| jose |
“As things are, if we make an “invention” (and don’t patent it), we open it up to the world to use (like BSD), but if MS creates one (and patents it), we can’t use theirs. In both cases, a person stood on shoulders of giants, but only one of these “inventors” allowed others to stand even higher ..and it was the nice inventors (FOSS) that ended up with the short end of the stick! That is bad way to reward innovation — a fundamental s |
Oct 29 00:01 |
| jose |
crew-up of patent law.” |
Oct 29 00:01 |
| schestowitz |
Not destroy the broken law and preserve sane laws? |
Oct 29 00:02 |
| *schestowitz reads. |
Oct 29 00:02 |
| schestowitz |
Do you know how much a patent costs to garden? |
Oct 29 00:03 |
| jose |
i’m all for destroying broken PUKE laws.. but see what i wrote |
Oct 29 00:03 |
| jose |
yes, i know that is not pretty |
Oct 29 00:03 |
| schestowitz |
It’s a law created by the wealthy, for the wealthy. |
Oct 29 00:03 |
| jose |
actually could you enlighten |
Oct 29 00:03 |
| schestowitz |
We should post it in BN for some feedback maybe. |
Oct 29 00:03 |
| jose |
what would costs be like |
Oct 29 00:04 |
| jose |
research and write-up could be free in a sense |
Oct 29 00:04 |
| jose |
and lawyers might participate |
Oct 29 00:04 |
| jose |
actual filing fees and other costs? |
Oct 29 00:04 |
| *schestowitz done reading |
Oct 29 00:05 |
| jose |
maybe we could do a shared partnership where nonFOSS can pay |
Oct 29 00:05 |
| schestowitz |
Patents are hugely expensive and time consuming. |
Oct 29 00:06 |
| jose |
and the cosponsor (covering costs) would get a good percentage of such royalties |
Oct 29 00:06 |
| jose |
for regular dev, yes |
Oct 29 00:06 |
| schestowitz |
FFII works to eliminate swpats and related laws, whereas OIN does a Mixican shootout type-thing. |
Oct 29 00:06 |
| jose |
actually, IBM patented something along the lines of using patents to protect small businesses or FOSS |
Oct 29 00:06 |
| jose |
i agree with ffii |
Oct 29 00:07 |
| jose |
that is why i wanted opinions |
Oct 29 00:07 |
| jose |
to lay everything on the table |
Oct 29 00:07 |
| schestowitz |
Don’t fire fire with fire. You’ll get BURNED.  |
Oct 29 00:07 |
| jose |
i know that |
Oct 29 00:07 |
| jose |
yet we fight copyright with copyleft |
Oct 29 00:07 |
| schestowitz |
Don’t wrestle with a pig… you both get dirty, but only the pig enjoys it.. or the TROLL. |
Oct 29 00:07 |
| jose |
i’ve heard that one before here.. |
Oct 29 00:08 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, not mine. |
Oct 29 00:08 |
| schestowitz |
Tim O’Reilly used it last year (borrowed it from someone). |
Oct 29 00:08 |
| schestowitz |
Is it patented? |
Oct 29 00:08 |
| jose |
i don’t want to attempt wasting times on patents |
Oct 29 00:09 |
| schestowitz |
Nobody is willing. |
Oct 29 00:09 |
| jose |
but if we were going to do it.. if it could work out practically.. then you’d want to win that game if possible |
Oct 29 00:09 |
| jose |
i am not |
Oct 29 00:09 |
| schestowitz |
FOSS is popular because programmers love code. |
Oct 29 00:09 |
| jose |
but |
Oct 29 00:09 |
| jose |
some people don’t mind |
Oct 29 00:09 |
| schestowitz |
Filing stupid papers and hiring lawyers is a chore. |
Oct 29 00:09 |
| jose |
they may want incentives though |
Oct 29 00:09 |
| schestowitz |
Only Novell devs do such nonsense. |
Oct 29 00:10 |
| jose |
the license would be set up so that anyone could step up and do the chore though |
Oct 29 00:11 |
| jose |
and we would all benefit |
Oct 29 00:11 |
| jose |
it’s like the gplv3 i think |
Oct 29 00:11 |
| jose |
except to add more lubrication in our favor |
Oct 29 00:12 |
| jose |
like foss, anyone can pick it up and run with it |
Oct 29 00:12 |
| jose |
and like gpl, we’d all be guaranteed to benefit |
Oct 29 00:12 |
| schestowitz |
Who would volunteer to just file for patents? |
Oct 29 00:13 |
| schestowitz |
And this still isn’t protection from trolls. |
Oct 29 00:13 |
| jose |
some people might volunteer. if we could play that game well.. to lead to MAD, then more would be willing to take time to lend a hand |
Oct 29 00:14 |
| jose |
trolls would be unsafe if we get enough and if they ever want to use real software for anything in their lives |
Oct 29 00:14 |
| jose |
personally, i would like to add that “interests” in a company filing for patents puts you at stake |
Oct 29 00:15 |
| jose |
i wish the gpl had done that |
Oct 29 00:15 |
| jose |
if the license is open ended enough, it would really accel MAD |
Oct 29 00:16 |
| jose |
sure, we wouldn’t get IBM contributions |
Oct 29 00:16 |
| jose |
i think this is dealing with puke, but maybe under the right circumstances, we might get a lot of support.. users contributing would benefit .. like with FOSS, most would benefit except a small fraction (shrink-wrapped/ patent mongers) |
Oct 29 00:18 |
| schestowitz |
How about a peripheral ‘patent’ body? |
Oct 29 00:19 |
| jose |
? |
Oct 29 00:19 |
| schestowitz |
Like online patent placements? |
Oct 29 00:19 |
| schestowitz |
Make a farce of USPTO |
Oct 29 00:20 |
| schestowitz |
Say it is an unlawful illegitimate institute. |
Oct 29 00:20 |
| jose |
but what would be force |
Oct 29 00:20 |
| jose |
well, “saying” would not be enough by itself |
Oct 29 00:20 |
| schestowitz |
have you inventions RECOGNISED and DOCUMENTED elsewhere. That’s what it’s all about, no? |
Oct 29 00:20 |
| jose |
if you don’t file, i think you lose out on monopoly rights |
Oct 29 00:21 |
| schestowitz |
Patents are a certificate symbolising some recognition mfor achieving some mental, well… fart. |
Oct 29 00:21 |
| jose |
officiall file |
Oct 29 00:21 |
| schestowitz |
Like emoticons, cookies, and one-click shopping. |
Oct 29 00:21 |
| jose |
copyrights: auto; patents: not.. leads to the unfairness for foss |
Oct 29 00:21 |
| schestowitz |
Or PgUp/PgDn (key for paging) |
Oct 29 00:21 |
| jose |
no, the danger is the legal enforcement of monopolies |
Oct 29 00:22 |
| jose |
we can market that foss innovates, but that is different |
Oct 29 00:22 |
| schestowitz |
If you can document ideas in some Wikis as you go along (not just in source code), then maybe you can assert something in the form of a /statement/ |
Oct 29 00:22 |
| jose |
yes, maybe that would be a way forward, but the formality is what adds protection to fight |
Oct 29 00:23 |
| schestowitz |
I think of something else. |
Oct 29 00:23 |
| jose |
btw, i think the asserting is puke .. it’s all puke.. |
Oct 29 00:23 |
| schestowitz |
Trolls aside, if you can accumulate lists of things an aggressor does but never patented, then you can slam them.. well, verbally to to speak, not with the assistance of US law. |
Oct 29 00:23 |
| jose |
we may be able to get help from puke dealers if we give incentives |
Oct 29 00:24 |
| jose |
like that for royalty payment cases,they get a cut |
Oct 29 00:24 |
| schestowitz |
The only money in patents is bullying and litigation. |
Oct 29 00:24 |
| schestowitz |
bad name for FOSS.. |
Oct 29 00:24 |
| schestowitz |
Like defending the GPL, but much worse cause you don’t approach with violation of your own CODE. |
Oct 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz |
Just IDEAS. |
Oct 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz |
That said… |
Oct 29 00:25 |
| jose |
copyright faces same issues except that it is free to acquire and is less broad in scope |
Oct 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz |
You are on to something because.. |
Oct 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz |
Some guy from FFII thought about creating his own patent troll to attack Microsoft Office. |
Oct 29 00:25 |
| jose |
that would help neutralize Microsoft |
Oct 29 00:25 |
| schestowitz |
You could set something up. |
Oct 29 00:25 |
| jose |
that cases exists today |
Oct 29 00:25 |
| jose |
the issue is will those with the patents play along |
Oct 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz |
Then buy patents that Office violates and attack Microsoft with them… just to make a statement. |
Oct 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz |
As he puts it, “go for removal of product from market” (Microsoft Office)_ |
Oct 29 00:26 |
| jose |
right, i’m surprised this hasn’t happened to date |
Oct 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, I know that exists. |
Oct 29 00:26 |
| schestowitz |
But if it comes from a troll-like aggressor that’s targeting one of the biggest pro-swpats lobbyinst, then.. |
Oct 29 00:27 |
| jose |
10 patents a month focused on MSO would get the laws changed tout de suite |
Oct 29 00:27 |
| schestowitz |
*lobbyist |
Oct 29 00:27 |
| jose |
fighting is costly though |
Oct 29 00:27 |
| schestowitz |
FFII might be able to get funding, but I’m not sure. |
Oct 29 00:27 |
| schestowitz |
You need to just fish for the right patents but also hire lawyers. |
Oct 29 00:28 |
| jose |
messy. |
Oct 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz |
jose: you can just threaten them, no fight. |
Oct 29 00:28 |
| jose |
puke is messy |
Oct 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz |
LXER has a page too.. hold on. |
Oct 29 00:28 |
| jose |
yeah |
Oct 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz |
http://lxer.com/module/db/viewby.ph… |
Oct 29 00:28 |
| jose |
so do we need anything further than what we have today? |
Oct 29 00:28 |
| schestowitz |
Patents Microsoft may be infringing… |
Oct 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz |
“Patent Region Patent NR Title |
Oct 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz |
EP 0,689,133 Method of displaying multiple sets of information in the same area of a computer screen |
Oct 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz |
EP 0,195,098 System for reproducing information in material objects at a point of sale location |
Oct 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz |
US 6,167,394 Information management system with remote access and display features |
Oct 29 00:29 |
| schestowitz |
EP 0,537,100 A method of implementing a preview window in an object oriented programming system” |
Oct 29 00:29 |
| jose |
so, i’ll repeat: |
Oct 29 00:30 |
| jose |
do we need anything further than what we have today? |
Oct 29 00:30 |
| jose |
anyway, that license suggestion may not hurt if done right and it could certainly help put some patents in our corner |
Oct 29 00:30 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Oct 29 00:31 |
| jose |
it’s pukacious |
Oct 29 00:31 |
| schestowitz |
We need to respond. |
Oct 29 00:31 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft is crumbling and it’ll probably go aggressive directly, or by proxy (IV et al) |
Oct 29 00:31 |
| jose |
minimum, we should be able to pressure a scenario where all FOSS becomes immune to patents.. though defining the scope of “FOSS” might get tricky |
Oct 29 00:32 |
| jose |
we have the arguments on our side, but we might still need fire |
Oct 29 00:32 |
| schestowitz |
What is FOSS? |
Oct 29 00:33 |
| jose |
to get laws to change as they should |
Oct 29 00:33 |
| schestowitz |
A lot of OSS is semi-proprietary |
Oct 29 00:33 |
| jose |
in this case that may not hurt |
Oct 29 00:33 |
| schestowitz |
I’drather limit things to Free software (GPL). |
Oct 29 00:33 |
| jose |
since the result would be non patent enforcement over anything |
Oct 29 00:33 |
| schestowitz |
FOSS may not deserve special treatment, but Free software has the political element that’s more vengeful. |
Oct 29 00:34 |
| jose |
i’d rather that gpl not be allowed on closed platforms like windows |
Oct 29 00:34 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll do a post about it tomorrow. |
Oct 29 00:34 |
| schestowitz |
Also on that E-mail. |
Oct 29 00:34 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft is trying to devour FOSS |
Oct 29 00:34 |
| schestowitz |
Blackboard tries the same thing, but that’s another separate story. |
Oct 29 00:34 |
| schestowitz |
Blackboard is funded (was funded) by Microsogft |
Oct 29 00:35 |
| schestowitz |
Part of the same toxic waste pretty much.. |
Oct 29 00:35 |
| schestowitz |
The criminals still snub the EU regulators: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquire… |
Oct 29 00:37 |
| jose |
the monopoly provisions of patent laws are too strong. |
Oct 29 00:38 |
| jose |
this is something that could get watered down, but in a way where foss is still not off the hook |
Oct 29 00:38 |
| jose |
yet we couldn’t stop ms from putting out mso |
Oct 29 00:38 |
| jose |
various watering down efforts could leave us weak |
Oct 29 00:39 |
| schestowitz |
Public optnion matters. |
Oct 29 00:39 |
| jose |
if people were “building and sharing with FOSS”, we would have much more leverage |
Oct 29 00:40 |
| schestowitz |
To talk about activism for a moment, I mainly read and write stuff. |
Oct 29 00:40 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t go out to the streets to protest physically. |
Oct 29 00:40 |
| schestowitz |
But with awareness comes a wider response and it’s our better change… |
Oct 29 00:40 |
| schestowitz |
Remember Chris’ “Sue me Fisrt” from last year? |
Oct 29 00:40 |
| jose |
think so |
Oct 29 00:40 |
| jose |
website got taken down right |
Oct 29 00:41 |
| schestowitz |
If you show people how ugly a company has become using patent threats, they will naturally die off. |
Oct 29 00:41 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft is said to be gaming many sites to paint itself as a good company. it fools a lot of people. Gates and his bogus ‘Fundation’ too… joint by the press he owns. |
Oct 29 00:41 |
| jose |
if people don’t use foss and if we don’t have weapons, i think we will have the rules changed so that we are vulnerable |
Oct 29 00:42 |
| schestowitz |
If people understand who runs the company — “criminals”, depending on who you ask, including sources close to the company — then people will avoid Microsoft. |
Oct 29 00:42 |
| jose |
many elements within the foss community want to form friendship bonds with ms |
Oct 29 00:42 |
| jose |
we can’t even get our own house in order |
Oct 29 00:43 |
| jose |
money has influence |
Oct 29 00:43 |
| schestowitz |
“Sue me First” was actually about people signing up for Microsoft to sue them (for Linux violations). A way of saying Microsoft is BSing. |
Oct 29 00:43 |
| jose |
yeah |
Oct 29 00:43 |
| schestowitz |
The system is corrupt too. |
Oct 29 00:43 |
| jose |
memory is refreshed |
Oct 29 00:43 |
| schestowitz |
RMS is spending a lot of his time these days educating people about the umrella that permits abusive monopolisation and corruption. |
Oct 29 00:44 |
| schestowitz |
The current economic collapse too is a result of corruption. |
Oct 29 00:44 |
| schestowitz |
At the very top level.. imposed by those macro-economists who overlooked the system at a World Bank-level. |
Oct 29 00:44 |
| schestowitz |
BN has had some successful impact in helping people realise and remember who Microsoft is. |
Oct 29 00:45 |
| schestowitz |
That’s what makes Microsofters like Miguel de Icaza so uncomfortable about the site. |
Oct 29 00:45 |
| jose |
byfield wrote a “neutral” article about BN |
Oct 29 00:45 |
| schestowitz |
haha. |
Oct 29 00:46 |
| schestowitz |
Did you see Sam’s article? It took me by surprise. |
Oct 29 00:46 |
| jose |
and wrote another about rules of engagement but i didn’t read it |
Oct 29 00:46 |
| jose |
which |
Oct 29 00:46 |
| schestowitz |
Bruce just attacked the site. Pillock. |
Oct 29 00:46 |
| schestowitz |
jose: yes, he told me he would wr |
Oct 29 00:46 |
| schestowitz |
jose: yes, he told me he would write that second article too. |
Oct 29 00:46 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.itwire.com/content/vie… |
Oct 29 00:47 |
| schestowitz |
Miguel de Icaza called Sam a “Jihadist” IIRC, so he didn’t take that well. |
Oct 29 00:47 |
| schestowitz |
When he saw the Linux.com he must have reacted also as defence for his own side. |
Oct 29 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
Give it a year, give it two |
Oct 29 00:48 |
| schestowitz |
When the trolls use Mono and other “Free” Posionware to attack GNU/Linux, then they’ll try to deny that people knew in advance. |
Oct 29 00:48 |
| jose |
the prob with mono isn’t that i will use it. it’s that it could grow to encompass too much and of decent quality (in theory). overall, it would take away resources from the safer and more strategic foss |
Oct 29 00:51 |
| schestowitz |
yes, it’s happening already. |
Oct 29 00:52 |
| schestowitz |
Banshee, Moonlight, Tomboy… |
Oct 29 00:52 |
| schestowitz |
They will sooner or later claim that all the ‘cutting-edge’ apps are using the ‘cutting-edge’ MSMONO |
Oct 29 00:53 |
| jose |
schestowitz, just sent you another (short) email. |
Oct 29 01:00 |
| jose |
the added reading info is not that short though.. (can skip article if want though it’s kind of interesting) |
Oct 29 01:00 |
| jose |
no need to read now |
Oct 29 01:00 |
| jose |
the comments |
Oct 29 01:01 |
| jose |
roy, the comments may not be that clear, sorry, but ask away if you want |
Oct 29 01:05 |
| schestowitz |
No, it’s clear. |
Oct 29 01:06 |
| schestowitz |
I think that given this documented conversation and the notes, there’s a good post coming. |
Oct 29 01:06 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll also discuss this with FFII if I get the chance. |
Oct 29 01:06 |
| jose |
i sent you another link (2nd email), but i was looking over that and it isn’t clear at all.. so don’t worry |
Oct 29 01:08 |
| jose |
it’s complicated to explain that project |
Oct 29 01:09 |
| jose |
without tangible material |
Oct 29 01:09 |
| schestowitz |
What Free software needs is not just code. |
Oct 29 01:10 |
| schestowitz |
It needs protection for the existing stuff too. |
Oct 29 01:10 |
| schestowitz |
KDE development is already stifled by patents (e.g. Apple stuff) |
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Oct 29 01:48 |
| MinceR |
gn |
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Oct 29 01:51 |
| jose |
schestowitz, let me add something.. |
Oct 29 01:55 |
| schestowitz |
OK |
Oct 29 01:55 |
| jose |
the incentive to those writing up the patents can exist |
Oct 29 01:55 |
| jose |
because there is a business model of selling propri licenses to third parties that pay |
Oct 29 01:56 |
| jose |
where you own copyrights to say gpl code (so they’d have incentive to pay for special licenses). |
Oct 29 01:56 |
| jose |
this is where the patent writers can pull in their royalties (even if tiny) |
Oct 29 01:56 |
| jose |
plus, many would have as an incentive to tap into ms’ |
Oct 29 01:57 |
| jose |
closed source monopoly |
Oct 29 01:57 |
| jose |
pricing |
Oct 29 01:57 |
| jose |
as long as there is closed source |
Oct 29 01:57 |
| jose |
there would be potential for royalties |
Oct 29 01:57 |
| jose |
cause otherwise, you are right, there might be less than zero motivation for almost anyone to do the bulk of writing up a patent |
Oct 29 01:57 |
| jose |
i can even see law and engineering students contributing |
Oct 29 01:58 |
| schestowitz |
What about trolls? |
Oct 29 01:58 |
| jose |
what specifically?.. you mean our protection from them? |
Oct 29 01:58 |
| jose |
well, a shell corp might be safe if they don’t use closed software for very much |
Oct 29 01:58 |
| jose |
but we can go after those owning a stake in such companies |
Oct 29 01:59 |
| jose |
we’d neutralize ms at least |
Oct 29 01:59 |
| jose |
ie, if you own a stake in a company that attacks, you lose your protections for the software you use |
Oct 29 01:59 |
| jose |
then trolls would be isolated |
Oct 29 02:00 |
| jose |
rather than be leveraged as the loophole they represent today for getting around gpl3 or whatever |
Oct 29 02:00 |
| jose |
if it is MAD for enough people laws can change |
Oct 29 02:00 |
| jose |
will change |
Oct 29 02:00 |
| jose |
but we want protection from what they might be changed to |
Oct 29 02:01 |
| jose |
if possible |
Oct 29 02:01 |
| jose |
i don’t like puke, but this might simply be an extra tool |
Oct 29 02:01 |
| jose |
and puke sweepers might handle the dirty work for us |
Oct 29 02:01 |
| jose |
we’d benefit and they would too |
Oct 29 02:01 |
| jose |
trolls could always be a problem, but by themselves, laws would change i think |
Oct 29 02:02 |
| jose |
anyway, the best part is that the license would set up the framework .. it would create a lot of food for those that want to play the patent game.. but with FOSS safe in proportion to more participating to gather up that food.. i mean puke |
Oct 29 02:03 |
| jose |
i think |
Oct 29 02:03 |
| schestowitz |
Will you market is as P.U.K.E.? |
Oct 29 02:07 |
| jose |
MAD fro PUKE |
Oct 29 02:08 |
| jose |
PUKEs |
Oct 29 02:08 |
| schestowitz |
I still think that trolls can only be made toothless and clawless through systenmwide changes. |
Oct 29 02:08 |
| jose |
this may help accel to that point while giving us strength along the way and creating something that can counter ms more effectively in the meantime |
Oct 29 02:08 |
| jose |
you are right that this would have to be marketed |
Oct 29 02:09 |
| schestowitz |
Who will sign up and based on what premise/promise? |
Oct 29 02:09 |
| jose |
Well, today, you can’t come up with a patent unless you invent.. this would open up a framework allowing you to patent what you see in exchange for immunity and maybe even giving the project a perce cut of royalties taken against closed source |
Oct 29 02:10 |
| jose |
of course, most patents are bogus |
Oct 29 02:10 |
| jose |
ok, maybe we can add something about retaining rights to also use the patents |
Oct 29 02:11 |
| jose |
it would be co-owned so that any party could use it |
Oct 29 02:11 |
| jose |
otherwise, ms would leverage this and not sue itself, etc |
Oct 29 02:11 |
| jose |
no that didn’t make sense |
Oct 29 02:11 |
| jose |
there are details to be ironed out for sure |
Oct 29 02:12 |
| schestowitz |
It sounds like OIn |
Oct 29 02:12 |
| jose |
allowing offensive use would attract puke sweepers |
Oct 29 02:12 |
| schestowitz |
That’s of no use. |
Oct 29 02:12 |
| schestowitz |
Well, as phrased above anyway |
Oct 29 02:12 |
| jose |
we’d have coverage for all foss |
Oct 29 02:12 |
| jose |
instead of just linux or some limited set |
Oct 29 02:13 |
| jose |
but what is “all foss”? |
Oct 29 02:13 |
| jose |
details details |
Oct 29 02:13 |
| jose |
if it was like oin, it would be different in that contributions would projects could be used by patents created by others because of co-ownership |
Oct 29 02:14 |
| jose |
or rather, the inventor would get the patent |
Oct 29 02:14 |
| jose |
but with an auto license that the ones writing it up would get access to royalty fees — that would be their incentive |
Oct 29 02:15 |
| jose |
the inventors have to be the patent owners i think based on us patent law |
Oct 29 02:15 |
| jose |
details |
Oct 29 02:15 |
| jose |
this way |
Oct 29 02:15 |
| jose |
prior art |
Oct 29 02:15 |
| jose |
would not just be useful in court to refute attacking patents |
Oct 29 02:15 |
| jose |
but could actually be seized ahead of time to create a patent for us |
Oct 29 02:15 |
| schestowitz |
From trolls too? |
Oct 29 02:16 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft could use its proxies. |
Oct 29 02:16 |
| schestowitz |
Although it becomes too transparent |
Oct 29 02:16 |
| schestowitz |
If Microsoft attacked from IV, it would be too obvious. |
Oct 29 02:16 |
| schestowitz |
So the proxy, much like some exposed lobbying arms, is rendered useless. |
Oct 29 02:16 |
| schestowitz |
SCO comes to mind |
Oct 29 02:16 |
| jose |
well, that is why i mentioned that the auto protection would extend to users that did not attack or own interests (define?) in attackers |
Oct 29 02:16 |
| jose |
so all foss users would gain license unless you attacked (like existing clauses) |
Oct 29 02:17 |
| jose |
this is a little confusing now hold on |
Oct 29 02:17 |
| jose |
ok, you see an invention |
Oct 29 02:17 |
| jose |
that falls as contribution under this license |
Oct 29 02:18 |
| jose |
you write up a patent which would be filed under the inventor(s) name |
Oct 29 02:18 |
| jose |
you auto get access rights to royalties |
Oct 29 02:18 |
| jose |
royalties to what? |
Oct 29 02:18 |
| jose |
well, all “foss” users would be immune from royalties unless they violated as just stated (eg, ownership in troll) |
Oct 29 02:19 |
| jose |
also, closed source software users would not get an auto license but would have to deal with the person that has those rights |
Oct 29 02:19 |
| jose |
some amount of royalties would be reserved for the project/inventor |
Oct 29 02:19 |
| jose |
the writer would get the rest |
Oct 29 02:20 |
| jose |
the inventor would also be able to seek royalties in case the writer didn’t (eg, to neutralize ms) |
Oct 29 02:20 |
| jose |
remember, foss users and devs are safe if they don’t attack or own trolls |
Oct 29 02:20 |
| jose |
closed source and violators would be subject to having to license (probably for royalties) |
Oct 29 02:21 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll need to think about it. |
Oct 29 02:21 |
| jose |
this would be a direct and immediate way to combat Microsoft’s closed source supported monopolies |
Oct 29 02:21 |
| schestowitz |
What about Apple? |
Oct 29 02:22 |
| jose |
we might have a clause to deal with the agpl effect |
Oct 29 02:22 |
| jose |
apple would need licenses sure |
Oct 29 02:22 |
| jose |
and the patent writer or the inventors could come after apple |
Oct 29 02:22 |
| jose |
if apple does the closed source thing.. which they do today |
Oct 29 02:22 |
| jose |
anyway, so this would be a direct weapon against the powerful closed source monopolies |
Oct 29 02:23 |
| jose |
foss safe |
Oct 29 02:23 |
| jose |
and the royalties incentive would get many patent writers quickly to our side |
Oct 29 02:23 |
| jose |
building strategic patents and patents useful to bring closed source monopolies down quicker |
Oct 29 02:24 |
| jose |
and the foss devs would for the most part do nothing different than what they have been doing |
Oct 29 02:24 |
| jose |
coding |
Oct 29 02:24 |
| schestowitz |
It’s more important to kill the FUD |
Oct 29 02:24 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft won’t sue quite soon, but it’ll use extortion. |
Oct 29 02:24 |
| jose |
and maybe helping out a bit with the patent.. since they know they might get some money |
Oct 29 02:24 |
| schestowitz |
Pressure on vendors like Red Hat and fear in customers’ minds. |
Oct 29 02:25 |
| jose |
this gives us a larger amount of defensive FUD |
Oct 29 02:25 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Oct 29 02:25 |
| jose |
red hat could say, yeah, but ms violates 2000 patents |
Oct 29 02:25 |
| jose |
that where we have a license and they don’t |
Oct 29 02:25 |
| jose |
the pressure would more quickly mount to use open source (defined?) |
Oct 29 02:26 |
| jose |
not shared source, btw |
Oct 29 02:26 |
| jose |
and this would help tackle the monopoly issue that the antitrust auth have been powerless against for so long |
Oct 29 02:26 |
| jose |
ms cannot sustain their effectiveness if they go open source |
Oct 29 02:27 |
| jose |
and if they will use monopoly money against us, we might as well get a cut |
Oct 29 02:27 |
| jose |
|
Oct 29 02:27 |
| jose |
I’m getting simply MAD about this |
Oct 29 02:27 |
| schestowitz |
Red Hat already has OIN |
Oct 29 02:27 |
| jose |
Patents U Kan Enherit |
Oct 29 02:27 |
| jose |
i know that’s bad |
Oct 29 02:27 |
| schestowitz |
I’m just a little tired (2:30AM) |
Oct 29 02:28 |
| jose |
awful actually |
Oct 29 02:28 |
| jose |
i have to go too |
Oct 29 02:28 |
| schestowitz |
We should continue this tomorrow. |
Oct 29 02:28 |
| schestowitz |
gn |
Oct 29 02:28 |
| jose |
maybe tomorrow it will make more sense |
Oct 29 02:28 |
| jose |
gn |
Oct 29 02:28 |
| jose |
rh has oin.. this would be a framework that could be used to grow oin faster and larger.. it could also end up giving foss projects royalties |
Oct 29 02:29 |
| jose |
i know who’d thunk i’d be talking about royalties to foss projects when we are such enemies of patents |
Oct 29 02:30 |
| jose |
using patent law against them.. by leveraging numbers, we could show how useless and unfair the system is |
Oct 29 02:30 |
| jose |
remember, today, patents are built separately not in collaboration |
Oct 29 02:30 |
| jose |
and the inventors frequently don’t participate, losing out on an opportunity for oin defense for example |
Oct 29 02:31 |
| jose |
since in us law at least, the inventor must be the one to file |
Oct 29 02:31 |
| jose |
it’s adding lubrication to the system |
Oct 29 02:31 |
| jose |
leveraging foss for patents as we already do for copyrights |
Oct 29 02:32 |
| jose |
foss community that is |
Oct 29 02:32 |
| jose |
the bottom line is that if we are going to be attacked by patents, and if we can leverage our numbers to give ourselves more leverage, and if a byproduct could mean that attackers like microsoft/”interop” are more quickly neutralized, and if in the process foss projects and inventors might gain some money, and we’d get patent writers on our side, then maybe we should seize the op |
Oct 29 02:34 |
| jose |
roy, if we find a way to *really* tilt the system to our side, then all of those with ideas working on ways to marginalize foss will lose their appetite and have to agree with us or at least go back to the drawing board |
Oct 29 02:38 |
| jose |
greasing the wheels of patent collaboration can help take us from a weak number (eg) 8 position right to the top of the race |
Oct 29 02:39 |
| jose |
AND we can give the writers protection themselves |
Oct 29 02:40 |
| jose |
this would get a bunch more patent contributions for foss, eg, from ibm and others |
Oct 29 02:41 |
| jose |
they would have incentives to participate on our defense as much as possible, else someone else scoop up the opportunity and charge them a fee later on. |
Oct 29 02:41 |
| jose |
ie, patent writers that participated could get some protection for their own closed source products.. ah, nevermind, this would offer strong monopolies a way to get out of this |
Oct 29 02:42 |
| jose |
details details details |
Oct 29 02:42 |
| jose |
??? |
Oct 29 02:42 |
| jose |
note that we are not penalizing commercial foss as ms is doing (eg, red hat and others). we’d be charging for those that would keep around their closed source monopolies.. which would have given them monopoly pricing power |
Oct 29 02:46 |
| jose |
this is pretty much how dual licensing is used sometimes: stay foss and you are fine, or go closed but pay a fee. |
Oct 29 02:47 |
| jose |
imagine if foss devs, rather than merely producing prior art, could end up in a partnership to make royalties from closed source, while someone else does the dirty work (in exchange for some rights)… |
Oct 29 02:49 |
| jose |
that is a fairer deal to our devs.. less like the patent equiv of public domain that exists today and instead be more like the gpl which has teeth |
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Oct 29 03:11 |
| jose |
roy, the great idea went down in flames |
Oct 29 03:11 |
| jose |
mad means you don’t attack |
Oct 29 03:11 |
| jose |
if we did, then foss would have problems |
Oct 29 03:11 |
| jose |
which means no pressure against closed source |
Oct 29 03:11 |
| jose |
well, it would maybe if the company didn’t have patents |
Oct 29 03:12 |
| jose |
without the royalty incentive (eg, from a big fish like ms), then patent writers would have few motivations i think |
Oct 29 03:12 |
| jose |
whatever.. tomorrow i’m busy almost the entire day but maybe something else will come up.. the concept of collaborating on patents might still be useful. |
Oct 29 03:14 |
| jose |
eg, if the costs aren’t too high, people might still want to contribute for free since this would give us a concrete weapon as a hedge (stronger than simply prior art) |
Oct 29 03:15 |
| jose |
gn |
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Oct 29 05:25 |
| MinceR |
geekings |
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| *tessier makes a submission to /. |
Oct 29 10:09 |
| schestowitz |
Which one? |
Oct 29 10:09 |
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Oct 29 10:11 |
| tessier |
Which one what? |
Oct 29 10:12 |
| tessier |
Which /.? |
Oct 29 10:12 |
| schestowitz |
Heh. No, what story? |
Oct 29 10:12 |
| tessier |
Oh….the little known story of the downfall of Linspire |
Oct 29 10:12 |
| schestowitz |
Are you still in touch with Robert? |
Oct 29 10:12 |
| tessier |
Michael Robertson? |
Oct 29 10:12 |
| tessier |
http://kevincarmony.blogspot.com/2008/1… |
Oct 29 10:12 |
| schestowitz |
Oops. yes. |
Oct 29 10:13 |
| schestowitz |
Hehe. Let me see. |
Oct 29 10:13 |
| tessier |
No, I’ve never really been “in touch” with him. I never liked the guy. Real asshole. |
Oct 29 10:13 |
| tessier |
Although I have his email and he and I are both on an mp3-alumni mailing list where all of us former employees still chat about stuff. |
Oct 29 10:13 |
| tessier |
I had a couple potential opportunities to work for him again but I’ve always passed, even when I was hurting for work. |
Oct 29 10:14 |
| schestowitz |
What a mess. |
Oct 29 10:14 |
| tessier |
Wow, past 3am. I gotta be at work in almost 5 hours. Time to sleep. night! |
Oct 29 10:14 |
| schestowitz |
GN |
Oct 29 10:14 |
| schestowitz |
Iceland seeks aid from ECB, Fed; hikes interest rate to 18 pct < http://afp.google.com/article/… > |
Oct 29 11:03 |
| schestowitz |
How predictable… “More Election Shenanigans – Check Your Registration NOW” < http://technocrat.net/d/2008/10/28/52849 > |
Oct 29 11:06 |
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Oct 29 11:58 |
| schestowitz |
Funny cartoon : http://vistasucks.files.wordpress.com/20… |
Oct 29 11:59 |
| MinceR |
:> |
Oct 29 12:04 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… “With just a week to go before the US presidential election, academics, politicians, and voters are voicing increased distrust of the electronic voting machines that will be used to cast ballots.” |
Oct 29 12:05 |
| schestowitz |
Amazing!! “Stevens faces a maximum of 35 years in prison. But he’s a Senator. So nobody is actually expecting any jail time.” < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/28/t… >. This system is corrupted beyond belief. |
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Oct 29 12:10 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph… “Bruce your ability to offend people and then disingenuously crying wolf does not amuse… “ |
Oct 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz |
‘This was a common trick by Rob Enderle [...] Back in the anti-trust trial/sco trial days; put out something that is nothing more than flame-bait and then cries of “poor me” or worse “those open-source meanies”.’ |
Oct 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_st… |
Oct 29 12:11 |
| schestowitz |
‘ Ah brucy [...] He must be torqued off about the backlash from his boycott-novell article on Linux.com. Here’s news for you bruce: It’s not just FOSS.’ |
Oct 29 12:12 |
| schestowitz |
“The fact is the FOSS community is a community plagued by fears; fears about Microsoft, sellout Linux vendors, patent trolls, SCO, Apple, you name it. And when people get afraid, they get irrational, and everyone starts looking suspicious.” |
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Oct 29 13:23 |
| twitter |
see there? you did not have to write anything about BB at all. |
Oct 29 14:30 |
| twitter |
The last quote gets it backward. It would be irrational to not be suspicious of unrepentant, convicted felons like M$. They are powerful, so it takes real bravery to call them out. |
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Oct 29 15:17 |
| _Doug |
How to track a teenager hacker |
Oct 29 15:18 |
| _Doug |
01. Go on social networks |
Oct 29 15:18 |
| _Doug |
02. Go on Youtube |
Oct 29 15:18 |
| _Doug |
03. Go to the hacker website |
Oct 29 15:18 |
| _Doug |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi… |
Oct 29 15:18 |
| _Doug |
|
Oct 29 15:18 |
| schestowitz |
Hey |
Oct 29 15:21 |
| _Doug |
hey dude are u a hak0r |
Oct 29 15:22 |
| _Doug |
shoosh .. don’t tell anyone on Facebook :] |
Oct 29 15:22 |
| _Doug |
what’s missing from this ‘report’ is the computing ecosystem all these hacks run on … |
Oct 29 15:23 |
| schestowitz |
“Ecosystem” is a bad word… like “blogosphere” it should be loathed. |
Oct 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz |
Ecosystem is what I call shillcosystem. It’s a grouping of vested interests. |
Oct 29 15:25 |
| _Doug |
hacksystem ? |
Oct 29 15:25 |
| _Doug |
hackosystem ?? |
Oct 29 15:25 |
| _Doug |
“Bosses must stop leaving data security to the “IT boys” and other staff and take responsibility themselves” |
Oct 29 15:26 |
| _Doug |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_po… |
Oct 29 15:26 |
| _Doug |
It’s the bosses that are the source of the problem .. |
Oct 29 15:26 |
| _Doug |
if they let the ‘IT boys’ do their job, then their wouldn’t be all these data losses |
Oct 29 15:27 |
| schestowitz |
Oh, I see… |
Oct 29 15:27 |
| _Doug |
like leaving MI5 secret laptops on the train |
Oct 29 15:27 |
| schestowitz |
So you’re referring to non-technical people who have a hardon for Exchcnge? |
Oct 29 15:27 |
| _Doug |
who in their right mind walks around with confidential datas on a laptop, on a USN key, or posts it through the Rayal MAil ???? !!!!!! |
Oct 29 15:28 |
| schestowitz |
Or people who choose technology based on brochures and “someone to point a finger at” when things go awry? |
Oct 29 15:28 |
| schestowitz |
A hacker. |
Oct 29 15:28 |
| schestowitz |
*cracker, sorry |
Oct 29 15:28 |
| _Doug |
quote: ‘Windows 2000 has X zillion of lines’ |
Oct 29 15:29 |
| schestowitz |
From the video? |
Oct 29 15:29 |
| _Doug |
I have to sit there while some brain dead CIO reads me out loud from PC world .. |
Oct 29 15:29 |
| schestowitz |
Well, it’s the Beeb |
Oct 29 15:29 |
| schestowitz |
From the media channel that says transistors are tiny computers |
Oct 29 15:29 |
| _Doug |
no, thast quote is from real life .. |
Oct 29 15:29 |
| schestowitz |
IDG? |
Oct 29 15:30 |
| schestowitz |
PCWorld? |
Oct 29 15:30 |
| schestowitz |
They are IDG (IDC), you know? |
Oct 29 15:30 |
| schestowitz |
Wintel press, funded partly by Microsoft through studies and all… |
Oct 29 15:30 |
| _Doug |
It was how they described the power of W2K, in terms of number of lines .. |
Oct 29 15:30 |
| _Doug |
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
Oct 29 15:30 |
| _Doug |
It was how they described the power of W2K to the pointy haired ones, in terms of number of lines |
Oct 29 15:31 |
| schestowitz |
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/06/… |
Oct 29 15:31 |
| _Doug |
that’s how they vost programmers, in terms of number of lines they can bang out per hour .. |
Oct 29 15:32 |
| _Doug |
‘they cost’ |
Oct 29 15:32 |
| schestowitz |
Yes. |
Oct 29 15:32 |
| schestowitz |
So if someone removes many bugs, the measurable progress is low. |
Oct 29 15:33 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.thisisby.us/index.php/con… |
Oct 29 15:34 |
| benJIman |
_Doug: Noone sensible does. |
Oct 29 15:34 |
| benJIman |
Good programmers often have a negative line count per hour. |
Oct 29 15:34 |
| _Doug |
it’s just a metric they come up with thet the PHB would understand .. lines of code .. good grief .. |
Oct 29 15:35 |
| _Doug |
.. LINES OF CODE .. |
Oct 29 15:35 |
| _Doug |
‘How to track a teenaged hacker’ .. they call this hacking .. more like scribbling graffiti on a wall .. |
Oct 29 15:37 |
| twitter |
W2K source code, “we are morons” http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2… |
Oct 29 15:37 |
| twitter |
show that to the boss. |
Oct 29 15:37 |
| _Doug |
and no mention of the root cause of the ‘hacking’ phishing virus infestation .. |
Oct 29 15:37 |
| _Doug |
this is all so 1993 .. |
Oct 29 15:38 |
| _Doug |
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107048/ |
Oct 29 15:38 |
| _Doug |
Clippy is having the worst day of his life … over and over again .. |
Oct 29 15:39 |
| twitter |
Poor choice of software by ill informed decisions is the only thing you should blame the user for in security problems. |
Oct 29 15:39 |
| _Doug |
and who chooses the software .. not the IT ‘boys’ to be sure .. |
Oct 29 15:39 |
| twitter |
For example, users should not have to worry about lost data on portable devices if the device is encrypted. |
Oct 29 15:39 |
| _Doug |
some fucking idiot who believes the ability to read makes him qualified to make IT related decisions .. |
Oct 29 15:40 |
| twitter |
Sure, M$ based decisions come from the top, like the London stock exchange fiasco. |
Oct 29 15:40 |
| schestowitz |
|
Oct 29 15:40 |
| schestowitz |
The ‘IT boys’ chose Vistaserver for stock markets? |
Oct 29 15:40 |
| schestowitz |
That’s begging for a black screen of you-know-what |
Oct 29 15:41 |
| twitter |
Begging for a Black Tuesday. |
Oct 29 15:41 |
| twitter |
ahhh! |
Oct 29 15:41 |
| _Doug |
I don’t think so .. the management consultants choos it, most probably .. |
Oct 29 15:41 |
| schestowitz |
Furse? |
Oct 29 15:42 |
| twitter |
The person who chose M$ for the LSE was not an IT person nor qualified to make the decision. |
Oct 29 15:42 |
| twitter |
The proof is in the performance. |
Oct 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz |
Furse should not resign, she should be sacked : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09… |
Oct 29 15:43 |
| schestowitz |
London Stock Exchange in denial over system outage : http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/it-bu… |
Oct 29 15:43 |
| twitter |
Just the same, we should not blame the user for nasty breaches of security. Decision makers and M$ are to blame for the most part. |
Oct 29 15:43 |
| schestowitz |
The LSE has crashes many times since then… but not in the technical sense. |
Oct 29 15:43 |
| schestowitz |
FTSE is back up today… above 4000 |
Oct 29 15:43 |
| schestowitz |
About those Windows Live Messenger outages… : http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=1585 |
Oct 29 15:44 |
| _Doug |
who was it that one said the Internet was to important to be left to the propellerheads ? |
Oct 29 15:45 |
| _Doug |
“To be sure, the CIO (not on the board) is ex-Accenture man David Lester” |
Oct 29 15:46 |
| schestowitz |
Who said “Let’s face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey”? |
Oct 29 15:46 |
| _Doug |
well that explains it .. |
Oct 29 15:46 |
| _Doug |
if you want to kill an IT project hire on EDS and Accenture to run it .. |
Oct 29 15:46 |
| twitter |
I’ll be happy if we don’t suffer a depression over a few companies that deserve to fail. I just don’t see how it can be avoided with the current concentration of wealth and all the factories being in China. |
Oct 29 15:46 |
| _Doug |
have EDS and Accenture bid to run Chimas IT infrastructure, |
Oct 29 15:47 |
| schestowitz |
Moto headcount… ? “Sanjay Jha, co-CEO at Motorola, is planning another round of layoffs in the mobile division as the group struggles to reduce the range of supported platforms from the existing 15 to something a little more manageable.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/… |
Oct 29 15:47 |
| schestowitz |
At least they are joining Android. |
Oct 29 15:47 |
| schestowitz |
Convergence at last. They can bring their stack parts to OHA. |
Oct 29 15:48 |
| schestowitz |
There was an article in El Reg about the NHS failure the other day. |
Oct 29 15:48 |
| schestowitz |
Their wasting of like 12 billion pounds could save some banks, no? |
Oct 29 15:48 |
| schestowitz |
Privacy bomb: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1… |
Oct 29 15:49 |
| _Doug |
luckly most perscription medicines has no effect .. |
Oct 29 15:50 |
| _Doug |
|
Oct 29 15:50 |
| schestowitz |
Links dump for old news.. http://www.internetling.com/2008/10/28/50-resour… … any use for just that, unless it’s all news? |
Oct 29 15:53 |
| schestowitz |
HOWTOs too…. who actually looks for very specific HOWTOs among the news, just because they are newly-published? |
Oct 29 15:53 |
| twitter |
Here’s an ongoing troll fest. http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1010345 Dedazo and Macthorpe are the same person. It’s funny to watch him try to outbid himself as the biggest troll. |
Oct 29 15:55 |
| schestowitz |
BN is going to surpass 100 GB of traffic tomorrow… for October. |
Oct 29 15:55 |
| twitter |
|
Oct 29 15:55 |
| schestowitz |
Why do they bother. |
Oct 29 15:56 |
| schestowitz |
Shills4shils |
Oct 29 15:56 |
| schestowitz |
Defend the other dunces uv’ the emporer. |
Oct 29 15:56 |
| _Doug |
“If you change tabs To spaces, you will be killed doing so fucks the build process!” |
Oct 29 15:56 |
| schestowitz |
*emperor |
Oct 29 15:56 |
| _Doug |
“ACHTUNG!!! this is a special hack for IBM antivirus software” |
Oct 29 15:57 |
| twitter |
They are the same person, obviously. I wonder if AlexGr is the same person too. Maybe BB. Who knows? |
Oct 29 15:57 |
| _Doug |
‘CallProc32W is insane. It’s a variadic function that uses the pascal calling convention. (It probably makes more sense when you’re stoned.)’ |
Oct 29 15:58 |
| MinceR |
windows? |
Oct 29 15:59 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft Response to Zsulik’s Comments : http://slashdot.org/comme… |
Oct 29 15:59 |
| schestowitz |
What is he like, a spokesman for Redmond now? |
Oct 29 15:59 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2… “By Peter galli” |
Oct 29 15:59 |
| schestowitz |
Galli is now a Microsoft employee |
Oct 29 15:59 |
| schestowitz |
He used to do their dirty jobs in the press (Ziff/Gates) |
Oct 29 16:00 |
| schestowitz |
Controversy Swirls Around Changes in GPLv3 [...] By Peter Galli |
Oct 29 16:00 |
| schestowitz |
It would be nice to see a nice list of eWeek articles from (now) Microsoft employee Peyte Galli |
Oct 29 16:01 |
| schestowitz |
He threw a lot of FUD. |
Oct 29 16:01 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Sou… “But ACT (the Association for Competitive Technology), which has previously been accused of being an association founded and cultivated solely to protect Microsofts interests in Washington, views the issue differently.” |
Oct 29 16:03 |
| twitter |
Nasty little trolls don’t like being exposed. |
Oct 29 16:03 |
| twitter |
ha ha |
Oct 29 16:03 |
| schestowitz |
Nice one, Pete. Quoting a Microsoft shill arm/pressure group… < http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/08/ass… >. If you have time, it’s worth studying these ‘moles’ http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09… http://boycottnovell.com/2007/12/04/… |
Oct 29 16:04 |
| _Doug |
“UBERSOFT. We Patent, So You Can’t” |
Oct 29 16:16 |
| _Doug |
http://www.groklaw.net/article… |
Oct 29 16:16 |
| schestowitz |
UK’s £12.7 billion NHS scheme in trouble : http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqui… |
Oct 29 16:16 |
| schestowitz |
This is the third one in recent days… http://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/… http://www.ubersoft.net/comic/hd/200… |
Oct 29 16:18 |
| schestowitz |
“Currently the only thing saving the project is the high cost of cancelling contracts with IT suppliers. In other words, the government has wasted so much dosh already, it might as well try to plug in the lemon.” |
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| _Doug |
only a geek would understand this ‘void initRand();’ as a random link .. |
Oct 29 16:19 |
| _Doug |
http://www.ubersoft.net/void-initrand |
Oct 29 16:19 |
| _Doug |
only it isn’t  |
Oct 29 16:19 |
| _Doug |
“the only thing saving the project” .. the Titanic defense .. if we keep going fast enough, we won’t hit an iceberg |
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Oct 29 16:36 |
| _Doug |
Android flaw due to use of Open Source components say security researchers .. |
Oct 29 16:56 |
| _Doug |
“The vulnerability is due to the fact Google did not use the most up-to-date versions of all these packages,” |
Oct 29 16:56 |
| _Doug |
http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/22291… |
Oct 29 16:56 |
| _Doug |
“Because Android relies on some 80 different open-source components, keeping track of security disclosures and bug fixes could prove difficult, potentially leaving the platform open to future attacks” |
Oct 29 16:56 |
| twitter |
12.7 billion pounds? does it really cost that much to sftp dicom files? |
Oct 29 16:57 |
| schestowitz |
It’s more than that. |
Oct 29 16:57 |
| twitter |
Because M$ depends on hundreds of different secret source components, keeping track of anything has proved difficult. |
Oct 29 16:58 |
| twitter |
“In other words, this particular security vulnerability that affects the G1 phone was known and fixed in the relevant software package, but Google used an older, still vulnerable version.” ick, if true. |
Oct 29 17:00 |
| twitter |
I’m having a hard time getting through the clueless parts. |
Oct 29 17:00 |
| MinceR |
i wonder how distros manage to keep track of security disclosures and bug fixes then |
Oct 29 17:00 |
| MinceR |
oh wait, they do it better than microsoft ever has. |
Oct 29 17:00 |
| _Doug |
’12.7 billion’ ? wha ? |
Oct 29 17:01 |
| schestowitz |
Boycott Novell…Big in Japan… http://sourceforge.jp/magazine/0… |
Oct 29 17:01 |
| twitter |
It’s funny how M$ uses the poor security record to tar other companies. |
Oct 29 17:01 |
| twitter |
cool, but I have no idea what they are saying. |
Oct 29 17:02 |
| twitter |
Doug, see Roy’s NHS link. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/ne… |
Oct 29 17:03 |
| schestowitz |
The number has been out for like a year. |
Oct 29 17:03 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: I have no idea even what /I/ am said to be saying. I don’t really speak Japanese. |
Oct 29 17:04 |
| schestowitz |
I installed Skype this morning. it’s embarrassing. |
Oct 29 17:05 |
| MinceR |
seems to be signed by Byfield though |
Oct 29 17:05 |
| twitter |
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/transla… |
Oct 29 17:06 |
| twitter |
Sorry to hear about skype problems. |
Oct 29 17:06 |
| MinceR |
looks like a translation of an article someone has already linked here. |
Oct 29 17:07 |
| twitter |
Gnome netmeeting became Ekigia (sp). KDE’s chat has web cam stuff but not for all protocols. |
Oct 29 17:07 |
| _Doug |
“Quite, like whether you do not know the fatigue of, Schestowitz “ |
Oct 29 17:07 |
| _Doug |
|
Oct 29 17:07 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: no, there’s no problem. But I’ve avoided Skype cause it’s proprietary. This time I have no choice cause the phone system is dysfunctional. |
Oct 29 17:08 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: I checked Ekiga the other day. The Windows client (for peers) is still in Beta, so… |
Oct 29 17:08 |
| MinceR |
skype isn’t merely proprietary |
Oct 29 17:08 |
| MinceR |
it’s a black box |
Oct 29 17:09 |
| schestowitz |
_Doug: is that the translation? |
Oct 29 17:09 |
| MinceR |
i’d go as far as to call it spyware |
Oct 29 17:09 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, I know. |
Oct 29 17:09 |
| schestowitz |
Surveillance on phones is the same though… it’s a black box too. |
Oct 29 17:09 |
| _Doug |
translation, yes |
Oct 29 17:09 |
| schestowitz |
Top-priority projects list from the FSF includes a Skype substitute. |
Oct 29 17:10 |
| twitter |
The translation is just as verbose as BB native, but it makes a little more sense that way. |
Oct 29 17:10 |
| schestowitz |
Govts. /LOVE/ Skype |
Oct 29 17:10 |
| schestowitz |
They must be getting back doors to it. |
Oct 29 17:10 |
| schestowitz |
There\s evidence abound. |
Oct 29 17:10 |
| twitter |
Boycott Novell has expressed “great crack is borne” |
Oct 29 17:10 |
| schestowitz |
And in China the Govt. stalks the textual chats, based on word triggers. |
Oct 29 17:10 |
| twitter |
China has that cute little cartoon cop to make sure people don’t use dirty words like freedom. |
Oct 29 17:11 |
| schestowitz |
Haha. |
Oct 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, I know that one. |
Oct 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz |
http://images.google.com/images?um=1&am… |
Oct 29 17:13 |
| schestowitz |
Novell boosted with its OOo fork.. http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/… |
Oct 29 17:15 |
| twitter |
a little too real for me http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/i… |
Oct 29 17:19 |
| schestowitz |
Articles like this < http://www.convergedigest.com/standards… > absolutely FLOOOOODED the news. Why is it so newsworthy? We didn’t hear when the other companies joined. Did /. push this agenda too? ‘Open’ Microsoft? |
Oct 29 17:21 |
| _Doug |
Other members of the AMQP Working Group include Cisco, Credit Suisse, Deutsche Boerse Systems, Envoy Technologies Inc., The Goldman Sachs Group, iMatix, IONA Technologies, J.P. Morgan, Novell, Rabbit Technologies Ltd., Red Hat Inc., TWIST Process Innovations Ltd., WSO2 and 29West Inc .. |
Oct 29 17:22 |
| schestowitz |
Has RMS ever traveled to China? I know he was afraid of Russia, |
Oct 29 17:22 |
| _Doug |
Look who isn’t there .. about two only software companies .. |
Oct 29 17:22 |
| twitter |
EWeek Articles by Peter Golly Golly 4/24 of this year. http://www.eweek.com/cp/bio/Peter-Galli/ |
Oct 29 17:22 |
| schestowitz |
_Doug: yes, not a word about it. Then Microsoft joins and the news is FLOODED by praises for the Vole. |
Oct 29 17:22 |
| _Doug |
IONA .. used to be big in online commerce solutions .. |
Oct 29 17:23 |
| _Doug |
sorry, three software companies, MS, Novell and Red Hat .. |
Oct 29 17:24 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: lots of Microsoft stuff. Hardly ever critical at all. |
Oct 29 17:24 |
| twitter |
Yeah, but they end on 4/24. Missed the word end above, my bad. |
Oct 29 17:25 |
| schestowitz |
MS agenda-pushing: portuno_diamo: http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/corpor… |
Oct 29 17:26 |
| schestowitz |
Someone warned me about that ” portuno_diamo” character the other day |
Oct 29 17:26 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/I… … Just like OLPC… shoot first, then pretend to have apologised. Intel’s gangster-like behaviour is still being concealed being logos and images. |
Oct 29 17:31 |
| _Doug |
notice how being rebuffed by Yahoo was another good stratigic decision on behalf of MS .. they’re right even when they’re wrong |
Oct 29 17:32 |
| _Doug |
“Matters would be different had Microsoft bought Yahoo during late first quarter .. Instead, Microsoft is flush with cash |
Oct 29 17:33 |
| _Doug |
“ |
Oct 29 17:33 |
| _Doug |
but they had to borrow to finance the3 Yahoo takeover .. and the bid still isn’t over .. |
Oct 29 17:34 |
| _Doug |
“perhaps ironically, the economy will do for Microsoft what it couldn’t competitively: Eliminate troublesome Web 2.0 platform companies” |
Oct 29 17:34 |
| twitter |
portuno_diamo is that guy for real? Is Joe Wilcox for real? Clueless. |
Oct 29 17:34 |
| twitter |
M$, ignoring the internet since 1995. |
Oct 29 17:35 |
| twitter |
That’s a competitive advantage. |
Oct 29 17:35 |
| _Doug |
explain what magic sauce MS lives on that it is immune to the economic downturn .. |
Oct 29 17:35 |
| twitter |
WORD.DOC, ha ha |
Oct 29 17:35 |
| _Doug |
“The economic blight will kill many trees in the forest. Microsoft will replace them.” |
Oct 29 17:35 |
| twitter |
Google and ODF sail along. |
Oct 29 17:35 |
| twitter |
Windows market share must be falling by now. |
Oct 29 17:36 |
| twitter |
I visited LSU’s Student Union yesterday. Every other laptop was a Mac. |
Oct 29 17:36 |
| twitter |
Zero Vista seen. |
Oct 29 17:37 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: it does (market share falls) |
Oct 29 17:37 |
| _Doug |
Microsoft slugs aged care centres .. |
Oct 29 17:38 |
| _Doug |
http://www.australianit.news.com.au/s… |
Oct 29 17:38 |
| twitter |
Wilcox sez, ” Microsoft couldn’t be bringing its cloud services to market at a better time. For many cash-strapped businesses, hosted versions of Exchange, SharePoint and other Microsoft server software will be hugely appealing, particularly when reducing staff and management costs. “ |
Oct 29 17:39 |
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Oct 29 17:39 |
| twitter |
What a moron. There are plenty of email providers, including google. |
Oct 29 17:39 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Oct 29 17:39 |
| schestowitz |
The site is biased though. |
Oct 29 17:39 |
| _Doug |
why will ‘the cloud’ be more sucessfull than Google Apps ? |
Oct 29 17:40 |
| twitter |
It’s also a huge FU to MSCEs |
Oct 29 17:40 |
| schestowitz |
Because the Slog sez so |
Oct 29 17:40 |
| twitter |
fail |
Oct 29 17:40 |
| _Doug |
“tried, true and supported commercial software matters more when times are tough” |
Oct 29 17:40 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* |
Oct 29 17:40 |
| schestowitz |
And rain is good… well, for the garden |
Oct 29 17:40 |
| twitter |
then he suggests moving to new untried commercial software |
Oct 29 17:41 |
| schestowitz |
Clouds are dangerous |
Oct 29 17:41 |
| _Doug |
“Microsoft Releases Emergency Critical Patch” http://www.crn.com/security/211600229 |
Oct 29 17:41 |
| _Doug |
|
Oct 29 17:41 |
| schestowitz |
Remember DRM/MSN shop for music? |
Oct 29 17:41 |
| twitter |
half his success companies are web 1.0 survivors. |
Oct 29 17:41 |
| schestowitz |
Shut down |
Oct 29 17:41 |
| schestowitz |
Music dead |
Oct 29 17:41 |
| schestowitz |
The Register had something… wait |
Oct 29 17:41 |
| schestowitz |
“When you hit the quota…it’s possible we will block access to your site,” Microsoft’s Manuvir Das told PDC after a session, Lap Around Windows Azure. Das did try to reassure potential developers blocking was not guaranteed, but noted: “We have the capability to do that and may have to do that.” < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/1… > |
Oct 29 17:42 |
| PetoKraus |
haha beranger  |
Oct 29 17:42 |
| schestowitz |
What did he do *this* time? |
Oct 29 17:43 |
| PetoKraus |
it happened to me once; we didn’t mention a guy for about a half a year |
Oct 29 17:43 |
| PetoKraus |
and it turned out he read the logs of the channel |
Oct 29 17:43 |
| PetoKraus |
but was afraid to come in |
Oct 29 17:43 |
| PetoKraus |
and the day he was mentioned, he actually came in to defend himself |
Oct 29 17:43 |
| schestowitz |
Who’s that? |
Oct 29 17:44 |
| PetoKraus |
poor old sod, reading trough heaps of rubbish |
Oct 29 17:44 |
| schestowitz |
Novell employees sometimes come here. |
Oct 29 17:44 |
| PetoKraus |
Beranger reminded me of this |
Oct 29 17:44 |
| PetoKraus |
Beranger: come in, don’t worry, you may as well say something useful! |
Oct 29 17:44 |
| _Doug |
benJIman .. wassup ? |
Oct 29 17:44 |
| PetoKraus |
(http://beranger.org/index.php?page=dia…) |
Oct 29 17:44 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* |
Oct 29 17:45 |
| PetoKraus |
touche, i say |
Oct 29 17:46 |
| _Doug |
ot: see ‘Joe the Plumber’ work his brain .. |
Oct 29 17:52 |
| _Doug |
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vFC9jv9jfoA |
Oct 29 17:52 |
| _Doug |
and ‘Joe the Plumber’ isn’t really a plumber |
Oct 29 17:52 |
| PetoKraus |
it’s a fake. |
Oct 29 17:53 |
| PetoKraus |
obviously |
Oct 29 17:53 |
| PetoKraus |
from the first glimpse. |
Oct 29 17:54 |
| PetoKraus |
i just don’t know whether McCain or Obama hired him |
Oct 29 17:54 |
| _Doug |
I suspected that as well .. Joes is just too primed .. it’s just he has no real come-back to Obama .. |
Oct 29 17:54 |
| PetoKraus |
i ain’t suspecting. I am sure. the moment you see high school girl students posting pro-obama posts on facebook |
Oct 29 17:55 |
| PetoKraus |
you pretty much don’t believe anything is real. |
Oct 29 17:55 |
| _Doug |
“Joe the Plumber is now Joe the foreign policy advisor?” |
Oct 29 17:57 |
| _Doug |
http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/2008/… |
Oct 29 17:57 |
| _Doug |
IS this a spoof ? |
Oct 29 17:57 |
| schestowitz |
Still a few days left for dirty tricks. |
Oct 29 17:57 |
| schestowitz |
The McCain video I posted made it into FSDaily’s front page, |
Oct 29 17:58 |
| schestowitz |
Here’s something I don’t get. Microsoft unveiled Web-based Office years ago (almost 2)… and it failed to attract user by its own admission.. they they remake old news… http://www.pcworld.com/articl… |
Oct 29 18:00 |
| schestowitz |
Sun too did this with OpenSolaris… ‘announcing’ it a zillion times saying “This is IT! This is THE release.” After some powwow in the press, which thought it was really news, there was nothing. |
Oct 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz |
And same with Vista 7. |
Oct 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft showed some ‘leaked’ (fake ‘leaks’.. like viral blogs) of Vista 7 before. |
Oct 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz |
It’s a Vista with some selective screen captures of new buttons, wallpapers and slapstick. |
Oct 29 18:02 |
| schestowitz |
Vista 7 *IS* Mojave. It’s Vista under another name. |
Oct 29 18:02 |
| _Doug |
‘THE Labor Party has removed all speeches from the lead-up to the last election from its website amid claims of plagiarism in politics .. “We are just trying to keep the website as up to date as possible,” Mr Bitar said. ‘ |
Oct 29 18:06 |
| _Doug |
http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0… |
Oct 29 18:06 |
| schestowitz |
Linux-based smartphone now just $179.99 : http://www.pcworld.com/article/152… (take that, Apple) |
Oct 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz |
But Google’s Android is faux-source |
Oct 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz |
You can’t build the s/w for other phones. Same with Chrome, AKAIK. |
Oct 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz |
*AFAIK |
Oct 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz |
Apple and Microsoft hand in glove: http://www.pcworld.com/article/15… ( iTunes 8 to Vista: Give Me a B, an S, an OD ) |
Oct 29 18:10 |
| schestowitz |
Fujitsu Cuts Financial Outlook on Tough Market, Strong Yen < http://www.pcworld.com/article/15297… > |
Oct 29 18:11 |
| _Doug |
keeping the campaign clean: tying Obama to middel-eastern terrorists .. |
Oct 29 18:11 |
| _Doug |
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9LxOMX57kOc |
Oct 29 18:11 |
| schestowitz |
The US needs someone more respected. As someone said to me, this year’s candidates are both iffy. Palin and McCain are much worse. |
Oct 29 18:14 |
| _Doug |
McCain called Obama too intellectual ? |
Oct 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
It’s weird that David M Williams covers a story like this: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/21410/1054/ He’s very pro-Linux. Weird… |
Oct 29 18:18 |
| _Doug |
“MYOB .. is being re-engineered using leading edge Microsoft technologies” |
Oct 29 18:22 |
| _Doug |
wha ? |
Oct 29 18:22 |
| _Doug |
“MYOB makes the move to SQL Server, .NET “ |
Oct 29 18:23 |
| _Doug |
is this the same leading edge technologies that powers the NHS and the LSE ? |
Oct 29 18:24 |
| schestowitz |
iSoft outsources NHS work to India: http://politics.guardian.co.uk/e… |
Oct 29 18:25 |
| schestowitz |
“But despite having placed its offices close to Manchester’s three main higher education institutions, iSoft’s chief executive, Patrick Cryne, admitted yesterday that much of the software manufacturing work will be done at its new facility in Chennai (Madras), India. “ |
Oct 29 18:25 |
| schestowitz |
NHS Scotland pools budget for Microsoft savings < http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… > |
Oct 29 18:26 |
| _Doug |
I wonder what they gave MYOB to ‘invest’ in SQL.NET |
Oct 29 18:26 |
| schestowitz |
http://radar.oreilly.com/20… “We can not afford to take the risk of a Vice-President (especially for a candidate as old as McCain) who is scornful of science, denies human involvement in creating climate change, and is completely unprepared to tackle this most urgent of problems.” |
Oct 29 18:28 |
| _Doug |
MYOB, only on Mac or longVista 7 |
Oct 29 18:28 |
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Oct 29 18:34 |
| schestowitz |
LongVista. I like that. They tried to dodge the LH name around 2005 when it collapsed and got direputed. |
Oct 29 18:37 |
| trmanco |
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/29/technology/b… |
Oct 29 18:53 |
| schestowitz |
Brilliant post from Adam Williams about Ubuntu: http://www.happyassassin.net/2008/… |
Oct 29 18:53 |
| schestowitz |
trmanco: I don’t bother mentioning Vista 7. That, too, will go the way of the dodo |
Oct 29 18:54 |
| trmanco |
for sure it will |
Oct 29 18:54 |
| schestowitz |
If it appears some time in 2010 (maybe), then it’ll soon turn out to be just another Vista, despite the ads. |
Oct 29 18:54 |
| schestowitz |
Same Vista DRM prison. |
Oct 29 18:54 |
| schestowitz |
Same underlying codebase that’s a mess.. too much for Microsoft’s engineers to manage. |
Oct 29 18:55 |
| schestowitz |
They promised to make it modular. Did they do it? No, not this time. So it’s still goo. |
Oct 29 18:55 |
| MinceR |
i wouldn’t call them engineers |
Oct 29 18:55 |
| schestowitz |
They said it would boot fast… well, they soon forgot all about that promise and ran away to hide under a rock. |
Oct 29 18:55 |
| schestowitz |
MS-Certified Sandwich engineers (MCSE)? |
Oct 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
 |
Oct 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
Either way, all their code slingers seem to be leaving. |
Oct 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
hb-1 without any familiarity with the code take over and probably break a lot of stuff. |
Oct 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
iTunes 8 to Vista: Give Me a B, an S, an OD < http://www.pcworld.com/article/152967/i… > |
Oct 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz |
http://mdzlog.wordpress.com/… “There are currently over 46000 open Ubuntu bug reports in Launchpad.” |
Oct 29 19:03 |
| MinceR |
Minesweeper Consultants and Solitaire Experts |
Oct 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz |
Interesting. http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/re… “I’m sure Asus has their reasons for not allowing a download of the restore ISO. Perhaps they are under some legal obligation to keep it off the digital shelves.” |
Oct 29 19:09 |
| schestowitz |
“As it stands now, I can’t put Xandros back onto my EeePC. Thankfully, there are alternatives.” |
Oct 29 19:10 |
| MinceR |
who misses xandros anyway? :> |
Oct 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz |
Do the Dellbuntu laptops come with a recovery CD? |
Oct 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz |
The point I’m looking at in Shawn’s article is to do with codec licences and all… and Xandros. |
Oct 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz |
KDE gets the attention of researchers: New KTorrent version plugs security vulnerabilities ( http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/Ne… ) |
Oct 29 19:13 |
| trmanco |
http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/o… |
Oct 29 19:22 |
| schestowitz |
Google Attacks The Messenger Over Android Vulnerability < http://techdirt.com/articles/20081027/19… > |
Oct 29 19:24 |
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Oct 29 19:26 |
| schestowitz |
They can optimise the installation/build, trmanco. It’s also possible to slim down Vista and to show something moving on 500 MB of RAM. |
Oct 29 19:27 |
| trmanco |
slim down vista |
Oct 29 19:28 |
| trmanco |
better slim down XP then |
Oct 29 19:28 |
| trmanco |
even more |
Oct 29 19:28 |
| trmanco |
BRB |
Oct 29 19:28 |
| schestowitz |
Vista ran on netbooks too, if you tired /hard/. |
Oct 29 19:29 |
| schestowitz |
Trying hard for demo purposes isn’t enough. http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_b… |
Oct 29 19:29 |
| MinceR |
does novell receive payment for suse on the MSI Wind and the HP 2133 Mini-Note PC? |
Oct 29 19:30 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t know. |
Oct 29 19:31 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft probably gets paid though. They take a portion from Novell. |
Oct 29 19:31 |
| trmanco |
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2008/10/29… |
Oct 29 19:55 |
| schestowitz |
“Apache once again shows the largest growth, gaining 463 thousand sites this month.” |
Oct 29 19:56 |
| schestowitz |
“What’s a Lynus?” http://gizmodo.com/5070019/walmart… |
Oct 29 19:59 |
| schestowitz |
IBM is feeding the Yankee Group. Bad IBM. http://elibrary.line56.com/detail/RES/12249… |
Oct 29 20:00 |
| schestowitz |
And later Microsoft pays these shills as well and they produce something against Linux. Same with the Linux Foundation and IDC (Al Gillen and other sellouts) |
Oct 29 20:01 |
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| schestowitz |
We ought to mention FOSS projects more. Just got this mail from a reader: “I can’t remember which article I was going to comment on. It was more than afew hours ago and I got interrupted. But my comment was to make a reminder to *always* name at least one real technology in each article, per MS imitation.” |
Oct 29 20:03 |
| schestowitz |
“Look at it this way: if they can keep you complaining about their product, at least your preoccupied with theirs and not the real ones. Might keep a mapping table handy. If product X gets mentioned by MSFTers, respond with Red Hat and Ubuntu. if Y, then Apache and Lighttpd. If Z then thunderbird with lightning. If W then OOo, etc.” |
Oct 29 20:04 |
| schestowitz |
“sponsored by IBM” http://elibrary.line56.com/detail/RES… Yankee Lie(C). Next, please. $20,000 per ‘study’? |
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| schestowitz |
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/… ” His warning follows an admission yesterday by Jacqui Smith that the technical work on creating a giant centralised database of all email, text, phone and web traffic will go ahead, despite the fact that ministers have decided to delay the legislation needed to set it up and instead put the proposal out to consultation.” |
Oct 29 20:32 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Schne… “Schneier: Enjoy surveillance while it is still visible. Measures such as ID cards are a temporary measure before biometric technology becomes ubiquitous; That was the warning from security guru Bruce Schneier this week who claims that surveillance technology will get more sophisticated and, more importantly, smaller and harder to dete |
Oct 29 20:34 |
| schestowitz |
ct” |
Oct 29 20:34 |
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| trmanco |
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/28/… |
Oct 29 21:04 |
| schestowitz |
Leave Vista 7 alone. Seen that H-P thing yet? |
Oct 29 21:04 |
| trmanco |
nop |
Oct 29 21:04 |
| schestowitz |
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938… http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=10613 |
Oct 29 21:04 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/… |
Oct 29 21:04 |
| *trmanco looks |
Oct 29 21:05 |
| schestowitz |
They tried to deny the BusinessWeek article from last month about H-P dodging Vista and Microsoft to build a custom GNU/Linux… they were right. |
Oct 29 21:05 |
| schestowitz |
Big news |
Oct 29 21:05 |
| schestowitz |
No SIGNS of SUSE (H-P used to stock SLED)! |
Oct 29 21:05 |
| schestowitz |
benJIman will be thrilled that H-P canned SUSE. |
Oct 29 21:06 |
| schestowitz |
http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-1053… “The real news here is that HP DROPPED SUSE FOR UBUNTU!!! “ |
Oct 29 21:06 |
| trmanco |
haha |
Oct 29 21:08 |
| trmanco |
now going back to the one I mentioned |
Oct 29 21:10 |
| trmanco |
“We’ve always known Microsoft intends Windows 7 to run on netbooks, and we got a small taste during the PDC keynote: Windows SVP Steve Sinofsky held up his “personal” laptop running Windows 7, an unnamed 1GHz netbook with 1GB of RAM that looked a lot like an Eee PC, and said that it still had about half its memory free after boot. (We’re guessing it was running a VIA Nano, given the announcement this morning and since most Atoms run a |
Oct 29 21:10 |
| trmanco |
t 1.6GHz.)” |
Oct 29 21:10 |
| trmanco |
hmmm |
Oct 29 21:10 |
| trmanco |
half is good |
Oct 29 21:10 |
| trmanco |
I wonder how bloated and cluttered It will become after installing all those proprietary drivers |
Oct 29 21:11 |
| trmanco |
512MB a, Linux can do a lot better, Windows has a lot to catch |
Oct 29 21:12 |
| trmanco |
“At the other end of the scale, Windows 7 supports machines with up to 256 CPUs.” |
Oct 29 21:12 |
| trmanco |
I wonder how many cpu’s Linux supports ? |
Oct 29 21:12 |
| schestowitz |
It’s all vapourware. |
Oct 29 21:12 |
| schestowitz |
It’s a demo. Wait until the hocus pocus show ends |
Oct 29 21:12 |
| *trmanco is waiting |
Oct 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz |
They do this to freeze the market… give home to naive companies. |
Oct 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz |
PC makers move closer to a post-Windows world < http://bigtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/… >. Savour another victory. |
Oct 29 21:26 |
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Oct 29 21:28 |
| _Doug |
when Cray ruled the world .. |
Oct 29 21:31 |
| _Doug |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/… |
Oct 29 21:31 |
| twitter |
Heh, even the Wintel press is getting tired of waiting http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/215739 |
Oct 29 21:31 |
| trmanco |
hmm |
Oct 29 21:31 |
| trmanco |
U just came up with something |
Oct 29 21:31 |
| trmanco |
I* |
Oct 29 21:31 |
| schestowitz |
Ta for the link! |
Oct 29 21:32 |
| twitter |
Windows 7 is Vista with a new coat of paint, Azure is Hailstone 2.0, ouch. |
Oct 29 21:32 |
| schestowitz |
Yes |
Oct 29 21:32 |
| schestowitz |
Joel Spolsky said so too. |
Oct 29 21:32 |
| schestowitz |
Hailstone I mean… |
Oct 29 21:32 |
| trmanco |
http://blog.somekool.net/files/kde… | http://media.arstechnica.com/images/wind… == Looks like we have twins |
Oct 29 21:32 |
| schestowitz |
He said that several months ago though. |
Oct 29 21:32 |
| trmanco |
I’ mostly referring to the start menu |
Oct 29 21:33 |
| schestowitz |
Vista 7 Fisher Price Edition. :-0 |
Oct 29 21:33 |
| trmanco |
lol |
Oct 29 21:33 |
| twitter |
meanwhile compiz fusion runs on first generation eeepc. |
Oct 29 21:34 |
| schestowitz |
“Just as slow as Vista. In fact, Windows 7′s performance is virtually identical to that of Vista SP1 on the same hardware. If you were unhappy with Vista’s CPU-hogging, memory-sucking ways, Windows 7 will provide little relief.” |
Oct 29 21:34 |
| schestowitz |
See, trmanco, I told you. |
Oct 29 21:34 |
| schestowitz |
Yes, KDE4 runs on Netbooks with eye candy too. |
Oct 29 21:34 |
| trmanco |
Aaggr |
Oct 29 21:35 |
| schestowitz |
We have a winner. Vista 7 is another loser, so the winners are Apple and GNU |
Oct 29 21:35 |
| trmanco |
Microsoft sure does innovate |
Oct 29 21:35 |
| schestowitz |
Marketing innovations |
Oct 29 21:35 |
| schestowitz |
How to ‘leak’ screenshots |
Oct 29 21:35 |
| schestowitz |
How to ‘demo’ for performance and rename products. |
Oct 29 21:36 |
| trmanco |
better KDE screenshot -> http://www.ngohq.com/attachments/general-softwa… |
Oct 29 21:36 |
| schestowitz |
As I said earlier, Vista 7 is the Real Slim Sha… eerrr… the Real Mojave. |
Oct 29 21:36 |
| trmanco |
lol |
Oct 29 21:36 |
| trmanco |
ooo Mojaveeeéé |
Oct 29 21:36 |
| trmanco |
crap |
Oct 29 21:38 |
| trmanco |
I don’t remember what was the name of one of M$ services that ripped off Canonical’s logo |
Oct 29 21:38 |
| trmanco |
Alumni |
Oct 29 21:39 |
| trmanco |
http://msanet.org/ |
Oct 29 21:40 |
| trmanco |
haha |
Oct 29 21:40 |
| twitter |
Interesting, coming from this source http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/10/mi… |
Oct 29 21:41 |
| schestowitz |
I remember that. |
Oct 29 21:41 |
| schestowitz |
But it’s a generic logo |
Oct 29 21:41 |
| schestowitz |
No-one stole anything. |
Oct 29 21:41 |
| MinceR |
looks a lot like the edubuntu logo |
Oct 29 21:41 |
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Oct 29 21:41 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: the big news is about H-P |
Oct 29 21:41 |
| twitter |
oh? |
Oct 29 21:41 |
| twitter |
Oh! “non-Windows PC in stores.” |
Oct 29 21:43 |
| twitter |
nice |
Oct 29 21:43 |
| schestowitz |
twitter: Your slalkers bark again. http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/29/mso… |
Oct 29 21:44 |
| twitter |
woof woof. Nothing of value was added. |
Oct 29 21:52 |
| twitter |
” None of this should suggest that Microsoft is in some death spiral.” No, not at all. Just 8 years without a successful main product launch and declining revenue. |
Oct 29 21:54 |
| twitter |
It’s like they read my Death Watch journal. |
Oct 29 21:54 |
| schestowitz |
“I’d be glad to help tilt lotus into into the death spiral. I could do it Friday afternoon but not Saturday. I could do it pretty much any time the following week.” –Brad Silverberg, Microsoft |
Oct 29 21:55 |
| twitter |
Here’s a couple of older HP articles announcing their intentions and reasoning. http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?… http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl… |
Oct 29 21:57 |
| twitter |
Gotta love the Vista Failure Log. |
Oct 29 21:57 |
| twitter |
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Oct 29 22:04 |
| schestowitz |
Quickie: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/10/29/h… |
Oct 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz |
This is old… HP CEO: Vista Never Had Its Moment in 2007 < http://advice.cio.com/laurianne_… > |
Oct 29 22:06 |
| twitter |
Yeah, I told you it was old. |
Oct 29 22:09 |
| twitter |
But they planned on doing something and now it’s here. What other HP news was there? |
Oct 29 22:10 |
| twitter |
ahhh, Ubuntu |
Oct 29 22:10 |
| twitter |
that’s nice. |
Oct 29 22:10 |
| twitter |
I broke my Konqueror. :’( need to start article submission again. |
Oct 29 22:12 |
| twitter |
but all of the links are right here. |
Oct 29 22:12 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/2334… ZOMG. With /open source/ tool? What does that have to do with the flaw? |
Oct 29 22:13 |
| twitter |
You have to be careful with oyster knives. They look dull but will go right through your thumb muscle if you slip. |
Oct 29 22:14 |
| schestowitz |
Swiss Army knives too. I was unfortunate to find out. |
Oct 29 22:16 |
| schestowitz |
No BlackBerry Open Source OS Confirmed by RIM < http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/10/29/… > |
Oct 29 22:17 |
| schestowitz |
Eating Microsoft’s lunch: http://www.insidehighered.com/news/200… “Meanwhile, although enterprise, license-based learning management platforms continue to dominate the higher education landscape (56.8 percent use Blackboard, down from 66.3 percent last year), the potential for increasing open source adoption remains. “ |
Oct 29 22:18 |
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Oct 29 22:24 |
| clonebot |
|
Oct 29 22:24 |
| clonebot |
gtg .. |
Oct 29 22:24 |
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Oct 29 22:24 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft warns of financial crisis email scams < http://news.zdnet.com/2424-9595_22-244756.html > |
Oct 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz |
Those scams arrive from Microsoft Windows botnets. |
Oct 29 22:41 |
| twitter |
HP news is off to the races http://slashdot.org/firehose.p… |
Oct 29 22:44 |
| twitter |
Botnets, M$’s unique contribution to distributed computing. |
Oct 29 22:45 |
| twitter |
Here’s something funny. http://uk.youtube.com/watch… |
Oct 29 22:50 |
| twitter |
I think I’ll make it the theme song of the M$ Death Watch. |
Oct 29 22:50 |
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Oct 29 22:50 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* |
Oct 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz |
Troling: Will the Motorola gamble hurt open source < http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3039 > |
Oct 29 22:56 |
| schestowitz |
Trolling with a provocative headline |
Oct 29 22:57 |
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Oct 29 23:16 |
| schestowitz |
Mandelson’s dept mulls UK internet power grab < http://www.theregister.co.u… >; DHS cybersecurity boss fights back against critics < http://www.theregister.co.uk/… > |
Oct 29 23:18 |
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Oct 29 23:18 |
| schestowitz |
Nice oh him…: “I can make. Roy is a good guy, he’s actually taking out the meat and lay it on the table.” < http://standardsandfreedom.net/in… > |
Oct 29 23:33 |
| MinceR |
gn |
Oct 29 23:34 |
| schestowitz |
Cheap Apple… Psystar planning Mac OS X notebook < http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=2460 > |
Oct 29 23:41 |
| schestowitz |
Fedora for OLPC being sold… Fedora 10 on SD Card for the OLPC Laptop < http://on-disk.com/product_info.ph… > |
Oct 29 23:42 |
| schestowitz |
Teenage cyber-criminals run riot < http://notnews.today.com/2008/10/28/teenag… <> |
Oct 29 23:45 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/10/28… “With all eyes on turbulent global financial markets, Britain’s Prince Charles has issued a stark warning about climate change.” |
Oct 29 23:57 |
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