03.27.09

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 26th, 2009 – Part 2

Posted in IRC Logs at 5:16 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

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schestowitz	Re: Comes exhibit, says a friend of mine: “[this reminds me of Ballmers' baiting of Google, eg their web suite isn't a real Office suite. In other words please needlessly expend energy on the desktop while we 'innovate' in the cloud.. purr of evil ]“	Mar 26 17:32
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_Hicham_	I just got an Ubuntu CD from Canonical	Mar 26 17:34
_Hicham_	for how long would they maintain the shipit service?	Mar 26 17:35
schestowitz	Madoff data can be extradited back to US < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… >. They hunt the small fish. Those involved are many and some worked for the Federal Reserve and international banks. They let it all happen.	Mar 26 17:35
schestowitz	_Hicham_: good question, I dunno. But ShipIt gave them the momentum	Mar 26 17:36
schestowitz	Had it not been for their CDs, I would probably never install it	Mar 26 17:36
_Hicham_	it is a great initiative	Mar 26 17:36
_Hicham_	but u told me that the Ubuntu way is risky	Mar 26 17:36
_Hicham_	why?	Mar 26 17:36
schestowitz	The police is using “child-molesting terrorists” (Excuse) to stop Wikileaks from publishing truths http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009…	Mar 26 17:37
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schestowitz	Reason for many migration to GNU/Linux this week (before the storm): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2…	Mar 26 17:41
schestowitz	BoycottNovell grew a lot since the site update on Friday. We’re getting over 4GB/day (traffic) quite consistently.	Mar 26 17:43
schestowitz	Oh, so my instinct was right. IBM layoffs really means “offshoring” http://online.wsj.com/article/S…	Mar 26 17:51
schestowitz	Novell too will offshore many jobs	Mar 26 17:51
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trmanco	http://simplecomplexity.net/2009/03/2…	Mar 26 17:56
trmanco	look at windows live	Mar 26 17:57
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schestowitz	trmanco: it’s hardly live, it’s dying. Google gains the quickest, IIRC	Mar 26 17:58
schestowitz	AOL and Hotmail = legacy.	Mar 26 17:58
schestowitz	All MS can do not is use IDG to twist, jump &shout whenever GMail falls over or coughs for a moment	Mar 26 17:59
PeterF	schestowitz, gmail has done that?	Mar 26 17:59
schestowitz	Like… whenever BN goes offline there’s some troll making up some plot about evil things happening and policeman storming over some house	Mar 26 17:59
trmanco	lol	Mar 26 18:00
trmanco	what can we do… just ignore them	Mar 26 18:00
schestowitz	I don’t see them	Mar 26 18:00
schestowitz	By I have Google Alerts	Mar 26 18:00
schestowitz	*But	Mar 26 18:00
schestowitz	sigh Digg is the br0ken	Mar 26 18:01
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schestowitz	Just viewing pages there leads to timeouts sometimes	Mar 26 18:01
wtfyan	i’m tired of boycotting novell, wanna run openoffice writer for no particular reason	Mar 26 18:02
wtfyan	i know how to fix dat, i will just run it and close right away XD	Mar 26 18:03
Omar871	schestowitz: Your posts have made me hate Microsoft pathologically.	Mar 26 18:04
wtfyan	didn’t you hate m$ before?	Mar 26 18:04
Omar871	wtfyan: Of course I did hate it before. But now is more than ever.	Mar 26 18:05
wtfyan	i hate it as an idea	Mar 26 18:06
PeterF	I started to really hate M$ after got into Linux.	Mar 26 18:06
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wtfyan	that’s why i never pay for m$ products	Mar 26 18:06
wtfyan	but use them at home widely	Mar 26 18:06
PeterF	I nice OS makes one hate the weak ones.	Mar 26 18:06
Omar871	schestowitz: Right now, almost the only thing in my mind is that I’m dying to fly all the way to Redmond, grab Gates and Ballmer by their nicks, and smash their heads together like two eggs.. ><	Mar 26 18:06
PeterF	M$ have a lot of losers working for them.	Mar 26 18:07
wtfyan	that’s weak dude, you better spread the truth and don’t pay for it	Mar 26 18:07
wtfyan	it hits them more	Mar 26 18:08
wtfyan	the more people know what m$ is the less power they have against our minds XD	Mar 26 18:08
Omar871	But what makes things worse, is that M$ has got almost all the Marketing, all the Business advantages, all the money they need to buy reputation and competitive leadership.	Mar 26 18:08
schestowitz	Omar871: ballmer’s skulls will hur billg’s more	Mar 26 18:09
schestowitz	*skull will hurt	Mar 26 18:09
trmanco	I would love to get myself one of these -> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/…	Mar 26 18:09
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schestowitz	It’s like The Stooges	Mar 26 18:09
schestowitz	Wait… I want to find the da da da video	Mar 26 18:09
Omar871	In other words, all black magic they need to hypnotize the entire industry..	Mar 26 18:10
Omar871	all the black magic..	Mar 26 18:10
schestowitz	here, it’s comical: http://www.youtube.com/watch?…	Mar 26 18:10
wtfyan	it’s not even black magic, Omar871	Mar 26 18:10
schestowitz	Omar871: so organise to spread information	Mar 26 18:11
wtfyan	it’s just lies, unfair ultimatums, bribes and other mean things	Mar 26 18:11
schestowitz	Marketing is against information, by definition	Mar 26 18:11
schestowitz	it’s about making people make misinformed choices	Mar 26 18:11
schestowitz	Else PR is not needed, naturally.	Mar 26 18:11
schestowitz	So imposed illusion is what Microsoft buys	Mar 26 18:11
schestowitz	“Gates” ‘Foundation’, Surface BS, letters from dead people who ‘support’ Microsoft Corp.	Mar 26 18:12
Omar871	wtfyan: This is why I call it black magic. It’s all lies.	Mar 26 18:12
wtfyan	black magic is much more	Mar 26 18:12
schestowitz	An American in BN called it “United States of Advertising”	Mar 26 18:12
schestowitz	Made me LOL	Mar 26 18:13
Omar871	lol	Mar 26 18:13
schestowitz	“We’re rich, we’re huge….. we’re……… 11 trillion dollars in debt?!?!”	Mar 26 18:13
Omar871	lol	Mar 26 18:13
schestowitz	trmanco: do you need 8TB?	Mar 26 18:14
schestowitz	I have just 1.4TB at home	Mar 26 18:14
wtfyan	i will personally like 8tb hdd ova here	Mar 26 18:14
schestowitz	Actually, no… more like1	Mar 26 18:14
wtfyan	it’s 1.1tb here	Mar 26 18:15
schestowitz	Better to have 2 of 4GB… for backup/redundancy	Mar 26 18:15
schestowitz	*gb-tb	Mar 26 18:15
wtfyan	but i delete plenty of foolish torrents to make space	Mar 26 18:15
wtfyan	in case i have 8tb i won’t delete until only 1tb left	Mar 26 18:15
trmanco	schestowitz, not really, just to showoff	Mar 26 18:16
trmanco	1 TB would be enough	Mar 26 18:16
wtfyan	8tb… dreaming	Mar 26 18:16
trmanco	well, I only have about 380 GB	Mar 26 18:16
trmanco	total	Mar 26 18:17
Omar871	schestowitz: Everytime I listen to Steve Ballmer talking, I feel like smashing my laptop against the wall!	Mar 26 18:17
trmanco	including an external hard drive	Mar 26 18:17
wtfyan	i will spend 320x320x320x320 for raid0	Mar 26 18:17
Omar871	He just gets on my nerves!!	Mar 26 18:17
wtfyan	and all the other for torrents and backup	Mar 26 18:17
trmanco	I would love to manage a free software mirror	Mar 26 18:18
wtfyan	me too	Mar 26 18:18
trmanco	but I don’t have the resources for it	Mar 26 18:18
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trmanco	maybe some day I will provide a free software mirror	Mar 26 18:18
Omar871	But the man who egged him back in Hungary, he’s a champion!	Mar 26 18:18
trmanco	at least*	Mar 26 18:18
trmanco	1 at least*	Mar 26 18:18
schestowitz	How to resolve Conficker? “Linux-only HoneyPoint GUI. You can download the zip file from here.” http://www.itworld.com/security/65031…	Mar 26 18:19
wtfyan	trmanco, for all platforms?	Mar 26 18:19
schestowitz	Omar871: smash it.	Mar 26 18:19
schestowitz	Maybe they’ll send you a new one	Mar 26 18:19
schestowitz	But only if you write a good review of Vista7	Mar 26 18:20
trmanco	wtfyan, something like a GNU/Linux distro mirror	Mar 26 18:20
schestowitz	Else they’ll throw you out like they did with Kennedy	Mar 26 18:20
Omar871	schestowitz: LOL! Yeah!.	Mar 26 18:20
schestowitz	he didn’t get his freebie MS laptop	Mar 26 18:20
Omar871	Kennedy?	Mar 26 18:20
schestowitz	Omar871: the Hungarian dude was misportrayed by the press	Mar 26 18:21
schestowitz	The ‘business press’ would say nothing about Microsoft’s crimes there	Mar 26 18:21
schestowitz	it’s only those who ‘dare’ to protest	Mar 26 18:21
schestowitz	Business suit = good	Mar 26 18:21
Omar871	schestowitz: Of course.	Mar 26 18:21
schestowitz	Poor guy = bad	Mar 26 18:21
schestowitz	Ship with cannons =good	Mar 26 18:21
schestowitz	Small dingy and hand rifle = bad	Mar 26 18:22
Omar871	schestowitz: What freaked me out are those bastards around him who made look like an idiot.	Mar 26 18:22
schestowitz	Well, they attended	Mar 26 18:22
schestowitz	So they think like, “wow, if only I was like pearlyG”	Mar 26 18:22
Omar871	schestowitz: But you know what? They are the a morons.	Mar 26 18:23
schestowitz	Remember that classic western education says, the greater the bank balance, the better the person	Mar 26 18:23
wtfyan	just recall who founded usa	Mar 26 18:24
wtfyan	plenty of thieves, murderers, other criminals	Mar 26 18:24
schestowitz	Typical ZDNet. Tom Steinert-Threlkeld didn’t hear about China’s $98 netbook that runs GNU/Linux. http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=15244	Mar 26 18:27
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schestowitz	wb, twitter	Mar 26 18:28
trmanco	oh that twitter	Mar 26 18:29
trmanco		Mar 26 18:29
twitter	hello	Mar 26 18:29
trmanco	I thought the website was down	Mar 26 18:29
trmanco	hello	Mar 26 18:29
twitter	this twitter is a happy twitter	Mar 26 18:30
trmanco	and never goes down	Mar 26 18:31
trmanco	oops :)*	Mar 26 18:31
Omar871	Well, just to wrap things up: “Money can buy fame, reputation, competition, market share… etc. But there’s one thing that money can never buy, and that is.. Immortality.”	Mar 26 18:32
schestowitz	Yes	Mar 26 18:32
schestowitz	And you can’t take your money with you when you die	Mar 26 18:33
Omar871	Exactly.	Mar 26 18:33
schestowitz	Well, you can turn it to cash and put it in your coffin	Mar 26 18:33
schestowitz	If that seems like good fun.	Mar 26 18:33
twitter	So, the crooks enjoy spending your money as fast as they can.	Mar 26 18:33
schestowitz	Spend =export to Helvetica	Mar 26 18:33
wtfyan	what’s helvetica besides font?	Mar 26 18:34
twitter	Or the largest private yacht in the world	Mar 26 18:34
Omar871	And.. if M$ still think they can defeat FLOSS through business, then I don’t believe there should be anything to worry about.	Mar 26 18:34
twitter	SS M$ has a hole larger than the Titanic’s. The French National Police example is fantastic.	Mar 26 18:35
twitter	http://bayimg.com/daoeBAABe	Mar 26 18:38
schestowitz	wtfyan: I meant Helvetia	Mar 26 18:38
schestowitz	They stash in in bank accounts in safer havens where it’s ‘more’ guaranteed to be extractable	Mar 26 18:39
schestowitz	Which means the banks in the US will die, screwing the small guys	Mar 26 18:39
schestowitz	The way banks work, they operate OK on the assumption that not everyone will come demanding the money _at the same time_	Mar 26 18:39
schestowitz	So, when the wealthy people reach panic and send it over to Switzerland, then the banks have no real money that they can lend	Mar 26 18:40
schestowitz	The savings which were use to borrow money leave a hole	Mar 26 18:40
schestowitz	What to do?	Mar 26 18:40
schestowitz	Loot the public	Mar 26 18:40
schestowitz	Take people’s whole waves through extreme taxation	Mar 26 18:40
schestowitz	extreme taxation=stimilus	Mar 26 18:40
twitter	Get off, while you can! The sooner the better. http://bayimg.com/DADCdAABP and http://bayimg.com/caDcHaABp	Mar 26 18:41
schestowitz	stimulus=euphemism	Mar 26 18:41
schestowitz	stimulus=we take lots of money from a vacuum now, the public will fill it later, over time	Mar 26 18:41
schestowitz	This way the banks can make up for the money that goes offshore	Mar 26 18:41
twitter	The loot! Kipling had a little verse or two about “the loot”	Mar 26 18:41
schestowitz	But the banks are totally AWOL	Mar 26 18:41
schestowitz	They just can’t say it to the public	Mar 26 18:41
wtfyan	what’s awol?	Mar 26 18:41
schestowitz	Panic leads to escape, leading to more panic and so the cycle goes	Mar 26 18:42
twitter	Away WithOut Leave, to be shot on sight.	Mar 26 18:42
twitter	Banks are already bankrupt.	Mar 26 18:42
schestowitz	I couldn’t find that funny cartoon where Obama the milkman comes to the thin cow called US treasury and holds buckets that say “AIG, GM, etc.	Mar 26 18:42
schestowitz	VERY funny	Mar 26 18:42
schestowitz	And Obama is all smiley there	Mar 26 18:42
schestowitz	The cow is scared	Mar 26 18:42
schestowitz	It can’t produce milk, it’s totally boney	Mar 26 18:43
twitter	for ten years, they have been investing in these derivatives and other fraud securities. If there’s a real run, they are sunk.	Mar 26 18:43
schestowitz	Not really	Mar 26 18:43
schestowitz	They have stashs	Mar 26 18:43
twitter	The stashes are worthless.	Mar 26 18:43
schestowitz	So the destruction they caused is hardly paid by them	Mar 26 18:44
schestowitz	That’s the brilliance of it	Mar 26 18:44
schestowitz	Inflate the market	Mar 26 18:44
schestowitz	Milk up this aartificial inflation	Mar 26 18:44
schestowitz	If a bubble bursts , fuel the econmy some more	Mar 26 18:44
schestowitz	Go to war if necessary (or unnecessary rather) for money to flood the system	Mar 26 18:44
twitter	It won’t be artificial if China and Russia decide to dump the dollar.	Mar 26 18:44
schestowitz	At the end, run away quickly	Mar 26 18:44
schestowitz	Let mom and pop think the Dow Jones is just having a bad mood	Mar 26 18:45
schestowitz	It’ll be back above 10,000pts in 2009. Sure, sure..	Mar 26 18:45
schestowitz	Cramer: I believe in Bear Stearns… buy buy…	Mar 26 18:45
twitter	Mom and pop have watched their savings go to 40% their “peak” value.	Mar 26 18:45
schestowitz	twitter: China suffers too	Mar 26 18:45
schestowitz	It made bad loans to Land of the Dreams	Mar 26 18:45
twitter	Yes, they got ripped off.	Mar 26 18:46
twitter	But they have all the factories now.	Mar 26 18:46
schestowitz	Yes,	Mar 26 18:46
schestowitz	Self-sustaining economy	Mar 26 18:46
schestowitz	All they need is oil	Mar 26 18:46
twitter	and they have plenty of power with what they are owed.	Mar 26 18:46
twitter	they are getting oil from Africa.	Mar 26 18:46
twitter	Russia	Mar 26 18:47
schestowitz	That’s why the US needs the strategic zone, the spigots in the mid-east	Mar 26 18:47
schestowitz	Yes, Africa too	Mar 26 18:47
schestowitz	Oppression	Mar 26 18:47
schestowitz	We give you electricity, you give us your minerals	Mar 26 18:47
schestowitz	Like the UK in Burma	Mar 26 18:47
schestowitz	So the US will carry on daemonising CHina	Mar 26 18:48
wtfyan	china itself is a daemon	Mar 26 18:48
twitter	The US will have to use force to keep that oil flowing if the dollar goes to hell. Iran has already moved off the dollar. If others follow, the US will collapse into hyper inflation.	Mar 26 18:48
schestowitz	For doing exactly what the US does (e.g. censorship and brainwash). Hypocrisy again.	Mar 26 18:48
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schestowitz	wtfyan: just China?	Mar 26 18:48
wtfyan	mostly	Mar 26 18:48
twitter	China is evil.	Mar 26 18:48
schestowitz	A world-wide survey of perceptions showed China to be about the same as the USA	Mar 26 18:49
wtfyan	i’m not even talking about judaism-related people	Mar 26 18:49
schestowitz	I watches a video about it… a talk in DC	Mar 26 18:49
schestowitz	Could be biased	Mar 26 18:49
schestowitz	wtfyan: many are “Evil”	Mar 26 18:49
schestowitz	But those with more fortune tend to be less desparate	Mar 26 18:50
wtfyan	this world is evil by itself	Mar 26 18:50
twitter	Dude, I might be blacklisted here for the things I say. In China, I’d be an organ donor in prison.	Mar 26 18:50
schestowitz	That’s why Scandinavia has less crime	Mar 26 18:50
schestowitz	They also keep population size low	Mar 26 18:50
schestowitz	Thus no conflicts over water and such.	Mar 26 18:50
twitter	Bullshit.	Mar 26 18:50
twitter	People stealing the world’s oil and water live here with us.	Mar 26 18:51
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twitter	They abuse their power, regardless of population.	Mar 26 18:51
schestowitz	That too	Mar 26 18:51
schestowitz	wb, Balrog !	Mar 26 18:51
schestowitz	I thought you had ditched us cause of the Apple powwow	Mar 26 18:51
schestowitz	twitter: money education	Mar 26 18:52
zer0c00l	apple marks audacity as “freeware” http://www.apple.com/downloads…	Mar 26 18:52
wtfyan	lol… apple marks smth as freeware…	Mar 26 18:52
schestowitz	When one’s status is judged by numbers (=bank balance), then greed knows no bounds	Mar 26 18:52
schestowitz	“greed knows no bounds” –MS lawyers, 2006	Mar 26 18:52
schestowitz	zer0c00l: Like BSD?	Mar 26 18:53
zer0c00l		Mar 26 18:53
schestowitz	BSD should mark Apple “freetard”	Mar 26 18:53
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twitter	People with power are able to create ignorance and poverty, and their victims are more easily manipulated.	Mar 26 18:53
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schestowitz	Or freee riders	Mar 26 18:53
schestowitz	twitter: like in South and Latin America?	Mar 26 18:54
schestowitz	Colombia for example?	Mar 26 18:54
twitter	Yes, but the same thing can be done in places like the US and UK.	Mar 26 18:55
schestowitz	They pay their liars well	Mar 26 18:55
schestowitz	O’Reilly, Beck, and so on.	Mar 26 18:55
schestowitz	The talking point of the PentaWhitehouse	Mar 26 18:55
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twitter	The UK has privatized some of it’s water supply, from what I read. What could be more owned than that?	Mar 26 19:00
schestowitz	Can’t contain/control oxygen yet…	Mar 26 19:03
schestowitz	It’s global too	Mar 26 19:03
schestowitz	g2g bbl	Mar 26 19:03
balzac	xanax > schestowitz	Mar 26 19:04
balzac	jk	Mar 26 19:04
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balzac	really, just a dumb joke	Mar 26 19:04
twitter	Dumb joke, http://bayimg.com/cAgoAaaBl	Mar 26 19:06
twitter	based on reality, http://yro.slashdot.org/article.p… and http://tech.slashdot.org/articl…	Mar 26 19:06
PeterF	Twitter, the online service, is like a middle-ware for all Web 2.0 things.	Mar 26 19:34
PeterF	Now: Facebook connects to LinkedIn, Slashdot, Myspace, MSN, KDE4, Freenode, etc.	Mar 26 19:35
PeterF	twitter, your nick just made me realize that.	Mar 26 19:35
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twitter	interesting	Mar 26 19:49
twitter	my nick has nothing to do with the micro blog, but online services should connect to other online services through reasonable protocols	Mar 26 19:50
MinceR	facebook connects to KDE4?	Mar 26 19:51
*MinceR connects to twitter through reasonable protocols		Mar 26 19:51
MinceR	IRC!	Mar 26 19:51
MinceR		Mar 26 19:51
twitter	KDE has a quality list and other feedbacks, it should not be hard to make a box on people’s facebook or any other “web 2.0″ blog service	Mar 26 19:53
twitter	I’m still waiting for Web 3.0, the original “world of ends” concept.	Mar 26 19:54
twitter	We should all be able to run these kinds of services on our own and preserve privacy and dignity.	Mar 26 19:54
twitter	The centralized control and fake privacy offered by Facebook, mySpace and other owned by M$ services give me the creeps.	Mar 26 19:55
trmanco	“tha flat troll” is harassing schestowitz around	Mar 26 19:58
trmanco	on COLA, did he write something on BN that could really piss of Microsoft?	Mar 26 19:58
twitter	“flatfish”?	Mar 26 20:00
trmanco	yes	Mar 26 20:01
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trmanco	http://blogs.computerworld.com/do_linu… -> this is non sense	Mar 26 20:10
trmanco	I never paid ANYTHING to Microsoft, at least directly	Mar 26 20:11
trmanco	buy some hardware and build you’re own machine from scratch	Mar 26 20:11
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twitter	I just noticed that people are moderating the “Enter the IRC channel now” entry.	Mar 26 20:29
twitter	Two of them have rating of 3.3, LOL.	Mar 26 20:30
twitter	averaged over 4 votes.	Mar 26 20:31
trmanco	…	Mar 26 20:31
twitter	does anyone really read through a whole day’s worth of IRC logs and take the time to rate it? Nuts.	Mar 26 20:33
Balrog	it’s the detractors giving low ratings	Mar 26 20:35
twitter	well yeah, but how dumb do they think people are?	Mar 26 20:36
twitter	tagging an IRC conversation is rather transparent.	Mar 26 20:36
MinceR	(old) http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/…	Mar 26 20:37
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Balrog	http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/03/26/ridic…	Mar 26 20:40
Balrog	there are problems with those numbers	Mar 26 20:40
Balrog	it’s all with the way ‘market share’ is calculated, and how rescuecom used ‘market share’ for their statistics	Mar 26 20:40
MinceR	yes, the problem is that they don’t show apple in a good light	Mar 26 20:41
MinceR	how dare they	Mar 26 20:41
Balrog	yes, macs do break, but certainly not as much as most other systems …. though there are a few other good manufacturers	Mar 26 20:41
Balrog	MinceR: you complain when MS uses flawed market share numbers (and statistics in general) to support their business model but you like when groups use those same flawed statistics to make apple look bad … see the problem?	Mar 26 20:43
Balrog	it’s still FLAWED STATISTICS	Mar 26 20:43
MinceR	i don’t know how market share numbers affect apple, after all they do manage to sell their hw with their stuff preinstalled	Mar 26 20:43
MinceR	it’s an entirely different case from m$ keeping PC OEMs in their grip	Mar 26 20:44
Balrog	market share numbers were used to calculate the statistics that rescuecom put out … that’s how it ‘affects’ apple here	Mar 26 20:44
MinceR	that explains nothing	Mar 26 20:44
MinceR	hm, i think i know how	Mar 26 20:45
MinceR	by reporting lower numbers for apple market share, the number of complaints seems greater	Mar 26 20:45
Balrog	not only … release schedules are a big part	Mar 26 20:46
Balrog	apple released new hardware right at the beginning of Q1 09	Mar 26 20:46
Balrog	read the roughlydrafted article, it’s not really biased …	Mar 26 20:47
Balrog	also those statistics include calls for help transferring data	Mar 26 20:47
Balrog	Milman also stated that “quite a few of the calls we get are for data recovery or to transfer data from an older computer to a newer one,”	Mar 26 20:47
MinceR	i definitely am not going to read the paragraph where the words run together because of crappy formatting	Mar 26 20:47
Balrog	<< quote	Mar 26 20:47
Balrog	words run together? which one?	Mar 26 20:47
MinceR	the one in bold	Mar 26 20:48
MinceR	i’m sure they don’t in your browser	Mar 26 20:48
Balrog	what browser?	Mar 26 20:48
MinceR	well, roughlydrafted should learn how web standards work	Mar 26 20:48
Balrog	this is wordpress, btw	Mar 26 20:48
MinceR	opera	Mar 26 20:48
Balrog	what version? it renders properly in opera here…	Mar 26 20:49
Balrog	??	Mar 26 20:49
Balrog	here it’s 9.6.2	Mar 26 20:50
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NeonF\|oss	we all know MS is horrible	Mar 26 21:02
NeonF\|oss	what about apple?	Mar 26 21:02
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MinceR	apple is little microsoft	Mar 26 21:07
NeonF\|oss	I know, but anything specific?	Mar 26 21:08
MinceR	Balrog: 9.27	Mar 26 21:08
MinceR	NeonF\|oss: they push sw patents and DRM, rip off FLOSS and profit from it while trying to kill FLOSS (with sw patents, for example), use unethical business tactics (including patent FUD) and harm the freedom of their users	Mar 26 21:10
MinceR	they also never miss a chance to show their contempt for their users, but that might not necessarily bother you :>	Mar 26 21:11
MinceR	and that’s only how apple is evil; their products also suck	Mar 26 21:11
NeonF\|oss	thanks	Mar 26 21:13
MinceR	np	Mar 26 21:16
MinceR	see also http://boycottnovell.com/category/apple/	Mar 26 21:17
MinceR	(offtopic) http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/2…	Mar 26 21:18
twitter	LOL, that’s easy security.	Mar 26 21:27
twitter	Looks like Windoze, so it’s all for show anyway.	Mar 26 21:27
twitter	Might as well have said, “There are two users of this computer. The other user, your wife, chose the same password. Would you like to see her chat history?”	Mar 26 21:28
twitter	“We sure enjoyed it.”	Mar 26 21:29
twitter	Non free software – what you can’t verify should never be trusted.	Mar 26 21:29
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twitter	http://bayimg.com/EAjCLAaBH	Mar 26 21:38
twitter	artwork created by M$ tool, modified and used without permission.	Mar 26 21:39
trmanco	nice image	Mar 26 21:39
_Hicham_	nice	Mar 26 21:39
_Hicham_	I really liked it	Mar 26 21:39
_Hicham_	thank u twitter	Mar 26 21:40
twitter	thanks. I thought the “license to run nothing” was way over the top.	Mar 26 21:40
schestowitz	trmanco: you link to the Gralla shill	Mar 26 21:41
schestowitz	He’s an anti-Linux guy. Ignore him.	Mar 26 21:41
trmanco	…	Mar 26 21:41
trmanco	didn’t know	Mar 26 21:42
schestowitz	trmanco: abuse from the trolls means they’re nervous	Mar 26 21:43
schestowitz	Otherwise they sit back and ignore the opposition	Mar 26 21:43
trmanco	yeah I get that	Mar 26 21:44
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*schestowitz looks at Gary’s attack in G2		Mar 26 21:47
_Hicham_	wb oiaohm	Mar 26 21:47
schestowitz	He’s a total fool. He’s only promoting the site. Is the guy out of his mind? Oh wait, it’s a rhetorical question.	Mar 26 21:47
_Hicham_	what is the website Roy?	Mar 26 21:48
balzac	Roy, did I raise ante on them or what?	Mar 26 21:48
_Hicham_	hi balzac	Mar 26 21:49
schestowitz	I found three news thread that attack me. Started by the same Munchkin this afternoon.	Mar 26 21:49
schestowitz	brb	Mar 26 21:49
balzac	hello _Hicham_	Mar 26 21:49
twitter	They think they have defeated Slashdot.	Mar 26 21:51
twitter	As more readers come to BN, they will target you more.	Mar 26 21:51
oiaohm	I have found a way to set off a exposion of MS people trying to change topic. Point out NTFS Write Behind error.	Mar 26 21:54
_Hicham_	oiaohm : can u explain more this error?	Mar 26 21:54
oiaohm	NTFS writing to disk with update location for a directory struct is point on disk before writing the directory struct.	Mar 26 21:55
oiaohm	Reason why removing a non synced NTFS USB key something ends up playing blank.	Mar 26 21:55
oiaohm	Agree that makes the recent EXT4 opps look minor.	Mar 26 21:56
twitter	NTFS is the FS equivalent of M$ Word.doc, complicated, anti-competitive and insane	Mar 26 21:56
oiaohm	EXT4 was only nuking files that you renamed.	Mar 26 21:57
twitter	NTFS has a reputation for breaking completely.	Mar 26 21:57
twitter	Why do you want to use or talk about it?	Mar 26 21:58
oiaohm	Its the reponse I have seen so far when I point out on a blog.	Mar 26 21:58
oiaohm	Very quicky you get over 200 resoponses trying to change the topic.	Mar 26 21:58
oiaohm	Transaction mode in Vista NTFS is ment to prevent that problem.(Note ment) They fixed one problem and added another.	Mar 26 22:00
twitter	I’m glad someone out there knows about that kind of thing.	Mar 26 22:01
oiaohm	I do data recovery so I have to twitter	Mar 26 22:02
schestowitz	The symbolic prince: http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn… ( Obama answers handful of 104,000 Web questions) Just PR routines	Mar 26 22:02
twitter	cool, but it is depressing to see so many failures isn’t it?	Mar 26 22:02
oiaohm	I really hate doing large business data recovery because of NTFS.	Mar 26 22:03
twitter	then, when you try to point out the causes, the answer is not, “thanks” but “STFU”	Mar 26 22:03
oiaohm	Normally its either make the data recovery or over 30 000 people lose there jobs.	Mar 26 22:03
schestowitz	Got this by E-mail from someone who lurks in OOLA: “stalking trolls… I just saw the following message in COLA: bcj9r5bvbxy$.1636tvqn40fc5.dlg@40tude.net It’s by “Doctor Smith” [flatfish] and quotes “Dan O’Brian”. It kind of makes me wonder if “Dan O’Brian” is the same person as “Doctor Smith”. Another coincidence is that they both seem to come from Massachusetts.”	Mar 26 22:03
oiaohm	I don’t do it because I like MS twitter. Someone has to do it.	Mar 26 22:04
Balrog	just got a Realtek 8187 wireless device	Mar 26 22:04
schestowitz	“Re the “boycott boycott novell” thread, I like the posts from Ian and JohnD except that they should also criticise posters like “Dan O’Brian”. After all, he pretty much admitted, when he mentioned that he is not interested in “boycottnovell” except to post claims that it is inaccurate, that he does not post for any constructive purpose.”	Mar 26 22:04
schestowitz	“Sometimes he is right, but then again, a stopped clock is also sometimes right. With his negative tone, he discredits himself better than anyone else could. Largely ignoring him is probably the best way to go. Just my speculations or 2 pence worth …”	Mar 26 22:04
Balrog	full FOSS drivers available	Mar 26 22:04
twitter	I understand, oiaohm. The world will be a better place, however, when 30,000 jobs don’t hang on NTFS.	Mar 26 22:04
trmanco	http://toastytech.com/evil…	Mar 26 22:05
schestowitz	Balrog: good that you chose a driver/device from a company that respects you.	Mar 26 22:05
twitter	The world needs plumbers but no one needs Windows.	Mar 26 22:05
schestowitz	Some people switch over from Windows and blame Linux for bad manufacturers	Mar 26 22:05
schestowitz	All my h/w has always worked with Linux	Mar 26 22:05
schestowitz	I’m not familiar with problems, except my current Web cam needs the next kernel or else I need to put the driver in it (recompoling). It does capture, not streams.	Mar 26 22:06
oiaohm	Some of the big companies I deal with stayed with WIndows but moved all filestorage to a Linux file server.	Mar 26 22:06
twitter	I’ve got a nasty little wireless device on my desktop that I’ve never made work.	Mar 26 22:06
_Hicham_	oiaohm : so ext3 is more reliable than NTFS?	Mar 26 22:06
oiaohm	Ext3 is way more reliable than NTFS	Mar 26 22:06
oiaohm	Ext4 when it gets production ready will also be better than NTFS.	Mar 26 22:07
twitter	Ext2 and maybe FAT are more reliable than NTFS.	Mar 26 22:07
trmanco	Active Update complete	Mar 26 22:07
trmanco	While you were reading this page IE automatically updated your computer	Mar 26 22:07
trmanco	KBytes added: 45,134,313	Mar 26 22:07
trmanco	Bugs removed: 1954	Mar 26 22:07
trmanco	Bugs added: 9172	Mar 26 22:07
twitter	Is there anything worse than NTFS?	Mar 26 22:07
oiaohm	Ext2 not that reliable	Mar 26 22:07
trmanco	twitter, FAT	Mar 26 22:07
oiaohm	Ext2 and Fat are equal in data reliablity	Mar 26 22:07
oiaohm	Both sux compared to NTFS or EXT3	Mar 26 22:08
trmanco	FAT16	Mar 26 22:08
twitter	No way? I thought EXT2 had more redundancy.	Mar 26 22:08
twitter	like lots of extra nodes	Mar 26 22:08
oiaohm	EXT2 Has no journal and the oldest of drivers does not have write order.	Mar 26 22:08
oiaohm	So it could snap badly.	Mar 26 22:08
twitter	Yeah, no journal but there was lots of redundant information anyway.	Mar 26 22:09
twitter	That’s got to be better than FAT.	Mar 26 22:09
oiaohm	FAT has a correct write order option.	Mar 26 22:09
oiaohm	And if drivers work to spec FAT has equal ammount of redundant information as EXT2	Mar 26 22:09
oiaohm	PS MS Windows Fat driver don’t work to spec.	Mar 26 22:10
twitter	I’ve got EXT2 drives that are seven years old. They never needed defrag and never failed.	Mar 26 22:10
oiaohm	EXT2 has fragmentation resistance.	Mar 26 22:10
oiaohm	That is not data loss protection.	Mar 26 22:10
trmanco	FAt sucks	Mar 26 22:11
trmanco	see the limitations and compare them with ext2	Mar 26 22:11
oiaohm	FAT never nuked its base directory off face of earth.	Mar 26 22:11
oiaohm	Like NTFS can.	Mar 26 22:11
twitter	yeah, but if M$ never wrote the redundant info and FAT had to be defragged all the time, FAT was going to blow out way faster than ext2 – a prediction that matches most people’s experience.	Mar 26 22:12
trmanco	FAT is not posix complaint, no filesystem modes…	Mar 26 22:12
oiaohm	For the disadvantages of FAT and Ext2. NTFS has more protection features. Yet NTFS kicks it self in nuts.	Mar 26 22:12
twitter	M$ stuff typically does that	Mar 26 22:13
twitter	users feel it.	Mar 26 22:13
oiaohm	Fat kicks it self in fragmentation and lack of permissions.	Mar 26 22:13
schestowitz	It starts. “A specific attack on the LSE has been organised on activist site Indymedia UK. “Disrupt the traders whose financial egomania perpetuates global injustice: let’s shutdown trading for the day. Meet outside the London Stock Exchange,” the call to action says.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0…	Mar 26 22:13
oiaohm	NTFS kicks user where it hurns in the data.	Mar 26 22:14
schestowitz	Gavin Clarke promotes Linux patent infection and Silver Lie. Surprise surprise. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/26…	Mar 26 22:14
oiaohm	Nvidia is threating to under mine the Silver Lie.	Mar 26 22:14
oiaohm	Ie video card does the video decoding.	Mar 26 22:15
schestowitz	Balrog: Asus pulps Apple in hardware reliability survey < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009… >. Maybe picking on Apple gives this more publicity? Like Greenpeace attacking Apple products for PR?	Mar 26 22:15
oiaohm	By by Closed source MS codecs.	Mar 26 22:15
oiaohm	Either MS wants there codecs video card accelerated or they don’t.	Mar 26 22:15
oiaohm	exfat ie the MS upgrade to fat is way more data stable than NTFS as well.	Mar 26 22:16
schestowitz	The INQUIRER has slown down. I think it’s dying as a publication	Mar 26 22:16
trmanco	this is our future -> http://en.wikipedia.org/w…	Mar 26 22:16
schestowitz	They lost many writers too	Mar 26 22:16
oiaohm	NTFS needs to be retired or fixed or replaced.	Mar 26 22:16
schestowitz	The good ones…	Mar 26 22:16
schestowitz	A shame… they have many pro-FOSS articles	Mar 26 22:17
schestowitz	Or had…	Mar 26 22:17
schestowitz	trmanco: not just for servers?	Mar 26 22:17
oiaohm	Please MS pick on of my 3 options for you so I can have more peace and do more less presure jobs.	Mar 26 22:17
schestowitz	Like oracle DBs?	Mar 26 22:17
schestowitz	tessier is excited by btrfs	Mar 26 22:17
oiaohm	btrfs has everything a filesystem should from a data protection point of view.	Mar 26 22:18
trmanco	schestowitz, evertbody can have a home server with Linux	Mar 26 22:18
trmanco	everybody*	Mar 26 22:18
trmanco		Mar 26 22:18
oiaohm	Its going to make MS restore points look like the hack they are.	Mar 26 22:18
trmanco	it’s still in heavy dev though	Mar 26 22:18
oiaohm	Oracle designers are behind btrfs	Mar 26 22:18
schestowitz	trmanco: aye	Mar 26 22:18
oiaohm	If anyone can pull of a data protecting filesystem its them.	Mar 26 22:19
trmanco	don’t forget ZFS… it aim to beat it’s ass	Mar 26 22:19
schestowitz	oiaohm: one from Novell too	Mar 26 22:19
schestowitz	On btrfs	Mar 26 22:19
schestowitz	Chris Mason is the main one, IIRC	Mar 26 22:19
trmanco	butler filesystem	Mar 26 22:19
schestowitz	Maybe I remembered his name wrong	Mar 26 22:19
schestowitz	butter -> betterFS	Mar 26 22:20
oiaohm	Sun ZFS is good but license suxs.	Mar 26 22:20
trmanco	yeah, I was just joking	Mar 26 22:20
schestowitz	Holds your bread and btr	Mar 26 22:20
trmanco	ZFS is good foi super computers	Mar 26 22:20
trmanco	for*	Mar 26 22:20
oiaohm	Would be if there were any suppers running solarais.	Mar 26 22:21
oiaohm	Solarias has a cpu scaling problem compared to Linux these days.	Mar 26 22:21
trmanco	wtf -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki… \|\| Greedy G	Mar 26 22:21
oiaohm	Yes google has one too.	Mar 26 22:21
schestowitz	Dentist Can Proceed With Lawsuit Against Yelp Reviewers < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161997/… >	Mar 26 22:22
oiaohm	No off the self filesystem was good enough to run the google network trmanco	Mar 26 22:22
schestowitz	So putting a name online and allowing people to rank it can get you sued	Mar 26 22:22
schestowitz	oiaohm: your typing habits have you type Solarias many times	Mar 26 22:23
trmanco	oiaohm, I guess not, but still, a lot of people would love to have a peak	Mar 26 22:23
schestowitz	peek	Mar 26 22:23
trmanco		Mar 26 22:23
trmanco	oops	Mar 26 22:23
trmanco	ah, we already have an alternative -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadoop	Mar 26 22:24
oiaohm	I have got it down to a extra a. Problem is it passes spell checker.	Mar 26 22:24
schestowitz	oiaohm: did you see the company from Sleepycat founder?	Mar 26 22:25
schestowitz	They make Free software clouds	Mar 26 22:25
schestowitz	Maybe they use Hadoop. I can’t recall	Mar 26 22:25
schestowitz	They made their OWN Linux distro	Mar 26 22:25
schestowitz	Cloudera	Mar 26 22:25
oiaohm	Have not see that one.	Mar 26 22:25
schestowitz	oiaohm: Solarias sounds good	Mar 26 22:25
schestowitz	Good name for a girl.	Mar 26 22:25
schestowitz	There seems to be a lot of botspam in twitter.. https://twitter.com/search?q=boycot…	Mar 26 22:29
oiaohm	Solaria is a name of a solar panel provider I need to type right for remote sites.	Mar 26 22:30
oiaohm	Ie two names too close to each other for my own good.	Mar 26 22:31
schestowitz	http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog… <— it’s funny that IBM and Microsoft are listed /first/ by OSCBC’s press release. Neither company is open source !!	Mar 26 22:31
schestowitz	oiaohm: typing patterns then.	Mar 26 22:32
schestowitz	I find it hard to type ‘linus’	Mar 26 22:32
oiaohm	Dyslexia creates some of my typing patterns.	Mar 26 22:32
oiaohm	Once I have a word right for something important it pays to leave errors in other places alone.	Mar 26 22:33
oiaohm	If I correct suns os name all the time I end up stuffing up typing else where.	Mar 26 22:33
oiaohm	Yes it suxs to have a missed wired language processing center.	Mar 26 22:34
schestowitz	Some dude from Mixx links to http://www.whale.to/vaccine…	Mar 26 22:34
schestowitz	The title was interesting, but then I saw “alex jones” and looked way	Mar 26 22:35
schestowitz	oiaohm: language doesn’t matter much at the grammatical level	Mar 26 22:35
schestowitz	Ideas matter	Mar 26 22:36
oiaohm	My grammar is also evil.	Mar 26 22:36
schestowitz	Antoher thing is structuring of arguments	Mar 26 22:36
schestowitz	Not sentences	Mar 26 22:36
oiaohm	I use rare language patterns of english from time to time.	Mar 26 22:36
schestowitz	So one person can get across the idea clearly.	Mar 26 22:36
schestowitz	Nothing to do with grammar	Mar 26 22:36
oiaohm	Stuff you present to PHD students to see them nuts.	Mar 26 22:36
schestowitz	Organisation of points rather	Mar 26 22:36
oiaohm	Like implied nowns in a sentence.	Mar 26 22:37
oiaohm	Yes I made the stupid mistake of thinking learn more about english would improve my english problems.	Mar 26 22:37
schestowitz	Languages are a human skill, innate..	Mar 26 22:38
schestowitz	Strctures are almost the same	Mar 26 22:39
schestowitz	.. the way the human mind works… and gravitates towards.	Mar 26 22:39
oiaohm	schestowitz dyslexia. I had none of the innate skills.	Mar 26 22:39
schestowitz	Or so goes the most accepted theory.. if you compare languages.	Mar 26 22:39
oiaohm	I have built what skill I have.	Mar 26 22:39
schestowitz	The guy I did the phd with has minor dyslexia and he got an OBE	Mar 26 22:40
schestowitz	So it’s probably exaggerated	Mar 26 22:40
oiaohm	I started with out the means to speek in normal form for many years. I had phonic scrambling.	Mar 26 22:40
schestowitz	Speech is a very complex processs	Mar 26 22:40
schestowitz	If humans didn’t have it, that would change a lot in studying and passing education	Mar 26 22:41
oiaohm	Ie you would understand me but the sounds would be all in the wrong orders.	Mar 26 22:41
oiaohm	So it would confuse the hell out of anyone I was talking to until they got use it it.	Mar 26 22:41
schestowitz	People can talk sensible and make a complex task without even thinking about what they say (maybe doing motoric functions)	Mar 26 22:41
oiaohm	Really one of the guys I know is studing some of my old speech patterns trying to work out how human brain process brain.	Mar 26 22:42
schestowitz	You can deconstruct sentences like PLs in cpmputing	Mar 26 22:42
oiaohm	Opps last brain/sound.	Mar 26 22:42
schestowitz	It’s intresting to see how the mind processes it	Mar 26 22:42
schestowitz	Compared to a CPU	Mar 26 22:42
schestowitz	Computer languages are the same	Mar 26 22:42
schestowitz	Esp. declarative ones	Mar 26 22:43
oiaohm	That a person can say every phonnic sound in every word in the wrong order and still the person on the other end can understand it perfectly as long as its in a sentence is interesting.	Mar 26 22:43
_Hicham_	we have a linguistic professor inside our brain	Mar 26 22:43
_Hicham_	precessor	Mar 26 22:43
schestowitz	Yes	Mar 26 22:43
oiaohm	It 100 percent for sure is not 1 core.	Mar 26 22:44
schestowitz	Women’s vocabulary is said to be better	Mar 26 22:44
_Hicham_	that is the term used by linguists	Mar 26 22:44
schestowitz	Don’t know what studies were done.	Mar 26 22:44
oiaohm	Its like as if we look up word by there sound fragments.	Mar 26 22:44
oiaohm	Then context can correct errors.	Mar 26 22:44
schestowitz	Sound->picture	Mar 26 22:45
schestowitz	Associations	Mar 26 22:45
schestowitz	That’s how you can also control people’s thought by changing language	Mar 26 22:45
oiaohm	Basically brain had build in sound decryption.	Mar 26 22:45
schestowitz	To a lot of people, when you say “terrorist” the mental image is a Muslim person. Strange, but true…	Mar 26 22:45
schestowitz	In the past it translated to something else	Mar 26 22:46
schestowitz	Like some bandit with a bomb or something	Mar 26 22:46
oiaohm	That terrorist image cause police a lot of problems.	Mar 26 22:46
schestowitz	SCO->lawsuit	Mar 26 22:46
schestowitz	Linux->cheapT	Mar 26 22:46
schestowitz	To most people	Mar 26 22:47
schestowitz	Miicrosoft is practicing with people to make it so	Mar 26 22:47
oiaohm	Because a true terrorist normally avoids looking like a Muslim.	Mar 26 22:47
schestowitz	Apple has a strong brand	Mar 26 22:47
schestowitz	People think of good hrdware and rich hip boy”	Mar 26 22:47
schestowitz	“Hello, I’m a Mac”	Mar 26 22:47
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schestowitz	oiaohm: let me find a link from Schneier	Mar 26 22:48
schestowitz	http://www.schneier.com/blog/arch…	Mar 26 22:48
oiaohm	Wounder how many people are going to turn up a Linux conforence to pound the MS guy. IBM does produce a lot of good documentation about the internels of the Linux kernel.	Mar 26 22:48
schestowitz	“Maine Man Tries to Build a Dirty Bomb : No one cares, probably because he isn’t Muslim. White supremacist terrorism just isn’t sexy these days.”	Mar 26 22:48
schestowitz	Which conference, oiaohm	Mar 26 22:49
schestowitz	Microsoft knows just the meaning of document (Office), not documentation	Mar 26 22:49
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schestowitz	That’s a secret sauce	Mar 26 22:49
oiaohm	http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s… Opps OSBC	Mar 26 22:50
oiaohm	IBM is a reason why I have turned up a Linux confs in the pasted. There doc writers are brillant.	Mar 26 22:50
oiaohm	One thing rarer than programmers in the Open Source world. Good doc writters.	Mar 26 22:51
schestowitz	Ah, OSBC	Mar 26 22:52
schestowitz	Did you see BN post?	Mar 26 22:52
schestowitz	Another one coming soon.	Mar 26 22:52
oiaohm	Yep	Mar 26 22:52
schestowitz	I just accumulate the story	Mar 26 22:52
schestowitz	Then sort the arguments worth making	Mar 26 22:52
schestowitz	Rather than write and then find refs that are supportive I always do it in reverse	Mar 26 22:52
oiaohm	When MS is at a Opensource conference there are bets if they will walk out before the end of conference or not.	Mar 26 22:52
schestowitz	Collect evidence, then seam it together and explain.	Mar 26 22:53
schestowitz	oiaohm: each year they drive away the resistance	Mar 26 22:53
schestowitz	See the “66 page of evilness” doc	Mar 26 22:53
schestowitz	They drive away the Microsoft antagonist… each year	Mar 26 22:53
oiaohm	Basically IBM and MS were first on list because they would attract the most attentants.	Mar 26 22:53
schestowitz	Until they ‘own’ OSBC	Mar 26 22:53
schestowitz	oiaohm: doesn’t matter	Mar 26 22:54
schestowitz	One of the trolls has just coined a word: “BNers”	Mar 26 22:54
oiaohm	It gets more fun IBM and SUN people go out of there way to attend the MS one to pull MS to bits.	Mar 26 22:54
schestowitz	Meaning people who support BN, I guess.	Mar 26 22:54
schestowitz	“The problem is that Roy and the other BNers…”	Mar 26 22:55
oiaohm	Most of the time MS ends up giving up because they end up looking worse.	Mar 26 22:55
schestowitz	Like OSBC 2008	Mar 26 22:55
oiaohm	Its funny watching a MS personal trying to distance him self from the very company he is employed by.	Mar 26 22:55
schestowitz	People resent them	Mar 26 22:55
schestowitz	Even those who pretend to be tolerant	Mar 26 22:55
schestowitz	Inside themselves they want to burst	Mar 26 22:55
schestowitz	But Microsot puts ‘fronts’	Mar 26 22:55
schestowitz	It uses straw people.	Mar 26 22:56
schestowitz	So that you can’t punch — metaphorically speaking– the real anti-Linux bullies.	Mar 26 22:56
schestowitz	Microsoft sends its women to war	Mar 26 22:56
schestowitz	While the man stay at home	Mar 26 22:56
schestowitz	*men	Mar 26 22:56
schestowitz	Who would shoot a woman?	Mar 26 22:56
oiaohm	Yep same thing is pointed out every time.	Mar 26 22:56
oiaohm	Otehr woman.	Mar 26 22:57
oiaohm	Because both teams men stayed home.	Mar 26 22:57
schestowitz	The men stay at home to take care of the… patents	Mar 26 22:57
oiaohm	IBM don’t send there top guys.	Mar 26 22:57
oiaohm	It is there low ones they send in to beat up the MS guys.	Mar 26 22:58
oiaohm	Not like any more is needed.	Mar 26 22:58
schestowitz	You know what I realised when I was away? I think Microsoft Jack or out or something	Mar 26 22:58
MinceR	gn	Mar 26 22:58
schestowitz	maybe retired now	Mar 26 22:58
schestowitz	I used to see his ‘articles’ showing up every week or so… nothing for months now	Mar 26 22:58
oiaohm	Same time MS stoped paying as much.	Mar 26 22:59
oiaohm	Maybe he is unemployeed	Mar 26 22:59
schestowitz	The small, compact, energy-efficient chips give Linux a real lift: http://www.linuxjournal.com/co…	Mar 26 23:00
schestowitz	oiaohm: could be	Mar 26 23:00
schestowitz	He moved to blogging	Mar 26 23:00
schestowitz	But it can be too handy for them	Mar 26 23:00
schestowitz	let me check	Mar 26 23:00
schestowitz	http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/j…	Mar 26 23:01
schestowitz	Still active	Mar 26 23:01
schestowitz	http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=…	Mar 26 23:01
oiaohm	Notice his topics schestowitz since then.	Mar 26 23:02
oiaohm	I supect jack is not getting any MS money to write MS bits.	Mar 26 23:02
oiaohm	So he is writing other stuff.	Mar 26 23:02
oiaohm	Ie returned to a general new footing.	Mar 26 23:03
oiaohm	I am seeing this quite a bit. Bias’s are disappearing from a lot of reportters as MS money drys up.	Mar 26 23:04
schestowitz	Seems like all my COLA posts end up here: http://www.s5h.net/2008/02/	Mar 26 23:04
schestowitz	oiaohm: yes, agreed	Mar 26 23:04
schestowitz	But he also bashed Google, Apple, and Linux	Mar 26 23:04
schestowitz	Geerally, the MS party line	Mar 26 23:04
schestowitz	Like Rob Enderle and Preston Gralla	Mar 26 23:05
schestowitz	MS puppets in ‘journo’ hat	Mar 26 23:05
oiaohm	MS need money to run its PR machine.	Mar 26 23:05
oiaohm	No money PR drops.	Mar 26 23:06
schestowitz	4bn/year	Mar 26 23:07
schestowitz	Marketing at MSFT, last time I heard anyway…..	Mar 26 23:07
schestowitz	Margins get smaller, profits too. PR is needed in more areas due to diversity…	Mar 26 23:08
schestowitz	That domain < http://www.s5h.net/ > seems to contain my 30k posts or so that are tagged [news]	Mar 26 23:08
schestowitz	No attribution, but it’s not important. The Linux advocacy gets spread	Mar 26 23:09
schestowitz	“Since the financial crisis began, the corporate and philanthropic foundations and donors who gird most think tanks have become stingier about their grants,” reports David Weigel. http://www.prwatch.org/node/8294	Mar 26 23:10
trmanco	it looks like a spam blog for me	Mar 26 23:10
schestowitz	Think tanks are often corruption; likewise for many charities of wealthy man.	Mar 26 23:10
schestowitz	trmanco: it does look like it	Mar 26 23:10
schestowitz	He aggregates COLA [news]	Mar 26 23:10
schestowitz	it’s Ed	Mar 26 23:10
trmanco	Ed?	Mar 26 23:11
schestowitz	Since I’ve been happy about this since he began around 2006 or 2007, that’s cool.	Mar 26 23:11
schestowitz	Neville. He used to post in COLA… a lot less now.	Mar 26 23:11
schestowitz	Sometimes he comments in BN which he reads also	Mar 26 23:11
schestowitz	http://www.prwatch.org/node/8293 (Australian Police Unspun)	Mar 26 23:12
oiaohm	Happens.	Mar 26 23:14
oiaohm	Its not the worse found here.	Mar 26 23:14
oiaohm	One stage one of the biggest drug providers in 1 city was the drug enforcement arm for that city.	Mar 26 23:14
oiaohm	Ads new meaning to police protection.	Mar 26 23:15
schestowitz	Not only does IBM cut jobs today: Google To Cut 200 Jobs In Sales And Marketing < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-g… >	Mar 26 23:17
oiaohm	Not really that product of a arm of google. Most marketing work is already done for them.	Mar 26 23:17
_Hicham_	google doesn’t need marketing at all now	Mar 26 23:19
_Hicham_	the word google is the most famous word in the industry	Mar 26 23:19
schestowitz	We’ve just made front pages of LinuxToday	Mar 26 23:20
_Hicham_	and google.com is the most visited website	Mar 26 23:20
schestowitz	_Hicham_: fair poiint, BUT	Mar 26 23:20
schestowitz	Microsoft is tarnishing their brand	Mar 26 23:20
schestowitz	They have lobbies not only in DC	Mar 26 23:20
schestowitz	To smear Google	Mar 26 23:20
schestowitz	And to force Google to drop the algo	Mar 26 23:20
schestowitz	Like reduce retention time	Mar 26 23:20
schestowitz	If they can outdo Google, then they try to use the law to sabotage their performance	Mar 26 23:21
schestowitz	Portray Google as evil…	Mar 26 23:21
oiaohm	Ie Google does not need marketing.	Mar 26 23:24
oiaohm	It needs it legal department	Mar 26 23:24
schestowitz	zoobab01: http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/20…	Mar 26 23:28
schestowitz	oiaohm: yes, they tried lobbyists too. Yuck.	Mar 26 23:28
schestowitz	In Europe also	Mar 26 23:28
schestowitz	The systems are too polluted and clogged up for shills/spiners	Mar 26 23:29
balzac	Why does Redhat’s CEO keep talking-down GNU/Linux on the desktop?	Mar 26 23:29
schestowitz	*spinners	Mar 26 23:29
schestowitz	balzac: he uses Fedora	Mar 26 23:29
balzac	I like Michael Tienman, but I’m annoyed by the CEO of Redhat	Mar 26 23:29
schestowitz	But he’s not a Linux guy per se	Mar 26 23:29
schestowitz	And Red hat wants to make money	Mar 26 23:29
schestowitz	Not to spread Free sofwtare on the desktopo	Mar 26 23:29
schestowitz	balzac: yes, I’m in good relationship with Michael	Mar 26 23:29
balzac	He ought to tell him to SYFPH	Mar 26 23:30
schestowitz	Shuttleworth says many bad things too	Mar 26 23:30
schestowitz	About Linux	Mar 26 23:30
schestowitz	And then they use him against Linux	Mar 26 23:30
schestowitz	Shuttleworth is befuddled by Apple marketing	Mar 26 23:30
schestowitz	I wonder if he even use one at all.	Mar 26 23:31
balzac	I read Tienman’s profile page and he’s got great free-software credibility and history. Plus he wasn’t mincing words last time he spoke about Microsoft. He gives me some confidence in the Open Source Initiative.	Mar 26 23:31
schestowitz	Yes, he is	Mar 26 23:31
schestowitz	GNU person	Mar 26 23:31
schestowitz	GCC	Mar 26 23:31
schestowitz	C++	Mar 26 23:31
schestowitz	ESR is trouble	Mar 26 23:32
balzac	But the CEO is a bit of an empty-suit, it seems.	Mar 26 23:32
schestowitz	Just uttered bad things	Mar 26 23:32
oiaohm	Redhat has reasons for talking down the desktop.	Mar 26 23:32
schestowitz	In some conference	Mar 26 23:32
schestowitz	Defending BSD	Mar 26 23:32
schestowitz	Pooo-pooed the GPL	Mar 26 23:32
oiaohm	It keeps MS eyes of what Redhat is really upto.	Mar 26 23:32
schestowitz	/s/conference/LUS/	Mar 26 23:32
schestowitz	*LUG	Mar 26 23:32
schestowitz	oiaohm: +1	Mar 26 23:32
balzac	I don’t have a problem with ESR defending the “masturbating monkeys” of BSD, but rather with his misrepresentation of the history of the Free Software Movement with CATB.	Mar 26 23:33
oiaohm	Redhat core project is ovirt.org	Mar 26 23:33
oiaohm	part of that does include control of desktops.	Mar 26 23:34
oiaohm	Yet in a completely new way.	Mar 26 23:34
oiaohm	Means to suspend you programs on one machine and restart on another like nothing has happened.	Mar 26 23:34
oiaohm	Compared to what Redhat is developing the current desktop model is old hat.	Mar 26 23:35
oiaohm	Nothing is fast.	Mar 26 23:35
schestowitz	[hat tip	Mar 26 23:36
schestowitz	The Oreilly Radar Web site has been utter cr*p for a few months now	Mar 26 23:37
schestowitz	Useless links and a potpourri of different topics from arbitrary people	Mar 26 23:37
schestowitz	Next week it’ll go to the trash unless it makes something useful. I think Tim Oreilly hardly posts there anymore, so it’s just a garbage dump for unpublished\|able stuff	Mar 26 23:37
trmanco	http://philosecurity.org/2009/03/23…	Mar 26 23:39
schestowitz	Those who thought that Linux-powered OLPCs are over should think again: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news…	Mar 26 23:41
oiaohm	Next generation OLPC most likely will have to be Linux no x86 processor.	Mar 26 23:43
schestowitz	trmanco: pirates use guns	Mar 26 23:44
schestowitz	oiaohm: ARM	Mar 26 23:44
schestowitz	Nick has said it’s likely inevitable	Mar 26 23:44
trmanco	I like the joke	Mar 26 23:44
schestowitz	He said yesterday that costs would come down	Mar 26 23:44
schestowitz	Some ARM netbooks are around $150	Mar 26 23:44
schestowitz	Nick urged Microsoft to port XP to ARM, but that might not happen	Mar 26 23:45
schestowitz	Microsoft will just hope that OLPC dies	Mar 26 23:45
schestowitz	Euthanasia	Mar 26 23:45
schestowitz	The ‘new’ Microsoft…	Mar 26 23:45
*Balrog_ (n=Balrog@pool-68-238-235-164.phil.east.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell		Mar 26 23:47
oiaohm	Reactos has a port to Arm.	Mar 26 23:49
schestowitz	Could run Sugar, I suppose	Mar 26 23:50
schestowitz	Depending on whether Fedora has many hacks	Mar 26 23:50
schestowitz	Is reactos ‘heavy’? I didn’t try it	Mar 26 23:50
schestowitz	I remember it being light and simple	Mar 26 23:50
oiaohm	Reactos is extreamly light.	Mar 26 23:51
schestowitz	OLPC enables Fedora to fast-boot. ReactOS just doesn’t have Linux features…..	Mar 26 23:51
oiaohm	Mostly because its missing the crap MS has added over the years.	Mar 26 23:51
schestowitz	Wifi drivers…. and Marvell..	Mar 26 23:51
schestowitz	oiaohm: you call DRM ‘crap’?? gasp	Mar 26 23:51
oiaohm	Worse	Mar 26 23:51
schestowitz	It’s for security…	Mar 26 23:52
schestowitz	Of Hollywood’s piggybank	Mar 26 23:52
oiaohm	Reactos what secuirty at moment.	Mar 26 23:52
oiaohm	Everything currently runs at equal to system.	Mar 26 23:52
Balrog_	I tried it … it’s worse-than alpha quality code, IMO	Mar 26 23:53
Balrog_	(even nouveau is many times better)	Mar 26 23:53
oiaohm	Nothing is worse than alpha code Balrog_	Mar 26 23:53
oiaohm	Its the worst rating you give to code that kind runs.	Mar 26 23:53
Balrog_	there are different levels of alpha	Mar 26 23:53
Balrog_	Reactos is at the bottom :/	Mar 26 23:54
oiaohm	There is lower than Reactos I can find.	Mar 26 23:54
oiaohm	Early hurd alphas	Mar 26 23:54
oiaohm	The bugger would lock up every 5 seconds.	Mar 26 23:54
schestowitz	A true rarity: http://techdirt.com/artic… (Austalian ISP Stands Up For Users In Court — Claims They’re Not Violating Copyright)	Mar 26 23:55
oiaohm	Reactos you do at least stand a chance of doing a few things.	Mar 26 23:55
Balrog_	I see…. hurd was really that bad?	Mar 26 23:55
Balrog_	yeah, at least reactos doesn’t crash right away.	Mar 26 23:55
oiaohm	hurd is a really strong microkernel design. Lets say a little too strong.	Mar 26 23:55
oiaohm	It was going into crash loops off the start line.	Mar 26 23:55
oiaohm	Of the thread manager.	Mar 26 23:56
Balrog_	heh…	Mar 26 23:56
Balrog_	hows its progress so far?	Mar 26 23:56
oiaohm	Thread manager comes up make a task work. Crashed fault detection kicks in Thread manager restarted and back around the loop again.	Mar 26 23:56
oiaohm	Yep crashloops	Mar 26 23:57
oiaohm	System still runs but limping really badly.	Mar 26 23:57
Balrog_	I see. No one’s working on it anymore?	Mar 26 23:57
schestowitz	Oh no. It’s back… http://www.adjb.net/post/SC-34-Me…	Mar 26 23:57
oiaohm	People still do work on it.	Mar 26 23:57
oiaohm	Hurd is really complex to debug.	Mar 26 23:57
oiaohm	Nothing just stops.	Mar 26 23:58

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