04.11.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 10th, 2009 – Part 3
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| Omar87 | schestowitz: What is the material? | Apr 10 17:21 |
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| schestowitz | Omar87: Here’s one way to see it (a guy from FFII taught me this): why get angry over Microsoft’s crimes? The more it does, the more trouble it may get into. It also serves as a bigger lesson about corruption out there… so there is educational value. | Apr 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: by “give” I meant did bad things that people can write about | Apr 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of GNote, there’s this in the news: “Now, there are many free applications out there already, like Gmote. Gmote is a cool app that turns your phone into a remote control for your computer. Is this useful? You tell me. But it sure is nifty.” http://www.itworld.com/mobile-a… | Apr 10 17:23 |
| trmanco | gmote? | Apr 10 17:23 |
| trmanco | ah that | Apr 10 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Didn’t even heard about it | Apr 10 17:25 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about GNode though | Apr 10 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a GTK port of KNode.. | Apr 10 17:25 |
| trmanco | that would be interesting | Apr 10 17:27 |
| schestowitz | BN not in front page of Linux Today | Apr 10 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Epic(tm) Fail. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php… (The Future Of UT3 On Linux Appears Uncertain) | Apr 10 17:39 |
| schestowitz | ping.fm is misbehaving today | Apr 10 17:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5… (Canonical disputes Microsoft netbook claims) Funny how Microsoft employees magically find NPD’s numbers. Who paid NPD to count units? | Apr 10 17:42 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, gwibber:read/8 | Apr 10 17:51 |
| trmanco | oh crap | Apr 10 17:51 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/3353412 | Apr 10 17:51 |
| trmanco | slap them  |
Apr 10 17:52 |
| schestowitz | “pingfm | Apr 10 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Doing various updates today. If you notice any weirdness, just slap us.” | Apr 10 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, that explains it. I wish it said so in their Web sites. I spent time thinking I had something improperly set at my end. | Apr 10 17:55 |
| trmanco | :-p | Apr 10 17:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/Google_CEO_tells_… “[PJ: The Newspaper Association of America has chosen to make audio of his comments available only to those who use Microsoft software, I see.]“ | Apr 10 17:59 |
| trmanco | … | Apr 10 17:59 |
| schestowitz | That’s the US… got to force people to use WIndows or boot into it. Butetrs. | Apr 10 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw hardly covers Linux now | Apr 10 18:00 |
| trmanco | the stream works | Apr 10 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Just copyright, law stuff, and some about Microsoft… | Apr 10 18:00 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I didn’t try | Apr 10 18:00 |
| trmanco | but it’s an asx | Apr 10 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it requires patents | Apr 10 18:00 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: see http://www.google.com/search?q=sit… | Apr 10 18:05 |
| schestowitz | The site that just copies all posts from BN is not being indexed, which is good. It keeps showing up in people’s trackbacks, which may make it look bad. | Apr 10 18:05 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, it will be indexed -> <meta name=”robots” content=”follow, all” /> | Apr 10 18:07 |
| trmanco | it’s just a matter of time, the spammy site is recent | Apr 10 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Researchers say Conficker is all about the money < http://news.cnet.com/8301-100… > | Apr 10 18:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: not if no-one links to this | Apr 10 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Let me give an example. | Apr 10 18:10 |
| trmanco | people might link to it in trackbacks | Apr 10 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.consortiuminfo.org/stand… If you scroll down to trackback you’ll see a BN reference, but also two mirrors that don’t exactly belong there. | Apr 10 18:10 |
| schestowitz | One of them if a botblog that echoes posts of mine from USENET and another is a site ‘stealing’ all posts from BN. | Apr 10 18:11 |
| schestowitz | I don’t mind the person using my posts from USENET (credit/attribution would be nice), but the latter may make it seem like I have something to do with those site, but I don’t. I just do BN | Apr 10 18:11 |
| schestowitz | This is just one example, but this Russian scraper that takes all posts from BN is throwing pings at blogs I link to. | Apr 10 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw credits BN today  |
Apr 10 18:14 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Portugal is the 15th country for BN readership, which is interesting because of the size of the population. | Apr 10 18:17 |
| schestowitz | The site did almost 5GB in the past 12 hours, despite Easter  |
Apr 10 18:18 |
| trmanco | that’s great | Apr 10 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I don’t use supercache yet | Apr 10 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know what it does better. Just putting “super” in it doesn’t mean much | Apr 10 18:18 |
| schestowitz | It’s a marketing term like “ultimate” | Apr 10 18:18 |
| schestowitz | “Retailers will come around in time. The faster ones will be the ones that will publish the good/better numbers for Linux. These will be the ones sitting pretty tomorrow.” < http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story… > | Apr 10 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Nice Linux site/comic……… http://www.emoticomics.com/comic79.html | Apr 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/mlb_co… (MLB.com looks great on desktop Linux) <—”Good riddance to bad rubbish!” saysKeith Elster | Apr 10 18:28 |
| schestowitz | KDE4 is just so gorgeous (and now a lot more mature): http://polishlinux.org/kde/kd… | Apr 10 18:35 |
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| Eruaran | I love polishlinux’s early reviews | Apr 10 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: he just hosts it there | Apr 10 18:37 |
| schestowitz | It’s not very responsive now | Apr 10 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Digg effect or something | Apr 10 18:37 |
| Eruaran | One of 4.3′s new desktop activity settings is “black board”… sounds interesting | Apr 10 18:42 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: you should see comments on Migi’s activity | Apr 10 18:43 |
| schestowitz | comments in LinuxToday: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_sto… | Apr 10 18:44 |
| schestowitz | He’s becoming a pR disaster to Novell and GNOME IMHO | Apr 10 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Oops. Identi.ca just fell over | Apr 10 18:44 |
| Eruaran | yeah I read Miguel’s ‘Embrace and Extending.NET’ crap | Apr 10 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Who embraces who? | Apr 10 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, little Migi will f*kill MS | Apr 10 18:47 |
| schestowitz | He’s embrace and extend them | Apr 10 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Never mind if they invite him to conferences | Apr 10 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Here’s the thing | Apr 10 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Linux might need samba for comms | Apr 10 18:47 |
| Eruaran | those guys are more on the nose than those smelly flowers on a David Attenborough doco | Apr 10 18:47 |
| schestowitz | But when it comes to PLs and framworks, Linux is independent | Apr 10 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Java, PHP, Apahce…. | Apr 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Miguel is trying to push people away from all that …. into Microsoft | Apr 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Who benefits? | Apr 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft | Apr 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz | And the guy who went for a job interview there in 2998 | Apr 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz | *1998 | Apr 10 18:48 |
| Eruaran | “Kopete can now communicate with Skype users” – this is a nice little development | Apr 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | PearlyG (Gates) is busy getting patents for his patent trolling firm: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Bi… | Apr 10 18:50 |
| schestowitz | I thought Pearlyu hated atents | Apr 10 18:54 |
| schestowitz | He said so | Apr 10 18:54 |
| schestowitz | The industry would be at a standstill | Apr 10 18:54 |
| Eruaran | PearlyG is an opportunist without principles | Apr 10 18:55 |
| Eruaran | Thats how he made so much money | Apr 10 18:55 |
| amd-linux | Gates is just greedy – he always was and with age it got worse | Apr 10 18:55 |
| Eruaran | “its no trick to make a lot of money” – Citizen Kane | Apr 10 18:55 |
| amd-linux | other people get mild and benevolent when aging | Apr 10 18:55 |
| amd-linux | not gates | Apr 10 18:56 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: “and with age it got worse” Yes, because health goes away | Apr 10 18:59 |
| Eruaran | Why the hell are they even talking about porting from Python to Mono ? | Apr 10 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: mindshare | Apr 10 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Making the Mono camp stronger | Apr 10 19:00 |
| schestowitz | They have Microsoft employees helping, you know? | Apr 10 19:00 |
| Eruaran | my god these scumbags suck | Apr 10 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Former ones | Apr 10 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Who program ‘open’ source with Mono | Apr 10 19:00 |
| schestowitz | One guy used to lurk in this channel — ‘CJ’ | Apr 10 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Collier something | Apr 10 19:01 |
| schestowitz | He works for Microsoft | Apr 10 19:01 |
| schestowitz | He helps Mono | Apr 10 19:01 |
| schestowitz | He’s attributed in the Mono homepage | Apr 10 19:01 |
| Eruaran | My prediction is that GNOME 3.0 will end up being a complete pile of shit | Apr 10 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: I’d rather save GNOME and defend it | Apr 10 19:01 |
| Eruaran | And it will be the Mono crowd responsible | Apr 10 19:01 |
| schestowitz | I’d rather see Vista7 for the POS it is | Apr 10 19:01 |
| Eruaran | same | Apr 10 19:02 |
| schestowitz | When some women with 3 kids and a Celeron puts it on | Apr 10 19:02 |
| Eruaran | But these guys just seem to keep weasling in there | Apr 10 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Wasting $200 on buggy bloated rubbish | Apr 10 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | *woman (or man) | Apr 10 19:02 |
| Eruaran | this week I talked a woman out of buying a Lenovo mini desktop thing | Apr 10 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Just some scenario I have in mind because mothers are rarely hardcore gamers with GPUs and multi-core boards | Apr 10 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Yuck. Lenovo | Apr 10 19:03 |
| Eruaran | It was a Pentium D (yikes !) and the shop they were buying from were gonna put Vista on it | Apr 10 19:03 |
| schestowitz | IBM gave them Thinkpd. | Apr 10 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Recently they hired Microsoft executives | Apr 10 19:03 |
| schestowitz | They turn into a MS drone | Apr 10 19:03 |
| schestowitz | They don’t sell Red Hat in some models | Apr 10 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Just Ballnux | Apr 10 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Novell=good; Red Hat=what’s daat?? | Apr 10 19:03 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft = industry wide cancer | Apr 10 19:04 |
| schestowitz | BTW I saw your comment in IDG sites | Apr 10 19:04 |
| schestowitz | PCWorld IIRC | Apr 10 19:04 |
| schestowitz | slamming the .NET boosters | Apr 10 19:04 |
| Eruaran | Which one ? |
Apr 10 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Can’t eemember | Apr 10 19:04 |
| balzac | -_^ | Apr 10 19:05 |
| Eruaran | I just spit those out and forget about what I posted | Apr 10 19:05 |
| schestowitz | My Boss, with a little help, starts the conversion to Linux < http://www.sourceguru.net/archives/203 > | Apr 10 19:05 |
| schestowitz | “DING DING DING Linux is gonna be installed.” http://linuxfreedom-technoshaun.blogsp… | Apr 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: I ‘spat’ a lot at Digg | Apr 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Many quick comments, about 14,000 | Apr 10 19:07 |
| Eruaran | heh | Apr 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | But I hardly visit Digg anymore. Others quit it too. | Apr 10 19:07 |
| Eruaran | Sometimes I read something and I just have to comment then and there | Apr 10 19:07 |
| Eruaran | Digg is worse than /. | Apr 10 19:08 |
| schestowitz | My 3000 ‘fans’ down the drain | Apr 10 19:08 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, people boast about follower in twitter, Digg, etc. | Apr 10 19:08 |
| schestowitz | But these are not portable | Apr 10 19:08 |
| schestowitz | So once you leave the site you can’t take your audience with you. Behold the CLOUD! Gah! | Apr 10 19:09 |
| Eruaran | hmm ClamAV nabs Conficker | Apr 10 19:10 |
| Eruaran | I didn’t know that… not that I’d actually looked into it | Apr 10 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Another Reason Why FAT32 / VFAT Needs to Die < http://blog.ibeentoubuntu.com/2009/04/anot… > | Apr 10 19:12 |
| Eruaran | cant believe some of the comments on gnome-zeitgeist | Apr 10 19:15 |
| Eruaran | “please port to mono” | Apr 10 19:15 |
| Eruaran | they sound like gay men getting all excited at a mardi gras | Apr 10 19:15 |
| Eruaran | And those who object are ignored | Apr 10 19:15 |
| Eruaran | This is why Gnome is screwed unless its forked I think | Apr 10 19:16 |
| Eruaran | I really do think unless there is a concerted effort to rescue GNOME it is destined to become roadkill on highway Microsoft | Apr 10 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Oh cr*, I forgot to post the stats to WordPress mailing lists | Apr 10 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: not really | Apr 10 19:18 |
| schestowitz | If there was a weak GNOME they would gang up on KDE | Apr 10 19:18 |
| schestowitz | A lecturer I know reckons that Microsoft has enough lackeys in its pouch | Apr 10 19:18 |
| MinceR | Gnome is screwed as long as they insist on copying osx. | Apr 10 19:18 |
| schestowitz | When companies can’t compete but have resources then they invest in derailing rivals | Apr 10 19:19 |
| Eruaran | I think once Microsoft feel they’ve achived their goals with GNOME they’ll work much harder on KDE | Apr 10 19:19 |
| schestowitz | There are many ways to do this | Apr 10 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Paying for flight tickets (Mass. to Remind) for Senor de Icaza is slush funds | Apr 10 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft may have alrwady lost $1 billion due to linux sub-notebooks | Apr 10 19:19 |
| schestowitz | That’s the estimate | Apr 10 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Was Half a billion several months ago | Apr 10 19:19 |
| schestowitz | It cannibalizes Windows that actually costs something | Apr 10 19:20 |
| Eruaran | Lets hope they keep bleeding cash | Apr 10 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Now they recruit NPD to demoralise the ‘enemy’ | Apr 10 19:20 |
| schestowitz | ttp://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/uploads/ 2008/08/comes-3096.pdf “Just keep rubbing it in, via the press, analysts, newsgroups, whatever. Make the complete failure of the competition’s technology part of the mythology of the computer industry.” –MS | Apr 10 19:20 |
| Eruaran | I’d rather see GNU/Linux have several cutting edge competitive DE’s… I’m against homogenization | Apr 10 19:21 |
| Eruaran | Even though I’m personally a self confessed KDE fanboy | Apr 10 19:21 |
| Eruaran |  |
Apr 10 19:21 |
| schestowitz | I’ll add a comment: “[better later than never. Happy Easter/spring, everybody. Happy hacking.]“ | Apr 10 19:23 |
| Eruaran | Some people are pleading not to port to Mono | Apr 10 19:25 |
| Eruaran | Python or Vala but no to Mono | Apr 10 19:26 |
| Eruaran | These guys just keep spouting Mono and ignoring them | Apr 10 19:26 |
| Eruaran | this guy disgusts me | Apr 10 19:27 |
| Eruaran | the only response I’ve seen him give is that nobody has given him “good reasons” not to use Mono | Apr 10 19:27 |
| Eruaran | There’s like 10 people jumping up and down giving him good reasons ! | Apr 10 19:28 |
| Eruaran | idiot | Apr 10 19:28 |
| Eruaran | this guy has his fingers shoved as deeply in his own ears with SweatyB tickling his privates just as much as senior de Icaza | Apr 10 19:28 |
| Eruaran | ok | Apr 10 19:32 |
| Eruaran | because of all the concerns and protests | Apr 10 19:32 |
| Eruaran | they’ve said they’re staying with Python | Apr 10 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Yeah… | Apr 10 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Well, I just lagged.. | Apr 10 19:32 |
| Eruaran | but… | Apr 10 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Cause I sent a reponse | Apr 10 19:32 |
| Eruaran | he’s still mentioning mono in every post | Apr 10 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Relating to some things you told me about Express gate | Apr 10 19:33 |
| Eruaran | yes / | Apr 10 19:33 |
| Eruaran | ? | Apr 10 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: maybe you can help with this: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/08/microso… | Apr 10 19:33 |
| schestowitz | We need more leaks/proof | Apr 10 19:33 |
| Eruaran | Express Disgrace | Apr 10 19:33 |
| schestowitz | That Microsoft manipulated OEMs,w hcih it obviously does | Apr 10 19:33 |
| schestowitz | But I need strong proof here. | Apr 10 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Something to go under the banner of Microsoft muscles OEMs to drop Windows competitoon | Apr 10 19:34 |
| Eruaran | I could have a chat with the Asus rep | Apr 10 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Words from Microsoft would be idea | Apr 10 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Words from Microsoft would be ideal | Apr 10 19:34 |
| schestowitz | But I only have ASUS’ words | Apr 10 19:34 |
| schestowitz | They wrapped up Acer’s CEO too | Apr 10 19:34 |
| schestowitz | After he slammed VIsta on behalf of the industry | Apr 10 19:34 |
| schestowitz | They bribes IDC et al to praise Vista7 | Apr 10 19:35 |
| schestowitz | And now they give free XP with promises of Vista7 heaven | Apr 10 19:35 |
| schestowitz | And they also use IDG and NPD to deliiver lies: 96% thing… | Apr 10 19:35 |
| schestowitz | “The market ‘chose’ Windows’ | Apr 10 19:35 |
| schestowitz | [because we gave buyers no choice... SHEESH] | Apr 10 19:35 |
| Eruaran | yes | Apr 10 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Well, you can’t fight cartels gently | Apr 10 19:37 |
| Eruaran | The only direct correspondance I ever have with Microsoft usually has obscene words in it | Apr 10 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Some people may call BN ‘abrasive’ | Apr 10 19:37 |
| schestowitz | But what would they expect when companies that are convicted as CRIMINALS in Germany right now are involved? | Apr 10 19:37 |
| Eruaran | I could share stuff | Apr 10 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Ooh Ooh Let’s be gentle on Microsoft |
Apr 10 19:37 |
| Eruaran | But it means exposing what is sent in emails | Apr 10 19:37 |
| schestowitz | After all, it’s just suing Linux | Apr 10 19:37 |
| schestowitz | While smailing | Apr 10 19:37 |
| schestowitz | *smiiling | Apr 10 19:38 |
| schestowitz | It tried to kill ODF | Apr 10 19:38 |
| schestowitz | While smiling | Apr 10 19:38 |
| Eruaran | I don’t think the information itself is a problem, I have to get permission from the recipient first | Apr 10 19:38 |
| schestowitz | it says Linux has 4% share in sub-notebooks… | Apr 10 19:38 |
| schestowitz | While smiiling | Apr 10 19:38 |
| schestowitz | “We need to smile at Novell while we pull the trigger.” –Jim Allchin, Microsoft’s Platform Group Vice President | Apr 10 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Remember they have taskforces | Apr 10 19:39 |
| schestowitz | If a shop sells Linux, Microsoft pays it a visit | Apr 10 19:39 |
| Eruaran | I think my best chance of getting interesting info is from Asus | Apr 10 19:39 |
| schestowitz | This comes from its own (leaked) communication | Apr 10 19:39 |
| Eruaran | They are usually very helpful |
Apr 10 19:39 |
| schestowitz | They can probably even send the BSA to terrify the company | Apr 10 19:39 |
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| schestowitz | Or cause it trouble | Apr 10 19:40 |
| Eruaran | indeed | Apr 10 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | Or send some patent troll to ISVs who compete | Apr 10 19:40 |
| Eruaran | We are a small group | Apr 10 19:40 |
| Eruaran | There is a palpable sense that if we say too much there will be retribution | Apr 10 19:40 |
| schestowitz | “How dare they not sell Windows?” | Apr 10 19:40 |
| schestowitz | “Those bastards” (hypothetical) | Apr 10 19:40 |
| schestowitz | “How dare they not support the Windows platform?” | Apr 10 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Sue them | Apr 10 19:41 |
| schestowitz | True story BTW | Apr 10 19:41 |
| Eruaran | yes | Apr 10 19:41 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… | Apr 10 19:41 |
| schestowitz | ““look what znix is doing! cut those fuckers off.” Within three weeks, Microsoft demanded an audit of Z-Nix’s entire business and then commenced a copyright and trademark infringement action. Z-Nix was forced to file for bankruptcy in or around 1995″” | Apr 10 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is such a nice bunch  |
Apr 10 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Cuddly | Apr 10 19:42 |
| Eruaran | indeed | Apr 10 19:42 |
| schestowitz | I can see what Miguel loves them | Apr 10 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Awwwwwwwwwwwww |
Apr 10 19:42 |
| schestowitz | KDE developments: http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Softw… http://zwabel.wordpress.com/2009/0… | Apr 10 19:43 |
| Eruaran | We promote, sell, and service systems with GNU/Linux without advertising precisely because we know what will happen if we expose ourselves | Apr 10 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I’m still trying to find a blog enry where Mark Shuttleworth writes “cut those fuckers off” (or something like that…) | Apr 10 19:44 |
| Eruaran | So you have a situation where we have some Vista poster on the wall for the Microsoft guy and a demo with Linux on it for the real people | Apr 10 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft #1 bug/motto: “cut those fuckers off” | Apr 10 19:44 |
| schestowitz | IOW: destroy competition so that no matter how crappy our OS is, people will have to use it. | Apr 10 19:44 |
| Eruaran | The general public has no understanding of what is really going on | Apr 10 19:45 |
| Eruaran | I like to educate people | Apr 10 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Like Omar87 wrote, “people just don’t understand” | Apr 10 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft paid a lot of money to keep its crime in a dark box | Apr 10 19:46 |
| schestowitz | See Caldera case | Apr 10 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft paid them to destory criminal evidence | Apr 10 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Some of it might still be out there. | Apr 10 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: it’s hard to educare | Apr 10 19:46 |
| schestowitz | *educate | Apr 10 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Not just in computers | Apr 10 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Politics too | Apr 10 19:47 |
| Eruaran | Its not that hard really when people trust you for advice | Apr 10 19:47 |
| schestowitz | People spend too much passively watching TV (getting indoctrinated) | Apr 10 19:47 |
| Eruaran | And people like intrigue | Apr 10 19:47 |
| schestowitz | So even if you change your mind, they get reprorgrammed later (‘rtebrainwashed’) | Apr 10 19:47 |
| Eruaran | People are generally very interested to find out just how Microsoft maintains its monopoly when they didn’t know before | Apr 10 19:48 |
| Eruaran | And to hear that there is no free and fair competition | Apr 10 19:48 |
| Eruaran | A few conversations like that and people get it | Apr 10 19:49 |
| Eruaran | One guy said to me one day, “So Microsoft is the Standard Oil of computers then ?” | Apr 10 19:49 |
| schestowitz | “I’ll talk more about distributions, GNU and some of the other things I’ve referred to in future. For now just try to remember that the word Linux technically means the kernel at the core of the system. However a lot of people use it to refer to their operating system. There’s nothing wrong with that in my eyes but it’s really just a blanket term.” http://danlynch.org/blog/2009/0… | Apr 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | At least some people attribute GNU | Apr 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | It’s important | Apr 10 19:50 |
| Eruaran | His reference to Standard Oil showed that he gets it | Apr 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation represents business | Apr 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Linux is like a P/L-only geek | Apr 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | ESR does some politics but he’s gun nutter and still only business oriented | Apr 10 19:50 |
| schestowitz | So it’s important to correlate GNU and the system people sue | Apr 10 19:51 |
| schestowitz | *use | Apr 10 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: why insult Standard Oil? | Apr 10 19:51 |
| Eruaran | heh | Apr 10 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Gates invests in BP | Apr 10 19:52 |
| schestowitz | He helps the killing of Nigerian kids: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/01/02/th… | Apr 10 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Then, he tells government that he puts money in to buy from the pharmaceuticals he owns shares in | Apr 10 19:52 |
| Eruaran | The Standard Oil monopoly that was broken up in the 1920′s (or 30′s I cant remember) | Apr 10 19:52 |
| schestowitz | The same old scam, one century later | Apr 10 19:53 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/09/wa… | Apr 10 19:53 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/3… | Apr 10 19:53 |
| schestowitz | You are allowed to tell peoplwe what the Gates Foundation is about too | Apr 10 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft owns a lot of the press, so it seeds PR, which the smaller (local) pres then echoes | Apr 10 19:53 |
| schestowitz | It’s a revolting thing | Apr 10 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Same with NYT for example | Apr 10 19:53 |
| schestowitz | The known trend to press experts is that big papers set the tone | Apr 10 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Those with relationships int he Pentagon and White House | Apr 10 19:54 |
| schestowitz | So your editors will only agree to accept consensus, where it’s defined by Fox, CNN, and NYT | Apr 10 19:54 |
| Eruaran | mmm KDE 4.3 is going to be nice | Apr 10 19:55 |
| schestowitz | They are asssumed to know better. But anyway, that’s another story… I digress now | Apr 10 19:55 |
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| schestowitz | Eruaran: evolutionary | Apr 10 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Hey, Detective GoblinRFD | Apr 10 19:55 |
| GoblinRFD | Hello all! | Apr 10 19:55 |
| GoblinRFD | lol | Apr 10 19:55 |
| Eruaran | hi | Apr 10 19:55 |
| GoblinRFD | |
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| schestowitz | You should do more like that | Apr 10 19:55 |
| schestowitz | It helps the communal investigation | Apr 10 19:56 |
| GoblinRFD | Ive got a few on the books….. | Apr 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | There are too many examples to cover | Apr 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft would be afraid of many eyeballs on its corrupt activities | Apr 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Like Comes vs MS | Apr 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | And OEM strnglehold | Apr 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | The Internet is empowering | Apr 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | It used to be just DOJ with posession of information and computer magazines Microsoft controlled to disseminate information | Apr 10 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Which the advertisers might now like. Hehe. | Apr 10 19:57 |
| GoblinRFD | Ive got a further SUSE/MS reporter connection Im working on at the moment….been quite enlightening | Apr 10 19:59 |
| GoblinRFD | look out for the article “Only fools and SUSEs” | Apr 10 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Check out the Calc Easter egg: http://jonathancarter.co.za/2009/04… | Apr 10 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. it works on my computer | Apr 10 20:04 |
| schestowitz | They hide the fifth guy | Apr 10 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Paul W. Frields (of Fedora) commented on it | Apr 10 20:05 |
| GoblinRFD | LOL | Apr 10 20:05 |
| GoblinRFD | On an unrelated note, I hope everyone is looking forward to the new series of Red Dwarf on tonight at 9pm | Apr 10 20:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUpBUMuasjI | Apr 10 20:09 |
| GoblinRFD | Not as good as: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4TLto-nKfU | Apr 10 20:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C7YzqTtFXU | Apr 10 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Why Legalised Bribery (Which Microsoft Tops) Should be Banned < http://blog.sunlightfoundation.com/… > | Apr 10 20:24 |
| GoblinRFD | Right, im off for a Red Dwarf viewing..toodle pip! | Apr 10 20:39 |
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| Balrog_ | interesting. MS is heavily attacking Apple even though there’s not too much basis in their attacks … http://news.cnet.com/8301-1… | Apr 10 21:13 |
| Balrog_ | (mostly based on price) | Apr 10 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Anything in the news? | Apr 10 21:13 |
| schestowitz | CNET hardly counts |
Apr 10 21:13 |
| Balrog_ | that’s a ‘critical review’ | Apr 10 21:13 |
| schestowitz | This is from MS PR department | Apr 10 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Ina Shiels | Apr 10 21:14 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.macrumors.com/2009/04/10/micro… | Apr 10 21:14 |
| Balrog_ | there’s a PDF from MS | Apr 10 21:14 |
| Balrog_ | this is clearly coming out of MS | Apr 10 21:14 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09… | Apr 10 21:14 |
| Balrog_ | this should be on ars | Apr 10 21:15 |
| Balrog_ | hmm, not yet :/ | Apr 10 21:15 |
| Balrog_ | in any case, take a look at the PDF from MS | Apr 10 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Who did MS pay? | Apr 10 21:16 |
| Balrog_ | they’re doing some weird things, like including Apple’s MobileMe service for the Mac while not providing an equivalent for PC | Apr 10 21:16 |
| Balrog_ | one sec. | Apr 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Cause they sought to bribe Apple bloggers | Apr 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | They always pretend not to attacj with FUD | Apr 10 21:16 |
| Balrog_ | Endpoint Technologies and Roger Kay | Apr 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | They hire a shill | Apr 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Do a Google to see if there is MS background | Apr 10 21:16 |
| Balrog_ | the mac people see the is fud | Apr 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Either way, they pay for this | Apr 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | I care less about the message | Apr 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | See if there is a bribe to generate this | Apr 10 21:17 |
| Balrog_ | well, they make money from Apple, indirectly | Apr 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/22… | Apr 10 21:17 |
| Balrog_ | this is the same guy that said ‘Microsoft and Intel are winning a market using an old OS and its smallest chip’ | Apr 10 21:17 |
| Balrog_ | the 96% netbook windows mkt share report last week | Apr 10 21:18 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/032609… | Apr 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Really? | Apr 10 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Same IDC|IDG puppets? | Apr 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it’s time to flag him | Apr 10 21:19 |
| Balrog_ | well, they do seem related | Apr 10 21:19 |
| Balrog_ | maybe. | Apr 10 21:19 |
| Balrog_ | read the articles first | Apr 10 21:19 |
| Balrog_ | “Unusually, Kay and Microsoft also choose to sidestep Apple’s higher-end iMacs altogether and try to equate a Mac Pro with a HP Pavilion desktop; according to the paper, a modern Xeon workstation is feature-equivalent to a mid-range home system with a previous-generation Core 2 Quad processor and slower graphics.” | Apr 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait | Apr 10 21:20 |
| Balrog_ | come on, that’s just so stupid and clearly is fud | Apr 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | You’re showing me Ballmer’s buddy article | Apr 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Shill ONeill | Apr 10 21:20 |
| Balrog_ | heh | Apr 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | That’s not the same guy | Apr 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | This one is revolting | Apr 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Should be sacked immediately | Apr 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | But it won’t happen | Apr 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | IDG fired the FOSS writers | Apr 10 21:20 |
| Balrog_ | it mentions Roger Kay, from Endpoint Technologies, who’s the guy behind this ‘Apple Tax’ report | Apr 10 21:20 |
| schestowitz | That’s the type of thugs they are | Apr 10 21:20 |
| Balrog_ | I see. That ‘windows is not designed for security’ is still missing | Apr 10 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we linked to it too much |
Apr 10 21:21 |
| schestowitz | j/k | Apr 10 21:21 |
| schestowitz | That’s what I was once told | Apr 10 21:21 |
| Balrog_ | this may be a good starting point for a blog post. “MS is desparate, attacking Apple” | Apr 10 21:21 |
| schestowitz | That if it gets attention again, then it can be buried | Apr 10 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Sounds ludicrous to me, but well… | Apr 10 21:21 |
| Balrog_ | yeah :/ | Apr 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I don’t want to spend time defending APple | Apr 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | They already spend $300,000,000/annum on imposed illusions | Apr 10 21:22 |
| Balrog_ | I know, but it’s showing how desperate they are becoming | Apr 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: leave it to Daniel Eran et al | Apr 10 21:22 |
| Balrog_ | OK. | Apr 10 21:22 |
| Balrog_ | maybe slip it into a larger article, or for that matter put it into those long external link news snippets you have | Apr 10 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know enough about it though | Apr 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | It’s obvious that Apple is atttacked by Mirosoft | Apr 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | But the same goes the other wa | Apr 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | *way | Apr 10 21:24 |
| Balrog_ | ok. I feel it helps show how desperate ms is becoming | Apr 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | At a corporate level | Apr 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Not grassroots level | Apr 10 21:24 |
| schestowitz | OK, I’ll mention it | Apr 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Apr 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Try to find out the writers history | Apr 10 21:25 |
| Balrog_ | true. But fud-filled advertising is going pretty far (they’re using this stuff in ads too) | Apr 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Not the same paper/attack | Apr 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | See if he met gates or something | Apr 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | You’d be surprised… some of them have lunch and are part of the family | Apr 10 21:25 |
| Balrog_ | you mean the guy behind the report? | Apr 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | The Internet is vast enough to find out such stuff | Apr 10 21:25 |
| schestowitz | And they end up with an egg in the the fact | Apr 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Google “Jonathan Zuck” | Apr 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes | Apr 10 21:26 |
| Balrog_ | put ‘”roger kay” microsoft’ into google and a lot comes out | Apr 10 21:30 |
| Balrog_ | he labeled microsoft’s XPS as ‘a PDF killer’ | Apr 10 21:30 |
| Balrog_ | back in 05 | Apr 10 21:30 |
| Balrog_ | PDL, not XPS | Apr 10 21:31 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/op… | Apr 10 21:31 |
| Balrog_ | that’s a mary jo foley article, btw | Apr 10 21:31 |
| Balrog_ | “Officially unveiled as part of Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates’ kick-off keynote, the new Microsoft document workflow format, code-named “Metro,” sounds from initial explanations like a page-description language meant to compete with Adobe’s PostScript and PDF technologies.” | Apr 10 21:31 |
| Balrog_ | … | Apr 10 21:31 |
| Balrog_ | “But now it appears that Microsoft is equating Metro with its Longhorn document-management technology. | Apr 10 21:32 |
| Balrog_ | “It sure sounds like it’s meant as a PDF killer to me,” said Roger Kay, an analyst with International Data Corp., who was at this week’s WinHEC conference.” | Apr 10 21:32 |
| Balrog_ | << quote | Apr 10 21:32 |
| Balrog_ | http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/20… | Apr 10 21:33 |
| Balrog_ | Kay, for his part, is hardly a disinterested observer. He’s been consulting for Microsoft since 2006, offering among other services, according to his webpage, “message tuning, spin management, press release support [and] high quality writing.” | Apr 10 21:33 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: getting interesting. | Apr 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Wait, wait……. | Apr 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | IDC?????/ | Apr 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | International Data Corp.? | Apr 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Where is he now? | Apr 10 21:35 |
| Balrog_ | he has his own company now | Apr 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I see.. | Apr 10 21:36 |
| Balrog_ | he’s president of Endpoint Technology Associates | Apr 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | I know another one who worked in IDC | Apr 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Now his own | Apr 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Attacks Linux | Apr 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Dennis Byron | Apr 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Also attacked ODF | Apr 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Things he doesn’t understand | Apr 10 21:36 |
| Balrog_ | he was writing nonsense about mac and iphone viruses / ‘security’ before | Apr 10 21:36 |
| Balrog_ | “Apple’s Icarus Effect” | Apr 10 21:37 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.businessweek.com/technology/… | Apr 10 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: I see….. | Apr 10 21:58 |
| Balrog_ | yeah. So it seems they’re getting more and more desperate | Apr 10 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 10 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I’ll merge this with another IDC post | Apr 10 22:05 |
| schestowitz | manana | Apr 10 22:05 |
| Balrog_ | k. | Apr 10 22:05 |
| tacone | pft | Apr 10 22:06 |
| tacone | idc does transcription services for microsoft | Apr 10 22:06 |
| tacone | when microsoft gives a conference the idc guys get paied to write down what they say for microsoft’s own reference. | Apr 10 22:07 |
| Balrog_ | I see. | Apr 10 22:07 |
| tacone | i’ve got a friend who works for idc italy. | Apr 10 22:08 |
| Balrog_ | interesting | Apr 10 22:08 |
| tacone | sadly he’s not really IT/tech savy | Apr 10 22:09 |
| Balrog_ | ah. | Apr 10 22:09 |
| tacone | but some pearl come out anyway | Apr 10 22:09 |
| tacone | lol | Apr 10 22:09 |
| schestowitz | So much money spent on useless weapons…..*sigh* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgIM0sWQ8SI | Apr 10 22:14 |
| schestowitz | 5 trillion spent in recent years on nukes?!? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… | Apr 10 22:21 |
| Balrog_ | wow. | Apr 10 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | Obama is afraid of showing the world (outwardly) an approach towards bankruptcy. It would leave them fragile and unable to get more loans, I think. | Apr 10 22:28 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is planning to kill obama | Apr 10 22:33 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz is a confirmed racist | Apr 10 22:33 |
| schestowitz | No, I like Obama | Apr 10 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Stop saying crap, _Hicham_ | Apr 10 22:33 |
| schestowitz | It’s more silly than funny | Apr 10 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7LEg… | Apr 10 22:34 |
| _Hicham_ | Hi Roy! | Apr 10 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Very interesting. | Apr 10 22:34 |
| _Hicham_ | r u in a bad mood or what schestowitz? | Apr 10 22:34 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: I don’t like either party. | Apr 10 22:34 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, no bad news | Apr 10 22:38 |
| schestowitz | But don’t post stuff like “schestowitz is planning to kill obama” | Apr 10 22:39 |
| schestowitz | It’s silly | Apr 10 22:39 |
| schestowitz | he’s the guy’s talk about his book: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWQ-1X… | Apr 10 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I didn’t know that US military bases in the UK were secret | Apr 10 22:39 |
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| schestowitz | It’s an excellent talk. Recommended | Apr 10 22:42 |
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| tacone | zomg http://tirania.org/blog/ar… | Apr 10 22:50 |
| tacone | he can’t disclose the full name yet. the first name is miguel |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is not hiring | Apr 10 22:52 |
| schestowitz | It’s firing | Apr 10 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Bad luck, eh? | Apr 10 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Novell too is firing | Apr 10 22:52 |
| tacone | well that’s a novell laid of i guess. | Apr 10 22:52 |
| schestowitz | That’s the two companies that play (fling around) monokey business | Apr 10 22:52 |
| tacone | when novell goes down | Apr 10 22:53 |
| schestowitz | tacone: so you think Novell sacked some more people? | Apr 10 22:53 |
| tacone | “A good friend of mine that has extensive experience with C# and has written significant portions of the Banshee media player, has contributed to our C# 3.0 and C# 4.0 support and to our runtime is looking for a programming job.” | Apr 10 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Well, I know layoffs are coming, but not just yet | Apr 10 22:53 |
| schestowitz | tacone: you could get his name by looking at the project | Apr 10 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Mono people live in secrec | Apr 10 22:54 |
| schestowitz | *secrecy | Apr 10 22:54 |
| tacone | when novell goes down, who will take the burden to develop mono ? | Apr 10 22:54 |
| schestowitz | It’s a prerequisite of a turncoat | Apr 10 22:54 |
| tacone | given the exclusionary deal for novell ? | Apr 10 22:54 |
| schestowitz | tacone: /dev/null/ might | Apr 10 22:54 |
| tacone | when gnome gets finally poisoned enough | Apr 10 22:54 |
| tacone | and then novell goes down | Apr 10 22:55 |
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| tacone | what then ? | Apr 10 22:55 |
| tacone | google is busy speeding up python, they won’t care about mono. | Apr 10 22:55 |
| tacone | they’re probably speeding up python to avoid mono to take over. | Apr 10 22:55 |
| tacone | when python get’s 5x faster then what will mono be useful for ? | Apr 10 22:56 |
| schestowitz | What about Java? | Apr 10 22:59 |
| tacone | what ? | Apr 10 22:59 |
| tacone | java is for big business apps. | Apr 10 23:00 |
| tacone | now it’s gpl ok | Apr 10 23:00 |
| tacone | but it’s enourmous. | Apr 10 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | memem: .. | Apr 10 23:04 |
| Balrog_ | novell owns unix | Apr 10 23:04 |
| Balrog_ | do you think that could cause issues? | Apr 10 23:04 |
| mememe | mememe is imamilkydrunk | Apr 10 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I see… |
Apr 10 23:04 |
| mememe | you see.. you can’t see dat | Apr 10 23:04 |
| mememe | every info is change | Apr 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, but ond news | Apr 10 23:05 |
| mememe | d | Apr 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | 2007 | Apr 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | We wrote lots about it | Apr 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | There’s no legal promise from Novell | Apr 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Just verbal promise, no contract | Apr 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | From Bruce Powry | Apr 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | He quite Novell later | Apr 10 23:05 |
| mememe | what kind of promice? | Apr 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | *Loery | Apr 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | *owry | Apr 10 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I can’t type cause I eat | Apr 10 23:05 |
| mememe | and i’m smoking and drinking | Apr 10 23:06 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: also http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windowsexperi… about that thing | Apr 10 23:06 |
| mememe | like bender in futurama | Apr 10 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Drinking to sober up | Apr 10 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Not good education | Apr 10 23:06 |
| schestowitz | The show glorifies drinking | Apr 10 23:07 |
| mememe | you better told about promise that novell should’ve given | Apr 10 23:07 |
| schestowitz | RMS has just published: http://www.stallman.org/articles/zeitgeist.html (The Zeitgeist Movement) | Apr 10 23:11 |
| schestowitz | “copyright (c) 2009 Richard Stallman “ | Apr 10 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Copyright | Apr 10 23:12 |
| mememe | wow.. there’s stallman.org | Apr 10 23:12 |
| mememe | i should search his site for the references of comics | Apr 10 23:14 |
| MinceR | the unix novell owns is dead | Apr 10 23:21 |
| MinceR | unix is dead, long live the gnu |
Apr 10 23:22 |
| mememe | unix is dead by linux | Apr 10 23:23 |
| mememe | sun realised it only this year | Apr 10 23:23 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 10 23:25 |
| MinceR | they didn’t act on this realization other than trying to sell themselves, though | Apr 10 23:25 |
| mememe | noo, they are switching to some linux | Apr 10 23:28 |
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| schestowitz | Balrog: I summarise our discussiob | Apr 10 23:55 |
| schestowitz | mememe: it’s mostly a political site | Apr 10 23:55 |
| schestowitz | RMS is a politics buff | Apr 10 23:55 |
| tacone | this was fun: http://boycottnovell.com/wp-content/u… | Apr 10 23:58 |
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