03.31.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 30th, 2009 – Part 3
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| schestowitz | Maybe your stalker | Mar 30 17:59 |
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| Balrog | and how would they license the patents without breaking gpl? | Mar 30 17:59 |
| balzac | fuckin morons would know me if they paid the least bit of attention | Mar 30 17:59 |
| balzac | I’m like atrios who blogs under pseudonym, but his “true name” is known among those who pay even the least bit of attention to him | Mar 30 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, I wonder that | Mar 30 18:00 |
| Balrog | also there are no external links from that article confirming this | Mar 30 18:00 |
| schestowitz | There are others | Mar 30 18:00 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=15450 | Mar 30 18:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Mic… | Mar 30 18:00 |
| schestowitz | The CNET article is from Microsoft | Mar 30 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Lousy shill Ina Fried is a Microsoft mouthpiece | Mar 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | They almost ghostwrite what it posts | Mar 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/mark… | Mar 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | “Under the terms of a five-year agreement, Microsoft said TomTom will pay Microsoft for use of the eight car navigation and file management system patents in the case Microsoft brought against TomTom, while Microsoft will be able to use the four patents included in the TomTom countersuit without any payment to TomTom.” | Mar 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Reuters makes it seem like MS ‘caved’: “Microsoft settles TomTom patent dispute” | Mar 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | But this covers all 8 patents | Mar 30 18:01 |
| Balrog | TomTom will remove from its products the functionality related to two file management system patents (the “FAT LFN patents”), which enables efficient naming, organizing, storing and accessing of file data, Microsoft said. TomTom will remove this functionality within two years, and the agreement provides for coverage directly to TomTom’s end customers under these patents during that time. | Mar 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | So FAT too | Mar 30 18:01 |
| schestowitz | They didn’t fight it | Mar 30 18:01 |
| Balrog | that’s no good | Mar 30 18:01 |
| Balrog | they’re pulling out FAT32 support | Mar 30 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is miserable | Mar 30 18:02 |
| schestowitz | They don’t know what else to | Mar 30 18:02 |
| schestowitz | *to do | Mar 30 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Tell the Mono danbois | Mar 30 18:02 |
| Balrog | they will sue someone else soon, I’m sure | Mar 30 18:02 |
| schestowitz | *fanbois | Mar 30 18:02 |
| schestowitz | They don’t care… about wonderful Microsoft | Mar 30 18:02 |
| Balrog | the eweek article has more info | Mar 30 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is the next SCO | Mar 30 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Let me post about it quickly | Mar 30 18:03 |
| Balrog | ok | Mar 30 18:03 |
| Balrog | PJ should post about this on groklaw | Mar 30 18:03 |
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| Balrog | (Tom-Tom probably will just use a ext2 or ext3 driver on the computer side) | Mar 30 18:04 |
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| Balrog | twitter: MS and Tom Tom settled :X | Mar 30 18:05 |
| Balrog | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Mic… | Mar 30 18:05 |
| now if only camera makers and others would dump FAT … | Mar 30 18:06 | |
| Balrog | and go with what? | Mar 30 18:06 |
| it’s been a while since I looked, but I thought there were a few other flash file systems that were free. | Mar 30 18:07 | |
| Balrog | but will windows users be able to read them?? | Mar 30 18:08 |
| all of the device makers could dump FAT and go with something free without loss because they all have some crappy w32 drivers for the device itself. | Mar 30 18:08 | |
| Balrog | that’s not true in most cases | Mar 30 18:08 |
| Balrog | the device is just a usb mass storage device | Mar 30 18:08 |
| Balrog | and shows up as a drive | Mar 30 18:08 |
| Balrog | Apple isn’t using FAT in the iphone/ipod touch, BTW … they’re using their own HFS+ | Mar 30 18:09 |
| in many cases this is true, but they all come with some kind of crappy software that talks to the device. | Mar 30 18:09 | |
| Balrog | not true | Mar 30 18:09 |
| Balrog | few come with…. | Mar 30 18:09 |
| Balrog | most are just USB mass storage | Mar 30 18:09 |
| show me a camera that does not come with some kind of photo organizer. | Mar 30 18:09 | |
| I’ve got one that I still can’t get the movies off without crappy w32 software. | Mar 30 18:10 | |
| Balrog | I know what you mean | Mar 30 18:10 |
| Balrog | I never use that software | Mar 30 18:10 |
| Balrog | I just put it away, and use usb mass storage | Mar 30 18:10 |
| this is what gphoto library is all about | Mar 30 18:10 | |
| Balrog | the camera you’re talking about is non-standard | Mar 30 18:10 |
| almost all of them have some kind of non standard crap in them. | Mar 30 18:11 | |
| Balrog | well, the majority of current cameras are mass storage devices | Mar 30 18:11 |
| Balrog | that use the FAT32 filesystem | Mar 30 18:11 |
| there are a number of devices I’ve had to send back because they did not work well as USB mass storage. USB itself is a crappy firewire copy. | Mar 30 18:11 | |
| Balrog | firewire is good, but more expensive because it relies on a controller chip at both ends | Mar 30 18:12 |
| usb mass storage works with any file system. | Mar 30 18:12 | |
| Balrog | a complex controller chip * | Mar 30 18:12 |
| Balrog | yes, I know that | Mar 30 18:12 |
| chips are cheap | Mar 30 18:13 | |
| Balrog | USB chips are smaller and cheaper, and use less power, than Firewire chips | Mar 30 18:13 |
| the difference between firewire and usb is much like the difference between IDE and SCSI used to be, it was bullshit to make Apple and M$ competitors look more expensive. | Mar 30 18:13 | |
| Google’s test data showed no difference in reliability between IDE and SCSI disks. | Mar 30 18:14 | |
| Balrog | yeah :/ | Mar 30 18:14 |
| amarsh04 | new tomtom article is on www.groklaw.net | Mar 30 18:14 |
| Balrog | SCSI is better in a way; it allows more devices on one cable | Mar 30 18:14 |
| *amarsh04 has an 11 year old scsi drive still running fine | Mar 30 18:15 | |
| Well, yeah, SCSI was better and IDE was a cheap rip off that sucked. The real costs to make each were virtually the same though. So generations of PCs were stuck with inferior crap just so M$ could stick it to Apple. | Mar 30 18:16 | |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: excellent, thanks. | Mar 30 18:16 |
| Balrog | but SCSI was always more expensive | Mar 30 18:16 |
| Balrog | even for non-Apple system | Mar 30 18:16 |
| Balrog | systems * | Mar 30 18:16 |
| I have both old SCSI and IDE. They are both cheap used. | Mar 30 18:16 | |
| Balrog | yeah, /used/ | Mar 30 18:16 |
| there was no difference in manufacturing, that’s what Google’s drive study showed. | Mar 30 18:16 | |
| *amarsh04 must get ready for work… | Mar 30 18:17 | |
| the price difference was artificial. All along, you should have been able to use SCSI at IDE prices and IDE should have died. | Mar 30 18:17 | |
| later amarsh04 | Mar 30 18:17 | |
| Balrog | yes. | Mar 30 18:17 |
| Apple has dropped firewire, unfortunately. We won’t be seeing much of that anymore. | Mar 30 18:18 | |
| Balrog | no Apple hasn’t | Mar 30 18:18 |
| that’s good | Mar 30 18:18 | |
| Balrog | they only dropped Firewire from the low-end laptop | Mar 30 18:18 |
| Balrog | the metal Macbook | Mar 30 18:19 |
| ahhh, metal Macbook is low end? | Mar 30 18:19 | |
| Balrog | on all other systems, they dropped the obsolete firewire 400 connector | Mar 30 18:19 |
| hmmm. | Mar 30 18:19 | |
| cool | Mar 30 18:19 | |
| Balrog | well, it’s low-end and new-construction | Mar 30 18:19 |
| Balrog | plastic macbook is not a new model | Mar 30 18:19 |
| Balrog | just a bump | Mar 30 18:19 |
| Balrog | so now you get FireWire 800, which means you need to buy an adapter or cable | Mar 30 18:20 |
| Balrog | but I hear that the firewire connector won’t change after this | Mar 30 18:20 |
| Balrog | (except for the ethernet-compatible RJ-45 variant) | Mar 30 18:20 |
| compared to USB, the connectors were sane. | Mar 30 18:20 | |
| Balrog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firew… | Mar 30 18:20 |
| I hate all of the USB form factors | Mar 30 18:20 | |
| Balrog | I dislike USB | Mar 30 18:21 |
| Balrog | but I’ve had loose firewire 400 connectors | Mar 30 18:21 |
| Balrog |  |
Mar 30 18:21 |
| I’ve got a little USB connector kit. It has five adapters and none of them fit my cell phone. | Mar 30 18:21 | |
| Balrog | blame the cell phone companies | Mar 30 18:22 |
| Balrog | why can’t they all agree on a standard? | Mar 30 18:22 |
| I blame US cell phone providers. ATT and friends, they are greedy all the way back to the BSD case. | Mar 30 18:22 | |
| Balrog | I’ll be back in an hour or so | Mar 30 18:23 |
| later | Mar 30 18:23 | |
| ATT is so evil that a single CEO cancer cell from them was enough to end the HP way. | Mar 30 18:23 | |
| Balrog | Verizon is worse, I’m afraid | Mar 30 18:24 |
| http://www.groklaw.net/article.php… | Mar 30 18:28 | |
| tom tom | Mar 30 18:28 | |
| Verizon and ATT are the same, right? | Mar 30 18:29 | |
| Obama chides automakers while handing them cash. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/3… | Mar 30 18:31 | |
| schestowitz | Will Microsoft also go after companies whose products use Mono/ | Mar 30 18:33 |
| Let’s see if he can make them go green and be competitive. Right now US autos are pure crap. | Mar 30 18:33 | |
| schestowitz | Like FAT? | Mar 30 18:33 |
| schestowitz | I’ll make it a post about Mono | Mar 30 18:33 |
| Of course M$ will go after them. | Mar 30 18:33 | |
| schestowitz | Obama should give cash to homeowners | Mar 30 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Not steal from them to pay some more to rich bastard who caused this crisis | Mar 30 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Rather than jailing them he rewards them | Mar 30 18:34 |
| schestowitz | BUT | Mar 30 18:34 |
| schestowitz | They run the country, so is anyone surprised? | Mar 30 18:34 |
| Yes, I’m surprised. | Mar 30 18:34 | |
| The depth of hypocrisy is astounding. | Mar 30 18:35 | |
| Then again, I’ve repeatedly predicted that trade with China will make the US more like China than it makes China free. | Mar 30 18:37 | |
| Here, in this orgy of public looting and consolidation, you see the nationalization of the banking and automotive industries. | Mar 30 18:38 | |
| Healthcare too, but that might actually be better than the greedy mess we have now. | Mar 30 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | The US has always been hypocritical about China | Mar 30 18:47 |
| schestowitz | This doesn’t mean that it’s equally bad tnough | Mar 30 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Same with the UK BTW | Mar 30 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Not a US thing. | Mar 30 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Nor German or whatever… there are few small exceptiopns.. maybe | Mar 30 18:48 |
| balzac | Roy, who do you favor, Krugman or Geitner? | Mar 30 18:51 |
| balzac | or what about that arrogant buffoon, Larry Summers? | Mar 30 18:51 |
| balzac | for making policy re: the economic crisis | Mar 30 18:52 |
| balzac | Maybe they should dust off Alan Greenspan, give him a teleprompter and let the people feel nostalgic about his encouraging words | Mar 30 18:53 |
| balzac | instead of “irrational exuberance” he can say “unreasonable pessimism” | Mar 30 18:53 |
| balzac | “print more money”, “put more money in the banks”, it’s just a big casino anyway | Mar 30 18:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rdwarf.com/users/kioh/ | Mar 30 18:54 |
| balzac | make more chips | Mar 30 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Fries? | Mar 30 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Kelly Fiveash and Clare hijacked The Register for some topic and they spin for Microsoft | Mar 30 18:58 |
| schestowitz | The Register is kaput for bias in favour of /freedom/. What shame…. | Mar 30 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Nokia kicks OEMs to the curb < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… > | Mar 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | My take on the TomTom case: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/30… | Mar 30 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Me on Microsoft muscling the Democrats http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/30/mic… and media bias: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/30/sha… | Mar 30 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Important citation: http://www.heise.de/english/… (Conficker infects UK parliament) <– use this when people tell you that patching Windows keeps you OK | Mar 30 19:01 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: what’s your take on TomTom? | Mar 30 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Western Digital enters the SSD market… sign of news storage trends? | Mar 30 19:09 |
| schestowitz | “Google is reportedly in talks with Disney to stream ESPN and ABC television programming such as “Desperate Housewives,” “Lost,” and “Ugly Betty” to YouTube.” < http://www.pcworld.com/article/162… > | Mar 30 19:10 |
| schestowitz | The Linux Foundation family keeps growing. Linux Foundation Welcomes credativ, Strengthens Presence in Europe < http://ostatic.com/blog/linux-f… > | Mar 30 19:15 |
| schestowitz | The bribe/scam (live@edu) has another victim: http://www.itwire.com/conte… | Mar 30 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | Who is Stewart Meagher…? | Mar 30 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Very weird hypothesis: Citigroup interested in buying Red Hat? < http://blogs.techrepublic.com…. > | Mar 30 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft shill Jesper says: “Jesus – the link I posted on OOXML/ODF-comparison is spreading like the plague through Microsoft tweets. Guys, it’s not _that_ interesting.” | Mar 30 19:33 |
| schestowitz | The shills (MS partner) seed the MS poison vs ODF and Microsoft then uses it. What is this doing in the ODF feed anyway? | Mar 30 19:34 |
| schestowitz | I don’t like the sound of this: http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbo… | Mar 30 19:41 |
| schestowitz | When you buy SLED you pay Microsoft for software patents that it never revealed. People will hopefully steer away from it and use proper solutions like Ubuntu, Mandriva, PCLinuxOS, and many others. | Mar 30 19:41 |
| schestowitz | “This is really starting to play out just as I feared in the beginning. It will be interesting to see how Microsoft proceeds now: whether it openly threatens others using Linux, or does everything discreetly. I predict the latter, but the effect on Linux in this market will still be chilling. “ | Mar 30 19:42 |
| PetoKraus | lol | Mar 30 19:42 |
| PetoKraus | http://www.h-online.com/secu… | Mar 30 19:42 |
| PetoKraus | 1. april | Mar 30 19:45 |
| PetoKraus | fun | Mar 30 19:45 |
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| schestowitz | What happens in 2 days? | Mar 30 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Not everyone will be laughing, that’s for sure | Mar 30 19:47 |
| PetoKraus | conficker. | Mar 30 19:47 |
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| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u think that it is okay to offer Branded Firefox for Debian users? | Mar 30 19:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php… “ | Mar 30 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Is MS paying tomtom royalties to license Tomtom’spatents, or is Tomtom making a similar promise not to sue MS’s customers?” | Mar 30 19:54 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I think it’s a secondary issue right now (branding and all), but I’m in favour of CIeweasel | Mar 30 19:55 |
| schestowitz | very interesting to see today how the MAFIAA members are willing to evolve with YouTube | Mar 30 19:56 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how what terms….. | Mar 30 19:56 |
| schestowitz | “Rising sea levels are eating away at coastal sites, increased rainfall is eroding mud-brick ruins, creeping desert sands are blasting the traces of ancient civilizations, and the melting of ice is causing millennia-old organic remains to rot” http://www.archaeology.org/0903/e… | Mar 30 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Oil plagues sound 20 years after Exxon Valdez < http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/298384… > “Twenty years after the Exxon Valdez spilled 11 million gallons of crude oil in Alaska’s Prince William Sound, oil persists in the region and, in some places, “is nearly as toxic as it was the first few weeks after the spill,” according to the council overseeing restoration efforts.” | Mar 30 19:58 |
| Balrog | _Hicham_: I don’t see a problem with it as long as it’s unpatched | Mar 30 19:58 |
| Balrog | and Mozilla approves it | Mar 30 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Can’t the US already produce and use its gas in the US? | Mar 30 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Being self-sufficient is a valuable thing | Mar 30 19:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/20… RMS: “The UN would like me to be punished for stating that many religions are dangerous mind-viruses.” | Mar 30 19:59 |
| schestowitz | “Free Software & ODF were Introduced Before Anvar Sadath coming in top of IT@school Project Syllabus of IT@school is Decided by SCERT http://www.scert.kerala.gov.in/ not by IT@school Director During Anvar Sadath’s term He tried to Introduce Content Building Training in Flash & Photoshop (U already quoted the points) Also FSF India’s letter link is provided…” | Mar 30 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Many ODF people read this article in BN about the award | Mar 30 20:01 |
| schestowitz | “Who was anvar sadath? He was in Information Kerala Mission At first . Later he become the District Coordinator for akshaya, which is a e-literacy project on Windows platform See Details http://www.bhashaindia.com/Patrons/Eve… https://www.millennium.berkeley…. “ | Mar 30 20:02 |
| schestowitz | “As per my knowledge still akshaya works on Microsoft Platform. About IT@school Anvar is taking Credit of Others who worked to create a eco system based on freedom.” | Mar 30 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | Update: Google rolls out semantic search capabilities < http://www.infoworld.com/article/09/03/24… > | Mar 30 20:12 |
| schestowitz | PJ links to: Microsoft to Feather Nest With Apache < http://www.serverwatch.com/ne… > | Mar 30 20:22 |
| schestowitz | “First, open source applications running on Windows means no Linux kernel to benefit from. Note the article tells you clearly that Microsoft is still working hard to try to get open source applications to run right on Windows. Why not benefit from the full Linux experience instead of limping along on Windows, always a step behind? No. Really. And you might want to reread this article by Bruce Perens on the overview, to understand w | Mar 30 20:22 |
| schestowitz | hat I mean and what I think Microsoft means.” | Mar 30 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat Stands Alone, For The Better < http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/a… > | Mar 30 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Watch how the BSA, with Bill Gates’ dad’s people inside, pushed for MS in DHS: http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/artic… | Mar 30 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Phipps is coming to Manchester: http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/m… | Mar 30 20:41 |
| schestowitz | YAY! | Mar 30 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Another major Microsoft product dies: “Important Notice: MSN Encarta to be Discontinued” < http://encarta.msn.com/g… > | Mar 30 20:47 |
| Encarta, ha ha. | Mar 30 20:50 | |
| Did they buy Britanica yet? | Mar 30 20:50 | |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha_ha | Mar 30 20:50 |
| Haxor Economist is very funny. | Mar 30 20:50 | |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Muntz | Mar 30 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Now leadership can say, “You know, that multi-billion dollar budget growth year-over-year just wasn’t sustainable. We all knew that.”‘ http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/… | Mar 30 20:52 |
| you misspelled trillion there. | Mar 30 20:52 | |
| schestowitz | MS employee: “Zero attrition. Stagnation. Organizational constipation. Nothing good comes out of that but corporate sepsis.” http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/03/share… | Mar 30 20:53 |
| opps, you’re talking M$ not federal government and war in Iraq. | Mar 30 20:53 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: no, he talks about MS alone | Mar 30 20:53 |
| schestowitz | He works for them | Mar 30 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Disappointed | Mar 30 20:53 |
| schestowitz | MSFT is going to the toilet very fast | Mar 30 20:53 |
| ha ha, that’s what Lord snot says when the peasants break their legs on his trench fence? | Mar 30 20:54 | |
| schestowitz | And there won’t be an ‘encyclopedia’ (Encarta) to document theie death | Mar 30 20:54 |
| schestowitz | “Microsoft has had clear competitors in the past. It’s a good thing we have museums to document that.” –Bill gates | Mar 30 20:54 |
| MSFT is sinking, thanks for the link. It would be funny for them to think buying Britanica is a good business move. | Mar 30 20:54 | |
| schestowitz | “Linux has had clear competitors in the past. It’s a good thing Linux have museums to document that.” –me | Mar 30 20:54 |
| The library of greed. | Mar 30 20:55 | |
| Museum of bad computing. | Mar 30 20:55 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is just suing for survival now | Mar 30 20:55 |
| schestowitz | SCO did too | Mar 30 20:55 |
| schestowitz | And the stock surged when it did | Mar 30 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Lehman predicts IP will be sidelined under Obama < http://www.managingip.com/A… > | Mar 30 20:55 |
| schestowitz | /s/IP/MS/ | Mar 30 20:56 |
| Yes, that’s cool stuff. Did you ever find a free article? | Mar 30 20:56 | |
| schestowitz | Weird… Don Marti writes for LJ now?? http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/linuxjour… | Mar 30 20:56 |
| schestowitz | twitter: no need, headline is enough | Mar 30 20:57 |
| schestowitz | And some other dying ‘analyst’ (Lehman) | Mar 30 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has a miserable time. It only tries to ensure others — like TomTom — have an equally miserable time. | Mar 30 20:58 |
| Actually, I’d like to see more of what was actually said. I’m going to check out the minimsft fun. The “shared sacrifice” title sound promising. Then I might do another Google news search for Lehman. There had to be more than one journalist in the room. | Mar 30 20:58 | |
| schestowitz | If you find it, pls paste url or text | Mar 30 21:01 |
| schestowitz | there’s not much time left to document msft’s demise | Mar 30 21:02 |
| schestowitz | They shed off units pretty fast | Mar 30 21:02 |
| First post, pure crap. M$ is not collapsing because they tried to grow too much last year. They are collapsing because their flagship products are pure suck and nothing they have done in the last decade with all the monopoly rents was any better. | Mar 30 21:02 | |
| schestowitz | Windows and Office are stll at the core and will stay | Mar 30 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Zune must die soon | Mar 30 21:02 |
| Competitors ran rings around them. | Mar 30 21:02 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does not advertise it | Mar 30 21:02 |
| Balrog | zune is practically dead | Mar 30 21:02 |
| schestowitz | It’s not even showing in ANY news item (among thousands) for MONTHS | Mar 30 21:02 |
| Windows is dead. | Mar 30 21:02 | |
| schestowitz | Unless there’s the leap year bug or something (bad PR) | Mar 30 21:02 |
| Office is dead. | Mar 30 21:02 | |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, it is, but not officially. | Mar 30 21:03 |
| schestowitz | They also have users to support | Mar 30 21:03 |
| schestowitz | it’s like with MSN music | Mar 30 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft killed MSN Music officially. | Mar 30 21:03 |
| People buy them for legacy reasons but everyone loathes them and everyone hates the massive changes for poorer performance. | Mar 30 21:03 | |
| schestowitz | There was an outrage due to DRM servers | Mar 30 21:03 |
| Balrog | Windows and Office are still around | Mar 30 21:03 |
| schestowitz | So Microsoft kept those servers up for a while | Mar 30 21:03 |
| schestowitz | So people can lisren to the music they RENTED (joy! Renting music) | Mar 30 21:04 |
| Balrog | Zune never saw the light of day; the ipod and the other players didn’t let it appear | Mar 30 21:04 |
| Windows and Office: Dead men walking. | Mar 30 21:04 | |
| M$ won’t be able to squeeze $60 out of OEMs when OEMs are selling $200 computers. | Mar 30 21:04 | |
| schestowitz | Office moves to the Web | Mar 30 21:04 |
| schestowitz | It starts from behind | Mar 30 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft admitted in 2007 that adoption of it was abysmal | Mar 30 21:04 |
| schestowitz | And they DON”T know how to make money from it | Mar 30 21:05 |
| M$’s web presence will never catch up to Google or even Yahoo. | Mar 30 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | They say so | Mar 30 21:05 |
| schestowitz | They are used to pure $400 profit (they don’t pay tax) from Office liceces | Mar 30 21:05 |
| They pretend they don’t know how Google works as they panic to copy them. | Mar 30 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | AND forced upgrades | Mar 30 21:05 |
| all gone. | Mar 30 21:05 | |
| schestowitz | No PAID upgrade on the cloud | Mar 30 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Subscriptions onlu | Mar 30 21:05 |
| schestowitz | twitter: not quite | Mar 30 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Wait.. | Mar 30 21:05 |
| schestowitz | A friend explains it well | Mar 30 21:05 |
| schestowitz | From an E-mail. | Mar 30 21:06 |
| MSNBC, CNBC, me laughs as Google takes all of their ad revenue. | Mar 30 21:06 | |
| schestowitz | “[this reminds me of Ballmers' baiting of Google, eg their web suite isn't a real Office suite. In other words please needlessly expend energy on the desktop while we 'innovate' in the cloud.. purr of evil ]“ | Mar 30 21:06 |
| MinceR | i wouldn’t laugh then | Mar 30 21:06 |
| Who’s going to buy a $400 Office suite for a $200 computer? | Mar 30 21:06 | |
| schestowitz | http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/… | Mar 30 21:06 |
| schestowitz | http://iowa.gotthefacts.org/… | Mar 30 21:06 |
| MinceR | google isn’t so great either | Mar 30 21:06 |
| Google won’t cripple my hardware with ACPI and other bullshit. | Mar 30 21:07 | |
| schestowitz | It ain’t | Mar 30 21:07 |
| schestowitz | It presents other issues | Mar 30 21:07 |
| schestowitz | AGPL they need to support… | Mar 30 21:07 |
| schestowitz | But with shareholders they have to be bastards | Mar 30 21:07 |
| MinceR | they’ll instead lock you to browsers of their own choosing via their web empire | Mar 30 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Same with Amazon snubbing “Open Cloud” | Mar 30 21:07 |
| I can take or leave Google. M$ get in my face with their stuff. | Mar 30 21:08 | |
| MinceR | and they’ll steal your private data, build a profile of you and sell it to everyone | Mar 30 21:08 |
| schestowitz | The Web is open, so they find new lockin in it — Cloud | Mar 30 21:08 |
| MinceR | and they’ll give it to the corrupt governments gratis | Mar 30 21:08 |
| My ISP already does that, thanks. | Mar 30 21:08 | |
| MinceR | and they’ll serve those governments in other ways too | Mar 30 21:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: They will? | Mar 30 21:08 |
| schestowitz | They already do | Mar 30 21:08 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 30 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Same with MSFT | Mar 30 21:08 |
| schestowitz | In China | Mar 30 21:08 |
| schestowitz | They give them data | Mar 30 21:08 |
| schestowitz | And they build profiles | Mar 30 21:08 |
| My computer would, if I was dumb enough to run Winblows. I can’t hide from the internet though. | Mar 30 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | Male/female determined by browsing habits and much more | Mar 30 21:09 |
| MinceR | if google gets stronger, this trend will proceed | Mar 30 21:09 |
| schestowitz | I have lots of articles about that | Mar 30 21:09 |
| MinceR | they’ll also have/provide data to base “dynamic pricing” on | Mar 30 21:09 |
| schestowitz | On SLED 11: “Anyone that does not want to play with M$ will equally not want to play with someone that does want to play with M$. It’s just not a good idea!” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor… | Mar 30 21:10 |
| MinceR | which means google will rob you and they’ll help others do so too | Mar 30 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Same they said about Expedia | Mar 30 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft cookie-swap | Mar 30 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Joel Spolsky wrote about it,.. | Mar 30 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Hold on… | Mar 30 21:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.joelonsoftware.com… | Mar 30 21:11 |
| schestowitz | “Microsoft’s online travel agency Expedia is a Passport web site, and Microsoft Investor is too. One day, Expedia could start offering higher fares to customers who have more than a million dollars in their Investor stock portfolio. There’s not really anything technically impossible about this, and it’s probably legal, too.” | Mar 30 21:11 |
| schestowitz | It’s very old | Mar 30 21:11 |
| schestowitz | So it’s somewhat prophetic | Mar 30 21:11 |
| Second article, all the people laid off were rehired. That would be stupid for M$ to do, but I doubt they would be so nice. | Mar 30 21:11 | |
| miniM$FT is corporate spin. Everything presented there is better than reality. It can only be used to confirm the existence of bad things. | Mar 30 21:13 | |
| It reads like another voice of the Wintel press that tries to gain your confidence with a few petty admissions. | Mar 30 21:14 | |
| blech. | Mar 30 21:14 | |
| schestowitz | Someone “Seen TomTom? Holy crap. I just wonder where they all these players are now.” | Mar 30 21:16 |
| schestowitz | twitter: it’s a Microsoft employee | Mar 30 21:17 |
| schestowitz | But they leak secrets in the comments sometimes, so it can be good fun | Mar 30 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Think of it as Microsoft | Mar 30 21:17 |
| schestowitz | But a dissenting uncensored voice… anonymous comments and poster | Mar 30 21:17 |
| schestowitz | mjasay: “Forget Digg or Slashdot. The real traffic king? Google/Google News. I’m shocked by how much more traffic it drives for my CNET blog” | Mar 30 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Good for those whose Web site is associated with “Wintel” press | Mar 30 21:18 |
| schestowitz | They just ‘buy’ themselves a place in a platform | Mar 30 21:18 |
| schestowitz | In this case owned by corporations | Mar 30 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is compromising its existence as a ‘standard’. Now, let’s see if they can be pressured to support free FSs. | Mar 30 21:20 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: your prophecy: “Is Google (NSDQ: GOOG) once again bending its “Don’t be evil” mantra to retain its access to a major Asian market? That’s the suggestion in a report in the Korean paper Hankyoreh, which says that Internet users in…” | Mar 30 21:24 |
| schestowitz | “…South Korea will soon have to enter their resident registration number and name before posting videos or commenting on YouTube Korea, and Google will have to turn over that information to the government if it asks for it.”” | Mar 30 21:24 |
| schestowitz | “Free” speech… as long as they know who you are.. for vendettas and such. | Mar 30 21:24 |
| “(03:26:46 PM) schestowitz: twitter: it’s a Microsoft employee” So are Wintel “journalists” to one extent or another. | Mar 30 21:25 | |
| balzac | The phrase “boundary issues” comes to mind | Mar 30 21:25 |
| Why does Slashdot pay attention to trolls like Bruce Byfield? | Mar 30 21:25 | |
| and ignore the cool things people like RMS, Bruce Perens, etc say. | Mar 30 21:26 | |
| schestowitz | Damage control after Jim Whitehurst’s tacless remarks: http://www.workswithu.com/2009/03/29/w… | Mar 30 21:27 |
| schestowitz | twitter: Datamation stuff | Mar 30 21:27 |
| schestowitz | They seem to have good karma. Some of my articles for them made /.’s FP. | Mar 30 21:28 |
| Strange. | Mar 30 21:28 | |
| schestowitz | “The decision to cut Encarta also comes as Microsoft looks to cut costs. The company has discontinued several products this year, including its Train Simulator game. The news was first reported by Ars Technica.” http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-m… | Mar 30 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Bad idea: Does the Linux Desktop Need to Be Revolutionized Android-style? < http://codingexperiments.com/does-the-li… > Yet another ‘unified’ idea-flinging | Mar 30 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Nice new KDE4 wallpapers: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D1EpnOVJuA8/SdDz… | Mar 30 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Linus Torvalds Upset over Ext3 and Ext4 < http://www.linux-magazine.com/onlin… >. Some people are focusing on the wrong aspect of this criticism. | Mar 30 21:36 |
| MinceR | at least Linus has a clue, even if Ts’o doesn’t | Mar 30 21:42 |
| “Unified” desktop, just like M$ or Apple? No thanks. I like applications that work. | Mar 30 21:44 | |
| Balrog | unified?????? | Mar 30 21:44 |
| M$ is more seriously fragmented than any other desktop. | Mar 30 21:45 | |
| Balrog | heh, MS is the least unified of all | Mar 30 21:45 |
| There have been a few disturbances in the clipboard recently, but I’m easily able to run every application I like on top of E16, a 10 year old Window Manager. | Mar 30 21:45 | |
| MinceR | afaik both clipboards work fine  |
Mar 30 21:46 |
| I’ve been having a little trouble cutting and pasting into various Iceweasel dialogs. | Mar 30 21:47 | |
| I like to use Klipper to manage my clipboard. | Mar 30 21:47 | |
| MinceR | so do i | Mar 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | CTRL+ALT+V FTW | Mar 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | And also the two-level cipboard stack | Mar 30 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Grab two bits of text at the same time.. | Mar 30 21:48 |
| This kind of trouble is something I have not seen in eight years. I use shift-insert, mostly. | Mar 30 21:48 | |
| schestowitz | Never fear Linux < http://www.everyjoe.com/newlin… > | Mar 30 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft may be trying to suck up to Kaltura: http://qwiji.com/Show.aspx?sid=207 | Mar 30 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Who’s on KDE4 here? | Mar 30 21:52 |
| *schestowitz on 3.5.10 … not letting go until the distro expires, ever. Upgrade to KDE 4.2.1 < http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com… > | Mar 30 21:52 | |
| Balrog | I tried 4.2 , still crashes occasionally :/ | Mar 30 21:57 |
| schestowitz | I’d upgrade if I set up a new machine or wanted a different distro. | Mar 30 21:59 |
| schestowitz | No reason to rip apart a perfectly fine install. 21:59:39 up 26 days, 7:18, 2 users, load average: 1.12, 1.16, 1.20 | Mar 30 22:00 |
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| oiaohm | The tomtom agreement shows something. Fat patents are becoming worthless. | Mar 30 22:01 |
| oiaohm | More interesting question when do LFN patents expire. | Mar 30 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat’s stance on swpats is still debates and I’ll write about it tomorrow. | Mar 30 22:02 |
| _Hicham_ | Fat patents should go to the gym | Mar 30 22:02 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : take the fat patents to the gym with u | Mar 30 22:02 |
| schestowitz | And get a heart attack | Mar 30 22:02 |
| oiaohm | Ie is 2 years long enough to get passt the end of it. | Mar 30 22:02 |
| schestowitz | They can find other poison | Mar 30 22:03 |
| oiaohm | Like here a software patent will only last 8 years. | Mar 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Mono is a good condidate | Mar 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Many distros have this junk | Mar 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Removing is is near impossible | Mar 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about how apps depend on it as a foundation… MANY apps | Mar 30 22:03 |
| oiaohm | Really removeing mono is not impossible. | Mar 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | You then destroy many apps | Mar 30 22:03 |
| schestowitz | You can substitute, BUT | Mar 30 22:03 |
| oiaohm | apps without clones ? | Mar 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | They are still in the process of replacing everything with Mono | Mar 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Think of FAT as the FAT of devs, not hardware storage | Mar 30 22:04 |
| schestowitz | *think of Mono | Mar 30 22:04 |
| oiaohm | Vala in gnome is a close enough relation to C# to port accross lot of .net application. | Mar 30 22:05 |
| oiaohm | That is what has kinda stuffed MS plans. | Mar 30 22:05 |
| oiaohm | Push too hard there is a plan b they can move to. | Mar 30 22:06 |
| oiaohm | Most harmed thing by Mono is apple. | Mar 30 22:06 |
| MinceR | :( http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid… | Mar 30 22:09 |
| oiaohm | April 24, 2015 is when LFN patent expires. | Mar 30 22:11 |
| oiaohm | Boy USA allows software patents for 20 years. | Mar 30 22:12 |
| oiaohm | That is so crappy its not funny. | Mar 30 22:12 |
| oiaohm | Really that would be a interesting line to take mono from. You get 5 years free then will be paying for the next 15. | Mar 30 22:13 |
| schestowitz | You mean, like Novell | Mar 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | They could have submarine patents from 2006 | Mar 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Still being filed | Mar 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Not since _day of invention_ | Mar 30 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Day of granted/application?? | Mar 30 22:14 |
| oiaohm | That is another place USA law sux. | Mar 30 22:15 |
| oiaohm | Ray Duncan, “Using long filenames and extended attributes” parts 1 & 2, PC Magazine vol. 9 nos 8 & 9. pp. 317 & 305, Apr. 24 & May 15, 1990 << That would be prior art here. | Mar 30 22:15 |
| oiaohm | Making patent invalid because its incorrectly dated. | Mar 30 22:15 |
| oiaohm | You would only be able to have 20 years from data of first publish. | Mar 30 22:16 |
| oiaohm | here you only have a 12 month window really to submit a patent request. | Mar 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | One billion souls to save < http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news… > | Mar 30 22:17 |
| schestowitz | People try to blidnly defend TomTom | Mar 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | I don’t think they deserve it though | Mar 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft went to a troubled company on purpose | Mar 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | And its shills pressured it to surrender also | Mar 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is like the mare that eats dead rats] | Mar 30 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Two dying/dead objects — one bigger — battling it out | Mar 30 22:19 |
| oiaohm | Problem here for TomTom is the two fat patents are under review. | Mar 30 22:19 |
| oiaohm | You would fell like a complete twit going to court over then and they get revoked half way through. | Mar 30 22:20 |
| oiaohm | Its also not functionality TomTom needs. | Mar 30 22:20 |
| oiaohm | Major reason why TomTom had fat in the first place is compadiblity with windows. | Mar 30 22:20 |
| You assume M$ has a sense of shame left. | Mar 30 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | Skype May Be The Biggest Winner From The Web 2.0 Era < http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive… > *ping* Balrog — iphone gets it too.. | Mar 30 22:21 |
| oiaohm | Maybe now TomTom will setup up and do a nokia. | Mar 30 22:21 |
| oiaohm | Ie use there own fileformat internally. | Mar 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | twitter: Microsoft’s sense of shame is long gone | Mar 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Even when they fed SCO | Mar 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Or halloween Document | Mar 30 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Or “tilt Lotus into the death spiral” | Mar 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Actually, I don’t think they ever had shame | Mar 30 22:22 |
| schestowitz | They are inherently corrupt individuals running this company | Mar 30 22:22 |
| oiaohm | Only once. | Mar 30 22:22 |
| every “standard” that M$ wrecks, is one less thing to keep M$ as the center of everyone’s computing world. | Mar 30 22:22 | |
| oiaohm | Bill Gates and the windows blue screen of death. | Mar 30 22:22 |
| oiaohm | I think that was the only time they had shame. | Mar 30 22:22 |
| not even. | Mar 30 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/19/… | Mar 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s Brad Silverberg: “Cut Those F*ckers Off” | Mar 30 22:23 |
| I like how they drive companies away. | Mar 30 22:23 | |
| schestowitz | “Microsoft retaliated against industry participants that supported DR-DOS. For example, when Z-Nix Inc. bundled DR-DOS 6.0 and Microsoft Windows 3.1, proclaiming no incompatibilities, Microsoft’s Brad Silverberg wrote: “look what znix is doing! cut those fuckers off.” | Mar 30 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Android-ready: Rhodes 1.0, ein Ruby-Framework für Mobilanwendungen < http://www.linux-magazin.de/news/android_r… > | Mar 30 22:24 |
| schestowitz | “Google Inc on Monday launched free downloads of licensed songs in China, while sharing advertising revenue with major music labels in a market rife with online piracy.” http://www.reuters.com/article/technology… How will MAFIAA respond? | Mar 30 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Another victory for desktop GNU/Linux, this time in Denmark: http://www.osor.eu/news/dk-telecom-agen… | Mar 30 22:27 |
| oiaohm | Really we don’t have the tools for a major Linux desktop attack yet. | Mar 30 22:28 |
| balzac | Roy, that guy “Dan O’Brian” must be writing under a pseudonym | Mar 30 22:28 |
| balzac | what an ass-hat | Mar 30 22:28 |
| oiaohm | Any victory now is still just a tip of iceberg for what is coming. | Mar 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it starts from the top | Mar 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Denmark sending ODF downwards | Mar 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Then requiring that others have SSH ports, PGP, OOo, etc. | Mar 30 22:29 |
| oiaohm | Simpler desktop management solutions will speed it up everywhere. | Mar 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I mostly ignore him now | Mar 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | He’s a time waster | Mar 30 22:29 |
| oiaohm | Its one thing MS did get fairly right. | Mar 30 22:30 |
| schestowitz | In the past 17 hours BN did almost 5 GB | Mar 30 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I’m not sure why it rose recently. The changes to layout see to have improved things | Mar 30 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Advertisers must be really crying. | Mar 30 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I also installed a plguin for meta and <title> rewrites | Mar 30 22:31 |
| oiaohm | That ammount of traffic and no ads. | Mar 30 22:31 |
| schestowitz | So we now get placed higher in search engines | Mar 30 22:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: there are ads, but they pay little | Mar 30 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Shane gets more than hosting costs | Mar 30 22:31 |
| schestowitz | But not much more | Mar 30 22:31 |
| schestowitz | And most people seem to have JS disabled, me included | Mar 30 22:32 |
| schestowitz | No ads for like 2/3 of the visitors | Mar 30 22:32 |
| MinceR | yay, now /. undoes moderation even if posting as AC | Mar 30 22:32 |
| MinceR | fucking piece of shit | Mar 30 22:32 |
| oiaohm | I have noscript enabled schestowitz | Mar 30 22:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Why would they do this | Mar 30 22:32 |
| oiaohm | And there are a lot of us with that too. | Mar 30 22:32 |
| MinceR | because they’re idiots | Mar 30 22:32 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it improves stability, speed, privacy, etc | Mar 30 22:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Maybe turfers | Mar 30 22:33 |
| MinceR | it specifically said “undoing moderation” | Mar 30 22:33 |
| MinceR | above the message that says it will be a while before the comment shows up | Mar 30 22:33 |
| MinceR | well fuck them, they can do their own moderation then. | Mar 30 22:34 |
| schestowitz | 54.3 % in BN use Firefox and 39.2 % GNU/Linux this month | Mar 30 22:36 |
| schestowitz | I have a post coming in April 1st | Mar 30 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Attack on Mono and Novell using humour | Mar 30 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Brace Yourself: DDoS Attacks Ahead < http://practical-tech.com/network/brac… >; 100% cure for Conficker < http://blogs.computerworld.com/10… > | Mar 30 22:39 |
| oiaohm | Some of that 39.2 percent would have been me | Mar 30 22:53 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: you around? I want to PM you something to look over | Mar 30 22:53 |
| *schestowitz looks | Mar 30 22:55 | |
| *oiaohm has quit (Remote closed the connection) | Mar 30 22:56 | |
| schestowitz | 21 minds remaining | Mar 30 22:56 |
| schestowitz | *mins | Mar 30 22:56 |
| Balrog_ | to download? | Mar 30 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. I’ll watch it half an hour/day | Mar 30 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Yes, to download | Mar 30 22:57 |
| Balrog_ | ok. I want a ‘review’ of this  |
Mar 30 22:57 |
| schestowitz | OK, no problem | Mar 30 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I can’t recall the name of that ogg sharing video site… | Mar 30 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Maybe ogg seas or something, but I can’t find it | Mar 30 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I think balzac wants to do some ogg streaming solution | Mar 30 22:59 |
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| Balrog_ | we can find a good server with a 1000 uplink | Mar 30 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Open Source will thrive in turbulent economy < http://www.ciol.com/Developer/Open-Sour… > | Mar 30 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Hey, tacone | Mar 30 23:00 |
| schestowitz | What’s up? | Mar 30 23:00 |
| Balrog_ | this one isn’t that fast. | Mar 30 23:00 |
| tacone | tomtom |
Mar 30 23:00 |
| tacone | tomtom :°°° | Mar 30 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: not cross-Atlatic maybe | Mar 30 23:01 |
| tacone | zomg, it even joined the OIN. | Mar 30 23:01 |
| schestowitz | *lantic | Mar 30 23:01 |
| schestowitz | OIN= useless | Mar 30 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Not surprising | Mar 30 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Patent orgy for patent lovers | Mar 30 23:01 |
| tacone | bad precedent | Mar 30 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is like the m afia don | Mar 30 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Like in Italy | Mar 30 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Going to mom and pop stores | Mar 30 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Just the small ones | Mar 30 23:02 |
| schestowitz | That are almost bankrupt | Mar 30 23:02 |
| schestowitz | If it enters the big factories, people might have machine guns | Mar 30 23:02 |
| MinceR | http://dl.ziza.ru/other/032… | Mar 30 23:02 |
| tessier | WTF? | Mar 30 23:02 |
| tessier | TomTom and MS settle?! | Mar 30 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 30 23:02 |
| MinceR | yes |
Mar 30 23:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what if the buyer loves it? | Mar 30 23:03 |
| MinceR | then he inserts objects there anyway | Mar 30 23:03 |
| schestowitz | There’s a pink Zune you know|? | Mar 30 23:04 |
| MinceR | can’t be much uglier than the brown one :> | Mar 30 23:04 |
| tacone | MinceR: that contrasts with the anti-theft ipod system. | Mar 30 23:04 |
| schestowitz | This chap takes his zune to the bathroom: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-con… | Mar 30 23:04 |
| MinceR | |
Mar 30 23:05 |
| MinceR | he’s scarred for life | Mar 30 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Haha! | Mar 30 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I know what you mean. When he’s forty his kids will ask, “what is Micro soft?” | Mar 30 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Well, he could reply, “it’s that patent racketeering company… like Sisvel” | Mar 30 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe BillG and Myhvtroll will announce a merger one day.. of ‘products’… inventories… ‘papers’ (invention) | Mar 30 23:08 |
| tessier | I’m tempted to ask “What does this settlement mean?” but I’m pretty sure the answer is that it means nothing aside from the fact that we won’t get to watch TomTom fight the good fight. | Mar 30 23:08 |
| schestowitz | SUN’s CommunityLAST? http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/… | Mar 30 23:09 |
| tacone | i suspect that is microsoft to actually pay tom tom. | Mar 30 23:09 |
| schestowitz | tessier: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/3… | Mar 30 23:10 |
| schestowitz | tacone: no, both ways | Mar 30 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Probably Tomtom to pay more | Mar 30 23:10 |
| schestowitz | They do it with other vendor but MS wins | Mar 30 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Because it makes Linux FUD | Mar 30 23:10 |
| tacone | wouldn’t a precedent on linux be useful for ms ? | Mar 30 23:10 |
| schestowitz | They don’t care as long as #1 competitor seems scary to companies like Motorola | Mar 30 23:10 |
| schestowitz | tacone: only if they win | Mar 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise it’s a massive fiasco | Mar 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | They could lose all (Bilski) | Mar 30 23:11 |
| tacone | so.. no winner here ? | Mar 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | But stupid IBM likes sw pats | Mar 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | So they won’t happen with their help | Mar 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | tacone: the winner is MS | Mar 30 23:11 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.the451group.com/opensource/… http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/ope… | Mar 30 23:12 |
| tacone | so it’s a dangerous precedent or not ? | Mar 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/162210/tomtom_t… http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/TomT… | Mar 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/20… http://ostatic.com/blog/tomtom-and-microso… | Mar 30 23:12 |
| tacone | that’s a gold mine for ms | Mar 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | “TomTom Surrenders, Pays Microsoft Licensing Fees For Linux” < http://www.businessinsider.com/tomtom-surrenders-p… > | Mar 30 23:12 |
| tacone | control over the fat on all embedded devices. | Mar 30 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Rackeeting control | Mar 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | *cketeer | Mar 30 23:13 |
| tacone | yeah, ms tax. | Mar 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Big dumb IBM probably will do nothing | Mar 30 23:13 |
| tacone | every good citizen pays ms tax | Mar 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Well, for productsa | Mar 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Not for shortening names as an ‘idea’ | Mar 30 23:13 |
| schestowitz | With prior art predating MS | Mar 30 23:13 |
| tacone | that lowers appeal for free software. | Mar 30 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Let’s w8 and see what the SFLC sez | Mar 30 23:14 |
| tacone | i am so put down i don’t even have the goodwill to blog the thing. | Mar 30 23:14 |
| schestowitz | it’s no big deal | Mar 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is dying | Mar 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | it’s evolving to be another SCO | Mar 30 23:22 |
| schestowitz | But it won’t save it | Mar 30 23:22 |
| MinceR | but who will be the microsoft to this sco? | Mar 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | That indicates degradation of their business | Mar 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | They’ve always had this up their sleeve | Mar 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | But they could steal sell vapourware and Windows.. for more than $5  |
Mar 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Business is dying for MS | Mar 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | FOSS, cloud… | Mar 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | So it started filing patents massively in 2007 | Mar 30 23:23 |
| tacone | it’s not about microsoft. it’s about its children (IV) | Mar 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Now it’s trying to get the cartel | Mar 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | going | Mar 30 23:23 |
| schestowitz | And…… | Mar 30 23:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.managingip.com/Art… | Mar 30 23:24 |
| schestowitz | It’s really just showing that they are doomed like Unisys | Mar 30 23:24 |
| schestowitz | And the staff exodus show you that MSFTers know this too | Mar 30 23:24 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.zdnet.com/perlow/?p=9594 | Mar 30 23:25 |
| schestowitz | “If this litigious behavior from Microsoft continues, I don’t see why consumer electronics manufacturers which use embedded Linux couldn’t just go and standardize their own flash memory filesystem equivalent to PNG. After all, there are other perfectly good file system formats that could be used to store data on SD cards and other flash devices, such as UBIFS and LogFS, which are even more efficient and more resilient at storin | Mar 30 23:25 |
| schestowitz | g data. UBIFS and LogFS also have the advantage of being journaled, whereas FAT32 is not.” | Mar 30 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Go spread the word, tacone . I notice that Susan at TM read and links to yiou | Mar 30 23:25 |
| tacone | who ? | Mar 30 23:26 |
| tacone | TM = ? | Mar 30 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Tusxmachines | Mar 30 23:26 |
| tacone | i try to track all my backlinks, but.. | Mar 30 23:26 |
| tacone | oh, yeah | Mar 30 23:26 |
| schestowitz | srlinuxxx | Mar 30 23:26 |
| tacone | yes, they link me sometime. | Mar 30 23:26 |
| schestowitz | *xx (not triple xx |
Mar 30 23:26 |
| tacone | problem is.. | Mar 30 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants to demoralise | Mar 30 23:27 |
| tacone | spread word in linux environment is not worth the cause. | Mar 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Like a dog barking | Mar 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Or a man going bankrupt by throwing one big party before he gets arrested | Mar 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Don’t give them a victory | Mar 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is in/going into debt | Mar 30 23:27 |
| tacone | what’s the filesystem used on SD cards ? | Mar 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | They just bark at people while laying off people and seeing the whole management jumping ship | Mar 30 23:27 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know about SD card patents | Mar 30 23:28 |
| tacone | the only victory would be have major producers of embedded devices kill the fat | Mar 30 23:28 |
| tacone | what tomtom plans to do to ? | Mar 30 23:29 |
| tacone | Specific financial terms of the settlement weren’t disclosed, but the news release says TomTom “will remove from its products the functionality related to two file management system patents.” | Mar 30 23:30 |
| MinceR | so will they pay m$ or will they not? | Mar 30 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: watching rms now | Mar 30 23:31 |
| schestowitz | “The new public licence.. ” |
Mar 30 23:33 |
| schestowitz | It annoyed RMS | Mar 30 23:33 |
| tacone | ? | Mar 30 23:33 |
| schestowitz | tacone: new talk from RMS | Mar 30 23:33 |
| tacone | EU license ? | Mar 30 23:33 |
| schestowitz | yuck | Mar 30 23:33 |
| schestowitz | EPLA? | Mar 30 23:33 |
| schestowitz | He drinks Pepsi, not Coke | Mar 30 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Because of the company’s crimes.. | Mar 30 23:33 |
| tacone | that can still be adjusted. | Mar 30 23:33 |
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| schestowitz | European ‘public’ licence you mean? | Mar 30 23:35 |
| schestowitz | They took the freedom out of it, IIRC | Mar 30 23:35 |
| tacone | is it bad ? i didn’t read it carefully enough to judge ? | Mar 30 23:36 |
| tacone | (remove the last question mark) | Mar 30 23:36 |
| schestowitz | It’s not too good | Mar 30 23:36 |
| schestowitz | RObertG seems to be happy with it | Mar 30 23:36 |
| schestowitz | But he’s no fan of GPL… and his attitude ain’t great | Mar 30 23:36 |
| schestowitz | OSI didn’t list the licence and he wasn’t happy | Mar 30 23:37 |
| *tacone got FUDed | Mar 30 23:43 | |
| schestowitz | So will USB makers change their FS? | Mar 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | They must | Mar 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise they serve as slaves of Microsoft | Mar 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Asking you to buy Microsoft software just to use a lousy USB pen | Mar 30 23:44 |
| tacone | what’s the news ? | Mar 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | And Windows should be forced by law to support more FSs | Mar 30 23:44 |
| tacone | oem vendors are already slaves of microsoft. | Mar 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | After doing a patent ambush | Mar 30 23:44 |
| schestowitz | The EU can criminalise it | Mar 30 23:44 |
| tacone | why should embedded producer being different ? | Mar 30 23:45 |
| tacone | EU can be infiltrated. | Mar 30 23:45 |
| tacone | ISO has been infiltrated | Mar 30 23:45 |
| tacone | ODF can be infiltrat.. ops. | Mar 30 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates: “They’ll get sort of addicted [to FAT?], and then we’ll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade. | Mar 30 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 30 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Well, open cloud snobbed them | Mar 30 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Rightly so | Mar 30 23:45 |
| schestowitz | So the criminal shouted out, “why not me too??” | Mar 30 23:46 |
| schestowitz | “You’re closed” | Mar 30 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft wants Ohhh-open | Mar 30 23:46 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: any good? | Mar 30 23:47 |
| PeterFA | Looks like TomTom settled and admitted they infringed on Microsoft patents using the Linux kernel… | Mar 30 23:47 |
| PeterFA | Welcome to phase two. | Mar 30 23:47 |
| Balrog_ | PeterFA: we don’t know anything outside of MS’s press release | Mar 30 23:47 |
| balzac | schestowitz: I was discussing Madoff and the SEC with a friend of mine recently | Mar 30 23:48 |
| PeterFA | balzac, why not? | Mar 30 23:48 |
| PeterFA | balzac, is this blog http://www.computerworlduk.com/toolbox/open… based on Microsoft’s press release? | Mar 30 23:48 |
| balzac | he suggested to me that FINRA was also culpable in enabling Madoff | Mar 30 23:48 |
| balzac | software patents are so lame | Mar 30 23:49 |
| balzac | The software patent public collectives were a costly compromise | Mar 30 23:49 |
| balzac | the M$/Novell exclusive patent covenant stinks | Mar 30 23:50 |
| balzac | Redhat’s collective indemnification approach was less terrible, but why should any software patents at all be considered acceptable? | Mar 30 23:51 |
| balzac | it’s all just idiocy | Mar 30 23:51 |
| balzac | the answer is probably just good old-fashioned civil-disobedience | Mar 30 23:51 |
| balzac | ignore software patents, or deliberately infringe on the claimants most cherished patents | Mar 30 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, I paused it. Will watch it over the next couple of days. RMS was too crabby. | Mar 30 23:52 |
| balzac | someone forgot to change his diaper | Mar 30 23:53 |
| balzac | jk | Mar 30 23:53 |
| Balrog_ | heh | Mar 30 23:53 |
| Balrog_ | he loosened up by the end, I think | Mar 30 23:53 |
| Balrog_ | at least afterward  |
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| balzac | that was a pretty terrible little joke | Mar 30 23:54 |
| balzac | tomtom should not be used | Mar 30 23:56 |
| balzac | they made the wrong choice by settling with M$ | Mar 30 23:57 |
| Balrog_ | balzac: until we find more about this deal, we don’t know what’s going | Mar 30 23:57 |
| Balrog_ | on | Mar 30 23:57 |
| Balrog_ | Remember, this is an MS press release | Mar 30 23:57 |
| balzac | well, the fact that tom tom and MS are having secret correspondence we have yet to find out about tells you all you need to know | Mar 30 23:57 |
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| Balrog_ | balzac: you think that’s not how patent law works? | Mar 30 23:58 |
| balzac | Balrog_: what does patent law have to do with software? | Mar 30 23:58 |
| balzac | nothing, right? | Mar 30 23:58 |
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| Balrog_ | the argument (ms vs. tom-tom) is over patents | Mar 30 23:58 |
| Balrog_ | hmm, I haven’t seen ScuttleMonkey on slashdot before… | Mar 30 23:59 |
| balzac | I’d say everyone who is going on about software patents are like people speculating on minor-league baseball trading cards | Mar 30 23:59 |
| balzac | they’re worth s___ | Mar 30 23:59 |
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