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| schestowitz | $700bn can buy big illusions | Mar 10 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | Like Big Lies. | Mar 10 16:44 |
| enough of those big lies can ruin a currency. | Mar 10 16:44 | |
| schestowitz | Economists are criticising this bailout, which doesn't mean that there is no short-term gain. | Mar 10 16:44 |
| what a nasty punch that will be. Fat cats suck up all the money, but it becomes valueless due to overprinting. | Mar 10 16:45 | |
| schestowitz | The dollar declines | Mar 10 16:46 |
| Of course it does. What does the US produce now but imaginary property? | Mar 10 16:46 | |
| schestowitz | My understanding of this is that China won't pay for it, so they just lower the currency (bad for trade) for a lifeline | Mar 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | tessier: Arms | Mar 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz | if bankrupt{}, then for 1=0:100000 {sellArms(i)}; | Mar 10 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Like they fueled Afghanistan back in the days... and Iraq too. | Mar 10 16:47 |
| did you see that groklaw has an article on the tomtom case? | Mar 10 16:50 | |
| schestowitz | Lora Bentley seems to have quit F/OSS blogging http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/... | Mar 10 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Moved to politics and corruption instead | Mar 10 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Timey | Mar 10 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Timely | Mar 10 16:51 |
| schestowitz | twitter: yes, but it's old | Mar 10 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Computer Recycling- UK business fraud < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,10... > | Mar 10 16:52 |
| balzac | Jon Stewart Rips Into Jim Cramer Again (VIDEO) | Mar 10 16:59 |
| balzac | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/1... | Mar 10 16:59 |
| balzac | WATCH: Jim Cramer Defends Himself: "A Comedian's Attacking Me!. | Mar 10 16:59 |
| balzac | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/... | Mar 10 16:59 |
| balzac | Roy, I really liked that quote from tienman (sp) on Microsoft being a ponzi scheme | Mar 10 16:59 |
| balzac | I heard it here first though | Mar 10 17:00 |
| balzac | I read a blogger who claimed that Jim Cramer was manipulating stock values on his CNBC show and his friends were shorting the same stocks | Mar 10 17:01 |
| balzac | A lot of weasels are being exposed lately. I hope Microsoft is not spared. | Mar 10 17:01 |
| gotta go for while. | Mar 10 17:02 | |
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| schestowitz | Stream #0.1: Audio: sipr, 16000 Hz, mono, 16 kb/s | Mar 10 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Resize: 320x240 => 384x288 | Mar 10 17:02 |
| schestowitz | No video or audio stream found. | Mar 10 17:02 |
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| schestowitz | balzac: Cramer is an idiot | Mar 10 17:04 |
| balzac | no kidding | Mar 10 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Part of the whole MONEY MONEY MONEY frenazy | Mar 10 17:04 |
| schestowitz | I never liked him | Mar 10 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Watch his image in MarketWatch (IIRC) | Mar 10 17:04 |
| schestowitz | "MAD MONEY" | Mar 10 17:04 |
| balzac | apparently, he used to live in his car with a pistol under the seat, now he has his own show | Mar 10 17:04 |
| *schestowitz atches the idiot holding money | Mar 10 17:04 | |
| schestowitz | These are the idiots who drove up the market by asking even housemaids to invest in stocks | Mar 10 17:05 |
| schestowitz | It became fashionable, like cellphone | Mar 10 17:05 |
| balzac | Mad Money can be a teeny bit entertaining for about 5 minutes, but only if you know he's trying to clown his audience | Mar 10 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Remember what stocks were about to begin with | Mar 10 17:05 |
| schestowitz | It's about cpital for small businesses | Mar 10 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Not a pyramid scheme that pays commission to the likes of Cramer | Mar 10 17:05 |
| schestowitz | The NBC people are hilarious | Mar 10 17:05 |
| schestowitz | They are so afraid of showing people who say the truth | Mar 10 17:06 |
| balzac | At least Madoff has some dignity about his crookedness. Jim Cramer is a buffoon. | Mar 10 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Their career depends on the imaginary wealth | Mar 10 17:06 |
| balzac | manipulating group psychology with broadcast media for fun and profit | Mar 10 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 10 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Been like this for ages | Mar 10 17:07 |
| balzac | manipulating stock value while your friends short them | Mar 10 17:07 |
| schestowitz | It's like Casono | Mar 10 17:07 |
| balzac | The first guy to accuse Jim Cramer was the CEO of Overstock.com | Mar 10 17:07 |
| schestowitz | But people have ignored them until it collapsed | Mar 10 17:07 |
| balzac | the first prominent guy to really get on his case | Mar 10 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. I'm listening to the "Comedian" part | Mar 10 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Hold on. | Mar 10 17:07 |
| balzac | Stewart clowned him hard | Mar 10 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Ouch! | Mar 10 17:08 |
| schestowitz | He's speechless | Mar 10 17:08 |
| schestowitz | HAha!! | Mar 10 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Priceless! | Mar 10 17:08 |
| schestowitz | His face. | Mar 10 17:08 |
| balzac | yeah, his squeaking voice to | Mar 10 17:08 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Mar 10 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Jimmy phones friends to share their profits | Mar 10 17:09 |
| balzac | i pity the fool | Mar 10 17:09 |
| schestowitz | "Hey! I drove it up for ya matey!" | Mar 10 17:09 |
| schestowitz | CNET too was earning | Mar 10 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Creating optimism out of nuthin' | Mar 10 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Mar 10 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Tnhey close it on the low note with MAD cramer humiliated | Mar 10 17:09 |
| balzac | I think maybe Cramer and his Wall St buddies were jealous of some of the new money in IT-oriented stocks | Mar 10 17:10 |
| balzac | So they figured, we'll talk their stock value down and have our friends short them. | Mar 10 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Mar 10 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Stewart | Mar 10 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Bartiromo[sic] | Mar 10 17:12 |
| schestowitz | The optimism Gang | Mar 10 17:12 |
| balzac | slapped the clown-shoes on him | Mar 10 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: if it can happen, it will | Mar 10 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Always been known | Mar 10 17:13 |
| schestowitz | But no-one complained becyas the market climbed | Mar 10 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Honor de Balzac: "Behind every great fortune there is a crime." | Mar 10 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Anthony J. D'Angelo: "If you believe that discrimination exists, it will." | Mar 10 17:14 |
| balzac | I worked a contract at a company across the st from the Bear Stearns building. A big empty sky-scraper causing anxiety all around. | Mar 10 17:14 |
| balzac | Then Lehman Brothers went down while I was there. It wasn't a comfortable work-environment with everyone feeling like reality-show contestants before a tribal meeting. | Mar 10 17:16 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/ar... | Mar 10 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I'll also show this to my dad :-) | Mar 10 17:17 |
| schestowitz | "I wonder if M$ is still buying Unix licenses from SCO so the can inter operate..... Bwwwaaahahahahahaha! " | Mar 10 17:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_sto... | Mar 10 17:19 |
| balzac | Not much babble from Darl McBride lately | Mar 10 17:20 |
| balzac | What a name: Darl | Mar 10 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Some people call him Daryl, no idea as to why. | Mar 10 17:22 |
| balzac | I upgraded to Jaunty Jackelope | Mar 10 17:24 |
| balzac | so I could run conkeror (not conqueror) | Mar 10 17:24 |
| balzac | conkeror is based on gecko and has a UI like emacs. I like it a lot. | Mar 10 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Conficker is based on bad engineering | Mar 10 17:26 |
| balzac | Microsoft Windows is like an eager beaver, just waiting for trojans, virii, etc | Mar 10 17:27 |
| balzac | The botnets which have been DOS attacking the Swedish file sharing servers are almost certainly botnets of compromised windows computers. | Mar 10 17:28 |
| schestowitz | In a land that's rocky, you use rocks | Mar 10 17:29 |
| balzac | Apparently the "security" contractors hired by media conglomerates to interrupt file-sharing communities are paying hackers for botnets composed of broken windows machines. | Mar 10 17:29 |
| schestowitz | TOo risky | Mar 10 17:29 |
| schestowitz | I remember whiner Liberman suggesting that there was a scheme to DDOS his site | Mar 10 17:30 |
| balzac | you think they have some kind of "legitimate" DOSS system they built? | Mar 10 17:30 |
| balzac | I call Lieberman "Croaking Toad" | Mar 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 10 17:33 |
| schestowitz | It was high load from visitors, that's all. | Mar 10 17:33 |
| schestowitz | So said the investigation anyway, assuming you can trust it | Mar 10 17:34 |
| schestowitz | There was fraudulent accusations against Groklaw | Mar 10 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Saying it had DDOSed sys-con | Mar 10 17:34 |
| schestowitz | sys-con denied this BS as well, but the fake story lives on. | Mar 10 17:35 |
| balzac | So many bloggers despise Joe Lieberman. | Mar 10 17:35 |
| schestowitz | No-one beats Georege and Dick though | Mar 10 17:36 |
| balzac | Bush's illegitimate pResidency caused so much chaos | Mar 10 17:38 |
| balzac | Look at the fall out, and this is with a soft landing | Mar 10 17:38 |
| schestowitz | "Researchers say that American college girls drink heavily in order to get the attention of the opposite sex, but that this is backfiring as US college boys actually prefer a less boozy ladyfriend." < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/... > | Mar 10 17:38 |
| balzac | Imagine if we'd succeeded in impeaching the m*****f*****s | Mar 10 17:38 |
| schestowitz | There was an attempt to dethrown Clinton | Mar 10 17:39 |
| schestowitz | *throne | Mar 10 17:39 |
| schestowitz | But not war criminals. | Mar 10 17:39 |
| balzac | well, Eric Holder better roast Bush & Cheney over an open fire | Mar 10 17:39 |
| balzac | Obama's campaign derailed Kucinich's impeachment efforts | Mar 10 17:40 |
| schestowitz | "I didn't inhale" | Mar 10 17:40 |
| balzac | now Obama has to deliver Bush's head | Mar 10 17:40 |
| schestowitz | "I did not have sex with that woman | Mar 10 17:40 |
| balzac | or else, we'll always wonder what could have been | Mar 10 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | "It can come in the form of a mushroom" | Mar 10 17:40 |
| Omar87 | Hi all | Mar 10 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 10 17:41 |
| balzac | hey | Mar 10 17:41 |
| Omar87 | Check out this old post about the bloated "Zune" thing: http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/200... | Mar 10 17:41 |
| balzac | David Brooks made fun of Michelle Obama's sleeveless gowns | Mar 10 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Michelle=bribe breakfasts in my mind. | Mar 10 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Have you seen this leak? http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/... | Mar 10 17:42 |
| balzac | the name "zune" kills me | Mar 10 17:42 |
| Omar87 | balzac: In what way? | Mar 10 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Zune is a horrible name. It means many bad things. "Vista" too | Mar 10 17:43 |
| balzac | it's so funny | Mar 10 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Z - always at the bottom | Mar 10 17:43 |
| schestowitz | [A]pple on top | Mar 10 17:43 |
| balzac | this guy got a zune tattoo | Mar 10 17:43 |
| schestowitz | *NIX comes before Apple | Mar 10 17:43 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Oh! okay. :) | Mar 10 17:44 |
| balzac | http://www.mediabistro.com/agencys... | Mar 10 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: it's good. This lad is a PR disaster | Mar 10 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Oops. balzac | Mar 10 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Sorry about that | Mar 10 17:44 |
| balzac | the look on his face says "Ain't I a sorry bastid? Laugh if you will, but be warned, I may cry." | Mar 10 17:45 |
| Omar87 | lol! Okay this guy is totally retarded..! :D | Mar 10 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Zune where it belongs: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/05/09... | Mar 10 17:45 |
| balzac | I'd call it an ironic tattoo | Mar 10 17:47 |
| Omar87 | But, does the word "Zune" really have a certain meaning? | Mar 10 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Not really. | Mar 10 17:48 |
| schestowitz | MSBBC reports on downtime for gmail | Mar 10 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: zune means "a fuck" in Hebrew | Mar 10 17:50 |
| schestowitz | But maybe there's more to the name Microsof chose | Mar 10 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Let's check Wikipedia | Mar 10 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Vista means "whore" or something like that in Malta | Mar 10 17:50 |
| Omar87 | Yeah, probably. :D | Mar 10 17:50 |
| schestowitz | So people there can't say it without laughing | Mar 10 17:50 |
| Omar87 | ROFLMHO! | Mar 10 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia doesn't say anything about the name | Mar 10 17:51 |
| balzac | If I see software called "whore", I'll probably download it. | Mar 10 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Its original anyway | Mar 10 17:51 |
| schestowitz | balzac: the software expires after one time | Mar 10 17:51 |
| schestowitz | It may also contain lot of viruses. | Mar 10 17:52 |
| balzac | well, if it has a good license... | Mar 10 17:52 |
| schestowitz | It has none | Mar 10 17:52 |
| Omar87 | By the way, today on my way home, I was chatting with a friend of mine who tried Vista 7. | Mar 10 17:52 |
| schestowitz | It's like BSD | Mar 10 17:52 |
| schestowitz | aka "the rape" me licence | Mar 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz | *the "rape me" | Mar 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: those who try it early are fans | Mar 10 17:53 |
| Omar87 | And I got shocked when he told me that it has the exact same features as compiz! | Mar 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz | So all those who try Vista7 early are preconditioned | Mar 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz | They are fans. | Mar 10 17:53 |
| schestowitz | They judge based on faith therefore | Mar 10 17:53 |
| balzac | I think that's a BDSM license, but it's only fantasy and includes "safety words" | Mar 10 17:54 |
| Omar87 | No, this guy doesn't really mind at all. | Mar 10 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Compiz is miles ahead | Mar 10 17:54 |
| schestowitz | And it's stable | Mar 10 17:54 |
| schestowitz | It has been out for years | Mar 10 17:54 |
| Omar87 | He participated with us at the Linux installation festival. | Mar 10 17:54 |
| schestowitz | That's good | Mar 10 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Open mindedness | Mar 10 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Leaning towards software that can be controlled. Programmer in particular like that. | Mar 10 17:54 |
| schestowitz | To program for Windows is to pray Microsoft doesn't change the APIs and 'pull a Vista' on your program (i.e. make it 'expire') | Mar 10 17:55 |
| Omar87 | Plus, yeah I know compiz is waaaaa..aaaay much better, but what freaked my out is how frankly and openly Microsoft stolen the exact technology..! | Mar 10 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Look what they do for the illusion of clash of civilisations: Security Theater Scare Mongering < http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive... > | Mar 10 17:56 |
| Omar87 | And it's not the part about including compiz-like features in Windows that freaks me off, it's how they're gonna simply claim that it's they're making, and they invention!! | Mar 10 17:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH... skip to minute 7. It's all deliberate. Make culture wars to loot countries | Mar 10 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Say the Rockefeller | Mar 10 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: Apple had visual effects since the early part of this decade | Mar 10 17:58 |
| schestowitz | But nothing to sophisticated | Mar 10 17:58 |
| Omar87 | Yes, that's right. | Mar 10 17:58 |
| schestowitz | OpenGL-enhanced/accelerated | Mar 10 17:58 |
| Omar87 | Exactly. | Mar 10 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft did just fade effects and fli mode | Mar 10 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Not enough time to test more | Mar 10 17:59 |
| Omar87 | Really? | Mar 10 17:59 |
| Omar87 | But the guy told me he saw the multiple desktops on Vista 7! | Mar 10 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Fehhhhh.. http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRI... People are trampled on, so of course they don't like it. They should look at foreign policy, not the symptons. | Mar 10 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: multiple Windows existed in Win2000 too | Mar 10 18:01 |
| schestowitz | With addons | Mar 10 18:01 |
| Omar87 | oh, really? | Mar 10 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Mar 10 18:01 |
| schestowitz | I saw it | Mar 10 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Colleague's machine | Mar 10 18:02 |
| schestowitz | If you don't mind nag screens and potential stability issues. | Mar 10 18:02 |
| Omar87 | So, all this hype about how "Incredible(.. NOT!!)" Vista 7, is merely stupid marketing, and a filthy hypnosis technique.. | Mar 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz | I see that Windows sites are citing figures of OSes from the US only as though these are global | Mar 10 18:03 |
| schestowitz | How dishonest or morally corrupt, just like the company they peddle this for. | Mar 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: yes | Mar 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Dvorak, who typically defends Linux, is the latest to be disapointed with Vista7 | Mar 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it | Mar 10 18:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0... | Mar 10 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Some Microsoft fans feel the same way | Mar 10 18:05 |
| schestowitz | "My initial evaluation of Windows 7 shows that it's really just Vista with a fresh coat of paint." --Randall Kennedy, IDG/IDC | Mar 10 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Game on ;-) Linux on PS3s Runs Old-School Emulators < http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/vi... > | Mar 10 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Ecuador's migration to GNU/Linux still coming along nicely: http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.sit... | Mar 10 18:09 |
| balzac | Old game roms and porn encoded in proprietary codecs - these are things I find difficult to let go of | Mar 10 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Old game ROMs run in Linux | Mar 10 18:11 |
| schestowitz | You can get decent emulators | Mar 10 18:11 |
| balzac | exceptions I'd like to make to free software discipline for myself | Mar 10 18:11 |
| balzac | I know, but they're still proprietary software | Mar 10 18:11 |
| balzac | on day maybe nintendo will release the source code for super mario | Mar 10 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Yay. Good news: | Mar 10 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Is Microsoft's nightmare coming true (and x86 coming to an end)? Analyst sees ARM CPUs in most netbooks by 2012 < http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest... > | Mar 10 18:14 |
| balzac | sweet | Mar 10 18:14 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Cool! | Mar 10 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Intel and Microsoft toll. Two bird in one stone | Mar 10 18:15 |
| schestowitz | *birds with | Mar 10 18:15 |
| balzac | let there be tears, Microsoft tears | Mar 10 18:16 |
| schestowitz | What a great start for Linux this year. | Mar 10 18:17 |
| Omar87 | Man, if this is true, then MS is really deep s**t.. | Mar 10 18:17 |
| Omar87 | is really *in* deep s&%t.. | Mar 10 18:17 |
| balzac | that is what they get for so many years of stifling innovation - they've forgotten how it's done. | Mar 10 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Hahaha. Reports: Microsoft Cripples Windows 7 Starter Edition in Hopes of Netbook Upgrades < http://www.dailytech.com/Reports+Micr... > | Mar 10 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Not to way to sell a product, is it? | Mar 10 18:19 |
| Omar87 | balzac: That's if they've even known what "innovation" means.. | Mar 10 18:19 |
| schestowitz | They just don't know how to make money from Windows anymore | Mar 10 18:19 |
| Omar87 | rofl! | Mar 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz | And Linux gets superior all the time (compared to self, it long ago surpassed Windows) | Mar 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Mac OSX would be a better challenger | Mar 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Because Mac fans would be willing to pay for the Apple logo | Mar 10 18:20 |
| Omar87 | Probably. | Mar 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Viusta7-4-ARM? | Mar 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Will it /run/? | Mar 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz | 500MHz. | Mar 10 18:20 |
| schestowitz | 64/128MG of RAM... | Mar 10 18:21 |
| balzac | I don't mind lower specs. | Mar 10 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Microsoft will try to bloat up ARM like it did with Intel... and end up with over-sub-notebooks whose battery life is 3 hours | Mar 10 18:21 |
| balzac | You can do lots of interesting things with a 500mhz cpu | Mar 10 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Instead of the $199 netbooks ASUS originally promised | Mar 10 18:21 |
| balzac | Microkraap | Mar 10 18:21 |
| schestowitz | The issue is power | Mar 10 18:22 |
| Omar87 | Conclusion: There isn't anything to wary about from Vista 7 anymore.. It's just another new old Windows with a new old stupid look. :) | Mar 10 18:22 |
| schestowitz | You'd think that making stronger processor would help Vista Hog Edition 7 | Mar 10 18:22 |
| schestowitz | But it just drains the battery | Mar 10 18:22 |
| schestowitz | It also drives up wieight and cost. Requires R&D ($$) | Mar 10 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: it's Vista with PE | Mar 10 18:23 |
| schestowitz | *PR | Mar 10 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Like Mojave | Mar 10 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Did Mojave have nice wallpapers? | Mar 10 18:23 |
| trmanco | today is patch tuesday | Mar 10 18:24 |
| Omar87 | PE? | Mar 10 18:24 |
| Omar87 | PR? | Mar 10 18:24 |
| trmanco | the day all Msofties need a reboot | Mar 10 18:24 |
| Omar87 | trmanco: And defragmentation too. ;) | Mar 10 18:25 |
| schestowitz | ================================== ======================================= | Mar 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | | ERROR: can't open a fouth process` | | Mar 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | | | Mar 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | | [BUY VISTA 7 UPGRADE NOW] [QUIT] [I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT THE LINUX ONE] | | Mar 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | ================================= ======================================== | Mar 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | *fourth | Mar 10 18:26 |
| trmanco | looool | Mar 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: oh noes, skype might go down | Mar 10 18:26 |
| balzac | can't open a fourth process - how chickensh*t can you be? | Mar 10 18:27 |
| balzac | That is hilarious. | Mar 10 18:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.istartedsomething.... | Mar 10 18:27 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, no that is too fancy, the OS will throw a yellow screen instead | Mar 10 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Balloon? | Mar 10 18:27 |
| trmanco | they use Windows | Mar 10 18:28 |
| trmanco | ahhh, good thing I don't use skype | Mar 10 18:28 |
| schestowitz | WTF does the LF doing sitting down/inviting Linux-suing scum? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29612847/ | Mar 10 18:31 |
| schestowitz | "For the first time, the Linux Foundation, Microsoft and Sun Microsystems will sit down at one table to debate the future of the respective operating systems. Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim Zemlin will moderate the discussion, which will include Sam Ramji..." I've heard bad things about this infiltrator | Mar 10 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Why does the LF invite them? | Mar 10 18:31 |
| MinceR | lol @ message box | Mar 10 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is suing them. | Mar 10 18:31 |
| balzac | Because maybe they're eager beavers to sell out? | Mar 10 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Charity PR bozos (bezos): http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_... | Mar 10 18:34 |
| schestowitz | When will people realise that they are scammed? | Mar 10 18:34 |
| schestowitz | They are robbed and then showed PR on television to brainwash the admire the very same people who rob them and build pyramids. | Mar 10 18:34 |
| schestowitz | balzac: no kidding, Novellsoft has influence in the LF, which is why it can't be trusted like the FSF | Mar 10 18:35 |
| schestowitz | The LF is there to make its funders do one thing: make money | Mar 10 18:35 |
| schestowitz | If this involved kissing the behinds of criminal organisations, then so be it. The principles there are aligned with the same interests that promote sw patents (IBM for example) | Mar 10 18:36 |
| balzac | The "open source" people are selling out, as they indicated they would. | Mar 10 18:36 |
| balzac | They're in a hurry to save money for a comfortable retirement. | Mar 10 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Arrogance + Inexperience = shutdown, no matter how good the original idea, or how great the software team. < http://www.cringely.com/2009/03/... > | Mar 10 18:37 |
| balzac | They were always trying to stop RMS from flying his freak flags, and now they're like baby-boomer ex-hippies who work for insurance companies. | Mar 10 18:37 |
| balzac | Some people, the Clintons, for example, wore clownish hippy clothes and long hair, but it was only fashion. | Mar 10 18:38 |
| balzac | They turned out to be moderate Reaganite Republicans. | Mar 10 18:39 |
| balzac | So it is with "open source" people who rallied behind ESR and LT. | Mar 10 18:39 |
| balzac | They kept saying "RMS is on an ego-trip. His freak flags are scaring investors away". | Mar 10 18:40 |
| balzac | Now they're like Dennis Hopper or Hillary Clinton - once they were hippies, now they are sell outs. | Mar 10 18:40 |
| balzac | Selling insurance and doing PR for Republican war criminals respectively. | Mar 10 18:41 |
| balzac | Except in this case, making bridges to Microsoft, knowing everyone will get shafted, but it's worth it for some quick cash to live comfortably on. | Mar 10 18:41 |
| balzac | Man, I should have a high-profile blog, don't you think? | Mar 10 18:42 |
| balzac | In software, however, it's hackers, not hippies. | Mar 10 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes, why don't you ask Kos? ;-) | Mar 10 18:43 |
| balzac | ESR is the Dennis Hopper of hackers - a poser for the most part. | Mar 10 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Hackers was renamed crackers dna vice versa | Mar 10 18:44 |
| schestowitz | They daemonise what's called hacker this wat | Mar 10 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Mess with code= bad | Mar 10 18:44 |
| balzac | Kos is a tool | Mar 10 18:44 |
| schestowitz | McAfee and the likes do this too | Mar 10 18:44 |
| schestowitz | They say that crackers use "open sourcE" methods | Mar 10 18:44 |
| balzac | but you know how I feel | Mar 10 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Like.. sharing code | Mar 10 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh God! The sharing | Mar 10 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Stop the sharing | Mar 10 18:44 |
| schestowitz | The MAFIAA is now spreading papers about P2P promoting terrorism | Mar 10 18:45 |
| schestowitz | they really have no shame, these weasels :-) | Mar 10 18:45 |
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| MinceR | i've seen that some wise guys titled Multi-Ripper a "cracker tool" and "spyware" | Mar 10 18:46 |
| MinceR | and it was removed from the author's website | Mar 10 18:46 |
| MinceR | i managed to get it from archive.org though | Mar 10 18:47 |
| schestowitz | With Print Dying, Online Newspapers Herald the Future < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160962/wi... > | Mar 10 18:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: archive.org is child pr0n, says IWF | Mar 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz | It must be killed, killed, killed | Mar 10 18:48 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Like killer virgins (Wikipedia too is a pedo site) | Mar 10 18:49 |
| MinceR | what's IWF? | Mar 10 18:49 |
| MinceR | those bastards in UK? | Mar 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Some stupid British 'body' | Mar 10 18:49 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | People who apparently surf the Web looking for pedo material | Mar 10 18:49 |
| balzac | Roy, I only expect the digital totalitarians/authoritarians to get worse with each decade until it's like a scary sci fi novel | Mar 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Then flagging sites like Wikipedia illegal | Mar 10 18:49 |
| MinceR | ironically, in the end Multi-Ripper didn't run in wine so i got someone else's ripper tool that runs on linux. | Mar 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | First you redefine your target and change vocabulary | Mar 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Then you 'fit' it to evidence. | Mar 10 18:50 |
| balzac | Unless we really clown the hell out of them before they get a chance to build their digital nightmare to imprison everyone... | Mar 10 18:50 |
| schestowitz | That's how to criminalise attempt to escape corporcoracy | Mar 10 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Because in the US, for example democracy is the #1 threat | Mar 10 18:50 |
| schestowitz | People ask for democracy | Mar 10 18:50 |
| schestowitz | And that's too dangerous | Mar 10 18:50 |
| schestowitz | You must give them too pseudo options once in 4 years | Mar 10 18:50 |
| schestowitz | And if some Ron Paul says the truth about the invasion, then put him down | Mar 10 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Likewise with Nader | Mar 10 18:51 |
| schestowitz | So they have two factions for the same party | Mar 10 18:51 |
| MinceR | i think "corpocracy" would be easier to say and type :> | Mar 10 18:51 |
| balzac | Roy, you always forget Kucinich | Mar 10 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Party = Rockefeller et al | Mar 10 18:51 |
| balzac | He was the main guy for impeachment | Mar 10 18:51 |
| MinceR | not just democracy -- in the usa, freedom is the #1 threat | Mar 10 18:51 |
| balzac | the only guy to really make an effort for impeachment | Mar 10 18:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, I can mistype it too usually. | Mar 10 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Polyarchy is another one | Mar 10 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Some professor (Dole?) called it that | Mar 10 18:52 |
| schestowitz | The rule of many aristocrats | Mar 10 18:52 |
| schestowitz | And people with a binary button | Mar 10 18:52 |
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| schestowitz | Red and Blue... | Mar 10 18:52 |
| balzac | kakistocracy | Mar 10 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Choose between "stay in Iraq" and "don't leave I]raq just yet" | Mar 10 18:54 |
| balzac | or choose between kiss Bush's ass (Hillary), and pretend it's all good until the election is won (Obama) | Mar 10 18:55 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 10 18:55 |
| schestowitz | The choice id yours. For your convenience, 'spurious' choices like Nader shalt be moved out of the way. | Mar 10 18:56 |
| schestowitz | More fight against the Internet (eBiz): http://techdirt.com/articles/2... < Is It Trademark Infringement To Resell A Product You Legally Bought? > | Mar 10 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Should Bloggers Be Afforded The Same Rights Granted To Journalists? < http://techdirt.com/articles/200... > | Mar 10 19:05 |
| schestowitz | "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.linuxtoday.com." | Mar 10 19:07 |
| Balrog_ | rumors abound about a possible apple 'netbook' | Mar 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | probably false some sources say | Mar 10 19:08 |
| schestowitz | But it would make sense for Apple | Mar 10 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Esp. now | Mar 10 19:08 |
| Balrog_ | and others say touch panels have been ordered | Mar 10 19:08 |
| Balrog_ | several sources say this so it's possibly true | Mar 10 19:08 |
| Balrog_ | yeah...I'd like to see something in the 400-600 price range (would probably be closer to 600 though) | Mar 10 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Won't do ARM | Mar 10 19:09 |
| Balrog_ | well the iphone is ARM | Mar 10 19:10 |
| schestowitz | http://videos.zdnet.co.uk/... | Mar 10 19:10 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Mar 10 19:10 |
| Balrog_ | but making such a system ARM would require programmers to recompile apps (for macos) | Mar 10 19:10 |
| Balrog_ | there already is ppc and x86 | Mar 10 19:10 |
| Balrog_ | and arm for iphone | Mar 10 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Could Apple get away with it without leaks to the press? | Mar 10 19:11 |
| Balrog_ | so we're looking at a 'netbook' (a) running an up-scaled iphone OS on an ARM cpu or (b) running OS X on an x86 chip | Mar 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz | What stage is this rumoured to be in? | Mar 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Also, Apple won't want to cannibalise iBook sales. | Mar 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft learned this too | Mar 10 19:11 |
| Balrog_ | not ibook, macbook | Mar 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Mar 10 19:12 |
| Balrog_ | but it's possible they aren't really interested in keeping the plastic macbook around for much longer | Mar 10 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Layoffs are said to be happening there. | Mar 10 19:12 |
| Balrog_ | The rumurs say that Apple is working with Wintek and Quanta | Mar 10 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Sales people maybe | Mar 10 19:12 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, at least that way engineering doesn't suffer | Mar 10 19:13 |
| Balrog_ | rumors * | Mar 10 19:13 |
| MinceR | they have engineering? :> | Mar 10 19:13 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, or you wouldn't have OS X or unibody | Mar 10 19:14 |
| Balrog_ | among other things | Mar 10 19:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Marketing engineers | Mar 10 19:17 |
| MinceR | oh. | Mar 10 19:17 |
| MinceR | i didn't know they've introduced that synonym for 'marketing' already | Mar 10 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Gotta go. bbl | Mar 10 19:21 |
| Balrog_ | someone posted recent apple job postings | Mar 10 19:26 |
| Balrog_ | most were engineering related | Mar 10 19:26 |
| Balrog_ | not marketing | Mar 10 19:26 |
| MinceR | i'm sure they believe they're "engineering" while they copy some BSDL code and put a shiny-retarded mess of a GUI on it | Mar 10 19:29 |
| MinceR | and then they proclaim proudly that once again they've build a stable and secure OS | Mar 10 19:29 |
| MinceR | s/ild/ilt/ | Mar 10 19:31 |
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| Balrog_ | what about a metals engineer...? that was one of them | Mar 10 19:47 |
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| PetoKraus | Balrog_: aluminium alloy casing? | Mar 10 20:19 |
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| Balrog_ | I believe so | Mar 10 20:43 |
| Balrog_ | Just heard that RMS will be here later this month | Mar 10 20:43 |
| Balrog_ | I'll likely have the chance to speak with him | Mar 10 20:44 |
| MinceR | RMS will be here this week | Mar 10 20:46 |
| Balrog_ | cool. | Mar 10 20:47 |
| Balrog_ | seems quiet around here :/ | Mar 10 20:48 |
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| balzac | Balrog_: where is that? | Mar 10 21:27 |
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| PetoKraus | Nah, you can have a negative percent chance of succeeding in a task. For example, if you have a -5% chance of succeeding, not only will you fail every time you make an attempt, you will also fail 1 in 20 times that you don't even try. | Mar 10 21:46 |
| PetoKraus | :D:D | Mar 10 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Wow! | Mar 10 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I'm sorry to say that download.opensuse.org will be unavailable for some | Mar 10 21:51 |
| schestowitz | time. | Mar 10 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Its storage array broke down once again, and we have no backup. | Mar 10 21:51 |
| schestowitz | (We are in need of hardware since ever; if anyone would be able to | Mar 10 21:51 |
| schestowitz | sponsor some, we would be very glad about it.) | Mar 10 21:51 |
| schestowitz | This affects stage.opensuse.org as well (same box). | Mar 10 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I can't give a timeline yet, but expect it to be offline for one to | Mar 10 21:51 |
| schestowitz | several days. | Mar 10 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, | Mar 10 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Peter | Mar 10 21:51 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: comment? | Mar 10 21:51 |
| trmanco | http://blog.banditdefense.com/2009... | Mar 10 21:51 |
| trmanco | secure you wordpress installs | Mar 10 21:52 |
| trmanco | your* | Mar 10 21:52 |
| *PetoKraus np: Pink Floyd - Learning To Fly (A Momentary Lapse Of Reason) | Mar 10 21:52 | |
| schestowitz | Mine is long-term suppor | Mar 10 21:52 |
| schestowitz | 2.0.11 | Mar 10 21:52 |
| benJIman | schestowitz: On what? | Mar 10 21:52 |
| schestowitz | So it's the latest. | Mar 10 21:52 |
| PetoKraus | back to work! | Mar 10 21:52 |
| *MinceR is listening to: Alice Deejay - Who needs guitar anyway - I can see | Mar 10 21:52 | |
| balzac | Maybe OpenSuSE is trying to imply that they're getting no love from Novell so they should be welcomed back into the community after Novell goes out of business. | Mar 10 21:52 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: OpenSUSE has no hardware? | Mar 10 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Is Novell shafting them? | Mar 10 21:52 |
| balzac | I don't have a problem with that, if the openSuSE community still exists after Novell is bankrupt | Mar 10 21:52 |
| MinceR | i'd guess they're merely neglecting opensuse | Mar 10 21:53 |
| schestowitz | "Sponsor" a server? | Mar 10 21:53 |
| benJIman | Not no hardware, but the redirector situation is ridiculous. It has been a single point of failure for literally years. | Mar 10 21:53 |
| schestowitz | What is this? Reduced to charity? | Mar 10 21:53 |
| benJIman | Community members already pay for some openSUSE hosting. | Mar 10 21:53 |
| benJIman | Not for redirector though. | Mar 10 21:53 |
| balzac | Probably they'll take the money, give it to Microsoft, and it will go towards a bottle single glass of champagne for Paul Allen | Mar 10 21:54 |
| balzac | jk | Mar 10 21:54 |
| balzac | -bottle | Mar 10 21:54 |
| MinceR | or they're just going bankrupt | Mar 10 21:54 |
| MinceR | and they're drawing money away from the parts that are less important to them | Mar 10 21:54 |
| benJIman | There's no real way to donate to openSUSE as there's no openSUSE foundation yet. | Mar 10 21:55 |
| benJIman | So everything is organised a bit ad-hoc atm. | Mar 10 21:55 |
| MinceR | (first opensuse, then suse, then everything that's left and isn't about FUD or legal) | Mar 10 21:55 |
| schestowitz | I want Novell to fail, not opensuse | Mar 10 21:55 |
| schestowitz | What is Novell doing? | Mar 10 21:55 |
| schestowitz | And why no fallbacks for so long? | Mar 10 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's not SLED? | Mar 10 21:55 |
| schestowitz | No revenue and patent tax for SteatyB? | Mar 10 21:56 |
| benJIman | I'm not sure what you mean. | Mar 10 21:56 |
| MinceR | i don't find opensuse likely to survive if novell dies | Mar 10 21:57 |
| MinceR | (and i won't miss them anyway) | Mar 10 21:57 |
| schestowitz | The engineers will be employed by Red Hat, I reckon | Mar 10 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I've heard about it | Mar 10 21:58 |
| benJIman | MinceR: We'll see. At present that's probably true, although we're getting towards the stage where it can be self sufficient. | Mar 10 21:58 |
| balzac | Roy, if OpenSuSE fails, that's not necessarily bad. It just means the members of their community have seen the badness of Novell's influence and have found other distro/communities to join. | Mar 10 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Novell and Microsoft will have Netware and BOB | Mar 10 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Hovsepian will have some tens of millions of dollars. | Mar 10 21:58 |
| balzac | OpenSuSE failing would speed the decline of Novell, demonstrating they have no community support. | Mar 10 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Like McBride (maybe) | Mar 10 21:58 |
| schestowitz | They got payrises after the bankruptcy | Mar 10 21:59 |
| MinceR | they have community support? | Mar 10 21:59 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: they should pressure Novell | Mar 10 21:59 |
| schestowitz | They make the bread and butter of Novell's wannabe future | Mar 10 21:59 |
| benJIman | schestowitz: Who is "they"? | Mar 10 21:59 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE developers | Mar 10 21:59 |
| MinceR | i mean, apart from the 4 microsoft fanboys who believe the 'm$ supports floss' lie | Mar 10 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Those who do the hard work | Mar 10 21:59 |
| balzac | Of course I would prefer if the OpenSuSE community (however small it may be), would denounce Novell and renounce any code from Novell which includes patent-trolling material. | Mar 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Not those who 'spam' YouTube with adverts that have CG lizards. | Mar 10 22:00 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 10 22:00 |
| balzac | Then I would want OpenSuSE to succeed. | Mar 10 22:00 |
| MinceR | balzac: that would be a step ahead | Mar 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | That's why Novell was bad news to SuSE right from the start | Mar 10 22:00 |
| MinceR | (even then, *suse would be crap :> ) | Mar 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | And other people said the same at the time | Mar 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Greedy backstabbing company takes over a local European one | Mar 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: SUSE used to be great | Mar 10 22:01 |
| schestowitz | It was probably one of the best (if not 'the' b est) at the time | Mar 10 22:01 |
| schestowitz | It had YaST | Mar 10 22:01 |
| schestowitz | And it was ALL KDE | Mar 10 22:01 |
| schestowitz | No f*ing de Icazaism | Mar 10 22:01 |
| schestowitz | GNOME by default in SLE | Mar 10 22:01 |
| schestowitz | And f*ing mono and that you can barely remove | Mar 10 22:01 |
| benJIman | That's putting rather an unresaonable spin on things. Considering before Novell bought SUSE it had non-free components, development was completely closed, suse was on the brink of bankruptcy for some time. | Mar 10 22:01 |
| benJIman | Things have improved considerably for the better since Novell took over. | Mar 10 22:02 |
| schestowitz | SuSE told for about $.3 bn, IIRC | Mar 10 22:02 |
| balzac | benJIman: in what sense? | Mar 10 22:02 |
| MinceR | and no daemon that makes the keyboard unusable? | Mar 10 22:02 |
| MinceR | no netinstall that's a pain to use? | Mar 10 22:02 |
| balzac | suse has improved in its capacity as a vehicle for Microsoft's attacks against computer user's freedom | Mar 10 22:03 |
| benJIman | lol | Mar 10 22:03 |
| balzac | lol? | Mar 10 22:03 |
| schestowitz | lol? | Mar 10 22:03 |
| balzac | benJIman: may I ask your opinion of the FSF? | Mar 10 22:03 |
| MinceR | "lol?"? | Mar 10 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe like Ballmer laughing at iPhonme | Mar 10 22:04 |
| schestowitz | $500??? $500?? | Mar 10 22:04 |
| balzac | Do you agree or disagree with the stated goals of the FSF? | Mar 10 22:04 |
| MinceR | except in Nebraska | Mar 10 22:04 |
| schestowitz | "I smack me[sic] kids for using Google" (fake) | Mar 10 22:04 |
| balzac | Do you have a different idea of what freedom is for computer users? | Mar 10 22:04 |
| benJIman | Most of the fsf philosophy I agree with. Some of their campaigns like badvista are so fail it's embarrassing though. | Mar 10 22:04 |
| schestowitz | He loves Visual Studio, so... | Mar 10 22:04 |
| schestowitz | And Windows for some things. Pragmatic(C) | Mar 10 22:05 |
| balzac | benJIman: how did the badvista campaign fail? | Mar 10 22:05 |
| trmanco | badvista wasn't a fail | Mar 10 22:05 |
| schestowitz | It didn't | Mar 10 22:05 |
| schestowitz | People spoke about it | Mar 10 22:05 |
| balzac | of course it didn't | Mar 10 22:05 |
| schestowitz | It become a spic | Mar 10 22:05 |
| schestowitz | *epic | Mar 10 22:05 |
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| balzac | benJIman: I was wondering your opinion though, even though I've preemptively disagreed... | Mar 10 22:06 |
| balzac | how did badvista fail in it's purpose? | Mar 10 22:06 |
| benJIman | balzac: I didn't say it did. The whole concept was terrible. | Mar 10 22:07 |
| balzac | you were speaking some new net-speak grammar | Mar 10 22:07 |
| balzac | campaigns like badvista are so fail it's embarrassing | Mar 10 22:07 |
| balzac | I can't grasp your intended meaning | Mar 10 22:08 |
| balzac | it's not that it failed, it _is_ fail, is that a correct reading? | Mar 10 22:08 |
| benJIman | fail as in failblog.org | Mar 10 22:09 |
| balzac | Well, I like it myself | Mar 10 22:09 |
| balzac | yeah, I like that site | Mar 10 22:09 |
| balzac | I like badvista from a branding perspective | Mar 10 22:09 |
| MinceR | the concept of daring to speak ill of Holy Microsoft's latest glorious product is terrible ;) | Mar 10 22:09 |
| trmanco | O liked the broken Windows badvista had as their logo | Mar 10 22:09 |
| trmanco | Window* | Mar 10 22:09 |
| balzac | it's directly confrontational | Mar 10 22:09 |
| balzac | Linus Torvalds complained about it | Mar 10 22:10 |
| benJIman | I'm all for legitimate criticism. Campaigns like badvista just discredit everyone though. | Mar 10 22:10 |
| balzac | how so benJIman ? | Mar 10 22:10 |
| MinceR | badvista is legitimate | Mar 10 22:10 |
| trmanco | it was just spreading the other part of Vista (non eye candy) | Mar 10 22:10 |
| benJIman | It's almost as accurate as boycottnovell.com | Mar 10 22:10 |
| balzac | Please don't take my questions as any kind of pressure, but I'm always trying to understand the reasoning behind opinions I don't agree with | Mar 10 22:11 |
| MinceR | balzac: this time there's no reasoning, there's only religion | Mar 10 22:11 |
| balzac | benJIman: can you explain _how_ badvista discredits everyone? | Mar 10 22:11 |
| schestowitz | If a campign called badcriminal.org was launch , would you oppose it? | Mar 10 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Is it unethical to "confront" bad behaviour? | Mar 10 22:11 |
| trmanco | what about the "Get the facts complain"? | Mar 10 22:12 |
| benJIman | balzac: Because their materials (most of which have now been taken offline) were full of technical inaccuracies. | Mar 10 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Law and ethics are intertwined issues. | Mar 10 22:12 |
| trmanco | http://www.microsoft.com/canada/getthe... | Mar 10 22:12 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: good for badvista than, BN is pretty accurate | Mar 10 22:12 |
| benJIman | It's like people who say that linux is less vulnerable to viruses & malware. | Mar 10 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Considering the fact that many hostile eyeballs nitpick all the time | Mar 10 22:12 |
| balzac | benJIman: I can't argue with you if the links are gone. Maybe the google cache has them... | Mar 10 22:12 |
| balzac | I like to argue BTW. | Mar 10 22:12 |
| balzac | I wish more people critical of the ideas and attitudes expressed on BN would chat here | Mar 10 22:13 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Linux personas was worse | Mar 10 22:13 |
| balzac | I love a good argument | Mar 10 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is insulting Linux people | Mar 10 22:13 |
| MinceR | oh wait, it _is_ less vulnerable to viruses and malware | Mar 10 22:13 |
| schestowitz | They also call them names off the records | Mar 10 22:13 |
| trmanco | can we prepare ourselves for Bad Se7en? | Mar 10 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft employees, not campaigners | Mar 10 22:13 |
| MinceR | badvista7 | Mar 10 22:13 |
| MinceR | Sa7an? | Mar 10 22:14 |
| balzac | benJIman: give us some URLs to chew on | Mar 10 22:14 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 10 22:14 |
| schestowitz | lol | Mar 10 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Saa7an | Mar 10 22:14 |
| benJIman | balzac: For what? | Mar 10 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Like Diablo | Mar 10 22:14 |
| benJIman | Btw the term URL is deprecated €¬_€¬ | Mar 10 22:14 |
| trmanco | Bad Sa7aNik | Mar 10 22:14 |
| balzac | URLs to give substance to your assertions so we can have a more specific discussion/argument | Mar 10 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Fau7t | Mar 10 22:14 |
| MinceR | afaik URL is still relevant as long as you really want to be able to locate the resource | Mar 10 22:15 |
| balzac | FYI, I disagree with Mark Shuttleworth's opinion that we should be looking for more agreement and cooperation | Mar 10 22:15 |
| MinceR | with whom? | Mar 10 22:15 |
| schestowitz | he's being 'diplomaitic" | Mar 10 22:15 |
| schestowitz | I'm against negotiating with criminals | Mar 10 22:15 |
| balzac | I say let disagreements exist, and then crush a slice of lime on top of it | Mar 10 22:15 |
| schestowitz | First they need tio prove they are not criminals anymore | Mar 10 22:15 |
| balzac | make it sting! | Mar 10 22:15 |
| MinceR | i'm against negotiating with criminals too | Mar 10 22:15 |
| schestowitz | With OOXML around the corner, it's clear that Microsoft is an orgy of white-collar criminals | Mar 10 22:15 |
| schestowitz | They can't change | Mar 10 22:16 |
| MinceR | with such a history of lies, proof isn't going to be easy | Mar 10 22:16 |
| schestowitz | First they fueled SCO | Mar 10 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Now they sue Linux | Mar 10 22:16 |
| schestowitz | They also bribe people | Mar 10 22:16 |
| schestowitz | They smear competitor | Mar 10 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Disparage critics | Mar 10 22:16 |
| balzac | Mark comes off as very mature and composed. Perhaps he's the best natural leader in the Free/Open Source community | Mar 10 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Look at Chemberlain | Mar 10 22:16 |
| schestowitz | He was negotiating | Mar 10 22:16 |
| schestowitz | With Hitler | Mar 10 22:16 |
| balzac | But still, I prefer disagreements and controversy. | Mar 10 22:17 |
| schestowitz | They were good buddies shaking hands | Mar 10 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Same with Rumsfeld and Saddam | Mar 10 22:17 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: someone will call Law of Godwin on that :> | Mar 10 22:17 |
| schestowitz | [when he still gave them oil] | Mar 10 22:17 |
| balzac | MinceR: good one. | Mar 10 22:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's the truth, apart from the analogy | Mar 10 22:17 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 10 22:17 |
| schestowitz | The point is, people can play nice | Mar 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Only to be raped | Mar 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Watch Novell | Mar 10 22:18 |
| balzac | compromising can quickly lead you into the wilderness | Mar 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Dying quite badly | Mar 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Despite being Microsoft's slaves | Mar 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Helping OOXML, promoting .NET, etc. | Mar 10 22:18 |
| MinceR | how many chances did m$ get already anyway? | Mar 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | They also got EU reghulators off MS' back | Mar 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that's why they cut back | Mar 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Novell is the PR department of MS now | Mar 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | They get paid for it | Mar 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Plenty | Mar 10 22:18 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the 'new' Microsoft | Mar 10 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Like the scorpion and the frog | Mar 10 22:19 |
| schestowitz | The 'new'' Microsoft | Mar 10 22:19 |
| schestowitz | When Gates steps down after massive losses | Mar 10 22:19 |
| schestowitz | and then come his lunattic friend to head the company | Mar 10 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Shillobyist frenzy ensues | Mar 10 22:19 |
| MinceR | then there was the antitrust case in the USA | Mar 10 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 10 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Novell saved Microsoft | Mar 10 22:20 |
| MinceR | and their "promise" concerning "standards" | Mar 10 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Ha. | Mar 10 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Yeah... even FAT | Mar 10 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Mooooooono | Mar 10 22:20 |
| MinceR | i don't think they deserve another chance | Mar 10 22:21 |
| schestowitz | They never did | Mar 10 22:21 |
| schestowitz | You can't change ways of criminal-minded people if they do it for 20 years | Mar 10 22:21 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 10 22:21 |
| schestowitz | At some point you send them to do time | Mar 10 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe after some reform (not just a deposition) they'll think they can accept change | Mar 10 22:21 |
| MinceR | and if they've said 'things are going to be different now' n+1 times already with no change, there's no reason to believe them anymore | Mar 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | As it stands, the ISO puppets sent the world the message that crime pays off. | Mar 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | it's dangerous to send out this message | Mar 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | What will kids be taught? | Mar 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | That bribing people is good if you can whitewash? | Mar 10 22:22 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't send them to jail, i'd send them to propel generators, then i'd feed them to pigs once they can't do that | Mar 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | There is CHANGE | Mar 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Better PR | Mar 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | More whitewashing | Mar 10 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Beetter ways to hide guns like Jonathan Zuck | Mar 10 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Concealing the blackmailing in Africa | Mar 10 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Meeting journalists in IDG who run official denial stories. | Mar 10 22:23 |
| schestowitz | So that Microsoft can point at them and say "see? It never happeened" | Mar 10 22:23 |
| trmanco | http://www.remote-exploit.o... | Mar 10 22:23 |
| trmanco | Ars Tecnica is not what is use to be | Mar 10 22:27 |
| trmanco | ... | Mar 10 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Why not? I'm not a fan ot it BTW. | Mar 10 22:29 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure they game Digg a lot | Mar 10 22:29 |
| trmanco | The news these days, it not the same anymore | Mar 10 22:31 |
| trmanco | it's | Mar 10 22:31 |
| trmanco | http://www.itwire.com/content/vi... | Mar 10 22:34 |
| trmanco | Patch Tuesday -> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article... | Mar 10 22:36 |
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| Balrog | hello everyone | Mar 10 22:37 |
| trmanco | hello Balrog | Mar 10 22:40 |
| Balrog | still quiet....? | Mar 10 22:40 |
| trmanco | don't know why | Mar 10 22:46 |
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| schestowitz | The criminals from Intel called "guilty": http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/36... | Mar 10 22:49 |
| schestowitz | How much money have they made by bribing, mewonders? Some site ought to look closely at what they do. They are another menace to IT and society | Mar 10 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Tiscali in trouble after sale collapse < http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/... > | Mar 10 22:53 |
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| schestowitz | Given Clarke is provoking Linux again | Mar 10 22:56 |
| schestowitz | The Register was transformed by appointments after the Microsoft deal | Mar 10 22:56 |
| oiaohm | So attempting to get quick ratings ? schestowitz | Mar 10 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Gavin? | Mar 10 22:57 |
| oiaohm | Ie the Register that is. | Mar 10 22:57 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Mar 10 22:57 |
| oiaohm | The one thing about insulted Open Source guys it does quicky increase numbers of people visiting site. | Mar 10 22:57 |
| schestowitz | That's what they do, yes. | Mar 10 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Inquirer also | Mar 10 22:59 |
| trmanco | oh great AMD is going to stop supporting R400 based chips in their closed driver, good thing I made the move to the FOSS driver some months ago | Mar 10 22:59 |
| MinceR | are they going to keep their old driver updated like nvidia does? | Mar 10 22:59 |
| trmanco | I don't think so | Mar 10 23:00 |
| trmanco | I never really used their driver though | Mar 10 23:00 |
| trmanco | just tried it *only* on Hardy | Mar 10 23:00 |
| trmanco | the FOSS driver never let me down, I still remember the days that I would play tremulous and open arena with compositing affects enabled and at full screen, maxing out my monitor's resolution, playing at a average 80 FPS, this in Feisty :-P | Mar 10 23:03 |
| Balrog | this is ATI, right? | Mar 10 23:03 |
| Balrog | the FOSS nvidia driver is barely usable with 2D | Mar 10 23:04 |
| Balrog | and there's no 3D at all with it. :( | Mar 10 23:04 |
| MinceR | there's nouveau but i don't know how usable it is | Mar 10 23:05 |
| oiaohm | trmanco: AMD plan long term is to stop the closed source ATI driver completely. | Mar 10 23:05 |
| oiaohm | They moved a little be ahead of time table stopping R400 and R500 support. | Mar 10 23:05 |
| trmanco | oiaohm, it would be better just to release the hole driver as open source | Mar 10 23:05 |
| oiaohm | They cannot trmanco | Mar 10 23:06 |
| trmanco | at least for the non supported chips | Mar 10 23:06 |
| trmanco | oiaohm, why? copyright? | Mar 10 23:06 |
| MinceR | the usual patent/code from outside crap? | Mar 10 23:06 |
| oiaohm | ATI/AMD don't own all the code inside the closed source driver. | Mar 10 23:06 |
| oiaohm | S3 and NVidia own some of it. | Mar 10 23:06 |
| MinceR | they should buy whoever owns it :> | Mar 10 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is cross ownership inside all the video card drivers. | Mar 10 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo More Popular Than Google In Japan < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews... > | Mar 10 23:07 |
| MinceR | then they should get together and agree on a date when they all release all their code | Mar 10 23:07 |
| trmanco | then, lets make a company to buy all those fragmented corporations into one and release the stupid driver in a open source license :-P | Mar 10 23:07 |
| oiaohm | NVidia / | Mar 10 23:07 |
| oiaohm | ? | Mar 10 23:07 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, read this -> http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/2009/03/1... | Mar 10 23:07 |
| oiaohm | you got to be dreaming MinceR | Mar 10 23:07 |
| MinceR | or they could be forced to do so :> | Mar 10 23:08 |
| oiaohm | S3 joined AMD in the opensource effort. | Mar 10 23:08 |
| trmanco | there are some interesting facts about a portuguese PR person | Mar 10 23:08 |
| oiaohm | AMD and S3 want to be free of the mess. | Mar 10 23:08 |
| MinceR | didn't nvidia say they want to do that too? | Mar 10 23:09 |
| oiaohm | Nop | Mar 10 23:09 |
| oiaohm | Nvidia will not sue people making open source drivers or using them. | Mar 10 23:09 |
| oiaohm | They will not provide any other support. | Mar 10 23:09 |
| oiaohm | AMD and S3 both are releasing documentation as they legally can. | Mar 10 23:10 |
| oiaohm | That is the other problem even there internal docs have turned out to be tainted with stuff they cannot release. | Mar 10 23:10 |
| oiaohm | So of that Microsofts Direct X internals. | Mar 10 23:11 |
| oiaohm | So/Some | Mar 10 23:12 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 10 23:13 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, did you read it | Mar 10 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I hate the Golgle Toolbar | Mar 10 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Googlebar was better | Mar 10 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I can't find a translate button | Mar 10 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, got it | Mar 10 23:17 |
| trmanco | what? the translate button? :-P | Mar 10 23:18 |
| schestowitz | I will write about it tomorrow | Mar 10 23:19 |
| schestowitz | No, the toolbar is junk | Mar 10 23:19 |
| trmanco | ok | Mar 10 23:19 |
| trmanco | I hate toolbars | Mar 10 23:19 |
| schestowitz | The old one Firefox refuses to install | Mar 10 23:19 |
| schestowitz | FF3 cites "security" | Mar 10 23:19 |
| trmanco | I need as much vertical space as possible | Mar 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Reminds me of Apple with Jususfone | Mar 10 23:20 |
| schestowitz | I like toolbars :-) http://j-walkblog.com/images/to... | Mar 10 23:21 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 10 23:22 |
| oiaohm | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.ph... Now of they would get working on link time optimisation gcc might be good. | Mar 10 23:23 |
| schestowitz | What da...? | Mar 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Cuts Software Leasing Costs to Retain Companies < http://www.pcworld.com/article/16098... >. But Microsoft is ALWAYS leasing software. Windows can't be owned | Mar 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | They try to lock in those who leave, just like in EDGI | Mar 10 23:24 |
| schestowitz | MicrosoftIncentives.com. = Microsoft dumping | Mar 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Incentive to bribery is what "credit" is to "loan" and "stimulus" is to "public looting" or "looting" | Mar 10 23:26 |
| schestowitz | "PR" to "PRopaganda" also. They renamed it around the 30s because it got a bad connotation (Nazi propaganda). Before the 30s the literature used the term "propaganda" openly to descrde marketing, even of procusts.. In a meeting, Bernays suggested the term "public relations" after much thinking | Mar 10 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Later came CFR | Mar 10 23:28 |
| oiaohm | PR for Public Relations is a older term. | Mar 10 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Than Propaganda = PR | Mar 10 23:29 |
| schestowitz | President Obama lifts stem cell research ban < http://www.itwire.com/cont... > | Mar 10 23:29 |
| schestowitz | It's not | Mar 10 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Public Relations use to be the support desk equal. | Mar 10 23:29 |
| schestowitz | PR was conceived in the 1930 | Mar 10 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Not media. | Mar 10 23:29 |
| schestowitz | It was a new name for "propaganda" | Mar 10 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Dig back threw the history jobs of Public Relation officers. It has changed massively over time. | Mar 10 23:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8263 "After it was revealed that the floundering American International Group (AIG) had hired Burson Marsteller (B-M) as one of its PR advisers, Rachel Maddow, the host of “The Rachel Maddow Show” on MSNBC, wondered who else the firm had worked for." | Mar 10 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Cigarettes are an early example | Mar 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | After PR | Mar 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Teaching people that they should smoke | Mar 10 23:31 |
| oiaohm | 1930 is the point were PR meaning changed. | Mar 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | "Torches of freedom" was the publicity stunt | Mar 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | It was covered in papers even intenationally. | Mar 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, politics embraced the methods too | Mar 10 23:31 |
| schestowitz | With the help of the product marketing people | Mar 10 23:32 |
| oiaohm | I read a lot of old documents on lot of old milling machines. | Mar 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | "A Florida company called "Smoking Everywhere" has been aggressively marketing a cigarette-like smoking device of the same name in shopping-mall kiosks nationwide, and has now reportedly enlisted help from steroid-tainted baseball player Jose Canseco to plug the device." http://www.prwatch.org/node/8264 | Mar 10 23:32 |
| oiaohm | That is where I found the change in meaning of PR | Mar 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | I found out in some documentaries | Mar 10 23:33 |
| schestowitz | And speeches | Mar 10 23:33 |
| oiaohm | One from the 1920~ had Public Relations as the address to contact for tech issues. Until I found out that Current day meaning and historic don't match it was like what the. | Mar 10 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Because no way today would you call Public Relations with a tech problem. | Mar 10 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Words change there meanings over time. | Mar 10 23:34 |
| schestowitz | +1 | Mar 10 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Before 1930 Propaganda was the job of the Advertising department. | Mar 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | It's making it hard to study history | Mar 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Like, if you read literature from old dayss | Mar 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Or videos | Mar 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | When "gay" meant happy | Mar 10 23:36 |
| schestowitz | And "hacker" didn't mean "Cracker" | Mar 10 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Yep town here still has a char named gay dan. With gay=happy. | Mar 10 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Bernays wrote the book "Propaganda" or "on Propaganda". it was about marketing. He was Freud's nephew. I think he died only recently. | Mar 10 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Now does that confuse vistors. | Mar 10 23:37 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Yes, he died at the age of 103 | Mar 10 23:38 |
| oiaohm | The other thing. People in jobs that get hated normally change there name to something else that was not evil. | Mar 10 23:38 |
| oiaohm | Ie there name of job. | Mar 10 23:38 |
| oiaohm | So over time people who use to do a job that was good get grouped in with people who did a job that was evil because people forget the divide. | Mar 10 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Blackwater for example | Mar 10 23:39 |
| schestowitz | PRWattch keeps track of many corrupt companies that do this | Mar 10 23:39 |
| oiaohm | Hacker and Cracker is a current day example. | Mar 10 23:40 |
| oiaohm | In words. | Mar 10 23:40 |
| schestowitz | It's horrible, isn't it? You can't follow the books | Mar 10 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Same with Compaq | Mar 10 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna publish lots of them in BN later this year | Mar 10 23:40 |
| schestowitz | But it's part of HP now | Mar 10 23:40 |
| oiaohm | If a person said they were a Cracker they would get basically spat on. | Mar 10 23:40 |
| oiaohm | So they started saying they were Hackers instead ie incorrect title. | Mar 10 23:40 |
| oiaohm | And media picked it up. | Mar 10 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I c.... | Mar 10 23:41 |
| oiaohm | So tainting everyone using the name Hacker. | Mar 10 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Well, some people clean it up a bit | Mar 10 23:41 |
| schestowitz | FSF says "hackers" | Mar 10 23:41 |
| schestowitz | In WordPress we have the wp-hackers list | Mar 10 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Just people who develop | Mar 10 23:41 |
| oiaohm | Reistance. | Mar 10 23:41 |
| schestowitz | The main/only dev list in fact | Mar 10 23:41 |
| oiaohm | Percentage resist the change. | Mar 10 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Correct them | Mar 10 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Same with "IP" | Mar 10 23:41 |
| oiaohm | In 30 years time if the Reistance is not strong enough old meaning of hacker will be lost for good. | Mar 10 23:42 |
| oiaohm | With public releations the Reistance was not strong enough so it got completely taken over. | Mar 10 23:42 |
| schestowitz | I see the the Gralla MS shill is making another round at Linux | Mar 10 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Studying it to break it and slur. | Mar 10 23:43 |
| oiaohm | Another thing that repeats and repeat threw history. Start of take over of word. Transission stage where both means of words. Then winner that is basically how it works. | Mar 10 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Why can't they just shove it? If they have bad intent when trying free software, then they can piss off. Unlike Beranger, they don't know what they talk about anyway | Mar 10 23:44 |
| schestowitz | I've seen people vilifying Linux for not having ctrl+alt+del for task manager | Mar 10 23:44 |
| oiaohm | Oldest meaning of word change I know is the world world. | Mar 10 23:44 |
| oiaohm | first world/word | Mar 10 23:44 |
| oiaohm | Its more lack of kernel mode switching is that ctrl+alt+del one. | Mar 10 23:45 |
| oiaohm | And yes they are right to vilify Linux for it if you are trying to use it as a desktop. No way out of a crashed graphical envorment is a bad thing. | Mar 10 23:46 |
| oiaohm | Only option Linux privides at moment is kill everything on the desktop. Not the best solution. | Mar 10 23:46 |
| oiaohm | good bit that will disappear hopefully in this 12 months for good. | Mar 10 23:46 |
| schestowitz | I see the yanks have kicked in daylight savings already | Mar 10 23:46 |
| schestowitz | In KDE there's CTRL+ESC | Mar 10 23:47 |
| schestowitz | The problem is that they assume things must be identical | Mar 10 23:47 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: do you know the oldest meaning of world (its kinda important when reading the stories of from the old testment) | Mar 10 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Recall the origin of ctrl+alt+del: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zADyh0JQh8 | Mar 10 23:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: go ahead | Mar 10 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Healthy used to mean fat (sometimes | Mar 10 23:48 |
| oiaohm | The oldest means is as far as you can see. | Mar 10 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Interesting. | Mar 10 23:48 |
| oiaohm | So noah flood is not that large. | Mar 10 23:48 |
| schestowitz | People's percetption of their surroundings vary | Mar 10 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Like that video about the sun that I posted here yesterday | Mar 10 23:49 |
| schestowitz | And some people believe there's a god above and hell below | Mar 10 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Still. | Mar 10 23:49 |
| oiaohm | Hell below could be more than true. | Mar 10 23:49 |
| schestowitz | We take for granted what we now know about the Solar system and astronomy. The work of many centuries of research...... | Mar 10 23:50 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: true assuming napalm is hell | Mar 10 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Or magma | Mar 10 23:50 |
| oiaohm | Hell is a mistranslation. | Mar 10 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Yes it made me laugh in chruch before. | Mar 10 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Hell closest correct translation is garbage dump. | Mar 10 23:51 |
| oiaohm | Ancient style of a garbage dump were people burnt it off. | Mar 10 23:52 |
| schestowitz | or S.H.I.T. | Mar 10 23:53 |
| PetoKraus | midnight again | Mar 10 23:56 |
| PetoKraus | :/ | Mar 10 23:56 |
| PetoKraus | and I didn't manage to finish my chapter. Oh well. | Mar 10 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Gehenna - A Greek term (borrowed from a literal burning dump near Jerusalem) that always refers to hell – a place of torment. Even the translation into greek is close. But not dead on. | Mar 10 23:56 |
| oiaohm | Now if the Greeks did not brorrow the location every who is going to hell is going to get stuck near jerusalem. | Mar 10 23:57 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: chapter 11? | Mar 10 23:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes over the years Hell has had many names. | Mar 10 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Look how underpopulated 'Novell's' event was: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iTMNui811o | Mar 10 23:58 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: :) not yet | Mar 10 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Las Vegas... GWAVACon instead of BrainShare. It's embarrassing to watch the attendance | Mar 10 23:59 |
| oiaohm | Also some sections of the greek bible even use the word hades for hell. | Mar 10 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Sodomy is an example | Mar 10 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Called after a place from the old testament | Mar 10 23:59 |
| schestowitz | Also Armageddon. | Mar 10 23:59 |
