04.29.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 28th, 2009 – Part 3
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| DaemonFC | uphill both ways | Apr 28 18:21 |
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| _boo_ | i bought some dvd-rw about 2-3 months ago | Apr 28 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | hell, VCRs were $1,000 at one point | Apr 28 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | now you can’t give them away | Apr 28 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | that was only like 25 years ago | Apr 28 18:22 |
| _boo_ | vcrs? | Apr 28 18:22 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC, i live in russia | Apr 28 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | video cassette recorder | Apr 28 18:22 |
| *_boo_ knoweth | Apr 28 18:22 | |
| DaemonFC | VHS tapes | Apr 28 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 28 18:22 |
| _boo_ | like 25 years ago | Apr 28 18:23 |
| _boo_ | i gonna tell ya | Apr 28 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | 210 lines of resolution ftw! | Apr 28 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | w00tage! | Apr 28 18:23 |
| _boo_ | it was all about cassette recorders | Apr 28 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | and BetaMax | Apr 28 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | don’t forget to love Sony | Apr 28 18:23 |
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| DaemonFC | before that was the video disc | Apr 28 18:23 |
| _boo_ | idk what’s dat | Apr 28 18:23 |
| _boo_ | not here then | Apr 28 18:23 |
| _boo_ | people shared films | Apr 28 18:23 |
| _boo_ | idk what’s dat | Apr 28 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | a record that played a movie | Apr 28 18:24 |
| _boo_ | sony??? | Apr 28 18:24 |
| _boo_ | SONNYYY? | Apr 28 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | BetaMax was another magnetic tape format | Apr 28 18:24 |
| _boo_ | it wasn’t popular in russia | Apr 28 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | wasn’t popular here either | Apr 28 18:24 |
| _boo_ | i better buy 1.5tb hdd than hundred of blu-rays | Apr 28 18:24 |
| _boo_ | so betamax wasn’t popular at all | Apr 28 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Apr 28 18:25 |
| _boo_ | nope? | Apr 28 18:25 |
| _boo_ | i saw the logo somewhere | Apr 28 18:25 |
| _boo_ | but i don’t even wanna recall where | Apr 28 18:25 |
| _boo_ | ’cause it doesn’t make sense | Apr 28 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | I think out of the formats my favorite was the LaserDisc | Apr 28 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wik… | Apr 28 18:26 |
| _boo_ | my favourite is dvd-hdd1.5tb | Apr 28 18:26 |
| _boo_ | once burned to never get inserted again | Apr 28 18:26 |
| _boo_ | and in 10 years | Apr 28 18:27 |
| _boo_ | you wonder what was written in there | Apr 28 18:27 |
| _boo_ | but you already know | Apr 28 18:27 |
| _boo_ | and you will even get pleasure from things written in there | Apr 28 18:27 |
| _boo_ | and yeah | Apr 28 18:28 |
| _boo_ | the most funny thing | Apr 28 18:29 |
| _boo_ | it will be LINUX | Apr 28 18:29 |
| _boo_ | you will be reading ntfs_some_old_version | Apr 28 18:29 |
| _boo_ | outdates | Apr 28 18:29 |
| _boo_ | d | Apr 28 18:29 |
| *DaemonFC beats _boo_ over the head with a Russian bootleg copy on Windows Vista | Apr 28 18:29 | |
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| _boo_ | and windows 15 won’t support it anymore | Apr 28 18:29 |
| _boo_ | ’cause they released their shit every half a year now | Apr 28 18:30 |
| _boo_ | as a new version | Apr 28 18:30 |
| _boo_ | but noone bought them | Apr 28 18:30 |
| _boo_ | so you try to reincarnate it with some older linux version with old ntfs-3g | Apr 28 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | Dear Aunt, let’s so set the double killer delete select all | Apr 28 18:31 |
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| _boo_ | that you can only dl with some p2p client | Apr 28 18:31 |
| _boo_ | like e-mule | Apr 28 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch… | Apr 28 18:31 |
| _boo_ | ’cause people love to hate | Apr 28 18:31 |
| _boo_ | wtf, DaemonFC | Apr 28 18:32 |
| _boo_ | it already looks like a grave | Apr 28 18:32 |
| _boo_ | i’m not even watchin that | Apr 28 18:32 |
| _boo_ | i don’t like cemeteries | Apr 28 18:32 |
| _boo_ | and will NEVER EVER VISIT them | Apr 28 18:32 |
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| _boo_ | it’s cemetery all over the place around that sign | Apr 28 18:34 |
| _boo_ | people get calmed | Apr 28 18:34 |
| _boo_ | but they won’t ever fill anything good anywhere it | Apr 28 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX8oY… | Apr 28 18:35 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 28 18:36 |
| _boo_ | DaemonFC it all depends on what kind of speech recognition algorithm you’re on | Apr 28 18:37 |
| _boo_ | one is better with recognition you _the_only_one_ | Apr 28 18:37 |
| _boo_ | the other is too hard and recognizes them all | Apr 28 18:38 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fi… | Apr 28 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | lmfao | Apr 28 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Apr 28 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 removed DreamScene | Apr 28 19:40 |
| schestowitz | GE has just made Bluray obsolete | Apr 28 19:41 |
| schestowitz | 500GB on one CD | Apr 28 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Optimcal | Apr 28 19:41 |
| PetoKraus | ? | Apr 28 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It doesn’t make Blu Ray obsolete | Apr 28 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | you’d have to get the movie industry, software companies, a few big hardware makers, and the retailers to agree that this is what the customer will buy | Apr 28 19:46 |
| DaemonFC |  |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I was exaggerating | Apr 28 20:01 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: my firefox problem is maybe not as severe as I thought. I think it was AIR that leaked my RAM. | Apr 28 20:02 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: why do you have AIR installed then? | Apr 28 20:04 |
| schestowitz | People lose money and now comes *this*? Ban On Online Gambling Could Be Lifted < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20… > | Apr 28 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: there was a program that I tried | Apr 28 20:04 |
| schestowitz | AIR was quite polished on Linux, I’d have to admit | Apr 28 20:04 |
| Balrog | but if it leaks memory it’s not good | Apr 28 20:05 |
| Balrog | and I think it’s proprietary | Apr 28 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Oh, Glyn’s gonna love this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/te… | Apr 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: it is AFAIK | Apr 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | They did some PR | Apr 28 20:07 |
| trmanco | ah, AIR, never tried that app | Apr 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | About a component being OFSS | Apr 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | And there’s some problem for that | Apr 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: not missing anything | Apr 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | I don’t use it anymore | Apr 28 20:07 |
| trmanco | I thik of at as bloat | Apr 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | I was just temped to try something which was recommenede | Apr 28 20:07 |
| trmanco | think* | Apr 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it is | Apr 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz | 200-300MB for a twitter client |
Apr 28 20:08 |
| trmanco | ah ok |
Apr 28 20:08 |
| trmanco | pff | Apr 28 20:08 |
| schestowitz | +leaks (can’t confirm this yet) | Apr 28 20:08 |
| trmanco | even flash has leaks | Apr 28 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 28 20:08 |
| trmanco | huge leaks from time to time, but some people say it fierfox’s problem, whe it’s not | Apr 28 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has many leaks too: http://www.vgchartz.com/photos/pics/8997883aaa.jpg | Apr 28 20:09 |
| trmanco | start firefox and safe-mode and then start browser, if it leaks, then report a bug and then you can say that it’s a firefox memory leak | Apr 28 20:09 |
| trmanco | browsing* | Apr 28 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Safe mode? | Apr 28 20:10 |
| schestowitz | That sounds so…. Windowsy | Apr 28 20:10 |
| trmanco | if you use third party stuff, then you can’t just say the browser sucks because it’s full of leaks… it’s not the browser’s job to manage the third party app’s correctly | Apr 28 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Safe mode=”we know our software is kinda shaky, so we already assume you’ll need a safety net” | Apr 28 20:11 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, it’s a firefox , with no addons kind of thing | Apr 28 20:11 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Apr 28 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it’s more under control now | Apr 28 20:11 |
| trmanco | it should be something like firefox -nudemode | Apr 28 20:11 |
| schestowitz | No AIR piggery | Apr 28 20:11 |
| trmanco | or nakedmode |
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| schestowitz | Does that save all the images in the stash as you go along? | Apr 28 20:12 |
| schestowitz | j/k | Apr 28 20:12 |
| trmanco | hehe, it might | Apr 28 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Apple apologizes over Baby Shaker app < http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/04/… > | Apr 28 20:12 |
| trmanco | I’m not sure, but for that you can use private mode | Apr 28 20:12 |
| trmanco | works great, during a 2 month beta test I made | Apr 28 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Daniel Eran, shilling to make Steve Jobs richer | Apr 28 20:12 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: that’s just a link to the AppleInsider article | Apr 28 20:13 |
| trmanco | mostly nightly build | Apr 28 20:13 |
| trmanco | s | Apr 28 20:13 |
| schestowitz | I don’t understand why people dedicate their lives to help a company with a 300ml/annum PR budget | Apr 28 20:13 |
| Balrog | look at the name: if it’s ‘Prince McLean’ it’s just a news article | Apr 28 20:13 |
| schestowitz | You’d have to be misled or confused | Apr 28 20:13 |
| Balrog | not a real blog post | Apr 28 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I saw that | Apr 28 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Daniel doesn’t write much anymore | Apr 28 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Roughly Drafted mostly sucks now | Apr 28 20:13 |
| schestowitz | It used to be good | Apr 28 20:13 |
| schestowitz | He ran out of material, mostly historical POVs | Apr 28 20:14 |
| Balrog | he must be busy or something | Apr 28 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Apr 28 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I’ll see how long /I/ can go on for. | Apr 28 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I want to do Comes before I turn to something else | Apr 28 20:14 |
| schestowitz | We made Reddit’s front page yesterday. 420k hits in one day, exc. bots. | Apr 28 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Huh? | Apr 28 20:17 |
| schestowitz | HAHAHA! | Apr 28 20:17 |
| schestowitz | In my feed reader: “Firefox 3.5 released” | Apr 28 20:17 |
| schestowitz | In article:” Firefox 3.5 beta released By Sylvie Barak” | Apr 28 20:17 |
| Balrog | yes, it’s 3.5b4 now | Apr 28 20:17 |
| schestowitz | The Inquirer doesn’t keep track of the stuff it’s covering | Apr 28 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, it was corrected by her | Apr 28 20:17 |
| schestowitz | The editor didn’t catch the mistake either. | Apr 28 20:18 |
| schestowitz | As I said, the Inquiere is dying | Apr 28 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Nick Farrel is the main person there now | Apr 28 20:18 |
| schestowitz | *Inquirer | Apr 28 20:18 |
| schestowitz | “Please change the title to Firefox 3.5 beta4 released or Firefox 3.5 beta updated” | Apr 28 20:18 |
| schestowitz | “it’s clear you’re desperate for getting more clicks. “Firefox 3.5 released”. Really?” | Apr 28 20:18 |
| Balrog | … | Apr 28 20:19 |
| schestowitz | The troops are back to work: Ubuntu 9.10 development begins < http://www.heise.de/english/news… > | Apr 28 20:20 |
| schestowitz | The observation about the INQ is intended to show that so-called press and stuff that’s in Google News is very error prone. | Apr 28 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Firefox 3.0.10 fixes critical vulnerability < http://www.heise.de/english/news… > | Apr 28 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Baqlrog: Firefox leaks tons of memory |
Apr 28 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | * Balrog | Apr 28 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately Firefox has the mindshare, so even forking it and fixing it wouldn’t necessarily draw users | Apr 28 20:25 |
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| DaemonFC | and it’s heavily tied in with Mozilla Corp and Google | Apr 28 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | so you have your personal information back on the market | Apr 28 20:25 |
| schestowitz | “An internal document (pdf) of the Global Climate Coalition (GCC) — an industry front group that disbanded in 2002 — reveals that when the group chose to promote doubt about the reality of global warming it was ignoring the views of its own scientific advisers.” http://www.prwatch.org/node/8351 | Apr 28 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | ‘We must destroy the environment in order to save it, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s new campaign against government oversight and what it calls “green tape.”‘ http://www.prwatch.org/node/8353 | Apr 28 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Apr 28 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | “Nuclear power is safe and clean” “Damn those Obama people for not letting us dump all this [totally safe byproduct] in Arizona | Apr 28 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | “It’s not like it has a half life of 10,000 years” | Apr 28 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | “Whats the big deal?” | Apr 28 20:28 |
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| schestowitz | Fascinating news story about how the spin industry helps the ruining of society: http://www.prwatch.org/node/8347 | Apr 28 20:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC:follow the $$ (Ameros) | Apr 28 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | you’re not one of those paranoid delusional Ron Paul types are you? |
Apr 28 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | the “The government is preparing thousands of concentration camps right under our noses” people? | Apr 28 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | The “You’ll get black bagged at 3 AM” people? | Apr 28 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Firefox devs ask navels when to curtail Mac OS support < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/28/firefox_mac_support/ >. Good. They should pay more attention to Linux. | Apr 28 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | if you’re a Good Christian(R) you’ll be persecuted and sent to the gas chambers, don’tcha know? | Apr 28 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | bull fucking shit | Apr 28 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | I’m sorry | Apr 28 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | but that’s all I can say about that | Apr 28 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | they have such a persecution complex | Apr 28 20:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I forgot my smiley face | Apr 28 20:32 |
| schestowitz | The Amero think was a joke | Apr 28 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | I hoped so | Apr 28 20:32 |
| schestowitz | You didn’t know so? | Apr 28 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | there seem to be a lot of people like that | Apr 28 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Well, I know some people who believe that. Some at the gym even believe 911 was an ‘inside job’ | Apr 28 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they’re jsut lous and it makes it seem that way | Apr 28 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | *loud | Apr 28 20:33 |
| schestowitz | There’s too much rubbish out there | Apr 28 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | convenient justification for Bush’s pet project maybe | Apr 28 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | but I doubt they did it | Apr 28 20:34 |
| schestowitz | I like the factual parts | Apr 28 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Like Comes vs Microsoft memos | Apr 28 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Or in others’ case, count of US military bases | Apr 28 20:34 |
| schestowitz | ALl interesting facts | Apr 28 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | I believe Bush was an opportunist and that he took advantage of the situation to justify Iraq | Apr 28 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | but I don’t think it was an inside job | Apr 28 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Me neither, but they didn’t need a disaster | Apr 28 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Like Reichstag burning | Apr 28 20:35 |
| schestowitz | For popular opinion they could just start with the WMoD BS | Apr 28 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Add some gassing of kurd storyline to the mix and you have an angry public | Apr 28 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt many people really ever believed that | Apr 28 20:36 |
| schestowitz | That of course except the racism they created | Apr 28 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | ever heard “In for a penny in for a pound”? | Apr 28 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | that’s how people get with politics | Apr 28 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of people went along with that because they were single issue voters | Apr 28 20:36 |
| schestowitz | As intellectuals say, the outsiders can think of only two things: 1) that USians are so indoctrinated OR 2) they are so racist that they want to just kill any Arab | Apr 28 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | or part of the guns gods and gays crowd | Apr 28 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Guns.. | Apr 28 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Haha | Apr 28 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | they think that they look weak if they don’t fall in line | Apr 28 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Manhood without manhood | Apr 28 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Replacing one’s c*ck with a truck or gun barrel | Apr 28 20:37 |
| schestowitz | I guess watching those Wayne films does this to a person | Apr 28 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | I can’t stand them | Apr 28 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Bush: “…wanted dead or alive…” | Apr 28 20:38 |
| trmanco | karmic is going to be based on linux 2.6.30 | Apr 28 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Bush: “…I say, bring em on!” | Apr 28 20:38 |
| PetoKraus | lol @ phorm in UK | Apr 28 20:38 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: what else? |
Apr 28 20:38 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: did you see the latest? | Apr 28 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Collusion | Apr 28 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I posted about it (BBC) | Apr 28 20:39 |
| PetoKraus | schestowitz: yeah, just reading the /. article | Apr 28 20:39 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I was thought it would be 2.6.29 | Apr 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: Microsoft ropes in EDS to punt online services < http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2… > | Apr 28 20:39 |
| trmanco | -was | Apr 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Phuck Phorm | Apr 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Losses at Unisys run into Q1 < http://www.theregister.co.uk/20… > Zombie company… like MS in 5 years a from now, hopefully. | Apr 28 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I remember when Unisys was quite massive | Apr 28 20:41 |
| trmanco | just look how fast Ubuntu people push security fixes -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archive… | Apr 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Register: “Mozilla releases final Firefox 3.5 beta” | Apr 28 20:41 |
| trmanco | less then 24 hours to get firefox 3.10 into the repos |
Apr 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | What does FINAL beta mean? | Apr 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | It’s pointless to say so | Apr 28 20:41 |
| trmanco | hmm, weird | Apr 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva is at 3.0.8 still | Apr 28 20:42 |
| trmanco | that’s weird too | Apr 28 20:42 |
| trmanco | maybe they need a little reminder? | Apr 28 20:42 |
| schestowitz | IBM is buying its own shares. “Stacks $6.7bn for share buybacks” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2… | Apr 28 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Yay. Microsoft’s FAT is being re-examined for prior art to be found, Maybe OIN kept a promise. | Apr 28 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva is not doing real well | Apr 28 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | they pushed back 2009.1 a few weeks and they’ve gotten sloppy with backports | Apr 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/op… | Apr 28 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | cause they fired all those people | Apr 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I’ll write about it in BN quickly | Apr 28 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | and Red Hat scooped a few of them up |
Apr 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: two that I know of | Apr 28 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva is falling apart | Apr 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva does OK | Apr 28 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | they even have bugs in their installers anymore | Apr 28 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Their latest distro got OK reviews | Apr 28 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | that can even stop you from getting it installed | Apr 28 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I’ll show you if you are not convinced | Apr 28 20:47 |
| schestowitz | They just don’t have AlanW to advertise it | Apr 28 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | oh, it just depends on your hardware config | Apr 28 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 28 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Trust me, it’s OK | Apr 28 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | and several other things | Apr 28 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | but I call those Mandriva bugs | Apr 28 20:47 |
| schestowitz | They have paying cutopmers | Apr 28 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Russian govt. | Apr 28 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | cause they only really ever hit me when I try to load Mandriva | Apr 28 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Where MS is now dumping/bribing | Apr 28 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva does KDE very well | Apr 28 20:48 |
| *schestowitz uses Mandriva right now | Apr 28 20:48 | |
| DaemonFC | I wasn’t real thrilled with their KDE | Apr 28 20:48 |
| schestowitz | └─(20:48 $)─> uptime | Apr 28 20:48 |
| schestowitz | 20:48:27 up 55 days, 6:06, 2 users, load average: 0.64, 0.77, 0.79 | Apr 28 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | but I doubt anyone has put out a KDE 4.anything I want to use | Apr 28 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Apr 28 20:48 |
| schestowitz | You need to customise it | Apr 28 20:48 |
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| schestowitz | I can send you advise | Apr 28 20:49 |
| schestowitz | You can assimilate it to other desktops | Apr 28 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | I’ve tried, usually a bug in KDE or at least what a distro does to it stops me | Apr 28 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Lencelot+some setting chnanges | Apr 28 20:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: then wait for longer | Apr 28 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | I think last time it was mounting CDs that infuriated me | Apr 28 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | and then trying to rip them | Apr 28 20:49 |
| schestowitz | My Mandriva is only a year old | Apr 28 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Still some time for patches ahead | Apr 28 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s TomTom patents under scrutiny < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/2… > | Apr 28 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | didn’t they already agree to pay? | Apr 28 20:52 |
| trmanco | Wired.com Blogs Migrate to WordPress: http://publisherblog.automattic.com/200… | Apr 28 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | meh, no matter what OS I use on my PCs I always wait for a service pack or at least give it a couple weeks for some last minute patches to land | Apr 28 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | all kinds of bad stuff can happen to people that get it on launch day |
Apr 28 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | let everyone else have crashes and all other kinds of bugs | Apr 28 21:03 |
| trmanco | that depends | Apr 28 21:04 |
| schestowitz | The gist about OIN fighting back against Microsoft patents (those used against TomTom): http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/2… | Apr 28 21:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, but MS wants to go knocking on each door demanding money | Apr 28 21:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Hotmail blocking GMX mail for some in Europe < http://blogs.zdnet.com/mic… >. In absence of Windows botnets, problem would not exist. | Apr 28 21:11 |
| trmanco | http://www.openoffice.org/dev_doc… | Apr 28 21:12 |
| trmanco | I use GMX | Apr 28 21:12 |
| schestowitz | The Mono people started attacking me personally now | Apr 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Calling me serial liar and stuff… | Apr 28 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Desperate | Apr 28 21:14 |
| Balrog | …url? | Apr 28 21:14 |
| schestowitz | I’d have to look for it again | Apr 28 21:14 |
| trmanco | eBay restricting Webslices to MSIE users, trashing Firefox users: http://www.glazman.org/weblog/dotcle… | Apr 28 21:16 |
| Balrog | trmanco: I heard that Webslices is based on IE8 extensions | Apr 28 21:17 |
| trmanco | based? | Apr 28 21:17 |
| Balrog | they were advertising that if you upgrade to IE8 you can take advantage of webslices | Apr 28 21:18 |
| trmanco | IE is closed, how can it be based on it | Apr 28 21:18 |
| Balrog | this was back when IE8 just became beta | Apr 28 21:18 |
| Balrog | I meant it relies on IE8 specific tags | Apr 28 21:18 |
| trmanco | ok I’m drunk | Apr 28 21:18 |
| trmanco | I thought you were referring to firefox’s webchunks | Apr 28 21:18 |
| Balrog | http://ie8.ebay.com/ | Apr 28 21:18 |
| Balrog | no … :/ | Apr 28 21:19 |
| Balrog | they should implement that | Apr 28 21:19 |
| trmanco | sorry for the misinterpretation | Apr 28 21:19 |
| Balrog | I hear they are, but it’s not widely known | Apr 28 21:19 |
| trmanco | yeah, the webchunks dev/devs will try to make it compatible if they can | Apr 28 21:20 |
| Balrog | ah. webchunks is webslices for firefox | Apr 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Both Google and Microsoft should be KEPT OUT of people’s heath records. I don’t understand why companies are given national assets… Consumer Group Goes After Google Over Health Lobbying < http://www.paidcontent.org/en… > | Apr 28 21:20 |
| schestowitz | This is corporate fascism | Apr 28 21:20 |
| Balrog | they’re probably using the browser type | Apr 28 21:20 |
| Balrog | hrm, maybe not :/ | Apr 28 21:21 |
| Balrog | though the webchunks dev is working on it | Apr 28 21:21 |
| schestowitz | WT# is Intel doing? Ihttp://blogs.computerworld.com/is_i… (Is Intel trying to squash Linux netbooks? ) | Apr 28 21:24 |
| Balrog | they’re afraid of arm | Apr 28 21:26 |
| schestowitz | When trademarks too go sick (like sw pats): Using Trademark To ‘Privatize The English Language’ < http://techdirt.com/articles… > | Apr 28 21:27 |
| trmanco | nice image -> http://boycottnovell.com/wp-cont… | Apr 28 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: : about Mono people, the short story is, Jo hates me and he smears the person with SELECTIVE bits among 6000+ posts | Apr 28 21:29 |
| schestowitz | There’s too much ‘stuff’ they can charry pick to discredit | Apr 28 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I posted like 50k messages in USENET, 14k comments in Digg, 6000 posts in BN and so on. They string together what suits them to discredit. Heck, they can pick from IRC too |
Apr 28 21:30 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: thanks | Apr 28 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I can do one with your face, TOO !! | Apr 28 21:31 |
| trmanco | no, please don’t … I might not look great with a penguin body |
Apr 28 21:32 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russian, penguin Photogimps ballmer | Apr 28 21:32 |
| schestowitz | I can never type Russia for some reason | Apr 28 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | I ALWAYS type down “russian”. I don’t understand why. | Apr 28 21:32 |
| trmanco | hehe | Apr 28 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Like 10 times this year | Apr 28 21:33 |
| trmanco | wtf -> Europe funds search for secure operating system: http://www.computerworlduk.com… | Apr 28 21:33 |
| Balrog | Jo …? | Apr 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Jo Shills | Apr 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | aka Jo Shields | Apr 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | He shills for Mono in Debian and Ubuntu | Apr 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, I posted it to COLA | Apr 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | omg linux is obsolete !1 | Apr 28 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | Masnick wrote about the UK too (no ID cards): http://techdirt.com/articl… | Apr 28 21:34 |
| trmanco | he also is one of the packagers for mono | Apr 28 21:35 |
| schestowitz | He is | Apr 28 21:35 |
| schestowitz | shills is not his formal title  |
Apr 28 21:35 |
| schestowitz | *shill | Apr 28 21:35 |
| Balrog | why keep funding minix? | Apr 28 21:35 |
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| trmanco | Microsoft To Embrace And Extend Twitter, Facebook: http://www.crn.com/software… | Apr 28 21:45 |
| trmanco | and then extinguish | Apr 28 21:45 |
| trmanco | Office 2007 SP2 is released, can indeed save ODF by default: http://www.betanews.com/article/Office-… | Apr 28 21:46 |
| Balrog | released! That’s big. | Apr 28 21:48 |
| Balrog | no more need for the Sun ODF Plugin! | Apr 28 21:49 |
| trmanco | http://www.h-online.com/open/Kernel-Log-… | Apr 28 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Parody about OIN’s press release: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… | Apr 28 21:55 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: trollish Kevin McLaughlin headline | Apr 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Not news | Apr 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Just another attempt from MS to assimilate | Apr 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Worked against ICQ maybe | Apr 28 21:56 |
| trmanco | which link? | Apr 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Not against WEB SITES | Apr 28 21:56 |
| trmanco | ah | Apr 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yeah, you got it | Apr 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | They tried to rip odd Digg | Apr 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | They bombed | Apr 28 21:56 |
| schestowitz | The sites was a disaster | Apr 28 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Probably died quietly by now | Apr 28 21:57 |
| schestowitz | So just ingore it | Apr 28 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Unless it’s dead, then kick it. Like Zune ! |
Apr 28 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft just wants people to write about stuff that HAS NOT FAILED YET. It’s free publicity | Apr 28 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Wait until it becomes a laughing stock like Hotmail, then write about it | Apr 28 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Vis a vis…….Microsoft Hotmail blocking GMX mail for some in Europe http://blogs.zdnet.com/micros… | Apr 28 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Someone E-mailed me this: Film Director Slams Microsoft as ‘Non-Talent Friendly’ < http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/04/… > | Apr 28 21:58 |
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| trmanco | Apple is sued after pressuring open source iTunes project: http://www.itworld.com/open-source/67035/… | Apr 28 22:00 |
| schestowitz | EFF? | Apr 28 22:01 |
| schestowitz | If so, I wrote about it | Apr 28 22:01 |
| trmanco | what do you mean by EFF? | Apr 28 22:02 |
| Balrog | well, someone at hymn project said that apple is using fairplay for signing the itunesdb | Apr 28 22:04 |
| Balrog | but fairplay has been cracked for a long time already | Apr 28 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: is the EFF involved? | Apr 28 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Because someone wrote about it | Apr 28 22:13 |
| Balrog | yes, the EFF is suing apple | Apr 28 22:25 |
| Balrog | it’s all over the place | Apr 28 22:25 |
| Balrog | I hope apple recognizes this is futile and backs down | Apr 28 22:25 |
| Balrog | <http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2009/04/27> | Apr 28 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Good. | Apr 28 22:28 |
| Balrog | if they’re using the same algorithm for signing the db and for encrypting music, that’s their problem | Apr 28 22:29 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: you know there’s a working drm stripping tool for itunes currently? | Apr 28 22:30 |
| Balrog | (and it’s foss too) | Apr 28 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Who needs DRM in the first place? | Apr 28 22:31 |
| schestowitz | People whom Apple locks in using DMCA? | Apr 28 22:31 |
| Balrog | not on music or video ….. | Apr 28 22:32 |
| Balrog | app drm is more controversial because independent developers get mad when people ‘pirate’ | Apr 28 22:32 |
| Balrog | well some of them do | Apr 28 22:32 |
| Balrog | it’s rather useless anyway … gdb easily removes the drm | Apr 28 22:33 |
| Balrog | |
Apr 28 22:33 |
| MinceR | has ballmer made a statement on the .net/mono patent trap? | Apr 28 22:36 |
| schestowitz | “I predicted the death of MySQL. I wrote all that, but I didn’t file it. Maybe I thought that if I didn’t, it wouldn’t come true. I truly hope it doesn’t. Time will tell.” http://www.infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it… | Apr 28 22:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not Ballmer | Apr 28 22:38 |
| schestowitz | He’s a car salesman. | Apr 28 22:38 |
| schestowitz | He doesn’t understand technical stuff | Apr 28 22:38 |
| MinceR | has anyone else from m$? | Apr 28 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes, many | Apr 28 22:44 |
| schestowitz | The Mono fans are like those 3 monkeys | Apr 28 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I showed it to them | Apr 28 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Mono response: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/28/t… | Apr 28 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Even When You Have a Choice, Recycling E-Waste Beats Dumping It < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley… > | Apr 28 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Boring today…… let’s check TuxMachines | Apr 28 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Obama’s Search for ‘Copyright Czar’ Continues < http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/ob… > Lessig? RMS? Wait and watch Biden making a p[r]ick. | Apr 28 22:47 |
| schestowitz | H-P’s new laptops are saddled with Ballnux http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.p… http://ostatic.com/blog/hp-is-putting-… | Apr 28 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla Delivers Firefox 3.5, Beta 4, and It’s Snappy < http://ostatic.com/blog/mozilla-delivers… > | Apr 28 22:56 |
| schestowitz | An Open Letter to Larry Ellison about OpenOffice.org < http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffi… > | Apr 28 22:57 |
| MinceR | “Nobody looks at me weird for explaining what it is: 10 years after Sun started making StarOffice available. This is bad.” | Apr 28 22:59 |
| MinceR | i don’t understand this train of thought. | Apr 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 28 22:59 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I read your first line | Apr 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Then though, WHAT? | Apr 28 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Maybe she meant the opposite | Apr 28 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Creating an invoicing system with OpenOffice.org < http://blog.worldlabel.com/2009/creatin… > | Apr 28 23:00 |
| MinceR | |
Apr 28 23:00 |
| schestowitz | OOo is not for me anyway | Apr 28 23:00 |
| schestowitz | I’m a Latex person | Apr 28 23:00 |
| MinceR | so am i, except for spreadsheets | Apr 28 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 28 23:00 |
| schestowitz | beat me to it! | Apr 28 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Cause I do slides in latex also | Apr 28 23:01 |
| schestowitz | KSpread for sheets | Apr 28 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Unless I need graphing | Apr 28 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva clarifies the Microsoft/Mandriva situation (there is none): Mandriva and Microsoft < http://club.mandriva.com/xwiki… > | Apr 28 23:03 |
| MinceR | i use gnumeric for spreadsheets | Apr 28 23:03 |
| schestowitz | If it works, it works. But, but… no ribbon… no need for 500 MB of run (+preloader for cache)? | Apr 28 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Let me find something | Apr 28 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Actually, I’d need to fetch it from Groklaw | Apr 28 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Something from CRN about Microsoft partners admitting that people get all that they need in simpler office suites | Apr 28 23:05 |
| schestowitz | EVEN THEY admit this | Apr 28 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I think of the Naked Emperor | Apr 28 23:05 |
| schestowitz | The legend of the indispensable Microsoft Office. | Apr 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Of the intuitive/familiar/easy Windows GUI(tubby) | Apr 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | *Or | Apr 28 23:06 |
| schestowitz | The Oracle open source credibility gap < http://blogs.zdnet.com/… > Blakenhorn has not trolled FOSS for a long time. I can forgive him almost… pardon phase |
Apr 28 23:07 |
| trmanco | twitter is down | Apr 28 23:07 |
| trmanco | but the api section doesn’t seem to | Apr 28 23:07 |
| trmanco | the api is also offline | Apr 28 23:09 |
| trmanco | Twitter is over capacity. | Apr 28 23:10 |
| trmanco | Too many tweets! Please wait a moment and try again. | Apr 28 23:10 |
| trmanco | ah, at least I get this, for now | Apr 28 23:10 |
| schestowitz | This one spin’s Java’s lead against it, using the shills: http://www.linuxinsider.com/rss… | Apr 28 23:11 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Linux overload at least | Apr 28 23:11 |
| schestowitz | What distro do they use? | Apr 28 23:11 |
| trmanco | back online, but slow | Apr 28 23:11 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, not sure | Apr 28 23:12 |
| trmanco | I don’t even know if they use linux | Apr 28 23:12 |
| trmanco | Server: hi | Apr 28 23:12 |
| trmanco |  |
Apr 28 23:12 |
| trmanco | they even obscure there webserver | Apr 28 23:13 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, apache and linux | Apr 28 23:16 |
| trmanco | don’t ask which distro, I don’t know yet | Apr 28 23:16 |
| schestowitz | If it’s not RHEL, expansion is cheap | Apr 28 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Digg used Debian | Apr 28 23:17 |
| trmanco | used, and uses | Apr 28 23:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/04/27/the-… I had to redo my mixing today because my amplifier went titsup, so I have just 2 speakers left (my stereo) | Apr 28 23:17 |
| schestowitz | GNOME mixer looks neat | Apr 28 23:18 |
| schestowitz | but KDE and Qt always outdo it in my eyes | Apr 28 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | that would be adam williamson’s website | Apr 28 23:18 |
| trmanco | just wait until gnome 3.0 |
Apr 28 23:18 |
| schestowitz | GNOME makes me feel stupid sometimes when I use it. Sort of like Linus once said it…. | Apr 28 23:18 |
| trmanco | have you seen screencasts about it? | Apr 28 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | I’m waiting til 2009.1 to put that on the computer I’m giving my brother | Apr 28 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | |
Apr 28 23:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, he’s in Red Hat now. Nice man. | Apr 28 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of Mandriva | Apr 28 23:18 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: well, not Mandriva | Apr 28 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I know | Apr 28 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Althougn Mandriva wrote about Adam’s disclaimer | Apr 28 23:19 |
| schestowitz | About MS and Mandriva | Apr 28 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | but I wouldn’t put Fedora on a system meant for a human being | Apr 28 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | |
Apr 28 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 28 23:19 |
| trmanco | http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShel… | Apr 28 23:19 |
| schestowitz | It’s good that nothing came out from the Manbo infection vector (RPM with Microsoft’s grubby hands) | Apr 28 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | ??? | Apr 28 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Never mind, old story | Apr 28 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is a bit too technical for most people, it’s easy to run into trouble | Apr 28 23:20 |
| trmanco | Fedora is always bleeding edge | Apr 28 23:20 |
| schestowitz | It’s targeted for a particular crowd | Apr 28 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | yes, and there are always lots of bugs | Apr 28 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | usually nothing that munches your data | Apr 28 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | but certainly some pains in the ass | Apr 28 23:21 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft burns down with its patents, that’ll speed things up for Fedora desktops | Apr 28 23:21 |
| schestowitz | This quarter, MS’ profits were down 32% | Apr 28 23:21 |
| trmanco | I don’t really like rpm’s though | Apr 28 23:21 |
| schestowitz | So they go down at a good steady pace | Apr 28 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Kickbacks (bribes) of netbooks-making OEMs is not cheap | Apr 28 23:22 |
| trmanco | they are a bit slower compared to debian’s packages | Apr 28 23:22 |
| trmanco | IMO | Apr 28 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I just install things in desktop 7 | Apr 28 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | I hate building RPMs, but passive consumers of them shouldn’t notice a lot of difference between that and DEB packages | Apr 28 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Then I move away from it | Apr 28 23:22 |
| schestowitz | So I forget about this stuff | Apr 28 23:22 |
| schestowitz | OOo updates can take a while | Apr 28 23:22 |
| schestowitz | 100+ MB | Apr 28 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | Most distros pull from Go-OO anymore | Apr 28 23:23 |
| trmanco | the dependency resolving part is slower than DEBs | Apr 28 23:23 |
| trmanco | which distros either than ballnux use go oo? | Apr 28 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Debian | Apr 28 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu | Apr 28 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva | Apr 28 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | maybe Fedora, not sure about them though | Apr 28 23:24 |
| trmanco | I’ve heard that OOo may be leading into a different direction | Apr 28 23:24 |
| trmanco | DaemonFC, I don’t see any go oo branding | Apr 28 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | they change it | Apr 28 23:24 |
| schestowitz | ESR owned! “Error establishing a database connection” http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=932 just load issue |
Apr 28 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | but it is Go-OO | Apr 28 23:24 |
| trmanco | and the packages still say openoffice.org | Apr 28 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 28 23:24 |
| trmanco | and the descriptions still are openoffice.org | Apr 28 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Apr 28 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | they change it to say it’s OpenOffice.org | Apr 28 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Also Sun logo | Apr 28 23:25 |
| trmanco | so how can that be go-oo | Apr 28 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Even in Ubuntu (older versions) | Apr 28 23:25 |
| trmanco | thats shit | Apr 28 23:25 |
| trmanco | I though I was using the original | Apr 28 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | they change the branding, but the compiled source is Go-OO | Apr 28 23:25 |
| trmanco | are you guys sure about this? | Apr 28 23:25 |
| schestowitz | ESR’s apprent attack on RMS is producing errors: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=932 | Apr 28 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | absolutely | Apr 28 23:25 |
| schestowitz | ibiblio even | Apr 28 23:25 |
| trmanco | any proof? | Apr 28 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw worrks | Apr 28 23:25 |
| trmanco | I mean real proof | Apr 28 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Let ESR stick to his guns, literally | Apr 28 23:25 |
| trmanco | proof at source code level | Apr 28 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | 1. It’s in their Bazaar commenting | Apr 28 23:26 |
| trmanco | I’ll have a peak on launchpad | Apr 28 23:26 |
| schestowitz | It’s common knolwdge | Apr 28 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | 2. The developers will tell you if you ask | Apr 28 23:26 |
| trmanco | yeah I’ll check that | Apr 28 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Desktop Linux: Where Art Thou? < http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm… > | Apr 28 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | I always tell people that have a problem with CDDL to stop using Mozilla stuff | Apr 28 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | cause it was ased on the MPL | Apr 28 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | based that is | Apr 28 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | If you use Firefox binaries, then you actually agree to be bound by three things | Apr 28 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | GPL/LGPL, MPL, and the Mozilla End User License Agreement | Apr 28 23:28 |
| trmanco | * Resynchronise with ooo-build-3-0-1 (0eebe32b70e8f54605f474f26cd50c8b3ccf845c). | Apr 28 23:29 |
| trmanco | |
Apr 28 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | the latter disqualifies Firefox as free software | Apr 28 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | and the MPL is free software but can’t be linked to GPL | Apr 28 23:29 |
| trmanco | ooo-build? | Apr 28 23:29 |
| trmanco | I’ll check this better tomorrow, time for a good night sleep, cya | Apr 28 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | from what I can gather it’s based on OOO with some Go-OO patches | Apr 28 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | including Go-OO’s OOXML filters | Apr 28 23:31 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: here’s one to investigate: The Wire: Ubuntu Launch Week, CD Request Site Signs Off…For Now < http://www.linuxcauldron.com/?p=664 > | Apr 28 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | besides, I know they applied the I/O performance patches | Apr 28 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | cause OOO is slow as shit | Apr 28 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | to start up | Apr 28 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | the CD request site is useless to me anyway | Apr 28 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | they stopped distributing my arch | Apr 28 23:32 |
| trmanco | time to reduce costs? | Apr 28 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | (X86-64) | Apr 28 23:32 |
| trmanco | ah, patches | Apr 28 23:32 |
| trmanco | so it’s not the hole go-oo repo | Apr 28 23:32 |
| trmanco | I’m out … | Apr 28 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.technospot.net/blogs/how-to… | Apr 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu becomes SUPER OS: http://www.downloadtube.com… | Apr 28 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | How to fuck over your Vista, part 1 | Apr 28 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | disable services with msconfig is a real bad idea | Apr 28 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | |
Apr 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz | msconfig | Apr 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | I remember toying with it in win98 | Apr 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | that’s still around, eh? | Apr 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Does it still need ‘hidden’ entry? | Apr 28 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Apr 28 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | it’s also in Windows 7 | Apr 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft WIndows | Apr 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | With dark alleys | Apr 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | And secret back doors | Apr 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz | See if you find CIPAV compatibility | Apr 28 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | Antivirus companies actually go their way in Vista SP1 and reduced security in Windows | Apr 28 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: we make it easier for you | Apr 28 23:39 |
| schestowitz | We hide diagnosis tools | Apr 28 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | they were bitching cause Microsoft had “Patch Guard” on the 64-bit kernel, which refuses to let anything into the kernel | Apr 28 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Then, when you encouter issue | Apr 28 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | they were getting ready to sue MS for locking them out of the kernel as well | Apr 28 23:40 |
| schestowitz | We’ll have some engineer halgf way across the world asking you to open a command line | Apr 28 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Hiding complexity does not always means eliminating it | Apr 28 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: My point is if they let antivirus have access into the kernel | Apr 28 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | doesn’t that also let viruses in? | Apr 28 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | meh, the way I remember it though they found undocumented ways to hook their antivirus into the kernel and Microsoft simply gave them a documented API with SP1 | Apr 28 23:41 |
| schestowitz | This guy tried Ubuntu. then Mandriva, than PCLOS: PCLinuxOS comes to my rescue < http://webhead.blog.co.uk/2009/04/27/pcl… > | Apr 28 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | PC Linux OS is an incompetent Mandriva fork | Apr 28 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | but last time I tried it was 2006 | Apr 28 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | so who knows? | Apr 28 23:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, some people don’t know this | Apr 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Mandriva is great | Apr 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | PCLOS is well, just inheriting lots | Apr 28 23:48 |
| schestowitz | But it adds lots of stuff driva’ won’t include | Apr 28 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | the guy forked it, then countn’t maintain the fork | Apr 28 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | so he reforked it | Apr 28 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/04/02/w… | Apr 28 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft responds to the fact that Windows mEdia Player 12 blocks third party codecs | Apr 28 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | calls everyone that wants them pirates | Apr 28 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Apr 28 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | “As we move toward the release of Windows 7, we have worked to add more codecs and file types to allow for a better user experience. We also allow Microsoft experiences to use codecs and other format technologies from third-party companies, just as we always have. Third party applications can use the Microsoft codecs or their own. Microsoft does not restrict the use of third-party codecs. – Microsoft Spokesperson” | Apr 28 23:51 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The only performance tweaks slated for Windows 7 are also in Vista SP2 and Windows Server 2008 R2 | Apr 28 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Apr 28 23:56 |
| schestowitz | They’ll have Vista still to maintain | Apr 28 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Patches and all | Apr 28 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Less engineers, sinking profits. | Apr 28 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Not goodf. | Apr 28 23:58 |
| schestowitz | They’ll carry on cutting down divisions like Cringely suggested | Apr 28 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Until only a few products of substance remain | Apr 28 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I was comparing Windows 7 features and kernel tweaks and such and pretty much everything slated for Windows 7 is being backported to Vista either in SP2 or stand alone updates | Apr 28 23:59 |
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