04.01.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 31st, 2009 – Part 4
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| schestowitz | And now Torvalds’ snubbing of GPLv3 | Mar 31 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | He’s being naive | Mar 31 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | they’ll cripple it so you CAN’T run binary drivers and firmware | Mar 31 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Did he not pay attention to TomTom | Mar 31 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | so HURD will never be useful | Mar 31 15:21 |
| schestowitz | He’s only now realising what sw pats mean | Mar 31 15:21 |
| schestowitz | And TomTom settled unde GPLv2 (!!_) terms | Mar 31 15:22 |
| What’s up with BN and “spam protection”? | Mar 31 15:22 | |
| schestowitz | IOW, had he upgraded, it would be a different story | Mar 31 15:22 |
| schestowitz | But he’s carrying kernel stuff stuck underGPLv3 | Mar 31 15:22 |
| schestowitz | *GPLv2 | Mar 31 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | the kind of kernel they’re aiming for was abandoned years ago | Mar 31 15:22 |
| I don’t see the usual field but it asks for one when I try to post. | Mar 31 15:22 | |
| DaemonFC | someone adds a patch or two every YEAR at this point | Mar 31 15:22 |
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| DaemonFC | HURD is vaporware | Mar 31 15:22 |
| Windows is vaporware. | Mar 31 15:23 | |
| schestowitz | twitter: what do you mean? | Mar 31 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm……. | Mar 31 15:23 |
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| schestowitz | I reenabled spam protectyion with number | Mar 31 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | RMS even said in an interview that they never would have started HURD | Mar 31 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | had Linux existed | Mar 31 15:23 |
| schestowitz | twitter: what do you see? | Mar 31 15:23 |
| I mean I’m trying to comment on the death of encarta article but can’t | Mar 31 15:23 | |
| schestowitz | I changed plugins without testing | Mar 31 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Crap | Mar 31 15:24 |
| I see what I usually see but not the little math problem. | Mar 31 15:24 | |
| DaemonFC | the only thing that stops the BSD userland from compiling and running on Linux are license incompatibilities | Mar 31 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Try reloading now | Mar 31 15:24 |
| when I post it asks me for that or something else that was not there | Mar 31 15:24 | |
| DaemonFC | so what would you call Linux then? | Mar 31 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Mar 31 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Stupid cache | Mar 31 15:24 |
| schestowitz | *sh*t | Mar 31 15:24 |
| schestowitz | See, reenabled it, but cache still isn’t consistent | Mar 31 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Try now anyway | Mar 31 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | and what about X? | Mar 31 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | you don’t want to acknowledge them? | Mar 31 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | and what about GNOME or KDE? | Mar 31 15:25 |
| OK that worked but it seems a little brave of you. | Mar 31 15:25 | |
| DaemonFC | they’re as much the Linux OS as the GNU utilities | Mar 31 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | Linux has no concept of add ons, because it is all add ons | Mar 31 15:26 |
| schestowitz | twitter: I’ll need to flush cache later | Mar 31 15:26 |
| schestowitz | Which I fear because of the server load | Mar 31 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | if you use GNU on FreeBSD’s kernel, it becomes appropriate to say GNU/FreeBSD for clarification | Mar 31 15:26 |
| schestowitz | I got too much spam on the comments | Mar 31 15:26 |
| schestowitz | So I put back the math riddle, which amd-linux aid was not working right | Mar 31 15:27 |
| oh. | Mar 31 15:28 | |
| schestowitz | EU issues warning on Internet user rights < http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009M… > | Mar 31 15:28 |
| bbl | Mar 31 15:28 | |
| schestowitz | LXer links to FOX | Mar 31 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | Faux News | Mar 31 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | Fixed News | Mar 31 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | Fox Noise? | Mar 31 15:31 |
| schestowitz | twitter: encyclopedias are becomign hostiry | Mar 31 15:31 |
| DaemonFC |  |
Mar 31 15:31 |
| schestowitz | It’s a good thing to have encyclopedias to cover the demise of paper encyclopedias | Mar 31 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | good old Fox Noise Channel | Mar 31 15:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: there’s lots of funny stuff about Fox in YouTube | Mar 31 15:31 |
| schestowitz | They get ripped apart | Mar 31 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | what would I believe without them? | Mar 31 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 31 15:31 |
| schestowitz | And they use “copyright” to impose censorship | Mar 31 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Just like in the older days when the prince gave copyrights only if he liked with the author wrote | Mar 31 15:32 |
| M$ death watch updated. http://slashdot.org/~twitt… | Mar 31 15:33 | |
| now, I really have to go for while. | Mar 31 15:34 | |
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Mar 31 15:34 | |
| DaemonFC | brb | Mar 31 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | my kernel built | Mar 31 15:35 |
| *DaemonFC has quit (“Leaving”) | Mar 31 15:35 | |
| schestowitz | Varghese makes it seem as though TomTom is the winner in the legal case (what about Linux?): http://www.itwire.com/conte… | Mar 31 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Could this be the result of Microsoft’s anti-Google lobby? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… (EU issues ultimatum on internet privacy) | Mar 31 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft kills MSN Encarta < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… > | Mar 31 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Romanian phisher gets 50 month prison term < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… > Beranger??  |
Mar 31 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Just found this: http://www.lugod.org/microsoft/ | Mar 31 16:20 |
| schestowitz | Looks like another nymshift of “darryl”, the Microsoft shill was banned from LinuxTOday for trolling: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/30/tomto… | Mar 31 16:24 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: Should Property or Liability Rules Govern Information? < http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers… > Should they even call it “property”? | Mar 31 16:35 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: finished watching? |
Mar 31 16:36 |
| schestowitz | Not yet | Mar 31 16:36 |
| schestowitz | 14:09: <schestowitz> Balrog: I’ve watch about 1.5 hours of that new RMS talk and paused it until I watch the rest of it later. The talk is not as good as others that he gave and he seems to have mixed together several familiar talks | Mar 31 16:36 |
| Balrog | hmm … ok | Mar 31 16:36 |
| Balrog | I didn’t get that one. | Mar 31 16:36 |
| Balrog | (the message, that is) | Mar 31 16:37 |
| schestowitz | WTF?? Did Sarko give a gift to his buddy? Ballmer Gets Cannes Media Person of the Year < http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Ball… >. Who’s up next? Saddam? | Mar 31 16:38 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: posted this message earlier | Mar 31 16:39 |
| schestowitz | Long update about the patent situation, including Red Hat’s stance: http://boycottnovell.com/2009… | Mar 31 16:41 |
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| schestowitz | “World leaders descending on London for the G20 with expected riots.” http://www.yrtk.org/2009/a-goo… | Mar 31 16:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu… “Nothing wrong in that, you might say, except that in this context it seems to bring about a distortion in the open source business world, whereby non-free software is pushed in preference to free. The sad thing is that, as Digium shows, open source companies can make money supporting free versions too – just less of it.” | Mar 31 17:02 |
| *zer0c00l has just completed submitting a proposal for gsoc 2009 | Mar 31 17:10 | |
| schestowitz | Novell too | Mar 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.novell.com/prblogs/?p=557 | Mar 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | They want to develop for Microsoft at Google’s expense | Mar 31 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Mono infection | Mar 31 17:12 |
| Balrog | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/… | Mar 31 17:13 |
| Balrog | FTC wants DRM disclosure and **standardized EULA’s** | Mar 31 17:13 |
| Balrog | not FTC | Mar 31 17:14 |
| Balrog | a group is telling the FTC | Mar 31 17:14 |
| Balrog | but they’re\\ already pusing the first | Mar 31 17:14 |
| Balrog | FTC that is * | Mar 31 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Good. | Mar 31 17:18 |
| schestowitz | But DRM should be abolished | Mar 31 17:18 |
| schestowitz | it’s anti-consumer | Mar 31 17:18 |
| schestowitz | it’s not effective | Mar 31 17:18 |
| schestowitz | It’s a scam for obsolescence | Mar 31 17:19 |
| schestowitz | What if Microsoft said that DRM would save Encarta | Mar 31 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Rather than admit the business model is the culprit? | Mar 31 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Latest DRM death: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/… | Mar 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Wikipedia Founder Kills User-Generated Search Engine < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-jim… > | Mar 31 17:20 |
| schestowitz | What is the only SE standing was Google and all queries you made had to go through it, which means that governments too would track you? Same with Web video. The effect is chilling. | Mar 31 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.extremetech.com/aut… “Since then, he has been writing for numerous other publications, including Fortune Small Business, Windows 2000 Magazine (now Windows and .NET Magazine), ZDNet and Sam Whitmore’s Media Survey. “ | Mar 31 17:25 |
| schestowitz | This is the guy who is FUDing Linux now | Mar 31 17:25 |
| schestowitz | “Seltzer: Microsoft’s Windows Genuine Advantage Not Worth Getting Upset Over Monday, July 10, 2006 By Larry Seltzer” http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,… | Mar 31 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Re: Larry Seltzer spewing FUD @ eWeek: “Shameless FUDding” | Mar 31 17:26 |
| schestowitz | “Rumor: Just heard that IBM finished its dd on Sun and has decided to pass. No idea if it’s true. 2nd hand rumor” | Mar 31 17:27 |
| Balrog | well, game DRM already led to an uproar and boycotts (SecuROM in Spore) | Mar 31 17:27 |
| Balrog | better disclosure would make boycotting DRM easier | Mar 31 17:28 |
| schestowitz | TSA Accused Of Trademark Infringement < http://techdirt.com/articles/20… > | Mar 31 17:29 |
| schestowitz | http://techdirt.com/articles/20… (British Goverment Wants To Know Who Your Facebook Friends Are) | Mar 31 17:31 |
| Balrog | looks like sony doesn’t care about cannibalizing PS3 sales … they cut the price of the PS2 to $100 | Mar 31 17:33 |
| Balrog | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news… | Mar 31 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe emptying remaining stock? | Mar 31 17:34 |
| Balrog | …possibly | Mar 31 17:34 |
| Balrog | but PS2 games keep coming out | Mar 31 17:34 |
| Balrog | (not quickly, but they do) | Mar 31 17:35 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | PS2 is like Windows XP – Return of the Living Dead. | Mar 31 17:40 |
| Balrog | so do you think conficker will be a problem when it activates tomorrow? | Mar 31 17:42 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | Pardon me for being nasty, but I damned well hope so. | Mar 31 17:42 |
| Balrog | I just hope it doesn’t bring the internet down | Mar 31 17:43 |
| Balrog | that would be a remote possibility | Mar 31 17:43 |
| Balrog | not very likely | Mar 31 17:43 |
| schestowitz | It happened already | Mar 31 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Due to Conficker.. for me | Mar 31 17:44 |
| Balrog | explain. You’re using windows? | Mar 31 17:44 |
| Balrog | I hope not! | Mar 31 17:44 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/… | Mar 31 17:44 |
| Balrog | hrm. hope that doesn | Mar 31 17:45 |
| Balrog | doesn’t happen ** | Mar 31 17:45 |
| Balrog | :/ | Mar 31 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Turns out that, according to SJVN/WSJ, IBM and Sun are still talking, Sun wants to be sold. | Mar 31 17:45 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: do you think that would be good? people at #sun don’t think so  |
Mar 31 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: there’s opendns | Mar 31 17:46 |
| schestowitz | I wasn’t thinking about it at the time. | Mar 31 17:46 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | I’m of two minds. I know a lot of idiots who refuse to abandon Windows. They are like battered wives. | Mar 31 17:46 |
| Balrog | yeah, but opendns isn’t really open; they do some things I don’t like | Mar 31 17:46 |
| schestowitz | I also thought it was maybe just my own PC, so I went out. | Mar 31 17:46 |
| Balrog | like redirect google through their proxy | Mar 31 17:46 |
| schestowitz | The_Mad_Hatter: more like smokers actually | Mar 31 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Not battered wife | Mar 31 17:46 |
| Balrog | google.navigation.opendns.com | Mar 31 17:47 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | On the other hand, the more miserable Windows users are, the more likely they are to switch. | Mar 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | because battered wife are not air bourne | Mar 31 17:47 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | Touche (still have not managed to quit) | Mar 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | I know | Mar 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | I remember | Mar 31 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I’ll make my april 1st post quickly, before teh interwebs break loose | Mar 31 17:48 |
| Balrog | heh ok. | Mar 31 17:48 |
| schestowitz | BN gets record traffic today… like 40k pages according to AWStats | Mar 31 17:49 |
| Balrog | not bad | Mar 31 17:49 |
| schestowitz | January was best | Mar 31 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Comes exhibits | Mar 31 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I’ll resume these soon. | Mar 31 17:49 |
| schestowitz | back in 2 hours | Mar 31 17:52 |
| Balrog | ok. | Mar 31 17:52 |
| hmmm, anonymity in the news and politics http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dawn-te… | Mar 31 17:54 | |
| I like her long list of reasons people might like to remain anonymous while expressing themselves. | Mar 31 17:55 | |
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| The_Mad_Hatter | Anonimity is important | Mar 31 18:09 |
| The_Mad_Hatter | Anonymity I mean. It helps seperate personal views from work for one thing. | Mar 31 18:10 |
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| balzac | anonymity is important, but it can be abused | Mar 31 18:33 |
| balzac | yeah, but “Dan O’Brian” goes on and on while remaining undisclosed. He’s full of piss and I suspect it isn’t his true name. | Mar 31 18:35 |
| balzac | it would be more honest to use a pseudonym which doesn’t appear to be a given name | Mar 31 18:36 |
| balzac | if that is the case | Mar 31 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | Guess whi’s bugging/suing Google by proxy? http://blog.wired.com/business/200… | Mar 31 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: dan’s email is danob (not verified), so it’s probably his real name | Mar 31 20:16 |
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| kentma | universities are for sale in the US by this method. Same thing has happened in the UK. It should be stopped – it’s a mis-use of academic institutions which must be independent to be of any value. | Mar 31 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: Microsoft shills in BN: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/30/tom… | Mar 31 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Dave=Darryl=known shill. I just checked his IP to verify | Mar 31 20:20 |
| Balrog | you’re talking to balzac?!? | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | kentma: yes, the whole ‘cloud’ thing is used by companies to have students ‘sold’ to them. GOolgle too | Mar 31 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: either one | Mar 31 20:20 |
| benJIman | Heh at thinking that because samba used network analysis to reverse engineer things it is somehow immune from patent infringement. | Mar 31 20:22 |
| kentma | the talkbacks on the article are quite interesting. The considered ones are all deeply suspicious, the pro-Microsoft ones lack any analysis, ranging from “tit for tat”, to “ooh, nasty people are having a go at MS and that isn’t right”. Good to see that the Microsoft astro-turfing machine is still going, also good to see that it’s no better at presenting a convincing case than it ever was |
Mar 31 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Oh. I didn’t even notice we had made FP of LinuxToday yesterday | Mar 31 20:22 |
| kentma | I meant suspicious of the motives and situation reported, not to be considered to be of suspicious value. | Mar 31 20:22 |
| kentma | hey! | Mar 31 20:22 |
| kentma | well done. | Mar 31 20:23 |
| schestowitz | There’s lots of bad press | Mar 31 20:23 |
| schestowitz | The usual suspects though — those in Micfrosoft’s pocket | Mar 31 20:23 |
| schestowitz | I have about 20 articles about the settlement, just not posted yet… | Mar 31 20:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=4547 (Fedora releases version 11 beta ) | Mar 31 20:24 |
| amd-linux | Perens described the problem very well. And is hinting that the mentioned “payment” by TomTom could be as high as one Dollar | Mar 31 20:24 |
| amd-linux | that is what I also believe – the ransom money that TomTom payed was very low | Mar 31 20:25 |
| schestowitz | It’s Microsoft’s new business model | Mar 31 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Not a terrible good one, ieht | Mar 31 20:25 |
| schestowitz | *etiher | Mar 31 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft made a promise not to sue over FAT. But TomTom didn’t challenge them | Mar 31 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Remember that TomTOm needed to fight not just one patent | Mar 31 20:25 |
| schestowitz | It was a bundle of them | Mar 31 20:25 |
| amd-linux | and they directly license to the TT customers as far as I understand | Mar 31 20:26 |
| schestowitz | It was a well-orchestrated stunt aimed at a dying company without money | Mar 31 20:26 |
| amd-linux | TT dying? or MS? | Mar 31 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Both | Mar 31 20:26 |
| amd-linux | TT is doing well, I think…. and hope, gonna buy a nav system soon |
Mar 31 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft — less slowly. It’s bigger | Mar 31 20:26 |
| schestowitz | It tries to make up a business model from something it complained about 2 decades ago | Mar 31 20:27 |
| amd-linux | MS is currently dumping Windows embedded - Win based nav systems are nearly same price as Linux one | Mar 31 20:27 |
| amd-linux | at least here in germany | Mar 31 20:27 |
| schestowitz | PJ linked to this earlier: http://www.bolsamania.fr/analys… | Mar 31 20:27 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I no longer mail her. Groklaw seems to be dying as a news site | Mar 31 20:27 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: fallcy: | Mar 31 20:28 |
| schestowitz | It’s not about moving tomtom to winmobile | Mar 31 20:28 |
| schestowitz | It’s impractical. Too much work | Mar 31 20:28 |
| schestowitz | It’s about making money as a SCO-like indemnification firm | Mar 31 20:28 |
| schestowitz | At the same time also suppressing Linux, sure, but win embedded isn’t on MS’ agenda | Mar 31 20:29 |
| amd-linux | yeah, and their excuse is always shareholder value | Mar 31 20:29 |
| schestowitz | They just renamed the thing. They can’t make it better… not enough engineers perhaps | Mar 31 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Linux moves too fast | Mar 31 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Linux = big and small in one package | Mar 31 20:29 |
| amd-linux | “we are forced to act like this because we have to satisfy our shareholders” | Mar 31 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Moularity | Mar 31 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Windows is all fragmented | Mar 31 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Which is funny cause they call Linux fragmented | Mar 31 20:29 |
| schestowitz | When WIndows is like a bunch of forks for scale | Mar 31 20:29 |
| amd-linux | lets see how and when the Freescale netbooks are entering markets | Mar 31 20:30 |
| schestowitz | amd-linux: real quote? I douybt it. | Mar 31 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Hypothetical, right? | Mar 31 20:30 |
| amd-linux | MS has to decide to port Windows | Mar 31 20:30 |
| schestowitz | But ballmer said something like that in 2006 | Mar 31 20:30 |
| schestowitz | In LinuxDevices.com I saw it | Mar 31 20:30 |
| amd-linux | nono, no real quote but the gist | Mar 31 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Asked about patents he said something about obligation to shareholders | Mar 31 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Gist close to reality | Mar 31 20:30 |
| amd-linux | right thats what i meant | Mar 31 20:30 |
| schestowitz | And true too | Mar 31 20:30 |
| schestowitz | If being an aggressor seems like good for shareholder… | Mar 31 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Ask NOVL | Mar 31 20:31 |
| schestowitz | or SCOX | Mar 31 20:31 |
| amd-linux | of course this is just not to look too greedy | Mar 31 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can by PR | Mar 31 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.africaresource.com/ras… | Mar 31 20:31 |
| schestowitz | I found this earlier in Mixx. will repost it later | Mar 31 20:31 |
| amd-linux | good link. the “good” rich uncle from the US, “helping” poor Africans (and, as a side effect, his own business interests…) | Mar 31 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Mar 31 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about this befor | Mar 31 20:35 |
| schestowitz | This has a link to the NYT | Mar 31 20:35 |
| schestowitz | This reinforces many of my previous posts | Mar 31 20:35 |
| schestowitz | About Melinda and Pearly telling government to give taxpayers’ money to big phrarmas that Parly and Mel invest in | Mar 31 20:36 |
| schestowitz | (for the ‘poor children’) | Mar 31 20:36 |
| schestowitz | What You Need to Know About the Fraudulent Nature of the Pharmaceutical Investment Business With Disease < http://www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/ope… > | Mar 31 20:37 |
| schestowitz | “On behalf of the Rockefeller interests, the government of the pharmaceutical banana republic Germany spearheaded one of the most infamous efforts ever made within the United Nations.” | Mar 31 20:38 |
| schestowitz | “This years will go into history as the beginning of the end of pharmaceutical business with disease. In a series of scientific publications – for some of them I invited Linus Pauling as co-author – I could identify micronutrient deficiency as the primary cause. These diseases included heart attacks, high blood pressure, diabetical circulatory problems, cancer and even diseases like immune deficiencies, including AIDS.” | Mar 31 20:39 |
| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article… Perens explains also why Mono is a patent trap. | Mar 31 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Interesting… http://in.sys-con.com/node/900944 ThinFree supports ODF despite the MS pressure… “Adobe Portable Document Format (PDF), OpenOffice Open Document Format (ODF)” | Mar 31 20:44 |
| schestowitz | *ThinkFree | Mar 31 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Jose rebuts the stupid Wallen article: “Linux needs Microsoft’s “hand” like it needs the plague.” http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_s… | Mar 31 20:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story… “Now is the time to begin migrating everything over to ext2 or 3. Leave M$ behind with their patents and fat. “ | Mar 31 20:47 |
| benJIman | It’s a good thing that there’s no http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_D… standards that dictate use of fat. | Mar 31 20:50 |
| schestowitz | The case is not over | Mar 31 20:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?st… http://www.softwarefreedom.org/news/… | Mar 31 20:51 |
| schestowitz | brb | Mar 31 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Facebook CFO Gideon Yu Leaving < http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/419-fac… > | Mar 31 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Wikia Search Out Of Options < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2… > Sad news, at least Wikipedia is thriving. | Mar 31 21:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/… (Intel, Microsoft Look Away as Beefed-up Netbooks Blur Lines) If true, then it’s assassinating even more Windows revenue | Mar 31 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Wales: “In past 24 months, Wikia.com has seen tremendous expansion. Nielsen recently recognized Wikia.com as the fifth fastest growing member community destination in February 2009:” http://blog.jimmywales.com/index.ph… | Mar 31 21:21 |
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| schestowitz | Twitter appears so much in the press right now. I remember when it used to be Digg. | Mar 31 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Reports: Cyberspy network targets governments < http://edition.cnn.com/2009/TE… > | Mar 31 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Cornell Librarians Protest Bill Closing Access to NIH Research < http://cornellsun.com/section/… > | Mar 31 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft to acquire Novell! http://www.itwire.com/con… (April 1st starts early in Australia) | Mar 31 21:34 |
| Balrog | so conficker starts midnight apr 1 UTC? | Mar 31 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 31 21:34 |
| MinceR | |
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| schestowitz | Australia introduces licences for internet users < http://www.itwire.com/cont… > | Mar 31 21:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he beat me to it | Mar 31 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I am going to post “IBM to buy Novell” | Mar 31 21:35 |
| schestowitz | in 2 hours | Mar 31 21:35 |
| MinceR |  |
Mar 31 21:35 |
| MinceR | “IBM to buy Novell and Microsoft” | Mar 31 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Put your paranoia hat on | Mar 31 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Asutralia is already emitting junk | Mar 31 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Last year I fell for one story | Mar 31 21:35 |
| schestowitz | About DRM in <video> | Mar 31 21:35 |
| MinceR | “We really should have bought Microsoft decades ago, but this crisis gives a good opportunity to finally do it.” |
Mar 31 21:36 |
| schestowitz | U.S. tech employment rises in 2008, falls off in 4Q < http://www.itwire.com/conten… > Still living in the past, pretending all is OK | Mar 31 21:37 |
| Balrog | there should be no DRM in <video> just as there is no DRM in <img> | Mar 31 21:37 |
| schestowitz | 2008Q1… yeah yeah.. | Mar 31 21:37 |
| Balrog | though patents are a different problem … remember GIF…. :/ | Mar 31 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: it was a Linux.com article… Nathan… April 2nd (!) and sounded very real | Mar 31 21:38 |
| Balrog | url? | Mar 31 21:38 |
| schestowitz | “Sprout has already stated Novell’s recently released SUSE Linux 11 will be relaunched as Microsoft Linux Vista by the middle of this month.” | Mar 31 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: can;’t find it quite.. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&… | Mar 31 21:40 |
| Balrog | lol | Mar 31 21:41 |
| zer0c00l | gn | Mar 31 21:51 |
| *zer0c00l has quit (“Leaving”) | Mar 31 21:51 | |
| schestowitz | Excellent article from Phoronix comparing Ubuntu 9.04 Beta and Fedora 11: http://www.phoronix.com/scan… | Mar 31 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Stinking Redmond press. Here is what they write: “Microsoft has worked on about 70 open developer platforms, particularly in areas like Azure, open document formats and identity.” “open document formats” Eh? They try to make it sound like ODF… having names their format Office Open XML to confuse with Open Office. | Mar 31 22:02 |
| ToreadorVampire | Mmm, I agree there … I have had to correct people a few times on that one |
Mar 31 22:04 |
| schestowitz | They deplete from the vocabulary | Mar 31 22:05 |
| ToreadorVampire | “No, Office Open XML is not the same as those crazy document formats I use in OpenOffice” | Mar 31 22:05 |
| schestowitz | *having named | Mar 31 22:05 |
| schestowitz | It’s deliberate. They went told to rescind it. | Mar 31 22:05 |
| ToreadorVampire | That’s fine … despite that – everyone I know (bar a couple) hates MSOffice 2007 anyway for other reasons | Mar 31 22:06 |
| schestowitz | here is a good explanation of this: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/1… | Mar 31 22:06 |
| ToreadorVampire | Mostly because of the “pull the rug from under your feet” UI change, and not providing any way of going back to the old UI (in order to help ease the transition) | Mar 31 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Sun confirms second round of layoffs < http://go.theregister.com/fe… > | Mar 31 22:07 |
| schestowitz | ToreadorVampire: they need to pretend people upgrade *for something* | Mar 31 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Not just to upgrade to more RAM | Mar 31 22:08 |
| schestowitz | The perception of added value | Mar 31 22:08 |
| ToreadorVampire | People still ask me for help (even though I stopped being a techie and switched to being a developer a while back) … | Mar 31 22:08 |
| schestowitz | “What did I just pay $200 for? I don’t see it….” | Mar 31 22:08 |
| ToreadorVampire | … and increasingly now I say “Oh, yeah, in Office I think it’s something like Tools » Macros » Macro Security Settings” you need to change | Mar 31 22:08 |
| ToreadorVampire | And then I get to laugh at them if they are using Office2007, because there’s no goddamn tools menu | Mar 31 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Convicted Trojan author in new hacking charge < http://www.theregister.co.u… > | Mar 31 22:09 |
| ToreadorVampire | And if you try looking for that particular setting on the “ribbon” (which vaguely replaces the menu bar) you won’t find it | Mar 31 22:09 |
| schestowitz | ToreadorVampire: oh yeah, good point | Mar 31 22:09 |
| schestowitz | One of the selling pnts of windows | Mar 31 22:09 |
| schestowitz | No changes, techno-communism | Mar 31 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Shut down is still under the main menu… | Mar 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | And IE is stilll “blue e” | Mar 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Now they flip it all | Mar 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It renders manuals and BOOKS about office obsolete | Mar 31 22:10 |
| ToreadorVampire | Well, that was my main reason for switching to OOo | Mar 31 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Which for the first time makes me wonder how book authors who carries water for Microsoft really feel | Mar 31 22:11 |
| schestowitz | *carried | Mar 31 22:11 |
| ToreadorVampire | In reality – I don’t give a damn about how free my software is – or if I am walking into patent traps – I care about using a piece of software that gets the job done | Mar 31 22:11 |
| ToreadorVampire | And I got very angry very quick with Office 2007 | Mar 31 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Android tethering app tossed < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… > | Mar 31 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Check subheadline: “T-Mobile the tossers?” *LOL* | Mar 31 22:12 |
| ToreadorVampire | So when I switched to being a dev (and therefore lost my free copy of Office 2007) I decided that I wouldn’t buy it either | Mar 31 22:12 |
| ToreadorVampire | Ooh, that’s interesting – I’m planning to get a G1 soon … | Mar 31 22:12 |
| schestowitz | I use LyX for document | Mar 31 22:12 |
| schestowitz | But if I use program menu which is rare, then I use the keyboard | Mar 31 22:12 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know how ribbons interact with keyboard accelerators or arrow navigation | Mar 31 22:13 |
| ToreadorVampire | Erm, no idea | Mar 31 22:13 |
| ToreadorVampire | I tried to avoid using MS Word where possible | Mar 31 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Like CTRL+letter, down, down, down, ENTER | Mar 31 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Going the way of Fisher Price would be foolish | Mar 31 22:14 |
| schestowitz | They would lose even some rookie users | Mar 31 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Those who don’t spend much time on it.. just writing a letter occasionally. For them, retraining can consume as much time as all work combined (years accounted for) | Mar 31 22:14 |
| schestowitz | In Vista7, the Fisher Price GUI is expanding | Mar 31 22:15 |
| ToreadorVampire | Oh, erm, dunno | Mar 31 22:15 |
| schestowitz | More than 300 Nortel staff sacked without redundancy payout < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03… >. Nortel is a dead company (Ch11) | Mar 31 22:15 |
| ToreadorVampire | Yeah, one of Nortel’s HQs used to be down the road from me, and I know a few former staff | Mar 31 22:16 |
| ToreadorVampire | It’s been a dead company for a long time tbh | Mar 31 22:16 |
| ToreadorVampire | It just didn’t know it yet | Mar 31 22:16 |
| ToreadorVampire | Anyway – that tethering thing … | Mar 31 22:17 |
| ToreadorVampire | It’s still available for download – just not via the marketplace | Mar 31 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Yay. BN’s traffic in Netcraft has just climbed to 2200th. We’re doing about 7gb a day now. Bigger than Groklaw.. | Mar 31 22:17 |
| ToreadorVampire | Which makes no difference to me | Mar 31 22:17 |
| *ToreadorVampire is still excited about getting an android phone |
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| schestowitz | Nortel had wedding plans with MSFT | Mar 31 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Now it ought to be called offf | Mar 31 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Which is good for those who embraces the GNU |
Mar 31 22:19 |
| ToreadorVampire | schestowitz> Well … yeah – Nortel has been a plague ship for so long now … even 5/6 years ago I think it’s been “dying a slow death” | Mar 31 22:19 |
| ToreadorVampire | So I doubted anyone was going to buy them | Mar 31 22:20 |
| MinceR | http://handras.hu/stuff/hofeherke.png http://handras.hu/stuff/hofe… | Mar 31 22:20 |
| ToreadorVampire | hmm | Mar 31 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Fedora finally explains how crackers got in: An update on the Fedora August 2008 intrusion < http://lwn.net/Articles/326170/ > | Mar 31 22:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: must be seen insequence | Mar 31 22:22 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 31 22:22 |
| schestowitz | I saw it in reverse | Mar 31 22:22 |
| schestowitz | Guantanamo Bay found a replacement for sound torture: http://farm1.static.flickr…. | Mar 31 22:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/16230… “95 percent of them [PHP developers] go on to deploy on Linux.” | Mar 31 22:25 |
| schestowitz | I hear that Microsoft might donate Encarta to Wikipedia… http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/… | Mar 31 22:27 |
| schestowitz | Fears of a Conficker Meltdown Greatly Exaggerated < http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/s… > Says IDG…… | Mar 31 22:28 |
| schestowitz | We’ll find out soon what it shall cause | Mar 31 22:29 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi Roy! | Mar 31 22:46 |
| _Hicham_ | where r u? | Mar 31 22:47 |
| _Hicham_ | is there anyone in here? | Mar 31 22:47 |
| *ToreadorVampire has quit (“… and now back to the REAL fantasy world!”) | Mar 31 22:48 | |
| _Hicham_ | this room is really sleepy today | Mar 31 22:48 |
| *MinceR hides | Mar 31 22:49 | |
| MinceR | http://213.46.228.103/t.html | Mar 31 22:49 |
| schestowitz | I’m here. | Mar 31 22:49 |
| _Hicham_ | were u hiding or what? | Mar 31 22:50 |
| schestowitz | “This page has been established to control the Conficker worm outbreak. For questions please contact your local UPC Abuse and/or Helpdesk. For more info about the Conficker virus please see: The Microsoft Conficker page” | Mar 31 22:50 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: no, I was here. it was no quiet today | Mar 31 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Lots of talk this morning in fact. | Mar 31 22:51 |
| _Hicham_ | So the conficker is still doing its job? | Mar 31 22:52 |
| _Hicham_ | great | Mar 31 22:52 |
| _Hicham_ | I would have done more | Mar 31 22:52 |
| MinceR | indeed | Mar 31 22:52 |
| _Hicham_ | the svchost.exe is Windows’ open asshole | Mar 31 22:53 |
| schestowitz | “while improving framebuffer, flash memory, and FAT filesystem capabilities” Blech http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/N… | Mar 31 22:53 |
| _Hicham_ | Windows doesn’t even wear panties | Mar 31 22:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what’s it about? | Mar 31 22:53 |
| schestowitz | How will we know when it strikes and the outcome? | Mar 31 22:53 |
| MinceR | the Conficker outbreak is so bad an ISP has made a special warning page apparently | Mar 31 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I could live for a day without DNS if it means 15 million super-angry Windows users (and business) who say “what is this Lunix thing again?” | Mar 31 22:54 |
| _Hicham_ | great for Windows | Mar 31 22:54 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : there is OpenDNS | Mar 31 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Mar 31 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I made some tins of tuna and one opendns /sarcasm. | Mar 31 22:55 |
| schestowitz | I got my AK-48 and heading for a Conficker hideout… | Mar 31 22:55 |
| _Hicham_ | do u have an AK-47 for me? | Mar 31 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Not Conficker: GhostNet is a wakeup call to switch to Linux < http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/… > | Mar 31 22:58 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: sure. | Mar 31 22:58 |
| schestowitz | US security BTW is very lousy | Mar 31 22:59 |
| schestowitz | TSA and all | Mar 31 22:59 |
| schestowitz | I transported an air rifle in my suitcase without any problems. Leisure purposes — sure– but still… no problems at all. | Mar 31 22:59 |
| _Hicham_ | u can kill with just a small knife | Mar 31 23:00 |
| _Hicham_ | a drifter in here killed 6 people in the street with a small knife | Mar 31 23:00 |
| _Hicham_ | u don’t need a rifle at all | Mar 31 23:00 |
| schestowitz | True. | Mar 31 23:00 |
| schestowitz | The otives for dissent are more important to realise | Mar 31 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Weapons are everywhere. | Mar 31 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Kitchen knife is weapon | Mar 31 23:01 |
| _Hicham_ | u can kill Steve Ballmer with Linux for example | Mar 31 23:01 |
| _Hicham_ | so Linux is a weapon also | Mar 31 23:01 |
| schestowitz | So the solution is prevention by investigation of motive/cause | Mar 31 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Another is brainwash | Mar 31 23:01 |
| schestowitz | To control people’s minds before they respond with force | Mar 31 23:01 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: maybe SweatyB’s PC.. | Mar 31 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Not him. | Mar 31 23:01 |
| MinceR | everything is a weapon | Mar 31 23:01 |
| _Hicham_ | u can kill fat with ext diet | Mar 31 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Checking eggs is another matter | Mar 31 23:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR’s country has the pride | Mar 31 23:02 |
| MinceR | or you could shoot a linux install disk at SweatyB, killing him on impact | Mar 31 23:02 |
| schestowitz | It gave Sweaty the egg treatment | Mar 31 23:02 |
| MinceR | it was just eggs :/ | Mar 31 23:02 |
| schestowitz | And he missed | Mar 31 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | where r u from MinceR ? | Mar 31 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Loser |
Mar 31 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | hungary? | Mar 31 23:02 |
| MinceR | hungary | Mar 31 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | great | Mar 31 23:02 |
| MinceR | not so great | Mar 31 23:02 |
| MinceR | i hate this country | Mar 31 23:02 |
| _Hicham_ | why? | Mar 31 23:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR is the guy with the egg tossing video |
Mar 31 23:03 |
| MinceR | though i’m not sure if it would be better to live elsewhere | Mar 31 23:03 |
| schestowitz | No, I kid…. | Mar 31 23:03 |
| MinceR | nope | Mar 31 23:03 |
| _Hicham_ | why MinceR ? | Mar 31 23:03 |
| schestowitz | What was trhe guy’s site again?? | Mar 31 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Used to be a yellow homepaghe | Mar 31 23:03 |
| MinceR | people are uncaring/stupid/evil everywhere, the state does everything in its power to annoy and rob me | Mar 31 23:03 |
| _Hicham_ | u talking about the political system? | Mar 31 23:03 |
| MinceR | and then they give a lot of money to m$, of course | Mar 31 23:03 |
| _Hicham_ | fuck MS | Mar 31 23:03 |
| MinceR | tax payments are organized so that i have to do a lot of research so i get the honor of paying them what they want | Mar 31 23:04 |
| MinceR | if i don’t, i get punished | Mar 31 23:04 |
| MinceR | the authorities believe they’re allowed to do anything and they do get away with it | Mar 31 23:04 |
| MinceR | several state-owned companies also act as if they were authorities | Mar 31 23:04 |
| _Hicham_ | do u have a republic? | Mar 31 23:04 |
| MinceR | in name, yes | Mar 31 23:04 |
| MinceR | in practice, we can choose between two gangs of criminals | Mar 31 23:05 |
| MinceR | they do exactly the same shit | Mar 31 23:05 |
| MinceR | and now the country is on the brink of collapsing | Mar 31 23:05 |
| MinceR | i also hate budapest, the city i live in | Mar 31 23:05 |
| _Hicham_ | i just know it from the Hitman game | Mar 31 23:05 |
| MinceR | the people suck, public transportation sucks, the people suck, the infrastructure sucks | Mar 31 23:06 |
| _Hicham_ | i remember a level called “The Thermal Bath Hotel” | Mar 31 23:06 |
| MinceR | i hope there’s a place on earth that’s better than this hellhole | Mar 31 23:06 |
| _Hicham_ | Eastern Europe is full of hot chicks | Mar 31 23:06 |
| MinceR | oh, and a local “university” give some sort of award to Monkey Boy | Mar 31 23:06 |
| MinceR | s/give/gave/ | Mar 31 23:07 |
| MinceR | (where he got the egg treatment) | Mar 31 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | great treatment by the way | Mar 31 23:07 |
| MinceR | there’s a fucking cult of con men in this layer of hell | Mar 31 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | but he missed him | Mar 31 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | Bill’s one in Finland was great | Mar 31 23:07 |
| _Hicham_ | the cake I mean | Mar 31 23:08 |
| _Hicham_ | he received it straight in his face | Mar 31 23:08 |
| MinceR | a hungarian news website (index.hu) ran a vote about who should be the new prime minister and steve jobs won | Mar 31 23:08 |
| MinceR | that tells a lot about this excuse for a country | Mar 31 23:08 |
| _Hicham_ | really? | Mar 31 23:08 |
| MinceR | really | Mar 31 23:08 |
| _Hicham_ | is he from hungary? | Mar 31 23:08 |
| MinceR | nope | Mar 31 23:08 |
| MinceR | but we’re running out of options anyway | Mar 31 23:08 |
| _Hicham_ | why would be people want him then? | Mar 31 23:08 |
| MinceR | it’s a fucking comedy what’s going on around the replacement of the PM now | Mar 31 23:09 |
| _Hicham_ | he’s not hungarian | Mar 31 23:09 |
| MinceR | i’d laugh if i weren’t forced to live him | Mar 31 23:09 |
| MinceR | because people are fucking stupid here | Mar 31 23:09 |
| MinceR | the thing they admire most is the ability to rip others off and turn their lives into hell | Mar 31 23:09 |
| _Hicham_ | there is no left parties over there? | Mar 31 23:09 |
| MinceR | the party in power is trying to keep power at all costs | Mar 31 23:10 |
| MinceR | the PM is quitting and they’re trying to get support from someone else | Mar 31 23:10 |
| schestowitz | “RedSeven Computer Company is kicking off it’s birthday month by offering a free installation of Linux on April first” http://www.evliving.com/2009/03/30/4… | Mar 31 23:10 |
| MinceR | if we were to hold an election now, they’d likely lose | Mar 31 23:11 |
| MinceR | and the resulting delay would cost the country a lot | Mar 31 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it’s timed this way cause of Conficker | Mar 31 23:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: rich=good-hearted | Mar 31 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Remember, that’s the AmericanWay(R) | Mar 31 23:13 |
| schestowitz | aka AmericanDream(R) | Mar 31 23:13 |
| MinceR | and the hungarian public eats that like candy | Mar 31 23:13 |
| schestowitz | They glorify athletes, celebrities, corporations (like GM) and rich people | Mar 31 23:13 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : there is no american dream | Mar 31 23:13 |
| _Hicham_ | there is only american lie | Mar 31 23:13 |
| schestowitz | you aboslutely MUST want to be like them | Mar 31 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Peer pressure will ensure this | Mar 31 23:14 |
| MinceR | they worship people who get rich by stealing and cheating | Mar 31 23:14 |
| MinceR | they elect those people to office | Mar 31 23:14 |
| MinceR | and then they’re shocked and surprised to find out that they’re ripped off next | Mar 31 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | the US is a bad Political Model | Mar 31 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | and u know taht | Mar 31 23:14 |
| _Hicham_ | that | Mar 31 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Rockefeller.. what a nice family! Ohhh |
Mar 31 23:14 |
| schestowitz | They are so rich… and they give [and stealk] | Mar 31 23:14 |
| schestowitz | And they help poor kids…. | Mar 31 23:15 |
| schestowitz | And they give.. [their exposers a kick in the nuts and a smear campaign] | Mar 31 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I’ll do a goods post about the Gates scam tomorrow. _Hicham_ might be interetsed | Mar 31 23:15 |
| schestowitz | There’s this Richard Berman dude who knows how to set up fraudulent charities | Mar 31 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Steal from the public, buy PR. | Mar 31 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Under a “charity” umbrella. Then buy some press to lie about it and promote the big lie | Mar 31 23:16 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : u never criticized the UK | Mar 31 23:16 |
| _Hicham_ | is the UK perfect? | Mar 31 23:16 |
| MinceR | correction of my earlier sentence: “i’d laugh if i weren’t forced to live here” | Mar 31 23:16 |
| MinceR | if only i had the money to just pack up, leave and buy a house in a sane place and live there | Mar 31 23:17 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I do criticise the UK | Mar 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Carefully | Mar 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | See my USENET posts | Mar 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Usually on copyrights issue, ISPs, BECTA, MSBBC, NHS, and whatnot | Mar 31 23:18 |
| _Hicham_ | why carefully? | Mar 31 23:19 |
| _Hicham_ | because u r in there? | Mar 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | You know. | Mar 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I was monitored before. | Mar 31 23:19 |
| _Hicham_ | by who? | Mar 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | The men in black | Mar 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Security | Mar 31 23:19 |
| _Hicham_ | wow | Mar 31 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | that is frightening | Mar 31 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Mar 31 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Flattering actually | Mar 31 23:20 |
| schestowitz | I didn’t say anything bad or done anything bad | Mar 31 23:20 |
| schestowitz | They told me | Mar 31 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | u r lucky to be in the UK | Mar 31 23:20 |
| _Hicham_ | if u were in the US, they would have killed u | Mar 31 23:21 |
| _Hicham_ | long time before | Mar 31 23:21 |
| _Hicham_ | lucky to have a queen to protect u | Mar 31 23:21 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 31 23:22 |
| schestowitz | No. | Mar 31 23:22 |
| schestowitz | The US is liberal too | Mar 31 23:22 |
| schestowitz | The UK is no better than the US | Mar 31 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Look up “David Kelly” | Mar 31 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I don’t know | Mar 31 23:22 |
| schestowitz | It’s just suspicion though | Mar 31 23:22 |
| schestowitz | And I hardly write about politics anyway. IT is small stuff | Mar 31 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Compred to oil (trillions), real estate (trillions), and foreign affairs (many trillions). We’re the ‘small’ problem | Mar 31 23:23 |
| MinceR | information is more valuable than that though :> | Mar 31 23:23 |
| schestowitz | The Queen in the UK is like Obama in the US | Mar 31 23:24 |
| schestowitz | They are symbolic figures | Mar 31 23:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: information=FOx News | Mar 31 23:24 |
| _Hicham_ | but she has power, no? | Mar 31 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Information as weapon… the macro issue… not format and retention | Mar 31 23:25 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: to the brainwashed masses maybe | Mar 31 23:25 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: so does Obama; he works out | Mar 31 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Small guy | Mar 31 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Displaced in 4 years | Mar 31 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Unlike the people who run the system for 40 years | Mar 31 23:25 |
| MinceR | but consider what would happen if the craziest ideas behind TC and DRM were to be forced on everyone by law | Mar 31 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Like the Rockefeller. | Mar 31 23:25 |
| MinceR | personal computers? more like computers owned and monitored by the corpocracy | Mar 31 23:25 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they’ll try | Mar 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Dissent prevents it | Mar 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Look at ACTA backlash | Mar 31 23:26 |
| MinceR | and you get to have the privilege to pay to access it some of the time | Mar 31 23:26 |
| MinceR | in the way they choose | Mar 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: PC = leased | Mar 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | with TC | Mar 31 23:26 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: a tiny minority of people are even aware of ACTA | Mar 31 23:26 |
| MinceR | that’s the problem | Mar 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Windows/OS X = rented software | Mar 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | nmap is already illegal here | Mar 31 23:26 |
| MinceR | like you said, it’s considered small stuff | Mar 31 23:26 |
| MinceR | yet our freedom hinges on it | Mar 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, you won’t get an article about it past editors | Mar 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | With companies like GE owning the press, literally. | Mar 31 23:27 |
| MinceR | and that makes me very worried | Mar 31 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Airport checks | Mar 31 23:27 |
| schestowitz | “Show us your laptop!” | Mar 31 23:27 |
| schestowitz | They then make copies of your whole HDD on the file | Mar 31 23:27 |
| schestowitz | They’ll have a good time with it later | Mar 31 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Emails, history, everything… forensics too | Mar 31 23:27 |
| schestowitz | (easier with Vista BTW) | Mar 31 23:27 |
| schestowitz | They also have back door to Microsoft’s HSS encryption | Mar 31 23:28 |
| MinceR | and that would be only the beginning | Mar 31 23:28 |
| schestowitz | *HDD | Mar 31 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Which makes it symbolic | Mar 31 23:28 |
| schestowitz | It’s ‘safe’… but the govt always has the master key | Mar 31 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Gartner admiits this | Mar 31 23:28 |
| schestowitz | No speculation here. | Mar 31 23:28 |
| schestowitz | fact. | Mar 31 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsogt and the UK government work on it together… with the police. That’s why they illegally sign so many contracts | Mar 31 23:29 |
| _Hicham_ | do they really check ur laptop? | Mar 31 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Corruption = control | Mar 31 23:29 |
| MinceR | it’s microsoft “security” anyway | Mar 31 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Corruption is OK, as long as it keeps the population under control | Mar 31 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Acceptable bribery |
Mar 31 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Like lobbying |
Mar 31 23:29 |
| MinceR | it’s useless, the backdoor is just their way of saying “fuck you” to every outsider | Mar 31 23:29 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: provisions exist already | Mar 31 23:29 |
| schestowitz | I don’t think they even need ACTA for this | Mar 31 23:29 |
| schestowitz | ACTA is just more privileges. Not for us, for them. | Mar 31 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Not for us, for US | Mar 31 23:30 |
| MinceR | and any time they can get more | Mar 31 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | terrorism = freedom limits | Mar 31 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes, | Mar 31 23:30 |
| MinceR | they just handwave, say “turrism” and poof, you’ve lost another couple of your rights | Mar 31 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Reasons to aggrevate it | Mar 31 23:30 |
| MinceR | and some of your privacy | Mar 31 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Aggravate world = > risk | Mar 31 23:30 |
| MinceR | these people must pay for their crimes | Mar 31 23:30 |
| _Hicham_ | the US is doing with terrorism what it couldn’t do for years | Mar 31 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Snce Iraq invasion the thread grew 7fold | Mar 31 23:30 |
| schestowitz | These are numbers whose source I cannot recall | Mar 31 23:30 |
| schestowitz | So with heightened risks come new preventive laws. | Mar 31 23:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: which people | Mar 31 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Bush? | Mar 31 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Haha. | Mar 31 23:31 |
| schestowitz | No way. | Mar 31 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Obama is too little. | Mar 31 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Bush has buddies in Halliburton et al | Mar 31 23:31 |
| MinceR | all the politicians who did their part in it | Mar 31 23:31 |
| schestowitz | BTW, did you know that Blackwater changed named? | Mar 31 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Bad PR. | Mar 31 23:32 |
| MinceR | and all the people who bribed them to do it | Mar 31 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Slaughtering millions of people can do that to a company… it figures sigh* | Mar 31 23:32 |
| MinceR | nah | Mar 31 23:32 |
| MinceR | you kill one person, it’s a tragedy. you kill a million, it’s a statistic. | Mar 31 23:32 |
| _Hicham_ | Bush is allowed to kill anyone | Mar 31 23:33 |
| _Hicham_ | he has a white card | Mar 31 23:33 |
| MinceR | he has more than that | Mar 31 23:34 |
| MinceR | he is allowed to bomb any small country | Mar 31 23:34 |
| MinceR | well, he was | Mar 31 23:34 |
| MinceR | now obama has that “right” | Mar 31 23:34 |
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| _Hicham_ | the US is having problem now | Mar 31 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Just now? | Mar 31 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Don’t worry, they have the little people under control | Mar 31 23:35 |
| schestowitz | [that's us] | Mar 31 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | coz its people is starting to become hungry | Mar 31 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | if the US people become angry, it is a pb | Mar 31 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Surveillance without warrants, arrest on suspicion, etc. | Mar 31 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Mar 31 23:36 |
| schestowitz | They flag white anti-war protestors “terrorists” now | Mar 31 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | and sooner or later, there will be problems | Mar 31 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they get labeled “terrorist sympathisers” | Mar 31 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | for sure | Mar 31 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Was the same with Vietnam I think | Mar 31 23:36 |
| _Hicham_ | especially when they will run out of gas | Mar 31 23:37 |
| schestowitz | The same idiots who played the “terrorist sympathisers” card regretted it when they realised the invasion was a scam. | Mar 31 23:37 |
| schestowitz | People like Buckley | Mar 31 23:37 |
| schestowitz | World Review editor IIRC | Mar 31 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | the invasion was for oil | Mar 31 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | now they see how billions they have spent | Mar 31 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | to get oil | Mar 31 23:37 |
| schestowitz | NYT has posted no apologies for huge lies about WoMD AFAIK | Mar 31 23:37 |
| _Hicham_ | and they still spend money | Mar 31 23:38 |
| schestowitz | And Thomas Friendman et al have contacts there with Pentagon, White House, etc. so they have no excuse about being deceived | Mar 31 23:38 |
| _Hicham_ | and now there is the economics crisis | Mar 31 23:38 |
| _Hicham_ | and there is China | Mar 31 23:38 |
| _Hicham_ | and all their plans are at risk | Mar 31 23:38 |
| _Hicham_ | Obama is having a heavyweight legacy | Mar 31 23:38 |
| schestowitz | China does OK | Mar 31 23:39 |
| schestowitz | It’s good | Mar 31 23:39 |
| schestowitz | not for everyone | Mar 31 23:39 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : it is a threat | Mar 31 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Not for ‘the people’ | Mar 31 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Republic of ‘the [Big] People’ | Mar 31 23:39 |
| _Hicham_ | China is a threat for the world | Mar 31 23:39 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: they have nuclear subs |
Mar 31 23:39 |
| _Hicham_ | not that | Mar 31 23:39 |
| schestowitz | To make Ballmer sweat | Mar 31 23:39 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you know about Ballmer and China | Mar 31 23:39 |
| _Hicham_ | no, I don’t | Mar 31 23:40 |
| schestowitz | McCain wanted to make his Chinese ambassador… ambassador in China rather | Mar 31 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Good fit. Keep China in check by tossing chairs and shouting | Mar 31 23:40 |
| MinceR | |
Mar 31 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Give him 12 hour onnthe job and China nukes CA | Mar 31 23:40 |
| MinceR | Mutually Assured Destruction! | Mar 31 23:40 |
| schestowitz | Then Redmond, WA | Mar 31 23:40 |
| schestowitz | They have Red Flag Linux, | Mar 31 23:41 |
| MinceR | at least they would have taken out the human species before it could infect other solar systems :> | Mar 31 23:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it can’t | Mar 31 23:41 |
| schestowitz | No technology | Mar 31 23:41 |
| schestowitz | No research in NASA | Mar 31 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Bush moved the money | Mar 31 23:41 |
| schestowitz | To more important affairs | Mar 31 23:41 |
| MinceR | it’s only a question of time | Mar 31 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Like Christianity | Mar 31 23:41 |
| MinceR | if NASA doesn’t do it, others will | Mar 31 23:41 |
| MinceR | like the chinese | Mar 31 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Lusra Bush needs to teach kiddies about holy ponies | Mar 31 23:42 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 31 23:42 |
| schestowitz | *Laura | Mar 31 23:42 |
| MinceR | i prefer the Invisible Pink Unicorn to those. :> | Mar 31 23:42 |
| schestowitz | And it fhey behave nicely they’ll live like the princess in Ali Bubba | Mar 31 23:42 |
| schestowitz | *typo on name | Mar 31 23:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: invisible is good | Mar 31 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Easier to sell the illusion if it’s invisible | Mar 31 23:43 |
| schestowitz | “Where is it?” | Mar 31 23:43 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u have an official distro for the UK? | Mar 31 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Laura: “it’s invisible” | Mar 31 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Kid: “aaaaaaaahhhhhhh” | Mar 31 23:43 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: there are several here | Mar 31 23:43 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inv… | Mar 31 23:43 |
| schestowitz | None with a British flag or some national pride though | Mar 31 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is made from Isle of Man (based there) and developed mostly in London | Mar 31 23:44 |
| schestowitz | That’s where Mark and the gang reside | Mar 31 23:44 |
| schestowitz | RMS started twitting | Mar 31 23:45 |
| benJIman | Really? He doesn’t even use a web browser, I’m surprised he would use twitter. | Mar 31 23:45 |
| schestowitz | @rms in identica has begun linking to his political site | Mar 31 23:45 |
| MinceR | are you sure it’s really RMS? :> | Mar 31 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Might not be | Mar 31 23:46 |
| schestowitz | I think someone in FSF does this on his behalf | Mar 31 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Honestly | Mar 31 23:46 |
| MinceR | he did say at his presentation that he uses email to fetch webpages | Mar 31 23:46 |
| schestowitz | It seems so | Mar 31 23:46 |
| MinceR | ic | Mar 31 23:46 |
| schestowitz | So it’s a bot account in a way | Mar 31 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Just links to his ‘blog’ now | Mar 31 23:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he does (use E-mail). He told me too | Mar 31 23:46 |
| schestowitz | So you just embed pages in text. | Mar 31 23:46 |
| _Hicham_ | RMS uses Firefox | Mar 31 23:47 |
| _Hicham_ | aka IceCat | Mar 31 23:47 |
| schestowitz | He lives by principles | Mar 31 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Setting an example, which makes perfect sense. He does all right despite the self-imposed/inflicted barriers | Mar 31 23:47 |
| _Hicham_ | and Roy uses Internet Explorer | Mar 31 23:47 |
| _Hicham_ | |
Mar 31 23:47 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 31 23:48 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: .. to prepare for the fight against Tyson | Mar 31 23:48 |
| _Hicham_ | schestowitz : do u run ur own webserver? | Mar 31 23:52 |
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