| MinceR |
gn |
Nov 10 00:09 |
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Nov 10 00:12 |
| yuhong |
Remember the “revisionist” thing? |
Nov 10 00:12 |
| yuhong |
I think that it isn’t that it was revisionist, but it was that they are bad excuses. |
Nov 10 00:13 |
| schestowitz |
What do you mean? |
Nov 10 00:13 |
| schestowitz |
By the way, are you in Seattle? |
Nov 10 00:14 |
| yuhong |
Yes, I am. |
Nov 10 00:14 |
| schestowitz |
Any relation to some company there? |
Nov 10 00:14 |
| schestowitz |
Just curious, that’s all.. |
Nov 10 00:14 |
| yuhong |
No, but you said that the DR/MS thing was revisionist. |
Nov 10 00:14 |
| schestowitz |
Wait. |
Nov 10 00:15 |
| yuhong |
I think it was just a bad excuse. |
Nov 10 00:15 |
| schestowitz |
Are you using Linux where you work? I’m curious. |
Nov 10 00:15 |
| yuhong |
No. |
Nov 10 00:15 |
| schestowitz |
Any connection to another company in WA? |
Nov 10 00:15 |
| yuhong |
No. |
Nov 10 00:15 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, okay. |
Nov 10 00:15 |
| yuhong |
Anyway, back to DR/MS. |
Nov 10 00:16 |
| yuhong |
you said that the DR/MS thing was revisionist. |
Nov 10 00:16 |
| yuhong |
I think it was just a bad excuse. |
Nov 10 00:16 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe just a coincidence then (that you always defend Microsoft and also connect from Seattle, Washington) |
Nov 10 00:16 |
| schestowitz |
No, not back to DR-DOS. |
Nov 10 00:16 |
| yuhong |
I don’t always defend MS. |
Nov 10 00:16 |
| schestowitz |
You’re trying to change the subject, why? |
Nov 10 00:16 |
| schestowitz |
When do you not defend them? |
Nov 10 00:16 |
| yuhong |
I admit that freedom is a real advantage of open source software. |
Nov 10 00:16 |
| schestowitz |
Have you tried GNU/Linux? |
Nov 10 00:17 |
| yuhong |
Yes I did. |
Nov 10 00:17 |
| schestowitz |
Which distros do you like? |
Nov 10 00:17 |
| yuhong |
I am not sure yet. |
Nov 10 00:17 |
| schestowitz |
Which did you try? |
Nov 10 00:17 |
| yuhong |
Ubuntu. |
Nov 10 00:17 |
| yuhong |
In a VM. |
Nov 10 00:18 |
| schestowitz |
Nice. |
Nov 10 00:18 |
| yuhong |
But I joined the channel in the first place because I was thinking of the DR/MS. |
Nov 10 00:18 |
| yuhong |
I don’t think it was revisionist, just that it was a bad excuse. |
Nov 10 00:19 |
| schestowitz |
I just notice that you also defend Microsoft in Roughly drafted. |
Nov 10 00:19 |
| yuhong |
I often do. |
Nov 10 00:19 |
| schestowitz |
E.g. in “You do have some good points about the limitations of security in modern OSes, but the comparison is fundementally unfair. The iPhone’s OS should really be compared against things like Windows Mobile and Windows CE, NOT desktop or server versions of Windows.” < http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2007/10… > |
Nov 10 00:19 |
| schestowitz |
Why? |
Nov 10 00:19 |
| schestowitz |
It was not an excuse though. |
Nov 10 00:20 |
| schestowitz |
It was technical sabotage. |
Nov 10 00:20 |
| schestowitz |
I notice that you also blog in Microsoft’s space… http://yuhong386.spaces.live.com/ |
Nov 10 00:21 |
| schestowitz |
Oops. |
Nov 10 00:21 |
| schestowitz |
That’s someone else. |
Nov 10 00:21 |
| schestowitz |
Wait, is this you? http://yuhong386.spaces.live.com/?_c11_BlogP… |
Nov 10 00:23 |
| schestowitz |
yuhong: are you there? |
Nov 10 00:23 |
| schestowitz |
yuhong?? |
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Nov 10 01:31 |
| yuhong |
Anyway, I was referring to your claim about the MS/SCP/DR story being “revisionism”. |
Nov 10 01:31 |
| yuhong |
And I don’t think it is revisionism, but do think it is a bad excuse for what MS did to DR in early 1990s. |
Nov 10 01:32 |
| yuhong |
And the same can be said of Netscape. |
Nov 10 01:32 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft used illegal tactics against Netscape. |
Nov 10 01:34 |
| schestowitz |
The DOJ and the United States of America says so. |
Nov 10 01:34 |
| yuhong |
I know they did. |
Nov 10 01:35 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft admitted (in court evidence) that it could not beat Netscape in regular means. |
Nov 10 01:35 |
| yuhong |
I know. |
Nov 10 01:35 |
| yuhong |
And I know they did the same thing against Digital Research. |
Nov 10 01:35 |
| yuhong |
I was referring to when you said a story was “revisionism”. |
Nov 10 01:36 |
| yuhong |
It isn’t but it is a bad excuse. |
Nov 10 01:36 |
| yuhong |
Notice that I am certainly not defending MS’s illegal actions. |
Nov 10 01:37 |
| yuhong |
On Netscape, have you heard of JSSS? |
Nov 10 01:37 |
| schestowitz |
You are trying to justify the “Netscape killed itself” fairy tale. |
Nov 10 01:39 |
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Nov 10 01:40 |
| dsmith_ |
hello all |
Nov 10 01:41 |
| yuhong |
And even though is true, it is a bad excuse. |
Nov 10 01:42 |
| yuhong |
for what MS did to Netscape. |
Nov 10 01:43 |
| yuhong |
Which was my point. |
Nov 10 01:44 |
| schestowitz |
hey, dsmith_ , long time, no talk. |
Nov 10 01:44 |
| dsmith_ |
yep |
Nov 10 01:44 |
| dsmith_ |
I do read your blog though |
Nov 10 01:44 |
| schestowitz |
I have heaps of sellout laptopists to expose  |
Nov 10 01:44 |
| dsmith_ |
lol |
Nov 10 01:44 |
| schestowitz |
Got 3 or 4 so far … http://boycottnovell.com/ |
Nov 10 01:44 |
| schestowitz |
About 4 more to go. |
Nov 10 01:44 |
| schestowitz |
…saving the best for last. |
Nov 10 01:44 |
| dsmith_ |
good |
Nov 10 01:45 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft should be ripped for this. |
Nov 10 01:45 |
| schestowitz |
But I think there are no proper laws against it… not in the US anyway. |
Nov 10 01:45 |
| dsmith_ |
its like a automobile manufacturer giving away a car |
Nov 10 01:45 |
| dsmith_ |
just say good things about it |
Nov 10 01:46 |
| dsmith_ |
haha |
Nov 10 01:46 |
| dsmith_ |
btw I look at “7″////b;eh |
Nov 10 01:46 |
| schestowitz |
Do they do that? |
Nov 10 01:46 |
| dsmith_ |
btw I look at “7″…bleh |
Nov 10 01:46 |
| dsmith_ |
h3ll no |
Nov 10 01:46 |
| schestowitz |
In order to look at Vista7 you need to get the full ‘experience. |
Nov 10 01:46 |
| schestowitz |
You need to get the $2000 -feature- schwag. |
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Nov 10 01:47 |
| *dsmith_ passes on the so-called *full* exp. |
Nov 10 01:47 |
| schestowitz |
But dsmith_ |
Nov 10 01:47 |
| dsmith_ |
I dont like using Crack |
Nov 10 01:47 |
| schestowitz |
For car makers to give away cars is one thing. |
Nov 10 01:47 |
| schestowitz |
The things is… |
Nov 10 01:47 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft makes software, not PCs. |
Nov 10 01:48 |
| schestowitz |
A better analogy would be a maker of car radios giving away cars as gifts… |
Nov 10 01:48 |
| schestowitz |
Well, on ‘indefinite loans”, of course *win wink* |
Nov 10 01:48 |
| dsmith_ |
hmmmm, naw |
Nov 10 01:49 |
| dsmith_ |
better analogy would be engines.. |
Nov 10 01:50 |
| dsmith_ |
not radios |
Nov 10 01:50 |
| dsmith_ |
but anyway… |
Nov 10 01:50 |
| dsmith_ |
$2000, crimney.. I could buy 4-5 Linux notebooks and obtain better performance! |
Nov 10 01:51 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Nov 10 01:54 |
| schestowitz |
Engines are physical though. |
Nov 10 01:54 |
| schestowitz |
Software does not cost anything for Microsoft to give. |
Nov 10 01:54 |
| dsmith_ |
true, I think they figured $5 Billion to develop Vista |
Nov 10 01:58 |
| dsmith_ |
hard to believe |
Nov 10 01:58 |
| schestowitz |
Haha. |
Nov 10 02:04 |
| schestowitz |
They calculate what…? |
Nov 10 02:04 |
| schestowitz |
5-6 years of development? |
Nov 10 02:04 |
| schestowitz |
4-5 oh which were thrown to the wastebasket when operation Longhorn got the boot? |
Nov 10 02:04 |
| schestowitz |
That’s like saying you’ve been gardening all day after taking 12 hours to nap on the bench and then working for 1 hour. |
Nov 10 02:06 |
| schestowitz |
Linux Foundation caught up with the marketing hype and did some ‘study’ with big numbers. It’s all about PERCEIVED VALUE. |
Nov 10 02:06 |
| dsmith_ |
perceived, operative word |
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Nov 10 04:47 |
| schestowitz |
gn |
Nov 10 04:58 |
| Eruaran |
hi |
Nov 10 05:05 |
| macabe |
hello |
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Nov 10 09:05 |
| ZiggyFish1 |
Microsoft will want to do well with Windows 7 |
Nov 10 09:06 |
| ZiggyFish1 |
even if the journalist are bribed, Microsoft can’t bribe Users (can, they afford to?) |
Nov 10 09:07 |
| ZiggyFish1 |
anyway Windows 7 looks like Linux 2006. |
Nov 10 09:09 |
| MinceR |
hay |
Nov 10 09:32 |
| tessier |
ZiggyFish1: They won’t bribe users. They will blackmail. |
Nov 10 09:36 |
| ZiggyFish1 |
lol |
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Nov 10 10:16 |
| schestowitz |
Oh Gosh… http://online.wsj.com/article/SB… ( Bailout Bill Provided Tech Workers With Tax Relief for Stock Options ) “The recent $700 billion rescue package to bolster the financial system also threw a lifeline to thousands of people who owed taxes on stock options dating to the technology-stock crash of 2000.” Looting of public wealth |
Nov 10 10:20 |
| schestowitz |
“Technically, the workers could claim credits under the AMT for “overpaying” the tax. But the law generally limited the credit to $3,000 a year, meaning some workers would have to wait hundreds of years to recover their money. The bailout law allows workers who paid the AMT to reclaim the money in two years; those who hadn’t paid won’t have to pay the tax.” |
Nov 10 10:21 |
| schestowitz |
Stealing from the public for ‘good’ use… to feed some more fat cats. |
Nov 10 10:22 |
| tessier |
Glad I didn’t have to pay AMT on my options |
Nov 10 10:28 |
| schestowitz |
An awful lot of spin (suddenly netbooks are /bad/ for GNU/Linux?): http://www.thestandard.com/news/2008/… In another trollish article, some guy call Linux a religion (like Gods and stuff). An insult for attention? |
Nov 10 10:45 |
| MinceR |
he’s in denial |
Nov 10 10:46 |
| MinceR |
microsoft is a religion |
Nov 10 10:46 |
| MinceR |
crApple is a religion |
Nov 10 10:46 |
| MinceR |
FLOSS is technology |
Nov 10 10:46 |
| schestowitz |
Yes. |
Nov 10 10:47 |
| schestowitz |
Which is why I didn’t put the URL here. They use insults to characterise it as something dangerous. I can accept “Linux — and especially GNU — has a partly political agenda”, but religion??? Watch this document from Microsoft (on “Jihad”): http://boycottnovell.com/wp-co… |
Nov 10 10:49 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.stallman.org/archives/2008-sep-d… “The Republicans made a big effort to steal the election by stopping 6 million people from voting. They may have succeeded in stealing the Georgia senate election.” |
Nov 10 10:50 |
| schestowitz |
“Oh!! Those ‘annoying’ Linux users. They don’t accept corruption and they don’t ignore it either.” |
Nov 10 10:51 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.itwire.com/content/view… ( HP recalls tens of thousands of notebook batteries ) |
Nov 10 10:52 |
| schestowitz |
http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=i_hav… “My concession is that I have been too cynical before. I had given up on my country. I had seen too many former friends in the past eight years turn to enemies because they suddenly came out Red (as in Red State) and I would not be a party to their terror-mongering.” |
Nov 10 11:00 |
| schestowitz |
“ |
Nov 10 11:00 |
| schestowitz |
Mind you, this is only the beginning. Do you have any idea how much mopping up we have to do? The Patriot Act, the Iraq War, the housing market crash, the recession, the erosion of personal liberties, the scary-big-number deficit. All of that has to be undone, just to climb back up to where we were eight years ago.” |
Nov 10 11:00 |
| schestowitz |
Finland’s flawed e-voting scheme – blame the voters? < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1… >. I know a company that blames users and third-party developers for problems too. |
Nov 10 11:09 |
| zoobab |
evoting = civil war |
Nov 10 11:28 |
| zoobab |
Obama seemed to have voted on electronic machines according to some pics I saw in a newspaper |
Nov 10 11:28 |
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Nov 10 11:47 |
| schestowitz |
Nicely laid out.. http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/the-open… |
Nov 10 12:12 |
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Nov 10 12:27 |
| seller_liar |
I do not like this project |
Nov 10 12:28 |
| seller_liar |
www.ikvm.net |
Nov 10 12:28 |
| seller_liar |
we need to do the reverse! |
Nov 10 12:28 |
| schestowitz |
“IKVM.NET is an implementation of Java for Mono and the Microsoft .NET Framework. It includes the following components:” |
Nov 10 12:30 |
| seller_liar |
and give good codenames , example “pay me four patentz” |
Nov 10 12:30 |
| seller_liar |
sharp-java |
Nov 10 12:30 |
| schestowitz |
How long was it out for? |
Nov 10 12:30 |
| seller_liar |
a lot of time |
Nov 10 12:30 |
| seller_liar |
a project which does the reverse is a good way to show the m$-novell problems |
Nov 10 12:31 |
| seller_liar |
imbue .net in java |
Nov 10 12:31 |
| seller_liar |
sharp-java |
Nov 10 12:31 |
| seller_liar |
but I’m not a programmer |
Nov 10 12:31 |
| schestowitz |
the site is masked buts seems to be running on Windows .. http://www.ikvm.net/userguide/iNstAll.htmL |
Nov 10 12:32 |
| seller_liar |
I dont like ikvm! |
Nov 10 12:32 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: see Miansoft |
Nov 10 12:32 |
| seller_liar |
Ikvm enslaves java in .net |
Nov 10 12:32 |
| schestowitz |
Mainsoft |
Nov 10 12:32 |
| seller_liar |
but it only works on java ee |
Nov 10 12:34 |
| seller_liar |
not in java se |
Nov 10 12:34 |
| schestowitz |
I’m always suspicious of FOSSy sites that run Windows, such as IKVM.NET |
Nov 10 12:34 |
| seller_liar |
very strange |
Nov 10 12:34 |
| seller_liar |
the site favicon resemble the apache project |
Nov 10 12:34 |
| seller_liar |
this mainsoft software is free ? |
Nov 10 12:35 |
| schestowitz |
How old is this project? |
Nov 10 12:35 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: no it’s not free, AFAIK |
Nov 10 12:35 |
| seller_liar |
I do not know |
Nov 10 12:35 |
| seller_liar |
damn, it’s sad |
Nov 10 12:35 |
| schestowitz |
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.ikvm.net/ |
Nov 10 12:36 |
| schestowitz |
2003: http://web.archive.org/web/2003032004165… |
Nov 10 12:36 |
| schestowitz |
2004: http://web.archive.org/web/20031222194… |
Nov 10 12:36 |
| seller_liar |
five years and java does not have a reverse implementation |
Nov 10 12:36 |
| schestowitz |
Roughly the same since 2005: http://web.archive.org/web/200501… |
Nov 10 12:37 |
| schestowitz |
It doesn’t seem like a big threat. The core which is the Microsoft-controlled Novell is a bigger issue. |
Nov 10 12:37 |
| seller_liar |
but java can explore .net .Enslave net in bytecode |
Nov 10 12:38 |
| seller_liar |
for better java ,not better .net |
Nov 10 12:39 |
| seller_liar |
I’m bit worried because people are uing the .net instead of java |
Nov 10 12:40 |
| seller_liar |
These people is very stupid because , they does not worry about ethical problemas |
Nov 10 12:41 |
| schestowitz |
They don’t know. |
Nov 10 12:41 |
| schestowitz |
Also, Microsoft is whitewashing the media with luring-in messages. |
Nov 10 12:42 |
| schestowitz |
“Microsoft is not against open source” |
Nov 10 12:42 |
| schestowitz |
“Microsoft stresses open source involvement” etc. |
Nov 10 12:42 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: These people does not know nothing about ethical problems |
Nov 10 12:42 |
| schestowitz |
Expect lots more of this in the week to come (well, this week) because of ApacheCon. |
Nov 10 12:42 |
| seller_liar |
These people only worry about money, better and better cars and etc |
Nov 10 12:43 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft pressure journos for such publicity, as I’ve shown a lot recently (also last night) |
Nov 10 12:43 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Nov 10 12:43 |
| schestowitz |
It’s to do with education. |
Nov 10 12:43 |
| schestowitz |
Money comes before everything. |
Nov 10 12:43 |
| schestowitz |
They also cling onto people with money and try to make friends with them, hoping for something in return. |
Nov 10 12:43 |
| seller_liar |
Yes ,I know |
Nov 10 12:44 |
| schestowitz |
THat’s why I like RMS’s attitude. He doesn’t befriend the white-collar money-obsessed people. |
Nov 10 12:44 |
| schestowitz |
You can see lots of the opposite in the likes of Forbes and Fortune. |
Nov 10 12:44 |
| seller_liar |
conquering the personal emotions is the most powerful weapon |
Nov 10 12:44 |
| schestowitz |
Fitzpatrick and Gates are one example… having their ‘flirts’ in the press. |
Nov 10 12:44 |
| schestowitz |
In the same way, Matt Asay (Dana balankenhorn calls him “big money Matt”) is like a infatuated school girl around Tim O’Reilly. |
Nov 10 12:45 |
| schestowitz |
They all dance around the people with money and/or influence , jumping for dollars. You see lots of the same with the likes of Jimmy Wales, Nick Carr… |
Nov 10 12:46 |
| seller_liar |
Jimmy ? of wikipedia? |
Nov 10 12:46 |
| schestowitz |
Watch Andy Updegrove’s blog where he no longer has the picture of him in a t-shirt. |
Nov 10 12:47 |
| schestowitz |
He replaced it with a tight suit picture where he brags having Vint Cerf next to him and a cRapple Mac on his lap. |
Nov 10 12:47 |
| seller_liar |
Ubuntu contains banshee ? |
Nov 10 12:47 |
| schestowitz |
No yet, I think. |
Nov 10 12:47 |
| seller_liar |
This is very good |
Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz |
I thinkg SUSE has it preinstalled, but I’m not sure. |
Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz |
/s/no/not/ thinkg/thin |
Nov 10 12:48 |
| seller_liar |
Because some comments days ago , some user propose to put banshee in uubuntu |
Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz |
Of course. |
Nov 10 12:48 |
| seller_liar |
Beagle now uses kyoto , the qt sharp |
Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz |
Either they don’t care about freedom or they are the Mono boosters we find in Ubuntu Forums. |
Nov 10 12:49 |
| seller_liar |
of course ,qt sharp is optional |
Nov 10 12:49 |
| seller_liar |
Yes ,I know |
Nov 10 12:49 |
| schestowitz |
And Mono ain’t freedom. It’s the technology of freedom hate #1, next to Apple. |
Nov 10 12:49 |
| seller_liar |
Stupid crApple , How people like this company? These people is very stupid |
Nov 10 12:51 |
| seller_liar |
One interesting fact is m$ and apple does not cite the free opensource deficiences |
Nov 10 12:53 |
| seller_liar |
But Apple cites a lot of deficiences of microstupid |
Nov 10 12:53 |
| schestowitz |
Never on a cultural level. The ethical questions matter to neither. |
Nov 10 12:54 |
| seller_liar |
for example |
Nov 10 12:54 |
| seller_liar |
Apple criticises windowz vixta a lot |
Nov 10 12:54 |
| seller_liar |
technically speaking |
Nov 10 12:54 |
| seller_liar |
But m$ and apple does not cite the technical (not ethical) deficiences in freeopensource software |
Nov 10 12:55 |
| seller_liar |
“He does not give a tip for enemy” |
Nov 10 12:56 |
| seller_liar |
Because the enemy is more strong |
Nov 10 12:56 |
| seller_liar |
And criticism is a tip for fixing the problems |
Nov 10 12:57 |
| schestowitz |
They thrive in ‘mainstream’ old media |
Nov 10 12:57 |
| schestowitz |
As that medium dies out, things will get harder for them |
Nov 10 12:57 |
| schestowitz |
Then it’s bloggers that have impact and they BRIBE them. |
Nov 10 12:57 |
| schestowitz |
I think I made a case about it yesterday. |
Nov 10 12:58 |
| seller_liar |
Yes, I see a lot of bloggers cited here |
Nov 10 12:58 |
| schestowitz |
Hy dif these bloggers not review Ubuntu 8.10? |
Nov 10 12:58 |
| seller_liar |
But ,is a lot of bloggers! |
Nov 10 12:58 |
| schestowitz |
No free laptop? |
Nov 10 12:58 |
| schestowitz |
No Sugar Daddy to suck up to? |
Nov 10 12:58 |
| schestowitz |
Why did IDG/IDC not have such raving reviews from bloggers ‘bribed by Canonical’? |
Nov 10 12:59 |
| seller_liar |
I know roy ,I know |
Nov 10 12:59 |
| seller_liar |
I’m not visiting idg and other sites now |
Nov 10 12:59 |
| schestowitz |
It doesn’t matter if lots of bloggers exist, seller_liar. Microsoft ONLY MAKES VISTA 7 AVAILABLE to ones whom it likes. You and me have no access to it. There’s no transparency, so they control public image. |
Nov 10 13:00 |
| seller_liar |
I’m using adblock sometimes |
Nov 10 13:00 |
| seller_liar |
“i do not like 7″ |
Nov 10 13:00 |
| seller_liar |
“If you like 7 ,you gain a copy!” |
Nov 10 13:00 |
| seller_liar |
“I like 7 now” |
Nov 10 13:01 |
| seller_liar |
“Hey people ,I like 7″ |
Nov 10 13:01 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Nov 10 13:01 |
| schestowitz |
But there’s another point. |
Nov 10 13:01 |
| schestowitz |
By giving them gifts they send the message “say good things about us and we’ll give you more” |
Nov 10 13:02 |
| seller_liar |
tell me |
Nov 10 13:02 |
| schestowitz |
It’s like animals. |
Nov 10 13:02 |
| schestowitz |
You ‘bribe’ them with treats. |
Nov 10 13:02 |
| seller_liar |
Yes, that ‘ s it |
Nov 10 13:02 |
| schestowitz |
Mary Jo Foley mailed me about it. |
Nov 10 13:02 |
| schestowitz |
She calls this “reward and punishment”, IIRC |
Nov 10 13:02 |
| seller_liar |
Curiosity to gain a crippled copy ,makes the user change the opinions about 7 sins |
Nov 10 13:02 |
| schestowitz |
If she criticises Microsoft they deny her access to Microsoft people. |
Nov 10 13:03 |
| schestowitz |
The likes of Ina Friendshill become PR agents for them because they get money (access to seniors and all) that way. |
Nov 10 13:03 |
| schestowitz |
Which is precisely why the “religion” analogy applies well to Microsoft, not Free software. |
Nov 10 13:03 |
| seller_liar |
Gives the god blessing for everyone see ,and you gain god gifts |
Nov 10 13:04 |
| MinceR |
someone should write an article on this, titled “Microsoft, The Cult” or something  |
Nov 10 13:05 |
| seller_liar |
Yes, you posted a lot of links,but m$ bribes a lot of bloggers |
Nov 10 13:05 |
| seller_liar |
is very hard to convince people to make a article like this |
Nov 10 13:05 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR: the article already exists. |
Nov 10 13:06 |
| schestowitz |
COmposed internally in fact. http://boycottnovell.com/wp-conte… This is your ‘bible’ Read it, study it. |
Nov 10 13:06 |
| MinceR |
|
Nov 10 13:07 |
| schestowitz |
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/0… |
Nov 10 13:07 |
| schestowitz |
“Many participants and speakers referenced to the OOXML standardisation process, in particular were intrigued by the French AFNOR developments. Generally speakers feel concerned about OOXML to become a standard in governmental procurement. In private a government delegate compared Microsoft’s public affairs methods with the scientology cult.” |
Nov 10 13:07 |
| schestowitz |
MS: 5: “”**Jihad** A Jihad is a road trip. in which an evangelist visits a large number of ISVs one-on-one to convince them to take some specific action. The classic Jihad is one focused on getting Tier A ISVs to commit to supporting a given technology by signing the technology’s Letter of Agreement (LOA – see above).” |
Nov 10 13:08 |
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Nov 10 13:10 |
| seler_liar |
Why microshit uses cab? |
Nov 10 13:18 |
| seler_liar |
I’m trying to use some chm files ,but I have to extract and read |
Nov 10 13:19 |
| MinceR |
because of NIH syndrome |
Nov 10 13:19 |
| seler_liar |
NIH? |
Nov 10 13:21 |
| seler_liar |
about this |
Nov 10 13:21 |
| seler_liar |
remember? |
Nov 10 13:22 |
| seler_liar |
http://www.kyzer.me.uk/essays/giflzw/ |
Nov 10 13:22 |
| seler_liar |
the gif case of patents |
Nov 10 13:22 |
| MinceR |
Not Invented Here |
Nov 10 13:22 |
| schestowitz |
GIF ought to have been banned from WWW. |
Nov 10 13:24 |
| schestowitz |
They always sought patents-free ingredients. |
Nov 10 13:24 |
| schestowitz |
But PNG wasn’t out yet… |
Nov 10 13:24 |
| seler_liar |
m$ does not like png |
Nov 10 13:25 |
| seler_liar |
and svg too |
Nov 10 13:25 |
| seler_liar |
vrml is the eee version of svg |
Nov 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz |
There should a policy along the lines of “you patent technology x, then x will be shunned”. |
Nov 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz |
seler_liar: I’ll write about SVG this afternoon |
Nov 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz |
http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?titl… |
Nov 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz |
“Point three: Silverlight, as noted in its Wikipedia page, is also intended as an SVG-killer. This isn’t just bad news; it’s a tragedy. All modern web browsers except Microsoft Internet Explorer support and render SVG markup directly. If SVG was supported cross-platform, you’d see a new, beautiful web begin to form, where AJAX combines with SVG to create a Flash replacement. You’d see as much of a leap in web design with SVG as we |
Nov 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz |
saw with AJAX. Score: 2 bad, 1 good.” |
Nov 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz |
IOW, Microsoft saw a powerful standard and it had to replace it with a proprietary one. |
Nov 10 13:26 |
| schestowitz |
It also shoved VML down ISO’s throat with OOXML. Part of the Great Crime of 2006-2008. |
Nov 10 13:26 |
| seler_liar |
Yes,the very old strategies of microsoft |
Nov 10 13:29 |
| seler_liar |
Because this ,I do not like permissive licences |
Nov 10 13:29 |
| seler_liar |
http://www.adequacy.org/public/storie… |
Nov 10 13:31 |
| seler_liar |
big text about micro$oft |
Nov 10 13:32 |
| schestowitz |
Ah.. |
Nov 10 13:32 |
| schestowitz |
The Second Coming, eh? Stories were written about how much money Microsoft spent manipulating the media at the time. |
Nov 10 13:33 |
| seler_liar |
but this text is a bit old |
Nov 10 13:33 |
| schestowitz |
And in 1998 Microsoft stopped being profitable I hear. |
Nov 10 13:33 |
| schestowitz |
Lost $18bn that year, according to The Economist. Gates resigned from his post |
Nov 10 13:33 |
| seler_liar |
this is good |
Nov 10 13:34 |
| seler_liar |
Vole must die! |
Nov 10 13:34 |
| seler_liar |
I live in hope |
Nov 10 13:37 |
| seler_liar |
about stupid m$ cab formats |
Nov 10 13:37 |
| seler_liar |
http://www.kyzer.me.uk/pack/convlit/ |
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Nov 10 14:40 |
| twitter |
Circuit City is bankrupt, http://www.reuters.com/article/d… |
Nov 10 14:54 |
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Nov 10 14:57 |
| schestowitz |
They used Linux in the tills. |
Nov 10 14:58 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.linux.com/feature/38059 http://www.screaming-penguin.com/node/3659 |
Nov 10 14:59 |
| schestowitz |
If only they were smart enough to VEND it. |
Nov 10 14:59 |
| kentma |
Circuit city didn’t have any linux machines in the shops I looked at. |
Nov 10 14:59 |
| kentma |
They didn’t even stock the N770/800/810 web tablets… |
Nov 10 15:00 |
| kentma |
let alone an Asus Eee |
Nov 10 15:00 |
| twitter |
They were part of the M$ Vendor chain, like CompUSA |
Nov 10 15:00 |
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Nov 10 15:00 |
| kentma |
ah, I didn’t realise that. They appeared to have acquired some of the old Tandy store sites – did MS buy-up Tandy? |
Nov 10 15:01 |
| kentma |
Sorry, it was Radio Shack in the US. |
Nov 10 15:01 |
| kentma |
and Canada. |
Nov 10 15:01 |
| schestowitz |
Is Dixons evolving yet? They complained about VIsta. |
Nov 10 15:07 |
| schestowitz |
They got ChannelStuffed(C) by defective computers saddled by the VistaBug. |
Nov 10 15:07 |
| kentma |
Well, they’ve dumped the Dixons high-street name altogether now |
Nov 10 15:07 |
| schestowitz |
*with |
Nov 10 15:07 |
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Nov 10 15:32 |
| twitter |
” Oddly enough, beyond service offerings like Circuit City’s Firedog and Best Buy’s GeekSquad, DVDs are one of the last profit margin frontiers for retailers. But even that party can’t last forever.” M$ friendly fool, August 2007 http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2007/08/… |
Nov 10 15:33 |
| _doug |
Harry Tuttle, Brazil .. freelance repairman and assassin .. |
Nov 10 15:34 |
| twitter |
Roughly Drafted summed up the retail situation well, http://slashdot.org/~twitter/jo… |
Nov 10 15:35 |
| harrytuttle |
_doug |
Nov 10 15:36 |
| twitter |
M$’s monopoly made hardware a “commodity” |
Nov 10 15:36 |
| _doug |
Hey Harry … |
Nov 10 15:36 |
| twitter |
Tuttle, “We’re all in this together” |
Nov 10 15:36 |
| harrytuttle |
yeah, thats the catch-phrase of my blog .. were all in IT together |
Nov 10 15:36 |
| twitter |
Buttle’s body bag and bill were for him and his family alone. |
Nov 10 15:37 |
| twitter |
Helpless and divided, we are all Buttle. |
Nov 10 15:38 |
| _doug |
don’t forget your 27B/6 .. |
Nov 10 15:38 |
| harrytuttle |
just here to mention that Roy’s doing a great job counting the bribes |
Nov 10 15:38 |
| _doug |
bribes, don’t you meant consultancy fees |
Nov 10 15:39 |
| _doug |
… Bloody paperwork |
Nov 10 15:40 |
| twitter |
CompUSA, Circuit City and other retail failures are showing that the Windows monopoly only worked well for M$. The others colluded but drowned in a sea of shallow margins. With them gone and unable to sabotage things like EEE PC, hardware makers will increasingly turn to free software to differentiate themselves. |
Nov 10 15:41 |
| _doug |
later .. |
Nov 10 15:44 |
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Nov 10 15:44 |
| schestowitz |
I agree on the point of commodity. Microsoft: the Lada of computers. Just make sure your wheels stay on when you drive… |
Nov 10 15:53 |
| MinceR |
ladas aren’t _that_ bad |
Nov 10 15:54 |
| twitter |
AIG, “burns through cash at a record rate” translation, stuffing tax money in pocket as fast as they can. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news… |
Nov 10 15:59 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR: it was an analogy. |
Nov 10 16:00 |
| schestowitz |
Is there some island in this world that remains isolated from the Global Corruption? |
Nov 10 16:00 |
| schestowitz |
Iceland got whacked, despite being seemingly isolated. |
Nov 10 16:01 |
| MinceR |
it probably wasn’t all that isolated |
Nov 10 16:01 |
| MinceR |
i need to buy an island and start a new kind of society |
Nov 10 16:01 |
| schestowitz |
harrytuttle: watch them trying to slink away… http://boycottnovell.com/2008/11/09/harry… |
Nov 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR: it’s too hard without imports, so you develop global dependency sooner or later. |
Nov 10 16:05 |
| MinceR |
that’s why all menial labor must be automatized |
Nov 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz |
[unless you live in caves without medicine or machinery] |
Nov 10 16:06 |
| MinceR |
and produce everything |
Nov 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe you need to travel to Peru or Mongolia or something for a while. RMS seems fond of such places where culture trumps money to an extent.. |
Nov 10 16:06 |
| MinceR |
though some imports don’t necessarily mean dependency |
Nov 10 16:06 |
| MinceR |
as long as you can get resources from many sources |
Nov 10 16:07 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR: you need to export in exchange for the import. |
Nov 10 16:07 |
| twitter |
Circuit City was looted last year. Bonuses to executives, pink slips for worker bees. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=0… |
Nov 10 16:07 |
| schestowitz |
That’s what happened in Africa ATM, but they mostly get exploited (low wages) |
Nov 10 16:07 |
| schestowitz |
And Chairman Gates helps the murder of Nigerian children: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01… |
Nov 10 16:08 |
| twitter |
Interesting, Circuit City was migrating to Suse in 2004 http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?… |
Nov 10 16:09 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: wait until next year. It gets worse, according to predictions. The key now is cherishment (is that a word?) of culture and society, not the Mighty Green Buck. |
Nov 10 16:09 |
| twitter |
that sounds better, not worse. |
Nov 10 16:09 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: they used it, not sold it. Anyway, less revenue for NOVL now. |
Nov 10 16:09 |
| twitter |
Ballmer SMASH Novell, SMASH Circuit City |
Nov 10 16:10 |
| twitter |
the problem is that the looters got all the money and the rest of us get to cherish what’s left |
Nov 10 16:10 |
| twitter |
M$’s actions are clearly criminal and responsible for the retail collapse. These chains have been losing money for years, it’s not just the credit crunch. |
Nov 10 16:12 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: well, the divide (economical) expands in western society. |
Nov 10 16:15 |
| schestowitz |
I wonder what this means to distribution of wealth between the east and west, north and south. |
Nov 10 16:15 |
| schestowitz |
One sure thing is that there is plenty of opportunities to ‘recruit’ people to join the cause of Freedom now. People want change when they are unhappy or unemployed (therefore finding time to ask questions and pursue solutions). The monopolists know this and that’s why they put suppressive laws in place… policing. |
Nov 10 16:17 |
| twitter |
Got a link to Jim Alchin’s “we have to slaughter Novell before they get to strong” statement? |
Nov 10 16:22 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Nov 10 16:25 |
| schestowitz |
http://edge-op.org/iowa/www.iowacon… |
Nov 10 16:26 |
| schestowitz |
“We must slow down Novell. The strongest action that we could take would be to include networking with Windows for essentially a zero uplift in price (maybe minor COGS uplift). As you said Bill, it has to be dramatic.” |
Nov 10 16:26 |
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Nov 10 16:27 |
| _doug |
http://www.alexa.com/dat… |
Nov 10 16:27 |
| twitter |
thanks |
Nov 10 16:27 |
| twitter |
I thought there was a more recent quote, about 2002. |
Nov 10 16:28 |
| schestowitz |
_doug: it’s useless. |
Nov 10 16:29 |
| schestowitz |
Alex is IE/MS |
Nov 10 16:29 |
| schestowitz |
In BN, only about 12% use IE |
Nov 10 16:29 |
| schestowitz |
Netcraft ranks us 3700th. Groklaw is 1200th, for comparison. |
Nov 10 16:29 |
| _doug |
The OOXML Spec http://fanaticattack.com/wp-content/u… |
Nov 10 16:31 |
| _doug |
What’s this about ? |
Nov 10 16:34 |
| _doug |
http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/10… |
Nov 10 16:34 |
| _doug |
‘Who would have imagined, I asked the audience at NXT, a future in which Microsoft would publish – on a Microsoft web property no less – articles such as “Installing Apache on Windows”‘ |
Nov 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz |
Looks like someone sogrady says “boycott_novell” |
Nov 10 16:38 |
| _doug |
http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2008/03… |
Nov 10 16:38 |
| _doug |
sounds totally unbiased to me |
Nov 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz |
|
Nov 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz |
Well, they need business. |
Nov 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz |
it’s a tough economy, you know? |
Nov 10 16:38 |
| schestowitz |
Forget about who you do business with: http://boycottnovell.com/microsoft… |
Nov 10 16:39 |
| _doug |
“No one questions the need to acquire software patents, to be sure. Whether you love the current system or hate it as I do, it will punish vendors that do not acquire software patents at least for defensive purposes” |
Nov 10 16:40 |
| _doug |
who uses the phrase defensive patents ? |
Nov 10 16:40 |
| schestowitz |
Haha. Microsoft still threatens to say FLOSS. IBM did business with the Germans, so.. |
Nov 10 16:40 |
| schestowitz |
_doug: monopolists use this word. |
Nov 10 16:40 |
| schestowitz |
“defensive” That’s how they market it. |
Nov 10 16:41 |
| _doug |
Regarding paid-for consulatacies, if you repeatidly trash your customers in public, you end up not having any .. |
Nov 10 16:41 |
| schestowitz |
They perceive it a guarantee though. When they go dim like Avistar or SCO, then they start suing. |
Nov 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz |
“Defensive guns”. Guns defend people. |
Nov 10 16:42 |
| _doug |
“Redmonk: Microsoft most important company in RSS” |
Nov 10 16:42 |
| _doug |
http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2363 |
Nov 10 16:42 |
| schestowitz |
Bear in mind that Microsoft whine about being sued by trolls. Well, there is _NO SUCH THING_ as defensive patents against trolls. They haven’t products. |
Nov 10 16:43 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.redmonk.com/jgovernor/ar… “The requested URL /jgovernor/archives.html/001178.html was not found on this server.” “The A-list may prefer pure web-based solutions but the Vista wave will take feeds into the mainstream….” |
Nov 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz |
Redmond (2006): “Vista wave will take feeds into the mainstream….” |
Nov 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* |
Nov 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz |
What is Vista? I hear some things about a Vista 7 thingie. |
Nov 10 16:46 |
| schestowitz |
Redmon[d|k] |
Nov 10 16:46 |
| _doug |
The A-list may prefer pure web-based solutions but the Vista wave will take feeds into the mainstream…. allowing Metcalfe’s Law to kick in. |
Nov 10 16:47 |
| _doug |
Remember when Microsoft adopted TCP/IP? HTML? XML? |
Nov 10 16:47 |
| _doug |
Embrace, extend, and explode the market. |
Nov 10 16:47 |
| _doug |
If feeds are to move into the mainstream its going to need offerings packaged for both mainstream consumer and enterprise users. I just can’t see anyone else out there set up to provide such a package. |
Nov 10 16:47 |
| _doug |
IBM? Apparently doesn’t want to build a Microsoft client alternative, not one that will touch consumers anyway. Maybe if IBM does something like this it will be in the game. |
Nov 10 16:48 |
| _doug |
I have a post in mind about why Vista is going to be major launch, like Win 95, which not even the Microsoft Vista team seems to believe. But its not the OS that will sell the OS, its the integrated handling of standard specifications that will sell the OS |
Nov 10 16:48 |
| _doug |
_doug says: predicting the future is always difficult .. |
Nov 10 16:49 |
| _doug |
So this post is really just a flameholder. Or maybe a prediction for early 07 |
Nov 10 16:49 |
| _doug |
Longhorn was technology in search of a set of use cases. Vista on the other hand, will be technology packaged to fulfil a set of use cases, loosely defined as Web 2.0. That’s a big difference. |
Nov 10 16:49 |
| _doug |
Disclaimer: IBM, Microsoft and Sun are clients. Google and Apple are not. |
Nov 10 16:50 |
| _doug |
posted at January 6, 2006 |
Nov 10 16:52 |
| _doug |
http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog/bl… |
Nov 10 16:52 |
| _doug |
I predict: small embedded Internet aware devices will be huge, the real money will be made providing online services and content .. |
Nov 10 16:54 |
| _doug |
whoever owns the Intertubes will have a license to make money .. |
Nov 10 16:54 |
| schestowitz |
_doug: Microsoft has patents on RSS |
Nov 10 16:58 |
| schestowitz |
There was an outrage at the time, EEE being cited as a reason as well. |
Nov 10 16:58 |
| schestowitz |
EEE is not a side effect; it’s a strategy (watch the Halloween Document). They are, in principle, against standard protocols that work across platforms. |
Nov 10 16:58 |
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