04.22.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 21st, 2009 – Part 3
To use your own IRC client, join channel #boycottnovell in FreeNode.
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: we are swamped with webbase irc clients. | Apr 21 08:08 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, can it be disabled by the IRC server (the messages)? | Apr 21 08:09 |
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| *schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K… | Apr 21 08:10 | |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: I changed Wiki theme slightly (skin) | Apr 21 08:10 |
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| oiaohm | Channel mode can hide joins and quits. | Apr 21 08:11 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: I checked, but which mode? | Apr 21 08:13 |
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| oiaohm | I cannot remember off the top of my head schestowitz | Apr 21 08:14 |
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| schestowitz | I’ll check | Apr 21 08:14 |
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| schestowitz | Let me try deljoins | Apr 21 08:17 |
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| oiaohm | I know the easy entrence to irc from you site makes it simple for non irc people to get here but times like this is more harm than good. | Apr 21 08:18 |
| schestowitz | I found http://www.alien.net.au/irc/chanmodes.html | Apr 21 08:18 |
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| *#boycottnovell :End of Channel Ban List | Apr 21 08:20 | |
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| schestowitz | *”This command is for network staff only” | Apr 21 08:21 |
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| schestowitz | Seems as though I cam’t achieve this in freenode | Apr 21 08:21 |
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| mib_u5c637 | hi | Apr 21 09:26 |
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| mib_u5c637 | hw r u | Apr 21 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 21 09:26 |
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| schestowitz | OK, what’s up? | Apr 21 09:26 |
| mib_u5c637 | from | Apr 21 09:26 |
| mib_u5c637 | same | Apr 21 09:27 |
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| schestowitz | We’re experimenting with a new IRC paradigm | Apr 21 09:27 |
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| schestowitz | And moved to a Wiki at the front page | Apr 21 09:27 |
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| mib_u5c637 | ya | Apr 21 09:28 |
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| schestowitz | I ought to write something about oracle | Apr 21 09:30 |
| schestowitz | But people are fatigued by it, I suppose | Apr 21 09:30 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is in a downward spiral at the moment | Apr 21 09:31 |
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| MinceR | it’s called the death spiral  |
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| schestowitz | Microsofgt callls it that | Apr 21 09:33 |
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| MinceR | btw, something should be done about these stupid mibbit instances | Apr 21 09:34 |
| MinceR | does some page on the site automatically log people into irc or something? | Apr 21 09:34 |
| schestowitz | They might announce layoffs on friday | Apr 21 09:34 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Apr 21 09:34 |
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| schestowitz | I don’t think I can change FreeNode to remove joins | Apr 21 09:35 |
| MinceR | i think that’s a very bad idea | Apr 21 09:35 |
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| MinceR | it should require at least a click or something | Apr 21 09:35 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: IPs are hidden | Apr 21 09:35 |
| MinceR | most visitors won’t want to chat but this generates unnecessary load for their machines, mibbit and our eyes | Apr 21 09:35 |
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| MinceR | no they aren’t | Apr 21 09:35 |
| schestowitz | Obfuscated | Apr 21 09:35 |
| MinceR | the usernames contain their ip addresses in hex form | Apr 21 09:35 |
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| schestowitz | I know | Apr 21 09:35 |
| MinceR | i even have a script to decode them | Apr 21 09:36 |
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| MinceR | oh, also it generates unnecessary load for freenode | Apr 21 09:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmmm… | Apr 21 09:37 |
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| schestowitz | It would be useful if joins were silent | Apr 21 09:37 |
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| MinceR | that’s a client-side thing | Apr 21 09:37 |
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| MinceR | and it only solves one tiny part of the problem for the user who installs it | Apr 21 09:38 |
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| MinceR | if you could hide joins for everyone, that would create a vulnerability that ddos kiddies could exploit | Apr 21 09:39 |
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| MinceR | they could bring mibbit instances into the channel in preparation for a flood without anyone noticing | Apr 21 09:39 |
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| mib_0aaheu mib_1u2ega mib_22t9zg mib_36va0i mib_3ory10 mib_547wn0 mib_684ufr mib_6ymj8d mib_79vjdj mib_7zuh79 mib_8hfu1c mib_97vwcn mib_annffl mib_ar7fvo mib_b68jbw mib_ca2wvk mib_cf3kln mib_cqiuly mib_d32go3 mib_ddox0k mib_ex52wp mib_ey0o48 mib_faq7q3 mib_fciwf0 mib_gk8mfi mib_gyjjma mib_hlxqh5 mib_i8jtvq mib_iruc5g mib_jev0ku mib_jftukc mib_jsyvz1 mib_kqsq6a mib_ku2gsk mib_kwkkes mib_l914zq mib_m28q0l mib_m6st74 mib_na11wn mib_nhm138 mib_pvs25w mib_q9xs7r mib_r0cbtn mib_rqa3oe mib_rugn8r mib_uligur mib_uqoruo mib_v0aaa7 mib_vfvtjy mib_vtuzfa mib_vzbrfk mib_wb7six mib_z1176v mib_zck0o6 mib_zk41sh mib_zry26u MinceR | Apr 21 09:41 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: maybe I can limit pages of entry | Apr 21 09:41 |
| schestowitz | Let’s see | Apr 21 09:41 |
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| MinceR | j0h0h0 | Apr 21 09:41 |
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| MinceR | one page should be enough imo | Apr 21 09:42 |
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| MinceR | even one hosted by mibbit if it’s possible | Apr 21 09:42 |
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| MinceR | (and then the join the channel button or link could just take users there) | Apr 21 09:42 |
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| schestowitz | The thing is, I thought about reducing comments | Apr 21 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | And have communication be faster | Apr 21 09:43 |
| schestowitz | Some sites do it like that | Apr 21 09:43 |
| schestowitz | Some other sites divert readers to “Forums” | Apr 21 09:43 |
| MinceR | you mean using irc instead of comments? | Apr 21 09:43 |
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| schestowitz | In which case there is no set of comments attached to article. | Apr 21 09:44 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Apr 21 09:44 |
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| MinceR | even then a link could work | Apr 21 09:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24539/1231/ (Oracle to layoff more than 10,000 Sun staff: analysts) | Apr 21 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | Oracle: what happens to MySQL and OpenSolaris? < http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24537/1231/ > | Apr 21 10:41 |
| schestowitz | MySQL is already out of the hands of Sun to an extent | Apr 21 10:41 |
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| schestowitz | Linux lifts IBM: http://www.theregister.co.uk/… | Apr 21 10:51 |
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| mib_ukfi6p | boycott boycottnovell | Apr 21 10:53 |
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| mib_0aaheu mib_0hxf0l mib_1u2ega mib_21m7nl mib_22t9zg mib_3ory10 mib_3xf1pb mib_684ufr mib_79vjdj mib_7l8o1l mib_7zuh79 mib_adeg1j mib_akporl mib_arszeo mib_cf3kln mib_cqiuly mib_d32go3 mib_ddox0k mib_elt3bv mib_esgicz mib_ey0o48 mib_faq7q3 mib_gk8mfi mib_gk8qne mib_grtb5s mib_gyjjma mib_hde4hf mib_hlxqh5 mib_iruc5g mib_jev0ku mib_jftukc mib_jl1mxh mib_jsyvz1 mib_jwf5z1 mib_kqsq6a mib_l5cbca mib_l914zq mib_nhm138 mib_oshpse mib_p77t4n mib_r0cbtn mib_rf1uf1 mib_rqa3oe mib_tsesaq mib_udtd6n mib_uqoruo mib_v0aaa7 mib_vawzft mib_vfvtjy mib_vqz9cx mib_vtuzfa mib_vzbrfk mib_wb7six mib_zck0o6 mib_zry26u MinceR | Apr 21 10:55 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I applied your suggestion | Apr 21 10:55 |
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| schestowitz | The IRC page will connect, most other pages will have a trigger for it | Apr 21 10:56 |
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| toros | hi | Apr 21 10:57 |
| oiaohm | Yep IBM basicaly wanted sun but could not afford it. | Apr 21 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/8346 “It was a shocking revelation. Exactly one year ago today, the New York Times published an in-depth account of the Pentagon military analyst program, a covert effort to cultivate pundits who are retired military officers as the Bush administration’s “message force multipliers.”” | Apr 21 10:59 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no money? | Apr 21 10:59 |
| schestowitz | For IBM? | Apr 21 10:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-an… The rumour is that in 2 days Microsoft will announce bad results (at market close) for the 4th consecutive quarter and then lay off a lot more employees because GNU/Linux shattered its margins. Windows is now sold for a few dollars to remain competitive. | Apr 21 10:59 |
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| oiaohm | IBM would have had to dip into there reserves to buy SUN schestowitz | Apr 21 11:00 |
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| schestowitz | More stupid propaganda: “Israel will work with the “international gay community” to highlight Iran’s repression of LGBT people.” http://www.prwatch.org/node/8344 | Apr 21 11:01 |
| oiaohm | In the current times you don’t want debts. | Apr 21 11:01 |
| oiaohm | IBM is currently debt free. | Apr 21 11:01 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yes, I know. | Apr 21 11:01 |
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| oiaohm | With a decent 7 billion dollar reserve. | Apr 21 11:01 |
| schestowitz | Yes, IBM is debt free AFAIK | Apr 21 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | Microsott might not be | Apr 21 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | Depends how far along it went with the buybacks so far | Apr 21 11:02 |
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| schestowitz | That can’t be disclosed | Apr 21 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Buy SUN would have eaten up all the reserve. | Apr 21 11:02 |
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| oiaohm | Not a good thing is bad times comes to IBM. | Apr 21 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Orcale is really in good place. No debts and tons of reserves. | Apr 21 11:02 |
| schestowitz | ‘A “senior political source in Jerusalem” said the campaign will “lay the groundwork” for “possible diplomatic failure” with Iran. “Despite talk of a military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities,” the campaign advocates “harsh economic sanctions.”‘ | Apr 21 11:03 |
| schestowitz | This is branwash | Apr 21 11:03 |
| schestowitz | It’s like what Microsoft id doing | Apr 21 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Put $2 million in shoving cr*p in YouTube and daemonise | Apr 21 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Instead of negotiation | Apr 21 11:03 |
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| oiaohm | Orcale sees no value in the likes of Virtualbox. | Apr 21 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | Shuttleworth: Oracle’s Sun buy validates open source < http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/… > | Apr 21 11:15 |
| schestowitz | NYT: In Sun, Oracle Sees a Software Gem | Apr 21 11:16 |
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| schestowitz | “During an open Q&A, Shuttleworth said that customers should expect a major netbook OEM announcement” http://www.workswithu.com/2009/0… | Apr 21 11:17 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: nice. and when will it affect us? (perhaps the visitors we’re seeing get the pages from cache or something?) | Apr 21 11:35 |
| schestowitz | yes, cache | Apr 21 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Give it some hours | Apr 21 11:37 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: you wanted it, you got it | Apr 21 11:37 |
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| oiaohm | Ubuntu still fails Orcale certification. | Apr 21 11:38 |
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| MinceR | thx | Apr 21 11:39 |
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| oiaohm | Lol IBM and Microsoft got blind sided by the Oracle buying sun. | Apr 21 11:53 |
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| oiaohm | I had not though of that out of the 8 plat members of the Linux foundation. Only 2 don’t have chip production I know of. Does HP have chip production if so only one without is Novell. | Apr 21 11:58 |
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| schestowitz | Back doors in Windows: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/21/cip… | Apr 21 12:19 |
| schestowitz | There is more hope for Mono-free GNOME: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… | Apr 21 12:20 |
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| oiaohm | http://socghop.appspot.com/student_proje… Hmm interesting project. | Apr 21 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft thinking that rebradning alone would save it: http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-y… | Apr 21 12:21 |
| MinceR | maybe this time it will! just like DRM… | Apr 21 12:22 |
| MinceR | if you have tried 23423 times and it has failed every time, surely it will succeed now! | Apr 21 12:22 |
| schestowitz | I’ve got to go meet a friend | Apr 21 12:24 |
| schestowitz | back later | Apr 21 12:24 |
| schestowitz | Me made FP of Linuxtoday BTW | Apr 21 12:24 |
| schestowitz | *We | Apr 21 12:24 |
| MinceR | o/ | Apr 21 12:26 |
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| oiaohm | “What’s amazing is the elasticity, the speed with which Sun shifted from one suitor to another,” DiDio said. “That was faster than Madonna.” http://www.computerworld.com/acti… | Apr 21 13:22 |
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| oiaohm | Oracle: SELECT * FROM Sun << LWN.net headline that is the best line so far for the take over. | Apr 21 13:24 |
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| MinceR |  |
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| MinceR | wouldn’t that be “select * from sun into oracle;” or something? | Apr 21 13:26 |
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| oiaohm | Excactly MinceR its funny because its wrong. | Apr 21 13:28 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Apr 21 13:53 |
| Omar87 | Can you guys believe that there are people on earth who think that the C language was made by Microsoft…?? | Apr 21 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Yes | Apr 21 13:54 |
| oiaohm | MS spreed myths that they made everything. | Apr 21 13:55 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86-DOS Do you believe that MS created dos as well Omar87 | Apr 21 13:57 |
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