04.27.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 26th, 2009 – Part 1
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| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/… | Apr 26 00:26 |
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| DaemonFC | this is like watching a train wreck get slammed into by another train | Apr 26 00:31 |
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| NZheretic | Just dropped in to post two links … | Apr 26 01:06 |
| NZheretic | http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/… | Apr 26 01:06 |
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| NZheretic | It’s only taken Microsoft six years. | Apr 26 01:07 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 26 01:07 |
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| Balrog | schestowitz: heard of the Win7 RC leaks? | Apr 26 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | oh dear god | Apr 26 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | I tried 7100 | Apr 26 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | and it has not improved | Apr 26 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | every time I bitch about some stupid thing it does | Apr 26 01:42 |
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| DaemonFC | someone pipes up “What build did you try?” | Apr 26 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | I doesn’t fucking matter | Apr 26 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | all of them suck | Apr 26 01:43 |
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| Balrog_ | yes, they all suck | Apr 26 01:53 |
| Balrog_ | though the press (radio / newspapers) spin it | Apr 26 01:53 |
| Balrog_ | they say win7 will save ms | Apr 26 01:53 |
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| _Hicham_ | hi oiaohm | Apr 26 01:55 |
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| _Hicham_ | no one in here? | Apr 26 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Not exacty | Apr 26 02:02 |
| _Hicham_ | how? | Apr 26 02:03 |
| _Hicham_ | just woke up? | Apr 26 02:03 |
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| Balrog_ | I’m here, but leaving soon | Apr 26 02:10 |
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| oiaohm | In different channel that is all. | Apr 26 02:14 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 26 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/idg/I… | Apr 26 03:06 |
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| oiaohm | Ok not in driver development then DaemonFC | Apr 26 03:26 |
| oiaohm | Last changes of vista were pure evil. | Apr 26 03:26 |
| oiaohm | up until that point most XP drivers still worked. | Apr 26 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 26 03:28 |
| dsmith_ | i’m glad they forked tomboy | Apr 26 03:28 |
| dsmith_ | NO mono | Apr 26 03:28 |
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| yuhong | On the matter of Amazon and patent reform, if Amazon did successfully reduced the software patent lifetime to 3 to 5 years, the 1-Click patent reexams that happened in citra-2007 would not have been happened as that patent would have been expired by then. | Apr 26 03:57 |
| yuhong | >On the matter of Amazon and patent reform, if Amazon did successfully reduced the software patent lifetime to 3 to 5 years as Bezos suggested in his open letter back in 2000, the 1-Click patent re-exams that happened in citra-2007 would not have been happened as that patent would have been expired by then. | Apr 26 03:59 |
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| schestowitz | Morning… | Apr 26 06:58 |
| oiaohm_ | Hi schestowitz | Apr 26 07:05 |
| schestowitz | Hey | Apr 26 07:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hypocrisy is priceless: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… | Apr 26 07:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Yet they don’t fully support running on arm. | Apr 26 07:17 |
| oiaohm_ | By the looks of things windows 8 is going to be .net. | Apr 26 07:22 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yes, The Vista7+XP news is amusing | Apr 26 07:35 |
| schestowitz | To say the least | Apr 26 07:35 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: don’t mention Vista8 yet | Apr 26 07:35 |
| schestowitz | They want people to talk about it when Vista7 disappoints | Apr 26 07:35 |
| schestowitz | “But look! Vista 7 is better than XP because it’s XP+Vista (in VMs)” | Apr 26 07:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Apr 26 07:37 | |
| oiaohm_ | Windows 8 screen shots look nothing like current day windows. | Apr 26 07:37 |
| schestowitz | Don’t be deceived by what Microsoft calls “Charity”: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/26… | Apr 26 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | Novell’s plans for Mono start getting clearer: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04… | Apr 26 08:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft money is funneled into anti-Google lawsuits: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/26… | Apr 26 08:46 |
| oiaohm_ | Sooner the IBM Orcale war starts the better. | Apr 26 09:02 |
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| schestowitz | Why? | Apr 26 09:06 |
| schestowitz | What’s in it for us? | Apr 26 09:06 |
| oiaohm_ | Both will be competing for the server market. Both support Linux. Mysql and postgresql both could end up better than ever. | Apr 26 09:08 |
| oiaohm_ | If it spreeds into office suits it will be interesting. | Apr 26 09:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Its a little bit like KDE and Gnome neither would be as far advanced to day if they did not have the other one to compete with. | Apr 26 09:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Competition drives development at way faster rates. | Apr 26 09:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Also should have the nice effect of flooding network with news not about Microsoft. | Apr 26 09:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: true, good points | Apr 26 09:22 |
| schestowitz | IBM has embraced postgres | Apr 26 09:23 |
| schestowitz | More proof the patent system is a joke: http://boycottnovell.com/2009… | Apr 26 09:23 |
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| oiaohm_ | Samba with ADS support would the the one key stone to allow IBM and Orcale to go into over drive on MS. | Apr 26 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Could MS turn the table on Samba? | Apr 26 09:47 |
| oiaohm_ | Nop | Apr 26 09:48 |
| oiaohm_ | MS attacking samba opens up a big can of worms. | Apr 26 09:48 |
| oiaohm_ | Very big can of worms. Attacking the group responsable for quality control of the SMB protocal would be really stupid. | Apr 26 09:49 |
| oiaohm_ | List of information samba could publish on MS protocal defects between versions is a mountain. | Apr 26 09:50 |
| oiaohm_ | Pure techical attack on there complete quality of production not a good thing to set off. | Apr 26 09:50 |
| oiaohm_ | Also samba has a direct blood line to the start of the SMB protocal. | Apr 26 09:52 |
| oiaohm_ | MS does not. | Apr 26 09:52 |
| oiaohm_ | Part of the reason why MS lost in the EU court and had to give up specs. | Apr 26 09:53 |
| schestowitz | OK | Apr 26 10:02 |
| oiaohm_ | Before samba there was another group that was the offical care takers of the protcals that make up MS networking. | Apr 26 10:04 |
| oiaohm_ | Samba took that role over. | Apr 26 10:05 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes the standard body have to reverse eng the protocal they are ment to be the standard body for due to one company being rogue should not happen. | Apr 26 10:05 |
| oiaohm_ | Samba is one of those rare projects were it wise for MS to leave well alone. | Apr 26 10:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is laying off its AstroTurfers: http://www.prweek.com/uk/sectors/publicsector… | Apr 26 10:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Cutting CSR PR Budget | Apr 26 10:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.environmentalleader.com/2009/04/2… | Apr 26 10:09 |
| oiaohm_ | That was predictable. | Apr 26 10:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Now how long until they have to start cutting dumping. | Apr 26 10:11 |
| MinceR | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.p… | Apr 26 10:32 |
| MinceR |  |
Apr 26 10:33 |
| PetoKraus | MinceR: i just started trolling the MPAA group on facebook | Apr 26 10:38 |
| PetoKraus | it got me | Apr 26 10:38 |
| PetoKraus | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | Apr 26 10:38 |
| oiaohm_ | Here is from last performance. | Apr 26 10:42 |
| oiaohm_ | Not from death. | Apr 26 10:42 |
| oiaohm_ | Death in theory could cause some nasty glitches. | Apr 26 10:42 |
| PetoKraus | don’t worry | Apr 26 10:44 |
| PetoKraus | they’ll harmonize it soon | Apr 26 10:45 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: don’t worry. They’ll extend it to 90 years 20 years from now |
Apr 26 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Mickey mouse directive. | Apr 26 10:55 |
| schestowitz | MarkS mailed me back re: Mono/Moonlight | Apr 26 10:55 |
| schestowitz | “Thanks Roy! I’ve forwarded to the Ubuntu technical board and also to Canoni-legal “ |
Apr 26 10:55 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I’ll check that | Apr 26 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Apr 26 10:58 |
| schestowitz | But I don’t think they’ll post it publicly. | Apr 26 10:58 |
| trmanco | meh, no public mailing list  |
Apr 26 10:59 |
| trmanco | pff, Ubunt has a mono list ->https://lists.ubuntu.com/mail… , I guess it has to many bugs han? | Apr 26 11:02 |
| trmanco | http://telcontar.net/store/a… | Apr 26 11:06 |
| trmanco | I’ll brb | Apr 26 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | Lots of good news to Linux today. Also, what’s bad for Microsoft is good for Linux because Oracle, IBM, Google et al use Linux to their advantage. | Apr 26 11:52 |
| schestowitz | ioquake3 Goes Gold WIth Ogg Decoding, x86_64 < http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?… > | Apr 26 11:52 |
| schestowitz | FF will gain Ogg support in June | Apr 26 11:53 |
| schestowitz | 10+ million PCs on the first day | Apr 26 11:53 |
| schestowitz | FF injects Ogg support into over 30% of the PCs in Europe when 3.5 is released. | Apr 26 11:54 |
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| trmanco | Apple found guilty of willful patent infringement: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2… | Apr 26 12:00 |
| schestowitz | Yes, posed in BN | Apr 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz | There’s no “Willful” | Apr 26 12:08 |
| trmanco | yeah, just saw it | Apr 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Not with sh*tty patents like these | Apr 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Hey… you use tabbed browsing! | Apr 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Willful infringers | Apr 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft invested this | Apr 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz | So says the USPTO AFAIK | Apr 26 12:08 |
| schestowitz | *invented | Apr 26 12:09 |
| trmanco | lol | Apr 26 12:11 |
| trmanco | pgup and pgdown button patent | Apr 26 12:11 |
| PetoKraus | god’s sake | Apr 26 12:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Patent system is slowly killing the system. | Apr 26 12:27 |
| oiaohm_ | Really companies like Apple should concider moving offsoure to a location where patent cases don’t apply. So all people can do after that is attempt to block product. | Apr 26 12:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.cringely.com/2009/04/sunset/ “So Oracle ends up owning Sun Microsystems. I couldn’t believe it at first, thinking somehow that it was all just a ploy to get IBM to pull out the Big Checkbook.” | Apr 26 14:29 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* I like… http://www.thepirategoogle.com/ So will the MAFIAA take on Google now? | Apr 26 14:42 |
| trmanco | the MAFIA are a bunch of wanking walruses | Apr 26 14:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.kk.org/thetechnium… | Apr 26 14:49 |
| schestowitz | “As a government owned corporation the BBC has a duty to educate, and be evenhanded in its dealings with subjects. Yet in a recent segment on their long-running ‘Film’ program, currently hosted by Jonathon Ross, the BBC ran a biased segment straight from the MPAA. The BBC on the other hand, believes it was fair and balanced.” http://torrentfreak.com/the-bbc… | Apr 26 14:49 |
| schestowitz | So basically, the government sees greedy phat buggers as the good guys | Apr 26 14:49 |
| schestowitz | The bad guys are us | Apr 26 14:49 |
| schestowitz | And the MSBBC plays along with it | Apr 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Yes, the billionaires who treat singers like total rubbish are the good guys | Apr 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | And we’re “copyright thieves” | Apr 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Not that copyright can be stolen | Apr 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Unless one changes the copyright notices to one’s own name | Apr 26 14:50 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise it can be INFRINGED, not STOLEN | Apr 26 14:51 |
| schestowitz | The UK government, which is tied to the BBC, was caught engaging in brazen copyright infringement (GPL-licensed CMS theme) | Apr 26 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I don’t think anyone but David Gerard < http://blog.symbian.org… > really pays much attention to Symbian. It’s better not to mention them; they compete with Linux using Eclipse licence, which is rubbish. | Apr 26 14:53 |
| schestowitz | It’s probably sensible to fight against Kindle and what it represents, despite the fact it runs Linux: http://online.wsj.com/artic… | Apr 26 15:02 |
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| Omar87 | Hi | Apr 26 15:06 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: There seems to be a typo here: “Patent Hawk (Troll) may this violating a contract that he has with Microsoft” | Apr 26 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Thanks! | Apr 26 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Think of all the URLs that will die with Geocities (content graveyard): http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2009/… | Apr 26 15:17 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: Another typo: “What a wonderful transition this whole “interoperability” provision is preparing. If only _if_ worked the other way.” | Apr 26 15:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/20… | Apr 26 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: :-) Yeah.. | Apr 26 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Both fixed | Apr 26 15:20 |
| schestowitz | How to get banned from my blog < http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=923 > | Apr 26 15:25 |
| ushimitsudoki | I’m concerned that mono-promoters are well organized in Ubuntu-land. They will be proposing Banshee for default inclusion in the next version of Ubuntu. Where is this process and is it open and visible for anyone to comment on? | Apr 26 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has just dumped on Turkey | Apr 26 15:41 |
| schestowitz | It’s going nation after nation to attack Linux | Apr 26 15:41 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: yes, back in 2007 someone told me that the Mono-ers are seizing control of Ubuntu land | Apr 26 15:42 |
| schestowitz | That’s how Ubuntu got so entangled in mono in the first place | Apr 26 15:42 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2008/02/1… | Apr 26 15:42 |
| ushimitsudoki | schestowitz: they are well organized and know the process. that gives them an enourmous advantage in pushing their agenda forward. | Apr 26 15:43 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: are we talking about Mono or Microsoft? |
Apr 26 15:43 |
| schestowitz | It’s also how they corrupt procurement/tenders at Microsoft. They know people in the administration. Sometimes they are former Softies… | Apr 26 15:43 |
| ushimitsudoki | I’m talking about the mono-advocates. It is too late to complain about Banshee getting in after the fact – I’d like to find out where to start raising concerns now, before the battle is lost | Apr 26 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Remember Mono defenders like Jeff Waugh, who used to WORK for Canonical. | Apr 26 15:44 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: yes, I know. I mailed MarkS about it. He got it. | Apr 26 15:44 |
| ushimitsudoki | good, please share the information. if the proposal process is open for comments, I might try to prepare some commentary on keeping Banshee out by default. | Apr 26 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Is there anything formal? | Apr 26 15:45 |
| schestowitz | I thought it was brainstorm and stuff like that. | Apr 26 15:45 |
| schestowitz | The Monovell religion. http://www.youtube.com/wa… | Apr 26 15:46 |
| ushimitsudoki | No. Brainstorm is user-submitted ideas. There is developer-level / MOTU / something process going on as well, but I don’t know the details. | Apr 26 15:46 |
| ushimitsudoki | That dude directhex is a big mover for mono. from his blog: “I have a proposal which I’m going to make to the Desktop team at Ubuntu Developer Summit in May, which will save six precious megabytes.” | Apr 26 15:47 |
| ushimitsudoki | So, I have the impression that after May it might be too late. | Apr 26 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Nice news site: http://knowem.com/ Find people… | Apr 26 15:48 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: yes, he’s also the pusher in Debian | Apr 26 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Still memory leaks in Plasma: http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/0… | Apr 26 15:50 |
| schestowitz | I’m getting sick and tired of Mirosoft | Apr 26 15:53 |
| schestowitz | They abuse entire nations now | Apr 26 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Turkey this time | Apr 26 15:53 |
| schestowitz | http://english.sol.org.tr/ne… | Apr 26 15:54 |
| schestowitz | I can’t get by without writing about what they really do ther.e | Apr 26 15:54 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: I think the best thing we can do is write an open letter to Mark Shuttleworth telling him to reconsider the inclusion of Mono in Ubuntu. | Apr 26 15:57 |
| Omar87 | schestowitz: We can even name it something like: “Ubuntu is such a great distribution, and it would be even greater without Mono!” | Apr 26 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: would it be more effective than a bunch of raving Mono fans? | Apr 26 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe more posts with information are better use of time? | Apr 26 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Omar87: if you or ushimitsudoki write a letter that gets the point across, I’d post it of course | Apr 26 16:08 |
| ushimitsudoki | I have to see if I can put something together. It is important to put together a good argument, because the mono-promoters will be sure to raise issues with it | Apr 26 16:11 |
| Omar87 | ushimitsudoki: Absolutely. Which is why I’d recommend it to be a collaborative work with a group of contributors. | Apr 26 16:23 |
| schestowitz | ushimitsudoki: +1 | Apr 26 16:24 |
| schestowitz | I’d love to help | Apr 26 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Just let me finish this one long post about Turkey | Apr 26 16:33 |
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| trmanco | the mono crap just make the system slower and more bloated | Apr 26 16:43 |
| trmanco | tomboy would be a great app if it wasn’t written in c# | Apr 26 16:44 |
| schestowitz | gnote |
Apr 26 16:44 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: but don’t argue on these grounds | Apr 26 16:45 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, did you propose the inclusion of gnote in Ubuntu? | Apr 26 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Argue on basis on control and legal issues | Apr 26 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Mono=microsoft is in change (.NET) | Apr 26 16:45 |
| trmanco | on that email you wrote to Mark? | Apr 26 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Mono=microsoft can change (patents) | Apr 26 16:45 |
| trmanco | yeah, that the worst part | Apr 26 16:45 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: no, I don’t want to other him too much | Apr 26 16:45 |
| schestowitz | *bother | Apr 26 16:46 |
| trmanco | hmm, but if he ever think in removing mono of ubuntu, he will have to think alternatives | Apr 26 16:46 |
| schestowitz | If you want to bother someone, mail steveb@microsoft.com | Apr 26 16:46 |
| trmanco | who is him? | Apr 26 16:47 |
| schestowitz | He doesn’t have other people checking it for him | Apr 26 16:47 |
| schestowitz | He reads em himself | Apr 26 16:47 |
| schestowitz | He doesn’t get much mail |
Apr 26 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Just 30 spam/day, maybe 70 | Apr 26 16:47 |
| trmanco | I will submit that email to my new 3 billion computer botnet in china |
Apr 26 16:47 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: feel free | Apr 26 16:47 |
| trmanco | hehe | Apr 26 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Slow down the moster | Apr 26 16:47 |
| schestowitz | *monster | Apr 26 16:47 |
| *trmanco is dreaming | Apr 26 16:47 | |
| trmanco | schestowitz, you sure are a very bad person | Apr 26 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Naaa. | Apr 26 16:48 |
| trmanco | once the logs go live, that email is going to get spamed | Apr 26 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer doesn’t even use Outlook for anything but mail | Apr 26 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Which shows what crap it is | Apr 26 16:49 |
| schestowitz | ballmer uses Excel to do his timetable | Apr 26 16:49 |
| trmanco | hehe, is bloated | Apr 26 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Some lousy Toshiba crap | Apr 26 16:49 |
| trmanco | excel can’t even do simple math right | Apr 26 16:49 |
| schestowitz | It’s funny how envious he is of Macbooks | Apr 26 16:49 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: they try | Apr 26 16:49 |
| schestowitz | They can make it the $standard | Apr 26 16:50 |
| trmanco | wait, let me help you, are you really sure it’s this -> steveb@microsoft.com email | Apr 26 16:50 |
| trmanco | really -> steveb@microsoft.com | Apr 26 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Like leap years | Apr 26 16:50 |
| trmanco | steveb@microsoft.com <- REally | Apr 26 16:50 |
| schestowitz | And the Microsoft spinner defend this | Apr 26 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Hey, let’s make bogus leap years in ISO | Apr 26 16:50 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes | Apr 26 16:50 |
| trmanco | ah ok | Apr 26 16:50 |
| schestowitz | He spoke about it days ago | Apr 26 16:50 |
| trmanco | I just added that email to my filters | Apr 26 16:50 |
| schestowitz | He has students writing to him | Apr 26 16:50 |
| trmanco | hmm, interesting | Apr 26 16:51 |
| trmanco | maybe that student who threw him egg the other time is one of them | Apr 26 16:51 |
| trmanco | eggs* | Apr 26 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates, Chairman of the Board -billg@microsoft.com | Apr 26 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Steve Ballmer, CEO – steve@microsoft.com / (425) 706-8448 | Apr 26 16:52 |
| schestowitz | J. Allard, CTO – jallard@microsoft.com | Apr 26 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Robert Bach, President, Entertainment and Devices Division – rbach@microsoft.com | Apr 26 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Joe Belfiore, Corporate VP, Entertainment and Devices eHome Division – joeb@microsoft.com | Apr 26 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Kathleen Hogan, Corporate VP, Worldwide Customer Service – khogan@microsoft.com | Apr 26 16:52 |
| schestowitz | (don’t phone them, please) | Apr 26 16:52 |
| trmanco | hehe | Apr 26 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Yesterday at the gym I spoke about people and celebrity status | Apr 26 16:53 |
| schestowitz | How industry glamorizes people | Apr 26 16:53 |
| schestowitz | So people can’t think of their icons as humans | Apr 26 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Like they have no phone # and mail address | Apr 26 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Or as though they can’t have babies or have an abusive fight with the bf (Like Rihanna) | Apr 26 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | Google’s algo hacked: Google Results Polluted By Cybercrooks < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2… > | Apr 26 17:13 |
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| trmanco | A good place to discuss mon in ubuntu is by sending an email to ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-discuss, but be advised, you might get insulted | Apr 26 17:24 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft is dumping on Turkey to fight GNU/Linux and Free software: http://boycottnovell.com/200… | Apr 26 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Sony bats for MAFIAA: http://www.p2p-blog.com/item-1020.html (Sony: PSP could “go away” because of piracy) | Apr 26 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat and Intel: The intelligent server choice: http://www.redhat.com/intelligence/?… | Apr 26 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Yuck Intel | Apr 26 17:45 |
| schestowitz | That’s the same company that derailed Fedora-powered OLPCs | Apr 26 17:45 |
| schestowitz | And now Red Hat plays ball with them (it has to because of chips) | Apr 26 17:45 |
| schestowitz | AMD is back in business: http://www.crn.com/white-box/21710… | Apr 26 17:49 |
| schestowitz | So many jackasses in Microsoft.. http://www.techflash.com/QA_Danl_L… “Q: Microsoft recently sued TomTom over patents. I realize you’re not the general counsel, but do you ever want to go over there and tell the lawyers, hey, stop that?” | Apr 26 17:52 |
| trmanco | microsoft moonlight? | Apr 26 17:52 |
| trmanco | wtf | Apr 26 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Yes the f* | Apr 26 17:53 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/openroad/?ta… “So here’s a thought: could Red Hat fork MySQL, hire some key developers, and effectively assume the mantle of MySQL leadership?” | Apr 26 17:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pr-inside.com/sun-microsystems-in… Sun Microsystems, Inc. Shareholder Lawsuit over Takeover (Class action) | Apr 26 17:55 |
| trmanco | http://fullcirclemagazine.org… | Apr 26 17:55 |
| trmanco | lets spread a little love | Apr 26 17:55 |
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| nicks | hello people | Apr 26 17:57 |
| trmanco | hi | Apr 26 17:57 |
| nicks | lol some articles are so true | Apr 26 17:59 |
| trmanco | just some | Apr 26 18:00 |
| trmanco | ? | Apr 26 18:00 |
| nicks | well i mean some i know about | Apr 26 18:00 |
| nicks | which is in field of my knowledge. I can’t say i read others , but this is bad year for M$ | Apr 26 18:01 |
| nicks | i mean we have even to pay for support. They are keeping win xp on purpose to kill of GNU/Linux | Apr 26 18:02 |
| nicks | on netbooks | Apr 26 18:02 |
| nicks | anyway they are like crew of ship which is sinking. If they can’t make it they will pull others to sunk with them. | Apr 26 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Hi, nicks | Apr 26 18:05 |
| nicks | hi schestowitz | Apr 26 18:06 |
| schestowitz | yes, the ship analogy is right | Apr 26 18:06 |
| schestowitz | A case of drowning with your rival | Apr 26 18:06 |
| schestowitz | But which one do they want to drown /with/? | Apr 26 18:06 |
| nicks | well its analogy:If i die you die with me | Apr 26 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Novell? TomTom? | Apr 26 18:06 |
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| schestowitz | nicks: yes, Microsoft is the suicidal abusive girlfriend who bought a pistol  |
Apr 26 18:07 |
| nicks | well Novell is already gonner TomTom is not theirs. | Apr 26 18:07 |
| schestowitz | TomTom has financial uncertainty | Apr 26 18:07 |
| schestowitz | That’s why Microsoft attacked it at this stagr | Apr 26 18:07 |
| schestowitz | *stage | Apr 26 18:07 |
| schestowitz | They aimed for settlement that gives them more FUD against Linux and FAR users | Apr 26 18:08 |
| schestowitz | * /s/FAR/FAT/ | Apr 26 18:08 |
| nicks | The day games start support for linux is the end of Microsoft for good. | Apr 26 18:08 |
| schestowitz | nicks: there’s Wine | Apr 26 18:08 |
| schestowitz | But they might try to use their patents | Apr 26 18:08 |
| nicks | yea but not every game is compatible | Apr 26 18:08 |
| schestowitz | The European Commission won’t allow this | Apr 26 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Monopoly abuse using sw patents | Apr 26 18:08 |
| schestowitz | ECIS raised this to the EC, maybe on behalf of IBM | Apr 26 18:09 |
| nicks | yea i read it in newspapers. Some of their patents are stoolen | Apr 26 18:09 |
| schestowitz | nicks: can’t the h/w do the translation | Apr 26 18:09 |
| schestowitz | API calls changed at some level by auto-translation of code in the pipeline? | Apr 26 18:09 |
| schestowitz | nicks: Bill’s abusive dad just wrote about it | Apr 26 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Let me find, let me find… |
Apr 26 18:10 |
| nicks | lol Bill Gates dad , now this is funny |
Apr 26 18:10 |
| schestowitz | “This Tuesday, my new book goes on sale. The name “Bill Gates” is featured prominently. I suspect some people, if not most people, will do a double-take. I’m used to that. I was still in my early 50s when my son “stole” my name and — to avoid confusion with him — I became Bill Gates Senior” | Apr 26 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-gates-sen… | Apr 26 18:10 |
| schestowitz | nicks: search BN for info about Bill’s dad | Apr 26 18:10 |
| nicks | rofl | Apr 26 18:10 |
| schestowitz | We did a lot of studying around it | Apr 26 18:10 |
| schestowitz | He’s working closely with Bill Junior | Apr 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Part of the political corruption theme | Apr 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Like playing with Abramoff for visas | Apr 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | And the BSA | Apr 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Abramoff worked with Gates senior | Apr 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Jack is in prison | Apr 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | The Gateses are still out of jail | Apr 26 18:11 |
| schestowitz | They tossed judge Jackson out when he asked for a criminal trial against MS management | Apr 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | I’ve been told by people about the expansion of law firms owned by BIll senior | Apr 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Quite scary | Apr 26 18:12 |
| nicks | lol a pyramid | Apr 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | How the country is run and press controlled by some very quiet | Apr 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Not really that | Apr 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | The pyramid is another thing | Apr 26 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Gates Senior is like a Rockefeller pulling string behind the scenes since Gates was a kid | Apr 26 18:13 |
| nicks | i meant a pyramid of their network in government etc. | Apr 26 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Like those who planned the invasion of Iraq for their own benefit | Apr 26 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Rockefeller talked about this | Apr 26 18:13 |
| schestowitz | [in private] | Apr 26 18:13 |
| schestowitz | The people who run things are not those who live in the limelight | Apr 26 18:13 |
| schestowitz | But there it goes.. | Apr 26 18:13 |
| schestowitz | anyways.. | Apr 26 18:14 |
| schestowitz | nicks: government is another matter | Apr 26 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Not separate, but it’s still worth studying too | Apr 26 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Mostly int he IRC channel | Apr 26 18:14 |
| schestowitz | I don’t write about it in sites | Apr 26 18:14 |
| nicks | Well strange thing was when someone claimed that windows wasn’t made Bill Gates | Apr 26 18:14 |
| nicks | by* | Apr 26 18:15 |
| schestowitz | It wasn’t | Apr 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | He’s hardly a programmer | Apr 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Not a good one anyway | Apr 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | It’s an epic bunch of stories | Apr 26 18:16 |
| nicks | yea i know that | Apr 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | He’s a lawyer | Apr 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Harvard BS | Apr 26 18:16 |
| schestowitz | From a family of lawyers/diplomats | Apr 26 18:17 |
| nicks | So who did it then? | Apr 26 18:17 |
| trmanco | think dirty operating system | Apr 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | A group of people | Apr 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | DOS he just stole | Apr 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | BASIC likewise | Apr 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | They claim credit for things they never created | Apr 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | There are few things they invented | Apr 26 18:17 |
| schestowitz | This is probably the best summary on the Net:’ http://www.vanwensveen.nl/ran… | Apr 26 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | trmanco: DOS is OK | Apr 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Not MSDOS | Apr 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | DR-DOS is OK | Apr 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I’ll do Comes exhibits on how Microsoft broke the law against it | Apr 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I don’t think it ever appeared in public | Apr 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | How Ballmer is equipped with code that deliberately crashes OS/2 | Apr 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Not just DR-DOS | Apr 26 18:18 |
| nicks | i see this is amazing. | Apr 26 18:18 |
| schestowitz | He’s sent on a tour to demonstrate crashes | Apr 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | That’s criminal | Apr 26 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I wish I had the time to parse and do the text now | Apr 26 18:19 |
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| trmanco | I like this -> http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/… | Apr 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz | More spying on E-mail now: http://www.betanews.com/article/Deep-pack… | Apr 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz | For ‘security’ | Apr 26 18:20 |
| schestowitz | I just encrypt when I can | Apr 26 18:20 |
| nicks | I see. | Apr 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz | There’s a US base right here in Yorkshire that read all people’s E-mails (transatlantic) | Apr 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz | That’s essentially spying on foreign terrotiries | Apr 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz | The UK government just lets the US have fund with UK domenstic comms | Apr 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Joy! |
Apr 26 18:21 |
| schestowitz | And American bases as disguised here as RAF (Royal Air Force) bases | Apr 26 18:22 |
| trmanco | “They continued to break into university and privately owned computer systems until about 1975. “ | Apr 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes | Apr 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz | They broke the law since childhood | Apr 26 18:22 |
| trmanco | I didn’t know this | Apr 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz | They sabotaged the computers to buy time | Apr 26 18:22 |
| nicks | I see. Well in Serbia microsoft has its office in government building.Sad but true. | Apr 26 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Read http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… | Apr 26 18:23 |
| schestowitz | nicks: makes sense | Apr 26 18:23 |
| schestowitz | There’s lots of intersection |
Apr 26 18:23 |
| schestowitz | AT&T+government: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL-C2a8C-U4 | Apr 26 18:24 |
| schestowitz | AT&T is like some kind of secret agency masquerading and also operating as a company: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/… | Apr 26 18:25 |
| nicks | Well i even think they made conflicker | Apr 26 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Censoring for the government for example, snooping, etc. I don’t know the history of US telecom, but I imagine that there’s staff intersection with people in power and they also lobby and fund candidates (examples in the post re sw patents) | Apr 26 18:26 |
| schestowitz | They don’t need Conficker. FBI has already make CIPAV: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/2… | Apr 26 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Corruption in US ‘justice: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/… | Apr 26 18:29 |
| schestowitz | “PJ: These Hollywood dudes are something else, trying to paint RealNetworks as a “hacker” company. What would they do to you and me, do you suppose? And how unlucky can RealNetworks get to draw as a judge the same one who killed off Napster, which in my view was Hollywood’s best hope for moneymaking in an internet age? If she shares Hollywood’s limited vision, RealNetworks’ hopes, if they have any, probably lie on appeal.” | Apr 26 18:29 |
| nicks | webOS are becoming more popular with every day |
Apr 26 18:29 |
| schestowitz | “Yow, AMD can run their latest at 7GHz. Well, *screw* concurrency then, who needs the pain? Let’s all go back to single-threaded everything.” http://twitter.com/timbray | Apr 26 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe our next PCs will be single core again |
Apr 26 18:30 |
| schestowitz | nicks: OS as in suite of applications? | Apr 26 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Because an OS also needs hardware management | Apr 26 18:30 |
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| nicks | yea but its more like web office then a OS | Apr 26 18:31 |
| amarsh04 | I’ve done kernel builds on the new dual-core machine with CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=64 (-: | Apr 26 18:31 |
| seller_liar | I was thinking | Apr 26 18:31 |
| seller_liar | Google summer of code helps foss software | Apr 26 18:31 |
| seller_liar | but | Apr 26 18:31 |
| seller_liar | but creates more dependency from companies and money because | Apr 26 18:32 |
| amarsh04 | as long as the extra processes don’t get swapped it still goes fine, but takes up a larger percentage of cpu and ram | Apr 26 18:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/20… (Pirate Bay judge denies ‘conflict of interest’) | Apr 26 18:32 |
| trmanco | “Windows [n.] – A thirty-two bit extension and GUI shell to a sixteen bit patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that can’t stand one bit of competition.” | Apr 26 18:32 |
| seller_liar | big and powerful project costs more (maintenance and others) | Apr 26 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Now even judges in Sweden are corrupt |
Apr 26 18:32 |
| nicks | Anyway i still wonder what part Vivendi has in all this…. | Apr 26 18:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: where from? | Apr 26 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Penguin Pete? | Apr 26 18:33 |
| trmanco | no, from that rant | Apr 26 18:34 |
| seller_liar | Powerful compaines with lot of money , have enough money to destroy human integrity | Apr 26 18:34 |
| trmanco | it was a usenet email | Apr 26 18:34 |
| trmanco | -> http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants… | Apr 26 18:34 |
| nicks | I still think WoW wasn’t made just for fun | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | seller_liar: yes, so how do to propose responding? | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Google’s SOC is also a selfish thing | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz | It comes at a price | Apr 26 18:34 |
| trmanco | “Let’s be honest: there’s no such thing as bug-free software. Initial versions of programs may occasionally crash, fail to de-allocate memory, or encounter untested conditions. Developers may overlook security holes, users may do things nobody thought of, and not all systems are identical. Software developers are only human, and they make mistakes now and then. It happens. But of all major software vendors Microsoft has the worst reco | Apr 26 18:35 |
| trmanco | rd by far when it comes to the quality of their products in general.” | Apr 26 18:35 |
| trmanco | another good quote | Apr 26 18:35 |
| seller_liar | schestowitz: I think the foss comunnity is well developed , a lot of software don t need GSoC | Apr 26 18:36 |
| nicks | Windows 7 is buggy as hell. It fails. | Apr 26 18:36 |
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