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Feb 10 00:07 |
| schestowitz |
Why is tah Byfield spending time bitching about RMS? http://brucebyfield.wordpress.com/2009/02/0… |
Feb 10 00:10 |
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Feb 10 00:11 |
| schestowitz |
Six carriers promise LiMo phones in 2009 < http://www.linuxdevices.com/news… > |
Feb 10 00:13 |
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Feb 10 00:16 |
| mib_ozkrg8 |
omg this is some serious evidence… it seems like microsoft might be …. a business |
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Feb 10 00:19 |
| schestowitz |
You mean the latest post? |
Feb 10 00:20 |
| schestowitz |
It’s going to make Digg’s FP ( http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ballmer_We_c… ) and I have at least 3 more Intel anti-Linux posts coming.  |
Feb 10 00:21 |
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Feb 10 00:32 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* Check the subject line: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/2/8/129 |
Feb 10 00:38 |
| schestowitz |
Has Linux just been renamed “Linus”? |
Feb 10 00:39 |
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Feb 10 01:32 |
| twitter |
“mib_ozkrg8: omg this is some serious evidence… it seems like microsoft might be …. a business” he forgot the words “criminal” and “failing” |
Feb 10 01:57 |
| twitter |
Byfield is an idiot. |
Feb 10 01:58 |
| schestowitz |
Did you read it? |
Feb 10 01:58 |
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Feb 10 01:59 |
| twitter |
not yet, but I’ve read enough from byfield … |
Feb 10 01:59 |
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Feb 10 01:59 |
| schestowitz |
I read only a portion. |
Feb 10 01:59 |
| twitter |
I’ll have a look at the juvenile thing. |
Feb 10 01:59 |
| schestowitz |
But my theory is that people are given this noation of idols in general for bad reasons, RMS too. |
Feb 10 02:00 |
| schestowitz |
The idea of celebrities and the way they are sold to the public as models is one that’s to do with controlling minds and feelings. Celebrities are then used to tell people how to behave, what to buy, etc |
Feb 10 02:00 |
| schestowitz |
[H]omer_ no longer agrees with everything RMS says and at times neither do I |
Feb 10 02:01 |
| twitter |
RMS is smeared because what he says threatens small minded people. No two people agree about everything but a lot of what RMS has done is worth emulating. |
Feb 10 02:01 |
| twitter |
I rank him with Thomas Jefferson – a leader who clearly articulated rights of men at great personal risk and cost. |
Feb 10 02:02 |
| twitter |
RMS’s free software rights are a non obvious extension of natural rights. |
Feb 10 02:02 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, they are means to goals |
Feb 10 02:03 |
| twitter |
They are also rights in and of themselves. People have to take them away from you by force. |
Feb 10 02:03 |
| schestowitz |
He has always used his movement and aspirations as a tool to protect activism. |
Feb 10 02:03 |
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Feb 10 02:03 |
| schestowitz |
Many others started as software engineers and found the political debate later |
Feb 10 02:04 |
| twitter |
True, he says that, but his formulation is very sound and rights are worth protecting for their own sake. |
Feb 10 02:04 |
| schestowitz |
It gets worse |
Feb 10 02:07 |
| schestowitz |
When I came to think of it, for many decades things improved |
Feb 10 02:07 |
| twitter |
? |
Feb 10 02:07 |
| schestowitz |
The past decade was degradation of rights in most places |
Feb 10 02:07 |
| twitter |
yes |
Feb 10 02:08 |
| schestowitz |
Return to medival ages and barbarism |
Feb 10 02:08 |
| schestowitz |
They call it “war on terrorism”, “emergency” and other euphemisms |
Feb 10 02:08 |
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Feb 10 02:08 |
| twitter |
Byfield, ” Another myth-buster: Stallman starts by being polite when you talk to him. Nor is he humorless.” Duh. Only trolls say he’s rude like that. The man is full of good natured fun. |
Feb 10 02:09 |
| schestowitz |
Well, it *is* an emergency when one is violently colonialising the whole world only to find that people don’t like being stomped on, so they fight back. |
Feb 10 02:09 |
| twitter |
Byfield, “Stallman would probably be a difficult man to get to know under any circumstances.” LOL, if you can’t get to know someone through their writing, I’m not sure what you consider “knowing someone” Stallman is one of the most self documented and consistent people on the planet. |
Feb 10 02:17 |
| twitter |
Byfield, ” it is hard for a casual observer like me to say where the public man ends and the private one begins.” He’s looking for contradictions and can’t find any – that’s why he has to repeat a bunch of tired stereotypes. |
Feb 10 02:18 |
| twitter |
The “war on terrorism” was used to sneak 1984 onto people. |
Feb 10 02:19 |
| twitter |
surveillance, language changes, militarism and a decline in education – these are all attacks on freedom. |
Feb 10 02:20 |
| twitter |
The worst attacks have been the murder and intimidation of journalists. |
Feb 10 02:21 |
| schestowitz |
People are asleep at the wheel |
Feb 10 02:21 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: yes, that too |
Feb 10 02:21 |
| twitter |
The press has been intimidated but many people are not sleeping. They have been vocal but unheard. Look at Jimmy Carter and his book about “Apartheid” in Israel. He was reduced to a stage wave for the Democratic National Convention. |
Feb 10 02:23 |
| twitter |
His message is too at odds with the toxic crap poured over the airwaves to present. |
Feb 10 02:24 |
| twitter |
Yet there he is, writing books and talking to anyone who will listen. |
Feb 10 02:24 |
| schestowitz |
There’s nothing but agenda there. |
Feb 10 02:24 |
| schestowitz |
But whose is served? |
Feb 10 02:24 |
| twitter |
Arms producers, religious fanatics. |
Feb 10 02:25 |
| twitter |
People who exploit Palestinians as slave labor for their subsidized industry. |
Feb 10 02:25 |
| twitter |
There are other, less ugly places where freedom has been chipped away but the result will be just as ugly in the end. Once you are stripped of your rights, people can and will abuse you all the more. |
Feb 10 02:31 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, all the same under the sun, but everyone says “We’re the good guys” (like Microsoft) |
Feb 10 02:31 |
| twitter |
How good or bad people are is written in their licenses. What they demand is more important than what they say. |
Feb 10 02:32 |
| twitter |
The wife needs help. Gotta go. |
Feb 10 02:32 |
| twitter |
good night. |
Feb 10 02:32 |
| schestowitz |
gn |
Feb 10 02:34 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4… |
Feb 10 03:13 |
| schestowitz |
We’re in FP now (Digg) |
Feb 10 03:28 |
| balzac |
you’re the man now, dog! |
Feb 10 03:44 |
| schestowitz |
I stay out of BN |
Feb 10 03:44 |
| schestowitz |
It’s probably down (don’t check) |
Feb 10 03:45 |
| schestowitz |
I put 4 pages on cache |
Feb 10 03:45 |
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Feb 10 03:45 |
| mib_oks35h |
HI |
Feb 10 03:45 |
| balzac |
I got my dig in on that story |
Feb 10 03:45 |
| schestowitz |
Comments here (not stressing the server): http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ballmer_We_cann… |
Feb 10 03:45 |
| schestowitz |
Hi, mib_oks35h |
Feb 10 03:45 |
| balzac |
mib_oks35h: did you arrive via the digg story? |
Feb 10 03:45 |
| mib_oks35h |
i did |
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Feb 10 03:46 |
| balzac |
cool |
Feb 10 03:46 |
| schestowitz |
Hi. |
Feb 10 03:46 |
| mib_uotl0r |
wow |
Feb 10 03:46 |
| schestowitz |
What’s up? |
Feb 10 03:46 |
| mib_oks35h |
wow? |
Feb 10 03:46 |
| mib_uotl0r |
this is impressive |
Feb 10 03:46 |
| balzac |
this is Roy Schestowitz himself, a major PITA for M$ and Novell |
Feb 10 03:46 |
| mib_oks35h |
wow all you people are so cool? |
Feb 10 03:46 |
| schestowitz |
Naaa… hot and angry  |
Feb 10 03:47 |
| balzac |
are you on ecstasy or are you just really excited by bad news for M$? |
Feb 10 03:47 |
| mib_oks35h |
|
Feb 10 03:47 |
| mib_uotl0r |
no wow so many people here |
Feb 10 03:47 |
| schestowitz |
There are hundreds more where it came from |
Feb 10 03:47 |
| schestowitz |
23 |
Feb 10 03:47 |
| mib_oks35h |
193 Diggs so far |
Feb 10 03:48 |
| mib_uotl0r |
in a deep dark random as shit chat room on a monday night? wow there so many people period that this many end up here |
Feb 10 03:48 |
| schestowitz |
Not really |
Feb 10 03:48 |
| schestowitz |
We usually have about 15-30 people here |
Feb 10 03:49 |
| mib_oks35h |
Plus Digg helped |
Feb 10 03:49 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe a little |
Feb 10 03:49 |
| mib_uotl0r |
kk |
Feb 10 03:49 |
| schestowitz |
|
Feb 10 03:49 |
| balzac |
There’ll be a sweet after-party here on Freenode and on Mozilla’s IRC server as well when Microsoft’s decline gets really bad. |
Feb 10 03:49 |
| schestowitz |
This is where thinking takes place Joining of minds |
Feb 10 03:49 |
| mib_oks35h |
aww, poor microsoft! |
Feb 10 03:50 |
| schestowitz |
I have worse ones coming |
Feb 10 03:50 |
| mib_uotl0r |
an after party? how does that work with just texr? |
Feb 10 03:50 |
| mib_uotl0r |
*text? |
Feb 10 03:50 |
| balzac |
no mercy!! Kobra Kai! |
Feb 10 03:50 |
| mib_oks35h |
|
Feb 10 03:50 |
| schestowitz |
LOL |
Feb 10 03:50 |
| schestowitz |
“httpd (1.3.41 (Unix)) failed” |
Feb 10 03:51 |
| schestowitz |
I can’t wait until we’re out of page 1 and I can breathe more comfortably. |
Feb 10 03:51 |
| schestowitz |
There’s the danger of being suspended.. host’s mercy |
Feb 10 03:52 |
| mib_oks35h |
lol |
Feb 10 03:52 |
| schestowitz |
Were taken offline last week |
Feb 10 03:52 |
| mib_oks35h |
why? |
Feb 10 03:53 |
| balzac |
lots of traffic |
Feb 10 03:53 |
| balzac |
and a wimpy webhost |
Feb 10 03:53 |
| mib_oks35h |
thats a good thing…kida |
Feb 10 03:53 |
| mib_oks35h |
kinda* |
Feb 10 03:53 |
| balzac |
They used to call it the “slashdot effect” |
Feb 10 03:53 |
| balzac |
now Digg seems to have the scene |
Feb 10 03:54 |
| mib_oks35h |
you know it |
Feb 10 03:54 |
| balzac |
how about that whole rendition of the Queen song? |
Feb 10 03:54 |
| balzac |
That was pretty far out |
Feb 10 03:54 |
| balzac |
Roy, that’s what I’m talking about when I say the highest number of concurrent users + the highest level of interactivity |
Feb 10 03:55 |
| balzac |
Everyone single person wrote one of the lyrics got 200+ diggs |
Feb 10 03:55 |
| schestowitz |
Digg effect >> /. effect |
Feb 10 03:56 |
| schestowitz |
Been the case for a while actually. |
Feb 10 03:56 |
| balzac |
slashdot screwed up their ratings system |
Feb 10 03:56 |
| mib_oks35h |
have a look at this: http://blogs.tech-recipes.com/davak/2005/1… |
Feb 10 03:56 |
| schestowitz |
But it’s page dependent, story dependent, time dependent, etc. |
Feb 10 03:56 |
| balzac |
I could have told cowboyneal that up or down voting is where it’s at |
Feb 10 03:56 |
| balzac |
slashdot’s rating system is too complicated |
Feb 10 03:57 |
| balzac |
Digg’s I find a bit more simple than neccessary |
Feb 10 03:57 |
| balzac |
why not reveal the names of every up or down digg? |
Feb 10 03:57 |
| schestowitz |
“The digg effect is much less on a weekend. “ |
Feb 10 03:57 |
| schestowitz |
True dat. |
Feb 10 03:57 |
| schestowitz |
balzac: in some sites they do |
Feb 10 03:57 |
| schestowitz |
Drigg does this |
Feb 10 03:57 |
| balzac |
I just saw a pic of Kevin Rose chillin with Bill Gates |
Feb 10 03:58 |
| mib_oks35h |
can you see who voted up or down on slashdot? |
Feb 10 03:58 |
| balzac |
Drigg is great, but the developer is disillusioned with Drupal politics |
Feb 10 03:58 |
| balzac |
mib_oks35h: not sure, but you can on DailyKos |
Feb 10 03:58 |
| balzac |
too bad it’s just a fund-raising “free speech zone” |
Feb 10 03:59 |
| balzac |
Drigg is awesome but Tony Mobily, (editor of FreeSoftwareMagazine.com) got disillusioned with Drupal because some obnoxious people were too eager to have their way. |
Feb 10 03:59 |
| mib_oks35h |
later dudes |
Feb 10 04:00 |
| balzac |
later mib_uotl0r |
Feb 10 04:00 |
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Feb 10 04:00 |
| balzac |
I’m going to put that module on my site, www.disruptech.com |
Feb 10 04:01 |
| schestowitz |
balzac: pic? |
Feb 10 04:01 |
| balzac |
mibbit |
Feb 10 04:01 |
| schestowitz |
I know about MS and Digg |
Feb 10 04:02 |
| balzac |
It’s good to see your stories getting dugg |
Feb 10 04:02 |
| schestowitz |
But it started with a Debian server and Google. Then that Adelson dude went for the Ballmer boots to lick  |
Feb 10 04:02 |
| balzac |
MS is breathing down the necks of slashdot and digg |
Feb 10 04:02 |
| schestowitz |
balzac: hold on… |
Feb 10 04:02 |
| balzac |
and the apache organization |
Feb 10 04:03 |
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Feb 10 04:03 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll show you something from hours ago |
Feb 10 04:03 |
| schestowitz |
The Munchkins try to bair m |
Feb 10 04:03 |
| schestowitz |
*me |
Feb 10 04:03 |
| balzac |
bury? |
Feb 10 04:03 |
| schestowitz |
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linu… |
Feb 10 04:03 |
| schestowitz |
They bait, then spread assaults on me to all sorts of places… they keep nymshifting |
Feb 10 04:04 |
| schestowitz |
I spotted this one due to a reply |
Feb 10 04:04 |
| schestowitz |
The poster has had hundreds of names (flatfish, remember?) and he’s on a crusade against Microsoft rivals |
Feb 10 04:04 |
| schestowitz |
Let me find a video that relates to this… mass mailing and all.. |
Feb 10 04:04 |
| schestowitz |
Found it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBsJm8HlD2… |
Feb 10 04:05 |
| balzac |
And his message is set to expire, conveniently erasing the record of his smear campaign. |
Feb 10 04:05 |
| schestowitz |
So this guy had external forces trying to ruin him.. how typical in fascism, eh? |
Feb 10 04:05 |
| schestowitz |
balzac: I wouldn’t be surprised |
Feb 10 04:05 |
| balzac |
I enjoy psychological “warfare” |
Feb 10 04:08 |
| balzac |
It can be quite amusing |
Feb 10 04:08 |
| schestowitz |
I’ve just replied to it. |
Feb 10 04:10 |
| schestowitz |
balzac: yeah, these don’t bother me anymore |
Feb 10 04:10 |
| schestowitz |
They also read the IRC logs |
Feb 10 04:10 |
| schestowitz |
Hey, Gary Stewart. Eat a brick. |
Feb 10 04:10 |
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Feb 10 04:11 |
| balzac |
I said some provocative things against Bush, which took guts |
Feb 10 04:11 |
| balzac |
This guy said I ought to be drugged |
Feb 10 04:11 |
| balzac |
and he was a democrat |
Feb 10 04:11 |
| mib_y3lmyd |
ooh a anti novell chatroom |
Feb 10 04:11 |
| balzac |
did you come from Digg? |
Feb 10 04:12 |
| mib_y3lmyd |
maybe |
Feb 10 04:12 |
| balzac |
don’t be embarrassed to admit it. I have a digg account too. |
Feb 10 04:12 |
| mib_y3lmyd |
someone gave me a link to this on MSN |
Feb 10 04:12 |
| balzac |
ok |
Feb 10 04:12 |
| mib_y3lmyd |
im a computer devloper so i always like seeing microsoft stuff |
Feb 10 04:13 |
| schestowitz |
Some people don’t get served |
Feb 10 04:13 |
| balzac |
mib_y3lmyd: have you tried gnu/linux? |
Feb 10 04:13 |
| schestowitz |
“Stupid page won’t load. Mirror anybody? I’ve seen boycottnovell’s site on DIgg before..going down..Why can’t they invest in a better serrver, since they know their pages gets served on Digg.” |
Feb 10 04:13 |
| mib_y3lmyd |
I use ubuntu |
Feb 10 04:13 |
| balzac |
cool |
Feb 10 04:13 |
| schestowitz |
balzac: the solution is only more than one node |
Feb 10 04:13 |
| balzac |
I’m using ubuntu as well |
Feb 10 04:13 |
| schestowitz |
I use COral. |
Feb 10 04:13 |
| schestowitz |
Other plans for hosting are very pricey |
Feb 10 04:14 |
| mib_y3lmyd |
I dont like novell. Its censorship software, which means it violates freedom of speech |
Feb 10 04:14 |
| schestowitz |
mib_urbv0s: no, not anti Novell |
Feb 10 04:14 |
| balzac |
I suggest slicehost.net |
Feb 10 04:14 |
| balzac |
I can put your page on a mirror |
Feb 10 04:14 |
| schestowitz |
Novell criticism for particular policies |
Feb 10 04:14 |
| schestowitz |
balzac: please do |
Feb 10 04:14 |
| schestowitz |
Post a link in Digg, too |
Feb 10 04:14 |
| balzac |
where can I find the page in question? |
Feb 10 04:15 |
| balzac |
if it’s down, i mean |
Feb 10 04:15 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll give you Google cache |
Feb 10 04:15 |
| balzac |
lemme see if my browser cache has it |
Feb 10 04:15 |
| schestowitz |
Even Google misbehaves |
Feb 10 04:16 |
| mib_y3lmyd |
i made a program that kills all novell processes. The people over at novell are nice enough to post it on there site |
Feb 10 04:16 |
| schestowitz |
http://pastebin.com/m52bac20 |
Feb 10 04:16 |
| balzac |
mib_y3lmyd: I always remove mono after I install Ubuntu |
Feb 10 04:16 |
| mib_y3lmyd |
well im goig to go |
Feb 10 04:17 |
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Feb 10 04:17 |
| schestowitz |
Ubuntu is like milk with crust on top |
Feb 10 04:19 |
| schestowitz |
crust=mono |
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Feb 10 04:20 |
| schestowitz |
Hi, mib_gnow09 |
Feb 10 04:22 |
| mib_gnow09 |
very cool mibbit embed on the site posts |
Feb 10 04:23 |
| mib_gnow09 |
just made it at the mibbit site? |
Feb 10 04:23 |
| schestowitz |
Thanks, not mine though |
Feb 10 04:23 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, it’s an <embed> thing |
Feb 10 04:23 |
| schestowitz |
You just need to copy and paste it from source with modifications like channel addr |
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Feb 10 04:25 |
| balzac |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hadxBZWxNrs <– I hadn’t seen this video of Ballmer’s freakout remixed |
Feb 10 04:27 |
| schestowitz |
Just one moment.. |
Feb 10 04:29 |
| schestowitz |
Server issues. |
Feb 10 04:29 |
| schestowitz |
And new comments |
Feb 10 04:29 |
| schestowitz |
OK, I think we handle this Digg effect relatively OK because I was prepared for it (anticipated time)… but the first hour is always hard. |
Feb 10 04:36 |
| schestowitz |
We got a comment from a former Intel engineer |
Feb 10 04:36 |
| schestowitz |
balzac: regarding that video, I put it in BN 2 years ago |
Feb 10 04:42 |
| schestowitz |
OK, it’s 5am here, I’f off. Catch you later/in the morning. |
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Feb 10 06:08 |
| mib_19wujo |
the “66 pages of microsoft evilness” article is fantastic |
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Feb 10 07:13 |
| Omar87 |
Hi all |
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Feb 10 08:02 |
| MinceR |
r4wr |
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Feb 10 09:27 |
| schestowitz |
Morning. |
Feb 10 09:32 |
| schestowitz |
Some error pages returned, as usual. |
Feb 10 09:33 |
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Feb 10 09:36 |
| oiaohm |
I see you found where Intel Linux interest has come from. |
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Feb 10 09:39 |
| schestowitz |
oiaohm: yes, but we did before, too. |
Feb 10 09:39 |
| schestowitz |
oiaohm: there are some more comments there that have not showed up yet (using cache) |
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Feb 10 10:22 |
| schestowitz |
BN has been pretty troll-free for the past 2 weeks. They come in bursts. But people keep suggesting moderation, not realising that the moment censorship is embraced is the moment we get slammed for it, too. |
Feb 10 10:22 |
| schestowitz |
Suggestion made by someone: “I really wish you would just dump the shills from BN. IMHO all those false negative comments on the site puts it in a bad light. It’s different if you receive a critical response directly from de Icaza, but these unknown anonymous shills astroturfing BN with their spewage makes it look as though the vast majority of people disagree with your assertions, whereas in reality it’s only a handful of…” |
Feb 10 10:23 |
| schestowitz |
“nymshifting munchkins deployed by Microvell, and you’re allowing them to continue wallpapering the site with their pro-MSFT/NOVL propaganda. I know you’re anti-censorship, but I think you need to draw the line at blatant astroturfers, especially when they do so much damage.” |
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Feb 10 10:23 |
| oiaohm |
It been really good for Linux since Intel started using internally for chip development. |
Feb 10 10:42 |
| oiaohm |
That started Linux desktop rework a really important event. |
Feb 10 10:42 |
| oiaohm |
Yep the complete netbook out break might never had happened if MS had improved there posix compadiblity. |
Feb 10 10:43 |
| schestowitz |
I mistakenly did not disable comments. |
Feb 10 10:47 |
| schestowitz |
So some people lose their comments that they try posting. |
Feb 10 10:47 |
| schestowitz |
I got two mails this morning.. |
Feb 10 10:48 |
| schestowitz |
One says: “You’re a hero man. Keep fighting.” |
Feb 10 10:48 |
| schestowitz |
Another says: “Thank you Roy a.o. for persisting in bringing these things to the light. In a way it’s even more important than the original mission of Groklaw! “ |
Feb 10 10:48 |
| schestowitz |
I’m doing 2 more COmes posts ATM. |
Feb 10 10:48 |
| oiaohm |
So having another server problem or cache cause hell schestowitz |
Feb 10 11:01 |
| schestowitz |
It fails for you? |
Feb 10 11:02 |
| oiaohm |
Not at moment. |
Feb 10 11:02 |
| oiaohm |
Seen a few odd mysql lines from wp. |
Feb 10 11:02 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, I see…. |
Feb 10 11:02 |
| schestowitz |
I forgot to monitor it |
Feb 10 11:03 |
| oiaohm |
so far they appear and disappear. |
Feb 10 11:03 |
| schestowitz |
Thanks. What do they say? |
Feb 10 11:04 |
| oiaohm |
Just wp could not connect to mysql for some odd reason. |
Feb 10 11:05 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, that happens sometimes. |
Feb 10 11:06 |
| schestowitz |
Heavy load, still. |
Feb 10 11:06 |
| schestowitz |
2 FPs in less than a day and FP effect > /, effect |
Feb 10 11:06 |
| oiaohm |
Ok answer I was after. |
Feb 10 11:07 |
| oiaohm |
If it was not normal for current load investagation was needed. |
Feb 10 11:07 |
| oiaohm |
Yes its a real sign wp and mysql are getting stressed a little too much. |
Feb 10 11:07 |
| schestowitz |
Have a look, see what you think (just posted): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/10/bi… |
Feb 10 11:10 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t even know how many visits we get because most of them are channeled to remote cache. |
Feb 10 11:10 |
| schestowitz |
This makes statistics not comparable anymore, but at least the /info/ is served, and that’s what’s most important to me. Late in the year maybe I’ll summarise some key points in an ebook, I dunno.. |
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Feb 10 12:50 |
| schestowitz |
Aw s*.. “Server Load 34.46 (4 cpus)” |
Feb 10 13:07 |
| schestowitz |
Totally dead.. almost |
Feb 10 13:07 |
| schestowitz |
“Memory Used 85.8 %” |
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Feb 10 13:08 |
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Feb 10 13:09 |
| Eruaran |
hello |
Feb 10 13:09 |
| Eruaran |
I’ve had a run in with another shill on youtube |
Feb 10 13:09 |
| schestowitz |
Hey, what shill? |
Feb 10 13:09 |
| Eruaran |
Rather unexpected this time |
Feb 10 13:09 |
| Eruaran |
And guess what |
Feb 10 13:09 |
| schestowitz |
Admission? |
Feb 10 13:09 |
| Eruaran |
surprise surprise, he’s buddies with drphysx and links to his video on his channel |
Feb 10 13:10 |
| Eruaran |
or, they’re the same person |
Feb 10 13:10 |
| Eruaran |
which might explain why he blocked me so quickly |
Feb 10 13:10 |
| Eruaran |
blocked, comments deleted etc |
Feb 10 13:10 |
| Eruaran |
I didn’t do anything wrong or even say anything to him… I wasn’t even overly critical of Windows 7 |
Feb 10 13:11 |
| Eruaran |
blocked, just like that |
Feb 10 13:11 |
| Eruaran |
fascinating |
Feb 10 13:11 |
| schestowitz |
drphysx? |
Feb 10 13:12 |
| Eruaran |
he shills hard for Microsoft, like drphysx does |
Feb 10 13:12 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft has presence in YouTube… they use it to “Evangelise” |
Feb 10 13:12 |
| Eruaran |
drphysx = youtube user and M$ shill |
Feb 10 13:12 |
| schestowitz |
Meaning to promote in disguise |
Feb 10 13:12 |
| Eruaran |
Windows7videos = M$ shill (I have flagged all his videos as spam: mass advertising) |
Feb 10 13:13 |
| schestowitz |
BN seems to have broken the server. |
Feb 10 13:13 |
| schestowitz |
It hardly responds. |
Feb 10 13:13 |
| Eruaran |
really ? |
Feb 10 13:13 |
| schestowitz |
I hope we don’t get suspended for this. |
Feb 10 13:13 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t know what led to a sudden surge |
Feb 10 13:13 |
| Eruaran |
attack ? |
Feb 10 13:13 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t think so |
Feb 10 13:14 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t know actually. |
Feb 10 13:14 |
| oiaohm |
Did the surge start building about 2 months ago. |
Feb 10 13:14 |
| schestowitz |
” failed” |
Feb 10 13:14 |
| schestowitz |
Why 2 months? |
Feb 10 13:14 |
| oiaohm |
That is about the time I ripped Linux Hater apart for the first time. |
Feb 10 13:15 |
| schestowitz |
WordPress gives error pages rather than time out |
Feb 10 13:15 |
| oiaohm |
Caused by reactos developers using him as a defence. |
Feb 10 13:15 |
| schestowitz |
One might suggest that Intel/Microsoft have reasons to harm the availability of the server at this time. |
Feb 10 13:15 |
| oiaohm |
It has seamed to cause ripples. |
Feb 10 13:16 |
| schestowitz |
“Server Load37.84 (4 cpus)” |
Feb 10 13:16 |
| oiaohm |
can you get a break down. |
Feb 10 13:16 |
| oiaohm |
There is a risk here that is mysql. |
Feb 10 13:16 |
| schestowitz |
I have backups, but… |
Feb 10 13:19 |
| oiaohm |
I am talking about mysql being at a critical mass for some reason. |
Feb 10 13:20 |
| oiaohm |
That is creating load. |
Feb 10 13:20 |
| schestowitz |
Shane ought to be looking into a solution for the host |
Feb 10 13:20 |
| Eruaran |
I can’t get boycottnovell up here |
Feb 10 13:20 |
| schestowitz |
Eruaran: don’t try |
Feb 10 13:20 |
| Eruaran |
np |
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Feb 10 13:21 |
| oiaohm |
Can you get a breakdown of services you are running and the load they have schestowitz |
Feb 10 13:22 |
| schestowitz |
In a way, but not quite |
Feb 10 13:22 |
| schestowitz |
I can get mysql stats and uptime |
Feb 10 13:22 |
| oiaohm |
You can reach a point where index’s in mysql are cuasing load. |
Feb 10 13:22 |
| oiaohm |
Instead of reducing it. |
Feb 10 13:22 |
| oiaohm |
Form of fragmentation in mysql. |
Feb 10 13:22 |
| schestowitz |
http://news.slashdot.org/article.p… |
Feb 10 13:23 |
| schestowitz |
oiaohm: I don’t think I can do much about this. I have no control over mysql |
Feb 10 13:24 |
| oiaohm |
switch malfunction is different. |
Feb 10 13:25 |
| oiaohm |
You get massive load on the front edge of server and no load in the database. |
Feb 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz |
“ |
Feb 10 13:26 |
| schestowitz |
WordPress database error: [MySQL server has gone away] |
Feb 10 13:26 |
| schestowitz |
SELECT option_value FROM wp_options WHERE option_name = ‘siteurl’ LIMIT 1″ |
Feb 10 13:26 |
| oiaohm |
Having the load each service you have running it taking gives us a idea where problem is. |
Feb 10 13:26 |
| schestowitz |
oiaohm: I know. |
Feb 10 13:26 |
| schestowitz |
But there’s no easy way to check. |
Feb 10 13:26 |
| schestowitz |
Intel releases eight-headed* beast < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… > |
Feb 10 13:27 |
| oiaohm |
I would put in a polite email to the service provider that you are having problems. |
Feb 10 13:27 |
| oiaohm |
And that information that would be useful to tell what is going on is kinda not accessable. |
Feb 10 13:27 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, I’ll do that |
Feb 10 13:29 |
| oiaohm |
That way you informed them. |
Feb 10 13:30 |
| oiaohm |
Most annoying if you have another switch malfunction. |
Feb 10 13:30 |
| oiaohm |
I have had a complete network ground to a stop by a switch. |
Feb 10 13:31 |
| schestowitz |
“Our site, boycottnovell.com (account name boycottn) is down and I wish to know what I can do to help bring it up again. Shane Coyle and I currently try using distributed caching to reduce server load.” |
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Feb 10 13:36 |
| jose_X |
schestowitz, is mysql down? |
Feb 10 13:36 |
| schestowitz |
I guess. |
Feb 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz |
It’s all very touch and go right now. |
Feb 10 13:37 |
| jose_X |
my refreshes still return pages that suggest so… for the Slated page on the LGPLv2 issues |
Feb 10 13:37 |
| jose_X |
yeah, i had some probs yesterday but only momentarily.. i’ll try later |
Feb 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz |
NetApp lays off staff < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… >; Intel kills off IDF Taipei < http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… > |
Feb 10 13:38 |
| jose_X |
last i read, Dan had quoted from the website.. but i didn’t get to read it |
Feb 10 13:38 |
| schestowitz |
jose_X: it’s heavy load that led to issue, but I think something else must have caused this too |
Feb 10 13:39 |
| schestowitz |
Not just Digg |
Feb 10 13:40 |
| jose_X |
a heavy load could mean a lack of resources which would lead to inaccessibility |
Feb 10 13:40 |
| jose_X |
maybe someone is running a script pulling down pages |
Feb 10 13:41 |
| jose_X |
can you tell? |
Feb 10 13:41 |
| schestowitz |
“pop failed” |
Feb 10 13:41 |
| jose_X |
I’ll let you figure it out on your time. |
Feb 10 13:41 |
| schestowitz |
mysql claimed to be up as a service |
Feb 10 13:41 |
| schestowitz |
“Server Load 39.89 (4 cpus)” |
Feb 10 13:42 |
| schestowitz |
“Memory Used 74.7 %” (it was higher before |
Feb 10 13:42 |
| schestowitz |
jose_X: hard to tell because I wasn’t watching closely. Running awstats would slow it down further. |
Feb 10 13:42 |
| jose_X |
i just got a different web page.. let me quote from it |
Feb 10 13:42 |
| jose_X |
>> This either means that the username and password information in your wp-config.php file is incorrect or we can’t contact the database server at localhost. This could mean your host’s database server is down. |
Feb 10 13:42 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, both are interchanged |
Feb 10 13:43 |
| schestowitz |
Don’t request pages though, it’s not helping |
Feb 10 13:43 |
| jose_X |
i’ll stop |
Feb 10 13:43 |
| jose_X |
i only refreshed a few times |
Feb 10 13:44 |
| schestowitz |
I was in the middle of writing something when it happened. |
Feb 10 13:44 |
| jose_X |
btw, i did one more and got the usual page with a bunch of lines each showing a query and saying the database failed |
Feb 10 13:44 |
| schestowitz |
I envy some of those who have a bif server, but.. |
Feb 10 13:44 |
| schestowitz |
The thing is, if you come to rely on ‘Big Sites’, then they control you |
Feb 10 13:44 |
| schestowitz |
When you tryst to Host Your Own(tm), then you’re left without ability to reach far and wide |
Feb 10 13:45 |
| jose_X |
so what are you doing? |
Feb 10 13:45 |
| schestowitz |
I’m OK. I don’t talk about personal life much because some hounds are stalking for dirt. |
Feb 10 13:46 |
| jose_X |
i meant what type of hosting |
Feb 10 13:46 |
| jose_X |
|
Feb 10 13:46 |
| jose_X |
no need to answer about the hosting either if you don’t want |
Feb 10 13:46 |
| jose_X |
but you were giving options and I wasn’t sure if what you meant |
Feb 10 13:47 |
| schestowitz |
It’s one server. |
Feb 10 13:47 |
| schestowitz |
I used cache, but it’s not helping much at the moment |
Feb 10 13:48 |
| schestowitz |
We turn away many visitors who could know about MS-Intel slime |
Feb 10 13:48 |
| jose_X |
do you Host Your Own(tm) |
Feb 10 13:49 |
| schestowitz |
No, it’s a host |
Feb 10 13:49 |
| jose_X |
ok |
Feb 10 13:49 |
| jose_X |
what a shame.. i wanted to get back to that thread now …. [baby will eventually stop pouting] |
Feb 10 13:50 |
| schestowitz |
Blogging Hits Crossroads: A-Listers Giving Up < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/02/10/bl… > |
Feb 10 13:52 |
| jose_X |
roy, i’m getting the page but it is taking a while to receive all of it. |
Feb 10 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
Cool! |
Feb 10 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
|
Feb 10 13:54 |
| jose_X |
hip hip… |
Feb 10 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
At least it ain’t dead. |
Feb 10 13:54 |
| jose_X |
it’s alive |
Feb 10 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
jose_X: don’t hammer on it |
Feb 10 13:54 |
| schestowitz |
Let me explain why |
Feb 10 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
I said it here before |
Feb 10 13:55 |
| jose_X |
left off with your comment of almost 2 hours ago |
Feb 10 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
When we get overloaded (thousands+ visitt/hour) I cache the pages hit most |
Feb 10 13:55 |
| jose_X |
i won’t hammer on it.. i know enough to give up after a bit so as not to aggravate |
Feb 10 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
When you visit ‘sidal’ pages then you don’t land on cache |
Feb 10 13:55 |
| jose_X |
sidal? |
Feb 10 13:55 |
| schestowitz |
Sort of. |
Feb 10 13:56 |
| schestowitz |
So whatever is left of the resources is used up by non-Diggers |
Feb 10 13:56 |
| jose_X |
what does sidal mean? |
Feb 10 13:56 |
| schestowitz |
I still don’t know what ’tiled’ the server out of control |
Feb 10 13:56 |
| schestowitz |
Like side-related… it’s not a woird |
Feb 10 13:56 |
| jose_X |
ok |
Feb 10 13:56 |
| schestowitz |
I took it from Seinfeld |
Feb 10 13:56 |
| jose_X |
i’m laughing at the construction |
Feb 10 13:56 |
| MinceR |
ew, seinfeld |
Feb 10 13:57 |
| schestowitz |
When George says “sidal nudity” |
Feb 10 13:57 |
| jose_X |
makes sense |
Feb 10 13:57 |
| jose_X |
sort of |
Feb 10 13:57 |
| MinceR |
nudal sidity? |
Feb 10 13:57 |
| schestowitz |
|
Feb 10 13:57 |
| schestowitz |
Sounds almost like nudal sodomy or something |
Feb 10 13:57 |
| schestowitz |
Yay |
Feb 10 13:59 |
| schestowitz |
I can get to the cache via Digg |
Feb 10 13:59 |
| schestowitz |
That’s where the heaps of witnesses come at the moment |
Feb 10 13:59 |
| schestowitz |
Funny thing is, many sites think of visitors as customers |
Feb 10 13:59 |
| MinceR |
btw, how do you measure the number of visitors/hits when you rely on CoralCDN? |
Feb 10 14:00 |
| schestowitz |
I just think of visitors as power to drive change. If they are better informed, then as you find in Digg comments, they loudly call for the EU commission to put the handcuffs on Microsoft. |
Feb 10 14:00 |
| schestowitz |
That’s what we need… |
Feb 10 14:00 |
| schestowitz |
MinceR: I can’t, that’s the thing. |
Feb 10 14:00 |
| MinceR |
ic |
Feb 10 14:00 |
| schestowitz |
TBH, I don’t care much |
Feb 10 14:00 |
| schestowitz |
Groklaw disabled logging altogether, for performance |
Feb 10 14:00 |
| schestowitz |
I can’t do this with my host though |
Feb 10 14:00 |
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Feb 10 14:08 |
| schestowitz |
“Server Load 7.96 (4 cpus)” |
Feb 10 14:27 |
| schestowitz |
:-oI’d need to check what’s doing this |
Feb 10 14:27 |
| schestowitz |
Is ma.comcast Massachusetts? is MA Massachusetts or can it be Maine? |
Feb 10 14:29 |
| schestowitz |
“I hope intel moves to linux for chip design. Also, Microsoft should be afraid of linux, just this year i move almost my entire family to linux and they love it and like it better than windows. and if my grandma likes it better than windows then Intel should have no problems making the switch” |
Feb 10 14:32 |
| jose_X |
roy, from that a-list blogging going down link: “The weak, those whose prime devotion is getting rich, getting famous, getting laid, or getting approval will be culled. In the end, as in the beginning, it’s about purity and (some type of) artistic integrity.” |
Feb 10 14:35 |
| jose_X |
ma is mass |
Feb 10 14:36 |
| jose_X |
me is maine |
Feb 10 14:36 |
| schestowitz |
OK |
Feb 10 14:37 |
| schestowitz |
Cause I think you’re arguing with a neighbour of Novell Inc. |
Feb 10 14:37 |
| jose_X |
yeah, probably |
Feb 10 14:37 |
| schestowitz |
Some of the comments we get are actually from novel.com (i.e. people sit there in Novell headwuarters and mess about with Boycott Novell rather than get actual work done)./ |
Feb 10 14:38 |
| jose_X |
intel should have no probs making the switch.. lol |
Feb 10 14:38 |
| jose_X |
because of grandma |
Feb 10 14:38 |
| schestowitz |
You can teach grandma to hack on CAD designs |
Feb 10 14:38 |
| jose_X |
i’m looking for the license file in gcc |
Feb 10 14:39 |
| jose_X |
was downloading.. now am opening up the bzip2 |
Feb 10 14:39 |
| twitter |
heh, I know a gradma that used to hike TNT under her school uniform. |
Feb 10 14:39 |
| schestowitz |
http://gcc.gnu.org/mirrors.html |
Feb 10 14:39 |
| schestowitz |
wget one |
Feb 10 14:40 |
| jose_X |
nevermind.. it’s still downloading |
Feb 10 14:40 |
| jose_X |
wget about halfway |
Feb 10 14:40 |
| jose_X |
looked briefly but didn’t find a web version of each page |
Feb 10 14:41 |
| jose_X |
so downloading the whole bundle |
Feb 10 14:41 |
| jose_X |
62% done |
Feb 10 14:41 |
| jose_X |
the moonlight folks are confused |
Feb 10 14:41 |
| jose_X |
but then they said that gcc and others do the same thing.. |
Feb 10 14:41 |
| schestowitz |
I found it funny when “O’Brian” said that he was not a programmer |
Feb 10 14:41 |
| jose_X |
so I am going to check |
Feb 10 14:41 |
| jose_X |
he said that |
Feb 10 14:41 |
| schestowitz |
He insisted that he shortly took some night school or something |
Feb 10 14:42 |
| schestowitz |
There are things that are dubious there. |
Feb 10 14:42 |
| jose_X |
sure, whatever |
Feb 10 14:42 |
| twitter |
Who does No’Brain claim to be? |
Feb 10 14:42 |
| jose_X |
sometimes it’s difficult to say who has what experience.. surely he understands some things |
Feb 10 14:42 |
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Feb 10 14:43 |
| jose_X |
i figure devs, legal, or marketing are the most likely.. what else is there? |
Feb 10 14:43 |
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Feb 10 14:43 |
| twitter |
Experience is easy to get these days. All you need is an itch to scratch and some free tools. |
Feb 10 14:43 |
| jose_X |
have you heard of Linux |
Feb 10 14:43 |
| jose_X |
 |
Feb 10 14:44 |
| twitter |
yes, but the M$ Astroturfers usually have their head buried in the sphincter known as Visual Studio or some other nasty Bill Gates gave them. |
Feb 10 14:44 |
| twitter |
A few are starting to show free software clues. |
Feb 10 14:45 |
| schestowitz |
The server goes mad again. |
Feb 10 14:45 |
| schestowitz |
Hold on |
Feb 10 14:45 |
| jose_X |
it wasn’t me |
Feb 10 14:45 |
| jose_X |
|
Feb 10 14:45 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll rerirect to cache |
Feb 10 14:46 |
| schestowitz |
Google cache |
Feb 10 14:46 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: he doesn’t claim to be anything. He was asked half a dozen times and then declined |
Feb 10 14:47 |
| schestowitz |
Server restablised |
Feb 10 14:48 |
| schestowitz |
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/09/m… |
Feb 10 14:48 |
| schestowitz |
Just redirects to Google |
Feb 10 14:48 |
| twitter |
Did you see the Google, M$ patent nonsense this morning? |
Feb 10 14:50 |
| twitter |
About sync? |
Feb 10 14:50 |
| schestowitz |
The MSBBC carries two paopganda pieces for net censorhip this morning: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/7880772.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7… |
Feb 10 14:50 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: I didn’t see that, no. |
Feb 10 14:50 |
| twitter |
Google it. Gozallez and other trolls are making a big deal about Google “needing” M$ patents to sync with Exchange – claiming it shows the value of M$ IP. |
Feb 10 14:51 |
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Feb 10 14:51 |
| oiaohm_ |
LOL |
Feb 10 14:52 |
| oiaohm_ |
They miss the point. |
Feb 10 14:52 |
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Feb 10 14:52 |
| twitter |
Shows their ability to obscure their formats and extort money. |
Feb 10 14:52 |
| jose_X |
value of ms IP .. hah… you mean the monopoly stupidity of the patent office |
Feb 10 14:52 |
| oiaohm_ |
If google gets everyone onto there mail system why will compaines bother building for MS support any more. |
Feb 10 14:52 |
| twitter |
My Visor has been able to do two way sync with M$ shit for ten years, no patents required. |
Feb 10 14:52 |
| schestowitz |
Redirecting to Coral again. |
Feb 10 14:52 |
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Feb 10 14:53 |
| twitter |
It did better with KDE, again no patents required. |
Feb 10 14:53 |
| schestowitz |
It really drains hours of time each time BN makes Digg’s FP. I guess it’s worth the investment of time, but had we had a better sevrer…… |
Feb 10 14:53 |
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Feb 10 14:53 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: sounds typical. They also do this with Scalix and maybe Novell too. |
Feb 10 14:53 |
| schestowitz |
See this morning’s post about Gates’ hypocrisy re: patents. |
Feb 10 14:54 |
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Feb 10 14:54 |
| MinceR |
perhaps google and m$ are getting closer to each other |
Feb 10 14:54 |
| twitter |
Let me go dig up some links. BBL. |
Feb 10 14:54 |
| schestowitz |
To Microsoft, there are two leverage points here; i) makes the competition more expensive; ii) make MS richer |
Feb 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz |
This is extortion obscured as “innovation” |
Feb 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz |
Which Microsoft knows nothing about unless it’s innovative stealing. The company built itself copying ideas and stealing staff |
Feb 10 14:56 |
| Eruaran |
http://www.youtube.com/w… |
Feb 10 14:59 |
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Feb 10 15:00 |
| schestowitz |
Large Hadron Collider delayed again < http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-267399.html >. Aren’t there better ways to use resources? |
Feb 10 15:00 |
| Eruaran |
A nice OpenCV/KDE4 vid |
Feb 10 15:00 |
| schestowitz |
Eruaran: thanks. |
Feb 10 15:01 |
| schestowitz |
I need to make an introduction page to GNU/Linux in BN |
Feb 10 15:01 |
| Eruaran |
How about a mini collider where they bash m&m’s into each other |
Feb 10 15:01 |
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