03.20.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 19th, 2009 – Part 2
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| PetoKraus | maybe conficker was a bad example | Mar 19 18:13 |
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| PetoKraus | but pifts.exe is a prime | Mar 19 18:13 |
| PetoKraus | yeah, norton is taking some flak | Mar 19 18:13 |
| PetoKraus | but… who knows about it, from the people who actually buy norton? | Mar 19 18:13 |
| MinceR | symantec deserves all the flak they can get. | Mar 19 18:13 |
| PetoKraus | no one in my shop knew until i told them | Mar 19 18:13 |
| balzac | Microsoft acts as if they’re the clean and corporate company but they’re actually the enablers of the security racketeers, spammers, enterprise-scale fraud operations, and DOS bot-nets which are used to extort enterprises which guarantee 99.9999% uptime. | Mar 19 18:14 |
| MinceR | btw, it isn’t norton | Mar 19 18:15 |
| MinceR | “In 1990, Norton sold his company to Symantec.” | Mar 19 18:15 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Norton | Mar 19 18:15 |
| PetoKraus | well | Mar 19 18:15 |
| PetoKraus | the product is still called norton antivirus | Mar 19 18:15 |
| balzac | back in the day, these AV companies started out as honest operations | Mar 19 18:15 |
| balzac | now they’re protection racketeers working in tandem with Microsoft who refuses to secure their operating system | Mar 19 18:15 |
| balzac | poor peter norton probably doesn’t deserve the misfortune of having his name attached to that dubious “product/service” anymore. | Mar 19 18:16 |
| PetoKraus | well, probably not | Mar 19 18:16 |
| PetoKraus | tough luck then | Mar 19 18:16 |
| balzac | Maybe he gets royalties for the use of the name, but it’s a very shady kind of business nowadays. | Mar 19 18:17 |
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| balzac | If GNU/Linux suffers any significant viral or worm/trojan issues in the future, it will be the work of companies like Novell building design flaws into their desktop environment. | Mar 19 18:19 |
| PetoKraus | that’s too bold a statement | Mar 19 18:19 |
| balzac | Better to go with a light window-manager and avoid the fancy indexing and meta-data services. | Mar 19 18:20 |
| balzac | PetoKraus: Gnome and KDE are getting pretty fancy and bloated. I’m sure these kinds of desktop environments have more vulnerabilities than light window managers. | Mar 19 18:20 |
| balzac | also, its the rich-media support | Mar 19 18:21 |
| PetoKraus | well i don’t care that much about these two | Mar 19 18:21 |
| balzac | watch out for the codec-support for proprietary codecs, things like flash, mono, and other junk. | Mar 19 18:21 |
| balzac | those bring vulnerabilities | Mar 19 18:21 |
| PetoKraus | i tend to use quite alternative apps | Mar 19 18:22 |
| balzac | uneccessary and commercially-oriented daemons should be removed | Mar 19 18:23 |
| balzac | It would suck if when GNU/Linux finally gets a huge amount of market-share, if it is badly implemented in such a way as to create vulnerabilities so Microsofties can say “I told you so” after some outbreak. | Mar 19 18:24 |
| PetoKraus | there is quite a lot of watchdogs | Mar 19 18:24 |
| PetoKraus | while i disagree with the Xorg management on the factual direction they are taking | Mar 19 18:25 |
| MinceR | that’s part of why the community should distance itself from novell/suse and stuff like that | Mar 19 18:25 |
| *schestowitz thinks he got server load under control now. very, very stripped down though | Mar 19 18:26 | |
| PetoKraus | gah man | Mar 19 18:26 |
| balzac | The evolution packages and JRE would also concern me. | Mar 19 18:26 |
| PetoKraus | i have to admit there’s 472 unread posts in my BN feed | Mar 19 18:26 |
| PetoKraus | but i feel you should change your webhost. honestly | Mar 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | We have like 6500 in total, iirc | Mar 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: that’s the plan | Mar 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | but it’s expensive | Mar 19 18:27 |
| PetoKraus | i know | Mar 19 18:27 |
| PetoKraus | how much traffic do you get/ | Mar 19 18:27 |
| balzac | Not to mention the “web 2.0″ integration schemes like Adobe Air and assorted, networked run time environments. | Mar 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I want to at leave serve *seomthing* for the time being | Mar 19 18:27 |
| PetoKraus | ? | Mar 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Without getting ‘thrown out’ (politely contacted) for high loads | Mar 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | ALmost 300 queries/sec | Mar 19 18:28 |
| schestowitz | We had very cpu-heavy pages | Mar 19 18:28 |
| balzac | driver blobs are also another area of potential vulnerability | Mar 19 18:28 |
| PetoKraus | well | Mar 19 18:29 |
| PetoKraus | there we stand on a slippy ground | Mar 19 18:29 |
| PetoKraus | ati drivers being developed mainly at novell | Mar 19 18:29 |
| balzac | fluendo and other assorted garbage doesn’t belong on a secure computer | Mar 19 18:29 |
| PetoKraus | what’s fluendo | Mar 19 18:29 |
| balzac | well, screw ATI and Novell | Mar 19 18:29 |
| PetoKraus | well, screw ati, screw nvidia, you’re left with intel | Mar 19 18:30 |
| balzac | it’s an “open source” implementation of support for some proprietary codec(s) | Mar 19 18:30 |
| balzac | and screw intel too | Mar 19 18:30 |
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| balzac | AMD, Via, Arm, Longsoon exist | Mar 19 18:30 |
| balzac | The biggest and oldest manufacturers are the most contemptuous of their customers | Mar 19 18:31 |
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| PetoKraus | ati = amd | Mar 19 18:31 |
| balzac | Gamer-types from Digg.com will be the ones who have relatively insecure variants of GNU/Linux | Mar 19 18:32 |
| PetoKraus | via has pish support | Mar 19 18:32 |
| PetoKraus | in terms of almost anything | Mar 19 18:32 |
| PetoKraus | and arm and longsoon, well, good luck on that | Mar 19 18:32 |
| balzac | gamers who’ve got to have all their fancy rich media support, who are indiscriminant in both choices of software licenses and hardware manufacturers | Mar 19 18:32 |
| PetoKraus | that’s not true | Mar 19 18:32 |
| PetoKraus | i’m prime example of the opposite, though not a heavy gamer | Mar 19 18:32 |
| balzac | I’m just saying, when GNU/Linux goes big, it will probably become somewhat vulnerable due to all of this proprietary stuff from uncooperative companies – the big ones. | Mar 19 18:33 |
| balzac | but your basic GNU/Linux will remain quite secure. | Mar 19 18:34 |
| PetoKraus | well i don’t care much | Mar 19 18:34 |
| PetoKraus | i don’t care about the big ones that much | Mar 19 18:34 |
| PetoKraus | that is Canonical and Novell | Mar 19 18:34 |
| PetoKraus | Red Hat, well, i guess they won’t get under pressure | Mar 19 18:34 |
| PetoKraus | as i’m using community developed distro, it’s us who are making it | Mar 19 18:34 |
| PetoKraus | i am not worried. At all. | Mar 19 18:35 |
| balzac | Novell and Redhat like to have some DRM so they can limit the number of processors you can run their cripplenux on. | Mar 19 18:35 |
| PetoKraus | well the truth is, if novell and redhat just disappeared, it wouldn’t be good for the development of many things | Mar 19 18:35 |
| balzac | That’s probably why Linus won’t upgrade to GPLv3, because it would be a deal-breaker for deals like the HP/Redhat/NYSE deal. | Mar 19 18:35 |
| balzac | Redhat should stop using DRM to limit the number of processors for their Enterprise OS | Mar 19 18:36 |
| balzac | they should find a better way to collect their revenue | Mar 19 18:36 |
| balzac | like support and innovation, for example. | Mar 19 18:37 |
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| zer0c00l | community powered Gnu/linux books http://www.fsf.org/blogs/com… | Mar 19 18:41 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | zer0c00l: its about dam time | Mar 19 18:42 |
| balzac | zer0c00l: you had some drupal related questions? Feel free to /msg or join ##bawd to discuss | Mar 19 18:42 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | zer0c00l: its not likely they could have released one based on the XO-1 OLPC software in a tablet factor that could have beat the Kindle to the punch | Mar 19 18:43 |
| MinceR | AIR bothers me less than flash does. | Mar 19 18:43 |
| MinceR | at least AIR stays out of the browser. | Mar 19 18:43 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | but then again its not really top priority for many within the community to have something like that | Mar 19 18:43 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | and I am off on a wrong tangent | Mar 19 18:44 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 |  |
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| Carl_Rover2k12 | whoa is me, anyway its nice to see a new manual coming out, maybe it can now make its run across campuss and other education courses | Mar 19 18:44 |
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| balzac | zer0c00l: You mentioned the Garland theme for Drupal. I recommend Acquia Marina instead. | Mar 19 18:45 |
| balzac | but that’s offtopic, so if you want any tips or questions answered, feel free to ask. | Mar 19 18:47 |
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| *schestowitz blocks googlebots | Mar 19 18:54 | |
| zer0c00l | balzac: ok | Mar 19 18:55 |
| zer0c00l |  |
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| zer0c00l | will try Acquia Marina | Mar 19 18:55 |
| zer0c00l | balzac:thanks | Mar 19 18:55 |
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| zer0c00l | gn | Mar 19 18:55 |
| balzac | It has nice support for drop-down menus built in | Mar 19 18:56 |
| balzac | also, check out the panels module | Mar 19 18:56 |
| zer0c00l | pannel module? | Mar 19 18:56 |
| balzac | to escape from the default theme layout | Mar 19 18:56 |
| balzac | panels 2, drupal 6 | Mar 19 18:56 |
| balzac | views 2, cck | Mar 19 18:56 |
| balzac | those are important contrib modules to add to any Drupal site | Mar 19 18:57 |
| zer0c00l | got it http://drupal.org/project/panels | Mar 19 18:57 |
| balzac | ok </offtopic> | Mar 19 18:57 |
| zer0c00l | yeah i have added cck and views,conference,email registration | Mar 19 18:57 |
| zer0c00l | yes off topic | Mar 19 18:57 |
| zer0c00l | :p | Mar 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | maybe “social” | Mar 19 18:57 |
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| zer0c00l | schestowitz will kick us | Mar 19 18:57 |
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| balzac | it’s nice that boycottnovell has a social side-channel | Mar 19 18:58 |
| balzac | because this is where it’s at on freenode | Mar 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Is there a way to tell crawlers just to temporariily stop? | Mar 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I don’t want to denyall | Mar 19 18:59 |
| balzac | well, apart from venerable channels like #gnu #fsf #emacs etc. | Mar 19 18:59 |
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| trmanco | another project moves to GIT -> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/deve… this time GNOME | Mar 19 18:59 |
| zer0c00l | ok balzac,schestowitz,bn gn | Mar 19 18:59 |
| balzac | schestowitz: you’re editing robots.txt or .htaccess ? | Mar 19 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: either | Mar 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | The search engines invoke many pages | Mar 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Like a quarter of a million so far this month | Mar 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | even with 15k a day, that’s a lot of DB queries | Mar 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 100 each | Mar 19 19:00 |
| balzac | .htaccess will give you more controll than robots.txt | Mar 19 19:00 |
| schestowitz | For just search engines | Mar 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I want to instruct and not block | Mar 19 19:01 |
| schestowitz | And blocking can get me off the SEs | Mar 19 19:01 |
| trmanco | why do some people call this channel and “ICQ” channel? | Mar 19 19:02 |
| balzac | if you want to control when crawlers can crawl, you could make a shell script to swap .htaccess files at various times by changing file names in the manner of a simple log-rotating shell script. | Mar 19 19:02 |
| trmanco | does the troll wan’t to get bashed or what? | Mar 19 19:02 |
| balzac | if you want to control which robots, I guess you’ll need to add some regex code for user-agent discrimination and use rewrite rules to redirect | Mar 19 19:02 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: who does? Trolls? | Mar 19 19:03 |
| trmanco | yeah, flatty | Mar 19 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Stupid trolls, ignore them | Mar 19 19:03 |
| schestowitz | balzac: is there no <meta> to tell them pages won’t change? | Mar 19 19:04 |
| balzac | http://www.google.com/search?q=.htac… | Mar 19 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Cause they don’t need to revisit pages | Mar 19 19:04 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I do | Mar 19 19:04 |
| trmanco | I was justing saying | Mar 19 19:04 |
| trmanco | just* | Mar 19 19:05 |
| balzac | schestowitz: they’re taxing your server by crawling static content? | Mar 19 19:05 |
| balzac | It might be worth allowing it to continue, because what if their indexed data expires if the crawlers can’t touch-base with your content? | Mar 19 19:05 |
| schestowitz | balzac: yes | Mar 19 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Unless I can reduce it, we might be pulled again | Mar 19 19:08 |
| schestowitz | What a nuisance. | Mar 19 19:08 |
| balzac | get a slicehost or mosso account | Mar 19 19:08 |
| schestowitz | It’s actually more like 40k pages/day, inc. SEs | Mar 19 19:08 |
| schestowitz | or 3-40 | Mar 19 19:08 |
| schestowitz | *30 | Mar 19 19:08 |
| schestowitz | It was a lot more in January when we had lots more trouble, despite CORAL | Mar 19 19:09 |
| balzac | i just figured you didn’t mind your server going down once in a while | Mar 19 19:09 |
| balzac | when there’s some URL that’s so interesting that people have to put up mirrors on Digg, it makes more excitement | Mar 19 19:09 |
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| balzac | I’m partial to slicehost, but Mosso accounts scale according to demand | Mar 19 19:11 |
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| balzac | Roy, you’ve got so much traffic. When are you going to start collecting users into a forum? You could be like Kevin Rose, but much cooler. | Mar 19 19:15 |
| schestowitz | balzac: this is like a bit of a form, but much cooler (real time) | Mar 19 19:16 |
| balzac | Set up Drupal and let us have accounts. | Mar 19 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know if I regain control of the server now | Mar 19 19:16 |
| balzac | well… if I had your traffic, I would build the ultimate free software community. | Mar 19 19:16 |
| schestowitz | It’s annoying when you have lots to write (news), but instead you babysit the server | Mar 19 19:16 |
| balzac | I own gnucrew.com | Mar 19 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I got server load down, but mysql load keeps going up | Mar 19 19:16 |
| balzac | get a scalable hosting account | Mar 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | balzac: nice domain | Mar 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I try | Mar 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | But in the mean time I want BN to stay onlone | Mar 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | (line | Mar 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | I see people get vital info on things like MS-Abramoff, EDGI, etc. | Mar 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | The archives are where it’s at. | Mar 19 19:17 |
| balzac | yeah, maybe we could partner up – I develop, you bring traffic, we share the domain name with some kind of contract with a trustee arrangement. | Mar 19 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Just what is the big problem with Linux? < http://www.itwire.com/content… > | Mar 19 19:18 |
| schestowitz | balzac: maybe. | Mar 19 19:18 |
| balzac | I wouldn’t ask anyone to be a partner if I controlled the domain alone because that would be a sucker’s deal. | Mar 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | PJ has mathfox (Peter) helping her out with the server, not just comments, but usually BN just runs OK | Mar 19 19:19 |
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| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: most of those aside from the Games part seems to be a bit off, there are a ton of drivers and apps out there, its just alient to Windows user when it comes to the methods of installing them. Then most which have tar packages or self installers are either out of date or have to subscribe to their service to download and pay for | Mar 19 19:21 |
| balzac | Also, my friend Tony Mobily who runs FreeSoftwareMagazine.com is the guy who developed the Drigg module. Maybe continued development on Drigg for Drupal 6 could be subsidized a bit and it would be the ultimate website for GNU geeks. | Mar 19 19:21 |
| balzac | The Drigg module makes Drupal work like Digg.com, except that it’s based on Drupal so it has all those incredible contributed modules. | Mar 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: agreed. | Mar 19 19:22 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: for example I am a bit dissapointed that one has to get the newest ISO and do a full re-install and probably reformat to install the latest YDL 6.1 because the easier way is to download the nessisary updates through the “Enhanced” repository | Mar 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I don’t know what’s up with mysq | Mar 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | It did Ok in previous months when bot requested about half a million pages/month | Mar 19 19:22 |
| balzac | Sometimes a CMS has some big ugly queries that need to be optimized. | Mar 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | So maybe it’s something else | Mar 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Like something malicious hammering on them | Mar 19 19:23 |
| balzac | You should edit my.cnf to log all your queries to syslog | Mar 19 19:23 |
| balzac | but you’d have to have your own server to edit my.cnf | Mar 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Or I could disable logging, I think | Mar 19 19:23 |
| balzac | maybe you just need to raise the memory limits | Mar 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | the host won’t allow it though | Mar 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw disabled all logging for performance. | Mar 19 19:23 |
| balzac | well, make it log first just for diagnostic purposes, then disable | Mar 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I think that’s it | Mar 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Memery limits | Mar 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | When it went bad I got the impression they removed those | Mar 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | After putting them in years ago | Mar 19 19:24 |
| balzac | yeah, well you’re using wordpress for a pretty big site. I’d be using Drupal with memcache and optimized apache and mysql configurations if I had that much traffic. | Mar 19 19:24 |
| balzac | on a virtual private server, definitely not shared hosting. | Mar 19 19:25 |
| balzac | maybe a mosso account since it can scale automatically | Mar 19 19:25 |
| schestowitz | De Icaza celebrates port to Windows: http://tirania.org/blog/archi… | Mar 19 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | British International Motor Show cancelled < http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… > | Mar 19 19:29 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: nice cross platforming may do for desktop OSs as it has done for the console market | Mar 19 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: the concern is that he spreads Mono and .NET | Mar 19 19:30 |
| schestowitz | He helps Microsoft establish a ‘standard’ it controls | Mar 19 19:30 |
| schestowitz | [not the mention patents] | Mar 19 19:30 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: thats stupid (British Motorcar), at least in the US car shows and things of the sort become more popular during recessions as people want a more affordable way to go out and be amongst luxuries they cannot afford to own | Mar 19 19:30 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: but thats a trojan horse to always watch out for when crossing between commercial and GNU | Mar 19 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Indeed. | Mar 19 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: re: cars article, that’s just to do with another concern (not technology) that I fear would be far more important | Mar 19 19:32 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: and that would be? | Mar 19 19:34 |
| schestowitz | More of a symptom, not quite the outcome just yet. That’s why doing things like migrating to VPS is something to be weary of. | Mar 19 19:35 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: I just use proxies, or tor at times | Mar 19 19:39 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: do you have a VPN setup between a client and router? | Mar 19 19:40 |
| schestowitz | No, I don’t use VPN | Mar 19 19:40 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: I guess that would mostly address privacy from local packet sniffing and filtering out malware, but not complete privacy while surfing the web. Are you insinuating as more clients use VPSs it will be harder for journalists to get the scoop on anything? | Mar 19 19:47 |
| schestowitz | I don’t quite follow | Mar 19 19:48 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: me neither, I am wondering what do you mean about an article concerning the cancelation of a venue effect being the symptom of something | Mar 19 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Oh, *that* | Mar 19 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Symptom of a problem, not the problem itself. | Mar 19 19:49 |
| schestowitz | People don’t really care if ‘some event’ gets called off, but what few realise that it’s a very bad sign that’s a prelude to more | Mar 19 19:50 |
| schestowitz | People with hands closer to treasury know the picture better. Only recently did a local paper expose that national debt in the UK, for example, is over $50k per person | Mar 19 19:50 |
| Carl_Rover2k12 | @schestowitz: we will see if more events are called off across the globe and if banks lower their interest rates gradually | Mar 19 19:52 |
| trmanco | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/com… | Mar 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Carl_Rover2k12: Novell’s SLE 11 might be out within days | Mar 19 19:59 |
| schestowitz | [after heavy layoffs, before more] | Mar 19 19:59 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft ghets away with Intel collusion: Judge: ‘Vista Capable’ PC buyers haven’t proven Microsoft deceived < http://www.techflash.com/microsof… >. hard to fight MS lawyers, eh? | Mar 19 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Andy, like PJ, seems to be having some CMS pains with the now-aging Geeklog: Geeklog and the Joys (Sigh) of Software Upgrading < http://www.consortiuminfo.org/stand… > | Mar 19 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Justice Secretary Jack Straw to be Accused on Torture in Parliamentary Inquiry < http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives… > | Mar 19 20:26 |
| schestowitz | What is Google doing?!?! March Madness! YouTube Gets Live Video Via Silverlight < http://newteevee.com/2009/03/19/ma… > | Mar 19 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Sirius Founder Says The Company Is Screwed < http://techdirt.com/articles/… > | Mar 19 20:32 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, “CBS has embedded its Silverlight March Madness bracket and live game coverage directly onto a YouTube channel.” | Mar 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Still….. | Mar 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Might as well treat is like malicious .exe files on YouTube. | Mar 19 20:34 |
| trmanco | they are, so don’t go there | Mar 19 20:35 |
| trmanco | :-p | Mar 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Watch this photo: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/we… | Mar 19 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I have some rogue bots hammering on schestowitz.com *sigh* | Mar 19 20:37 |
| schestowitz | I spend too much time on maintenance. |
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| schestowitz | I also need to upgrade two WP blogs this weekend… because I don’t run LTS-ish version | Mar 19 20:38 |
| schestowitz | “The New York Times recently reported that some economists now think 2009 might be “like 1929, but worse.” http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=551 | Mar 19 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Do you guys think that if I move the server I should look at the possibility of rewriting boycottnovell.com URLs and mapping these onto another site name? | Mar 19 20:49 |
| balzac | New server or new domain? | Mar 19 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Big play coming: Google Android to dominate netbooks–Ovum < http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breaking… > | Mar 19 21:03 |
| schestowitz | balzac: maybe both. | Mar 19 21:03 |
| schestowitz | It ought to be possible to write a script that rewrites ant bn.com/blah request and passed it on to another domain | Mar 19 21:04 |
| balzac | well, aim for no broken urls and no service interruption | Mar 19 21:04 |
| schestowitz | I was never fond of the boycottnovell name (shane’s choice). it’s far too absrasive. | Mar 19 21:04 |
| schestowitz | *abrasive | Mar 19 21:05 |
| balzac | keep that domain | Mar 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | OK | Mar 19 21:05 |
| balzac | and have another as well | Mar 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | What for? | Mar 19 21:05 |
| balzac | BN is a great domain. it was a perfect choice | Mar 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | OK | Mar 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I don’t like it much | Mar 19 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Makes me look asinine as a matter of precondition | Mar 19 21:05 |
| balzac | BN shouldn’t go anywhere, even if Novell changed everything about their business and renounced Microsoft | Mar 19 21:05 |
| balzac | it should always remain for historical reasons | Mar 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Then it’s Boycott Novel [L] | Mar 19 21:06 |
| balzac | no way man, it was and is a great domain | Mar 19 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Boycott Patent (Novel) | Mar 19 21:06 |
| balzac | no, it was perfect and there were no more appropriate domains | Mar 19 21:07 |
| balzac | it’s directness had to have contributed to the success of the site | Mar 19 21:07 |
| balzac | direct and simple | Mar 19 21:07 |
| balzac | but, for a new home for wider-ranging topics, It’s something to think about | Mar 19 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I’ll keep it as is then. | Mar 19 21:08 |
| schestowitz | My day was practically ruined by the server issues | Mar 19 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Wasted rather | Mar 19 21:09 |
| balzac | Maybe you and Shane and I can discuss a domain holding arrangement for gnucrew.com in which some entity like a frozen escrow holds it under the terms of a contract we all sign. | Mar 19 21:09 |
| balzac | we can all publish whatever we want under that domain, none of us can dissolve the arrangement, so nobody has clout over anyone else | Mar 19 21:10 |
| balzac | a trustee-style arrangement could make a nice domain available for your use if you’re into it | Mar 19 21:10 |
| balzac | no one or two of us could dissolve it, we’d all three have to agree to terminate the contract | Mar 19 21:11 |
| balzac | so it would be a stable arrangement for building a community website/group-blog | Mar 19 21:12 |
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| balzac | no agreements on editorial standards or content | Mar 19 21:12 |
| balzac | but I would have relatively conservative editorial judgement for myself, but the point being, neither of the three principles could censor each other, and our opinions would belong to ourselves, not reflecting the attitudes of the others | Mar 19 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Your stance is similar to mine on most things. | Mar 19 21:14 |
| balzac | but I’m not sure how much you or shane are into gnu-branding. The offer stands to you alone or to both you and shane. | Mar 19 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I think this was all discussed before. | Mar 19 21:14 |
| schestowitz | balzac: I mention GNU in most posts | Mar 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | But the site’s theme is different | Mar 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | I started covering more Microsoft because of demand | Mar 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus suggested it at one stage | Mar 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | I started with “eye on MS” posts | Mar 19 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Then someone else said I should break it down into separate chunks, so I do | Mar 19 21:16 |
| schestowitz | *did | Mar 19 21:16 |
| balzac | Is Shane in here under a pseudonym? Have he and I chatted before? | Mar 19 21:18 |
| balzac | I don’t know Shane’s style because he doesn’t post as frequently, but I’m definitely interested in a partnership with you guys if you’re interested. | Mar 19 21:19 |
| balzac | Also, I’m going to take the GNU-Father image and make t-shirts available with all of the mark-up going to the GNU project, but I want someone else to share the account credentials for verification purposes. | Mar 19 21:21 |
| schestowitz | balzac: it’s his real name | Mar 19 21:22 |
| schestowitz | balzac: FSDaily people saw the gnufather image  |
Mar 19 21:22 |
| balzac | I don’t know who took that photo of Stallman, but the God-Father art is used in a fair use context and if all profits go to GNU, there shouldn’t be any trouble. | Mar 19 21:22 |
| schestowitz | To pay for first-class RMS plane ticket? | Mar 19 21:23 |
| balzac | Well, to fund GNU devs, hopefully for more progress on HURD. | Mar 19 21:23 |
| balzac | also, it might earn me some cred so I can have a gnu.org email address | Mar 19 21:23 |
| schestowitz | If people donate to the FSF, I very much doubt they want it spent on extravagant and overpriced flights, i.e. pockets of dying companies with billionaires on top | Mar 19 21:24 |
| balzac | so it would be the GNU-Crew T-shirt, available on all kinds of apparel | Mar 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | No good PR | Mar 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | “Crew | Mar 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Too ‘ghetto’ | Mar 19 21:24 |
| balzac | It’s not extravagant for a middle-aged guy to have a comfortable flight. | Mar 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | He should stream | Mar 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | This isn’t the 50s. | Mar 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | We have comms | Mar 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Good comms | Mar 19 21:24 |
| balzac | What is extravagant is Google’s own airstrip, or Microsoft’s Highway. | Mar 19 21:24 |
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| DavidGerard | good evening all | Mar 19 21:25 |
| DavidGerard | what was up with the web page outage earlier? | Mar 19 21:25 |
| balzac | Roy, i disagree, GNU Crew is good branding because it reaches out to the under-served demographic, ie “ghetto” or inner city demographics. | Mar 19 21:25 |
| balzac | It’s future-ready branding for a younger demographic | Mar 19 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Hey, DavidGerard | Mar 19 21:26 |
| balzac | Roy, I’ll be developing on this anyway. You can wait and see how it develops. | Mar 19 21:26 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: host ain’t happy with over 300 db/queries/second | Mar 19 21:27 |
| DavidGerard | schestowitz: wp-cache | Mar 19 21:27 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: maybe Wikipedia’s angels can sort us out? ;–) | Mar 19 21:27 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: I know.. | Mar 19 21:27 |
| DavidGerard | (although it recently broke on my blogs that had it …) | Mar 19 21:27 |
| DavidGerard | wp-cache is just the thing for minimising mysql queries | Mar 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | But I’m not sure it’s compatible with 2.0.x branch (with security fixes until 2010) | Mar 19 21:28 |
| DavidGerard | ahhhhhhhhh | Mar 19 21:28 |
| DavidGerard | hmm | Mar 19 21:28 |
| DavidGerard | there is that | Mar 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | “Stable” is good too | Mar 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | But we might change host | Mar 19 21:28 |
| DavidGerard | yeah, wikipedia’s angels will answer “yes” and “no” and “what” and “delete, not notable” and … | Mar 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | I contacted my host since 2004 | Mar 19 21:28 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: I was joking | Mar 19 21:29 |
| DavidGerard | if you’ve outgrown mates’ rates hosting, then you’ve outgrown it | Mar 19 21:29 |
| DavidGerard | i know |
Mar 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: are you like Wikipedia’s #1 man in the UK? | Mar 19 21:29 |
| DavidGerard | serious thought: ibiblio? | Mar 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | That’s why I joked about it | Mar 19 21:29 |
| DavidGerard | hey they host groklaw and esr | Mar 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: yes, I thought about it | Mar 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | who to contact though? | Mar 19 21:29 |
| DavidGerard | i used to be #2 or #3 |
Mar 19 21:29 |
| schestowitz | And the theme may be questionable | Mar 19 21:30 |
| DavidGerard | (behind james forrester and alison wheeler) | Mar 19 21:30 |
| DavidGerard | now there’s wikimedia UK version 2, the version that works | Mar 19 21:30 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: so you’re chief now? | Mar 19 21:30 |
| DavidGerard | i just answer the phone  |
Mar 19 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Heh. | Mar 19 21:30 |
| schestowitz | IWF | Mar 19 21:30 |
| DavidGerard | srsly, once your number is in media ophone lists it’s in there forever | Mar 19 21:30 |
| schestowitz | WIF?? | Mar 19 21:30 |
| DavidGerard | my phone number is public | Mar 19 21:30 |
| DavidGerard | it’s surprising how little trouble i get having a public phone number. it appears pissing people off on the internet only makes them try to make trouble on the internet. | Mar 19 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I don’t put my #s on the Net | Mar 19 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Just addresses | Mar 19 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Too late to remove them, due to caching; | Mar 19 21:31 |
| DavidGerard | the australian IWF-equivalent ban list just got publicised | Mar 19 21:31 |
| DavidGerard | eyah | Mar 19 21:31 |
| DavidGerard | yeah# | Mar 19 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 19 21:31 |
| DavidGerard | i don’t have a public postal address any more | Mar 19 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Will post this later in Links | Mar 19 21:31 |
| DavidGerard | email and phone will do | Mar 19 21:31 |
| DavidGerard | mostly that’s to keep the scientologists off my back | Mar 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: and Gordon keeps a copy of your calls | Mar 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | The UK govt. will have more extensive archives then people themselves | Mar 19 21:32 |
| DavidGerard | i dunno, annoy the shit out of them for several years and they get narky | Mar 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Now they’ll harvest social networks too | Mar 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | It was in the news last night | Mar 19 21:32 |
| DavidGerard | yeah | Mar 19 21:32 |
| DavidGerard | see recent badscience.net column on the idiocy of this method | Mar 19 21:32 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: I visited your varous domains last week | Mar 19 21:33 |
| DavidGerard | ehold on, daughte rwatnts attention! | Mar 19 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ibiblio.org/about.html “Partners of ibiblio.org include AMD and IBM who supply the hardware on which ibiblio.org services are running. ibiblio.org runs using open source software where ever applicable and attempts to promote open source ideals within contexts other than software. “ | Mar 19 21:35 |
| DavidGerard | my method of dealing with the internet panopticon is to talk lots and lots about stuff but not draw attention to what i’m not talking about | Mar 19 21:36 |
| schestowitz | The issue is, Groklaw also had a server donated by AMD. While BN isn’t a big fan of Intel, I doubt that in these times of depression and AMD going into the can they’ll be able to offer much. Thoughts? | Mar 19 21:36 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: I write lots too, not rewriting much. | Mar 19 21:36 |
| DavidGerard | did groklaw have a server donated that wasn’t actually a donation to ibiblio, you mean? | Mar 19 21:36 |
| DavidGerard | yeah. how the heck do you write so much on bn? | Mar 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | In days of books and press machines, quality was super important | Mar 19 21:37 |
| DavidGerard | i have trouble coming up with a good article a day on my blogs | Mar 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | You get just a few chances at publishing a paper | Mar 19 21:37 |
| DavidGerard | whereas on the internet, it’s merely important, otherwise you’re lost in noise | Mar 19 21:37 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: I just do. I enjoy it, so I do it in good rhythm, in a busrsty fashion | Mar 19 21:37 |
| DavidGerard | too much time on your hands ;-p | Mar 19 21:38 |
| schestowitz | It’s like workouts or anything else that gets easier once you get ‘into it’ | Mar 19 21:38 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: I have lots more I want to post | Mar 19 21:38 |
| schestowitz | This is like the 5th day this year that’s ruined by server woes | Mar 19 21:38 |
| schestowitz | It feels almost like being a Windows desktop user… | Mar 19 21:39 |
| tessier_ | What happened to your server? | Mar 19 21:39 |
| schestowitz | But this isn’t a Red Hat issue, but a load issue. | Mar 19 21:39 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I watch it closely now. It’s like 2-y-o in the garden with a bulldog | Mar 19 21:39 |
| tessier_ | Proxy it and put a lightweight httpd in front | Mar 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Can’t leave it alone now and I blacklisted some IPs, trimmed pages, contacting hosts, etc | Mar 19 21:40 |
| tessier_ | And maybe cache it too | Mar 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | tessier: can’t. The host does Apache | Mar 19 21:40 |
| tessier_ | It’s on a shared host? | Mar 19 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 19 21:40 |
| tessier_ | Oops. | Mar 19 21:40 |
| tessier_ | Let me know if you need better hosting for free. I can help out as long as bandwidth etc isn’t too crazy. | Mar 19 21:41 |
| tessier_ | I’m about to put a couple machines into a very nice datacenter which will have plenty of capacity. | Mar 19 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Cool! | Mar 19 21:41 |
| schestowitz | What are these for? | Mar 19 21:41 |
| tessier_ | My consulting company website, email server, an asterisk phone system. | Mar 19 21:42 |
| DavidGerard | yeah | Mar 19 21:42 |
| DavidGerard | i actually camp out on a friend’s server for free | Mar 19 21:42 |
| DavidGerard | i was shocked to find out it’s the same machine that hosts a string of shock sites, e.g. lemonparty.org (do not click) | Mar 19 21:43 |
| tessier_ | It will all be running in xen backed by an IP SAN. So I could give you your own vm. | Mar 19 21:43 |
| tessier_ | I’ve heard of that site… | Mar 19 21:43 |
| DavidGerard | i was surprised to find my stuff in such illustrious company | Mar 19 21:43 |
| schestowitz | (do not click)= Streisand | Mar 19 21:43 |
| tessier_ | Yeah, that’s some charming stuff right there… | Mar 19 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Sh*t man | Mar 19 21:43 |
| DavidGerard | it’s heartwarming to see people in the twilight of life enjoying themselves and good company | Mar 19 21:44 |
| DavidGerard | BUT ANYWAY | Mar 19 21:44 |
| DavidGerard | yeah, mates’ rates hosting comes with the downside that it’s as reliable as windows | Mar 19 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I’ll need to check this carefully. | Mar 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Don’t want to be someone else’s nuisance, either. | Mar 19 21:45 |
| DavidGerard | i’m sorta glad i don’t have anything that’s actually really popular | Mar 19 21:45 |
| DavidGerard | there’s something to be said for paying your way | Mar 19 21:45 |
| DavidGerard | if the ads’ll cover hosting costs | Mar 19 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I’m stuck here. | Mar 19 21:46 |
| DavidGerard | my current project to annoy microsoft is to port wine to windows | Mar 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Well, I thought I could cope with CORAL for Digg effect | Mar 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | But here we had no ‘effect’ | Mar 19 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Just normal load, I think | Mar 19 21:46 |
| DavidGerard | there’s something fundamentally twisted about the concept. it’s like a klein bottle of stupid. | Mar 19 21:47 |
| schestowitz | So it’s becoming a problem that’s not going away and VPS — if that helps at all — is like 20 times more expensive | Mar 19 21:47 |
| DavidGerard | the hardest part is actually ELF vs COFF issues (interix is the last unix in the world that uses COFF) | Mar 19 21:47 |
| DavidGerard | yeah. time to price proper hosting. | Mar 19 21:48 |
| DavidGerard | the us is the land of cheap mediocre hosting that’ll do okayish | Mar 19 21:48 |
| DavidGerard | never host anything in the uk. | Mar 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Shane would have done it, but can’t afford the move | Mar 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | So I might take it to my host | Mar 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know yet | Mar 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn’t ask for donation | Mar 19 21:48 |
| schestowitz | No point | Mar 19 21:48 |
| DavidGerard | note that US$5/mo hosting is worth approx US$0 | Mar 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | People don’t donate these days anyway | Mar 19 21:49 |
| DavidGerard | it’s like mates’ rates but you pay for it | Mar 19 21:49 |
| DavidGerard | yeah | Mar 19 21:49 |
| DavidGerard | you don’t have a day job? | Mar 19 21:49 |
| DavidGerard | oh, you’re a student aren’t you | Mar 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | I finished my practical work long ago | Mar 19 21:49 |
| schestowitz | 2006 | Mar 19 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Deadlines are made flexible, so… | Mar 19 21:50 |
| DavidGerard | heh so now you’re a bum ;-p | Mar 19 21:50 |
| *DavidGerard spent his entire twenties alternating between student and bum | Mar 19 21:50 | |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arc… | Mar 19 21:50 |
| DavidGerard | the university of life offers as many opportunities for slacking off as more formal academic institutions | Mar 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | University of life? | Mar 19 21:51 |
| DavidGerard | “The University of Life” is a phrase meaning “learning from practical real-world experience” | Mar 19 21:51 |
| schestowitz | yes, I thought so | Mar 19 21:52 |
| schestowitz | First time I come across the phrase though | Mar 19 21:53 |
| DavidGerard | you’re not actually a native english speaker, are you? | Mar 19 21:53 |
| schestowitz | No | Mar 19 21:54 |
| DavidGerard | thought so – mostly perfect, with odd blips here and there | Mar 19 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I bleep out the f word and all. | Mar 19 21:54 |
| DavidGerard | lol | Mar 19 21:54 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: I never would have guessed. What is your first language? | Mar 19 21:54 |
| schestowitz | My nationality is German | Mar 19 21:56 |
| DavidGerard | really? i guessed eastern european | Mar 19 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Schestau | Mar 19 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it | Mar 19 21:57 |
| DavidGerard | i have a romanian coworker whose english is mostly perfect (in fact he learnt it in the US so has an american accent) but with odd imperfections | Mar 19 21:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.traveljournals.net/explor… | Mar 19 21:58 |
| DavidGerard | ah! | Mar 19 21:58 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: that sounds like Beranger | Mar 19 21:58 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you know him. | Mar 19 21:59 |
| schestowitz | He’s trilugual | Mar 19 21:59 |
| schestowitz | His French is perfect also | Mar 19 21:59 |
| schestowitz | And he’s a native Romanian speaker | Mar 19 21:59 |
| DavidGerard | beranger? | Mar 19 21:59 |
| tessier_ | My wife’s english is very good also. But sometimes she says something just totally weird. | Mar 19 21:59 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: yes, the man who writes about Linux… worst rants | Mar 19 22:00 |
| DavidGerard | i’m australian. i say things to english people that they think are totally weird. | Mar 19 22:01 |
| schestowitz | tessier: I think Chinese is the most spoken lang | Mar 19 22:01 |
| DavidGerard | usually because i’m doing it deliberately of course. | Mar 19 22:01 |
| schestowitz | And Spanish spoken in the largest # of countries | Mar 19 22:01 |
| DavidGerard | i’m looking at planete beranger and trying to make sense of it | Mar 19 22:02 |
| DavidGerard | i should stop trying | Mar 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | He ‘left’ Linux | Mar 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | He’ll be back | Mar 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | His political rants are great… and ones about patents as werll | Mar 19 22:03 |
| trmanco | http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-10200… | Mar 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz | “Eastern District of Virginia on Thursday. “ | Mar 19 22:14 |
| schestowitz | I thought it would say Texas before the linesplit | Mar 19 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Eastern District of Texas… you know why.. | Mar 19 22:14 |
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| *tessier_ speaks Spanish as well as english | Mar 19 22:31 | |
| tessier_ | And my wife speaks Vietnamese, one of the least spoken languages. | Mar 19 22:31 |
| tessier_ | I’m learning Vietnamese anyway though. Very slowly as she is a very impatient teacher. | Mar 19 22:31 |
| tessier_ | Wish I could easily take Vietnamese classes again like when I lived in Saigon. | Mar 19 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | Are there no self-learning kits like tapes (cassettes) and books? | Mar 19 22:36 |
| DavidGerard | back, slightly | Mar 19 22:37 |
| DavidGerard | my daughter gets attention by coming up and slamming the laptop lid down with a big grin | Mar 19 22:37 |
| DavidGerard | she’s two | Mar 19 22:37 |
| DavidGerard | a friend sent her a baby-sized defcon t-shirt | Mar 19 22:38 |
| DavidGerard | which is very appropriate | Mar 19 22:38 |
| *schestowitz tries to find seinfeld episode where Vietnamese ladies mock George’s dad (on youtube) | Mar 19 22:38 | |
| schestowitz | FEDCON. LOL | Mar 19 22:38 |
| DavidGerard | i have a photo of her asleep on the floor, defcon shirt and jeans, holding a linux nutshell book | Mar 19 22:38 |
| DavidGerard | “if you didn’t want me to haxx0r your b0x0r you should have been running openbsd daddy” | Mar 19 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Got the picture online? | Mar 19 22:41 |
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| DavidGerard | nah | Mar 19 22:50 |
| DavidGerard | i’m happy for there not to be pics of her online | Mar 19 22:51 |
| DavidGerard | or widely public | Mar 19 22:51 |
| DavidGerard | wine on windows: http://reddragdiva.co.uk/… | Mar 19 22:51 |
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| DavidGerard | and now for a shower and bed | Mar 19 22:52 |
| DavidGerard | nite all | Mar 19 22:52 |
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| schestowitz | Word up! | Mar 19 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Word crashes Awwwwwww……. |
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