03.06.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 6th, 2009 – Part 3
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| PetoKraus | but they use some proprietary retarded version of cisco vpn | Mar 06 18:22 |
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| Balrog | ew.  |
Mar 06 18:22 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes, similar stuff though | Mar 06 18:22 |
| Balrog | will it work with mobile embedded devices (android, iphone, etc)? | Mar 06 18:22 |
| PetoKraus | which does not work on amd64 | Mar 06 18:22 |
| Balrog | if not, then it’s useless to me | Mar 06 18:23 |
| PetoKraus | Balrog: i doubt it | Mar 06 18:23 |
| Balrog | I’d complain big-time | Mar 06 18:23 |
| PetoKraus | then, the desktops are running XP with this zenworks shite | Mar 06 18:23 |
| PetoKraus | they are decent PC’s, pentium 4′s | Mar 06 18:23 |
| PetoKraus | BUT slowed down insanely | Mar 06 18:23 |
| Balrog | that’s not good. They’re running everything on the server | Mar 06 18:23 |
| Balrog | xenapp works like X-forwarding, you could say | Mar 06 18:24 |
| PetoKraus | they are supposed to be running most of the critical apps on the server | Mar 06 18:24 |
| Balrog | only it’s more messy and terribly done | Mar 06 18:24 |
| PetoKraus | but they aren’t | Mar 06 18:24 |
| PetoKraus | i mean | Mar 06 18:24 |
| PetoKraus | you have to load your profile every time, it takes like 5 minutes from login to get into working state | Mar 06 18:25 |
| PetoKraus | all the apps which could be running on remote server, like printer daemon or so | Mar 06 18:25 |
| PetoKraus | so it checks if you have enough credit to print | Mar 06 18:25 |
| Balrog | windows is like that here with profiles. But if you keep the profile small, it will work right | Mar 06 18:25 |
| PetoKraus | runs with a local client | Mar 06 18:25 |
| PetoKraus | so it sends an app | Mar 06 18:25 |
| PetoKraus | *sends a doc | Mar 06 18:25 |
| Balrog | here they use printers with local linux-based client-boxes that process ID, payment, andall | Mar 06 18:25 |
| PetoKraus | then it has to wait in the queue | Mar 06 18:25 |
| Balrog | s/andall/and\ all | Mar 06 18:26 |
| PetoKraus | and then it figures out you don’t have enough credit | Mar 06 18:26 |
| PetoKraus | NO notification | Mar 06 18:26 |
| PetoKraus | it just does not print | Mar 06 18:26 |
| Balrog | credit here is handled at the linux box attached to the printer | Mar 06 18:26 |
| Balrog | bbl | Mar 06 18:26 |
| PetoKraus | then there’s this RETARDED system which the folks are using internally | Mar 06 18:26 |
| PetoKraus | we’ve got moodle | Mar 06 18:27 |
| PetoKraus | which is complete, perfect | Mar 06 18:27 |
| PetoKraus | every department has it’s own page | Mar 06 18:27 |
| PetoKraus | which is still okay | Mar 06 18:27 |
| PetoKraus | there is websurf, which is registry admin thing, which is still okay | Mar 06 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Satyam evaporates: http://www.pcworld.com/article/160819/s… | Mar 06 18:28 |
| PetoKraus | but then, half of the departments dont use these facilities and have something else and more retarded | Mar 06 18:28 |
| PetoKraus | which doesn’t link to the other systems | Mar 06 18:29 |
| PetoKraus | therefore there’s dual/tripple enrolling for a course | Mar 06 18:29 |
| PetoKraus | just because they are lazy to sync it | Mar 06 18:29 |
| PetoKraus | and then there are these typical annoying things like | Mar 06 18:29 |
| schestowitz | IDC is reporting on IDC figures using its media arm, IDG: http://www.pcworld.com/article/1608… | Mar 06 18:30 |
| PetoKraus | using photo-quality inkjet printer for plotting 1st and 2nd year student’s graphs | Mar 06 18:30 |
| PetoKraus | which could be done with equal, or even better, efficiency on a printer of 1/10th of the cost | Mar 06 18:30 |
| schestowitz | That’s like Fox news reporting the news about Murdoch | Mar 06 18:30 |
| PetoKraus | BUT, you have to use floppies to transfer data to the printer machine | Mar 06 18:30 |
| PetoKraus | because they are not networked | Mar 06 18:30 |
| PetoKraus | and the USB’s are expensive | Mar 06 18:31 |
| PetoKraus | ie no money left because they bought that badass printer | Mar 06 18:31 |
| PetoKraus | re. tar. ded. | Mar 06 18:32 |
| schestowitz | GASP | Mar 06 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is almost beloe $15 now | Mar 06 18:32 |
| PetoKraus | right, let’s start working | Mar 06 18:33 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : what is going on with Murdoch? | Mar 06 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Google might soon be worth more than MSFT | Mar 06 18:37 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: he admits catastrophic effect of global warming | Mar 06 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Wall Street Beat: Nasdaq Closes in on New Recession Low < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160817/… > Dow @ less than half of all-time high | Mar 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Google Share of China Search Market Inches up in 2008 < http://www.pcworld.com/article/160818/g… > | Mar 06 18:39 |
| _Hicham_ | the stock exchange is really going bad | Mar 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | No wonder MSFT is scared to death of Linux, which runs Google | Mar 06 18:39 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: tax revolt looming | Mar 06 18:40 |
| _Hicham_ | M$ is gonna buy their OS to Google | Mar 06 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Sell? | Mar 06 18:43 |
| balzac | buy from? | Mar 06 18:44 |
| MinceR | it’s not really selling if you’re paying :> | Mar 06 18:44 |
| MinceR | i think _Hicham_ means that m$ would pay google for google to use their sw | Mar 06 18:44 |
| MinceR | i doubt m$ can afford that though | Mar 06 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Improbable | Mar 06 18:45 |
| schestowitz | it’s Gates’ ‘baby’; | Mar 06 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Ugly baby, but still… a child | Mar 06 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Badly designed from the get-go, copied in places from Real Systems | Mar 06 18:45 |
| MinceR | that baby is so ugly it was kept on a leash | Mar 06 18:45 |
| balzac | Someone needs to tell Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer “It’s okay to cry. It’s okay to let go of the past.” | Mar 06 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Then added some anti-competitive Goo (not Google) like ActiveX and INTERN~1 | Mar 06 18:46 |
| MinceR | i’d gladly let go of gates and ballmer | Mar 06 18:46 |
| schestowitz | iexplor~1.exe | Mar 06 18:46 |
| MinceR | let them out of this world, so to speak | Mar 06 18:46 |
| schestowitz | House arrest? | Mar 06 18:46 |
| MinceR | not exactly | Mar 06 18:47 |
| balzac | Their era has come and gone. | Mar 06 18:47 |
| MinceR | they haven’t paid for their sins though | Mar 06 18:47 |
| balzac | They should join Second Life | Mar 06 18:47 |
| schestowitz | “But this is going to end as all tragedies must, with tears. Steve Ballmer is getting taken for the biggest ride of his life, and one day he’s going to find himself dumped out of the limo by the side of the road wondering what happened.” http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2007 | Mar 06 18:47 |
| balzac | hehe | Mar 06 18:49 |
| balzac | Blankenhorn and I are on the same page – Microsoft tears. | Mar 06 18:50 |
| balzac | Microsoft tears: Crisp, sweet, satisfying. | Mar 06 18:50 |
| trmanco | yo guys know that secunia crap news that came out today about FF | Mar 06 18:50 |
| trmanco | do* | Mar 06 18:50 |
| trmanco | It would be nice to ask if the counted the ActiveX vulns on IE… cause it really doesn’t look like they did this, and IE without ActiveX is more that the crap it already is | Mar 06 18:51 |
| trmanco | they* | Mar 06 18:51 |
| schestowitz | IE bugs can’t be counted | Mar 06 18:51 |
| trmanco | brb | Mar 06 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hides them | Mar 06 18:51 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, yes | Mar 06 18:51 |
| trmanco | thought about that too | Mar 06 18:51 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/… | Mar 06 18:52 |
| MinceR | microsoft tears aren’t nearly as sweet as microsoft blood and microsoft screams of agony. | Mar 06 18:55 |
| MinceR | they obviously didn’t count the RadioActiveX vulnerabilities on IE, iirc their number exceeds that of the listed IE bugs | Mar 06 18:55 |
| schestowitz | They also count WIndows-only FF flaws | Mar 06 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Many flaws in FF apply only to Windows | Mar 06 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I.e. they are inherited from IE (and bad underlying design) | Mar 06 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Affero Gnu Public License (AGPLv3) for LingPipe 4.0? < http://lingpipe-blog.com/2009/03/04/a… > | Mar 06 18:57 |
| balzac | that sounds like some interesting software | Mar 06 18:58 |
| balzac | though I’m more interested in LISP for that kind of program | Mar 06 18:58 |
| schestowitz | http://sev.prnewswire.com/in… It has just occurred to me that Microsoft is now polluting Apache with Microsoft employees | Mar 06 18:58 |
| balzac | Secunia “drew their bow after the theif had gone” | Mar 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | That’s disastrous to Apache. They’ll hopefully wake up before they get screwed or bound to Windows | Mar 06 18:59 |
| balzac | Sounds like big trouble for Apache | Mar 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Yeah.. | Mar 06 18:59 |
| balzac | too bad they’re not protected by the GNU GPL | Mar 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | They took the money, they don’t care | Mar 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | I wrote so much about it | Mar 06 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Others like Perens did as well. | Mar 06 18:59 |
| balzac | Microsoft is probably showing them the green | Mar 06 19:00 |
| balzac | Well, it’s sort of politically-incorrect to call a piece of software “Apache” anyway. Do any Apaches work there? | Mar 06 19:00 |
| schestowitz | NY Bill Proposes Tax Credit for Open Source Developers http://developers.slashdot.org/art… | Mar 06 19:00 |
| PetoKraus | politically incorrect fuck my arse | Mar 06 19:01 |
| PetoKraus | it’s the most annoying thing ever | Mar 06 19:01 |
| balzac | If Microsoft drags Apache down the worm-hole, another server will take its place | Mar 06 19:01 |
| PetoKraus | being overcorrect, overpolite, overzealous, overretarded | Mar 06 19:01 |
| balzac | PetoKraus: ask a real Apache. | Mar 06 19:01 |
| PetoKraus | i don’t care about real apaches | Mar 06 19:01 |
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| balzac | PetoKraus: it’s not much different from protecting your trademark, except that it’s your family name. | Mar 06 19:02 |
| balzac | tribal name, i meant | Mar 06 19:02 |
| PetoKraus | it is different quite a lot | Mar 06 19:02 |
| PetoKraus | ask any lawyer | Mar 06 19:02 |
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| schestowitz | Another Microsoft-polluted body (noted before): http://www.prweb.com/relea… The Open Source Business Foundation (OSFB | Mar 06 19:02 |
| PetoKraus_ | blah blah bla | Mar 06 19:02 |
| PetoKraus_ | blah blah blah | Mar 06 19:02 |
| PetoKraus_ | look how it sucks to be misrepresented by another entity who has nothing to do with you | Mar 06 19:03 |
| *PetoKraus_ is now known as balzac | Mar 06 19:03 | |
| PetoKraus | right | Mar 06 19:03 |
| balzac | that’s all it is | Mar 06 19:03 |
| PetoKraus | i’d say everyone in the IT world knows that APACHE has NOTHING to do with Apache tribe | Mar 06 19:03 |
| balzac | protecting identity matters even to free culture advocates | Mar 06 19:03 |
| schestowitz | A patchy server | Mar 06 19:04 |
| PetoKraus | are you going to say that pidgin is violating the identity matters of pidgeons? | Mar 06 19:04 |
| balzac | no | Mar 06 19:04 |
| schestowitz | That’s why Iceweasel won’t have its name tarnished by Secunia  |
Mar 06 19:04 |
| PetoKraus | or gnome of gnomes? | Mar 06 19:04 |
| balzac | apaches are not pidgeons | Mar 06 19:04 |
| balzac | gnomes are imaginary | Mar 06 19:04 |
| PetoKraus | are you SURE? | Mar 06 19:04 |
| schestowitz | midgets are not | Mar 06 19:04 |
| jose_X | we’re going to run out of names we can use, books we can write, things we can program.. cause everything interesting will be taken. | Mar 06 19:05 |
| PetoKraus | no | Mar 06 19:05 |
| balzac | apache is already taken – by that tribe | Mar 06 19:05 |
| PetoKraus | it is not taken | Mar 06 19:05 |
| PetoKraus | it’s like koh i noor | Mar 06 19:05 |
| PetoKraus | it can’t be taken | Mar 06 19:05 |
| balzac | well, you can legally name a car the Jeep Comanche, but it might be annoying to a few people living on reservations | Mar 06 19:05 |
| PetoKraus | well | Mar 06 19:05 |
| PetoKraus | sue me then | Mar 06 19:06 |
| jose_X | or give them a cut of the action | Mar 06 19:06 |
| balzac | All I’m saying is this – if you’re going to name your car or software after a tribe, one hopes they’re getting a piece of the action | Mar 06 19:06 |
| PetoKraus | why? | Mar 06 19:06 |
| balzac | jose_X: yeah, talk to the tribal elders. | Mar 06 19:06 |
| jose_X | before the lawsuit… settle pre-emptively out of respect maybe | Mar 06 19:06 |
| schestowitz | “ability to grow our Linux business,” — Wind River Reports Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2009 Results < http://www.businesswire.com/portal… > | Mar 06 19:06 |
| PetoKraus | well i don’t think anyone in romania or wherever it was | Mar 06 19:06 |
| balzac | because they’re leveraging the name | Mar 06 19:06 |
| PetoKraus | asked before filming vinnetou | Mar 06 19:07 |
| trmanco | hehehe -> http://identi.ca/notice/2643057 | Mar 06 19:07 |
| balzac | it was different when apache was just a collective, but it’s getting more and more corporatized | Mar 06 19:07 |
| PetoKraus | or even karl may writing it | Mar 06 19:07 |
| PetoKraus | you are talking nonsense | Mar 06 19:07 |
| balzac | What if I made software called “Jewish” or “Irish”. | Mar 06 19:07 |
| balzac | it would be odd | Mar 06 19:07 |
| PetoKraus | that’s ok by me | Mar 06 19:07 |
| jose_X | |
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| PetoKraus | i mean | Mar 06 19:07 |
| PetoKraus | it’s a bloody name | Mar 06 19:07 |
| PetoKraus | it does not belong to anyone | Mar 06 19:08 |
| balzac | but apache tribal identiy belongs to a smaller group | Mar 06 19:08 |
| PetoKraus | it’s not like a trademark | Mar 06 19:08 |
| PetoKraus | there’s no family of Apaches | Mar 06 19:08 |
| PetoKraus | there is no family called John Jewish | Mar 06 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Ta, trmanco | Mar 06 19:08 |
| jose_X | we all need to find ways to share better | Mar 06 19:08 |
| trmanco | Ta? | Mar 06 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Mar 06 19:08 |
| balzac | PetoKraus: people can fight to defend identity. Ultimately it’s a question of respect. | Mar 06 19:08 |
| PetoKraus | they can only sue you for libel anyway | Mar 06 19:08 |
| trmanco | ah, ok | Mar 06 19:08 |
| balzac | Fight for respect or you don’t get it. | Mar 06 19:08 |
| PetoKraus | well sure | Mar 06 19:08 |
| balzac | that’s life | Mar 06 19:09 |
| PetoKraus | i’m not saying they should be quiet if they don’t agree | Mar 06 19:09 |
| PetoKraus | that’s what courts are for | Mar 06 19:09 |
| PetoKraus | i mean it’s pretty logical, isn’t it | Mar 06 19:09 |
| schestowitz | There were some stories of celeb name jacking.. lots recently. | Mar 06 19:09 |
| PetoKraus | someone does something you don’t like | Mar 06 19:09 |
| PetoKraus | you sue him | Mar 06 19:09 |
| schestowitz | The SCO shill Dan Lyons stole Steve Job’s name to hit his fans | Mar 06 19:09 |
| balzac | I’m just saying, maybe now that Apache is rolling in M$ money, they should kick some of that down to the Apache reservations | Mar 06 19:09 |
| PetoKraus | judge decides who is right | Mar 06 19:09 |
| PetoKraus | right | Mar 06 19:09 |
| PetoKraus | if i get famous | Mar 06 19:09 |
| schestowitz | And other singers have all sorts of FB pages or twitter accounts they want removed | Mar 06 19:10 |
| PetoKraus | should i pay that actor Peter Kraus | Mar 06 19:10 |
| PetoKraus | for having his name? | Mar 06 19:10 |
| jose_X | oiaohm? is that the name of the user that was here earlier? | Mar 06 19:10 |
| jose_X | i forget | Mar 06 19:10 |
| balzac | Maybe their software got popular because of the good name of Apaches | Mar 06 19:10 |
| PetoKraus | haha | Mar 06 19:10 |
| PetoKraus | that’s a good one | Mar 06 19:10 |
| balzac | Maybe if they called the software “European Colonist” it wouldn’t have been so popular. | Mar 06 19:10 |
| jose_X | lol | Mar 06 19:10 |
| balzac | “white invader” | Mar 06 19:11 |
| balzac | PetoKraus: my dad knows a woman whose last name is “White Man Killer” | Mar 06 19:11 |
| balzac | but she goes by “Man Killer” for short | Mar 06 19:11 |
| jose_X | or just Miller | Mar 06 19:11 |
| balzac | Native Americans still exist and some of them are still quite pissed | Mar 06 19:11 |
| jose_X | I prefer Miller | Mar 06 19:12 |
| PetoKraus | you mean the beer? | Mar 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | The Community Manager, Part 2: What Does it Take to Manage a Community? < http://www.socialcomputingmagazi… > What’s this community manager nonsense that became a new meme? | Mar 06 19:12 |
| jose_X | Miller is a legit name | Mar 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | It’s against instincts | Mar 06 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Not anarchism either, but hey… what’s that Zonket crapola all about? | Mar 06 19:12 |
| jose_X | i got back on to thank oiaohm?? for the earlier discussion and links | Mar 06 19:13 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE is ‘run’ by some Novell lackey… if I were an opensuse volunteer that would drive me away. | Mar 06 19:13 |
| jose_X | this tutorial page clarifies some of why xcb is being used instead of xlib http://xcb.freedesktop.org/tutorial/ | Mar 06 19:13 |
| schestowitz | jose_X: he’s usually here in Austrlia’s evenings | Mar 06 19:14 |
| PetoKraus | it’s good to be drying your clothes in your room | Mar 06 19:14 |
| PetoKraus | it smells bloody nice | Mar 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Bloody nice? | Mar 06 19:14 |
| balzac | hehe | Mar 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Like horrible fregrance. | Mar 06 19:14 |
| balzac | Limey brit | Mar 06 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Or Microsoft Works. | Mar 06 19:14 |
| balzac | jk | Mar 06 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | Sun loses Apache and Spring vote on latest Enterprise Java < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/… > | Mar 06 19:15 |
| PetoKraus | i’m not a brit |
Mar 06 19:16 |
| PetoKraus |  |
Mar 06 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Article from MS lacket.. | Mar 06 19:16 |
| schestowitz | *key | Mar 06 19:16 |
| balzac | where are you from? | Mar 06 19:16 |
| PetoKraus | I’m from slovakia, currently in Glasgow | Mar 06 19:16 |
| balzac | I’m American, but sometimes I say “bloody”. I’m not Jamaican but sometimes I say “bumba-clot”. | Mar 06 19:16 |
| balzac | I’m going to make a software called slovak, just for you | Mar 06 19:17 |
| balzac | jk | Mar 06 19:17 |
| schestowitz | “Adam Jollans is Open Source Strategy Manager for IBM. ” http://www.publictechnology.net/modules… Why are companies writing ‘articles’ now? | Mar 06 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Acquia Appoints New CEO as Management Team Grows < http://acquia.com/about-us/newsroom/pr… >. Good for Drupal. | Mar 06 19:19 |
| schestowitz | “There are days when I fear open source is becoming nothing but a buzzword, like e-commerce was a decade ago.” http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=3670 Yeah, that’s because of lackeys like these… and that’s why “open source” is a stupid term | Mar 06 19:20 |
| balzac | If I were Dries, I might have taken the CEO title for myself | Mar 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Thanks to ESR and ORLY>. | Mar 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | balzac: no, bad idea | Mar 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Was the same in WordPress/Automattic | Mar 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Better to take someone with business skill | Mar 06 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Founder becomes CTO and relies on code guru0ism | Mar 06 19:21 |
| balzac | man, you just need a guy who is ready to pound his fist on the board room table and yell | Mar 06 19:21 |
| balzac | I can do that | Mar 06 19:21 |
| balzac | My last girlfriend was an executive assistant for a corporate lawyer in New York | Mar 06 19:21 |
| balzac | CEO ego and balls are more important than business degrees | Mar 06 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Carlina knows… | Mar 06 19:22 |
| balzac | But I have my own company (soon to be incorporated), of which I am the sole proprietor but eventually I’ll be CEO and fly in a jet. | Mar 06 19:23 |
| balzac | Carly Fiorini? | Mar 06 19:23 |
| schestowitz | carly fiorina | Mar 06 19:23 |
| schestowitz | You beat me to it… I’m looking for something. | Mar 06 19:24 |
| balzac | gonads is the gender-neutral term. Women have gonads (in the biological jargon) | Mar 06 19:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.p… | Mar 06 19:24 |
| schestowitz | “As Reuters bluntly puts it, “The company’s statement on Tuesday suggests it orchestrated at least some leaks.” And apparently Keyworth was often their man to do it. Just maybe not that one time. The story keeps changing.” | Mar 06 19:25 |
| schestowitz | “For the four fiscal quarters ended July 31, 2006, HP revenue totaled $90.0 billion. “ | Mar 06 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Employers slashed 651K jobs in February | Mar 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | New record? | Mar 06 19:26 |
| schestowitz | MSFT dipped almost to $14.8 | Mar 06 19:26 |
| balzac | There will be tears. | Mar 06 19:27 |
| balzac | wailing and gnashing of teeth as well | Mar 06 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Video: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/finan… | Mar 06 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Sexy Namir sportster to rewrite fuel economy rulebook? < http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/… > A little insulting when sex is used to sell you a machine, no? | Mar 06 19:29 |
| balzac | Depends on how sexy the car is | Mar 06 19:30 |
| balzac | The new Bentley looks nice | Mar 06 19:30 |
| schestowitz | They should buy one for each American | Mar 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Issue some bailout money… print more money | Mar 06 19:31 |
| schestowitz | That ought to solve the crisis… doing more of the same that got it fueled in the first place | Mar 06 19:32 |
| schestowitz | And the chief editor of linux.com then moves into a trailer. The ‘Land of opportunities’, aye? | Mar 06 19:32 |
| balzac | We could have had 300,000 Bentleys instead of war crimes in Iraq | Mar 06 19:33 |
| balzac | 300,000,000 | Mar 06 19:33 |
| balzac | wow, I didn’t realize that was him who moved into a trailer. | Mar 06 19:33 |
| schestowitz | PetoKraus: I see that Beranger is unleashing anger at WP now: http://beranger.org/v3/wordpre… | Mar 06 19:35 |
| schestowitz | If not diss Linux, then find another FOSS victim.. | Mar 06 19:35 |
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| PetoKraus | i don’t pay attention to these rants | Mar 06 19:35 |
| PetoKraus | i only read the linux news | Mar 06 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Yeah… well, I don’t read him anymore | Mar 06 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Beranger Sucks! < http://www.junauza.com/2008/12/be… > | Mar 06 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Jun Auza has been quiet for a while.. | Mar 06 19:36 |
| balzac | Roy, sounded like he made a good argment about the auto-save and revisions records | Mar 06 19:37 |
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| balzac | wow, he’s going to become a proprietary software enthusiast after all those years with GNU/Linux? | Mar 06 19:38 |
| balzac | weird | Mar 06 19:38 |
| balzac | When a technology gets mature and reasonably bug-free, the bunch of emo kids cry that it’s obsolete, so it should be replaced with something new, rewritten from scratch, and that comes with more bugs than features in the first year. – Beranger | Mar 06 19:39 |
| balzac | he doesn’t like “emo kids” | Mar 06 19:40 |
| balzac | funny guy | Mar 06 19:40 |
| MinceR | “Red Hat doesn’t believe in it, so why should I?” << lol fail | Mar 06 19:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.junauza.com/2009/03/important-… | Mar 06 19:41 |
| balzac | funny guy | Mar 06 19:43 |
| schestowitz | The trouble with OpenBTS < http://lwn.net/Articles/320163/ > | Mar 06 19:43 |
| balzac | But why doesn’t he promote GNU software? | Mar 06 19:43 |
| balzac | why go to windows? | Mar 06 19:43 |
| balzac | If he wanted to be hardcore, he could buy an old clunky computer and run GNU/Hurd | Mar 06 19:44 |
| balzac | He’s flapping the breeze, apparently | Mar 06 19:44 |
| balzac | his criteria for software selection are not user freedoms | Mar 06 19:44 |
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| schestowitz | How Personal ‘Credibility Busters’ Hurt Your Career < http://blog.datamation.com/blo… > | Mar 06 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: attention thing. He did the same with BSD. | Mar 06 19:47 |
| balzac | Beranger seems like he may be an embittered refugee from a proprietary Unix | Mar 06 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Just gets bored | Mar 06 19:47 |
| schestowitz | It’s more than just UNIX | Mar 06 19:47 |
| schestowitz | It’s politics too | Mar 06 19:47 |
| balzac | sounds like he needs a hobby | Mar 06 19:48 |
| schestowitz | He ought to realise that he does nothing to his political causes by using slopware from the Vole. | Mar 06 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Good luck with Vista :-p | Mar 06 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: he got a new cat | Mar 06 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Sort of a hobby | Mar 06 19:48 |
| schestowitz | I like his political rants | Mar 06 19:48 |
| schestowitz | he also hate patents | Mar 06 19:48 |
| schestowitz | But he’s going over the limit sometimes | Mar 06 19:48 |
| balzac | He’s like “I didn’t like the food at your restaurant. I’m going outside to eat out of a dumster. That’ll teach you!” | Mar 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | ReactOS Targets Windows 2003, Vista < http://osnews.com/story/2… > OSNews still peddling MSware under Thom’s watch | Mar 06 19:49 |
| balzac | well, it’s good he hates patents, and plenty of his criticisms are valid, but he could do more coding if he deosn’t like this or that distro. | Mar 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | He files bug reports | Mar 06 19:50 |
| balzac | well that’s good, but it’s bad if he’ll be filing bug reports for Vista from now on | Mar 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Linus sites don’t cite him anymore | Mar 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | He’s out | Mar 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: hehe. For Vista? | Mar 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Bug reports are called stats | Mar 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | If report_# > 10,000 then payAttention(); | Mar 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | “Send | Don’t Send” | Mar 06 19:51 |
| balzac | I share Berangers concern that the corporate GNU/Linux distros are not even trying to beat Microsoft | Mar 06 19:51 |
| schestowitz | They will | Mar 06 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft shoots itself in the foot | Mar 06 19:51 |
| balzac | well, I’m impatient | Mar 06 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Many enterprises use SalesForce and cr*p like Google. | Mar 06 19:51 |
| schestowitz | They’ll not have the same requirements later on | Mar 06 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is still hawking the desktop | Mar 06 19:51 |
| balzac | That’s why I’m not an activist anymore. I can’t stand collaborating with others. | Mar 06 19:51 |
| balzac | Too many bone-heads. | Mar 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Novell is said to have taken a step away so as to not anger the Beast | Mar 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | It ahrdly markets SLED | Mar 06 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Also, Hovo Sapient sacked 20% oft he SUSE devs | Mar 06 19:52 |
| balzac | yeah, and pocketed their salaries into his bonus | Mar 06 19:52 |
| balzac | But that’s good news | Mar 06 19:53 |
| _Hicham_ | SuSe devs are gonna be employed by redhat | Mar 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: good for him. | Mar 06 19:53 |
| balzac | I don’t want SuSe stuff | Mar 06 19:53 |
| _Hicham_ | so, he is the looser at the end | Mar 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I heard so | Mar 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | All of them? | Mar 06 19:53 |
| balzac | until they get the monkey (Novell) off their backs | Mar 06 19:53 |
| _Hicham_ | SuSe devs are all good contributors | Mar 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Red hat is speaking to them | Mar 06 19:53 |
| schestowitz | It also employed some Mandriva hackers | Mar 06 19:53 |
| balzac | Redhat should hire them | Mar 06 19:54 |
| Balrog | schestovitz: you didn’t take care of that autocomplete thing yet :/ | Mar 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they also know the desktop well | Mar 06 19:54 |
| Balrog | shestowitz *** | Mar 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | KDE, GNOME, etc. | Mar 06 19:54 |
| Balrog | schestowitz *** | Mar 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | So they can help Fedora and desktop RHEL a lot | Mar 06 19:54 |
| Balrog | keybd here sucks | Mar 06 19:54 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : for sure | Mar 06 19:54 |
| balzac | but they should have to sing the free software song 20 times each, for working for Novell | Mar 06 19:54 |
| jose_X | the earlier discussion today on graphics and other desktop issues indicates the desktop will be noticeably better over the upcoming 1 to 2 years | Mar 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: ? | Mar 06 19:54 |
| balzac | they should have quit novell rather than wait to be laid off | Mar 06 19:54 |
| Balrog | 14:59 <@schestowitz> Balrog: good for him. | Mar 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Oh, oops. | Mar 06 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Sorry about that | Mar 06 19:54 |
| Balrog | and more | Mar 06 19:54 |
| balzac | Balrog: Roy just can’t stand my nick | Mar 06 19:55 |
| Balrog | it’s ok; may confuse people reading logs though | Mar 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Mar 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | I didn’t even notice | Mar 06 19:55 |
| Balrog | balr comes before balz | Mar 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Similar nicks, 6 letters | Mar 06 19:55 |
| Balrog | but case should matter | Mar 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | |
Mar 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Case doesn’t matter in xchat | Mar 06 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Let me check | Mar 06 19:55 |
| Balrog | probably not. | Mar 06 19:55 |
| balzac | it matters in irssi | Mar 06 19:55 |
| balzac | irssi is the shet | Mar 06 19:56 |
| Balrog | I use irssi over ssh | Mar 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Just checked, no options for that | Mar 06 19:56 |
| balzac | irssi inside of screen over ssh | Mar 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | balzac: rename yourself  |
Mar 06 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Too similar to ballmer | Mar 06 19:57 |
| balzac | But I’m registered with freenode! | Mar 06 19:57 |
| schestowitz | I was joking | Mar 06 19:57 |
| _Hicham_ | what are you using by the way? | Mar 06 19:57 |
| Balrog | I’m registered too | Mar 06 19:57 |
| balzac | so was i | Mar 06 19:57 |
| _Hicham_ | which chat client? | Mar 06 19:57 |
| Balrog | me? irssi on gentoo | Mar 06 19:57 |
| _Hicham_ | and u roy? | Mar 06 19:57 |
| balzac | irssi on Unoobtu for me | Mar 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | xchat here. | Mar 06 19:58 |
| _Hicham_ | im using Pidgin | Mar 06 19:58 |
| balzac | what about your distro? | Mar 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | balzac: you don’t like your distro | Mar 06 19:58 |
| _Hicham_ | me? | Mar 06 19:58 |
| balzac | I like it | Mar 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Ah | Mar 06 19:58 |
| Balrog | anyone using Windows around here?? I’m wondering | Mar 06 19:58 |
| _Hicham_ | I am using Ubuntu | Mar 06 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Din’t say ubunut | Mar 06 19:59 |
| Balrog | I use gentoo | Mar 06 19:59 |
| balzac | but it does have a certain noob-friendly reputation | Mar 06 19:59 |
| _Hicham_ | who is using Windows? | Mar 06 19:59 |
| balzac | Balrog compiles his own shet | Mar 06 19:59 |
| Balrog | |
Mar 06 19:59 |
| balzac | unoobtu | Mar 06 19:59 |
| Balrog | except that nvidia driver :/ | Mar 06 19:59 |
| Balrog | (which doesn’t even work with Xorg 1.5) | Mar 06 19:59 |
| balzac | The new distro from Cuba is gentoo-based | Mar 06 19:59 |
| _Hicham_ | I am installing debian lenny right now on my desktop machine | Mar 06 19:59 |
| Balrog | Fedora 10 is great | Mar 06 20:00 |
| _Hicham_ | it is an old machine | Mar 06 20:00 |
| balzac | I like the idea of gentoo, but they had a bit of a melt-down recently | Mar 06 20:00 |
| _Hicham_ | im downloading it also | Mar 06 20:00 |
| Balrog | balzac: melt-down? | Mar 06 20:00 |
| _Hicham_ | balzac : the idea of gentoo is too hard | Mar 06 20:00 |
| Balrog | I use unstable in any case | Mar 06 20:00 |
| balzac | I’m not skilled enough to deal with the time-penalty and difficulty-level of gentoo right now | Mar 06 20:00 |
| Balrog | the way it is implemented is too complicated | Mar 06 20:00 |
| Balrog | but what about the live CD? | Mar 06 20:00 |
| balzac | binary gentoo is a cop-out | Mar 06 20:00 |
| _Hicham_ | does Gentoo have a live CD? | Mar 06 20:00 |
| Balrog | no, you install a binary and then you can replace it with compiled stuff | Mar 06 20:01 |
| _Hicham_ | wow, | Mar 06 20:01 |
| _Hicham_ | very complicated procedure | Mar 06 20:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/review… “HP’s Linux-based Mini 1000 variant keeps the line’s great keyboard and well-balanced design, but its custom OS leaves you wanting more.” | Mar 06 20:01 |
| _Hicham_ | why not have precompiled binaries? | Mar 06 20:01 |
| balzac | that’s interesting | Mar 06 20:01 |
| Balrog | replacing with self-compiled is simply ‘emerge -evt system’ twice, then ‘emerge -evt world’ twice (for compiler and library sanity) | Mar 06 20:02 |
| _Hicham_ | HP is trying to imitate ASUS | Mar 06 20:02 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: why not have someone chew your food before you eat it? | Mar 06 20:02 |
| Balrog | I use the barebones disc anyway … *much* harder but more flexible | Mar 06 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Sabayon? | Mar 06 20:02 |
| _Hicham_ | Balzac : precompiled binaries are not that bad | Mar 06 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Cuba uses Entropy (from Sabayon) BTW | Mar 06 20:03 |
| balzac | _Hicham_: depends on whether or not you want or need to compile it. | Mar 06 20:03 |
| _Hicham_ | Balzac : do u compile the whole distro? | Mar 06 20:03 |
| balzac | not me, i’m using ubuntu | Mar 06 20:03 |
| Balrog | Balrog you mean? | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Balrog | Yes, I do | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Balrog | except the nvidia driver | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Balrog | (nvidia-71.86.08) | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Balrog | that’s a blob | Mar 06 20:04 |
| balzac | I’m not compiling anything except for that which I need and comes only as source | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Balrog | but nv sucks | Mar 06 20:04 |
| Balrog | or maybe more realistically, nv *really* sucks | Mar 06 20:04 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Mar 06 20:05 |
| _Hicham_ | that is new to me | Mar 06 20:05 |
| _Hicham_ | i always heard that nv makes good stuff | Mar 06 20:05 |
| Balrog | the foss driver (with obfuscated code) | Mar 06 20:05 |
| Balrog | not nvidia | Mar 06 20:05 |
| _Hicham_ | compared to ati | Mar 06 20:05 |
| _Hicham_ | ah, I see | Mar 06 20:05 |
| Balrog | the driver is calle ‘xf86-video-nv’ | Mar 06 20:05 |
| _Hicham_ | the binary seems to be good | Mar 06 20:05 |
| Balrog | s/calle/called | Mar 06 20:05 |
| _Hicham_ | not like ati | Mar 06 20:05 |
| _Hicham_ | i am using the free one | Mar 06 20:05 |
| Balrog | yeah, the blob works great, but the legacy one isn’t well updated | Mar 06 20:05 |
| _Hicham_ | coz the binary one won’t provide 3D acceleration | Mar 06 20:06 |
| _Hicham_ | we have to stick with Intel chipsets | Mar 06 20:06 |
| Balrog | with the free one, (a) a quad-core system feels like one from the 90′s, and (b) stuff doesn’t render right (like web pages in firefox) | Mar 06 20:06 |
| balzac | nvidia makes great hardware, but they don’t respect their customers | Mar 06 20:06 |
| Balrog | _Hicham_: you’re using nvidia or ATI? | Mar 06 20:06 |
| Balrog | the nvidia ‘free’ driver does not support any 3d | Mar 06 20:07 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : I am using ATI | Mar 06 20:07 |
| Balrog | problem with Intel is that their tech is slower and less powerful than ATI or Nividia | Mar 06 20:07 |
| Balrog | and they’re suing nvidia over rights to make chipsets |
Mar 06 20:07 |
| _Hicham_ | but their drivers are opensource | Mar 06 20:08 |
| balzac | nvidia can’t stand freedom | Mar 06 20:08 |
| Balrog | we’ll see how the noveau project goes | Mar 06 20:08 |
| Balrog | nvidia for some reason doesn’t want to reveal the hardware APIs | Mar 06 20:08 |
| _Hicham_ | I am talking about Intel’s Drivers | Mar 06 20:08 |
| Balrog | yeah, Intel’s are, that’s true | Mar 06 20:09 |
| Balrog | but underpowered chips | Mar 06 20:09 |
| _Hicham_ | yeah, that is true also | Mar 06 20:09 |
| _Hicham_ | I heard that the best chip on linux is NV with binary driver | Mar 06 20:09 |
| Balrog | yes, modern NV is | Mar 06 20:09 |
| Balrog | you’re right | Mar 06 20:09 |
| Balrog | but legacy … you’ll wait 2-4 weeks for them to fix issues with the latest kernel | Mar 06 20:10 |
| Balrog | and fixes for an updated xorg … may take long (months) | Mar 06 20:10 |
| Balrog | but that’s legacy | Mar 06 20:10 |
| Balrog | (GeForce 2 / 4 etc) | Mar 06 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Intel should be avoided, where possible | Mar 06 20:11 |
| schestowitz | This means waiting for ARM when it comes to sub-notebooks | Mar 06 20:12 |
| _Hicham_ | why Roy? | Mar 06 20:12 |
| Balrog | problem is, AMD’s chips are terrible compared to Intel | Mar 06 20:12 |
| Balrog | and ARM is totally incompatible with x86 (instruction sets) | Mar 06 20:12 |
| _Hicham_ | Balrog : how terrible? | Mar 06 20:12 |
| Balrog | though I like it | Mar 06 20:12 |
| Balrog | the recent top-end Phenom was rated slower than the top-end Nehalem | Mar 06 20:13 |
| Balrog | and sse4 and all | Mar 06 20:13 |
| Balrog | I hear that the latest Nehalem chips speed up many SSE instructions by four or more times | Mar 06 20:14 |
| Balrog | (4x faster) | Mar 06 20:14 |
| Balrog | but idk… | Mar 06 20:15 |
| schestowitz | “More than 10% of the stocks in the S&P 500 trade for less than $5. And with the market continuing to fall, more big-name firms could hit ‘penny stock’ status.” http://money.cnn.com/2009/03… | Mar 06 20:15 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: you don’t know about Intel’s many crimes yet? | Mar 06 20:15 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : tell me plz | Mar 06 20:16 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: http://www.google.com/search?q… | Mar 06 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Google CEO hints Google/Linux netbooks may be coming < http://blogs.computerworld.com/googl… > | Mar 06 20:18 |
| schestowitz | “I hereby predict that we’ll see the first netbooks with an official Google Linux desktop on them by the second half of this year. It will happen that quickly because Google won’t want to give Microsoft a chance to regroup with Windows 7 from its Vista disaster.” | Mar 06 20:19 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: if not Intel, what do you recommend for x86-type processors??? | Mar 06 20:20 |
| schestowitz | More on the same topic (Android on sub-notebooks): http://free.financialmail.co.za/09/… | Mar 06 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: AMD not OK? | Mar 06 20:22 |
| Balrog | slower and *vey* poor sse4 support | Mar 06 20:22 |
| Balrog | s/vey/very | Mar 06 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Linux-hostile twit: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… | Mar 06 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: there might be a price for not supporting crime | Mar 06 20:25 |
| Balrog | don’t intel engineers use linux? | Mar 06 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Doens’t matter | Mar 06 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Some terrorists use Linux too | Mar 06 20:27 |
| schestowitz | math: Windows 7 + netbook = failure – GNU/Linux as remaining winner! < http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,… > | Mar 06 20:28 |
| Balrog | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/aaron-g… | Mar 06 20:30 |
| schestowitz | “Windows XP is basically gone, so an OEM license is worth 20 USD for a manufacturer, no problem at all. Windows 7 for Netbooks is the same as all other Windows 7 variants – no lean, light, vlighted, 7lited or whatever. Just a Starter version like in Windows Vista which gives you the “power” to run maximum 3 applications at the same time.” | Mar 06 20:30 |
| schestowitz | “Where again is the advantage? Oh yes, now Windows 7 Starter crippled edition costs a bit more than 20 USD for OEM, I would say around 99 USD after discounts, tax not included or did you think MS stops earning money?” | Mar 06 20:30 |
| schestowitz | They can’t make money out of Windows in some form factors anymore | Mar 06 20:30 |
| schestowitz | So now they start suing. | Mar 06 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Patents, patents, software patents | Mar 06 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Lots of good news to Linux today | Mar 06 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is meanwhile getting no publicity other than lawsuit stuff and sock going down to $14 region, despite buybacks | Mar 06 20:33 |
| schestowitz | How to be Your Own Linux Tech Support < http://maketecheasier.com/be-your-o… > | Mar 06 20:33 |
| Balrog | mostly negative publicity about the lawsuits | Mar 06 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Big Lies/bogus stats: “Those cuts, which do not include farm workers, pushed the unemployment rate in the United States up to 8.1 per cent from 7.6 per cent in January.” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… If you count the real unemployment rate, it’s about 14%. They changed definition. | Mar 06 20:35 |
| schestowitz | The US government goes to great lengths to pretend nothing bad is happening.. maybe to prevent organisation of angry mobs. The Dow is meanwhile down to almost 6500 and people lose their houses. | Mar 06 20:36 |
| schestowitz | It’s not healthy for them to encourage people to /still/ live in delusion. | Mar 06 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Office is going promiscuous: http://software.silicon.com/app… | Mar 06 20:44 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, what is the reason for you to start MBlogging? | Mar 06 20:44 |
| trmanco | what was* | Mar 06 20:44 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: good question | Mar 06 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Let me think.. | Mar 06 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh, it started with E-mails I was exchnaging with Glyn Moody | Mar 06 20:45 |
| schestowitz | That was last night | Mar 06 20:45 |
| kentma | what is MBlogging? | Mar 06 20:45 |
| trmanco | so she convinced you, ha, that is nice  |
Mar 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I’m almost done with Digg and Propeller | Mar 06 20:46 |
| trmanco | kentma, micro blogging | Mar 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | She? | Mar 06 20:46 |
| kentma | is that sort of small blogging then? | Mar 06 20:46 |
| trmanco | oops, He | Mar 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | kentma: yes, one-liners | Mar 06 20:46 |
| kentma | Glyn’s a boys name, isn’t it usually? | Mar 06 20:46 |
| kentma | ah, okay. | Mar 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | He got a lot of attention recently | Mar 06 20:46 |
| schestowitz | He looks at the same topics as me | Mar 06 20:47 |
| schestowitz | So I keep track of his output and vice versa | Mar 06 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Same with PJ, but she’s been quiet | Mar 06 20:47 |
| schestowitz | doug sent me some material from her latest post… TomTom is becoming interesting. | Mar 06 20:47 |
| trmanco | kentma, well, I didn’t think of that… he might be reading the logs, so all I have to do is apologize, I’m sorry! | Mar 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | But for Microsoft, the kiss-kiss time with SUSE/Linux is over | Mar 06 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Whenever Microsoft says it plays nice with Linux, fuh-getaboutit | Mar 06 20:48 |
| *schestowitz posts from identi.ca from Konqy | Mar 06 20:49 | |
| trmanco | http://en.wikipedia.org/wik… ah, ok | Mar 06 20:49 |
| kentma | MS have never had any intention of being nice, because “nice” doesn’t have any place in monopoly. | Mar 06 20:49 |
| schestowitz | U.,K. Government expands supports for ODF < http://opendocument.xml.org/news/uk-go… >. When the UK does it, the US may only be a matter of time, along with its colonies… Iraq for example. |
Mar 06 20:50 |
| trmanco | oh, so he is the opendot writer | Mar 06 20:50 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, is he on identi.ca? or only twitter? | Mar 06 20:51 |
| kentma | Iraq is on the verge of total collapse, I think | Mar 06 20:51 |
| kentma | That was such an amazingly bad idea. | Mar 06 20:51 |
| schestowitz | opendoddotdot | Mar 06 20:51 |
| kentma | It’s a shame that HMG is covering up cabinet minutes, but probably if they don’t, Tony B will be in court. | Mar 06 20:51 |
| schestowitz | kentma: Iraq was on the verge of being modernised | Mar 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | That’s what I read anyway. The US took it back into a third world country status | Mar 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | For the mere price of 3 trillion dollars, borrowed mostly from China | Mar 06 20:52 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: I try to push him off blogger (proprietary) and twitter (likewise) | Mar 06 20:53 |
| trmanco | I just started following him | Mar 06 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I’m tired of some sites that seem like takeover targets, e.g. Digg | Mar 06 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Digg is also seriously f*ed because it’s gamed pretty badly. | Mar 06 20:54 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: in blogspot or twitter? | Mar 06 20:54 |
| schestowitz | His twitter stream is good | Mar 06 20:54 |
| trmanco | both would be good | Mar 06 20:54 |
| schestowitz | He got me (emotionally) involved in other areas like open access | Mar 06 20:54 |
| trmanco | well, you can always export you posts off blogger, so it’s no big deal | Mar 06 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes, he told me | Mar 06 20:55 |
| trmanco | your* | Mar 06 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I suggested glynmoody.org | Mar 06 20:55 |
| schestowitz | It’s hypocritical for him to blog under proprietary platform | Mar 06 20:55 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/200… “Square-Enix has sued four retailers for $600,000, not for creating a digital replica of a magic sword, but a real world costume replica of a sword from within the game Final Fantasy. “ | Mar 06 21:02 |
| schestowitz | Mary Jo summarises the TomTom issue (as it appears at this stage) without provoking: “But it’s looking more and more like the open sourcers are right and TomTom is the canary in the Linux-patent coal mine.” http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=2241 (Chewing the FAT in the Microsoft vs. TomTom case) | Mar 06 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Linux Foundation acting as though it’s a company selling packaged Linux: http://events.linuxfoundation.o… | Mar 06 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Oops. I meant Linux(R) | Mar 06 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | Windows locked out of the world of non-x86: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnis… | Mar 06 21:27 |
| Balrog | windows today is like mac os of 1998, only worse | Mar 06 21:28 |
| Balrog | (the software, that is) | Mar 06 21:28 |
| schestowitz | Good analogy | Mar 06 21:28 |
| Balrog | technology-wise | Mar 06 21:28 |
| schestowitz | But it has more market share | Mar 06 21:28 |
| schestowitz | And more third-party things stuck to it | Mar 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Including peripherals, not just s/w | Mar 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | So it’ll take longer to erode | Mar 06 21:29 |
| Balrog | Mac OS 7.1 was 98% MC68K assembly code. When they moved to PPC, a lot of that code remained, emulated | Mar 06 21:29 |
| Balrog | it used arcane memory management routines that caused all sorts of problems with more modern systems | Mar 06 21:29 |
| Balrog | basically it collapsed under its own weight | Mar 06 21:29 |
| schestowitz | I guess I’ve just joined the microblogging world (more or less what we do in IRC for now): http://identi.ca/schestowitz | Mar 06 21:30 |
| Balrog | Yes, Windows is worse … it wouldn’t be that easy for MS to do what Apple did | Mar 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: they put some Apple clothin on another OS | Mar 06 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Palm might do sometthing similar | Mar 06 21:30 |
| Balrog | ditch their OS and replace it with something more modern | Mar 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn’t seem like Pre will run any Cobalt apps | Mar 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Apropos: this in the news.. http://www.pcworld.com/article/160834/palm_i… | Mar 06 21:31 |
| Balrog | NEXTSTEP was Jobs’ work (in large part) to begin with | Mar 06 21:31 |
| Balrog | it’s highly likely that he’d have done something similar had apple allowed him | Mar 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the old Jobs-netstep vids in YouTUbe? | Mar 06 21:31 |
| schestowitz | *nextstep | Mar 06 21:32 |
| Balrog | about marketing? | Mar 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it | Mar 06 21:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?… | Mar 06 21:32 |
| Balrog | I’ve tried NEXTSTEP 3.x and Openstep 4.x | Mar 06 21:33 |
| Balrog | there was a 4.0 Beta (unreleased but you can find it if you look) that had a revamped GUI | Mar 06 21:33 |
| Balrog | http://www.shawcomputing.net/resourc… | Mar 06 21:34 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: look at it | Mar 06 21:34 |
| Balrog | and yes, the beta is floating online in obscure places | Mar 06 21:35 |
| Balrog | haven’t been able to get it to work yet though |
Mar 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Do Open Source Eyeballs Really Work? < http://www.computerworlduk.com/communi… > | Mar 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Jobs patented the dock’s zooming | Mar 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Didn’t that exist in one form or another in nextstep? | Mar 06 21:36 |
| Balrog | not in 3.x or openstep 4.x | Mar 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | I mean, simple extensions to an existing basic idea don’t count, do they? | Mar 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | They just jeopardise awn and other such apps now. | Mar 06 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Bilski though puts that on the grill | Mar 06 21:36 |
| Balrog | xfce has a dock of sorts | Mar 06 21:36 |
| *zer0c00l has quit (“Leaving”) | Mar 06 21:37 | |
| schestowitz | .Yes, xfce is nice. I miss Enlightenment | Mar 06 21:37 |
| Balrog | they have the 3d-dock patent I believe | Mar 06 21:37 |
| schestowitz | I don’t think I need much of the power of KDE anymore, just the apps | Mar 06 21:38 |
| Balrog | but that’s not the same as what’s in OS X today | Mar 06 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Still, it’s an abstract idea | Mar 06 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Like a room with depth | Mar 06 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Prior art: aquarium and fingers | Mar 06 21:38 |
| Balrog | we will see what happens… | Mar 06 21:39 |
| Balrog | seems like no other major window managers are using docks though. | Mar 06 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Do Open Source Eyeballs Really Work? < http://chris123nt.com/2009/03/03/… > | Mar 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: not out of the box? | Mar 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | What about KDE4′s new menu/panel that a Portuguese artists makes? | Mar 06 21:42 |
| *schestowitz Can’t recall the name | Mar 06 21:42 | |
| Balrog | I didn’t see it | Mar 06 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Let me find it | Mar 06 21:43 |
| trmanco | Pinheiro | Mar 06 21:43 |
| trmanco | can’t remember his first name | Mar 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Mar 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Raptor | Mar 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | http://raptor-menu.org/ | Mar 06 21:43 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes | Mar 06 21:43 |
| Balrog | is that distributed with KDE4? | Mar 06 21:44 |
| schestowitz | “Ticketmaster Acquisition of Live Nation: An Antitrust Summary” More convergence = less choice |
Mar 06 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: it ought to be | Mar 06 21:45 |
| schestowitz | That was the plan anyway | Mar 06 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Novell has its own menu | Mar 06 21:45 |
| Balrog | hm, we’ll see | Mar 06 21:45 |
| schestowitz | And then there’s also Lacelot | Mar 06 21:45 |
| Balrog | I don’t see how such a patent (on zoom at least) would hold | Mar 06 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://lancelot.fomentgroup.org/main | Mar 06 21:46 |
| Balrog | they can copyright parts of their implementation though | Mar 06 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Vista7 cartoon: http://www.geekculture.com/joyofte… | Mar 06 21:49 |
| schestowitz | “A decade and more ago, Microsoft executives argued in court that Internet Explorer couldn’t be removed without breaking Windows. Now matters are changed with Windows 7. Surprised?” http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/wind… | Mar 06 21:55 |
| Balrog | except that IE isn’t removed | Mar 06 21:56 |
| Balrog | only the user-access to it is | Mar 06 21:56 |
| Balrog | it’s still there, hidden out of view | Mar 06 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft can hardly run its wares (e.g. Office) on subnotebooks, so it tries pushing OEMs upwards: http://www.microsoft-watch.com/content/d… | Mar 06 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Some sub-notebooks cost abour AUD1000 already | Mar 06 21:57 |
| schestowitz | What’s the point? | Mar 06 21:57 |
| schestowitz | They totally miss the point of netbooks. | Mar 06 21:57 |
| trmanco | og great | Mar 06 21:57 |
| trmanco | a .NET crash at bwin | Mar 06 21:57 |
| MinceR | well, before “netbooks”, subnotebooks were expensive | Mar 06 21:57 |
| trmanco | the poker server went down | Mar 06 21:57 |
| MinceR | now the expensive subnotebooks are coming back too |
Mar 06 21:58 |
| trmanco | I probobly just lost $1300 of play money  |
Mar 06 21:58 |
| MinceR | poker? but i hardly even knew ‘er! | Mar 06 21:58 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 06 21:58 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: virtual money? | Mar 06 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Trade it for a sword | Mar 06 22:00 |
| trmanco | yes | Mar 06 22:00 |
| trmanco | but even the real money lads are complaining | Mar 06 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Losedows | Mar 06 22:00 |
| trmanco | no playable tables are online | Mar 06 22:00 |
| trmanco | this sucks | Mar 06 22:00 |
| trmanco | I’ll get you a screen | Mar 06 22:00 |
| MinceR | you had it coming | Mar 06 22:01 |
| MinceR | after all, it’s .net | Mar 06 22:01 |
| schestowitz | WTF? Why is Asay peddling Enderle?? | Mar 06 22:02 |
| trmanco | I’ve been waiting for this | Mar 06 22:02 |
| trmanco | now is my moment |
Mar 06 22:02 |
| schestowitz | This is annoying. Does he not know it’s a SCOcrosoft shill? | Mar 06 22:02 |
| schestowitz | He’s peddling the anti-FOSS tune. | Mar 06 22:03 |
| MinceR | iirc he’s a crApple shill, so there’s nothing surprising about that | Mar 06 22:03 |
| MinceR | and now that the crisis is crushing m$ and crApple, the pressure increases | Mar 06 22:04 |
| MinceR | they both FUD and sue left and right | Mar 06 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Schools still go for kickbacks and perks: http://www.vnunet.com/computing/new… | Mar 06 22:04 |
| schestowitz | He still invades FOSS news feeds | Mar 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | The comments gave it to him good! | Mar 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | BN exposed the Enderle-Microsoft connection several times (with court documents as proof) | Mar 06 22:05 |
| trmanco | .NET fail -> http://i44.tinypic.com/hs47ps.jpg | Mar 06 22:07 |
| MinceR | they should change CASH GAMES to CRASH GAMES then | Mar 06 22:08 |
| trmanco | I wonder how they paid money people are feeling | Mar 06 22:10 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: post to identi.ca maybe | Mar 06 22:10 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, done! | Mar 06 22:12 |
| Balrog | Asay…????? | Mar 06 22:13 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/notice/2646102 | Mar 06 22:14 |
| MinceR | Balrog: matt asay, crApple cultist masquerading as a proponent of FLOSS | Mar 06 22:14 |
| Balrog | as much as I read apple blogs, I haven’t heard of him and don’t think he’s respected highly | Mar 06 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, “hybrid” fan | Mar 06 22:15 |
| schestowitz | They sell out | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | w3m -dump_head http://poker.bwin.com | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | Received cookie: ASP.NET_SessionId=ermymty3a4dzii550ww34j55 | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | Received cookie: userSettings=language=1&timezone=25&CID=620 | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | Received cookie: ParentAppId=currentE=1466&parentE=38 | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | HTTP/1.1 200 OK | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | Cache-Control: no-cache | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | Pragma: no-cache | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | Content-Length: 70565 | Mar 06 22:15 |
| schestowitz | And the open source is polluted by lots of junk | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | Expires: -1 | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | X-Powered-By: ASP.NET | Mar 06 22:15 |
| trmanco | X-AspNet-Version: 2.0.50727 | Mar 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | All kinds of ‘open source’ as PR scam | Mar 06 22:16 |
| trmanco | Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:22:44 GMT | Mar 06 22:16 |
| trmanco | Connection: close | Mar 06 22:16 |
| trmanco | Vary: Accept-Encoding, User-Agent | Mar 06 22:16 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: try blin | Mar 06 22:17 |
| MinceR | or blose | Mar 06 22:17 |
| trmanco | blin,crash? | Mar 06 22:18 |
| *zer0c00l (n=zer0c00l@210.212.255.131) has joined #boycottnovell | Mar 06 22:20 | |
| schestowitz | blinux | Mar 06 22:21 |
| trmanco | mi.cash | Mar 06 22:21 |
| schestowitz | added: @trmanco: http://identi.ca/notice/2646102 trmanco finds out why Windows is a gamble. | Mar 06 22:22 |
| trmanco | LOOOL | Mar 06 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Let me experiment with the exclamation point thingie | Mar 06 22:23 |
| trmanco | haha | Mar 06 22:23 |
| trmanco | I like the brief | Mar 06 22:23 |
| trmanco | looks like a good headline | Mar 06 22:23 |
| *trmanco refreshes Gwibber | Mar 06 22:24 | |
| *trmanco Twitter gave me a 404 Error, oh well | Mar 06 22:24 | |
| schestowitz | Wheelock College senior speaks of philosophy of ‘ubuntu’ at Falmouth Library < http://www.wickedlocal.com/falmouth/news/x… > | Mar 06 22:24 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: try to convert twitters to identi.ca | Mar 06 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Problem is exporting readership and data | Mar 06 22:25 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, when you want to forward a tweet just RT@person [copy paste] |
Mar 06 22:25 |
| trmanco | like email | Mar 06 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Though they can announce moving to readers | Mar 06 22:25 |
| schestowitz | The content stays where it was | Mar 06 22:25 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I do, I already converted a couple of people | Mar 06 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Cool!! | Mar 06 22:25 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, maybe that is planned for the future, I don’t know, I haven’t had time to look at it | Mar 06 22:26 |
| schestowitz | I haven’t used Konqueror much since KDE 1.3. But it’s pretty decent | Mar 06 22:27 |
| schestowitz | *KDE 3.1 | Mar 06 22:27 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, http://identi.ca/notice/1848539 | Mar 06 22:27 |
| trmanco | he is one of them, the only one that I have proof though | Mar 06 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Tightening purse strings will turn many businesses on to Open Source Software < http://www.printweek.com/premedia/news/887… > | Mar 06 22:29 |
| schestowitz | I didn’t know RMS was there. | Mar 06 22:30 |
| trmanco | I don’t know if it is really him, or if it is a fake | Mar 06 22:30 |
| *zer0c00l has quit (“Leaving”) | Mar 06 22:30 | |
| trmanco | I really hope it’s him | Mar 06 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Not active anyway. Bad photo. | Mar 06 22:31 |
| schestowitz | There are fake Linuses and RMSes in Digg | Mar 06 22:31 |
| schestowitz | I had 4 imposters in Digg | Mar 06 22:31 |
| trmanco | yeah, he is inactive | Mar 06 22:31 |
| schestowitz | But abusive ones (possibly Gary) | Mar 06 22:31 |
| trmanco | maybe we should ping him on the emacs or some gNU list | Mar 06 22:31 |
| trmanco | http://identi.ca/search/people… | Mar 06 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Zimbra lies about its numbers: Zimbra tops Google’s Gmail with 40 million paid mailboxes < http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_… > | Mar 06 22:33 |
| schestowitz | That’s not a real number. They just sparingly throw boxes at businesses. | Mar 06 22:34 |
| schestowitz | it’s also not open source | Mar 06 22:34 |
| trmanco | 40 mil paid | Mar 06 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Just some Zombra licence of something. | Mar 06 22:34 |
| trmanco | lool, sure | Mar 06 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Yeah… like I can sell you 1 million hotdogs for $100. | Mar 06 22:35 |
| schestowitz | You won’t use all 1 million | Mar 06 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Same with hosting | Mar 06 22:35 |
| schestowitz | They promose 1000000000000000000GB of transfer | Mar 06 22:35 |
| trmanco | yeah | Mar 06 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Well, if only you could actually use that | Mar 06 22:35 |
| trmanco | no better yet is the magic word “unlimited” | Mar 06 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Of course, when you reach 100GB they can suspend your account for “too much CPU” | Mar 06 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Same with my host | Mar 06 22:36 |
| trmanco | unlimited space, unlimited bandwidth | Mar 06 22:36 |
| trmanco | my host is fine | Mar 06 22:36 |
| schestowitz | http://www.deviceguru.com/nightm… | Mar 06 22:37 |
| schestowitz | See comment | Mar 06 22:37 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: wait until your host goes under a lot of traffic and then doesn’t live up to promises | Mar 06 22:37 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I know him personally | Mar 06 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Shoot first, ask questions later. They also treat getting many visitors as though it’s some sort of abuse | Mar 06 22:38 |
| trmanco | for about 5 years, and he sponsors me | Mar 06 22:38 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Rick? | Mar 06 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Oh, the host | Mar 06 22:38 |
| trmanco | no, my host | Mar 06 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Mar 06 22:38 |
| schestowitz | I’m in good terms with my main host | Mar 06 22:38 |
| schestowitz | For all sites except BN | Mar 06 22:39 |
| trmanco | only if they datacenter shuts him down, but that won’t happen | Mar 06 22:39 |
| trmanco | the* | Mar 06 22:39 |
| schestowitz | It’s easy to move these days | Mar 06 22:39 |
| trmanco | yeah | Mar 06 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Done that in July 2007 when they upgraded the server | Mar 06 22:39 |
| trmanco | nice comment btw | Mar 06 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Took me many hours, but it worked all right | Mar 06 22:39 |
| trmanco | time to buy a VPS? |
Mar 06 22:40 |
| trmanco | and put all your website in it, email everything | Mar 06 22:40 |
| trmanco | websites* | Mar 06 22:40 |
| schestowitz | No, that wouldn’t work well. | Mar 06 22:43 |
| trmanco | why? | Mar 06 22:43 |
| trmanco | confusing? | Mar 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | “Richard Stallman (rms) is now listening to your notices on Identi.ca.” | Mar 06 22:43 |
| schestowitz | I doubt it’s him. Too fast | Mar 06 22:43 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, see your options | Mar 06 22:44 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/rms “Richard Stallman (rms) is now listening to your notices on Identi.ca.” | Mar 06 22:44 |
| trmanco | there is an option to automatically sub who subs you |
Mar 06 22:44 |
| trmanco | good for bots |
Mar 06 22:44 |
| schestowitz | “Richard Stallman (rms) is now listening to your notices on Identi.ca.” | Mar 06 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Mar 06 22:44 |
| trmanco | S3 Linux Driver Outperforms Its Windows Twin In Nexuiz : http://tech.slashdot.org/article… | Mar 06 22:44 |
| schestowitz | “Subscriptions 242″ | Mar 06 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Smells like the SEO scammers from Digg | Mar 06 22:45 |
| schestowitz | “Hi, my name is Juliet, I feel bored, be my friend” | Mar 06 22:45 |
| schestowitz | “Submission: cute puppies! HOT girls. CLICKZ here” | Mar 06 22:46 |
| schestowitz | but I don’t know….. | Mar 06 22:46 |
| trmanco | lol | Mar 06 22:47 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* glyn says: “careful, it’s addictive….” | Mar 06 22:49 |
| schestowitz | He hardly blogs anymore | Mar 06 22:49 |
| trmanco | micro blog ou big blog? | Mar 06 22:49 |
| schestowitz | mciro | Mar 06 22:49 |
| schestowitz | he got 500 subs now, so he can’t quit | Mar 06 22:50 |
| trmanco | |
Mar 06 22:50 |
| *MinceR invents nanoblogging and picoblogging | Mar 06 22:50 | |
| MinceR | nanoblogging: posts can be up to 1 word, max. 32 characters. | Mar 06 22:50 |
| MinceR | picoblogging: posts are exactly 1 character long. | Mar 06 22:51 |
| schestowitz | ! | Mar 06 22:51 |
| trmanco | ill invent pico blogging |
Mar 06 22:51 |
| trmanco | 1 letter max | Mar 06 22:51 |
| schestowitz | |
Mar 06 22:51 |
| schestowitz | ERROR: length exceed | Mar 06 22:51 |
| trmanco | ok maybe 3 | Mar 06 22:52 |
| schestowitz | 8–) | Mar 06 22:52 |
| schestowitz | ERROR: length exceeded | Mar 06 22:52 |
| trmanco | at least you can say “Hi!” | Mar 06 22:52 |
| trmanco | without quotes!!! | Mar 06 22:52 |
| schestowitz | ♥² | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | ☹ | Mar 06 22:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxworld.com.au/in… (Mozilla slates overdue Firefox 3.1 beta for March 10) | Mar 06 22:59 |
| balzac | FF 3.1 is going to change things | Mar 06 23:04 |
| balzac | I can’t wait for the combo of the HTML 5 <video> tag and svg, ajax, dhtml to replace Flash | Mar 06 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it can be fancied up a lot when the toolkits for ogg turn up | Mar 06 23:05 |
| balzac | Then it’s a matter of having an IDE that can build content for that | Mar 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz | In BN, about 70% use Firefox | Mar 06 23:05 |
| schestowitz | So I could just about throw the Flash away (not even as an option) | Mar 06 23:05 |
| balzac | I’m just about to quit using the Flash player for anything | Mar 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz | With the video tag I display text for browsers that can’t interpret it… suggesting an upgrade. | Mar 06 23:06 |
| balzac | cool | Mar 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz | But it’s not fair for browsers like Konqueror, which nonetheless have the ogg link | Mar 06 23:06 |
| balzac | I despise the proprietary video codecs | Mar 06 23:06 |
| schestowitz | So Linux OR Firefox users (on any platform) would have this working.. maybe Opera will join soon,. | Mar 06 23:07 |
| balzac | At first I was happy when Flash flv put the smack-down on quicktime, WMV, and real player | Mar 06 23:07 |
| balzac | Now FF3.1 will put the smack-down on Flash | Mar 06 23:07 |
| balzac | screw Opera | Mar 06 23:07 |
| schestowitz | They might go libre | Mar 06 23:07 |
| balzac | until then… | Mar 06 23:07 |
| balzac | They should go GPLv3 if they do | Mar 06 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Mint dev on KDE4: “It’s new, it looks fantastic and it’s our first ever KDE4 release.” http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=655 | Mar 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I’m trying out some more of Konqueror today | Mar 06 23:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4285 “The FLOSS.pro service is based on the freely-available Laconica software which was originally developed because of Twitter instabilities and because many users wanted to use a free and open platform to do microblogging.” | Mar 06 23:12 |
| schestowitz | “Now it looks likely that Firefox 3.1 will be released Firefox 3.5 to reflect the significance of the changes that have been made to the browser.” http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4304 | Mar 06 23:13 |
| PetoKraus | right guys | Mar 06 23:19 |
| PetoKraus | 800 words of this bloody report done | Mar 06 23:19 |
| PetoKraus | i’m gonna have a sleep now. See you tomorrow | Mar 06 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Have a nice weekend. | Mar 06 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Re: OLPC, “But after being set up, knocked up, and stood up, the project seems to have refocused on its original mission, a mission that has education, not corporate interests, at the center.” http://www.opensource.org/node/398 So the publicity stunt is over for Microsoft? | Mar 06 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Unisys loses another man. http://anthonygold.blogspot.com/2009/0… Serves them right for GIF | Mar 06 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Madrid has a conference on Free software coming: Divulgando tecnologías entorno al FLOSS (Free/Libre/OpenSource Software) http://www.whyfloss.com/es/confe… | Mar 06 23:43 |
| amarsh04 | serves Unisys right for “we have the way out” | Mar 06 23:45 |
| amarsh04 | pro-windows site hosted on bsd | Mar 06 23:45 |
| amarsh04 | before that Unisys did some good symetric multi-processor Unix work | Mar 06 23:46 |
| schestowitz | “Twitter, with its one-way transmission of 140-character messages, may be useful for outreach, but it won’t give us transparency. So, Congressmembers: Thanks for Twittering, but please don’t forget about transparency.” http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/fel… | Mar 06 23:47 |
| amarsh04 | Debian stripped out legal but non Debian Free Standards Group compliant firmware from test kernels without providing said firmware as a non-free package /-: | Mar 06 23:48 |
| schestowitz | There’s other ugly stuff now | Mar 06 23:48 |
| amarsh04 | glxgears went from 189 fps to 18.9 fps | Mar 06 23:48 |
| amarsh04 | on my radeon 9200SE | Mar 06 23:48 |
| schestowitz | The lobbyshills of Microsoft use the Microsoft-sponsored Czech presidency to ram through software patents in the EU | Mar 06 23:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.euractiv.com/en/innovation/… | Mar 06 23:49 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: do you game of use CAD? | Mar 06 23:49 |
| amarsh04 | I hope that fsfe are working hard on that | Mar 06 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Attempt to redefine “computer”: How many computers does the world need? <http://blogs.ft.com/techblog/2009/03/ho… > | Mar 06 23:50 |
| amarsh04 | no, schestowitz, just wanted a better graphics card with free drivers than the cirrus logic cl5446 (laguna) | Mar 06 23:50 |
| schestowitz | yeah, let’s have just 20 ‘PCs’ and contact them using… errr… telepathy |
Mar 06 23:50 |
| amarsh04 | computer = takes input, does processing with some kind of internal storage, and produces output | Mar 06 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Like humans with food | Mar 06 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Or neural networks | Mar 06 23:53 |
| schestowitz | ‘Computers’ are many things. But good headlines will say that the world needs only 20 ‘computers’. It’s eye catching. | Mar 06 23:54 |
| amarsh04 | a human can be a “computer” – if you accept the original definition of the term computer being someone who carries out computations | Mar 06 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | Hmm… not great.. Review: The Hauppauge HD-PVR < http://www.raiden.net/?cat… > | Mar 06 23:55 |
| amarsh04 | meaning digitally restricted? | Mar 06 23:55 |
| amarsh04 | step-daugher acquired a radeon-9600 equipped 2nd hand pc and it ran extremetuxracer well… this machine is too slow for 3d games | Mar 06 23:57 |
| *MinceR invents femtoblogging — posts are exactly 1 bit long | Mar 06 23:57 | |
| schestowitz | Bad history of “Linux”: “Linux is a free and open source operating system developed by Linus Torvalds, arguably, the father of Linux, which he started to develop as a student at the University of Helsinki, Finland, around 1991. There he developed what is known as the Linux kernel, the core of the Linux operating system.” http://themysticbird.com/2009/… | Mar 06 23:57 |
| MinceR | and attoblogging: posts have no content, the fact and time of posting is the data | Mar 06 23:57 |
| MinceR | and zeptoblogging is when not even the timestamp is recorded | Mar 06 23:57 |
| schestowitz | (needs correction) | Mar 06 23:58 |
| Balrog | what a waste of time. | Mar 06 23:58 |
| MinceR | and finally, yoctoblogging is when nothing is recorded, everyone just increments a single counter on the yoctoblogging site at will | Mar 06 23:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: empty db slugs | Mar 06 23:58 |
| amarsh04 | most histories of linux include linus’ post from a minix newsgroup and have to include enough explanation of GNU software, minix, unix, posix to show that linux wasn’t a derivative of unix or minix | Mar 06 23:59 |
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