03.17.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 16th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 3:32 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz	Those who agree will receive incentives (bribes	Mar 16 17:16
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schestowitz	it’s a reward system which ultiamtelty benefits: 1) lawyers (they need business writing patents and suing);2) monopolies. Sadly for (2) (not for (1)), patent trolls came later.	Mar 16 17:17
schestowitz	RMS has explained very eloquently that the myth of small guys being protected by patents is a joke	Mar 16 17:18
Balrog	schestowitz: I’ll PM	Mar 16 17:18
schestowitz	Good talk: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/03/…	Mar 16 17:18
schestowitz	I’ll look into it	Mar 16 17:19
Balrog	OK.	Mar 16 17:19
Balrog	thank you very much	Mar 16 17:19
schestowitz	Balrog: I see…	Mar 16 17:19
Balrog	yes.	Mar 16 17:19
schestowitz	It spreads like bad literature (“war on terrorism”)	Mar 16 17:19
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schestowitz	He has a go at Lessig too	Mar 16 17:20
schestowitz	But Lessig has no beard ;-p heh.	Mar 16 17:20
Balrog	heh	Mar 16 17:20
schestowitz	When is “Marx” a curse anyway?	Mar 16 17:20
tessier_	Since communism scared everyone so much by threatening death that anything associated with it became a curse.	Mar 16 17:21
schestowitz	Hahaha. Last line: “Professor Lessig has his head stuck in the 1930s sand. “	Mar 16 17:21
schestowitz	Remind me of something	Mar 16 17:21
schestowitz	http://www.cypherpunks.to/~pet…	Mar 16 17:22
schestowitz	*reminds	Mar 16 17:22
schestowitz	“(the “bunch of freaking morons” includes Bruce Schneier and Charlie Demerjian of the Inquirer, whom he refers to in a preceding email).”	Mar 16 17:22
schestowitz	He goes nowhere by comparing Lessig to Marx, IMHO	Mar 16 17:22
schestowitz	Lessig is successful financially, unlike those whom he assimilated him to	Mar 16 17:23
tacone	schestowitz: i sent you in prv the link to the italian net-censorship matter	Mar 16 17:23
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schestowitz	Obama won the elections because of PR and ideology of sharing.	Mar 16 17:23
schestowitz	there’s a book called “Naked Conversations: How Blogs are Changing the Way..”	Mar 16 17:24
schestowitz	Italy wants to ruin the Web for bloggers	Mar 16 17:25
schestowitz	Classic excuse: pedophiles	Mar 16 17:25
Balrog	he also uses the excuse that the quality of Linux sucks.	Mar 16 17:26
schestowitz	Can’t say “NO” to that, so might as well go along and censor bloggers	Mar 16 17:26
Balrog	(but he was using Novell’s SUSE 10.1 )	Mar 16 17:26
schestowitz	Balrog: that’s a shame. So most of the world uses a platform that “Sux”	Mar 16 17:26
schestowitz	We should advise Google to dump Linux immediately	Mar 16 17:26
Balrog	Unfortunately, free software tends to be worth what you pay for it. Linux enjoys a robust 3% of the market because only 3% of the computer users value their own many hours of time less than the $200 they might save if they bought Windows. Apache wins over the Microsoft product solely because the market for internet servers is so small that it does not justify the expense Microsoft would have to go to, to make their server easier to use than the	Mar 16 17:27
schestowitz	And DreamWorks too. They really need some good proggies like Conficker to get the job done.	Mar 16 17:27
Balrog	<< quite	Mar 16 17:27
Balrog	quote *	Mar 16 17:27
schestowitz	Microsoft uses illegal OEM tactics	Mar 16 17:28
schestowitz	People don’t chose Windows	Mar 16 17:28
Balrog	I’ll be around. PM or email important stuff	Mar 16 17:28
schestowitz	The OEMs ‘choose’ for them	Mar 16 17:28
schestowitz	I have lots of antitrust material about this, to be posted some time this year	Mar 16 17:28
Balrog	I know.	Mar 16 17:28
Balrog	I’ll be back in an hour.	Mar 16 17:28
schestowitz	If you don’t know the author, why not post it publicly?	Mar 16 17:29
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twitter	Have we seen Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Holt in any M$ collusion?	Mar 16 17:35
schestowitz	MinceR will love this one: Digg Founder Offers Sneak Peek of iPhone 3.0 Copy/Paste Feature < http://www.pcworld.com/article/16128… >. Apple and Digg are ‘inventing’ copy and paste now. Coming down Mount Sinai with the feature of heaven (the one that they shut down cough OpenClip)	Mar 16 17:36
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schestowitz	twitter: what did he say other than bad things?	Mar 16 17:36
twitter	Well, he expects Windows 7 to fix things.	Mar 16 17:37
schestowitz	http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamholt ” Adam Holt – Account Director, Microsoft Advertising “	Mar 16 17:37
twitter	Not even Intel executives think that’s right.	Mar 16 17:37
schestowitz	Paid shilll	Mar 16 17:37
schestowitz	Where did he write this nonsense?	Mar 16 17:37
twitter	bam, thanks	Mar 16 17:37
schestowitz	Is there a disclosure?	Mar 16 17:37
schestowitz	Show me	Mar 16 17:37
schestowitz	Let’s expose the paid shills that generate buzz	Mar 16 17:37
twitter	Your link from today’s BN, business week.	Mar 16 17:38
twitter	http://www.businessweek.com/ap/finan…	Mar 16 17:38
twitter	” However, the Windows 7 release, expected by the December quarter, should stabilize 2010 prices as companies upgrade.”	Mar 16 17:38
schestowitz	Is this the same person?	Mar 16 17:38
schestowitz	Analyst?	Mar 16 17:38
twitter	Got me. I don’t know.	Mar 16 17:39
schestowitz	“Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Holt “	Mar 16 17:39
schestowitz	Doubtful.	Mar 16 17:39
twitter	He shows up in BN twice.	Mar 16 17:39
schestowitz	No intersection	Mar 16 17:39
schestowitz	Where?	Mar 16 17:39
twitter	last warning http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1…	Mar 16 17:39
schestowitz	” February 2005 — Present (4 years 2 months) “	Mar 16 17:40
twitter	uhhh, your article was written in 2008	Mar 16 17:40
schestowitz	http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/?first=+…	Mar 16 17:40
twitter	ahhhh	Mar 16 17:41
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schestowitz	Many people visit BN today. I don’t know why except # of posts	Mar 16 17:43
twitter	http://www.google.com/search?q=Morgan%20…	Mar 16 17:43
twitter	http://www.computerweekly.com/Home/…	Mar 16 17:44
twitter	seems consistent.	Mar 16 17:44
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schestowitz	I saw that too.	Mar 16 17:45
schestowitz	Same person though?	Mar 16 17:45
twitter	think so, it’s hard to tell.	Mar 16 17:45
schestowitz	Morgan Stanley and MS are close thought	Mar 16 17:45
schestowitz	MG was just being realistic when it said MS is f*ed	Mar 16 17:46
schestowitz	Then it expressed hope (Vista7 to the rescue(	Mar 16 17:46
_Hicham_	Vista 7 is no rescue	Mar 16 17:46
_Hicham_	it started with a lot of flaws	Mar 16 17:46
schestowitz	Of course not	Mar 16 17:46
schestowitz	Unless you’re in marketing	Mar 16 17:46
twitter	The question is if they consistently pump things up as better than they are, even while saying things are getting worse.	Mar 16 17:46
twitter	No big deal now, no one but Adam expects Windows 7 to pick things up.	Mar 16 17:47
schestowitz	Novell to Present at Morgan Stanley 2009 Technology Conference in San Francisco < http://www.centredaily.com/business/tech… >	Mar 16 17:47
schestowitz	Morgan Stanley = multi-man Cramer (MAD MONEY!!)	Mar 16 17:48
schestowitz	*multi-men	Mar 16 17:48
schestowitz	> No big deal now, no one but Adam expects Windows 7 to pick things up.	Mar 16 17:48
schestowitz	Well, BW readers are deceived	Mar 16 17:48
schestowitz	it’s the ‘business press’	Mar 16 17:48
schestowitz	People in suits, people who make decisions	Mar 16 17:48
schestowitz	“Let’s wait for Vista 7″. Stanley’s Morgage sez so	Mar 16 17:49
schestowitz	The criterion for selection here is obedience and MS (Morgan Stanley) serves the business that pay it. That’s just how those things work. You pump up some names like MS (Morgan Stanley) and then use their press to parrot self-fulfilling prophecies. Analysts are all the same, the ones that get big anyway	Mar 16 17:52
schestowitz	Recent Microsoft patch useless < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/… >. Covered in BN too	Mar 16 17:53
schestowitz	The copyrights cartel gets the public to pay to defend it: UK agency will discourage piracy < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/new… >	Mar 16 17:54
schestowitz	They should promote GPL and CC instead, then “discourage” maximalists	Mar 16 17:55
twitter	http://slashdot.org/firehose…	Mar 16 17:56
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schestowitz	The formerly impressive Satyam is AWOL in a matter of just months: Satyam loses Oz contract < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/20… >. Imagine how quickly companies like SCO or Microsoft sink due to fraud	Mar 16 18:01
tessier_	This is a little bit different from what either SCO or Microsoft are doing.	Mar 16 18:02
tessier_	So far there have been no such clear accounting “irregularities” in either.	Mar 16 18:02
schestowitz	tessier: not true	Mar 16 18:02
schestowitz	Microsoft was caught	Mar 16 18:02
schestowitz	Fraud	Mar 16 18:02
schestowitz	They paid their way out	Mar 16 18:02
schestowitz	Even Madoff had people blow the whistle on him for years, but regulators conveniently ignore… until he admit this by blowing the whistle on himself.	Mar 16 18:03
schestowitz	People sang praises about his wealth… kind of like the ‘rich’ Microsoft (which for a fact has lost all its savings and who knows how bad it really is)	Mar 16 18:04
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twitter	heh, an algorithm to determine your contributions to the company – http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?o…	Mar 16 18:05
twitter	what an easy way to “paper” someone’s file.	Mar 16 18:05
twitter	how goes M$’s vanishing cash pile these days?	Mar 16 18:06
twitter	People keep saying they have $20B in the bank, but that’s got to be a dated figure. I thought they would be at zero or debt by now.	Mar 16 18:07
schestowitz	Some people lost all their money and entered debt even.	Mar 16 18:08
schestowitz	They keep quiet about it	Mar 16 18:08
twitter	yeah, but M$ people are loud and usually full of something other than cash.	Mar 16 18:09
twitter	full of beans and other vaporware	Mar 16 18:09
schestowitz	twitter: Microsoft left you a messge	Mar 16 18:10
schestowitz	They wanted to say, “thank you for refurbishing our campus and developing it further”	Mar 16 18:10
twitter	It’s like full monte but bigger. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl…	Mar 16 18:10
schestowitz	Madoff bragged about big numbers	Mar 16 18:10
twitter	how nice of M$, but I’ve been broke for years and don’t pay taxes to much of anyone.	Mar 16 18:11
schestowitz	But he forgor the minus sign	Mar 16 18:11
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twitter	no job. it kind of makes the “no new taxes” rhetoric sound empty.	Mar 16 18:11
schestowitz	“Economists forecast industrial production would drop 1.3 percent, according to the median projection in a Bloomberg News survey of 68 economists. Estimates ranged from declines of 2.2 percent to 0.3 percent. “	Mar 16 18:11
twitter	thanks for nothing, GWB.	Mar 16 18:12
schestowitz	twitter, tessier what does the US export?	Mar 16 18:12
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twitter	used to be food	Mar 16 18:12
schestowitz	I know	Mar 16 18:12
twitter	weapons	Mar 16 18:12
schestowitz	for wrong reasons	Mar 16 18:12
twitter	autos	Mar 16 18:12
schestowitz	Like in South America	Mar 16 18:12
schestowitz	They would make all sorts of fgood that’s useles	Mar 16 18:12
schestowitz	Live in poverty	Mar 16 18:12
schestowitz	And then they depended on food imports from the US	Mar 16 18:12
schestowitz	So they gave the US what they wanted	Mar 16 18:13
schestowitz	And then depended on it for food	Mar 16 18:13
schestowitz	By growing the wrong thinks	Mar 16 18:13
twitter	before ADM started their corn fuel fraud, the US provided a lot of corn around the world.	Mar 16 18:13
schestowitz	Like cattle for burgets and stuff.	Mar 16 18:13
schestowitz	twitter: does the US export autos like it used to?	Mar 16 18:13
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twitter	GM and friends flirt with bankruptcy.	Mar 16 18:13
schestowitz	Corn fuel apparently takes more fuel than it generates	Mar 16 18:14
schestowitz	I hear it from many sources	Mar 16 18:14
schestowitz	Independent	Mar 16 18:14
twitter	yes, it was a terrible fraud	Mar 16 18:14
schestowitz	Ethanol could be argued to be work on progress…	Mar 16 18:14
schestowitz	Same with solar power I heard	Mar 16 18:14
twitter	people in Mexico have rioted over higher priced food and hunger	Mar 16 18:14
schestowitz	Takes more to produce solar panels than they generate in their lifetime.	Mar 16 18:14
twitter	ugh, even the printed ones?	Mar 16 18:14
twitter	they have low efficiency, but there’s a US factory making giga watts worth of them every year.	Mar 16 18:15
twitter	RMS pointed to an interesting bio fuel idea from Lovelock, the guy who told everyone about the ozone hole.	Mar 16 18:16
twitter	his idea was to make charcoal out of agricultural waste. The effluent is fuel and the charcoal sequesters carbon.	Mar 16 18:17
twitter	if you don’t burn the charcoal	Mar 16 18:17
schestowitz	pollies discover blogging: Despite being seen by some as a joke figure after a series of embarrassments during his time as deputy prime minister, Prescott’s rehabilitation at the head of Labour’s internet assault on the Tories has been sanctioned by Gordon Brown. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009…	Mar 16 18:17
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twitter	it could actually make a dent in global warming. Lovelock did not think people would go for it and thinks we are doomed to a 50% population crash this century.	Mar 16 18:18
schestowitz	That’s why I’d advocate birth control	Mar 16 18:18
twitter	Agriculture can be a reputable export. More honest than arms sales.	Mar 16 18:18
schestowitz	Reduce population size or face atrociuty	Mar 16 18:19
schestowitz	But it’s adverse to human nature	Mar 16 18:19
schestowitz	We’re like the dinosaurs	Mar 16 18:19
schestowitz	http://coffee.geek.nz/te-papa-d… “Te Papa reserves the right to approve the use of hypertext links to the Te Papa website and you must remove or cease any link at Te Papa’s request. Written permission is required before a link to any part of the Te Papa site is established from an external site. “	Mar 16 18:21
schestowitz	Nature’s destruction in progress: ‘Green’ dams hasten rape of Borneo forests < http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne… >	Mar 16 18:22
twitter	it won’t be enough to compensate victims, but Madoff’s $800M of property is fair game. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p…	Mar 16 18:25
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schestowitz	“More than $100 million in real estate, cash, bonds, art, autos, boats and other property owned by Bernard Madoff and his wife, Ruth Madoff, is subject to forfeiture, prosecutors said. “	Mar 16 18:29
schestowitz	What about cousins and all? He did spread his loot around, didn’t he? They need to collect everything he has given to others	Mar 16 18:30
schestowitz	“So finally, free culture is nothing more than, and nothing less than, mankind’s natural propensity to communicate, collaborate and share. It is not a fad, it goes much deeper. Characterising it in narrow terms as a politically motivated cult, or as a commercially damaging movement is missing the big picture, for these things are not of its essence. It first and foremost is a technology-facilitated extension of our normal modes o	Mar 16 18:31
schestowitz	f behaviour — and this is why it is inevitable, profound and unstoppable.”	Mar 16 18:31
schestowitz	http://ralpress.org/2009/03/16/fre… What’s with the headline? They use words from a Microsoft shill.	Mar 16 18:31
schestowitz	“Not surprisingly, when a technology becomes obsolete, firms who specialize in exploiting that technology go out of business.” http://techliberation.com/2009/03/03/…	Mar 16 18:34
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MinceR	re the jesusPhone 3.0 link — the digg founder being a crApple cultist explains digg itself being a wretched hive of crApple fanboyism, i guess…	Mar 16 18:37
schestowitz	With the thief and the patent troll: http://www.mactropolis.com/fun-st…	Mar 16 18:41
schestowitz	Actually 2 patent trolls	Mar 16 18:41
schestowitz	Gates too has its own trolling firm in the making. Searette	Mar 16 18:41
schestowitz	Adult kids: http://www.iphonesavior.com…	Mar 16 18:42
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twitter	Freetards, people who believe in imaginary property but demand costless entertainment. They don’t understand sharing and place a high value on their own works instead of sharing.	Mar 16 18:56
twitter	They use crap like Windows and Word when better alternatives are available.	Mar 16 18:57
twitter	Everything about copyright is cool for them, as long as they don’t pay the bills.	Mar 16 18:58
twitter	This is how we should steal the term “freetard” and use it against the M$ shills who created it. They have no understanding of free culture.	Mar 16 18:59
twitter	Paytards, people who think it’s morally correct to pay evil companies like M$ and RIAA members for stuff normal people share without cost.	Mar 16 19:00
schestowitz	I think, although I ain’t sure, that Microsoft shill Lyons made it up	Mar 16 19:00
twitter	It does not matter who made it up, let’s jam the concept down their throats.	Mar 16 19:00
schestowitz	Mins ago I’d found: http://techdirt.com/articles… (If Your Business Model Revolves Around Taking Some Feature Away From People, You’re Doing It Wrong)	Mar 16 19:00
schestowitz	Terry McBride: Songs Are Not Copyright. Songs Are Emotions < http://techdirt.com/art… >	Mar 16 19:01
*schestowitz listens to gigs of music whose creators want it to be ‘copies’ (shared)		Mar 16 19:01
twitter	They don’t understand free culture and should be shown up for it.	Mar 16 19:01
schestowitz	*codpied	Mar 16 19:01
schestowitz	Free culture is something for the Murdoch press to shy away from	Mar 16 19:01
schestowitz	Not many people will know it exists this way	Mar 16 19:01
schestowitz	Kind of like Nader	Mar 16 19:01
twitter	They can’t hide forever.	Mar 16 19:02
schestowitz	‘You’ don’t want to give them voice. Keep them marglialised	Mar 16 19:02
twitter	Music you can share is cool.	Mar 16 19:02
schestowitz	It succeeds too	Mar 16 19:02
twitter	Software you can share is cool.	Mar 16 19:02
schestowitz	I hope ther MAFIAA enforce harder	Mar 16 19:02
schestowitz	BUT	Mar 16 19:02
schestowitz	Not kill protocols	Mar 16 19:02
schestowitz	The good guys use torrent too	Mar 16 19:02
schestowitz	Comes vs Microsoft was a hot torrent	Mar 16 19:03
twitter	I came close to deleting my non free music collection but decided it is better to understand popular culture and wield it.	Mar 16 19:03
schestowitz	Had it not been for torrent, maybe all those Microsoft crimes (inc. Wal-Mart taskforce) would stay on some guy’s PCs.. a guy with an NDA	Mar 16 19:03
twitter	of course, shared knowledge has value.	Mar 16 19:04
twitter	hoarded information makes you a freak, out of touch and suspicious.	Mar 16 19:04
schestowitz	http://torrentfreak.com/sxsw-20… Rearm	Mar 16 19:04
schestowitz	It’s pretty good. I listen to it these days. If only it were oggs too	Mar 16 19:04
twitter	I enjoy the internet archive’s live music collection.	Mar 16 19:05
twitter	Jam to the New Orleans Radiators.	Mar 16 19:05
schestowitz	Economics fallacy: By banning online sales, are the Girl Scouts failing our daughters? < http://www.newsweek.com/id/188714 >	Mar 16 19:06
twitter	http://www.archive.org/browse.php?c…	Mar 16 19:06
trmanco	hello	Mar 16 19:07
twitter	Here’s the Radiators. 910 shows going back to the early 1980s. http://www.archive.org/details/Radiators	Mar 16 19:07
schestowitz	haha. Dinosaurs: Columbia Journalism Professor: Fuck New Media < http://techdirt.com/articles/20090… >	Mar 16 19:07
twitter	http://www.archive.org/search.ph…	Mar 16 19:08
twitter	pardon me, there are only 893 concerts available.	Mar 16 19:08
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twitter	I don’t think new media’s audience will hear the dinosaur’s cry.	Mar 16 19:09
schestowitz	Wow. Big collections there: http://www.archive.org/details/rad199…	Mar 16 19:09
schestowitz	“This is illegal competition as seen from IFPI. It /has/ to be stopped! Now! Shut down bittorrent! Shut down the internet!”	Mar 16 19:10
schestowitz	LOL	Mar 16 19:10
twitter	The result of sharing is endless abundance.	Mar 16 19:10
schestowitz	Kind of like Microsoft calls Linux illegal competition	Mar 16 19:10
schestowitz	Now you need to buy patents, not software	Mar 16 19:10
schestowitz	Microsoft wants to buy some laws	Mar 16 19:11
schestowitz	Why compete when you can call the competition criminal with new laws?	Mar 16 19:11
schestowitz	Business to them is like a /right/	Mar 16 19:11
twitter	Their power to buy is going the same place their sales.	Mar 16 19:11
schestowitz	“We used to earn X$, please ensure we don’t lose our job,Senator”	Mar 16 19:11
twitter	No bribe, no jibe.	Mar 16 19:12
schestowitz	Wow. Just got interesting mail.	Mar 16 19:12
twitter	The Radiators always make me smile.	Mar 16 19:12
schestowitz	“This looks like it might be worse retribution than what happened to Peter Quinn: http://news.google.fi/news?q… “	Mar 16 19:12
schestowitz	Could this be targeted?	Mar 16 19:12
schestowitz	He promoted MS alternatives and FOSS.	Mar 16 19:13
twitter	I don’t have the details.	Mar 16 19:13
schestowitz	I’ve just asked for some	Mar 16 19:14
schestowitz	Maybe they frame him or something	Mar 16 19:14
schestowitz	he didn’t do anything	Mar 16 19:14
schestowitz	But they associated himself with some old employee of him	Mar 16 19:14
schestowitz	*his	Mar 16 19:14
schestowitz	If they want to find dirt to dethrone him, they’ll find it somewhere	Mar 16 19:15
twitter	For all I know, M$ provided the cash found.	Mar 16 19:15
schestowitz	If not direct dirt, then dirt about someone he ‘knows’… dirt by association is familiar to me.	Mar 16 19:15
twitter	yes, made up dirt too.	Mar 16 19:15
twitter	The Justice Department, FBI and other organizations need to be cleaned out with a fire hose.	Mar 16 19:16
twitter	Homeland security should be abolished – that would save a lot of money the Gov does not have.	Mar 16 19:17
schestowitz	Won’t happen	Mar 16 19:17
twitter	Yes, Obama looks like a wimp so far. Protecting wiretaps and ACTA.	Mar 16 19:18
twitter	It’s still early.	Mar 16 19:18
twitter	Computer World is not always a good source of information. They all but shout, “there will be no government free software revolution”	Mar 16 19:19
schestowitz	IDC	Mar 16 19:22
schestowitz	They don’t want it	Mar 16 19:22
schestowitz	They would be out of business otally	Mar 16 19:22
trmanco	http://www.boston.com/business/tech…	Mar 16 19:22
schestowitz	And the writers go down with them, not just the anal-ysts	Mar 16 19:22
schestowitz	trmanco: got it already	Mar 16 19:22
schestowitz	see BN	Mar 16 19:22
trmanco	ah ok, I just got home, did not read feeds yet	Mar 16 19:23
twitter	btdownloading some of sxsw	Mar 16 19:24
twitter	it’s really slow. my ISP has been busted for messing with torrents before	Mar 16 19:25
twitter	40 K/s max so far, projected finish time 44 hours	Mar 16 19:26
twitter	zero up	Mar 16 19:26
trmanco	traffic shaping?	Mar 16 19:28
schestowitz	Maybe.	Mar 16 19:29
schestowitz	At least it’s going.	Mar 16 19:29
schestowitz	They should throttle Windows update	Mar 16 19:29
schestowitz	Useless POS./	Mar 16 19:30
balzac	“i am linux”	Mar 16 19:31
balzac	“i am legend”	Mar 16 19:32
balzac	“i am sparticus”	Mar 16 19:32
balzac	“this is SPARTAAAA!!”	Mar 16 19:33
twitter	fraud survives downturn http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-d…	Mar 16 19:33
twitter	no surprise there	Mar 16 19:34
twitter	merged banks are even bigger and dumber than their big dumb parts.	Mar 16 19:34
twitter	stupidity, it’s a product not a sum	Mar 16 19:34
_Hicham_	balzac : u r the incarnation of linux	Mar 16 19:35
balzac	gnu	Mar 16 19:35
balzac	i am one manifestation of gnu	Mar 16 19:36
twitter	it is what you make of it	Mar 16 19:36
twitter	torrent is moving now	Mar 16 19:36
balzac	i am a gnu citizen	Mar 16 19:36
balzac	gnubermensch	Mar 16 19:37
schestowitz	Microsoft is getting aggressive now < http://boycottnovell.com/2009… >	Mar 16 19:40
trmanco	troll are starting to infect the ubuntu newsgroup	Mar 16 19:40
balzac	well, nevermind “gnubermensch”, it has bad connotations	Mar 16 19:40
trmanco	trolls*	Mar 16 19:40
schestowitz	“The study noted that the spike in fraudulent activity cases can be partially attributed to more vigorous reporting and investigations. ” Now they realise it’s time to watch over?	Mar 16 19:41
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balzac	trmanco: url?	Mar 16 19:41
trmanco	1 sec	Mar 16 19:41
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trmanco	ah right	Mar 16 19:42
trmanco	google doesn’t carry this group	Mar 16 19:42
trmanco	balzac, no link sorry	Mar 16 19:42
balzac	ok	Mar 16 19:45
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Goblin	hi all!	Mar 16 19:46
twitter	Intel goes for AMD’s throat.	Mar 16 19:49
twitter	“AMD’s former manufacturing division opened for business last week as GlobalFoundries, but the spin-off may run afoul of AMD’s 2001 cross-licensing agreement with Intel. Indeed, Intel has formally accused AMD of violating the agreement, and threatened to terminate the company’s licenses in 60 days if a resolution is not found. Intel contends that GlobalFoundries is not a subsidiary of AMD, and thus is not covered by the licensing	Mar 16 19:49
twitter	http://slashdot.org/articl…	Mar 16 19:49
twitter	or	Mar 16 19:49
twitter	http://techreport.com/discussion…	Mar 16 19:49
balzac	you know what website is really annoying? experts-exchange.com	Mar 16 19:55
balzac	I keep finding their crap near the top of google page results for lots of different IT-related queries	Mar 16 19:55
balzac	and you don’t get the answer, you get a thing which asks you to pay to join experts-exchange.com	Mar 16 19:55
balzac	Google should knock their authority down a few notches, they’re very, very annoying.	Mar 16 19:56
balzac	/j #gsoc	Mar 16 19:58
balzac	oops	Mar 16 19:58
balzac	/j #gsoc	Mar 16 19:58
balzac	that leading space…	Mar 16 19:58
schestowitz	Hey, Goblin	Mar 16 19:59
MinceR	you can view the ExpertSexchange answers without paying, actually	Mar 16 20:00
MinceR	iirc they’re shown in the google cache	Mar 16 20:00
schestowitz	Or just change headers?	Mar 16 20:01
MinceR	dunno	Mar 16 20:02
MinceR	(in the google cache, they’re at the bottom of the page)	Mar 16 20:02
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Goblin	great new article Roy.	Mar 16 20:27
Goblin	wow, 14 updates in 8.10 for today. Just noticed…Puts MS to shame when Canonical puts so much effort into keep the OS updated.	Mar 16 20:28
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schestowitz	Let’s see how Obama can combat white-collar crime: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29714402/rs222 (Obama seeking ways to block AIG bonuses)	Mar 16 20:43
schestowitz	http://www.msversus.org/microsoft-r… (Microsoft Restricts Free & Fair Use)	Mar 16 20:46
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schestowitz	Hmmm.. “Bill Gates is involved in Eugenics… The “good work” he is throwing $ at in Afrika is earmarked mostly for population control… His Father was top Dog in “planned Parent-hood. IBM set him up … ” http://digg.com/microsoft/Microsof… Sounds like Alex Jones baloney	Mar 16 20:46
schestowitz	I’ve finally written that story about India and Microsoft versus FUSS: http://digg.com/linux_unix/India_Moves…	Mar 16 20:47
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schestowitz	*FOSS	Mar 16 20:48
Balrog	schestowitz: any comments on that one?	Mar 16 20:49
Balrog	(what I was discussing previously)	Mar 16 20:49
schestowitz	No, none of the RMS slur	Mar 16 20:49
Balrog	ok. The ignorance I see is appaling	Mar 16 20:49
Balrog	appalling *	Mar 16 20:50
trmanco	“Last but not least, gedit is now available on MS Windows [*]“	Mar 16 20:51
trmanco	[*] python plugins are not yet supported on windows	Mar 16 20:51
schestowitz	His Wikipedia picture changed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stallman	Mar 16 20:51
Balrog	new picture	Mar 16 20:51
schestowitz	Much better now with the shorter beard. It used to show some horrific pictures of him, maybe because of vandals	Mar 16 20:52
twitter	toxic stream leaking from Redmond http://slashdot.org/firehose…	Mar 16 20:52
schestowitz	twitter: yes, Sweaty uses the bathroom there.	Mar 16 20:52
twitter	I like the long beard.	Mar 16 20:52
schestowitz	Mike Elgan pushes Windows stories	Mar 16 20:53
schestowitz	What a surprise.	Mar 16 20:53
schestowitz	Not	Mar 16 20:53
twitter	The long hair too. Looks like some sort of Moses.	Mar 16 20:53
schestowitz	IDC + self confessed “Windows guy” + army of PR people = FP?	Mar 16 20:53
twitter	binspam	Mar 16 20:54
twitter	There was an interesting moment when some AC claimed CWMike was a twitter sock puppet. The usual munchinks then tore CWMike up.	Mar 16 20:55
twitter	What a bunch of morons.	Mar 16 20:55
twitter	ha ha	Mar 16 20:55
twitter	When PR agencies collide.	Mar 16 20:56
Balrog	heh	Mar 16 20:58
Balrog	http://www.macrumors.com/2009/…	Mar 16 20:58
twitter	hmm, Slashdot troll told me there was.	Mar 16 20:59
twitter	SciFi becomes SyFy in move that shows NBC idiocy on all levels. http://entertainment.slashdot.org/article…	Mar 16 21:00
Balrog	twitter: right now we’re not sure	Mar 16 21:00
Balrog	it will take some reverse-engineering to figure out	Mar 16 21:00
Balrog	it’s probably a simple high-frequency pulse system anyway	Mar 16 21:01
Balrog	or some form of pulse coding over the microphone lines that don’t distort audio	Mar 16 21:01
twitter	whole thing is strange	Mar 16 21:02
Balrog	the whole point is that the ‘DRM in headphones!!! RUN!!!!’ argument was totally premature	Mar 16 21:02
twitter	like I want something with marketing signaling instead? What’s the difference between that and DRM?	Mar 16 21:03
twitter	If the device treats one set of headphones one way and another some other way, the device has digital restrictions in it.	Mar 16 21:03
Balrog	twitter: there are no other headphones yet. You have to compare headphones with buttons.	Mar 16 21:04
Balrog	Headphones without buttons work, but you lose the benefit of buttons. Once more is learned about how this works, we’ll know if it’s drm or just a clever signaling system	Mar 16 21:05
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twitter	The only useful signaling I can imagine is device ID, so the shuffle knows what kind of headphones are plugged in and can set eq levels.	Mar 16 21:06
twitter	It would be better to just have flat responses.	Mar 16 21:06
twitter	other capabilities should come from the buttons themselves.	Mar 16 21:07
twitter	Apple should publish the signaling scheme so anyone could make headphones that work.	Mar 16 21:07
twitter	the rumor site, for what it’s worth, suggests the signaling is for marketing purposes.	Mar 16 21:08
twitter	I don’t care much because I already have a reasonable portable music player	Mar 16 21:08
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schestowitz	yes, amarok	Mar 16 21:32
twitter	Rockbox, if I wanted a heavier device	Mar 16 21:34
twitter	my old TrekStor works like a shuffle with a nice display.	Mar 16 21:34
twitter	ogg play, usb mass storage	Mar 16 21:34
schestowitz	Here we go again: 10 reasons why KDE is better than GNOME < http://blog.hyperfish.org/2009/10-rea… >	Mar 16 21:34
schestowitz	Is Debian listening to its users? < http://blog.stone-head.org/is-d… >	Mar 16 21:35
twitter	Debian works for me.	Mar 16 21:36
schestowitz	fwbuilder: Manage Firewalls Professionally < http://debaday.debian.net/2009/03… >	Mar 16 21:42
schestowitz	Chromium on Ubuntu ! [HOW TO] < http://www.stefanoforenza.com/chro… >. If Google mistreats Linux with Chrome,then it deserves no place on Linux (yet)	Mar 16 21:43
schestowitz	http://gquigs.blogspot.com/2009… “I had finally finished my We’re Linux video when I find out the Linux Foundations website doesn’t support Ogg :(. (I can convert to other formats fine, but still)”	Mar 16 21:46
schestowitz	Someone should tell the Linux Foundation about patents and all. That’s why I don’t trust these people. They use twitter too, not identi.ca. They care about Freedom not at all.	Mar 16 21:47
schestowitz	Install Chromium Browser on Arch Linux < http://blog.zelut.org/2009/03/14/ins… >	Mar 16 21:47
schestowitz	Nice comical truth: Reason why people who work with computers have so much free time < http://www.benkevan.com/blog/reason-why-… >	Mar 16 21:50
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schestowitz	Inspirational: Finnish computer expert fits finger prosthesis with USB < http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news… >	Mar 16 21:55
schestowitz	CNET spreads *NIX bread myth: “Some of you have beards. I know, I’ve seen them. Now, I know this isn’t a gadget per se, but it’s not fashion, either. It’s got a function. You need to protect and care for your beards, lest you lose your Linux admin superpowers.” http://news.cnet.com/8301-179…	Mar 16 21:58
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schestowitz	someone copies phoronix (new parasite):: http://www.pressreleasepoint.com…	Mar 16 22:04
MinceR	gn	Mar 16 22:17
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trmanco	http://www.hiprank.com/arch-lin…	Mar 16 22:56
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oiaohm	I think I have found the biggest thing MS FUDDERS want to keep alive. Realtime vs Desktop vs Server. They don’t want to see that come 1.	Mar 16 23:55
schestowitz	What’s the substance of it?	Mar 16 23:55
oiaohm	That they are completely different OS design required. Even that NT it self the the biggest case that they are not.	Mar 16 23:57

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