03.12.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 11th, 2009 – Part 3
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| schestowitz | Ogg should be universally implemented | Mar 11 16:50 |
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| Balrog_ | see ‘patent licensing’ | Mar 11 16:50 |
| Balrog_ | what about those h.264 decoder chips? | Mar 11 16:50 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : that is the real solution | Mar 11 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Like WWW | Mar 11 16:50 |
| PetoKraus | it isn’t | Mar 11 16:50 |
| PetoKraus | the real solution is not find other way | Mar 11 16:50 |
| schestowitz | You don’t have “protected” HTML | Mar 11 16:50 |
| PetoKraus | the real solution is shut the patent system | Mar 11 16:51 |
| Eruaran | Oh this is nice | Mar 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | So your HTML-rendering mythical widgets don’t pay anyone | Mar 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | GIF is a separate issue | Mar 11 16:51 |
| Eruaran | KPackageKIt is integrated with KDE System Settings | Mar 11 16:51 |
| Eruaran | very nice | Mar 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: the patent system is already under sige | Mar 11 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, Philips and other parasites try to retain and expand it | Mar 11 16:51 |
| Eruaran | I’m getting some really neato updates here | Mar 11 16:52 |
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| Balrog_ | see http://yro.slashdot.org/article… | Mar 11 16:53 |
| Balrog_ | about h.264 | Mar 11 16:53 |
| Eruaran | Kubuntu finally has gorgeous package management | Mar 11 16:54 |
| Eruaran |  |
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| PetoKraus |  |
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| PetoKraus | i managed to get VNC working | Mar 11 16:54 |
| PetoKraus | i mean | Mar 11 16:54 |
| PetoKraus | from outside to my computer | Mar 11 16:54 |
| _Hicham_ | Eruaran : what is it ? | Mar 11 16:54 |
| Eruaran | _Hicham_: KPackageKit is now working on the Kubuntu 9.04 alpha, and its seamlessly integrated with System Settings | Mar 11 16:55 |
| Eruaran | A big step up for Kubuntu | Mar 11 16:56 |
| _Hicham_ | great | Mar 11 16:56 |
| _Hicham_ | i tried Kubuntu for once | Mar 11 16:56 |
| PetoKraus | i’m thinking of getting be to my flat | Mar 11 16:56 |
| _Hicham_ | Kubuntu 7.10, which uses Adept | Mar 11 16:56 |
| Eruaran | yes, Adept is gone now | Mar 11 16:57 |
| _Hicham_ | Adept was just crap compared to Synaptic | Mar 11 16:57 |
| Eruaran | I think Adept only ever had one guy working on it | Mar 11 16:57 |
| Eruaran | under resourced | Mar 11 16:58 |
| Eruaran | And he only kept working on it cause he’s friends with JRiddle | Mar 11 16:58 |
| Eruaran | this is schweet | Mar 11 16:59 |
| _Hicham_ | I didnt try KDE 4 yet | Mar 11 16:59 |
| balzac | I want package management which grabs source tar-balls, handles dependencies, and offers a chance to view and modify the code before compiling and installing. | Mar 11 17:00 |
| _Hicham_ | I should give a look at it | Mar 11 17:00 |
| Eruaran | I’m using 4.2.1 | Mar 11 17:00 |
| balzac | Maybe the package manager should be an emacs extension | Mar 11 17:00 |
| _Hicham_ | Balzac : an anjuta plugin | Mar 11 17:00 |
| balzac | users should be encouraged to mess with the source code | Mar 11 17:00 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: I haven’t tried that | Mar 11 17:01 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: users should also be able to suggest patches based on edits they’ve made which work for them. | Mar 11 17:02 |
| balzac | package management, version control, IDE, all in one system | Mar 11 17:02 |
| balzac | there shouldn’t be such well-defined boundaries between users and developers | Mar 11 17:03 |
| _Hicham_ | that won’t be easy for regular users | Mar 11 17:03 |
| balzac | well, it should not present all those features to newbies | Mar 11 17:03 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : not all people are computers pro | Mar 11 17:03 |
| balzac | but if they’re so inclined, it should be open to their interest and participation | Mar 11 17:04 |
| Eruaran | I see what youre getting at | Mar 11 17:04 |
| balzac | then user ratings for submitted patches | Mar 11 17:04 |
| balzac | make it game-like and inviting to help development efforts | Mar 11 17:04 |
| PetoKraus | BT is bloody retarded | Mar 11 17:04 |
| PetoKraus | this is second flat i’m going to live in | Mar 11 17:05 |
| Eruaran | BT ? Bluetooth ? | Mar 11 17:05 |
| PetoKraus | British Telecom | Mar 11 17:05 |
| Eruaran | ooh | Mar 11 17:05 |
| PetoKraus | and they want the £130 connection charge | Mar 11 17:05 |
| PetoKraus | for goodness sake | Mar 11 17:05 |
| Eruaran | ouch | Mar 11 17:05 |
| PetoKraus | that means i’ll have to move virgin media there | Mar 11 17:05 |
| PetoKraus | which is not really good either | Mar 11 17:05 |
| PetoKraus | since they SUCK | Mar 11 17:05 |
| Eruaran | Telstra sucks here | Mar 11 17:06 |
| PetoKraus | it’s retarded, honestly | Mar 11 17:09 |
| Eruaran | gtg sleep calls | Mar 11 17:12 |
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| _Hicham_ | I can’t remove Evolution from gnome completely | Mar 11 17:19 |
| _Hicham_ | i think that i should repackage some basic packages | Mar 11 17:19 |
| balzac | I’m getting tempted to remove gnome lately and get some fresh air | Mar 11 17:20 |
| balzac | I don’t want novell’s junk | Mar 11 17:20 |
| balzac | Maybe I can get by on a very light window manager. | Mar 11 17:20 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: try KDE4 when it comes with your next distro | Mar 11 17:20 |
| balzac | KDE and Gnome are both rather hefty and over-built | Mar 11 17:21 |
| PetoKraus | then there’s the most stable pre-alpha software you can get | Mar 11 17:21 |
| PetoKraus | (E17) | Mar 11 17:21 |
| PetoKraus | and openbox can be VERY nice as well | Mar 11 17:21 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: BT is laying off | Mar 11 17:22 |
| schestowitz | It was in The Register today | Mar 11 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Virgin sucks too | Mar 11 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Try modem |
Mar 11 17:22 |
| schestowitz | 28kbit | Mar 11 17:22 |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Mar 11 17:23 |
| PetoKraus | i was thinking 3 mobile | Mar 11 17:23 |
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| PetoKraus | but i do > 15GB a month | Mar 11 17:24 |
| _Hicham_ | Gnome and KDE are both great | Mar 11 17:24 |
| _Hicham_ | but compiz is more designed for gnome | Mar 11 17:24 |
| balzac | I would install gnome with compiz on a gnu/linux newbie’s computer to keep them entertained | Mar 11 17:25 |
| balzac | but I don’t need compiz and I may not even be benefitting from gnome, all things considered | Mar 11 17:25 |
| balzac | I’m looking at the lighter window managers | Mar 11 17:25 |
| Balrog_ | xfce | Mar 11 17:25 |
| Balrog_ | or ldxe | Mar 11 17:25 |
| Balrog_ | lxde * | Mar 11 17:26 |
| balzac | Balrog_: once you’re looking at the lighter ones, there are so many more choices | Mar 11 17:26 |
| Balrog_ | those are the two most popular | Mar 11 17:26 |
| _Hicham_ | xfce and lxde? | Mar 11 17:26 |
| Balrog_ | yeah | Mar 11 17:26 |
| Balrog_ | I use xfce | Mar 11 17:26 |
| balzac | I just found out how to make emacs much faster for editing files on my server | Mar 11 17:26 |
| balzac | sshfs | Mar 11 17:26 |
| Balrog_ | heh | Mar 11 17:26 |
| Balrog_ | just ssh into the server and use vim/emacs there | Mar 11 17:27 |
| balzac | i was using tramp with serious latency issues | Mar 11 17:27 |
| Balrog_ | I use vim here | Mar 11 17:27 |
| Balrog_ | :/ | Mar 11 17:27 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : xfce and lxde are for old computers, no? | Mar 11 17:27 |
| balzac | Balrog_: I do but I still like my local emacs running | Mar 11 17:27 |
| _Hicham_ | they both rely on GTK | Mar 11 17:27 |
| balzac | I’m not sure if I’m interested in GTK | Mar 11 17:28 |
| Balrog_ | hm :/ | Mar 11 17:28 |
| Balrog_ | they work well though | Mar 11 17:28 |
| balzac | I don’t like gnome terminal because of the anti-aliasing of text | Mar 11 17:28 |
| _Hicham_ | Balzac : have u ever done some programming in GTK? | Mar 11 17:28 |
| balzac | I use xterm instead | Mar 11 17:28 |
| Balrog_ | and they don’t use mono | Mar 11 17:28 |
| Balrog_ | I use heavy mac-style font rendering |
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| balzac | _Hicham_: I haven’t done any C programming, only web development | Mar 11 17:29 |
| Balrog_ | easier on my eyes, I think | Mar 11 17:29 |
| balzac | I think the handling of rich media would suffer if I abandoned gnome | Mar 11 17:29 |
| Balrog_ | kde does fine though | Mar 11 17:30 |
| Balrog_ | with Qt | Mar 11 17:30 |
| PetoKraus | gnome-terminal is actually quite nice | Mar 11 17:30 |
| PetoKraus | i was long-time user of xfce-terminal | Mar 11 17:30 |
| balzac | I like xterm better | Mar 11 17:30 |
| PetoKraus | no tabs kill it for me | Mar 11 17:30 |
| Balrog_ | xfce-terminal is good, except for the backspace key mess | Mar 11 17:30 |
| _Hicham_ | Balzac : there is phpGTK | Mar 11 17:30 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: interesting | Mar 11 17:31 |
| balzac | I’m committed to learning PHP and Python over the long term | Mar 11 17:31 |
| balzac | I use php every day, but the php mode nxhtml emacs extension is a little buggy | Mar 11 17:32 |
| Balrog_ | php, not ASP.NET =) | Mar 11 17:32 |
| balzac | actually, it’s better than ever since I went to the latest version | Mar 11 17:32 |
| balzac | My installation of Jaunty came without gnome-wm running by default | Mar 11 17:34 |
| schestowitz | balzac: get Mandriva 2008.1 | Mar 11 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Compiz with KDE out of the box | Mar 11 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Get Spring+KDE | Mar 11 17:37 |
| balzac | schestowitz: I’ll have to try it on another computer | Mar 11 17:37 |
| balzac | I was hoping to buy some Asus eees or dell minis and start to sell them | Mar 11 17:38 |
| schestowitz | balzac: Microsoft to build an ‘Emacs.Net’ text editor < http://blogs.zdnet.com/micro… > | Mar 11 17:38 |
| balzac | ick | Mar 11 17:39 |
| balzac | If Bill Gates is ready to offer an olive branch to RMS and admit, RMS is the man, I’ll start looking at MS-sponsored open source stuff. | Mar 11 17:39 |
| balzac | I’ve never even looked at .net, C#, silverlight, mono, Microsoft Public License, etc, just because of who makes it. | Mar 11 17:40 |
| balzac | Microsoft is getting more and more touchy-feely with FOSS lately as their business suffers | Mar 11 17:42 |
| balzac | It’s a slow cultural change happening at M$, but I see it happening. | Mar 11 17:43 |
| balzac | I read speculation about M$ using webkit for the next IE, but I dismissed it | Mar 11 17:49 |
| balzac | the same article suggested they’d use something of their own called Gazelle and they were just putting on a show of considering webkit | Mar 11 17:49 |
| balzac | webkit is lgpl-licensed and MS hates all gnu-branded things, so I don’t think they’ll use webkit | Mar 11 17:50 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : ms won’t abandon trident | Mar 11 17:50 |
| balzac | I hope they stick with their junky technology. I have a business plan based partly on their decline. | Mar 11 17:51 |
| balzac | If Gates were smart, he’d do a mea culpa and admit he was horribly wrong about the GNU GPL and Free Software | Mar 11 17:51 |
| balzac | but he’s got too much ego invested in his dumb ideology and craptastic software | Mar 11 17:52 |
| balzac | what happened? | Mar 11 17:58 |
| balzac | did I kill the discussion by flooding it? | Mar 11 17:58 |
| _Hicham_ | no | Mar 11 17:58 |
| _Hicham_ | you are not flooding | Mar 11 17:58 |
| balzac | I’m sipping a 5-hour caffeine drink so I’m overly chatty | Mar 11 17:58 |
| _Hicham_ | I like chatty people | Mar 11 17:59 |
| _Hicham_ | Billy can’t change everything like that | Mar 11 17:59 |
| _Hicham_ | Windows Development is very heavy | Mar 11 17:59 |
| _Hicham_ | with all the legacy apps | Mar 11 17:59 |
| _Hicham_ | they must stay compatible | Mar 11 18:00 |
| _Hicham_ | to not lose the market | Mar 11 18:00 |
| _Hicham_ | Vista have had a bad name for that | Mar 11 18:00 |
| _Hicham_ | Microsoft can’t keep compatibility for their dlls | Mar 11 18:01 |
| _Hicham_ | especially the MFC one | Mar 11 18:01 |
| _Hicham_ | that is why they invite programmers to port their apps to .NET | Mar 11 18:01 |
| _Hicham_ | but all programmers that not all apps can be ported to .NET | Mar 11 18:01 |
| _Hicham_ | and MS itself still have MFC as a reason for buying MSVC, one of their best sellers | Mar 11 18:02 |
| _Hicham_ | not balzac is not chatty anymore | Mar 11 18:03 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : can u talk to us about ur plan? | Mar 11 18:03 |
| balzac | sure | Mar 11 18:04 |
| balzac | first I have to make my web dev/consulting business successful | Mar 11 18:04 |
| balzac | than do like Roy with the frontal attack on microsoft | Mar 11 18:05 |
| balzac | while I’m shamelessly promoting my company’s consulting services, brokering software deals to replace proprietary software with Redhat and Ubuntu | Mar 11 18:06 |
| balzac | and make some serious coin | Mar 11 18:06 |
| balzac | With NY financial services companies being the primary arena for business development | Mar 11 18:06 |
| _Hicham_ | how is ur business going right now? | Mar 11 18:09 |
| balzac | not great | Mar 11 18:09 |
| balzac | but I’m optimistic | Mar 11 18:10 |
| balzac | I have yet to incorporate | Mar 11 18:10 |
| balzac | after I incorporate, i’m also going to register as a government contractor | Mar 11 18:10 |
| schestowitz | This one took a while to do: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Bruce_Peren… | Mar 11 18:11 |
| schestowitz | balzac: you’ll have more business when MSFT heralds Ch11. | Mar 11 18:12 |
| schestowitz | brb | Mar 11 18:13 |
| balzac | dugg | Mar 11 18:18 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : who has created this blog : http://linuxidiots.blogspot…? | Mar 11 18:22 |
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| _Hicham_ | it must a novell worker | Mar 11 18:22 |
| _Hicham_ | no? | Mar 11 18:22 |
| tessier_ | So we have a custom CentOS distro here which we boot on our servers. The boot menu has a timeout of 60 seconds after which it takes a default config and installs onto sda. A developer burned a new version of this distro on his Windows desktop and left it in the CD ROM burner overnight. Microsoft decides they are going to force a patch upon him and reboot the computer overnight. His computer is set to boot the CD ROM by default. | Mar 11 18:23 |
| tessier_ | Hilarity ensues. | Mar 11 18:23 |
| balzac | heheh | Mar 11 18:24 |
| tessier_ | So I guess yesterday was patch Tuesday. I’m normally not aware of such things. | Mar 11 18:24 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : there is a lot of talk about u | Mar 11 18:24 |
| balzac | that’s hilarious tessier_ | Mar 11 18:24 |
| trmanco | back | Mar 11 18:24 |
| trmanco | long day today, social day | Mar 11 18:24 |
| _Hicham_ | wb trmanco | Mar 11 18:25 |
| trmanco | thanks | Mar 11 18:25 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Microsoft Munckins | Mar 11 18:25 |
| schestowitz | The whole ‘blog’ is just an attack on Linux advocates | Mar 11 18:25 |
| _Hicham_ | it is funny though how they react to u | Mar 11 18:26 |
| tessier_ | “Roy Schestowitz is a career college student at some liberal artsy university.” | Mar 11 18:26 |
| tessier_ | We don’t go for no book learnin’ ’round here. | Mar 11 18:26 |
| Balrog_ | heh … though the head of the OSI commented… | Mar 11 18:26 |
| trmanco | I had a discussion with some of my friends about the Gcompris fiasco | Mar 11 18:33 |
| trmanco | they were not well informed, the stuff that the TV spread are lies, lies and damn lies | Mar 11 18:33 |
| schestowitz | What did the TC say? | Mar 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | *TV | Mar 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: did you see my post about Portugal? | Mar 11 18:34 |
| trmanco | yes | Mar 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft paid some shills to manufacture lies | Mar 11 18:34 |
| schestowitz | I linked to it at the end. | Mar 11 18:34 |
| trmanco | check identi.ca | Mar 11 18:34 |
| trmanco | the PR stuff is sic | Mar 11 18:35 |
| trmanco | idiots, polluting twitter with lies and disinformation | Mar 11 18:35 |
| trmanco | “they “should be arrested | Mar 11 18:35 |
| trmanco | she also reacted like that because of the vortalgate thing | Mar 11 18:35 |
| trmanco | it’s like “payback time” | Mar 11 18:36 |
| trmanco | payback time my ass | Mar 11 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | They have AstroTurfs | Mar 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | That’s not new | Mar 11 18:36 |
| schestowitz | In the EU I think it’s illegal | Mar 11 18:36 |
| trmanco | I need to confirm that | Mar 11 18:37 |
| schestowitz | If they pretend to be recommending something but are actually agents | Mar 11 18:37 |
| trmanco | I think it is, but people are afraid to go against a monster like Msoft | Mar 11 18:37 |
| trmanco | not much of a monster now | Mar 11 18:37 |
| trmanco | but it was back in 200 or something, but people are not well informed… lots a people think that Msoft is still to big, and are the good guys | Mar 11 18:38 |
| trmanco | 2000* | Mar 11 18:38 |
| schestowitz | So no action against them? | Mar 11 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Is Barrasso (spelling) from Portugal? | Mar 11 18:42 |
| trmanco | against them no, remember Portugal is a Msoft fanboy, they even say that this company is the best to work in | Mar 11 18:44 |
| trmanco | IMO, companies like Sonae are way better to invest in | Mar 11 18:45 |
| trmanco | not microsoft, they are giving money away to the states like this, damn | Mar 11 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Another Novell: “Holbrook golf coach Del Novell has a large group of golfers on the team this year,” http://www.azjournal.com/news/127/ARTICL… There’s also a jeweler called Novell and a British company called Microvell | Mar 11 18:46 |
| trmanco | the portuguese gonvernment should invest in national companies, not foreign companies, c’mon | Mar 11 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 11 18:46 |
| trmanco | this is why portugal can’t stand out of an economical crysis | Mar 11 18:46 |
| schestowitz | But it also invests in criminals | Mar 11 18:46 |
| schestowitz | But it shows only the PR | Mar 11 18:46 |
| schestowitz | it accentuates the good, not the rest | Mar 11 18:46 |
| trmanco | since I’m hear, it has always been in economical crisis | Mar 11 18:46 |
| schestowitz | It indicates that they may ‘bought’ | Mar 11 18:47 |
| trmanco | I think I misspelled something… | Mar 11 18:47 |
| schestowitz | crysis | Mar 11 18:47 |
| schestowitz | The game.. | Mar 11 18:47 |
| trmanco | they show only the good PR | Mar 11 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Mar 11 18:47 |
| trmanco | yeah, I played it | Mar 11 18:47 |
| schestowitz | It shows agenda | Mar 11 18:47 |
| trmanco | on my crappy computer | Mar 11 18:47 |
| schestowitz | People who love Microsoft will only shows the “saving puppy” bit | Mar 11 18:48 |
| trmanco | yeah | Mar 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft do the BS for the cameras.. PE | Mar 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | To fuel the propaganda to favour them | Mar 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | A crime is a crime | Mar 11 18:48 |
| trmanco | they control the portuguese media | Mar 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Mar 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Not just Portuguese | Mar 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Same in Brazil I hear | Mar 11 18:48 |
| trmanco | it goes from television, to internet newspapers and magazines | Mar 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | They literally own it | Mar 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | put money in it | Mar 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | And media controls minds | Mar 11 18:48 |
| schestowitz | It seeds (dis)information | Mar 11 18:49 |
| trmanco | I stopped watching TV because it’s a waste of time | Mar 11 18:49 |
| trmanco | ms, ms, ms windblow vispa | Mar 11 18:49 |
| trmanco | if it crashes it your fault not microsoft’s fault because their software is perfect, you know | Mar 11 18:49 |
| trmanco | even today, my colleges has to “present” some programming work at school, and they couldn’t even compile the stupid program because visual studio had some linking problems, good thing my presentation was based on the good’old chalk board | Mar 11 18:51 |
| trmanco | had* | Mar 11 18:51 |
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| balzac | wow, that’s a real smear site | Mar 11 18:53 |
| trmanco | I would probably win if I placed a bet ,that GCC could compile their code without any hiccups… but had no time, nor GNU/Linux based computer | Mar 11 18:53 |
| *trmanco brb | Mar 11 18:54 | |
| balzac | http://linuxidiots.blogsp… <– check out the front page to see an anti-gay smear | Mar 11 18:54 |
| balzac | http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/2007… <– for the sake of the channel log, a permanent url | Mar 11 18:56 |
| balzac | the sites author gets very preachy about Roy, but then he goes gay-bashing this other guy | Mar 11 18:57 |
| balzac | That is some serious sleazy gay-bashing about marti-what’s-his-name. If this is what Microsoft defenders resort to, that’s seriously bad. | Mar 11 18:58 |
| trmanco | that guy is on cola | Mar 11 19:02 |
| trmanco | a good linux advocate | Mar 11 19:02 |
| balzac | I might be annoyed if someone wants to talk details about their sex-life in a technical forum (if that is true), but I’m not going to discriminate on their sexual orientation. | Mar 11 19:06 |
| schestowitz | You don’t know the MS Munckins, do you? |
Mar 11 19:07 |
| schestowitz | This is how they drive away people | Mar 11 19:07 |
| schestowitz | They libel people — me included — so as to scare potential contributors | Mar 11 19:07 |
| schestowitz | They also spout out racist and homophobic remarks to repel people | Mar 11 19:07 |
| schestowitz | The goal is to totally trash the forums | Mar 11 19:07 |
| balzac | that’s brown-shirt style | Mar 11 19:07 |
| balzac | And I bet they do it all from the cover of anonymity | Mar 11 19:08 |
| *balzac is now known as paulgaskin | Mar 11 19:08 | |
| *paulgaskin is now known as balzac | Mar 11 19:08 | |
| schestowitz | Yes, zombies | Mar 11 19:09 |
| schestowitz | and honeypots | Mar 11 19:09 |
| balzac | I’d say they can kiss my balls, but it’s actually not on the menu | Mar 11 19:09 |
| schestowitz | That’s Microsoft corporation, where business is crime and crime is business. And PR is the public presence. | Mar 11 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft ‘helps’ disabled people and Elevate[s] America[tm] | Mar 11 19:10 |
| balzac | any company with enough authoritarianism and money attracts all manner of sleaze-bags who will try to intimidate others to gain favor | Mar 11 19:12 |
| balzac | Microsoft is not unique in that regard, it’s just mega-corporate culture | Mar 11 19:12 |
| balzac | But I bet Google’s corporate culture is not as nasty | Mar 11 19:13 |
| balzac | Google doesn’t have anyone like Ballmer who runs around screaming and sweating for an hour | Mar 11 19:14 |
| balzac | I think Microsoft should hire Jim Cramer – he could hang with Steve Ballmer | Mar 11 19:14 |
| balzac | actually, they’re already affiliated via MSNBC | Mar 11 19:14 |
| balzac | I mean Cramer and Ballmer, not Google | Mar 11 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Google AstroTurfs also | Mar 11 19:21 |
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| schestowitz | Last month: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/200… | Mar 11 19:23 |
| balzac | once a company is big enough to be publicly traded, they engage in astro-turfing | Mar 11 19:28 |
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| schestowitz | They should have people arrested | Mar 11 19:38 |
| schestowitz | But the system is run by large companies, not regulators (whom *they* appoint anyway) | Mar 11 19:39 |
| schestowitz | It’s funny seeing watchdogs dethroned or ‘redone’ by the corporations. Kind of like ISO…. | Mar 11 19:39 |
| balzac | tolerance for this is going to be diminishing | Mar 11 19:44 |
| balzac | the corporapists (as I call them) have acted with such a profoundly anti-social agenda, they’re begging to have their asses handed to them | Mar 11 19:45 |
| balzac | I think Eric Holder from the DOJ is going to be quite serious as Attorney General | Mar 11 19:46 |
| balzac | And John Conyers from the Judiciary Committee is quite pissed as well. He took a lot of verbal abuse from bloggers who demanded enforcement of subpoenas | Mar 11 19:47 |
| balzac | if these two guys don’t start enforcing federal law on the corporations, Obama will be considered a joker | Mar 11 19:47 |
| balzac | Kucinich wasn’t kidding about restoring the rule of law | Mar 11 19:48 |
| balzac | if Obama does not restore and enforce the rule of law and the constitution, lots of people will say “too bad we didn’t get kucinich”. | Mar 11 19:49 |
| schestowitz | OBAMAA | Mar 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Biden is the worrying part | Mar 11 19:50 |
| balzac | If Obama doesn’t deliver the goods, he can be compared unfavorably to another leader who has proven himself: Hugo Chavez. | Mar 11 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Friend and ally of MAFIAA (MPAA/RIAA) | Mar 11 19:51 |
| balzac | Biden with his hair plugs can just mind his own business. | Mar 11 19:51 |
| schestowitz | balzac: Hugo Chavez breaks US law | Mar 11 19:51 |
| balzac | good | Mar 11 19:51 |
| schestowitz | He doesn’t permit colonialism |
Mar 11 19:51 |
| schestowitz | He must be overthrow with a coop | Mar 11 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Hush-hush, just don’t show the US is driving it | Mar 11 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Wasn’t it Biden who called him “a dictator”? | Mar 11 19:52 |
| schestowitz | I reckon the Democrats too want him out | Mar 11 19:52 |
| schestowitz | He serves his people, not making it a ‘client state’ | Mar 11 19:52 |
| schestowitz | BIAADEN | Mar 11 19:53 |
| balzac | Biden is full of crap | Mar 11 19:54 |
| balzac | He still needs to do a mea culpa and flog himself with a cat-o-nine-tails in the public square for his vote on Iraq. | Mar 11 19:54 |
| balzac | Then maybe he can grow out his hair and wear a tie-dye every friday as penance | Mar 11 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Would Kucinich have put Erik, George and Dick in prison for increasing risk of terrorism (seven-fold)? | Mar 11 19:58 |
| balzac | yes | Mar 11 19:58 |
| balzac | He was the only guy serious about impeachment | Mar 11 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Here’s a report who uses the word “cracker”, as he should: Chinese crackers create counterfeit iTunes racket < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… > | Mar 11 20:01 |
| schestowitz | balzac: so I guess the media of Murdoch didn’t like him enough | Mar 11 20:01 |
| schestowitz | If the media does not like you (interests don’t align), then you can’t run | Mar 11 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Have IT vendors been hit harder than IT departments? < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2… > | Mar 11 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Man ruins nature quicker than estimated: Coral Reefs May Start Dissolving When Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Doubles < http://www.sciencedaily.com/rel… > | Mar 11 20:04 |
| schestowitz | UK filters in the Wikpedia amendments < http://www.iptegrity.com/index.php?op… > | Mar 11 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Why do they call me “Roya Schestowitza” here? http://osnews.pl/czechy-lobbuj… | Mar 11 20:07 |
| PetoKraus | because it’s genitiv | Mar 11 20:07 |
| balzac | that’s od | Mar 11 20:07 |
| balzac | odd | Mar 11 20:07 |
| balzac | you’re getting some blog-coveraeg | Mar 11 20:08 |
| PetoKraus | nominativ – Roy, genitiv – Roya, dativ – Royovi, akusativ – Roya, lokal – Royovi, instrumental – Royom | Mar 11 20:10 |
| PetoKraus | it took me a while to remember my own grammar | Mar 11 20:10 |
| PetoKraus | though it may be different in polish | Mar 11 20:10 |
| PetoKraus | but yes, we use all of those. | Mar 11 20:10 |
| schestowitz | USA: Hillary Clinton and Michel Obama to present the award of courage to Mutabar Tajibaeva < http://enews.ferghana.ru/news.ph… > | Mar 11 20:13 |
| schestowitz | How much do the Obamas charge for ‘breakfast’ with Michelle these days? | Mar 11 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Any more than $20k like they charged Microsoft’s legalised crooks? | Mar 11 20:14 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: thanks., | Mar 11 20:14 |
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| tacone1 | Slightly OT, anyone wants to laugh ? | Mar 11 20:17 |
| PetoKraus | sure | Mar 11 20:17 |
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| PetoKraus | i’ve got a nice story as wel | Mar 11 20:18 |
| PetoKraus | *well | Mar 11 20:18 |
| PetoKraus | mildly offending, but hey | Mar 11 20:18 |
| tacone1 | http://www.chessvibes.com/columns/copy… | Mar 11 20:18 |
| tacone1 | attempt to copyright chess moves. | Mar 11 20:18 |
| tacone1 | sequences of chess moves. | Mar 11 20:18 |
| PetoKraus | you have to be joking | Mar 11 20:18 |
| tacone1 | i never joke | Mar 11 20:18 |
| tacone1 | read  |
Mar 11 20:18 |
| tacone1 | I warned it was something ridiculous. | Mar 11 20:19 |
| PetoKraus | oh god oh god | Mar 11 20:19 |
| PetoKraus | where’s the sawn-off | Mar 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | tacone1: got it yesterday | Mar 11 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Posted it to BN this morning | Mar 11 20:19 |
| tacone1 | schestowitz: i got it from digg, probably from one BN reader | Mar 11 20:20 |
| tacone1 | already posted ? wow | Mar 11 20:20 |
| schestowitz | I found it in TechDirt | Mar 11 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Reciting old myths: “The new version of the BlueStripe software adds support for Linux environments, which given the nature of open source tend to be a little more chaotic than Windows environments.” | Mar 11 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | From http://blogs.eweek.com/masked_intentio… That’s funny, I never need support. A lot of “support” is needed for platforms with worms and viruses and blobs | Mar 11 20:24 |
| tacone1 | another ridicolous thing, an italian politician (which is also showgirl) proposed a law anti-pedophily (which is already forbidden here). but the law wasn’t anti-pedophily, was anti-anonymity. turned out that the author of the word document (clicking on properties) is the head of an italian society who works for the content industry. | Mar 11 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. | Mar 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Any link to that? | Mar 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | ACTA is said to be similar | Mar 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | The MAFIAA passing on a ‘wishlist’ for corruptible politicians who are in their pockets to secretly approved | Mar 11 20:28 |
| tacone | i’ll write a post, everything else is Italian | Mar 11 20:28 |
| trmanco | http://blogs.fsfe.org/fellowship… | Mar 11 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: thanks. | Mar 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a wonderful smoking gun showing that “war on pedophelia” is fake, just like “War on terrorism” | Mar 11 20:33 |
| schestowitz | They sit down and think how to control content or world’s oil resources and then create some fake clash | Mar 11 20:34 |
| tacone | well, in Italy nobody cares so much about that. They try to do stuff like that almost every day. Just usually on non-tech matters | Mar 11 20:34 |
| schestowitz | What stuff? I don’t quite follow. | Mar 11 20:34 |
| tacone | presenting an anti-this law which hides some trick to allow/forbid other thing. | Mar 11 20:35 |
| schestowitz | The lackey journalist are a _major_ issue. They pass the propaganda as news (“piracy”, BSA stuff, fake numbers, WoMD, ‘experts’) | Mar 11 20:35 |
| tacone | btw I am in france right now, and every day TV’s News talks about the new anti piracy law. | Mar 11 20:35 |
| schestowitz | They show picture of real pirates in boats? | Mar 11 20:36 |
| tacone | no. they show fancy graphs of three lcd’s connected with a giant ‘IP’ wrote on them | Mar 11 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Controlled media and ban on decentralisation is all they have left | Mar 11 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise society might become a democracy | Mar 11 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Democracy is bad in the eyes of politicians | Mar 11 20:37 |
| schestowitz | They must be in control, along with their funding sources (e.g. copyrights cartel) | Mar 11 20:37 |
| tacone | politicians are the waiters of bankers | Mar 11 20:37 |
| tacone | lol | Mar 11 20:37 |
| tacone | but since democracy is legalized, they have to fight it back costantly | Mar 11 20:38 |
| tacone | the price of dictature is costant vigilancy |
Mar 11 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Mar 11 20:40 |
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| PeterFA | I this affiliated with the Boycott Novell website/blog? | Mar 11 20:41 |
| balzac | yes | Mar 11 20:42 |
| PeterFA | The authors hang out in this channel? | Mar 11 20:43 |
| balzac | PeterFA: this is the official chatroom of the famous blog | Mar 11 20:43 |
| balzac | Roy is here | Mar 11 20:43 |
| balzac | welcome | Mar 11 20:43 |
| PeterFA | I like the blog. | Mar 11 20:43 |
| balzac | please share opinions favorable or unfavorable without hesitation | Mar 11 20:44 |
| PeterFA | Microsoft is one sketchy company, and any moron can see through Novell’s stupid tactics |
Mar 11 20:44 |
| balzac | they are weasels | Mar 11 20:44 |
| balzac | and they can’t stand freedom | Mar 11 20:44 |
| balzac | Freedom hatin’ weasels, I’d call me. | Mar 11 20:45 |
| balzac | call em. | Mar 11 20:45 |
| balzac | FYI, I call them “Bush’s un-dead talking points” when I use his rhetorical style. | Mar 11 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Hey, PeterFA | Mar 11 20:47 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, hi. | Mar 11 20:47 |
| PeterFA | I don’t know why the judge awarded Novell the ownership of the property that SCO insisted they had. | Mar 11 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Didn’t they own it | Mar 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | ? | Mar 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | It’s not over either way | Mar 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | I’ll do a post about SCO in the weekend | Mar 11 20:48 |
| schestowitz | There’s also one about Hovo Sapian coming. | Mar 11 20:48 |
| balzac | that’s a pretty funny take on his name | Mar 11 20:49 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, so, SCO claimed Novell’s property was their own and started to sue everyone who used Linux? | Mar 11 20:49 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, are you one of the authors of boycottnovell.com? | Mar 11 20:49 |
| tacone | PeterFA: look to the authors in the site’s sidebar | Mar 11 20:50 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, ah, so you are. | Mar 11 20:51 |
| PeterFA | Nice to meet you, schestowitz. | Mar 11 20:51 |
| PeterFA | And to comment on the picture on that blog post that appears when you visit the current version of the website today, yeah, the Mono project is bad. | Mar 11 20:52 |
| schestowitz | It’s a Novell project | Mar 11 20:53 |
| PeterFA | I know. | Mar 11 20:53 |
| schestowitz | They pretend it’s community | Mar 11 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Some of the prople on the project work for Microsoft | Mar 11 20:54 |
| schestowitz | It figures. | Mar 11 20:54 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, how can I affirm the authenticity of leaked emails? | Mar 11 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Which ones? | Mar 11 20:54 |
| PeterFA | I read a few blogs about leaked emails that pretty much condemn Microsoft. | Mar 11 20:54 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, I don’t remember. | Mar 11 20:54 |
| schestowitz | You can go to the source with wget logs | Mar 11 20:54 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, I remember a blog that was interesting, but I wondered how to authenticate emails. | Mar 11 20:54 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, how? | Mar 11 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I can look it up at the original. | Mar 11 20:55 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, oh, and what operating system do you use? | Mar 11 20:55 |
| schestowitz | edge-op | Mar 11 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva] | Mar 11 20:55 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, ah. | Mar 11 20:55 |
| PeterFA | How do emails leak? | Mar 11 20:55 |
| schestowitz | They don’t leak | Mar 11 20:56 |
| schestowitz | There is a subpoena | Mar 11 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Lawyers collect evidence | Mar 11 20:56 |
| schestowitz | After crimes | Mar 11 20:56 |
| schestowitz | This time around the guy who sued or his lawyers put copies online | Mar 11 20:57 |
| schestowitz | So some people grabbed copies before Microsoft paid many millions (hundreds maybe) to make it vanish | Mar 11 20:57 |
| PeterFA | Oh. | Mar 11 20:57 |
| schestowitz | I have another 8000 or so exhibits to look at | Mar 11 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Hundreds to cover | Mar 11 20:57 |
| PeterFA | So, sue Microsoft, get emails, make copies freely available, accept bribe. | Mar 11 20:58 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki has a sample here: http://meandubuntu.wordpress.c… | Mar 11 20:58 |
| PeterFA | |
Mar 11 20:58 |
| schestowitz | He read through them | Mar 11 20:58 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: yes, pretty much | Mar 11 20:58 |
| schestowitz | They need to be sued again | Mar 11 20:58 |
| schestowitz | They bribe their way out of justice | Mar 11 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Time. After. Time. | Mar 11 20:59 |
| schestowitz | The bribe is euphemistically called “settlement” | Mar 11 20:59 |
| schestowitz | They pretend it’s the punishment for the crime, which it isn’t | Mar 11 20:59 |
| schestowitz | They also bribed an employee of theirs for blowing the weasel on financial fraud at Microsoft | Mar 11 21:00 |
| PeterFA | Are their official public logs of these trials? | Mar 11 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 11 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Some of them | Mar 11 21:00 |
| schestowitz | But they ended the trial fast | Mar 11 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Paid lots of money | Mar 11 21:00 |
| schestowitz | IOW, they obstruct justice using money | Mar 11 21:00 |
| PeterFA | I have heard of that. The Lindows project changed its name because Microsoft was losing since Windows is a tad general. | Mar 11 21:00 |
| PeterFA | If Lindows one, that would severely hurt Microsoft’s hold on the names. | Mar 11 21:01 |
| PeterFA | Because then I’d be able to make my own Windows 2000 |
Mar 11 21:01 |
| PeterFA | Or Windows Vista. | Mar 11 21:01 |
| *PeterFA hurredly repackages Kubuntu. | Mar 11 21:02 | |
| schestowitz | |
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| PeterFA | I’m making a website called Linux-starter.com which is aimed toward users who have interest in using Linux but are not nerds. | Mar 11 21:03 |
| PeterFA | It teaches them how to get going with Linux. | Mar 11 21:03 |
| PeterFA | I chose Linux Mint. | Mar 11 21:03 |
| tacone | plenty of those. | Mar 11 21:03 |
| tacone | make a website to teach corporations to play fair | Mar 11 21:03 |
| PeterFA | I’m trying not to trash talk Microsoft at all. | Mar 11 21:04 |
| PeterFA | Oh yeah, I heard Microsoft owns a lot of Apple stock |
Mar 11 21:08 |
| schestowitz | tacone: +1 | Mar 11 21:08 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: yes, Apple helps Microsoft, too | Mar 11 21:08 |
| PeterFA | How? | Mar 11 21:09 |
| schestowitz | They are ‘frienemies’ (I hate this word) | Mar 11 21:09 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: OOXML, fonts, etc. | Mar 11 21:09 |
| PeterFA | I thought OOXML was entirely Microsoft. What does Apple have to do with it? | Mar 11 21:10 |
| tacone | buff | Mar 11 21:12 |
| tacone | duopoly is worst than monopoly | Mar 11 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. http://www.guiasinformaticas.es… | Mar 11 21:12 |
| tacone | creates the illuson of choice | Mar 11 21:12 |
| schestowitz | He used the picture that I found | Mar 11 21:12 |
| tacone | like republicans and democrats | Mar 11 21:12 |
| tacone | and so on. | Mar 11 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Yes, exactly. | Mar 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Apple and Microsoft… competitng for the same party | Mar 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Apple, Microsoft= faction | Mar 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | party=MPAA/RIAA/etc | Mar 11 21:13 |
| tacone | in italy, when fascism fell, a secret society was created. called p2 | Mar 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Party owns the factions | Mar 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | It’s like US elections | Mar 11 21:13 |
| tacone | their manifesto had many points (like media control etc) | Mar 11 21:13 |
| tacone | one of the points was to kill all parties and form only 2 big ones. | Mar 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Select either one, but you’ll get DRM and blobs and kill switches anyway | Mar 11 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Mac or PC… gimme a break |
Mar 11 21:14 |
| PeterFA | How does Google play into the drama? | Mar 11 21:14 |
| tacone | (and they finally did. italy has only 2 parties. and the premier is an ex-adept of the society) lol | Mar 11 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Not sure | Mar 11 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Google is in another area | Mar 11 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Web and SaaS | Mar 11 21:14 |
| PeterFA | So far they’re looking good. | Mar 11 21:14 |
| PeterFA | To me, at lest. | Mar 11 21:14 |
| PeterFA | least* | Mar 11 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Oh, cool. We made front page: http://softlibre.barrapunto.com… | Mar 11 21:15 |
| PeterFA | Google is not entirely untouchy with the desktop worl. | Mar 11 21:16 |
| PeterFA | world* | Mar 11 21:16 |
| PeterFA | Only company to make any recognizable effort to embrace Open Source that did not start out that way. | Mar 11 21:16 |
| PeterFA | RH has done a good job, but they were Open Source from the get-go. | Mar 11 21:17 |
| PeterFA | They don’t count |
Mar 11 21:17 |
| tacone | google for now just seems to ignore things they don’t want to spread (like AGPL) but i didn’t see anything really evil from them since now | Mar 11 21:17 |
| MinceR | they do a lot of evil | Mar 11 21:19 |
| tessier_ | What is AGPL? How is it different from GPL? | Mar 11 21:19 |
| tessier_ | Does FSF support AGPL? | Mar 11 21:19 |
| MinceR | yes, they do | Mar 11 21:19 |
| tessier_ | I’m not convinced that google does a lot of evil | Mar 11 21:19 |
| tessier_ | But let’s talk about AGPL first. |
Mar 11 21:19 |
| tessier_ | What’s the difference between AGPL and GPL? | Mar 11 21:20 |
| tessier_ | Why would google be ok with GPL but not AGPL? | Mar 11 21:20 |
| tacone | i’ve learned that it’s always preferable someone that does evil in secret than someone how does evil and make everyone know. | Mar 11 21:20 |
| PeterFA | tacone, hmm, got a good point. | Mar 11 21:20 |
| tacone | tessier_: first read some wikipedia or something about agpl | Mar 11 21:20 |
| MinceR | AGPL requires any derivative of a webapp to offer the option to download the source code | Mar 11 21:21 |
| MinceR | (or any other program where it’s applicable) | Mar 11 21:21 |
| MinceR | it targets SaaS | Mar 11 21:21 |
| PeterFA | That’s interesting. | Mar 11 21:21 |
| PeterFA | That’s why Google wouldn’t like it. | Mar 11 21:21 |
| schestowitz | PeterFA: Red Hat predates ‘open source[ | Mar 11 21:21 |
| PeterFA | They do webapps. | Mar 11 21:21 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, yeah, but FSF does not, and Linux was always GPL2. | Mar 11 21:22 |
| tacone | like launchpad. it will be made agpl. so you can use it for whatever you want, but you’ll have to release the source code of any modifications just for the fact of putting your version online. | Mar 11 21:22 |
| tessier_ | Ah. | Mar 11 21:22 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, er… | Mar 11 21:22 |
| PeterFA | schestowitz, but it does not predate FSF. | Mar 11 21:22 |
| tacone | not only they don’t like it. they don’t allow the licence on google code !.. | Mar 11 21:22 |
| tacone | that’s the thing. | Mar 11 21:22 |
| tacone | they don’t want it to spread because that will force them to do all the work for their proprietary webservices, one day. | Mar 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | tessier: think about Google’s Apache deriv | Mar 11 21:23 |
| tacone | AGPL is a cancer (?) | Mar 11 21:23 |
| schestowitz | As if it were *gpl | Mar 11 21:23 |
| PeterFA | The GPL doesn’t really have any restrictions until you distribute |
Mar 11 21:24 |
| PeterFA | You can make all the changes you want and keep them all a secret so long as you don’t distribute anything. | Mar 11 21:24 |
| PeterFA | However, the Tivo case is a failure. | Mar 11 21:24 |
| PeterFA | Well, as much as I’d like to talk and learn, I gotta get going. | Mar 11 21:25 |
| schestowitz | cya later then | Mar 11 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | Why Bloggers (All People) Need To Count As Journalists < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/03/11… > | Mar 11 21:28 |
| balzac | To the extent that we understand journalism and practice it, we are journalists. To the extent that we understand and practice law, we are laywers. | Mar 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | “you’d be surprised how many ppl i know are switching to ubuntu, i even got my self a copy: with the LiveCD/Persistence you can try and test it with out having to install anything of ur hard drive.” http://techdirt.com/articles/2… | Mar 11 21:36 |
| schestowitz | The Iceland story is everywhere Because of /. and some BN people who spread the word |
Mar 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. http://www.vanityfair.com/politi… | Mar 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Watch the image on the right | Mar 11 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Australian police may get hacking powers < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_… > | Mar 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Interesting that Michael has just used this as a reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/… | Mar 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Never knew about the incident: many decades later it’s still bad publicity for them: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&… | Mar 11 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Not what it sounds like: Microsoft to kill off Internet Explorer < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news… > | Mar 11 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Here is a pair that can snatch the industry from the west: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a… (Foxconn to join VIA-led alliance for white-box netbooks) | Mar 11 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Lessig is @ it again: “WHETHER OR NOT “money bought” this result, you have committed this wrong.” http://www.lessig.org/blog/2009/03/… | Mar 11 21:55 |
| trmanco | http://www.php.net/index… | Mar 11 21:55 |
| trmanco | stupid no modular Windows needs a new php build to fixe the cURL bugs | Mar 11 21:56 |
| trmanco | non* | Mar 11 21:56 |
| trmanco | Note: Only the Windows packages are affected. | Mar 11 21:56 |
| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/security… | Mar 11 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. Small patch otherwise. Tiny. | Mar 11 22:02 |
| trmanco | we can wait 7 years | Mar 11 22:04 |
| trmanco | not we, Windows users | Mar 11 22:04 |
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| schestowitz | Why did Microsoft wait 7 years to fix SMBRelay attack flaw? < http://blogs.zdnet.com… > | Mar 11 22:07 |
| trmanco | BS | Mar 11 22:09 |
| schestowitz | BSNet | Mar 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | ZDNet | Mar 11 22:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/techbi… ““A verbal memo [no email allowed] was passed around the MS campus encouraging MS employee’s to post to ZDNet articles like this one,” the email said.” | Mar 11 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Remember Cuil? http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/… | Mar 11 22:12 |
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| balzac | I think the php dev-team is being a little too focused on the bottom line there | Mar 11 22:31 |
| balzac | when there’s a bug on windows, someone says “jump”, they ask “how high”? | Mar 11 22:31 |
| balzac | There’s no big hurry for GNU/Linux users | Mar 11 22:32 |
| balzac | I was also a bit bent when I heard that the ubiquity plugin for Firefox wasn’t working for any GNU/Linux yet but it worked right away for Windows and OSX | Mar 11 22:32 |
| balzac | It seems pretty obvious that GNU/Linux should come before OSX or Windows | Mar 11 22:33 |
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| jcook66 | are my concerns about mono warranted? | Mar 11 22:36 |
| tessier_ | jcook66: Are you kissing strangers again? | Mar 11 22:37 |
| jcook66 | no, I’m just looking for a non-mono way to convert openxml files to odf | Mar 11 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Hi, jcook66 | Mar 11 22:39 |
| jcook66 | hello | Mar 11 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Heh. tessier spoke about mononucleosis | Mar 11 22:39 |
| schestowitz | OOXML is a Microsoft crime | Mar 11 22:40 |
| schestowitz | (and a format) | Mar 11 22:40 |
| jcook66 | yeah, I caught that. | Mar 11 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Novell helps Microsoft poison everything with .NET | Mar 11 22:40 |
| schestowitz | How did you get OOXML? | Mar 11 22:40 |
| jcook66 | My company doesn’t understand that it’s bad. | Mar 11 22:41 |
| schestowitz | They are not standard | Mar 11 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Convince them by explaining | Mar 11 22:42 |
| jcook66 | I was trying to find a command-line tool for parsing it and re-formatting it into odf | Mar 11 22:42 |
| schestowitz | I think there’s an ODF plugin for Office that’s pretty decent | Mar 11 22:42 |
| jcook66 | I think that’s the way to go. The odf-converter command-line tool uses mono. | Mar 11 22:42 |
| jcook66 | not only a bad thing for the obvious reasons, but like 50+ megs of dependencies. | Mar 11 22:43 |
| jcook66 | I can’t understand the decision to use mono when there are so many other xml tools out there. | Mar 11 22:44 |
| jcook66 | apparently accessing Exchange 2007 from Evolution will require mono as well? | Mar 11 22:45 |
| schestowitz | That’s Novell | Mar 11 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Can OOo not import MOOX | Mar 11 22:46 |
| schestowitz | OOo 3? | Mar 11 22:46 |
| schestowitz | jcook66: wait. Do you have a link to that last bit? | Mar 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | >>> “apparently accessing Exchange 2007 from Evolution will require mono as well?” | Mar 11 22:47 |
| schestowitz | where can I find info on that? | Mar 11 22:47 |
| jcook66 | looking for it, just a sec | Mar 11 22:49 |
| Balrog_ | system.building.openoffice == takes.forever | Mar 11 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Mar 11 22:51 |
| schestowitz | BTW, is Evolution already part of the ‘core’ of GNOME? | Mar 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | I mean, like TomTom more or less? | Mar 11 22:52 |
| jcook66 | Thankfully, I was wrong. I misunderstood the packaginig of my linux distro which only requires mono because of beagle. | Mar 11 22:52 |
| jcook66 | My appologies | Mar 11 22:52 |
| schestowitz | jcook66: ah, OK | Mar 11 22:53 |
| Balrog_ | looks like it is | Mar 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Because Evolution has some Mono-requiring plugins | Mar 11 22:53 |
| jcook66 | exactly | Mar 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | In opensuse, you can’t really remove it well.. | Mar 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Mono mess | Mar 11 22:53 |
| jcook66 | But it looks like openchange uses samba4 | Mar 11 22:53 |
| jcook66 | a much better choice | Mar 11 22:53 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I see more denials of Apple sub-notebooks | Mar 11 22:56 |
| schestowitz | [coming from the Wintel press] | Mar 11 22:56 |
| Balrog | it’s so mixed | Mar 11 22:57 |
| Balrog | we have no idea what’s going on with apple and sub-notebooks right now | Mar 11 22:57 |
| schestowitz | That’s what Apple would prefer | Mar 11 22:58 |
| schestowitz | False stuff? Lies, Damned Lies, and Apple Netbook Rumors < http://www.pcworld.com/article/161031/lies_damn… > | Mar 11 22:59 |
| Balrog_ | yes, and that helps prevent stock-market speculation | Mar 11 22:59 |
| jcook66 | thanks for all the fish… | Mar 11 23:00 |
| *jcook66 has quit (“WeeChat 0.2.6″) | Mar 11 23:00 | |
| schestowitz | Balrog: http://blogs.computerworld.com/get_over_it… (Get over it! There’s no Apple netbook) | Mar 11 23:18 |
| schestowitz | USB fingers. Hehe. http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/when_reality… | Mar 11 23:18 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 11 23:23 |
| MinceR | “usb fingers” sounds like an illness | Mar 11 23:23 |
| schestowitz | only if it runs autorun.inf by default | Mar 11 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Don’t bite those fingers. You might catch a cold.. or a virus | Mar 11 23:31 |
| PetoKraus | it looks ulgy | Mar 11 23:33 |
| schestowitz | fulgy? | Mar 11 23:34 |
| PetoKraus | almost | Mar 11 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Google and the Linux desktop < http://blogs.computerworld.com… > | Mar 11 23:37 |
| trmanco | http://graphjam.com/2009/03/09/song-char… | Mar 11 23:39 |
| Balrog | office depot is engaging in deceptive practices | Mar 11 23:42 |
| Balrog | http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?s… | Mar 11 23:43 |
| schestowitz | new upload: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f… | Mar 11 23:43 |
| Balrog | http://blog.laptopmag.com/source-office-depot… | Mar 11 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like normal routine in US of Advertising | Mar 11 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Like $99.99 | Mar 11 23:45 |
| Balrog | the lying about stock is bad | Mar 11 23:45 |
| trmanco | Vodafone Music goes DRM-free, throws in free upgrades: http://arstechnica.com/media/news/200… | Mar 11 23:46 |
| Balrog | following in the footsteps of amazon and more importantly, itunes | Mar 11 23:46 |
| Balrog | except that they’re not charging for upgrades | Mar 11 23:46 |
| trmanco | http://www.itworld.com/windows/64099/micr… || Por Windows Vista 7, it’s not even fully baked and it is already hammered with critical security flaws | Mar 11 23:55 |
| trmanco | wait… does any Microsoft product get completely baked? | Mar 11 23:56 |
| schestowitz | No, just RTMed | Mar 11 23:59 |
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