaxy	there’s less problems overall	Mar 05 22:55
_Hicham_	yes, i was gonna ask about that	Mar 05 22:55
twitter	I’m still using APM on my older thinkpads	Mar 05 22:55
twitter	ACPI sucks	Mar 05 22:55
wispygalaxy	cool	Mar 05 22:55
_Hicham_	wispygalaxy : did u hibernate you lappy successfully?	Mar 05 22:56
wispygalaxy	i haven’t tried yet since i shut down at night	Mar 05 22:56
wispygalaxy	but i bet it does	Mar 05 22:56
twitter	here’s a long, boring write up http://slashdot.org/~twitter/…	Mar 05 22:56
wispygalaxy	thanks for the link	Mar 05 22:56
_Hicham_	twitter : apm is better than acpi?	Mar 05 22:57
MinceR	235948 < _Hicham_> MinceR : they said that M$ wont allow DirectX to be installed on any platform but Windows	Mar 05 22:57
MinceR	so?	Mar 05 22:57
MinceR	reactos isn’t windows	Mar 05 22:57
twitter	I had a 2006 Dell laptop that hibernated OK with ACPI.	Mar 05 22:57
twitter	APM was much simpler and better than ACPI	Mar 05 22:57
_Hicham_	MinceR : so ReactOS will fais	Mar 05 22:57
_Hicham_	fail	Mar 05 22:57
_Hicham_	simply	Mar 05 22:57
MinceR	it doesn’t depend on that	Mar 05 22:57
_Hicham_	because the gamers are the first target	Mar 05 22:57
MinceR	it will fail nevertheless :>	Mar 05 22:57
twitter	why? people get DirectX to work under Wine	Mar 05 22:57
twitter	they should be able to get it working with ReactOS.	Mar 05 22:58
MinceR	they can hack directx to work under reactos if they really want anyway	Mar 05 22:58
twitter	who cares what M$ wants?	Mar 05 22:58
wispygalaxy	M$ is acting like a diva lol	Mar 05 22:58
_Hicham_	I am talking about the license	Mar 05 22:58
MinceR	that’s really unfair to divas	Mar 05 22:58
wispygalaxy	haha	Mar 05 22:58
MinceR	m$ is acting like the parasite it is.	Mar 05 22:59
twitter	their license means all of nothing under a free OS	Mar 05 22:59
MinceR	they must die so that IT may live	Mar 05 22:59
_Hicham_	what if ati and nvidia stop making drivers for directx?	Mar 05 22:59
wispygalaxy	they are holding back progress	Mar 05 22:59
twitter	microtards	Mar 05 23:00
wispygalaxy	i don’t have an xbox 360	Mar 05 23:00
twitter	like a tar pit	Mar 05 23:00
twitter	why should you?	Mar 05 23:00
wispygalaxy	xbox has too many sports games	Mar 05 23:00
_Hicham_	have you heard of a game : Assassin’s Creed?	Mar 05 23:01
wispygalaxy	i like ps2 games better, more adventure stuff	Mar 05 23:01
wispygalaxy	yes i have	Mar 05 23:01
_Hicham_	it has gigantic system requirements	Mar 05 23:01
wispygalaxy	like crysis on the PC	Mar 05 23:01
_Hicham_	here a short system requirement :	Mar 05 23:01
_Hicham_	Ram : 3GB	Mar 05 23:01
wispygalaxy	i only have 2	Mar 05 23:02
_Hicham_	CPU : Core 2 Duo 2,6	Mar 05 23:02
_Hicham_	?	Mar 05 23:02
wispygalaxy	2 GB ram i mean	Mar 05 23:02
_Hicham_	yes	Mar 05 23:02
_Hicham_	what do u think of this system requirements?	Mar 05 23:02
twitter	more than 3 million people lost their jobs in the last 5 weeks http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2060…	Mar 05 23:02
wispygalaxy	it’s crazy	Mar 05 23:02
_Hicham_	ah, and the graphic chipset must be at least 512MB	Mar 05 23:03
_Hicham_	there is at the most only 8 graphic chipsets that support it	Mar 05 23:03
_Hicham_	four ATIs, and four Nvidias	Mar 05 23:03
wispygalaxy	interesting	Mar 05 23:04
wispygalaxy	i have a laptop, so i can’t really be a hardcore gamer	Mar 05 23:04
_Hicham_	why wispy?	Mar 05 23:04
wispygalaxy	it’s too weak for a lot of games	Mar 05 23:04
_Hicham_	there is a lot of games that run well on laptops	Mar 05 23:04
_Hicham_	how much video memory do u have?	Mar 05 23:05
wispygalaxy	i’m into console gaming more	Mar 05 23:05
_Hicham_	256?	Mar 05 23:05
_Hicham_	yeah, that is much fun	Mar 05 23:05
_Hicham_	what do u have?	Mar 05 23:05
_Hicham_	Xbox?	Mar 05 23:05
wispygalaxy	ps2	Mar 05 23:05
wispygalaxy	i play web games more though	Mar 05 23:05
_Hicham_	did u play Assassin’s Creed?	Mar 05 23:05
wispygalaxy	nope, but my friend has	Mar 05 23:05
_Hicham_	i read cool reviews of it	Mar 05 23:06
wispygalaxy	is it difficult	Mar 05 23:06
_Hicham_	yes	Mar 05 23:06
_Hicham_	it is like the GTA games from one hand	Mar 05 23:06
wispygalaxy	i hope you have fun then	Mar 05 23:06
_Hicham_	it means that u have a lot of freedom	Mar 05 23:06
wispygalaxy	i have gta 3	Mar 05 23:06
_Hicham_	i dont have the system requirements for it	Mar 05 23:06
wispygalaxy	im working on that now, i haven	Mar 05 23:06
_Hicham_	GTA is great	Mar 05 23:07
wispygalaxy	havent won it yet	Mar 05 23:07
wispygalaxy	yes it’s like jak 2	Mar 05 23:07
wispygalaxy	you know jak and daxter?	Mar 05 23:07
_Hicham_	no	Mar 05 23:07
_Hicham_	i played all hitman series	Mar 05 23:07
wispygalaxy	it’s mainly for playstation	Mar 05 23:07
_Hicham_	i like stealth games	Mar 05 23:07
schestowitz	Sun’s Schwartz worries over ‘economy, not future’ < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… >	Mar 05 23:07
wispygalaxy	i’m more into fantasy/adventure	Mar 05 23:07
wispygalaxy	i hope things will be ok	Mar 05 23:08
_Hicham_	me too	Mar 05 23:08
_Hicham_	Roy : do you think that viruses in Windows help Linux?	Mar 05 23:09
wispygalaxy	i’m so glad im not a senior right now	Mar 05 23:09
wispygalaxy	in college i mean	Mar 05 23:09
wispygalaxy	they are having a hard time finding jobs	Mar 05 23:09
_Hicham_	there are few jobs on the market	Mar 05 23:09
wispygalaxy	i hated how antivirus wasted my time on vista	Mar 05 23:09
_Hicham_	the global economy is still recovering	Mar 05 23:10
wispygalaxy	it made my computer lag	Mar 05 23:10
wispygalaxy	it needs to heal	Mar 05 23:10
_Hicham_	wispygalaxy : u dont have to have it turned on all the time	Mar 05 23:10
wispygalaxy	i know, but i forgot to turn it on when i did that	Mar 05 23:10
wispygalaxy	with debian, there are no worries	Mar 05 23:11
_Hicham_	wispygalaxy : have u used ubuntu?	Mar 05 23:11
wispygalaxy	yep, it was my 1st linux distro	Mar 05 23:11
wispygalaxy	had no trouble getting used to the interface and new programs	Mar 05 23:12
_Hicham_	and why did you move to debian?	Mar 05 23:12
_Hicham_	just trying new stuff?	Mar 05 23:13
wispygalaxy	it helps to know it, and people say it’s good to have that knowledge when looking for a job	Mar 05 23:13
_Hicham_	then you have to test fedora also	Mar 05 23:13
_Hicham_	it is a must to know	Mar 05 23:13
wispygalaxy	i really want to	Mar 05 23:13
wispygalaxy	cool	Mar 05 23:14
_Hicham_	then download it	Mar 05 23:14
_Hicham_	i am a regular ubuntu user	Mar 05 23:14
_Hicham_	but i heard that debian is faster	Mar 05 23:14
wispygalaxy	i will, i promise	Mar 05 23:14
_Hicham_	and i want to test it	Mar 05 23:14
wispygalaxy	yes it’s amazingly fast	Mar 05 23:14
wispygalaxy	go ahead, it’s quite painless	Mar 05 23:14
_Hicham_	is compiz working?	Mar 05 23:15
wispygalaxy	i haven’t tested it out yet, but i’m going to work on it	Mar 05 23:15
_Hicham_	so 3D desktop is not on yet?	Mar 05 23:15
trmanco	hello wispygalaxy	Mar 05 23:15
_Hicham_	what graphic chipset do u have?	Mar 05 23:16
wispygalaxy	nope, hicham	Mar 05 23:16
wispygalaxy	hey trmanco!	Mar 05 23:16
wispygalaxy	you made it!	Mar 05 23:16
wispygalaxy	oh it’s intel	Mar 05 23:17
_Hicham_	then it be activated by default	Mar 05 23:17
wispygalaxy	i bought this laptop before knowing about getting linux friendly hardware	Mar 05 23:17
wispygalaxy	oh ok cool	Mar 05 23:18
_Hicham_	Dell is Linux friendly	Mar 05 23:18
schestowitz	>>>> _Hicham_: Roy : do you think that viruses in Windows help Linux?	Mar 05 23:18
wispygalaxy	i was going to get an HP laptop	Mar 05 23:18
schestowitz	I’m not sure	Mar 05 23:18
schestowitz	Can’t hearm though	Mar 05 23:18
schestowitz	*harm	Mar 05 23:18
_Hicham_	IBM and HP are Linux Friendly at some point	Mar 05 23:18
wispygalaxy	that’s good to know	Mar 05 23:19
schestowitz	_Hicham_: it’s not recovering	Mar 05 23:19
schestowitz	The global economy has yet to collapse	Mar 05 23:19
wispygalaxy	i don’t use windows because of security reasons	Mar 05 23:19
schestowitz	From what understand, the worse is yet to come	Mar 05 23:19
_Hicham_	schestowitz : viruses can’t harm linux even with Wine	Mar 05 23:19
wispygalaxy	like how roy	Mar 05 23:19
schestowitz	Banks collapse	Mar 05 23:19
_Hicham_	schestowitz : USA previsions have not included China	Mar 05 23:19
wispygalaxy	uh oh	Mar 05 23:20
_Hicham_	they didnt know that China will be that much of a consumer that it is right now	Mar 05 23:20
wispygalaxy	where do you live hicham	Mar 05 23:20
_Hicham_	China is the second oil consumer	Mar 05 23:20
*schestowitz caches up with IRC		Mar 05 23:20
_Hicham_	wispygalaxy : I live in Morocco	Mar 05 23:20
wispygalaxy	oh ok, im from usa	Mar 05 23:21
_Hicham_	nice to meet u wispygalaxy	Mar 05 23:21
schestowitz	_Hicham_: new cartoon: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/The_re…	Mar 05 23:21
wispygalaxy	thanks, same here	Mar 05 23:21
wispygalaxy	haha!	Mar 05 23:21
schestowitz	Let me find a related ref from glyn moody	Mar 05 23:21
schestowitz	Here’s one:	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	glynmoody: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2008/11…	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	I’ll paste here cause it’s short	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	The Chinese Overlords of Intellectual Monopolies	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\| In the 19th century, America was a by-word for piracy of British ideas. In	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\| the 20th century, as its industry developed, it embraced intellectual	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\| monopolies, and became the most fervent advocate of maximalist legal regimes.	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\|	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\| In the 20th century, China was a by-word for piracy of American ideas. In the	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\| 21st century, as its industry developed, it embraced intellectual monopolies,	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\| and became their stoutest defender. The news story above is but the trickle	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\| that presages the torrent.	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\|	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\| Soon, America will be deluged with such suits, as China tries to leverage its	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\| huge industrial power. The consequence? America will become one of the most	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\| fervent advocates for minimalist intellectual property regimes. Yes, you	Mar 05 23:22
schestowitz	\| read that correctly: just wait.	Mar 05 23:22
MinceR	(flash) (video) (audio) http://www.theonion.com/content/vi…	Mar 05 23:23
schestowitz	He’s just mailed me back a couple of times	Mar 05 23:23
schestowitz	He ain’t leaving twitter	Mar 05 23:23
schestowitz	Not will he start his own domain	Mar 05 23:23
schestowitz	He has linuxjournal and computerworlduk (IDC)	Mar 05 23:23
schestowitz	*Nor	Mar 05 23:23
wispygalaxy	who roy?	Mar 05 23:23
schestowitz	Glyn	Mar 05 23:24
schestowitz	Who wrote about China a lot	Mar 05 23:24
wispygalaxy	oh ok	Mar 05 23:24
schestowitz	The next superpower	Mar 05 23:24
wispygalaxy	cool roy	Mar 05 23:24
_Hicham_	what if all chinese people uses Linux?	Mar 05 23:24
_Hicham_	then the market share will be balanced, no, Roy?	Mar 05 23:24
wispygalaxy	doesn’t china want to make it	Mar 05 23:26
wispygalaxy	its own linux	Mar 05 23:26
schestowitz	LOL “Expert in a suit”	Mar 05 23:26
schestowitz	MinceR: thanks	Mar 05 23:26
schestowitz	If he wears a t-shirt, then he can’t be an expert anymore.	Mar 05 23:27
MinceR		Mar 05 23:27
wispygalaxy	that’s too bad	Mar 05 23:27
schestowitz	Hehe. http://www.theonion.com/content/video/a…	Mar 05 23:28
wispygalaxy	don’t judge a book by its cover haha	Mar 05 23:28
wispygalaxy	lol the onion	Mar 05 23:28
_Hicham_	there won’t obesity with this crisis	Mar 05 23:28
wispygalaxy	the food is so bad at my college	Mar 05 23:29
wispygalaxy	both lunch and breakfast tasted really bad	Mar 05 23:29
schestowitz	Fuel -> food	Mar 05 23:29
schestowitz	No fuel -> no food	Mar 05 23:29
wispygalaxy	salad and fruit seem to be the only tasty things here	Mar 05 23:29
schestowitz	And the US depends on oil imports, traded by the dollaz	Mar 05 23:29
wispygalaxy	not euros like how iran wants	Mar 05 23:30
_Hicham_	the dollar is always going down	Mar 05 23:30
tessier_	Always? http://www.x-rates.com/d/EUR/USD/…	Mar 05 23:30
wispygalaxy	i hope there will be no hyperinflation like how south america had it	Mar 05 23:30
schestowitz	Indian Blogger Sued, Forced To Apologize, For Criticizing Journalist And Quoting Wikipedia < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090303… >	Mar 05 23:31
wispygalaxy	interesting graph tessier	Mar 05 23:31
wispygalaxy	never quote wikipedia, i hear that every class	Mar 05 23:32
tessier_	And notice the Y axis. That’s a 10% swing from high to low.	Mar 05 23:32
wispygalaxy	it’s been an intense couple months so far	Mar 05 23:32
schestowitz	wispygalaxy: what to quote instead?	Mar 05 23:32
schestowitz	The ‘media’?	Mar 05 23:33
schestowitz	Junk science?	Mar 05 23:33
wispygalaxy	books i guess XD	Mar 05 23:33
tessier_	Books are slow, expensive, outdated, and hard to find.	Mar 05 23:33
schestowitz	Can’t click to read them	Mar 05 23:33
wispygalaxy	kindle	Mar 05 23:33
schestowitz	Needs libraries, trips, orders, etc	Mar 05 23:33
tessier_	This is why wikipedia likes to cite references wherever possible.	Mar 05 23:33
wispygalaxy	i don’t have that though	Mar 05 23:33
schestowitz	kindle is DRM-riddled	Mar 05 23:33
wispygalaxy	it runs linux	Mar 05 23:33
tessier_	Intead of citing wikipedia you can cite the study or paper or whatever that wikipedia cites.	Mar 05 23:33
wispygalaxy	that’s a good point	Mar 05 23:34
wispygalaxy	but i tend to go with books or magazines, websites too	Mar 05 23:34
tessier_	Those are good if you can get them.	Mar 05 23:34
tessier_	Although magazines and websites can make stuff up just as easily as any wikipedia author can.	Mar 05 23:34
wispygalaxy	there’s a nice library here on campus	Mar 05 23:34
wispygalaxy	that’s very true	Mar 05 23:35
tessier_	Full of very nice old books, I’m sure.	Mar 05 23:35
wispygalaxy	haha we have computer books from the 60′s	Mar 05 23:35
wispygalaxy	they are in excellent condition since no one has checked them out yet	Mar 05 23:35
wispygalaxy	people here don’t read a lot	Mar 05 23:36
wispygalaxy	roy do you still get magazines at your home	Mar 05 23:38
tessier_	I don’t get a single magazine.	Mar 05 23:38
MinceR	from the humor department: http://news.slashdot.org/article.p…	Mar 05 23:38
tessier_	I have received a few over the years but I usually let my subscription lapse. Everything I need is online these days.	Mar 05 23:38
wispygalaxy	my family still gets nat geo	Mar 05 23:38
wispygalaxy	same here	Mar 05 23:38
tessier_	Nat Geo is a quality mag. Although it should go online too.	Mar 05 23:38
wispygalaxy	i hope the pictures will retain their good quality	Mar 05 23:39
wispygalaxy	my sisters used to get Lucky and Vogue	Mar 05 23:39
wispygalaxy	we also got Nickelodeon magazine when we were younger	Mar 05 23:40
MinceR	gn	Mar 05 23:41
wispygalaxy	see ya!	Mar 05 23:41
schestowitz	The Cliff Saran lackey (Mcirosoft) is propping up Windows at Amazon	Mar 05 23:42
schestowitz	http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009…	Mar 05 23:42
schestowitz	With former-Microsoft in Amazon’s management I wonder if they sold out Linux	Mar 05 23:43
schestowitz	MS: “pay us for Linux”	Mar 05 23:43
schestowitz	Amazonsoft: “Sure, Horacio, I used to work with you”	Mar 05 23:43
wispygalaxy	amazon is doing well with its linux servers, right?	Mar 05 23:43
wispygalaxy	lol roy	Mar 05 23:43
schestowitz	Then you look at the price tags for Windows and Linux clouds and see if it’s another Dell-like hush-huash sellout	Mar 05 23:43
*schestowitz doesn’t read magazines		Mar 05 23:44
wispygalaxy	not even one? :)	Mar 05 23:44
wispygalaxy	i don’t really either, but i used to back when i was a teen	Mar 05 23:44
schestowitz	No, I don’t use paper	Mar 05 23:44
wispygalaxy	eco friendly, i see	Mar 05 23:45
schestowitz	I had some mags collections as a kid	Mar 05 23:45
wispygalaxy	do you have baseball cards	Mar 05 23:45
schestowitz	Waste of space and no search facilities	Mar 05 23:45
schestowitz	No, I had footballs cards	Mar 05 23:45
schestowitz	Stupid things	Mar 05 23:45
schestowitz	Making kids brainwashes and peer pressured into it	Mar 05 23:46
wispygalaxy	at least they made you happy for a while	Mar 05 23:46
schestowitz	Like drug deals	Mar 05 23:46
wispygalaxy	haha	Mar 05 23:46
schestowitz	Give them albums with missing/blank spots	Mar 05 23:46
schestowitz	Then sell them placements	Mar 05 23:46
wispygalaxy	was it really like that?	Mar 05 23:46
schestowitz	So instead of using lunch money fro something useful they buy the ‘drugs’	Mar 05 23:46
schestowitz	Same issue	Mar 05 23:47
wispygalaxy	i always carried my lunch money in an envelope when i was younger XD	Mar 05 23:47
schestowitz	Glue rather than cannabis	Mar 05 23:47
wispygalaxy	hehe	Mar 05 23:47
wispygalaxy	in the 90s, kids in my class were crazy about pogs	Mar 05 23:47
schestowitz	making money from obsessions of minds they create	Mar 05 23:47
schestowitz	Don’t get me started about the lottery	Mar 05 23:47
schestowitz	I had a very long talk about it Tuesday at the gym..	Mar 05 23:47
wispygalaxy	my dad plays it at times XD	Mar 05 23:48
schestowitz	People living in the dream of stupid EU raffle	Mar 05 23:48
wispygalaxy	but he never wins the jackpot	Mar 05 23:48
schestowitz	Pogs too	Mar 05 23:48
wispygalaxy	i’ll show you a pic	Mar 05 23:48
schestowitz	That caught me less, a few years behind me	Mar 05 23:48
schestowitz	OK	Mar 05 23:48
schestowitz	Pog: the imaginary currency	Mar 05 23:49
schestowitz	Still, safer than the $ these days	Mar 05 23:49
wispygalaxy	http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/…	Mar 05 23:49
wispygalaxy	exactly like those	Mar 05 23:49
wispygalaxy	there are different versions	Mar 05 23:49
schestowitz	I know what they are.	Mar 05 23:50
schestowitz	We had like 1000+ of them in the house]	Mar 05 23:50
wispygalaxy	i was showing the best representation of what i saw back then	Mar 05 23:50
schestowitz	I think they’re still somewhere.	Mar 05 23:50
schestowitz	Waste of carton and plastic	Mar 05 23:50
wispygalaxy	probably something ate them, who knows	Mar 05 23:50
schestowitz	Moth	Mar 05 23:50
wispygalaxy	my dad caught a moth in a jar once, the next morning we woke up, there were so many eggs in the jar	Mar 05 23:51
wispygalaxy	it looked like someone dumped tiny mint green beads in the jar	Mar 05 23:51
Balrog	hi everyone	Mar 05 23:55
_Hicham_	hi balrog	Mar 05 23:55
wispygalaxy	hey balrog!	Mar 05 23:56
wispygalaxy	welcome back	Mar 05 23:56
Balrog	how’s everything going?	Mar 05 23:57
wispygalaxy	im done with classes, and spring break is here! woot	Mar 05 23:57
wispygalaxy	i have a migraine though	Mar 05 23:57
wispygalaxy	runs in the family	Mar 05 23:58
*schestowitz makes tea		Mar 05 23:59
wispygalaxy	can i have some?	Mar 05 23:59
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wispygalaxy	my mom makes really good green tea	Mar 05 23:59