05.06.09
IRC: #bocottnovell @ FreeNode: May 5th, 2009 – Part 2
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| kentma1 | It begs questions about the future of government, amongst many things | May 05 14:00 |
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| oiaohm | Big thing here is people doing the same thing here by law are required to provide where the funding came from. | May 05 14:04 |
| oiaohm | There is a major law failing in the USA. | May 05 14:05 |
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| Omar87 | Guys, I know this might sound crazy, but what would it be like if Red Hat decides to buy MySQL and OO.o? | May 05 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Unlikely. | May 05 14:06 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm: I know, it’s just a thought. | May 05 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Redhat has enough on there plate for the next 5 years. | May 05 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Mysql yes is a heavily used database. Feature wise you would be better taking postgresql and amping it up. | May 05 14:08 |
| oiaohm | OpenOffice under redhat its not there thing. Redhat does only what they need to the user interface. | May 05 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Most likely thing for redhat to do with either is spin them off into foundations. | May 05 14:09 |
| oiaohm | What orcale is likely to do with some open source project as well. | May 05 14:11 |
| oiaohm | Basically it you are not compadible with our business module but we don’t want anyone else taking full control of you. | May 05 14:11 |
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| oiaohm | Or simple not buy the project or just let them go. | May 05 14:12 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… (Consumer Watchdog Funded by the Rose Foundation, Which is Funded by Exxon, Banks, Others…) | May 05 14:17 |
| *schestowitz waits for another batch of angry E-mails | May 05 14:18 | |
| MinceR | (offtopic) http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/L… | May 05 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Load issue in BN today | May 05 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Yep it should bring the hate. | May 05 14:29 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 05 14:30 |
| oiaohm | That is good MinceR | May 05 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Thinking I am currently restricted to dialup speed. it really does not take me long once I have a clue to track down links. | May 05 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Google is the worst ememy to PR companies it can undercover files they have forgot about. | May 05 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Jason Brooks is going to do an analysis of ODF’s (lack of) support in Microsoft Orifice 2007 | May 05 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Another round of bad press for MS. | May 05 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Googe hurts them badly | May 05 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Old stuff that was on the Web | May 05 14:39 |
| schestowitz | If only you could have Googld index Web Archives too……. | May 05 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Gotta go now | May 05 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Its the reason why they will be attacking google. | May 05 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Self protection. | May 05 14:40 |
| heh, they could protect themselves better by not acting like asses in the first place | May 05 14:50 | |
| after the fact, they should admit and repudiate the behavior. | May 05 14:51 | |
| shooting the messenger is just another crime. | May 05 14:51 | |
| kentma1 | stm is indeed a crime, however, it’s resulted in many a dead messenger over the years… | May 05 14:58 |
| oiaohm | PR game is old twitter | May 05 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Very few countries have it under control. | May 05 14:59 |
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| Windows 7 wallpaper. The laughing toilet babies says it all. I wonder when they will get animated backgrounds like E17, then the toilets can laugh at you while you try to work and nothing else happens. | May 05 15:06 | |
| kentma1 | laughing toilet babies? odd. | May 05 15:22 |
| yes, very odd. | May 05 15:25 | |
| there are other odd wallpapers in the collection too | May 05 15:25 | |
| they are trying to cash in on some kind of 70′s fashion revival. | May 05 15:26 | |
| touting wallpaper is pretty lame when so many excellent images are available at no charge | May 05 15:27 | |
| MinceR | it’s the only thing they have left. | May 05 15:28 |
| marketing? | May 05 15:28 | |
| put a pretty face on it, call it something good, people will eat it up http://www.kansascity.com/105/s… | May 05 15:29 | |
| oh my. | May 05 15:29 | |
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| kentma1 | he’s gone now, but I think that the only thing MS ever had was marketing. | May 05 15:39 |
| MinceR | pretty much | May 05 15:40 |
| MinceR | well, they also have an army of lawyers | May 05 15:40 |
| MinceR | same thing as crApple. | May 05 15:40 |
| kentma1 | yeah, lawyers on the flanks, marketers in the centre. | May 05 15:48 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi schestowitz | May 05 15:51 |
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| Eruaran | I couldn’t help but reply to Doug Heller from consumerwatchdog | May 05 16:32 |
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| schestowitz | Wayne is gonna return to kcikass Linux writing. | May 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Just mailed me this: “I may “relauch” the site in a month or so. Redesigning the site, maybe a new domain to go along with it.” | May 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz |  |
May 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: that’s good | May 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Keep em on their toes | May 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Got this by mail: Bulldogs (Watchdog) | May 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz | ‘”it took the Bulldogs (Watchdog) just HOURS to mail me after I posted in BN” What’s this about ?’ | May 05 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Any layoffs news from MSFT yet? | May 05 17:04 |
| schestowitz | 12pm in the USian market | May 05 17:04 |
| schestowitz | MSF is down 2% today | May 05 17:05 |
| schestowitz | 3 hours into trading | May 05 17:05 |
| schestowitz | *MSFT | May 05 17:05 |
| schestowitz | YES! | May 05 17:05 |
| schestowitz | More layoffs! | May 05 17:05 |
| schestowitz | 5000 | May 05 17:05 |
| Balrog_ | url? | May 05 17:05 |
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| Balrog_ | nvm, http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2… | May 05 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft to announced 5000 more layoffs. the rumours were true. | May 05 17:06 |
| Balrog_ | http://vowe.net/archives/010470.html has the details | May 05 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | Wow | May 05 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Even more coming | May 05 17:07 |
| schestowitz | That’s over 10,000, excluding contractors, pay cuts, etc. | May 05 17:07 |
| schestowitz | GOOG is up today | May 05 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft down quite sharply | May 05 17:10 |
| trmanco | GOOG was already up yesterday | May 05 17:11 |
| schestowitz | MSFT will go down only once | May 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Got to document this properly | May 05 17:12 |
| Eruaran | MSFT is sliding | May 05 17:13 |
| Balrog_ | do any of you know drupal well? especially how to update it | May 05 17:13 |
| Eruaran | I’m interested in Drupal but haven’t learned anything about it yet | May 05 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Posted to COLA | May 05 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Balrog_: I want to try Drupal one day, but no… never installed it | May 05 17:28 |
| schestowitz | It’s like my competirtor | May 05 17:28 |
| schestowitz | I’m a WordPresser since 2004 | May 05 17:28 |
| *schestowitz looks for free pics of sinking ships | May 05 17:31 | |
| Balrog_ | well, I’m stuck working on a Drupal site | May 05 17:37 |
| Balrog_ | and no, it’s not a competitor. Drupal is much more extensible | May 05 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Here is a good place to start for information about MSFT layoffs: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… | May 05 17:39 |
| trmanco | drupal is differente in may ways compared to wordpress | May 05 17:43 |
| trmanco | many* | May 05 17:43 |
| trmanco | I’ve worked with it a couple of hours, and it’s a nice piece of software | May 05 17:44 |
| trmanco | I would love to build some site with it, but I’m not sure what kind of site | May 05 17:45 |
| trmanco | http://www.ramoonus.nl/2009/05/0… | May 05 17:56 |
| Omar87 | So now that Microsoft is no longer a major threat, how is the FOSS community fight back against the other demons(e.g: Oracle…. etc.)? | May 05 18:03 |
| Omar87 | —> correction: “how is the FOSS community going to fight back against…” | May 05 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is till a threat | May 05 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Now they it’s dying it fights | May 05 18:09 |
| schestowitz | Like SCO | May 05 18:09 |
| schestowitz | So we ought to prepare | May 05 18:09 |
| schestowitz | I’ve come to the conclusion that I can read 30 headlines about some breaking story and absorb more info than from 1 article. | May 05 18:12 |
| Eruaran | Microsoft never ceases to surprise me | May 05 18:16 |
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| schestowitz | Internet Censorship in the US? Or Just Law Enforcement? < http://www.linuxjournal.com/conten… > | May 05 18:18 |
| Eruaran | Their not so subtle breaking of ODF in MS Office 2007 SP2 is so brazen it belies where heads are at within Microsoft. | May 05 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: I replied to your comment | May 05 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: yes, I linked to your finding too | May 05 18:19 |
| schestowitz | “ODF is corrupt” thing | May 05 18:19 |
| schestowitz | It came handy yesterday | May 05 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Exclusive Video of Virgin Galactic’s Test Flight < http://www.wired.com/autopia/200… > | May 05 18:19 |
| schestowitz | “Space junkies and wannabe astronauts rejoice – we’ve got exclusive video of Virgin Galactic’s recent test flight in the Mojave.” | May 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Mojave is now a bad word. Makes me think of a trainwreck after another trainwreck | May 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 to come this year apparently, prematurely (with bugs) | May 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Something tells me “Vista” | May 05 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Jacqui’s secret plan to ‘Master the Internet’ < http://www.theregister.co.u… > Already over 100 comments in The Reg. | May 05 18:22 |
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| schestowitz | “The European Patent Office is an executive organisation, it deals especially with patent applicants, as such, its view of the world may be biased. As an executive organisation, its interpretative powers are very limited. The European Patent Convention excludes computer programs, it is outside the EPO’s power to change this” http://media.ffii.org/EbaReferra… | May 05 18:23 |
| Eruaran | Social desktop starts to arrive: http://dot.kde.org/2009/05/01/socia… | May 05 18:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/… | May 05 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s idea of social desktop is Clippy & Bob | May 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz | BS: Apple is making a console < http://www.theinquirer.net/inqu… > | May 05 18:36 |
| Eruaran | I agree with one of the commenters | May 05 18:39 |
| Eruaran | I think its more likely some proprietary hardware platform | May 05 18:40 |
| Eruaran | to differentiate Apples hardware from the PC | May 05 18:40 |
| Eruaran | I can’t see Apple just doing a game console | May 05 18:40 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | May 05 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Apple to buy twitter? | May 05 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Makes no sense | May 05 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Twitter also has a deal with the Vole. | May 05 18:41 |
| schestowitz | The Register is stupid | May 05 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Intentionally misleading headline | May 05 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Could Apple Buy Twitter? < http://valleywag.gawker.com/524… > | May 05 18:42 |
| schestowitz | It’s just hypothetical | May 05 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Reg: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… | May 05 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Sage workers braced for job cuts < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/20… > | May 05 18:43 |
| Eruaran | yay | May 05 18:43 |
| trmanco | http://digg.com/d1qJ2p | May 05 18:44 |
| Eruaran | Sage must die | May 05 18:44 |
| schestowitz | |
May 05 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Any good FOSS solutions? | May 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Isn’t SAGE maths infringing on a trademark? | May 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | There’s the FOSS which is SAGE | May 05 18:45 |
| schestowitz | http://linux.about.com/b/2008/12/24/ma… | May 05 18:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.softpedia.com/reviews/l… | May 05 18:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tuxmachines.or… | May 05 18:46 |
| schestowitz | http://thedaily.washington.edu/200… | May 05 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Investigation into Mafia control of Italian windfarm biz < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… > |
May 05 18:46 |
| Eruaran | All I know is that Sage Line 50 is horrible | May 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Apple bans Page 3 from iPhone app < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009… > Apple’s Arbitrary Rejects Hit Nine Inch Nails App < http://techdirt.com/articles/… > | May 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: maybe the sage grew too old | May 05 18:48 |
| Eruaran | schestowitz: yeah, like Paradox kind of old… | May 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | It may have a heart attack in no-time | May 05 18:48 |
| Eruaran | mark my words | May 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz | MS wanted to go into CRM | May 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Been quiet | May 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they’ll drop it niow | May 05 18:49 |
| Eruaran | Sage’s backend is so old it would take it several days to have a heart attack | May 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz | With the layoff and all. | May 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz | The junk empire spits its junk at Google. http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/… | May 05 18:50 |
| Eruaran | GooTube | May 05 18:50 |
| Eruaran | they shut down the alex jones channel | May 05 18:51 |
| Eruaran | I mean | May 05 18:51 |
| Eruaran | You can’t shut down alex | May 05 18:51 |
| Eruaran | he’s too entertaining | May 05 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Facebook Opens Australian Office… I don’t like it how a lot of function and activity moved to DBs that are remote. No privacy | May 05 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: he’s insane | May 05 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Did they really shut him out? He’s still on there AFAIK | May 05 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Let me find you something | May 05 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Eruaran: watch this and lose respect for the bastard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0… | May 05 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Steve Ballmer’s internal memo on Microsoft’s latest round of layoffs < http://www.techflash.com/microsof… > | May 05 19:02 |
| schestowitz | This review of Ubuntu is bizarre for its theme/enclosure: http://www.nintenlord.com/x/?p… | May 05 19:05 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: that techflash link leads to a 404 | May 05 19:08 |
| Balrog_ | here’s the original | May 05 19:08 |
| Balrog_ | http://vowe.net/archive… | May 05 19:08 |
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| toros | hi | May 05 19:10 |
| Balrog_ | hi toros | May 05 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Hm….. weird | May 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft cuts thousands more jobs , http://www.bizjournals.com/day… | May 05 19:12 |
| schestowitz | They hurry up cause there’s more coming | May 05 19:12 |
| toros | schestowitz: you were right yesterday http://identi.ca/notice/3944258 |
May 05 19:12 |
| toros | and I am always happy to hear news like this \o/ | May 05 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat: UBS Upgrades; Worth Up To $32 In Takeout < http://blogs.barrons.com/techtrad… > | May 05 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Jack is attacking Linux again with myths and insult [no links] | May 05 19:18 |
| Balrog_ | …why no links? | May 05 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Feeding the troll. | May 05 19:25 |
| Balrog_ | hm… well ok then | May 05 19:25 |
| schestowitz | “”Less than…” I was going to say 2% but at that point he decided to do | May 05 19:25 |
| schestowitz | something more interesting. But he was nodding as he left.” | May 05 19:25 |
| bgtr4 | isn’t m$ hiring attackers to linux? | May 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | “Among the problems: too many versions of Linux, too many driver and | May 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | driver installation problems for too many types of mobile dongle, | May 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | qualifying all of them for 24 of the world’s top 25 telcos, and the | May 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | telcos’ general unwillingness to support Linux.” | May 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | — | May 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | “”Among the problems: too many versions of cars…” | May 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | bgtr4: it does | May 05 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday I did a post about anti-Linux twitterers who are from Microsoft | May 05 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Rose Foundation wrote back to me: | May 05 19:28 |
| schestowitz | “We would be happy to put you in our media database. What publication or | May 05 19:28 |
| schestowitz | media outlet do you write for? | May 05 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I am happy to confirm that the Rose Foundation funded Consumer Watchdog to | May 05 19:28 |
| schestowitz | engage with Google on privacy issues.” | May 05 19:28 |
| bgtr4 | lol | May 05 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I thought they did work on the environment | May 05 19:29 |
| bgtr4 | just lol | May 05 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Let’s go along with it |
May 05 19:29 |
| schestowitz | “Thank you for responding.” | May 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | “I occasionally write for Datamation, but my current investigation is focused on something where I lack sufficient evidence. My concern is that Consumer Watchdog has been systematically attacking Google, which angered many outside observers.” | May 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | “I spoke to a gentleman from Consumer Watchdog (Doug Heller mailed me a few times) and I wished to find out why the Rose Foundation has an interest in pursuing privacy objectives, which did not fully align with its stated goals. Any clarifications would be very much appreciated and thank you for the good work.” | May 05 19:34 |
| trmanco | 12 million new IP addresses have been hijacked by botnets: http://www.net-security.org/sec… | May 05 19:34 |
| schestowitz | just 12? | May 05 19:35 |
| bgtr4 | conficker could’ve jacked much more | May 05 19:38 |
| bgtr4 | it just wasn’t designed for that | May 05 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Here is a decent analysis of how Linux harms MS in netbooks: http://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/a… | May 05 19:38 |
| bgtr4 | but only to show how weak m$ security is | May 05 19:38 |
| schestowitz | In my next chance I’ll ask the Rose Foundation if they are aware that they fund an AstroTurf farm (Grassrotts.com) | May 05 19:39 |
| schestowitz | I won’t raise issue with /them/ yet | May 05 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Like source of funding including Exxon… for an ENVIRONMENTAL group | May 05 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Makes me wonder about global warming output from their subsidiaries for example | May 05 19:40 |
| bgtr4 | i don’t even get WHY i should buy notebook with vista | May 05 19:42 |
| bgtr4 | i’m not too rich to buy netbooks | May 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Netbooks are gone | May 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | MS ruined them | May 05 19:42 |
| schestowitz | As accused widely | May 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | They elevated specs | May 05 19:43 |
| bgtr4 | recently i found some good notebook in my store | May 05 19:43 |
| bgtr4 | but it was coming with vista | May 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | As in, they ensured it can work with Windows by making them fat | May 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Original ASUS Eee PC was to cost $199 (2007) | May 05 19:43 |
| bgtr4 | so it’s kinda -%50 of likeliness to me | May 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | By 2009 standrad, that would be $150 or less | May 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | For the same hardware | May 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Runs Linux well, runs Windows poorly or not at all | May 05 19:43 |
| schestowitz | So MS colluded with OEMs to fatten the units | May 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Intel might be happy | May 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | anti-OLPC moves | May 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | All documented, all in the past now | May 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | ARM brings back the game to its genesis | May 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Android netbooks could be almost free | May 05 19:44 |
| bgtr4 | oh no… i won’t buy arm | May 05 19:44 |
| schestowitz | ARM, subsidised.. | May 05 19:44 |
| bgtr4 | and especially not android | May 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Buy bionic ARM | May 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Like android: _) | May 05 19:45 |
| bgtr4 | i know how software for arm is produced | May 05 19:45 |
| bgtr4 | it just sucks | May 05 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Open Source Monitoring: GroundWork on Sale? Not Really < Open Source Monitoring: GroundWork on Sale? Not Really > | May 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz | http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/04/30/o… | May 05 19:46 |
| schestowitz | SpringSource acquires Hyperic to build end-to-end Java stack http://arstechnica.com/open-source/… | May 05 19:46 |
| bgtr4 | what’s java stack? | May 05 19:46 |
| MinceR | 205654 < bgtr4> i know how software for arm is produced | May 05 19:47 |
| MinceR | via gcc? :> | May 05 19:47 |
| bgtr4 | not only? | May 05 19:47 |
| bgtr4 | there are other toolchains | May 05 19:47 |
| MinceR | i know | May 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Knowing what Weird has shown, why is Roberto giving a nod to Microsoft’s insult to ODF? http://robertogaloppini.net/2009/05/0… | May 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | *Weir | May 05 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Toolchain.. /me imagines Microsoft engineers hacking software with hammers and screwdrivers.. | May 05 19:49 |
| MinceR | “microsoft engineers”? | May 05 19:49 |
| *MinceR can’t imagine such a thing | May 05 19:49 | |
| bgtr4 | m$ engineers are not that stuped | May 05 19:49 |
| bgtr4 | but they are slaves at mind | May 05 19:50 |
| bgtr4 | i saw them | May 05 19:50 |
| MinceR | to call anyone who works for m$ an engineer would be an insult to engineers | May 05 19:50 |
| bgtr4 | and i worked with them | May 05 19:50 |
| bgtr4 | yeah, ’cause sane engineers are not slaves | May 05 19:50 |
| MinceR | engineers produce things that work using reasonable methods | May 05 19:51 |
| MinceR | relying on actual knowledge | May 05 19:51 |
| MinceR | engineering is about putting science to technical use | May 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Excellent new comment (must read): http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_stor… | May 05 19:52 |
| MinceR | not changing copyrights in code you steal, giving it a new skin every few years and using unfair business practices to keep others from competing | May 05 19:52 |
| bgtr4 | is it a riddle? m$! am i right, MinceR? | May 05 19:54 |
| MinceR | well, we were talking about m$ :> | May 05 19:55 |
| bgtr4 | yay | May 05 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Sales, marketing and support bearing the brunt of new Microsoft job cuts? < http://blogs.zdnet.com/micro… > | May 05 19:58 |
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| trmanco | schestowitz, -> http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/04/f… thanks for the reference | May 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Wave 2 of announced layoffs hits Microsoft < http://blogs.zdnet.com/micros… > | May 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: np | May 05 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Most people (thousands) read in ~/feed/ mode, so maybe they’ll see the original too | May 05 20:03 |
| trmanco | moonlie 2.0 preview something is out | May 05 20:03 |
| schestowitz | 10/10 (8 votes) | May 05 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Been lots more positive recently. | May 05 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the trolls pissed off | May 05 20:03 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I know | May 05 20:04 |
| schestowitz | I saw it a moment ago | May 05 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Was gonna comment about it tomorrow | May 05 20:04 |
| trmanco | it hit linuxtoday | May 05 20:04 |
| schestowitz | The MS Boosters camp is promoting it | May 05 20:04 |
| trmanco | frontpage I guess | May 05 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Which tells you how Microsoft views the work of de Icaza.. He helps Microsoft. | May 05 20:04 |
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| trmanco | transmission goes QT (cute) | May 05 20:08 |
| trmanco | http://news.softpedia.com/news/T… | May 05 20:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/image… | May 05 20:09 |
| trmanco | that just gave you an idea, right? | May 05 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Why You Should Not Upgrade to Ubuntu Jaunty Jackalope (9.04) < http://tech.shantanugoel.com/2009/05… > | May 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is FAST | May 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Well, others do the code | May 05 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu puts together much of the latest | May 05 20:11 |
| trmanco | fedora is more bleeding edge | May 05 20:11 |
| trmanco | IMO | May 05 20:12 |
| trmanco | on some software | May 05 20:12 |
| trmanco | bbl | May 05 20:12 |
| MinceR | “if i want cutting edge, i’ll buy a sword. if i want bleeding edge, i’ll use it.” | May 05 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Speaking of Transmission, “Record Label Sponsors BitTorrent Site isoHunt” http://torrentfreak.com/record-… | May 05 20:14 |
| schestowitz | New business model: give away what’s a commodity, sell the rest: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/ent… | May 05 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Hollywood battling ‘DVD copying’ < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h… >. Too late, I’ve moved on from Hollywood… | May 05 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Story on McAfee Security Hole Triggers Another < http://tech.yahoo.com/news/pcwo… > | May 05 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Massachusetts wants to imprison people for 10 years if they take a nude photo of their over-60 spouse, even with spouse’s consent < http://www.boingboing.net/20… > | May 05 20:21 |
| schestowitz | “It’s idiotic for two reasons — first, for making it a crime to take a nude photo of a consenting adult (I’m talking about people over the age of 60 who are mentally competent), and second, taking away the ability of people over the age of 60 to do whatever the heck they want to do without interference from the government.” | May 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | 911 police officer refuses to help girl who calls about her dying father because she said the F word before the call was answered < http://www.boingboing.net/2009… > | May 05 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Scalia Scoffs at Calls for More Data Privacy Protection, Students Surprise Him With Dossier of His Own Data. < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/… > | May 05 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu and Fedora Replace init with Upstart < http://www.linuxplanet.com/li… > | May 05 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | See the comment here: http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4728 | May 05 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Astroturfers? | May 05 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Perfect reciple | May 05 20:41 |
| schestowitz | “I’m all for Linux, but……” | May 05 20:41 |
| schestowitz | “Vista7 blah blah…” | May 05 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Seems like a marketing troll | May 05 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: are you there? | May 05 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1… “Al Rousan: It will cost you more, by the way. We are working in the hospital sector, using open source. I think that in the beginning, the cost will be higher. In the long run it could be better.” | May 05 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Here you have a minister who says that open source costs more. Maybe he was drinking from Microsoft’s well too much. | May 05 21:20 |
| schestowitz | The setting Sun: responses to the acquisition < http://arstechnica.com/open-sourc… > | May 05 21:30 |
| trmanco | back | May 05 21:30 |
| trmanco | lkml has gone foobar | May 05 21:33 |
| schestowitz | |
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| schestowitz | Better to go foobar than to go titsup | May 05 21:41 |
| trmanco |  |
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| schestowitz | NoScript Isn’t The Only Guilty Party < http://www.customdistros.com/2009/… > | May 05 21:54 |
| schestowitz | NoScript could make its own ff derivative | May 05 21:54 |
| schestowitz | I’d take anything with NoScriptopaganda label on it | May 05 21:55 |
| MinceR | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar… | May 05 21:55 |
| MinceR | ^ the value of the m$ brand shows how utterly, incredibly stupid people are | May 05 21:55 |
| trmanco | yeah | May 05 21:56 |
| schestowitz | neonfloss made some big pages: http://www.blogpirate.org/2009/05… | May 05 21:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they should sell it | May 05 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Start from scratch with an apt rename like Mafiasoft ort Mugabesoft. | May 05 21:57 |
| MinceR | lol | May 05 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Pavs is still one of the crowd who forgets that without freedom Linux is just some another lousy OS X: Linux And Politics Don’t Mix Well < http://www.linuxhaxor.net/2009/… > | May 05 21:59 |
| MinceR | no, it isn’t just some another os x | May 05 21:59 |
| MinceR | linux is far superior to os x technically | May 05 21:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Mugabe would still sue them for harming his name | May 05 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Like Fiji was gonna sue Microsoft for using the name | May 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Same with some who were called “Vista” | May 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Poor Zermatt | May 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is now using the place’s name as a codename for development | May 05 22:00 |
| *schestowitz was in Zermatt like 6 times or more | May 05 22:00 | |
| schestowitz | Mojave’s reputation is ruined too | May 05 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Mojava == dark room, ugly OS , people being called stupid, trainwreck advertising that got pulled after a while. | May 05 22:01 |
| trmanco | Brazilian people are searching for gnote | May 05 22:01 |
| trmanco | |
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| schestowitz | AFAIK there was also a reason behing dumping the name Longhorn | May 05 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Which I think was a pub name that Sweaty’s peons attended | May 05 22:02 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: +1 | May 05 22:02 |
| trmanco | |
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| schestowitz | Almost everyone knows about gnote, among those who follow the news | May 05 22:02 |
| trmanco | good thing I wrote something about it | May 05 22:02 |
| trmanco | http://www.google.com.br/search?… | May 05 22:02 |
| trmanco | I even beat gnome’s website | May 05 22:03 |
| trmanco | well, gnote’s entry on gnome’s website | May 05 22:03 |
| schestowitz | One reason less to boot into Windows. Get the same apps working in Linux (joke): http://www.desktoplinux.com/new… | May 05 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Is Hubert French? | May 05 22:05 |
| schestowitz | His name suggests otherwise. | May 05 22:05 |
| schestowitz | But I never looked into it anyway | May 05 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Since he moved to Fedora which is first to adopt gnote they might as well hire him at some stage | May 05 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I heard from a very reliable source that Red Hat is working on hiring SUSE developers. benJIman might wish to pass this on. | May 05 22:06 |
| trmanco | he lives in Canada I think | May 05 22:06 |
| trmanco | my home country |
May 05 22:06 |
| trmanco | well, good for him | May 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | You’re Canadian? | May 05 22:07 |
| trmanco | yeah | May 05 22:07 |
| trmanco | I’ve never mentioned this,but I am | May 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | SJVN made Digg’s FP: http://blogs.computerworld.com/… | May 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Very good! | May 05 22:07 |
| trmanco | I think I wrote that on my facebook profile | May 05 22:07 |
| trmanco | not sure | May 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | They never have pictures in CW | May 05 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Stinkin’ site | May 05 22:07 |
| trmanco | yeah, old school | May 05 22:08 |
| schestowitz | With NAFTA in place, the US is closer to just creating a bigger federation | May 05 22:08 |
| schestowitz | It’s interestingly to see how Hollywood exports DMCA to them | May 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Bray’s views from BC are sobering | May 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | I think Americans (in the US sense) are a lot more afraid to deviate from the Fox status quo | May 05 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Scary. | May 05 22:09 |
| trmanco | wow, 405 readers | May 05 22:10 |
| trmanco | I’m impressed | May 05 22:10 |
| trmanco | my readership has ballooned this second year | May 05 22:11 |
| MinceR | gn | May 05 22:13 |
| schestowitz | ESP launches en.swpat.org: A Wiki for Anti-Software Patent Campaigns < http://www.fsf.org/news/endsoftw… > | May 05 22:13 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, thanks for the 21 visits you gave me to my site, the personal one | May 05 22:19 |
| trmanco | |
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| trmanco | that day, I had 26 visits, unique, not bots | May 05 22:19 |
| schestowitz | There was a link in the comments IIRC | May 05 22:19 |
| trmanco | yeah, I saw it | May 05 22:21 |
| schestowitz | I wrote to RMS about gnote today | May 05 22:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mail-archive.com/found… | May 05 22:23 |
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| DavidGerard | good evening all | May 05 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva : thumbs up, GNOME : thumbs down < http://blog.freeside.fr/post… > | May 05 22:24 |
| trmanco | hello | May 05 22:24 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, cool | May 05 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I guess that’d be good for KDE | May 05 22:25 |
| trmanco | argh | May 05 22:25 |
| trmanco | why am I not subed to this list? | May 05 22:25 |
| trmanco | … | May 05 22:25 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: how many minutes to open files/dialogues now? | May 05 22:25 |
| DavidGerard | heh | May 05 22:25 |
| DavidGerard | haven’t tried lately | May 05 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Could be worse | May 05 22:25 |
| schestowitz | MSO loses data | May 05 22:25 |
| DavidGerard | i dont’ actually use OOo where avoidable | May 05 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Yum! It swallows it | May 05 22:26 |
| DavidGerard | it’s what they get for all this “seven” thinking | May 05 22:26 |
| schestowitz | We had one person come here just weeks ago after his Word file cgot corrupted | May 05 22:26 |
| DavidGerard | “seven” is just a Vista castrated of its manly might by soy latte sipping weenies who want to be mac users | May 05 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Nothing could rescue the data | May 05 22:26 |
| DavidGerard | we need to SAVE VISTA | May 05 22:26 |
| DavidGerard | we ahve a facebook group now | May 05 22:26 |
| schestowitz | HEHE | May 05 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Save XP | May 05 22:26 |
| schestowitz | How many sigs in disinfoworld? | May 05 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Like 200k? | May 05 22:27 |
| DavidGerard | http://www.facebook.com/grou… | May 05 22:27 |
| DavidGerard | we have fifteen members now! | May 05 22:27 |
| DavidGerard | i’m amazed there’s over ten | May 05 22:27 |
| schestowitz | I don’t use Windows | May 05 22:27 |
| schestowitz | But I want Vista saved | May 05 22:27 |
| DavidGerard | and at least two of them i don’t actually know | May 05 22:27 |
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| DavidGerard | i’m sure you can fully support the campaign to save vista | May 05 22:27 |
| schestowitz | It’s just so bad that it might as well be back | May 05 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Is it a joke? | May 05 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Let’s see…. | May 05 22:28 |
| DavidGerard | “I fully support this initiative. My computer business employs 200 people; the best possible thing for it is to make sure Vista continues and goes forward.” – M. Shuttleworth, London | May 05 22:28 |
| DavidGerard | “I can’t tell you how much Vista has done for my business. So many people depend on it.” – S. Jobs, Cupertino | May 05 22:28 |
| DavidGerard | “Vista is the one thing that will keep people seeking out and using systems that are at the forefront of technology. It’s been the best thing for all of us.” – L. Torvalds, Portland. | May 05 22:28 |
| schestowitz | “Windows 7 is CASTRATED APPEASEMENT to soy latte-sipping girly-men who wish they owned a Mac. We want a REAL operating system. An operating system that PERSONIFIES America’s INDUSTRIAL MIGHT. That makes you feel AWE at the MAJESTY of the progress of its operation. It’s a monument to everything that makes us the country we are.” | May 05 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Joining for fun | May 05 22:28 |
| DavidGerard | “I’m … I’m touched. *sob* I didn’t think anyone cared. You guys. Developers! *sob*” – S. Ballmer, Seattle. | May 05 22:28 |
| DavidGerard | i’d make you a group admin but that’d be even more of a giveaway | May 05 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Must. Get. Mojvista. Back. | May 05 22:29 |
| jose | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infr… This wasn’t missed, right? | May 05 22:29 |
| jose | (overlooked) | May 05 22:30 |
| jose | To say it made my day is a serious understatement | May 05 22:30 |
| DavidGerard | indeed. | May 05 22:30 |
| schestowitz | jose: I got it already | May 05 22:30 |
| schestowitz | For tomorrow | May 05 22:30 |
| jose | i haven’t jumped up for joy yet, but i think it just takes a little while to sink in | May 05 22:30 |
| schestowitz | jose: made the day? | May 05 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Why? | May 05 22:30 |
| jose | http://www.answers.com/topic/… | May 05 22:31 |
| schestowitz | jose: it’s hardly anything major | May 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | MSFT layoffs is a lot bigger | May 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | jose: I know what the term means, but there’s better news | May 05 22:32 |
| schestowitz | I’ll do some BN links soon, as well | May 05 22:33 |
| schestowitz | There’s heaps of goodies | May 05 22:33 |
| jose | did you post links to the larger ms layoffs. | May 05 22:33 |
| jose | ? | May 05 22:33 |
| jose | it seems ms was just hurrying up past plans (though leaving room for more future cuts) | May 05 22:34 |
| jose | the red hat argument is great | May 05 22:34 |
| DavidGerard | well, these cuts seem to complete the 5000 | May 05 22:34 |
| schestowitz | This is trollish IMHO: “Do we want it to become a viable open source alternative to Windows or Mac OS X, or do we want it to remain a niche market?” http://blogs.zdnet.com/gadg… | May 05 22:34 |
| DavidGerard | but ballmer specifically says there may be more | May 05 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Typical Zidi Nyet | May 05 22:34 |
| jose | i’m also happy because i think i had underestimated bilski (about the *process* patent) | May 05 22:35 |
| schestowitz | jose: see BN’s FP | May 05 22:35 |
| DavidGerard | it may be trolling, but mostly it’s space-filler | May 05 22:35 |
| schestowitz | It’s bothersome that Bernard Bilski gets all this ‘credit’ for actually being the idiotic parasite in this case | May 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Bilski is BAD | May 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | The Bilski RULING is good | May 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Because it nailed the man who ‘invested’ thoughts | May 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | *invented | May 05 22:36 |
| DavidGerard | tch – obviously bilski was just conspiring to fix the patent system | May 05 22:36 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: there’s enough news for them to cover | May 05 22:36 |
| DavidGerard | he set out to sacrifice his reputation for the good of all | May 05 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Had ZIdi done news | May 05 22:37 |
| DavidGerard | yes, there is enough news | May 05 22:37 |
| DavidGerard | but that’s like, work. | May 05 22:37 |
| DavidGerard | the tech press is one reason i actually fear for mainstream journalism on the web | May 05 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Zidi is not news | May 05 22:37 |
| schestowitz | They said so themselves: it’s about comments and pageviews | May 05 22:37 |
| DavidGerard | because the only business model for commercial journalism on the web appears to be blatant unapologetic whoredom | May 05 22:37 |
| schestowitz | That’s what determines their pay grade | May 05 22:37 |
| *trmanco has the need to subscribe to some more relevant lists | May 05 22:37 | |
| schestowitz | Not the quality of reporting AT ALL | May 05 22:37 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: wordpress-hackers | May 05 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Come and join us | May 05 22:38 |
| schestowitz | 500msgs/month | May 05 22:38 |
| trmanco | I already have joined | May 05 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Oh | May 05 22:39 |
| trmanco | I use gmane | May 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I was on about 30 | May 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Back in 2005 | May 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | But I hardly read them as much now | May 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I also read many newsgroups | May 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | About 50 at one stage | May 05 22:39 |
| *DavidGerard reads twitter | May 05 22:39 | |
| DavidGerard | er, that’s about it | May 05 22:39 |
| trmanco | I’m subed to 200 and something lists | May 05 22:39 |
| trmanco | just in gmane | May 05 22:39 |
| schestowitz | IDG = IDIOTS: http://www.infoworld.com/d/advent… | May 05 22:40 |
| schestowitz | They pretend that we still live in a world ofpages and leafs | May 05 22:40 |
| schestowitz | They slice the pages for advertising | May 05 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Same in Phoronic BTW | May 05 22:41 |
| DavidGerard | of course, there’s the free hardware and user programmability route to software freedom: http://www.flickr.com/photos/… | May 05 22:41 |
| schestowitz | It’s impossible to search articles or read them quickly that way | May 05 22:41 |
| DavidGerard | now available as a pdf! | May 05 22:41 |
| schestowitz | They shoot themselves in the foot and spoil articles | May 05 22:41 |
| schestowitz | It’s worse than multi-page PDFs | May 05 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Cause you can’t treat all pages as one doc | May 05 22:41 |
| DavidGerard | phoronix doing this is particularly annoying since they have actual content often enough | May 05 22:41 |
| jose | everything is a little bit more funny today. | May 05 22:41 |
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| jose | i’m getting a bad case of giggles | May 05 22:42 |
| schestowitz | “Build Your Own Z80 Computer” | May 05 22:42 |
| jose | I can’t stop.. will come back later | May 05 22:42 |
| schestowitz | He. He. He. He. [lame laugh] | May 05 22:43 |
| jose | peace and enjoy | May 05 22:43 |
| jose | honestly i can’t stop | May 05 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you have pot in the air | May 05 22:43 |
| jose | let me go leverage this good mood | May 05 22:43 |
| schestowitz | beverage? | May 05 22:43 |
| jose | you’d think so | May 05 22:43 |
| schestowitz | The suana went on fire this afternoon | May 05 22:43 |
| schestowitz | It stank in a way. Like burned wood | May 05 22:43 |
| jose | lol | May 05 22:44 |
| schestowitz | They had to shut it down | May 05 22:44 |
| jose | ha ha ha | May 05 22:44 |
| jose | ok,… | May 05 22:44 |
| *jose has quit (“Leaving”) | May 05 22:44 | |
| schestowitz | Adopting newcomers to FOSS/Linux < http://manishtech.wordpress.com/2009/05/… > | May 05 22:45 |
| schestowitz | FOSS/Linux? | May 05 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Earlier I saw “GNU/Linux/Ubuntu” | May 05 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat CEO: ‘The Cloud Belongs to Linux’ http://www.internetnews.com/software/… | May 05 22:46 |
| DavidGerard | Though the Stallmanwall riots themselves, as well as the political organisation they triggered, were events that were fully participated in by BSD contributors, FSF volunteers, X11 people and future Sun founders as well as by white middle-class male Linux users of all races, genders and backgrounds, historically these events were first named Linux, the word at that time being used in a more generic sense to cover the entire spectrum of w | May 05 22:48 |
| DavidGerard | hat is now variously called the Red Hat, SuSE or even Debian community. | May 05 22:48 |
| DavidGerard | But eventually the language caught up with the reality of the community and the names have become more inclusive. Changing first to Linux and BSD Pride, today most are called GNU/Linux/BSD/X11/KDE/GNOME/Mozilla/gcc (GLBXKGMg) Pride Parades. But only by the sort of geeks even the other geeks don’t want to hang out with. | May 05 22:48 |
| DavidGerard | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/w… | May 05 22:48 |
| DavidGerard | (written by me a coupla years ago one day when the phrase “Linux Pride” occurred to me) | May 05 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Wait | May 05 22:49 |
| schestowitz | You do uncyclopedia? | May 05 22:49 |
| DavidGerard | i did a few years ago | May 05 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Wasn’t there also a domain like that outside the wikia domain? | May 05 22:50 |
| DavidGerard | haven’t written anything in ages | May 05 22:50 |
| DavidGerard | uncyclopedia.org is now fully owned by wikia | May 05 22:50 |
| DavidGerard | it now redirects to the uncyclopedia.wikia.com domain | May 05 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Writing take a lot of time and it’s prone to errors | May 05 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I love mashups | May 05 22:50 |
| DavidGerard | there’s also mirror.uncyc.org which is maintained in case wikia goes insane | May 05 22:50 |
| schestowitz | In mashups you can collect complete work and cite rather than rephrase | May 05 22:50 |
| DavidGerard | i used to write a shitload of stuff for unnewws | May 05 22:51 |
| DavidGerard | unnews | May 05 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Because — as we all know — our writings are just mashups of ideas we learn | May 05 22:51 |
| DavidGerard | which is how i learnt to write fake news | May 05 22:51 |
| DavidGerard | which is fun itself | May 05 22:51 |
| schestowitz | They are compositions of facts | May 05 22:51 |
| DavidGerard | it ain’t what you do, it’s the way that you do it | May 05 22:51 |
| DavidGerard | that’s what gets a copyright | May 05 22:51 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: why is it owned by Wikia now? | May 05 22:51 |
| DavidGerard | chronarion, who started it, sold it to wikia | May 05 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I tried getting short URLs in BN wiki BTW | May 05 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Too problematic to do the Apache redirect because WordPress is installed in ~/ | May 05 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Shane’s fault | May 05 22:52 |
| DavidGerard | i told you! mod_rewrite is a reliable source of Cthulhu knowledge. | May 05 22:52 |
| schestowitz | I do something funny to just redirect the front page because of that | May 05 22:52 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: how much was it sold for? | May 05 22:52 |
| DavidGerard | personally i’d have put it on separate subdomains with a rewrite for wordpress-like urls | May 05 22:52 |
| DavidGerard | no idea | May 05 22:52 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: what do you use for images? | May 05 22:53 |
| DavidGerard | the joke is “chron’s ferrari fund” but really he couldn’t be bothered with it any more | May 05 22:53 |
| DavidGerard | i take them wherever | May 05 22:53 |
| schestowitz | I use http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml | May 05 22:53 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know the licence they use but it’s royalty free | May 05 22:53 |
| schestowitz | I think also for commercial pruposes | May 05 22:53 |
| DavidGerard | the nice thing about humour for a us-based blog is that parody and satire have INCREDIBLE rights under fair use | May 05 22:53 |
| schestowitz | MATALAB casted my contribs BSD some days ago | May 05 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Not given a choice even !! | May 05 22:54 |
| DavidGerard | even for commercial purposes | May 05 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Tell that to YouTube | May 05 22:54 |
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| schestowitz | They obey takedown requests for cases where people like CNN anchors get bitchslapped | May 05 22:54 |
| schestowitz | neonfloss: you’re blogpirate admin, right? | May 05 22:54 |
| DavidGerard | the problem being it’s their server | May 05 22:55 |
| DavidGerard | putting it on one’s own server would be much safer in this regard | May 05 22:55 |
| neonfloss | yay | May 05 22:55 |
| neonfloss | yea * | May 05 22:55 |
| neonfloss | why? | May 05 22:55 |
| schestowitz | neonfloss:I saw it in TuxMachines | May 05 22:55 |
| schestowitz | 6 distros | May 05 22:55 |
| neonfloss | ? | May 05 22:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.blogpirate.org/2009/0… | May 05 22:56 |
| neonfloss | nice | May 05 22:56 |
| neonfloss | ive been out of it for the past couple days | May 05 22:56 |
| neonfloss | thanks for heads up | May 05 22:56 |
| schestowitz | New release of Microsoft Moonlight (no typo): http://tirania.org/blog/archive/… | May 05 22:56 |
| neonfloss | heh | May 05 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Upgrading to Mandriva 2009.1 < http://colin.guthr.ie/development/upg… > | May 05 22:59 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: The LKML Summary Podcast http://lwn.net/Article… | May 05 23:00 |
| trmanco | interesting | May 05 23:01 |
| trmanco | thanks | May 05 23:01 |
| trmanco | wow look ar this -> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto… | May 05 23:12 |
| trmanco | 404 | May 05 23:12 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.zdnet.com/ITFacts/?p=5334 | May 05 23:12 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi All! | May 05 23:14 |
| trmanco | hi | May 05 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | how r u doing trmanco? | May 05 23:15 |
| trmanco | _Hicham_, fine and you? | May 05 23:16 |
| _Hicham_ | I am good, thought still stumbling upon gtkmmglext | May 05 23:17 |
| _Hicham_ | have u ever worked with it? | May 05 23:17 |
| trmanco | I’ve never heard of it | May 05 23:24 |
| _Hicham_ | have u ever worked with OpenGL? | May 05 23:27 |
| trmanco | no, never | May 05 23:29 |
| DavidGerard | heh. http://www.internetnews.com/sof… jim whitehurst crowing over how good business is for red hat. | May 05 23:31 |
| schestowitz | “So, we exited, and there was no more Old Port for RedMonk. That’s the bad news. The good news is that a couple of weeks later, I’ve resettled in what is going to be an even better home for the firm eight or nine blocks from the former office.” | May 05 23:31 |
| schestowitz | http://redmonk.com/sogrady/20… | May 05 23:32 |
| schestowitz | mortgage victim? | May 05 23:32 |
| DavidGerard | quite possibly | May 05 23:32 |
| DavidGerard | landlords having a financial crunch often makes problems for the tenants | May 05 23:32 |
| schestowitz | In my eyes they lost credibility when they took MS money while carrying on with the FOSS spiel | May 05 23:33 |
| schestowitz | Alex left iTWire | May 05 23:34 |
| schestowitz | this is good | May 05 23:34 |
| schestowitz | less msfters | May 05 23:34 |
| DavidGerard | alex who? | May 05 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Reutt something | May 05 23:35 |
| schestowitz | lots of ms boosters quit | May 05 23:35 |
| schestowitz | watchers too | May 05 23:35 |
| schestowitz | mary jo became pr | May 05 23:35 |
| *schestowitz eats apple | May 05 23:35 | |
| schestowitz | so typing w one hand | May 05 23:36 |
| DavidGerard | Microsoft Completely Enderelependent Analysis, Inc. | May 05 23:36 |
| DavidGerard | Mary Jo Enderle, Alex Reuttderle, Ed Bottderle, Dan Lyonderle, etc. | May 05 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Ed Bought | May 05 23:37 |
| DavidGerard | http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/a… – a jawdroppingly, spectacularly awful idea | May 05 23:37 |
| DavidGerard | an idea so epic in its fail you almost want it to happen to foment internet revolution. p2p pirate email etc. | May 05 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Enderle Associates, founded by founder Enderle and president in chief enderle, seniot analyderle | May 05 23:38 |
| schestowitz | He keeps changing funny | May 05 23:38 |
| schestowitz | He keeps changing titles | May 05 23:38 |
| schestowitz | It’s very funny | May 05 23:38 |
| schestowitz | the Mac fans joke about his one-man ‘firm’ as well | May 05 23:38 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: I’ll need to phone BN associates tomorrow | May 05 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Here in BN labs we need to conduct experiments with SUSE | May 05 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Feel free to tax our secretary and be sure to pick a number for the queue |
May 05 23:39 |
| DavidGerard | what, poking it with sticks? | May 05 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Doctor’s office are a lot like that | May 05 23:39 |
| schestowitz | They give the illusion of demand | May 05 23:39 |
| DavidGerard | or is that only in your spare time at lunch? | May 05 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Like dentists | May 05 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Just condense all the meeting with ‘patience’ | May 05 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Always refer to secrettary to pretend you’re too busty | May 05 23:40 |
| DavidGerard | ill-favoured typo there | May 05 23:40 |
| schestowitz | All for the glorification for the genius | May 05 23:40 |
| schestowitz | I was mused to see some publicatyions do the same | May 05 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Like call it “labe;” | May 05 23:40 |
| schestowitz | “eWeek lab” | May 05 23:40 |
| schestowitz | That’d be jason Brooks | May 05 23:40 |
| schestowitz | And Matt Hartley talks about his labs | May 05 23:41 |
| DavidGerard | “Notnews Lab”, the copy of virtualbox i don’t run anything in any more | May 05 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Probably some CRT at home | May 05 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Others are amused by this too | May 05 23:41 |
| schestowitz | There are lots of ‘businesses’ out there which put an illusion of size | May 05 23:41 |
| schestowitz | It’s easy with the Internet in particular | May 05 23:41 |
| schestowitz | NotNews lab | May 05 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Sounds exciting | May 05 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Add a banner that says departments | May 05 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Then put your daughter’s phone # or something and call it “customer feedback” | May 05 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Plurality for scale | May 05 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Like in the paper, deny comments. They show how little response there is to ‘big’ press | May 05 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Shills online > http://www.actonline.org/ | May 05 23:44 |
| schestowitz | It’s hilarious | May 05 23:44 |
| schestowitz | When SweatyB and PearlyG stops feeding this shillporation, they too will go out of busienss | May 05 23:45 |
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| schestowitz | gn | May 05 23:56 |
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