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Jan 18 00:00 |
| PeterKraus |
yeah, joinflood |
Jan 18 00:01 |
| schestowitz |
Nothing was missed |
Jan 18 00:02 |
| PeterKraus |
i know |
Jan 18 00:02 |
| PeterKraus |
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Jan 18 00:15 |
| MinceR |
http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=… |
Jan 18 00:31 |
| MinceR |
so much about fucking obama |
Jan 18 00:31 |
| MinceR |
change my ass |
Jan 18 00:31 |
| schestowitz |
Change to Windows |
Jan 18 00:33 |
| MinceR |
can we take the remaining shreds of your freedom away? |
Jan 18 00:39 |
| MinceR |
Yes We Can! |
Jan 18 00:39 |
| schestowitz |
It’s not cross-platform and _it was never intended to be_. Obama is becoming just a PR clown to Microsoft… maybe that’s the response to the “Get the Mac” ads… president saying “Get Silver Lie and Windows”. Remember Zunebama? |
Jan 18 00:39 |
| MinceR |
yes |
Jan 18 00:40 |
| MinceR |
perhaps he’ll be a PR clown to both microsofts |
Jan 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz |
Free systems = no access to government anymore |
Jan 18 00:40 |
| MinceR |
they can both pay him… until they run out of money |
Jan 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz |
It’s also a repeated offense (I wrote about this yesterday in BN) |
Jan 18 00:40 |
| MinceR |
apparently this is the new american dream |
Jan 18 00:40 |
| schestowitz |
It’s not as though they didn’t know. There was a storm on the Web (Mac users too) when the Democrat convention was almost Windows-only. |
Jan 18 00:41 |
| MinceR |
there’s a shocker |
Jan 18 00:41 |
| schestowitz |
So expect more of the “Same” (or Shame) in the future. The Change(R) was from standards to XAML |
Jan 18 00:41 |
| schestowitz |
Here’s the think. I supported Obama (or Nader really. Now he’s elected to serve the corporcracy, so based on _his deeds alone_, I don’t mind criticising. After all, he’d be president for 4 years regardless of what one writes |
Jan 18 00:43 |
| MinceR |
well, i didn’t expect much better from him than from W |
Jan 18 00:46 |
| MinceR |
or from McCain |
Jan 18 00:46 |
| MinceR |
but this surprises me |
Jan 18 00:46 |
| schestowitz |
McBush? |
Jan 18 00:46 |
| MinceR |
yes |
Jan 18 00:46 |
| schestowitz |
Very few people manage to live the AmericanDream(TM), but those who do (and everyone is tamed to work two jobs to get there) find out that they are deep in debt or corruption that can’t be compensated for. |
Jan 18 00:46 |
| MinceR |
but at least there’s a lesser chance that he’ll come bomb Hungary |
Jan 18 00:46 |
| MinceR |
(after getting some help from academics to find it on the map) |
Jan 18 00:46 |
| schestowitz |
I’m tempted to do a GIMP |
Jan 18 00:46 |
| MinceR |
i just hope that SweatyB and the gang won’t convince him to bomb countries that refuse to “standardize” on m$ crap |
Jan 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll get around to it in a moment.. putting my mental image ‘in print’ so to speak. |
Jan 18 00:47 |
| schestowitz |
First they can sack |
Jan 18 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
Or bomb unless you hard over suspects |
Jan 18 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
They did this in Afghanistan… boom, bang, kaboom until you hand over this list of people (Without any evidence supplied) |
Jan 18 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
Many years ago they did the same thing in central America |
Jan 18 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
Noreaga (spelling wrong) had hundreds of innocent people for the capturing by the US. |
Jan 18 00:49 |
| schestowitz |
Worm Attack Continues http://www.pcworld.com/article/1579… |
Jan 18 00:52 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* http://henryjenkins.org/obama%20spock%202.jpg |
Jan 18 00:54 |
| MinceR |
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Jan 18 00:55 |
| MinceR |
that’s a disgrace to vulcans |
Jan 18 00:56 |
| MinceR |
gn |
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Jan 18 01:25 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR: this one addresses that issue: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/… |
Jan 18 01:34 |
| schestowitz |
Eric Lai is spinning Microsoft layoffs now, just like many other Microsoft defenders. |
Jan 18 01:35 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft Ordered to Delete Browser < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/technolog… > |
Jan 18 01:37 |
| *schestowitz wonder what tessier thinks of river landing. |
Jan 18 02:42 |
| tessier |
River landing? |
Jan 18 02:42 |
| schestowitz |
NY |
Jan 18 02:43 |
| tessier |
The plane that crashed in the Hudson river? |
Jan 18 02:43 |
| schestowitz |
Crashed? |
Jan 18 02:43 |
| tessier |
It seems like everything went as it should. Glad they all made it out. |
Jan 18 02:43 |
| tessier |
Well, landed, crash landed, whatever you at tocali . |
Jan 18 02:43 |
| tessier |
to call it |
Jan 18 02:43 |
| schestowitz |
Will they float the plane? |
Jan 18 02:44 |
| tessier |
Yes. In fact it is still floating. |
Jan 18 02:44 |
| tessier |
It never went all the way to the bottom. |
Jan 18 02:44 |
| tessier |
It floated down the river and has come to rest against a pier. |
Jan 18 02:44 |
| schestowitz |
Cool. |
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Jan 18 02:51 |
| dsmith_ |
was the plane running Windoze? |
Jan 18 04:47 |
| dsmith_ |
selling the Internet Explorer browser…..ummmmm I dont remember them selling IE |
Jan 18 04:50 |
| dsmith_ |
hehe |
Jan 18 04:50 |
| dsmith_ |
bundling, or shall I say bumbling sure |
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Jan 18 08:43 |
| PetoKraus |
yeah well, off to ɛdɪnbrə |
Jan 18 08:59 |
| PetoKraus |
see you later |
Jan 18 08:59 |
| schestowitz |
Bra? |
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Jan 18 09:06 |
| PetoKraus |
that’s IPA |
Jan 18 09:08 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/email_sum… |
Jan 18 09:30 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.prwatch.org/node/8142 “ |
Jan 18 09:32 |
| schestowitz |
The Chinese government has pledged 45 billion yuan (nearly $6.6 billion) for media that target foreign audiences, “in an aggressive global drive to improve the country’s image internationally.” The Xinhua News Agency wants to use the funding to “expand its overseas bureaus from about 100 to 186,” nearly enough to have a bureau in every country. “ |
Jan 18 09:32 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.p… “ |
Jan 18 09:35 |
| schestowitz |
Given Microsoft’s past history of bribes and payoffs the only question now is: Have they yet to secretly bribed an Indian Education official to go with the “free” version of Windows, and then buy enough copies of Office and other Microsoft applications, ensuring data lock-in, so that Microsoft ends up making MORE than they “lost” giving away their OS?” |
Jan 18 09:35 |
| schestowitz |
What an arsehole spinner: “THANK GOD the One Laptop Per Child Foundation is in financial trouble (“Fund loss staggers group giving laptops to poor children,” Page A1, Jan. 9). Aside from the arrogant colonialism implicit in a bunch of MIT hotshots telling dirt-poor Third World people how to educate their children, the whole idea is just silly.” http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/edi… |
Jan 18 09:37 |
| schestowitz |
for_the_poor/ |
Jan 18 09:37 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editoria… |
Jan 18 09:37 |
| PetoKraus |
the article is quite good thoung |
Jan 18 09:52 |
| PetoKraus |
*gh |
Jan 18 09:52 |
| PetoKraus |
it has a point |
Jan 18 09:52 |
| PetoKraus |
right |
Jan 18 09:54 |
| PetoKraus |
see you |
Jan 18 09:54 |
| tessier |
http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/17/belki… |
Jan 18 10:02 |
| tessier |
Could MS do something similar to inspire trolls and shills and anti-Linux rants? |
Jan 18 10:02 |
| schestowitz |
ORLY distracts FOSS people again… http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/01/14/th… |
Jan 18 10:03 |
| schestowitz |
tessier: MS does do that… sending people to shill. |
Jan 18 10:04 |
| schestowitz |
They break EU laws. |
Jan 18 10:05 |
| tessier |
Yes but this is doing it in a clever way. |
Jan 18 10:05 |
| tessier |
And paying them directly for their efforts. |
Jan 18 10:05 |
| tessier |
“When your best friend is Larry Ellison you know you are in trouble. ” – Cringley |
Jan 18 10:28 |
| tessier |
Hah |
Jan 18 10:28 |
| schestowitz |
He ought to have been arrested |
Jan 18 10:32 |
| schestowitz |
Aviations regulations being just the tip of the iceberg |
Jan 18 10:33 |
| schestowitz |
Oh god… moles… “I get this from two articles that I read. The first one is Windows 7, Linux Battle for Netbook Supremacy from pcworld and the second is Windows 7 on Netbooks: Does Linux Stand a Chance? which appears to be the original article on CIO. ” http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/locut… |
Jan 18 10:35 |
| schestowitz |
What he doesn’t tell you is that these articles are written and published by Microsoft moles in IDC-owned publications. It’s propaganda. |
Jan 18 10:36 |
| tessier |
Who? What about aviation regulations? |
Jan 18 10:37 |
| schestowitz |
He flew under a bridge… these people think the laws don’t apply to them. |
Jan 18 10:37 |
| tessier |
I’m not sure that flying under a bridge is a violation of the FAR’s. |
Jan 18 10:38 |
| schestowitz |
He said it is |
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Jan 18 10:42 |
| tessier |
Helicopters routinely fly under it. |
Jan 18 10:44 |
| schestowitz |
Amazing! Now IDG lets Microsoft EMPLOYEES write articles. |
Jan 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz |
“Can Mozilla Prove Firefox Is the Most Secure Browser? — Jeff Jones, CIO.com” |
Jan 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz |
Jeff Jones: Microsoft employee and liar |
Jan 18 10:45 |
| schestowitz |
Some Fanboys Don’t Like Windows 7 Either < http://www.lockergnome.com/theoracle/2009/01/… > |
Jan 18 10:48 |
| schestowitz |
tessier: helicopters don’t move at ultrasonic speeds. |
Jan 18 10:49 |
| schestowitz |
Not that small planed do so, either. |
Jan 18 10:49 |
| tessier |
Yeah. I’m pretty sure someone would have noticed and thoroughly complained about an ultrasonic shockwave being generated at very low altitude over San Francisco. Once they assessed the damage the injured were cared for, of course. |
Jan 18 10:50 |
| schestowitz |
Eee phones coming, but it doesn’t say which platform… C.E.S. Interview: ASUSTek’s Jonney Shih on Computer Displays < http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01… > |
Jan 18 10:51 |
| schestowitz |
I’m gonna have to expose the IDC shills today….. I’m just tired of seeing all the Microsoft anti-Linux rhetoric coming from IDG. |
Jan 18 10:53 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/15/pu… “Yes, Ubuntu 9.04 may very well boot in 21.4 seconds, but my system – running x86-64 Cooker with no tweaks – boots, according to bootchart, in 16. (I’d post the chart but there seems to be a bug in bootchart in Cooker which prevents it shutting down once gdm is up, so the chart goes on until I manually kill bootchartd, so it doesn’t look very clean).” |
Jan 18 10:55 |
| MinceR |
geekings |
Jan 18 10:55 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR: here is the mental image I had (without the strings though because I gave up on them) ttp://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/17/politics-of-software/ |
Jan 18 10:56 |
| MinceR |
|
Jan 18 10:56 |
| schestowitz |
Oops http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/… |
Jan 18 10:56 |
| schestowitz |
Here is some more BS in response to Microsoft’s FUD/slog: http://superphysics.awardspace.com/2009/… |
Jan 18 10:58 |
| schestowitz |
http://codingexperiments.com/suggested-tips-… “It is absolutely necessary to tone this side of the Linux community down. Users new to Linux feel like that they are in an alien world in which it is dangerous to navigate, and fearing getting flamed from angry Linux users is simply just going to drive them back towards Windows.” |
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Jan 18 11:36 |
| Ziggy |
schestowitz: hey |
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Jan 18 12:28 |
| seller_liar |
I was thinking…. |
Jan 18 12:29 |
| seller_liar |
the big problem of capitalism is the lack of control |
Jan 18 12:31 |
| schestowitz |
Hi |
Jan 18 12:33 |
| schestowitz |
What type of control? |
Jan 18 12:33 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Lack of control of system production |
Jan 18 12:34 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: for example |
Jan 18 12:34 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: the property owner does not worry about ethics ,and then ,he tris to destroy |
Jan 18 12:35 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: the society for more production |
Jan 18 12:35 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: technology is a good example |
Jan 18 12:35 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: technology only serves elite interests , |
Jan 18 12:36 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: this excessive obssession for more and more production |
Jan 18 12:36 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: produces more and more new technology ,but |
Jan 18 12:36 |
| seller_liar |
this tecnology destroy all social system |
Jan 18 12:36 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: The second big problem is … |
Jan 18 12:37 |
| *Casperin_ is now known as Casperin |
Jan 18 12:37 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: People targets governments , but the govt does not control production system |
Jan 18 12:37 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: after neoliberalism era ,people must target companies |
Jan 18 12:37 |
| Casperin |
if the capitalistic system was working properly, and people were rational, they would not buy products from these companies, so they would go out of production |
Jan 18 12:38 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: yes, it’s a way to boycott a company |
Jan 18 12:38 |
| Casperin |
out of business* |
Jan 18 12:38 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: people must target companies |
Jan 18 12:38 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: companies are the new governement |
Jan 18 12:39 |
| Casperin |
… but they don’t. And they aren’t rational. I agree with you.. |
Jan 18 12:39 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: Companies controls the production system |
Jan 18 12:39 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: then |
Jan 18 12:39 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: the govt is dependant of production system |
Jan 18 12:39 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: Then |
Jan 18 12:39 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: Companies controls the govt |
Jan 18 12:39 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: Companies can high prices of health ,education and all other things |
Jan 18 12:40 |
| Casperin |
It depends on the type of capitalism I suppose |
Jan 18 12:40 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin:After the neoliiberal era , is going ever worst |
Jan 18 12:40 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: All production system ,even health and education ,is controlled by companmies |
Jan 18 12:41 |
| Casperin |
I am not a capitalist, but I think we have seen far worse things happen in for instance Soviet Russia |
Jan 18 12:41 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: I’ don t like socialism |
Jan 18 12:41 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: Capiltalis is not wrong by nature |
Jan 18 12:42 |
| Casperin |
nothing is… it’s all part of nature.. it’s happening, isn’t it?  |
Jan 18 12:42 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: The real problem is , people targets governments , but |
Jan 18 12:42 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: the governments does not control the production system |
Jan 18 12:43 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: Companies controls health prices ,education prices and so on |
Jan 18 12:43 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: And remember ,companies always desire more and more profit |
Jan 18 12:44 |
| Casperin |
people targets governments, because their only means for targeting a company is boycotting it.. and that can be a huge loss for very little (or no) gain |
Jan 18 12:44 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: And then , the taxes will always to be high |
Jan 18 12:44 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: No! |
Jan 18 12:44 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: If people boycott windows and all other m$ crap , m$ can be destroyed |
Jan 18 12:45 |
| Casperin |
I meant on an individual level |
Jan 18 12:45 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: The big problem is companies are very BIG , and takes some time to destroy |
Jan 18 12:45 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: Ethics is not individualism |
Jan 18 12:46 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: yes, that’s an issue (system production) |
Jan 18 12:46 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: There are other ways to convince people |
Jan 18 12:46 |
| Casperin |
it can be… ever read Ayn Rand? |
Jan 18 12:46 |
| seller_liar |
Casperin: No, why? |
Jan 18 12:47 |
| Casperin |
he just argues for a very self-interested for of ethics. Not too important for this.. just a side note to your comment |
Jan 18 12:47 |
| Casperin |
she* |
Jan 18 12:47 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: this is not capitalism, either |
Jan 18 12:48 |
| schestowitz |
It’s something esle. |
Jan 18 12:48 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But is the actual system |
Jan 18 12:48 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: and people thinks this “is ” capitalism |
Jan 18 12:49 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Monopolies , and homogenity is anti-capítalism |
Jan 18 12:49 |
| schestowitz |
Well, they are sold so |
Jan 18 12:49 |
| schestowitz |
People are also taught that theyh can influence politics by tossing a ballot once in 4 years |
Jan 18 12:49 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Governments is the small part of system |
Jan 18 12:50 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Little or nothig will change if people live the same way of life |
Jan 18 12:50 |
| schestowitz |
Of course they don’t actually control who is up ‘for sale’, who gets advertised the most and how people are manipulated by PR campaigns (campaign managers and all) |
Jan 18 12:50 |
| schestowitz |
So in most countries democracy is a fallacy, an illusion. And that’s just conventional thinking. |
Jan 18 12:50 |
| schestowitz |
As for capitalism, that’s more complex. |
Jan 18 12:51 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: No roy , democracy is beautiful |
Jan 18 12:51 |
| schestowitz |
But wait… you can’t treat companies and government as though they are separate. |
Jan 18 12:51 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: the big problem is people only targets governments |
Jan 18 12:51 |
| schestowitz |
Well, take Dick Cheney for example.. from corporations to government |
Jan 18 12:51 |
| schestowitz |
Deborah Majoras… from FTC to P&G |
Jan 18 12:52 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But , it’s not normal |
Jan 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz |
The government is itself just like a small companies… with partners and all. |
Jan 18 12:52 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: This is a deprecated state of democracy |
Jan 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz |
I talk mostly about the US here.. |
Jan 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz |
The UK is not quite as bad yet |
Jan 18 12:52 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: A true democracy uses people and society interests |
Jan 18 12:52 |
| schestowitz |
Elite people |
Jan 18 12:53 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: not companies interests |
Jan 18 12:53 |
| schestowitz |
Not people. |
Jan 18 12:53 |
| schestowitz |
There are exceptions |
Jan 18 12:53 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: but this not fault of democracy |
Jan 18 12:53 |
| schestowitz |
Which democracy? |
Jan 18 12:53 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: This is fault of people |
Jan 18 12:53 |
| schestowitz |
You speak as though democracy failed… |
Jan 18 12:53 |
| schestowitz |
But there was never *a* democracy |
Jan 18 12:53 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: No |
Jan 18 12:54 |
| schestowitz |
It’s a euphemism. |
Jan 18 12:54 |
| schestowitz |
It’s like “Americanism” |
Jan 18 12:54 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: The actual state of democracy is destroyed and deprecated |
Jan 18 12:54 |
| schestowitz |
Until it collapses and reformed |
Jan 18 12:54 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: because people does not worry about companies |
Jan 18 12:54 |
| schestowitz |
it happened after the Great Depression I think. |
Jan 18 12:55 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: And then ., companies have free pass to destroy everything |
Jan 18 12:55 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: because people does do nothing about |
Jan 18 12:55 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: people only attacks the government over and over again |
Jan 18 12:56 |
| schestowitz |
That’s the danger |
Jan 18 12:56 |
| schestowitz |
Realised over 100 years ago |
Jan 18 12:56 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: people must attack companies ,because the companies controls the governm,ente |
Jan 18 12:56 |
| schestowitz |
Companies are given carte blanche to trash rights. |
Jan 18 12:56 |
| schestowitz |
But there was no mechanism other than antitrust to prevent this |
Jan 18 12:56 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: because people does not do nothing |
Jan 18 12:57 |
| schestowitz |
Another form of rights erosion comes from government with choruses like “War on terrorism” |
Jan 18 12:57 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: people only thinks in ipod, itunes, sex and drugs |
Jan 18 12:57 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: For me it’s is only blood for oil |
Jan 18 12:57 |
| schestowitz |
They actually have the population terrified enough by chanting this that most people don’t mind losing everything. |
Jan 18 12:57 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: again company interests |
Jan 18 12:57 |
| schestowitz |
Yes. |
Jan 18 12:58 |
| schestowitz |
But that’s politics anyway |
Jan 18 12:58 |
| schestowitz |
Nothing new here. |
Jan 18 12:58 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: people must attack companies ,because companies controls the sproduction and all system |
Jan 18 12:58 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Obama is only a marionete |
Jan 18 12:59 |
| seller_liar |
seller_liar:but , the is … |
Jan 18 12:59 |
| schestowitz |
I know |
Jan 18 12:59 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: but the actual problem is |
Jan 18 13:00 |
| schestowitz |
I’d put strings in the picture if I found something |
Jan 18 13:00 |
| schestowitz |
Go to Google Images and search for “strings” |
Jan 18 13:00 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: the capitalism does not have limits |
Jan 18 13:00 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Destroy all the society for better production |
Jan 18 13:00 |
| seller_liar |
seller_liar: Companies always to be the only one in the universe |
Jan 18 13:01 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Companies always toi be the only one in the universe |
Jan 18 13:01 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Like intel |
Jan 18 13:01 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: “We have conquered processors” |
Jan 18 13:01 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: “I need more” |
Jan 18 13:01 |
| schestowitz |
The issue is different |
Jan 18 13:01 |
| schestowitz |
It assumes the world has infinite capacity |
Jan 18 13:01 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: “We are conquering vgas” |
Jan 18 13:01 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: No , that’s not the point |
Jan 18 13:02 |
| schestowitz |
This means that endless pursuit for goals (shareholder) ruins the planet and leads to wars |
Jan 18 13:02 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: The point is the eternal desire to conquer everything |
Jan 18 13:02 |
| schestowitz |
Wars can be: 1) for control of resource (e.g. Iraq); or 2) attacks from those who are exploited for their resources |
Jan 18 13:02 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Companies does not stop the growing of production system |
Jan 18 13:02 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, but that’s a natural desire to homo sapients. |
Jan 18 13:03 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: More or less |
Jan 18 13:03 |
| schestowitz |
The question is, can you impose limits internationally? |
Jan 18 13:03 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Homo sapiens likes power ,But |
Jan 18 13:03 |
| schestowitz |
Hubris is a sin and greed like this should be too. |
Jan 18 13:04 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: when the power Grows too much , the power destroys the humasn |
Jan 18 13:04 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Ethics destroy power |
Jan 18 13:04 |
| schestowitz |
/Any/ power can destory |
Jan 18 13:04 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: This is the only way |
Jan 18 13:04 |
| schestowitz |
In many cases, it leads to genocide too |
Jan 18 13:04 |
| schestowitz |
There are examples from central and south America too |
Jan 18 13:04 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But this not only genocides |
Jan 18 13:04 |
| schestowitz |
Invasions for control of governments (and resources) |
Jan 18 13:05 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: For example , technology is power |
Jan 18 13:05 |
| schestowitz |
Yes. |
Jan 18 13:05 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: technology destroy people , enslaves them in addiction (ipod) |
Jan 18 13:06 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Technology creates needs |
Jan 18 13:06 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: the only way to save the society is stop ” the eternal desire to conquer everything |
Jan 18 13:08 |
| schestowitz |
So what do you suggest? |
Jan 18 13:08 |
| schestowitz |
The FSF already exists. |
Jan 18 13:08 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: We dont need to search for more and more technology |
Jan 18 13:08 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: The actual technology is good |
Jan 18 13:10 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: And a little people uses actual tecnology |
Jan 18 13:10 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: 30% of world does not use technologies |
Jan 18 13:10 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: The actual tecnology only serves big corporations |
Jan 18 13:10 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: There’s no need to more new tecnology ,because it will destroy even more the society |
Jan 18 13:10 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: 2 |
Jan 18 13:10 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: People must stop to attack only the govt and attacks companies |
Jan 18 13:11 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: you for example ,you are doing a good work in BN |
Jan 18 13:11 |
| schestowitz |
Thanks. |
Jan 18 13:11 |
| schestowitz |
Patents too are an issue |
Jan 18 13:11 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But we need , Boycott intel , Boycott Mcdonalds, BoycottNike |
Jan 18 13:11 |
| schestowitz |
Created for companies by lobbies |
Jan 18 13:11 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: who would do that? |
Jan 18 13:12 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: I don know ,but is very important to do this |
Jan 18 13:12 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: If no one do this , the society is condemned to doom |
Jan 18 13:12 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Look , only 1% of people thinks about ethics |
Jan 18 13:13 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: This is very sad |
Jan 18 13:13 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz:people must use 10% of free time to think about ethics |
Jan 18 13:13 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: people only thinks in more and more money withou practical value |
Jan 18 13:14 |
| schestowitz |
They are taught this |
Jan 18 13:14 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: sex, drugs , and technology |
Jan 18 13:14 |
| schestowitz |
Also, confinement of work(ing conditions) don’t permit this |
Jan 18 13:14 |
| schestowitz |
People are spoon-fed ideas rather than given facilities to learn for themselves. |
Jan 18 13:15 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Someone needs to break the circle , like BN does |
Jan 18 13:15 |
| schestowitz |
cycle? |
Jan 18 13:15 |
| schestowitz |
Or circle (works too) |
Jan 18 13:15 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: yes ,sorry ,cycle |
Jan 18 13:15 |
| schestowitz |
We need more people |
Jan 18 13:15 |
| schestowitz |
I already have some people who help here in IRC, in the wiki, etc. |
Jan 18 13:16 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: I was thinking in make a site ,like boycottplanet |
Jan 18 13:16 |
| schestowitz |
You could write articles too, I’d proofread. |
Jan 18 13:16 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But I have little time and exp |
Jan 18 13:16 |
| schestowitz |
That’s like giving up, no? |
Jan 18 13:16 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: What? |
Jan 18 13:17 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: ah ,yes,sometimes is very hard to maintain sites |
Jan 18 13:17 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: 3 |
Jan 18 13:18 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: People must live a new era |
Jan 18 13:18 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: The era of arts ,not of the power |
Jan 18 13:18 |
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Jan 18 13:18 |
| schestowitz |
Culture maybe, not arts |
Jan 18 13:19 |
| schestowitz |
Or “society”, I don’t know. These views are expressed outside technology too. |
Jan 18 13:19 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: People only wants more power , more better system ,more efficcient |
Jan 18 13:19 |
| schestowitz |
Society means no “power” though, so it’s an uphill battle. |
Jan 18 13:19 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: people must stop the will of power |
Jan 18 13:20 |
| schestowitz |
The system is built to repel this |
Jan 18 13:20 |
| schestowitz |
here’s how it goes |
Jan 18 13:20 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: People must live the life |
Jan 18 13:20 |
| schestowitz |
Since a very young age people are taught they would be rewarded for obedience. |
Jan 18 13:20 |
| schestowitz |
Those who deviate are punished via peers |
Jan 18 13:20 |
| schestowitz |
On television, it is possible to educate people such that they harass peer who do not ‘conform’ so to speak |
Jan 18 13:21 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: not quite |
Jan 18 13:21 |
| schestowitz |
The thing is, people think they /do/ live life |
Jan 18 13:21 |
| schestowitz |
Because they are taught that life is taking a place to other exotic places like Hawaii and dining in restaurants (wage slavery) |
Jan 18 13:22 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: this is luxury , influenced by companies |
Jan 18 13:22 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: people must live the a simple life |
Jan 18 13:22 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: natural food , good water, good health |
Jan 18 13:23 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: but people only thinks in a better car , better house and erverthing in universe |
Jan 18 13:23 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: 4 problem , |
Jan 18 13:24 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: companies tries to create needs , forcing people to use the tecnology |
Jan 18 13:25 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Like m$ does , using “open” formats |
Jan 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t even feel comfortable nining at restaurant, TBH |
Jan 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz |
But people have ways to beautify these acts |
Jan 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz |
“We’re giving them a job” |
Jan 18 13:25 |
| schestowitz |
“They are happy to do it” |
Jan 18 13:26 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Did you know ? |
Jan 18 13:26 |
| schestowitz |
“Without making Nike shoes, there people in Vietnam would hunger”.. etc etc |
Jan 18 13:26 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: I was VERY happy to m$ layoffs |
Jan 18 13:26 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: This lessron serves to people find another ethical jobs |
Jan 18 13:26 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Because , all is unethical ,will die |
Jan 18 13:27 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, same here. |
Jan 18 13:27 |
| schestowitz |
However… |
Jan 18 13:27 |
| schestowitz |
My guess is that fewer people will work in IT… |
Jan 18 13:27 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: M$ in time ,has build a sand castle using uniethical tatics,and people do nothing |
Jan 18 13:27 |
| schestowitz |
This means they might end up gardening or something |
Jan 18 13:27 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But must learn the importance of ethics |
Jan 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz |
Noneheless: fewer people can /still/ impose DRM |
Jan 18 13:28 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: All the actual system has build in a sand castle |
Jan 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz |
The point being, you don’t truly resolves the issue, just the number of people involve it making it happen (workforce) |
Jan 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: I’m copying the text by hand of MS dirty tactics ATM |
Jan 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz |
Regarding .NET/Mono |
Jan 18 13:28 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll post it soon. |
Jan 18 13:28 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But all the people which have lose the job ,will learn the importance of ethics now |
Jan 18 13:29 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: If people don lose the job , they will never learn the importance of ethics |
Jan 18 13:29 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Like , the fish history |
Jan 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz |
I know. |
Jan 18 13:30 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: This is very sad, but people learn fast when suffer |
Jan 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz |
No more AmericanDream(R) |
Jan 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz |
No more maxing up 5 credit cards, either |
Jan 18 13:30 |
| schestowitz |
But other countries suffer too… cascading effect |
Jan 18 13:31 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Sometimes people must suffer to learn ethics |
Jan 18 13:31 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Or die |
Jan 18 13:31 |
| schestowitz |
And the grip tightens on those who can be abused. |
Jan 18 13:31 |
| schestowitz |
I speak to people.. |
Jan 18 13:31 |
| schestowitz |
Many lost half their wealth of more |
Jan 18 13:31 |
| schestowitz |
So they must teach themselves about unimportance of money. |
Jan 18 13:31 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz:Yes, this is consequence of power |
Jan 18 13:32 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: If people have a lot of power ,they lot the knowledge and ethics |
Jan 18 13:33 |
| seller_liar |
lost |
Jan 18 13:33 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: “Oh , I don need to save money ! ” I have a lot money |
Jan 18 13:33 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But with the actual crisis , the people will learn about ethics and knowlegde[ |
Jan 18 13:33 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Jan 18 13:34 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Power destroys the human nature and ethics too |
Jan 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz |
But how long before the minds align wrt developing world? |
Jan 18 13:34 |
| *Casperin has quit (Remote closed the connection) |
Jan 18 13:34 |
| schestowitz |
*me Just editing “<b>Sent</b>: Saturday, October 26, 2001 11:17 PM” |
Jan 18 13:35 |
| schestowitz |
Look at Microsofters staying up all night to squash competition for $$$$ |
Jan 18 13:35 |
| schestowitz |
11:17 PM |
Jan 18 13:35 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: I don know ,but we need to learn ethics for people and ignore the power |
Jan 18 13:35 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Big companies are a disease of world |
Jan 18 13:36 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: The only interest is power and more power |
Jan 18 13:36 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Remember opensource focuses in power |
Jan 18 13:37 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: free software focuses in ethics |
Jan 18 13:37 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: We don t need more power |
Jan 18 13:38 |
| schestowitz |
I know. |
Jan 18 13:38 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: All these power in our world is destroying us |
Jan 18 13:38 |
| schestowitz |
Open source is a marketing routine |
Jan 18 13:38 |
| schestowitz |
Free software was born to decentralise control. |
Jan 18 13:38 |
| schestowitz |
Watch OLPC… |
Jan 18 13:38 |
| schestowitz |
Intel couldn’t let developing countries be educated. |
Jan 18 13:39 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: And puts ethics in central point |
Jan 18 13:39 |
| schestowitz |
Unless they buy Intel ($$$) |
Jan 18 13:39 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: People must stop to buy intel |
Jan 18 13:39 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Americans likes intel |
Jan 18 13:39 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: We must force americans to stop to buy intel |
Jan 18 13:40 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: How ? |
Jan 18 13:40 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: I don t know |
Jan 18 13:40 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But we can not kill americans |
Jan 18 13:40 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But we must “force ” them to stop |
Jan 18 13:41 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: reverse m$ tactic |
Jan 18 13:41 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: For example, we can put more taxes on american products |
Jan 18 13:42 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: We can create a boycottIntel to inform people |
Jan 18 13:42 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: We can create more optimized software for amd products |
Jan 18 13:42 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: We can explain for people about the bad effects of homogeneous soiciety |
Jan 18 13:43 |
| schestowitz |
Americans like Intel? |
Jan 18 13:43 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe that’s because they are told what to think. |
Jan 18 13:43 |
| schestowitz |
There is a famous joke that goes like… |
Jan 18 13:43 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Sorry , I don know, but is a example |
Jan 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz |
“Do the Arabs not like American because America has McDonalds?” |
Jan 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz |
Of course not. |
Jan 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz |
It’s because the US is looting other countries and people are not dumb enough not to see it. |
Jan 18 13:44 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Yes |
Jan 18 13:44 |
| schestowitz |
But it’s easier to accuse them of jealousy, of rabid hatred, religious reasons and so on and so forth |
Jan 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz |
Don’t support AMD, either. |
Jan 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz |
Like you can’t replace MS with Appler. |
Jan 18 13:45 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: If cannot stop a company ,we can force it using inderect ways |
Jan 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz |
*Apple |
Jan 18 13:45 |
| schestowitz |
Novell suffers a lot because of BN |
Jan 18 13:46 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: I know ,but buy amd for controlling the system |
Jan 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz |
Go to Google for example |
Jan 18 13:46 |
| schestowitz |
Search for “Novell moonlight” for example |
Jan 18 13:46 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: AMD is not a good thing, but is the only one capable to control intel |
Jan 18 13:46 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: And mcdonalds salary is very low |
Jan 18 13:47 |
| schestowitz |
What is WMT? |
Jan 18 13:47 |
| schestowitz |
Windows Media T*****? |
Jan 18 13:47 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: What? |
Jan 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz |
McDonalds would benefit from trade agreements and globalisation |
Jan 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz |
Now with the Depression, they can lower the wages some more.. like Nike in Asia |
Jan 18 13:48 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: And mcdonalds can exploit even more the developing ocuntries |
Jan 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: I do some antitrust stuff on Mono |
Jan 18 13:48 |
| schestowitz |
I need to get the acronyms right. |
Jan 18 13:48 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Mcdonals and nike send the bill for developing countries |
Jan 18 13:49 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: I don like japanese people too |
Jan 18 13:51 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: They are very selfish ,and reproduces a lot |
Jan 18 13:51 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Japanese people are only luck people |
Jan 18 13:52 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Like black people have strong skin |
Jan 18 13:52 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Japanese people have a bbit more of intelligence |
Jan 18 13:52 |
| schestowitz |
Japanese don’t reproduce much anymore |
Jan 18 13:53 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But I don like , japanese people uses the powe for self interests |
Jan 18 13:53 |
| schestowitz |
Many single people |
Jan 18 13:53 |
| schestowitz |
I could find you a video about it… |
Jan 18 13:53 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Now, but japanese people lives a lot |
Jan 18 13:53 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: And owns a lot of technology |
Jan 18 13:53 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: uses patents too |
Jan 18 13:53 |
| schestowitz |
Japan exploited China.. along with western countries that got tossed |
Jan 18 13:53 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: And I don like of extreme tecnology |
Jan 18 13:53 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, they live long |
Jan 18 13:53 |
| schestowitz |
They have software patents |
Jan 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
It’s a monopoly tool |
Jan 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
You mean, extreme technolisation that reduces humanity? |
Jan 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
As in, more stress, no human touch? |
Jan 18 13:54 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: No, extreme tech for more and more power |
Jan 18 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Jan 18 13:55 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Extreme tech for more profit |
Jan 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
That drove Unabomber nuts |
Jan 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
That’s why he killed people in positions of power |
Jan 18 13:55 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Extreme tech for more slavery |
Jan 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
People clicking buttons for a living. |
Jan 18 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
Rather.. as a way of live, not a living (as in wage) |
Jan 18 13:55 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Japanese life is a very artificial life |
Jan 18 13:56 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: 12 hours per day of studies |
Jan 18 13:56 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: More of 50 hours of work |
Jan 18 13:56 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Excessive consumism and technology |
Jan 18 13:56 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Altough , studies is a good thing,but the studies does not learn ethics |
Jan 18 13:57 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: the study only learns science |
Jan 18 13:57 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: More school training does not mean more ethics |
Jan 18 13:58 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: More school training sometimes means more power and slavery |
Jan 18 13:58 |
| schestowitz |
Study of work issues? |
Jan 18 13:59 |
| schestowitz |
Got source on this? |
Jan 18 13:59 |
| schestowitz |
The US is also an overworked culture, motivated by money and power. |
Jan 18 13:59 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: no |
Jan 18 13:59 |
| schestowitz |
But that’s what they are credited and recognised for |
Jan 18 14:00 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But EU like UK have a school training about of 8hours |
Jan 18 14:00 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Japanese people lives 12 hours per day in a school |
Jan 18 14:00 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: I think the good and recommended is only 8 hours |
Jan 18 14:00 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: And all the time does not learn ethics |
Jan 18 14:01 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Moral is more important than power |
Jan 18 14:02 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Japanese people is credited because of power ,not the moral |
Jan 18 14:02 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: “Oh japan have a lot of power!” |
Jan 18 14:05 |
| schestowitz |
Try to say this to those with power |
Jan 18 14:05 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But japan is not of example the good ethics |
Jan 18 14:05 |
| schestowitz |
The aim is to pass(propagate) this power downstream to future gens. |
Jan 18 14:05 |
| schestowitz |
Japan lacks ethics based on its history |
Jan 18 14:06 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Like roman era |
Jan 18 14:06 |
| schestowitz |
But so are many other countries. |
Jan 18 14:06 |
| schestowitz |
The US nuked Japan for example. |
Jan 18 14:06 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Yes , but japan can be a example of good ethics , but it’s not |
Jan 18 14:06 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: japan is “just a hacker “ |
Jan 18 14:07 |
| schestowitz |
Just a hacker like Michael Meeks? |
Jan 18 14:08 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: yes |
Jan 18 14:08 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Japan only works , there’s no space for ethics |
Jan 18 14:09 |
| ushimitsudoki |
seller_liar: you are japanese? |
Jan 18 14:09 |
| seller_liar |
seller_liar: No , why? |
Jan 18 14:09 |
| seller_liar |
ushimitsudoki: no why? |
Jan 18 14:09 |
| ushimitsudoki |
seller_liar: just wondering what your basis for this opinion was. |
Jan 18 14:10 |
| seller_liar |
ushimitsudoki: Japan just do the work |
Jan 18 14:11 |
| seller_liar |
ushimitsudoki: Japan is not a master representation of ethics |
Jan 18 14:11 |
| seller_liar |
ushimitsudoki: Of course, US ,Brazil is not |
Jan 18 14:11 |
| seller_liar |
ushimitsudoki: The differncial in japan is …….luck |
Jan 18 14:13 |
| seller_liar |
ushimitsudoki: But japanese people used the luck to grow in economics |
Jan 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz |
ushimitsudoki: I’m basing a new post on your finding |
Jan 18 14:13 |
| schestowitz |
One about .NET.. |
Jan 18 14:13 |
| ushimitsudoki |
cool i will read it when i get back! |
Jan 18 14:14 |
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Jan 18 14:41 |
| schestowitz |
New wiki theme: http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php?t… |
Jan 18 14:41 |
| schestowitz |
There are 7 options now (7 themes) |
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Jan 18 14:43 |
| tomka |
good morning/afternoon everyone |
Jan 18 14:43 |
| seller_liar |
ushimitsudoki: Sorry for talk about japanese people |
Jan 18 14:43 |
| ushimitsudoki |
seller_liar: *shrug* everyone is entitled to their opinions |
Jan 18 14:44 |
| tomka |
i am here to gather information about “why organisations switch back to microsoft from OS sometimes?” |
Jan 18 14:44 |
| tomka |
can you help me? |
Jan 18 14:45 |
| schestowitz |
Hey, tomka |
Jan 18 14:45 |
| schestowitz |
Care to give a specific example? |
Jan 18 14:46 |
| schestowitz |
I’m working on some evidence/cause soon… Microsoft’s illegal tactics |
Jan 18 14:46 |
| tomka |
i know about a hungarian tv station, which “switched” from linux to ms |
Jan 18 14:46 |
| tomka |
in reality, they had an old linux server for e-mails |
Jan 18 14:47 |
| schestowitz |
They could be bribed to do it, in one way or another |
Jan 18 14:47 |
| tomka |
they wanted something new, shiny |
Jan 18 14:47 |
| schestowitz |
There is no way to know without a look inside |
Jan 18 14:47 |
| schestowitz |
All I can do is exposed what I have access to |
Jan 18 14:47 |
| tomka |
so they bought five (5) ms servers with exchange, sharepoint, etc, and used the old linux as a frewall to protect the windowses from the Evil Internets |
Jan 18 14:47 |
| schestowitz |
All else remains a “speculation” or “conpiracy theory”. With antitrust material I have concrete evidence. |
Jan 18 14:47 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft marketing? |
Jan 18 14:48 |
| tomka |
yes, this info is from a MS case study |
Jan 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz |
Well, at this moment I talk to someone about a smoking gun from Microsoft |
Jan 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz |
They lies to people about Linux… |
Jan 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz |
MS Case study… |
Jan 18 14:48 |
| tomka |
|
Jan 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz |
So here is how it goes |
Jan 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz |
“here’s one million” |
Jan 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz |
“Dump Linux” |
Jan 18 14:48 |
| tomka |
yeah, the “funds” i read about on your page |
Jan 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz |
Then they tout this case study and suggest everyone does that same |
Jan 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll published another part of IDC|Gartner corruption tomorrow |
Jan 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz |
It shows what could be criminal behaviour from Microsoft. |
Jan 18 14:49 |
| tomka |
sounds interesting |
Jan 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz |
SCO too |
Jan 18 15:00 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe Groklaw will be interested. |
Jan 18 15:00 |
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Jan 18 15:30 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft should exit the Zune business < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_… >. Microsoft goes on the defense with statements now….. this one Asay deserves karma for, for a change. |
Jan 18 15:41 |
| schestowitz |
Why Microsoft left Windows 7 unpatched on Patch Tuesday < http://arstechnica.com/journals/microsoft.ars/20… > |
Jan 18 15:43 |
| schestowitz |
http://i.gizmodo.com/5132193/help-micro… Help Microsoft Design a Better BSOD for Windows 7 |
Jan 18 15:44 |
| schestowitz |
Slice through “Microsoft” news this week: for “Vista”: 2 out of 700; for “ows 7″: about 20 out of 700; Microsoft is ditching the Vista brand |
Jan 18 15:45 |
| schestowitz |
Headlines about “XBox” don’t mention the “N” word (Nintendo)… just a slog against another loser, Sony. |
Jan 18 15:47 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft Hides Sales Figures to Community Games Devs < http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/18544/Micros… > |
Jan 18 15:47 |
| schestowitz |
EDGI: From FOSS, govt moves on to Microsoft < http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/f… > |
Jan 18 15:48 |
| schestowitz |
Citizens should sue or something. Cronies sell their rights to Microsoft. |
Jan 18 15:49 |
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Jan 18 16:18 |
| schestowitz |
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/18/a… |
Jan 18 16:36 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.pcworld.com/article/157912/micr… http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?… I made the same observation last year. |
Jan 18 16:39 |
| schestowitz |
Federated Media announces layoffs, shift away from display ads< http://news.cnet.com/8301-17… >. Good riddance, less brainwash |
Jan 18 16:39 |
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Jan 18 16:43 |
| seller_liar |
I was thinking….. |
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Jan 18 16:43 |
| seller_liar |
media and press sees fusions as a good thing/ |
Jan 18 16:43 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: news… |
Jan 18 16:44 |
| schestowitz |
MS’ investments in Comcast are moving. |
Jan 18 16:44 |
| schestowitz |
This is related to Globo in Brazil. |
Jan 18 16:44 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/01/17/… |
Jan 18 16:44 |
| seller_liar |
it’s a good thing |
Jan 18 16:45 |
| seller_liar |
m$ losing power |
Jan 18 16:45 |
| seller_liar |
Comcast is a company in US which traffic -shape .Or not? |
Jan 18 16:47 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spo… http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-google-lay… |
Jan 18 16:47 |
| schestowitz |
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1231978867… http://www.thestreet.com/story/10457992/1/microsoft-mu… |
Jan 18 16:47 |
| schestowitz |
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2009/0… http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-Mul… |
Jan 18 16:47 |
| seller_liar |
5000 only? |
Jan 18 16:47 |
| schestowitz |
http://blog.wired.com/games/2009/… |
Jan 18 16:48 |
| seller_liar |
I was thinking in 7500 or 10000 |
Jan 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz |
Optimistic analysts think so. |
Jan 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz |
They could make it gradual and also lay off temps (not renew contracts) |
Jan 18 16:48 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: damage control probably |
Jan 18 16:48 |
| schestowitz |
When this is announced next week, we must amplify it |
Jan 18 16:48 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: only 5000 but in fact can be 6000 or 8000 |
Jan 18 16:49 |
| schestowitz |
It’s not often that you can show to the public that ‘omnipotent MS’ is a Big Lie |
Jan 18 16:49 |
| schestowitz |
Explain this to your friends/family too… |
Jan 18 16:49 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: probably 5000 can be 8 % of all workforce |
Jan 18 16:49 |
| schestowitz |
They think Microsoft is rich, Gates is charitable and Windows is used by many because it’s the best option |
Jan 18 16:49 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft uses talking heads to perpetuate these myths |
Jan 18 16:50 |
| schestowitz |
Right now it used its talking heads to do damage control and underplay the layoffs |
Jan 18 16:50 |
| schestowitz |
It will try the same thing next week. |
Jan 18 16:50 |
| schestowitz |
Excuses and the likes, diversion and distraction. You’ll see…. |
Jan 18 16:50 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Try to scan the next possible layoffs |
Jan 18 16:50 |
| schestowitz |
Will do. |
Jan 18 16:51 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: But it’s not so easy because m$ will send bit by bit |
Jan 18 16:51 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: like 200 per month |
Jan 18 16:51 |
| schestowitz |
Google Expected To See Slight Rise In 4Q Net Despite Economy < http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO… > |
Jan 18 16:51 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, but there are subsidiaries too |
Jan 18 16:52 |
| schestowitz |
It’s complicated |
Jan 18 16:52 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/ma… |
Jan 18 16:53 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: COLA will be more free now |
Jan 18 16:53 |
| schestowitz |
Hehe. yeah.. |
Jan 18 16:53 |
| schestowitz |
Hopefully… |
Jan 18 16:53 |
| schestowitz |
It’s already quieter |
Jan 18 16:53 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: I don t like google, it’s a web sand castle |
Jan 18 16:53 |
| schestowitz |
I’m going to do a good post on Mono |
Jan 18 16:54 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: about what? |
Jan 18 16:54 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: patents? api? |
Jan 18 16:54 |
| schestowitz |
Google I don’t stand for or defend…. like IBM… just predatory giants knocking one another |
Jan 18 16:54 |
| schestowitz |
It’s like being occupied by a nation that takes away your freedom |
Jan 18 16:54 |
| schestowitz |
You’d rather be occupied by the US, not China… |
Jan 18 16:55 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft is China… it suppresses freedom very aggressively. |
Jan 18 16:55 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: antitrust |
Jan 18 16:55 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: I’m bit worried because google and ibm can absorb all m$ market |
Jan 18 16:56 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: And the things will be worst |
Jan 18 16:56 |
| schestowitz |
Are we supposed to be impressed by IBM? http://www.crn.com/it-channel/212900625 |
Jan 18 16:56 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: I know. |
Jan 18 16:56 |
| schestowitz |
Lotus is still proprietary. |
Jan 18 16:56 |
| schestowitz |
I mailed them about it, but they’re like Microsoft. |
Jan 18 16:57 |
| schestowitz |
“if you really want to /view/ source code, we can arrange that…” |
Jan 18 16:57 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Sun contributes a lot more than IBM despite your size |
Jan 18 16:57 |
| schestowitz |
Yes. |
Jan 18 16:58 |
| schestowitz |
Apple is the worst, bar MS |
Jan 18 16:58 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: The most worst thins in actual system is the total dependency of high |
Jan 18 16:58 |
| seller_liar |
productivity |
Jan 18 16:58 |
| schestowitz |
People are now becoming more scared of WIndows: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?comman… |
Jan 18 16:58 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: I don’t follow. Can you rephrase pls? |
Jan 18 16:59 |
| seller_liar |
A big problem in actual economical system is the complete dependency of big markets |
Jan 18 16:59 |
| seller_liar |
seller_liar: lack of money distribution |
Jan 18 17:00 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: lack of moneyu distribution |
Jan 18 17:00 |
| twitter |
Hi all. |
Jan 18 17:00 |
| schestowitz |
Apple suffered a lot from Jobs’ departure: http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/apple-… |
Jan 18 17:01 |
| schestowitz |
wb, twitter |
Jan 18 17:01 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: yes, agreed. |
Jan 18 17:01 |
| twitter |
It’s funny. Bloomberg had a story about Apple shares falling the day before they fell. |
Jan 18 17:01 |
| schestowitz |
After Weeks Of Gloomy Rumors, Microsoft To Report Earnings < http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-200… > |
Jan 18 17:02 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: maybe they fell two days in a row? |
Jan 18 17:02 |
| twitter |
no. The Bloomberg story ran the day Apple made it’s announcement. The share price fell the next morning …. after all the doom and gloom stories. |
Jan 18 17:03 |
| schestowitz |
tessier: http://www.tajikistannews.net/story/452441 (China censors websites in vulgarity crackdown) |
Jan 18 17:04 |
| twitter |
can you actually get to that wsj article. They’ve had the same teaser for days with different Google news headlines. |
Jan 18 17:04 |
| twitter |
*? |
Jan 18 17:04 |
| schestowitz |
Room for inside-trading at Apple |
Jan 18 17:04 |
| schestowitz |
The FraudStreet is so manipulation-enabled; but it hadn’t crashes until recently. |
Jan 18 17:04 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: I can’t, but BugMeNot might help |
Jan 18 17:05 |
| twitter |
Google news’ tech section has also started picking up comments from Wintel articles – total astroturf and worse than Slashdot comments. The place is spammed out. |
Jan 18 17:05 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: RIAA vs mp3 guy will be live ! |
Jan 18 17:05 |
| schestowitz |
Yeah, Dell is ‘very serious’ about ditching Microsoft.. very …. “Dell has acquired Allin’s Microsoft IT consulting business” http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/busine… |
Jan 18 17:06 |
| twitter |
They said they were? |
Jan 18 17:06 |
| schestowitz |
Google News is spammed |
Jan 18 17:06 |
| twitter |
spammed badly. |
Jan 18 17:06 |
| schestowitz |
I have some filters in Thunderbird to clean it up, deleting items from publications I hare |
Jan 18 17:06 |
| schestowitz |
Sys-Con is a massive Google News spammer |
Jan 18 17:06 |
| twitter |
I hope Google can fix themselves. |
Jan 18 17:07 |
| schestowitz |
The accurate term if keyword stuffing I think. 2/3 of the page are just company names to stuff up the engine |
Jan 18 17:07 |
| schestowitz |
Don’t worry, Google have 10,000 MSFTers to recruit from now… :-S |
Jan 18 17:08 |
| twitter |
Have job cuts been announced? |
Jan 18 17:08 |
| schestowitz |
Next week |
Jan 18 17:08 |
| schestowitz |
I reckon MS gave WSJ a hint |
Jan 18 17:08 |
| schestowitz |
This way it’s excpected |
Jan 18 17:08 |
| schestowitz |
So when they announce poorer than expected results they’ll offer the ‘medicine’ |
Jan 18 17:09 |
| twitter |
They gave everyone a hint and spammed it out so badly it will be hard to find the real story later. |
Jan 18 17:09 |
| twitter |
They understand that a flood of lies is effective. |
Jan 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.schaeffersresearch.com/commenta… “Today’s Early Edge includes restructuring news from Autodesk, Inc. (ADSK), rumored job cuts at Microsoft Corporation (MSFT), valuation concerns for Force Protection, Inc. (FRPT), and a cautiously bullish note for Delta Air Lines, Inc. (DAL). Read on to learn more about today |
Jan 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz |
‘s stocks on the move. |
Jan 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz |
“ |
Jan 18 17:10 |
| schestowitz |
Have they flooded Google with enough “Win7″ and “Linux killer” headline yet? |
Jan 18 17:11 |
| schestowitz |
*lines |
Jan 18 17:11 |
| twitter |
That’s another big spam. |
Jan 18 17:11 |
| twitter |
They said things like that about Vista, didn’t they? |
Jan 18 17:12 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, many times |
Jan 18 17:12 |
| schestowitz |
They also spread this in forums |
Jan 18 17:12 |
| schestowitz |
“Last nail on Linux’ coffin” was a popular phrase at the time (re: Vista) |
Jan 18 17:12 |
| twitter |
Ed Bott promised Win 7 for July. Freezing the market as best as they can. |
Jan 18 17:12 |
| schestowitz |
2010 is likely |
Jan 18 17:13 |
| schestowitz |
It’s too buggy |
Jan 18 17:13 |
| twitter |
Sure, but they keep bullshitting people in order to keep people from leaving. |
Jan 18 17:13 |
| twitter |
If what I’ve seen is typical, people who go to Vista are as good as gone to them. It’s still that buggy. |
Jan 18 17:15 |
| schestowitz |
Write this in your book: TGdaily is MS propaganda site |
Jan 18 17:15 |
| schestowitz |
Based on who writes there and what they publish |
Jan 18 17:15 |
| twitter |
Vista 7 is not really going to be better. |
Jan 18 17:15 |
| schestowitz |
Too much pro-MS stuff and Linux/Apple-hostile stuff |
Jan 18 17:15 |
| schestowitz |
Intel, Cisco and Microsoft look to improve global education < http://www.tgdaily.com/content/v… > |
Jan 18 17:15 |
| schestowitz |
EDGI |
Jan 18 17:15 |
| schestowitz |
Vista 7 is going to be better than Vista. |
Jan 18 17:15 |
| schestowitz |
But that’s not saying much. |
Jan 18 17:16 |
| twitter |
it is Vista |
Jan 18 17:16 |
| schestowitz |
+lipstick+hype (marketing) |
Jan 18 17:17 |
| twitter |
Vista has improved but it’s still a mess of monthly and service patches, DRM, security flaws and all that. |
Jan 18 17:17 |
| schestowitz |
They are trying to rally and prepare 3rd-party devs/ISVs |
Jan 18 17:17 |
| twitter |
If you do what M$ tells you, it bricks itself. |
Jan 18 17:18 |
| schestowitz |
This reminds me of the EDGI docs: http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2233779… |
Jan 18 17:19 |
| schestowitz |
Look at this fluff… http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?… |
Jan 18 17:20 |
| twitter |
The uptick if viruses and system failures is typical for a new Windows launch. They want to destroy XP so that people will be forced to buy new computers. It’s amazing they try to pull the same stunt in a recession. |
Jan 18 17:20 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft.. familiy… they play the same mental game with minority groups… part for the PR assault. |
Jan 18 17:20 |
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Jan 18 17:20 |
| twitter |
M$ may “win” Yahoo, but they can only do to it what they did to Hotmail. |
Jan 18 17:21 |
| schestowitz |
Copying from Google again: Microsoft launches a policy blog < http://www.prweekus.com/Microsoft-launches-… > |
Jan 18 17:23 |
| twitter |
POS with windows? There have been so many embarrassments there, how can they dare recommend more of the same? |
Jan 18 17:23 |
| schestowitz |
Many UK ATMs runs Windows |
Jan 18 17:23 |
| schestowitz |
The other day in the Metro, it was reported that an ATM had been giving people twice what they requested |
Jan 18 17:23 |
| schestowitz |
It lasted for 6 hours |
Jan 18 17:24 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft tried telling people that it’s s*ware isn’t so bad.. http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/security/… “Microsoft: Phishing losses greatly over-estimated” |
Jan 18 17:27 |
| schestowitz |
Next they blame the users for being “stupid”, not the programmer |
Jan 18 17:27 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft’s New Advertising Campaign: “It’s Everybody’s Business” http://www.designtaxi.com/news.jsp?id=… |
Jan 18 17:29 |
| schestowitz |
It has occured to me that it would be good to start referring to Windows XP as “Windows 2001″ |
Jan 18 17:30 |
| schestowitz |
This will raise awareness of how old and rusty Microsoft’s ‘best OS’ really is and encourage trying — say — Mandriva 2009 |
Jan 18 17:31 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft Spiraling < http://thedenveregotist.com/article/34… > |
Jan 18 17:31 |
| twitter |
W2K+1 = XP |
Jan 18 17:40 |
| twitter |
The “I’m minding Everyone’s Business” has Unlimited Potential. |
Jan 18 17:40 |
| schestowitz |
It’s 2009 now, so calling Windows XP Win2001 would be useful |
Jan 18 17:40 |
| twitter |
Yes. |
Jan 18 17:41 |
| schestowitz |
Like saying, “you’re so yesterday” |
Jan 18 17:41 |
| schestowitz |
I have Mandriva 2008.1 on this box (Spring) |
Jan 18 17:41 |
| twitter |
2001, a retro future oddity |
Jan 18 17:41 |
| schestowitz |
Win7: “you’re so beta”; Vista: “even Seinfeld couldn’t take it anymore” |
Jan 18 17:42 |
| schestowitz |
What the Eff… Is Wrong With Microsoft? < http://loot-ninja.com/2009/01/15/wha… > |
Jan 18 17:43 |
| schestowitz |
VMware hiring ex-Microsoft execs; Marathon helps Citrix and now Microsoft with HA and FT < http://weblog.infoworld.com/virtualiza… > |
Jan 18 17:43 |
| schestowitz |
It’s wrong. _EMC_ hies ex-Softies, VMware got tossed inside out (if that’s possible). Tucci is slimy suit. |
Jan 18 17:44 |
| twitter |
Phishing, it’s all the media’s fault they say, ” stories of easy money may be encouraging a phishing “gold rush” effect” Don’t tell the truth, it will only make things worse. How pathetic. |
Jan 18 17:45 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, I know. |
Jan 18 17:48 |
| schestowitz |
Anyway, I’m off to the gym now. bbl |
Jan 18 17:48 |
| twitter |
later |
Jan 18 17:48 |
| trmanco |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9fqlI9B6QU |
Jan 18 18:10 |
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Jan 18 18:19 |
| twitter |
going to watch |
Jan 18 18:33 |
| twitter |
M$ Death Watch updated with M$’s 1998 GNU/Linux awareness and 2002 Linux Panic Attack. http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jour… |
Jan 18 18:34 |
| twitter |
it’s lunch time, bbl |
Jan 18 18:34 |
| twitter |
This stuff is hard to look at, http://cc.aljazeera.net/ |
Jan 18 18:50 |
| twitter |
One interview summed it all up for me. A woman without water and electricity pointed to her broken windows, wrecked walls and shrapnel. |
Jan 18 18:52 |
| twitter |
Asked, “Do you blame Hamas for this?” she answered, “No, it’s been the same since I was a little girl. We are punished whoever is in power.” |
Jan 18 18:53 |
| schestowitz |
The Wiki is coming along nicely. It’ll evolve and look good at the end. I’ll also link to Groklaw, Register, etc over time. |
Jan 18 19:46 |
| schestowitz |
Circuit City clears shelves ahead of closure http://www.itwire.com/content/v… |
Jan 18 20:07 |
| schestowitz |
Circuit City, I Won’t Miss You < http://www.pcworld.com/article/157925/cir… > |
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Jan 18 20:23 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-nov-fe… “Many UK ISPs have censored part or all of the Internet Archive. The idea that the public should be “protected” from certain ideas is more dangerous than anything they try to “protect” us from.” |
Jan 18 20:32 |
| schestowitz |
The third runway is the final betrayal < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/… > |
Jan 18 20:36 |
| schestowitz |
SFLC: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/bl… (LGPL’ing of Qt Will Encourage More Software Freedom) |
Jan 18 20:57 |
| tessier |
Final betrayel? |
Jan 18 23:18 |
| tessier |
betrayal |
Jan 18 23:18 |
| schestowitz |
Where? |
Jan 18 23:18 |
| tessier |
<schestowitz> The third runway is the final betrayal < http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/20… > |
Jan 18 23:18 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, *that* |
Jan 18 23:18 |
| tessier |
What do you mean? |
Jan 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz |
Global warming ignored by the Clown regime |
Jan 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz |
There is also Internet censorship in Germany now. |
Jan 18 23:19 |
| tessier |
Another runway will cause global warming? |
Jan 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz |
That’s what they say….. |
Jan 18 23:19 |
| schestowitz |
Erosion of rights either way, re: Germany |
Jan 18 23:20 |
| tessier |
INdeed |
Jan 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz |
Thanks for this pointer BTW: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/18/as… |
Jan 18 23:20 |
| schestowitz |
I’m doing many posts now |
Jan 18 23:20 |
| tessier |
You’re welcome |
Jan 18 23:21 |
| *tessier downloads Fedora 10 and hopes to finally reinstall his desktop today |
Jan 18 23:21 |
| tessier |
Making and verifying backups now. |
Jan 18 23:21 |
| schestowitz |
F10 got decent reviews |
Jan 18 23:22 |
| schestowitz |
F9 was a mess based on what I read at the time |
Jan 18 23:22 |
| schestowitz |
MS sued: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/18/mi… |
Jan 18 23:22 |
| twitter |
I still don’t follow the logic behind lgpl of QT. QT and the OS are free now, how is moving to the lgpl and encouraging proprietary stuff on top of it supposed to make QT “community developed”? |
Jan 18 23:53 |
| MinceR |
it means Qt remains just as useful even without Nokia |
Jan 18 23:54 |
| MinceR |
commercial developers can improve Qt knowing that they get to keep using it even if Nokia goes under |
Jan 18 23:55 |
| schestowitz |
But.. but… Nokia is in Finland (up north) |
Jan 18 23:57 |
| MinceR |
lol |
Jan 18 23:57 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: you’ll love this video. |
Jan 18 23:57 |
| MinceR |
making Qt LGPL was IMO a necessary step for it to compete with GTK |
Jan 18 23:57 |
| schestowitz |
I stilll proofread it though: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/… |
Jan 18 23:58 |
| *r0ver (n=r0ver@200.127.24.112) has joined #boycottnovell |
Jan 18 23:58 |
| MinceR |
restricting who can use a GUI toolkit means your GUI environment will by necessity be non-uniform, which is bad in a usability sense |
Jan 18 23:59 |
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