04.18.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 17th, 2009 – Part 1
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| schestowitz | Microsoft Tells Antitrust Regulators to Sod Off For Another Couple of Weeks < http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/1… > | Apr 17 00:30 |
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| _Hicham_ | DaemonFC : how r u doing? | Apr 17 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | tired  |
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| _Hicham_ | lot of reviews today? | Apr 17 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Apr 17 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | dodged bill collectors, watched TV | Apr 17 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | think I’ll take a nap |
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| _Hicham_ | what time is it in there? | Apr 17 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | 8:30 pm | Apr 17 01:19 |
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| schestowitz | gn | Apr 17 01:40 |
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| balzac | who’s still up? | Apr 17 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has cut the price on Windows Home Server | Apr 17 06:08 |
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| DaemonFC | it’s the same price as Windows Vista Home Premium | Apr 17 06:08 |
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| balzac | ^_^ | Apr 17 06:31 |
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| balzac | The news is pretty eventful today | Apr 17 06:32 |
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| schestowitz | Mooin | Apr 17 08:02 |
| schestowitz | I have like 6000 posts in BN, but they are not categorised well. 6000 will be reached shortly.. someone might help me organise these: “Hmmm…I agree, a list of ex-MS employees in government positions would be very interesting. We’ll see what we can come up with. “ | Apr 17 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | Twitter Investor Talks About Possible Google Deal < http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/04/16/t… > | Apr 17 08:28 |
| schestowitz | There were some similar talks at one time about Google negotating Digg takeover. Never materialised. | Apr 17 08:36 |
| PetoKraus | hmm roy | Apr 17 08:40 |
| PetoKraus | what are you doing on 14th of july? | Apr 17 08:40 |
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| PetoKraus | there’s a gig in Manchester I would like to go to ^^ |
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| schestowitz | We can meet up if you’re around | Apr 17 08:41 |
| schestowitz | WHich band? I might just be around the city centre | Apr 17 08:41 |
| PetoKraus | Nine Inch Nails…. at m.e.n. arena | Apr 17 08:41 |
| schestowitz | I’m not a NIN fan, but I can meet you. The last time I was in the M.E.N. Arena was like 8 years ago | Apr 17 08:42 |
| schestowitz | http://websound.ru/issues/18… | Apr 17 08:43 |
| PetoKraus | yeah | Apr 17 08:44 |
| PetoKraus | they had april fools joke like that | Apr 17 08:44 |
| PetoKraus | it’s down now, seems | Apr 17 08:44 |
| PetoKraus | hm, megabus seems to be cheap indeed | Apr 17 08:45 |
| PetoKraus | £20 for the bus tickets down and up | Apr 17 08:45 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, they are affordable. I rode one ages ago (as a teenager) | Apr 17 08:46 |
| schestowitz | Read a book on it and got nauseous. | Apr 17 08:46 |
| schestowitz | Bill Bryson… | Apr 17 08:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?… | Apr 17 08:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?… | Apr 17 09:01 |
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| schestowitz | Tax-free Internet shopping may be at an end < http://news.cnet.com/8301-1… > Tax crunch…. | Apr 17 09:12 |
| schestowitz | Going forward and going back fast. Officials Say U.S. Wiretaps Exceeded Law < http://www.nytimes.com/2009/0… > | Apr 17 09:13 |
| schestowitz | Pirate Bay verdict is in today: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/p… | Apr 17 09:18 |
| schestowitz | RIAA mysteriously yanks case < http://www.p2pnet.net/story/20354 > | Apr 17 09:19 |
| schestowitz | As a vocal opposer of sw patents, I strongly urge Linux to upgrade to GPLv3 now. http://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/… | Apr 17 09:26 |
| schestowitz | This is a new post from the SFLC by the way. | Apr 17 09:31 |
| schestowitz | It’s about TomTom and GPLv3. There are many reasons to make the compromises, particularly when the situation is put in perspective. Microsoft did not hire many lobbyists to mock GPLv3 and spread disinformation in the media for nothing; It did so because it’s hugely afraid of GPLv3 adoption. | Apr 17 09:31 |
| schestowitz | More signs of a GOogle-Twitter deal (today): http://www.paidcontent.org/entry/4… (Schmidt: Google Would Be ‘Happy’ To Work With Twitter) | Apr 17 09:34 |
| *schestowitz has just mailed Linus about gplv3 | Apr 17 09:35 | |
| *woofy suspects that linus has a spam filter on mails containing the word gplv3 already | Apr 17 09:42 | |
| schestowitz | Windows sales (chart): http://www.microsoft-watch…. | Apr 17 09:42 |
| woofy | and it seems like it’s linus who’s blocking linux to go gpl3 | Apr 17 09:43 |
| schestowitz | Yes. | Apr 17 09:43 |
| schestowitz | And people who didn’t even read GPLv3 and say “what he said” (Linus) | Apr 17 09:43 |
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| Shadycat | What is the reality? | Apr 17 09:58 |
| schestowitz | About what? | Apr 17 09:59 |
| schestowitz | Novellsoft? | Apr 17 09:59 |
| Shadycat | I thought it was route for MS to get Silvershite on Linux OS’s, trying to squish Adobe flash | Apr 17 09:59 |
| Shadycat | yes whats the deal | Apr 17 10:00 |
| Shadycat | why are MS pushing in on Linux | Apr 17 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Basically, putting Mcirosoft in Linux | Apr 17 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Embodiment as formats, software, IDEs | Apr 17 10:01 |
| schestowitz | But for legal reasons | Apr 17 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Not just advancement of MS ‘standards’ (which carry patent royalties) | Apr 17 10:02 |
| benJIman | Flash has such a terrible EULA that even silverlight is an improvement. | Apr 17 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Why does Sam Varghese mock Ubuntu users? http://www.itwire.com/con… | Apr 17 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: Adobe does not sue Linux | Apr 17 10:02 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: Microsoft does | Apr 17 10:02 |
| schestowitz | You can’t call a chef a natural born killer just because he holds a knife. | Apr 17 10:03 |
| benJIman | Adobe does not yet perhaps. And they’ve aggressively defended violations of their EULAs in the past. | Apr 17 10:03 |
| schestowitz | They are not anti-Linux | Apr 17 10:04 |
| schestowitz | Get it? |
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| schestowitz | Or does OpenSUSE live like an ostrich? | Apr 17 10:04 |
| benJIman | Linux is not an end in itself. Freedom is important and flash is even worse than silverlight at restricting freedoms. | Apr 17 10:04 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer: “Linux is a cancer” < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/0… > | Apr 17 10:05 |
| MinceR | r4wr | Apr 17 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Bill Snyder, an Apple and Microsoft investor, is attacking FOSS with FUD again. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.ph… See comments | Apr 17 10:10 |
| schestowitz | It must bee feelin’ hot in Redmond. The FUD mill is busy.. | Apr 17 10:10 |
| schestowitz | Glyn Moody should really apply for the job of Executive Director at FSFE http://www.computerworlduk.com/commu… | Apr 17 10:17 |
| schestowitz | Death of Linux on netbooks greatly exaggerated < http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2… >. Microsoft resorted to nothing but outright lies (c/f/ “Slog”) | Apr 17 10:21 |
| schestowitz | I think Apple has more money in the bank than Microsoft right now. Microsoft issued debt in 2008. | Apr 17 10:28 |
| schestowitz | It’s a shame that Linux sites don’t realise that they peddle Microsoft’s ‘propaganda book’: http://www.linuxjournal.com/conten… | Apr 17 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft May Sell Debt in First-Ever Bond Offering (Update1) < http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p… > (from Nov. 2008) | Apr 17 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Old: http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/09/… “As notable in the announcement was Microsoft’s plan to tap the debt marketsfor the first time.” | Apr 17 10:33 |
| schestowitz | 1999 reference: Microsoft employee accused MSFT of fraud, Microsoft pays him $4 million: http://web.archive.org/web/20070308032… | Apr 17 10:34 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft calls Novell Support Advisor “NSA”. How tactless is *that*? | Apr 17 10:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/Health-C… “Among the openSUSE developers who are known to have been fired are Hubert Figuiere, AbiWord, OpenOffice, and GNOME developer; Stephan Binner, KDE developer, Rodrigo Moya, GNOME developer, Martin Lasarsch, evangelism and infrastructure, and Luc Verhaegen” | Apr 17 10:57 |
| schestowitz | “…an x.org developer who worked on the open-source ATI graphics stack, and the RadeonHD and the VIA Unichrome drivers. Some of these developers, notably Stephan Binner and Luc Verhaegen, are important contributors in their respective fields.” | Apr 17 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Just in: Pirate Bay founders found guilty < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/… > | Apr 17 11:01 |
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| schestowitz | Pirate Bay – going to jail for providing links to files? http://www.theregister.co.uk/200… | Apr 17 11:02 |
| schestowitz | Carphone Warehouse blocks union website < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… > | Apr 17 11:04 |
| schestowitz | Another product bases itself on GNU/Linux (Ubuntu in this case): http://www.desktoplinux.com/n… | Apr 17 11:05 |
| oiaohm | Exactly the ruling I wanted on Pirate bay. | Apr 17 11:05 |
| oiaohm | ebox on ubuntu has been that way for a year. | Apr 17 11:06 |
| schestowitz | A key FOSS person from SA is leaving. could this man have been pushed out gently? Can anyone check? | Apr 17 11:07 |
| oiaohm | SA ? | Apr 17 11:08 |
| oiaohm | South Australia does not seam right. | Apr 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Support grows for mobile Linux: http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/hardw… | Apr 17 11:12 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: South Africa | Apr 17 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | “Jo Shields, Manager of the Oxford Supercomputing Centre” http://www.hexus.net/content/it… What a coincidence… almost the same place as the other Jo Shields | Apr 17 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Nokia is running to Linux for haven: http://www.rethink-wireless.com… | Apr 17 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | GNU/Linux distributions come before Macs at Logitech: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news… | Apr 17 11:17 |
| schestowitz | Thousands more Linux boxed deployed in the Philippines: http://technology.inquirer.net/infotech/in… | Apr 17 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Obviously, Only A Criminal Knows How To Use The Linux Command Line! < http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/16/obv… > | Apr 17 11:25 |
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| schestowitz | Mass migration to GNU/Linux in switches: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news… | Apr 17 11:27 |
| oiaohm | Another lot of invisable numbers for Linux. | Apr 17 11:28 |
| schestowitz | The media conglomerates intend to rip us all off like the telephone companies: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_… | Apr 17 11:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: “invisible” only if you go by Microsoft-funded (and the likes) ‘surveys’/selective trackers from IDC, NPD, and Gartner. | Apr 17 11:32 |
| schestowitz | “The Linux Foundation is recommending KVM over Xen ” Good. Xen was hijacked by Micro-citrix. | Apr 17 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Indian press: Desktop-Linux Can Shape Enterprise Cost < http://www.cxotoday.com/India/News/D… > | Apr 17 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Nettops running Ballnux: http://www.nordichardware.se/ny… | Apr 17 11:37 |
| schestowitz | ASUS rejects Windows and chooses Linux for phones: http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssCons… | Apr 17 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Actually they’ll do both OSes | Apr 17 11:39 |
| schestowitz | The Common Public License (CPL) is dead: http://www.sutor.com/newsite/bl… | Apr 17 11:41 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: why are you anti-Pirate Bay? Rogue sofwtare? | Apr 17 11:41 |
| schestowitz | With Pirate Bay ‘down’, the MAFIAA could go Rambo-trigger-happy on innocent sites. | Apr 17 11:43 |
| schestowitz | The war on CLIs: Blinking Cursors Don’t Break Laws, Inputting Text Breaks Laws < http://ostatic.com/blog/blinking-curs… > | Apr 17 11:45 |
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| schestowitz | Reported rise in Linux sales, for those who rely on h/w and support: http://ostatic.com/blog/linux-in-try… | Apr 17 11:51 |
| oiaohm | I am anti source of computer virus infections I have seen. schestowitz. | Apr 17 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Sharing of software can cause this | Apr 17 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Like any medium of sharing | Apr 17 11:53 |
| oiaohm | There is a difference. | Apr 17 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Including that of information, which is sometimes provably false. But you can’t just close down the Web because of that, can you? | Apr 17 11:54 |
| oiaohm | download.com and other major legal application sharing locations go out of there way to confirm that everything is as clean as able. | Apr 17 11:54 |
| oiaohm | pirate bay has been verry much share without any regulation or control. | Apr 17 11:55 |
| schestowitz | More info on Moldova: http://www.stallman.org/moldova2.txt | Apr 17 11:55 |
| oiaohm | This leads to problems. | Apr 17 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Of course it does | Apr 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | it does not audit | Apr 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | People should know this coming in | Apr 17 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Just as In don’t believe what I see in Fox, CNN and other lie-disseminating fronts of large corporations | Apr 17 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Next problem supply of illegal software is one of the biggest blockers to people trying other cheeper legal software. | Apr 17 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Why not use FOSS as a solution? | Apr 17 11:58 |
| oiaohm | If pirate bay had like restricted themselfs to like music and video items that could be simply filtered for. I would not be out for there blood. | Apr 17 11:58 |
| schestowitz | There’s a lot of great FOSS/NUX news today. | Apr 17 11:58 |
| schestowitz | If people did not have to ‘steal’, then they would get it from the original sites | Apr 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Like mozilla.com | Apr 17 11:59 |
| oiaohm | Lots of illegal software users are use to like MS Office. | Apr 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Pirate bay does files | Apr 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | 0s and 1s | Apr 17 11:59 |
| oiaohm | If it don’t look act like MS Office they will not touch it. | Apr 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | It’s not about formats | Apr 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | It’s just a broadcasting service for what’s on your HDD | Apr 17 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Bruce Byfield is still busy knocking GNOME against KDE (non-constructive): http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/o… | Apr 17 12:00 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: are you out for TPB’s blood? | Apr 17 12:00 |
| oiaohm | So it would be file for me to broadcast slander about you on line just because it was not on my harddrive I would not be account able. | Apr 17 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Its the same kind of thing. | Apr 17 12:01 |
| oiaohm | Law makes it simple here you provide a link to something without at least doing some basic checks for problems you can be libable if its illegal software same rule. | Apr 17 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Anyone who thinks they don’t have to take some responsablieds for the end results to there users like TPB should not be in business. | Apr 17 12:03 |
| MinceR | time to check for links to outside sites on the websites of the proponents of that idea | Apr 17 12:03 |
| MinceR | change them | Apr 17 12:03 |
| MinceR | and see how they like such accusations. | Apr 17 12:04 |
| MinceR | accusing someone of crime because of where their off-site links point is an idiotic idea | Apr 17 12:04 |
| MinceR | something only clueless politicians could have come up with. | Apr 17 12:04 |
| schestowitz | KDE glory (I like this guy’s screenshots): http://introducingkde4.blogspot.com/2009/… | Apr 17 12:05 |
| oiaohm | No MinceR. Off-site link could be like a youtube video. For a while pro nazii sites and illegel mp3 sites here used it. Since they were not hosting but leading users intentionally to illegal items they tried to say they were not guilty. | Apr 17 12:06 |
| oiaohm | It comes under the providing due care to end users. | Apr 17 12:07 |
| MinceR | the ones who do the hosting should be guilty | Apr 17 12:07 |
| MinceR | since they control what resource is at a particular URL. | Apr 17 12:07 |
| oiaohm | One hosting and one providing the link are both guilit. | Apr 17 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Yes, MinceR | Apr 17 12:07 |
| MinceR | say if your site provided a link to an innocent looking page on my site | Apr 17 12:07 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: using the same logic, let’s shut down the Net | Apr 17 12:08 |
| oiaohm | the person with link is not guilt if host had changed the location. | Apr 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Some politicians wanted it | Apr 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | The Internet may contains viruses and bad content | Apr 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | So you could sue ISPs | Apr 17 12:08 |
| MinceR | what if i changed it to an video of child porn with an illegally obtained soundtrack on it | Apr 17 12:08 |
| schestowitz | They provide access to such material | Apr 17 12:08 |
| MinceR | would you consider yourself guilty? | Apr 17 12:08 |
| MinceR | note that you haven’t changed anything in your control, yet it points to something other than you intended | Apr 17 12:09 |
| MinceR | should people also be banned from publishing links to web searches since they can’t guarantee what comes up? | Apr 17 12:09 |
| oiaohm | ISP here are legally reposnable for all sites they host. There is a question if they are legally required to virus scan there caches. | Apr 17 12:09 |
| MinceR | why should they be? | Apr 17 12:09 |
| MinceR | if the user wants to be virus-free, he should scan their own stuff anyway | Apr 17 12:10 |
| oiaohm | ISP are also reposnable for removing are links. | Apr 17 12:10 |
| MinceR | or make sure their system is not vulnerable. | Apr 17 12:10 |
| oiaohm | From sites they host that point to illegal stuff. | Apr 17 12:10 |
| MinceR | perhaps politicians and legislators should stop looking for more fascistic ways to limit freedoms just because some asshole can rake in more money that way | Apr 17 12:10 |
| oiaohm | Remember person can profit from crime of illegal items though advertising. | Apr 17 12:11 |
| MinceR | then prove that they profited from it. | Apr 17 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Traffic can be profit. | Apr 17 12:11 |
| oiaohm | also providing links person can profit. | Apr 17 12:11 |
| MinceR | also, linking isn’t necessarily advertising. | Apr 17 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Linking is aways a form of advertising. | Apr 17 12:13 |
| zoobab01 | schestowitz: for Digistan, we are working on COSS: | Apr 17 12:13 |
| oiaohm | If no one can find there way to the illegal content how are they going to get it. | Apr 17 12:13 |
| zoobab01 | http://groups.google.com/group/comp…. | Apr 17 12:13 |
| zoobab01 | P2P standards | Apr 17 12:14 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: I mailed Linus about migration to GPLv3 because of patents (linking to SFLC) | Apr 17 12:14 |
| zoobab01 | no need of a Standards Body anymore | Apr 17 12:14 |
| schestowitz | I suppose you saw the SFLC post…? | Apr 17 12:14 |
| zoobab01 | he will say that GPLv3 is political | Apr 17 12:14 |
| zoobab01 | no? | Apr 17 12:14 |
| zoobab01 | url? | Apr 17 12:14 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so is a library catalog an advertisement too? | Apr 17 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Wait.. | Apr 17 12:14 |
| MinceR | is a directory listing in a filesystem advertising? | Apr 17 12:15 |
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| oiaohm | By law here listing illegal content in a library catalog providing way to access it is a breach. | Apr 17 12:15 |
| MinceR | you have stupid laws | Apr 17 12:16 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/b… | Apr 17 12:16 |
| MinceR | no news there | Apr 17 12:16 |
| oiaohm | So internet is getting no special treatment. | Apr 17 12:16 |
| MinceR | of course it isn’t | Apr 17 12:16 |
| MinceR | the people responsible for lawmaking don’t know anything about the internet | Apr 17 12:16 |
| oiaohm | Anti cracking laws here were design specially for internet secuirty problems. | Apr 17 12:17 |
| schestowitz | no nmap | Apr 17 12:17 |
| oiaohm | Copy right protection laws here did not need alteration. | Apr 17 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Because, of course, illegalising it would end crime LMAO | Apr 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | These people are patently idiots IMHO | Apr 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Very humble opinion | Apr 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | So they lock people out of nmap… | Apr 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Sure, sure… the CRIMINALS will be prevented access to this binary/code BECAUSE OF LAW | Apr 17 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Like content violators will be scared of DMCA or DRM… sure, sure.. | Apr 17 12:18 |
| oiaohm | nmap is legal here. | Apr 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | And banning pot will end it | Apr 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Rather than elevate its value | Apr 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | And criminalise some kids | Apr 17 12:19 |
| MinceR | it worked so well for ethanol | Apr 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Critimalising on the Web rarely stops something | Apr 17 12:19 |
| MinceR | oh, and guns | Apr 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Watch Craigslist and prostitutes | Apr 17 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Use of cracking tools on items you don’t own and don’t have approval to use land you in illegal trouble here. | Apr 17 12:19 |
| schestowitz | They just moved somewhere else. | Apr 17 12:19 |
| MinceR | these lawmakers live in an interesting world of law-abiding criminals. | Apr 17 12:19 |
| MinceR | an interesting _fantasy_ world. | Apr 17 12:20 |
| schestowitz | ..”law-abiding criminals.” |
Apr 17 12:20 |
| MinceR | (by their definition of “criminal”) | Apr 17 12:20 |
| MinceR | by my definition of “criminal”, there are a lot of criminals who might do their crimes while not breaking law | Apr 17 12:21 |
| MinceR | politicians, for example | Apr 17 12:21 |
| MinceR | and ballmer’s gang | Apr 17 12:21 |
| MinceR | they do nothing but cause harm to society | Apr 17 12:21 |
| MinceR | partly for their own gain and partly just for fun | Apr 17 12:22 |
| oiaohm | http://www.snopes.com/crime/sta… Guns is backed up by numbers MinceR | Apr 17 12:22 |
| schestowitz | More FOSS FUD from former Microsoft employee (feelin’ da heat !!): http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/… | Apr 17 12:22 |
| MinceR | where does it say that nobody owned guns outside the armed forces? | Apr 17 12:23 |
| MinceR | that’s right, nowhere | Apr 17 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Cutting automatic weapons and pump action cut 10 percent off or armed crime. | Apr 17 12:23 |
| MinceR | and you may want to check other places too, not just australia | Apr 17 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Australians are still able to get gun licences MinceR | Apr 17 12:23 |
| schestowitz | What are these for BTW? | Apr 17 12:23 |
| schestowitz | Guns I mean… for civilians. | Apr 17 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Just particular classes of weapons were removed. | Apr 17 12:24 |
| schestowitz | It’s the same issue with patents | Apr 17 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Most fun one here is a bullet proff vest is a restricted weapon here. | Apr 17 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes you need a licence to wear one. | Apr 17 12:24 |
| MinceR | let’s hear your outrageous arguments defending that. | Apr 17 12:25 |
| oiaohm | It works MinceR | Apr 17 12:25 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 17 12:25 |
| zer0c00l | Damn piratebay founders sent to jail: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/… | Apr 17 12:25 |
| MinceR | i have an idea | Apr 17 12:26 |
| zer0c00l | “It is almost certain that The Pirate Bay will keep on sailing, long after today’s court judgement” | Apr 17 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Now you see someone wearing body armor you know to run. | Apr 17 12:26 |
| MinceR | let’s kill everyone on Earth | Apr 17 12:26 |
| MinceR | i’m certain it will reduce all kinds of crime to 0! | Apr 17 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Or some way get out there way. | Apr 17 12:26 |
| schestowitz | I really dread the fact that some proprietary sw company created by former Microsofter speaks for FOSS: http://www.sdtimes.com/link/33421 | Apr 17 12:26 |
| MinceR | oh, i always wanted to flee. | Apr 17 12:26 |
| MinceR | it’s a fundamental need in my life to be oppressed, pushed around and hunted. | Apr 17 12:27 |
| MinceR | thankfully, i have the state to do that for me! | Apr 17 12:27 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: how do you think holding a gun makes you safer. | Apr 17 12:27 |
| MinceR | by shooting my enemy before he can kill me? | Apr 17 12:27 |
| MinceR | dead people don’t aim so well you know | Apr 17 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Also you can miss and hit someone who you should not. | Apr 17 12:28 |
| MinceR | so can the other guy | Apr 17 12:28 |
| MinceR | and guess what, so can armed forces | Apr 17 12:28 |
| oiaohm | the police can also shot the worng guy. | Apr 17 12:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie you. | Apr 17 12:28 |
| schestowitz | SUSE is having problems after Novell’s Microsoft deal: http://www.h-online.com/open/Health-Check-… | Apr 17 12:28 |
| zer0c00l | lol “It used to be only movies, now even verdicts are out before the official release.” | Apr 17 12:28 |
| zer0c00l | verdict leaked? | Apr 17 12:29 |
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| schestowitz | zer0c00l: yes, last nigth | Apr 17 12:29 |
| MinceR | especially if they don’t allow me to wear a bulletproof vest | Apr 17 12:29 |
| schestowitz | The TPB guys knew ahead of time | Apr 17 12:29 |
| oiaohm | Police also found since they are allowed bullet proff vests and normal people are not. Gun man is less likely to fight. | Apr 17 12:30 |
| schestowitz | “enemy” is subjective | Apr 17 12:30 |
| schestowitz | To say guns defend against enemies is foolish | Apr 17 12:30 |
| zoobab01 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?… | Apr 17 12:30 |
| oiaohm | Gun is a double sided item. | Apr 17 12:30 |
| schestowitz | It’s like vain nations that say they develop nuclear warheads for “defense” | Apr 17 12:30 |
| MinceR | and those gunmen won’t get bulletproof vests because it’s illegal and they’re law-abiding citizens! | Apr 17 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Nukes don’t offer any defence | Apr 17 12:30 |
| schestowitz | They create world atrocities. Period. | Apr 17 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Guns kill | Apr 17 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Guns never defend | Apr 17 12:31 |
| MinceR | while you’re at it, why not get some explosive collars any policeman can detonate by remote control? | Apr 17 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Wearing a bullet proof vest will get attention here. | Apr 17 12:31 |
| MinceR | it’s the same idea | Apr 17 12:31 |
| MinceR | taking away all power from citizens | Apr 17 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Except in case where cops lives were saved when people shot their pistol/holster | Apr 17 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Same with knifes | Apr 17 12:31 |
| oiaohm | So its not like a criminal is going to walk up to a bank undetected wearing one. | Apr 17 12:31 |
| MinceR | then you can push them around with impunity | Apr 17 12:31 |
| schestowitz | There’s a campaign here about knifes turning against their owners | Apr 17 12:31 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: I saw this video this morning (DM link) | Apr 17 12:32 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: was the siren related to his speech? | Apr 17 12:32 |
| schestowitz | The lady asked him to end | Apr 17 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Reduction in guns also reduced number of kids harmed by miss stored guns. | Apr 17 12:33 |
| oiaohm | Guns are + and -. Killing feature of them make them a problem. | Apr 17 12:33 |
| MinceR | there’s a law of nature that if someone owns a gun and he’s not in any armed forces, he’ll store their gun in clear access for their kids. | Apr 17 12:33 |
| MinceR | the killing feature makes them what they are. | Apr 17 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Kids locks keys. | Apr 17 12:34 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of kids you cannot keep out of things. | Apr 17 12:34 |
| MinceR | then don’t get a gun. | Apr 17 12:34 |
| iwmw | what are you talking about? people without guns/knives are just sheeps in the sheep-pen | Apr 17 12:34 |
| MinceR | or a kid. | Apr 17 12:34 |
| MinceR | iwmw: exactly | Apr 17 12:34 |
| oiaohm | Law here does not block you from having every class of weapon with the right storage and classifation. | Apr 17 12:35 |
| zer0c00l | https://thepiratebay.org/special… | Apr 17 12:35 |
| iwmw | oiaohm: law also turns against those who use the weapon | Apr 17 12:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie ammorers here are allowed to have everything. | Apr 17 12:36 |
| iwmw | it means that if you have a gun | Apr 17 12:36 |
| iwmw | you’re almost not allowed to use it | Apr 17 12:36 |
| iwmw | unless you want to go directly to jail | Apr 17 12:36 |
| iwmw | even if you defended yourself | Apr 17 12:37 |
| oiaohm | Security guards are allowed to use theres to defend self. | Apr 17 12:37 |
| iwmw | against multiple attackers | Apr 17 12:37 |
| oiaohm | Its all about the right classivation. | Apr 17 12:37 |
| iwmw | it’s about right laws | Apr 17 12:37 |
| iwmw | in russia they are pretty fucked up | Apr 17 12:37 |
| oiaohm | To get those classicafications you have to be trained to use them correctly and store them correctly. | Apr 17 12:37 |
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| iwmw | and guess what then? | Apr 17 12:38 |
| oiaohm | There is no point in a person having a gun if they cannot use it correctly. | Apr 17 12:38 |
| iwmw | mkay, you can use it correctly | Apr 17 12:38 |
| oiaohm | And shots like a stack of by standing people. | Apr 17 12:38 |
| schestowitz | More on the success story in RP: One of the Philippines Leading Retailers to Use Linux-based System < http://www.junauza.com/2009/04/one-of-phi… > | Apr 17 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Laws here don’t forbid gun owner ship. | Apr 17 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Just put requirements on it. | Apr 17 12:39 |
| iwmw | oiaohm: laws here do the same | Apr 17 12:39 |
| oiaohm | So preventing idiots and insane from having them. | Apr 17 12:39 |
| iwmw | oiaohm: you don’t look at another side | Apr 17 12:39 |
| oiaohm | The idea arm everyone some how makes it better. It don’t. | Apr 17 12:40 |
| iwmw | and at that side when you’re trained to correctly use the gun and get one | Apr 17 12:40 |
| iwmw | you’re actually not allowed to use it when you should | Apr 17 12:41 |
| iwmw | in russia you actually is not allowed to even defend yourself properly | Apr 17 12:42 |
| oiaohm | If you have the right class of licence for defend you are allowed to here. | Apr 17 12:42 |
| iwmw | ’cause if you kill the attacker or break smth you will most likely to go to jail | Apr 17 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Many cases were killing criminal has been legal. | Apr 17 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Ok killing not armed criminal lands you in trouble. | Apr 17 12:43 |
| iwmw | and that’s a total bs | Apr 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | iwmw: similar case in the UK | Apr 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | maybe not in the US | Apr 17 12:43 |
| oiaohm | If you have non leathal weapons. | Apr 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Land of the 2 inch barrel and the farmer with his daughter | Apr 17 12:43 |
| schestowitz | Some kid got shot in the back ages ago… and then the debate awoke | Apr 17 12:44 |
| schestowitz |  Argh! The Microsoft liars are still relying on fake surveys…sometimes the survey /numbers/ are cooked. I have evidence of IDC/MS doing it. |
Apr 17 12:44 |
| oiaohm | An ammorer here I know has a full tank its even legal for him to take it on road. | Apr 17 12:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what is nonlethal weapon? | Apr 17 12:44 |
| schestowitz | It’s like saying, friendly enemy | Apr 17 12:44 |
| oiaohm | Tazers/peper spray/rubber bullets. Ok weapons not intenendt to kill. | Apr 17 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Even glue traps. | Apr 17 12:45 |
| oiaohm | Kinda a very warped hand grand that basically creates a sticky mess. | Apr 17 12:46 |
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| tacone | http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-… |
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| schestowitz | zoobab01: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/2009… http://www.linuxjournal.com/cont… | Apr 17 12:48 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Sarko will be gettin’ some tonight | Apr 17 12:48 |
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| iwmw | wtf | Apr 17 12:51 |
| iwmw | you mean, they killed tpb? | Apr 17 12:51 |
| tacone | 900.000$ each guy | Apr 17 12:51 |
| iwmw | and 1 year in prison | Apr 17 12:51 |
| tacone | and 1 year jail | Apr 17 12:51 |
| tacone | but they will appeal to the high court, so it’s not over. | Apr 17 12:52 |
| schestowitz | They go to Microsoft? | Apr 17 12:52 |
| tacone | and they claim not to know where the servers really are. so nothing will be shut down – claims sunde | Apr 17 12:52 |
| iwmw | i think that that court was bought | Apr 17 12:52 |
| schestowitz | I thought so too | Apr 17 12:52 |
| tacone | obviously | Apr 17 12:52 |
| schestowitz | What are the chances? | Apr 17 12:52 |
| schestowitz | Think of the vested interests. | Apr 17 12:52 |
| tacone | the sentence has leaked at least 1 hour before. | Apr 17 12:52 |
| Omar871 | So, you guys have heard of the The Pirate Bay case, eh? | Apr 17 12:53 |
| tacone | no reason to make the sentence leak if they’re not bought. | Apr 17 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Some US Judges recently got caught for corruption | Apr 17 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Not just one | Apr 17 12:53 |
| schestowitz | And you may assume this to be just the case where they got CAUGHT | Apr 17 12:53 |
| schestowitz | There’s lots more like that AND | Apr 17 12:53 |
| Omar871 | What do you guys think of the case? | Apr 17 12:53 |
| schestowitz | The RIAA got caught appointing a crony as a judge last year | Apr 17 12:53 |
| schestowitz | That’s factual | Apr 17 12:53 |
| schestowitz | OBAMAA put 5 RIAA lawyers in charge already | Apr 17 12:54 |
| tacone | 3.6 millions USD they can find easily just with the donate button. | Apr 17 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe even more | Apr 17 12:54 |
| schestowitz | 5 are those we know about… | Apr 17 12:54 |
| tacone | 1 year of jail… bad thing. | Apr 17 12:54 |
| Omar871 | And, why The Pirate Bay only? | Apr 17 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Big victim | Apr 17 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Make the smaller ones scared | Apr 17 12:54 |
| tacone | because TBP is the one getting sue | Apr 17 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Same reason the US invaded Iraq | Apr 17 12:54 |
| schestowitz | It was to create awe and fear | Apr 17 12:55 |
| Omar871 | I mean is it the only site that contains copyrighted content? | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | “Showing who’s the boss so to speak” | Apr 17 12:55 |
| tacone | other torrent sites have been shut down. but they didn’t oppose resistance. | Apr 17 12:55 |
| Omar871 | Oh | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | So all the TPB lookalikes will be dreading too now | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | BUT | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | The issue I have is this | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | There are many similar services that are not identical | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Like Google | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Like Yahoo | Apr 17 12:55 |
| tacone | on the other hand, TPB was HARD to bring down. | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Like MSN | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | You put in song name | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | You get results | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | This led to lawsuits in CHina | Apr 17 12:55 |
| tacone | in fact, they are still not brought down. | Apr 17 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Is Europe next? | Apr 17 12:55 |
| tacone | one women claims | Apr 17 12:56 |
| schestowitz | What about sharers? | Apr 17 12:56 |
| schestowitz | They WON”T STOP | Apr 17 12:56 |
| Omar871 | So, have they really defeated TPB now? | Apr 17 12:56 |
| tacone | that this sentence may open the way to sue ISPS | Apr 17 12:56 |
| schestowitz | They have 1 terabyte external HDDs | Apr 17 12:56 |
| Omar871 | Will it be shut down? | Apr 17 12:56 |
| schestowitz | They’ll just change mode of sharing | Apr 17 12:56 |
| tacone | and slow down broadband spreading in EU | Apr 17 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Or encrypt their traffic | Apr 17 12:56 |
| schestowitz | So nothing it solved here | Apr 17 12:56 |
| schestowitz | They just relocate the sharing | Apr 17 12:56 |
| tacone | Omar871: sunde stated it will be hard to shut down TPB even if they loose the appeal | Apr 17 12:56 |
| zoobab01 | TPB relies on TOR | Apr 17 12:57 |
| tacone | the location of the server is – according to him – unknown even to them. | Apr 17 12:57 |
| Omar871 | TOR? | Apr 17 12:57 |
| schestowitz | tacone: the bext they can do is strip DNS | Apr 17 12:57 |
| schestowitz | But then… | Apr 17 12:57 |
| zoobab01 | http://www.torproject.org/ | Apr 17 12:57 |
| schestowitz | people will breoacast IPs | Apr 17 12:57 |
| schestowitz | And they’ll play whack-a-mole | Apr 17 12:57 |
| tacone | they can hide behind tor as a DNS system | Apr 17 12:58 |
| tacone | or other services too large to be put in cause | Apr 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Apr 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | I small another DE crackdown.. | Apr 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | Rias.. | Apr 17 12:58 |
| schestowitz | raid | Apr 17 12:58 |
| tacone | I think it’s time to get some alternative DNS system. | Apr 17 12:58 |
| iwmw | we better make different internets | Apr 17 12:59 |
| oiaohm | LOL | Apr 17 12:59 |
| oiaohm | tor is tracable. | Apr 17 12:59 |
| tacone | we might ship cd’s with ordinary mail. | Apr 17 12:59 |
| MinceR | it’s traceable if you’ve compromised enough nodes :> | Apr 17 12:59 |
| oiaohm | Its also traceable by timing attack MinceR | Apr 17 13:00 |
| MinceR | i think it’s time to lobby for a huge bandwidth extension to the internet | Apr 17 13:00 |
| MinceR | and then we can just use freenet or whatever. | Apr 17 13:00 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: but timings are configurable, aren’t they? | Apr 17 13:00 |
| MinceR | also, if enough users are there it becomes less feasible | Apr 17 13:00 |
| iwmw | did anyone see the videos: http://thepiratebay.org/special/2… ? | Apr 17 13:01 |
| MinceR | a bit of it | Apr 17 13:01 |
| MinceR | tl;dw | Apr 17 13:01 |
| iwmw | i will only be able to look at them at home | Apr 17 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Tor timings are not configurable. | Apr 17 13:02 |
| oiaohm | Link though Tor for a single lasting connection like irc goes though the same nodes repeatly. | Apr 17 13:02 |
| MinceR | ic | Apr 17 13:03 |
| oiaohm | So its not what you call bomb proff to monitoring while in use. | Apr 17 13:03 |
| MinceR | even then you’ll need to see traffic around all nodes | Apr 17 13:03 |
| iwmw | it’s so funny how freenode supports tor | Apr 17 13:03 |
| oiaohm | You only need to see traffic at the ends. | Apr 17 13:03 |
| oiaohm | timing of the packets passing though tor can confirm if you are close to the end points. | Apr 17 13:04 |
| iwmw | you gotta register your identity firstly then you can use tor | Apr 17 13:04 |
| oiaohm | If it was changing paths between nodes all the time you could not follow. | Apr 17 13:04 |
| schestowitz | I can’t reach TPB  |
Apr 17 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Basically enough packets and Tor network hide is rendered usless. | Apr 17 13:05 |
| iwmw | strange, it’s opening here | Apr 17 13:05 |
| tacone | i can. | Apr 17 13:05 |
| tacone | the videos are skippy | Apr 17 13:06 |
| tacone | too many people watching. | Apr 17 13:06 |
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| schestowitz | tacone: so they should make a torrent |
Apr 17 13:07 |
| schestowitz | I’ve only ever used BitTorrent legally | Apr 17 13:07 |
| tacone | they probably did. | Apr 17 13:08 |
| trmanco | hi all | Apr 17 13:08 |
| Shadycat | TPB 12 months, whats the point | Apr 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | “Show them and scare the rest” | Apr 17 13:09 |
| schestowitz | Divide and conquer | Apr 17 13:09 |
| Shadycat | Send it underground more like | Apr 17 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Anything preventing Linux-dedicated torrent services from getting polluted by bad stuff | Apr 17 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Like someone putting porn under a name like ubuntu-x86-9.04.iso? | Apr 17 13:10 |
| schestowitz | They just can’t police binary data which people share | Apr 17 13:10 |
| Shadycat | encrypted connections, remote proxies, ISP’s that dont really care | Apr 17 13:11 |
| Shadycat | it wont stop | Apr 17 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Again how many people would find that simply. | Apr 17 13:11 |
| tacone | “so go ahead sue google” | Apr 17 13:12 |
| Shadycat | TPB never did anything wrong really, its like hammering google for supplying a means to find things | Apr 17 13:12 |
| oiaohm | They have in the past. | Apr 17 13:12 |
| oiaohm | Youtube has to respond to take downs. | Apr 17 13:13 |
| oiaohm | TPB told take down request to get stuffed. | Apr 17 13:14 |
| iwmw | tpb got a kewl advertisement by that court | Apr 17 13:14 |
| tacone | they wonder why didn’t google volounteer to help them. | Apr 17 13:14 |
| oiaohm | So they are getting stuffed. | Apr 17 13:14 |
| iwmw | now they can sell tpb for much more than that sum | Apr 17 13:14 |
| oiaohm | You cannot really defend someone who shows disrespect. | Apr 17 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Now if TPB a was responding to take down requests. It would have been another matter. | Apr 17 13:15 |
| Shadycat | True but its a political stance | Apr 17 13:15 |
| oiaohm | Yep do the wrong things lose. | Apr 17 13:15 |
| schestowitz | tacone: put some queries in Google | Apr 17 13:15 |
| oiaohm | anti-virus people like me also hated that TPB would not take down infected files. | Apr 17 13:15 |
| tacone | schestowitz: ? | Apr 17 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Something like ‘index of mp3′ | Apr 17 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Directory content | Apr 17 13:16 |
| tacone | i know google indexes ‘em | Apr 17 13:16 |
| schestowitz | You could accuse Google of proving links to servers with files on them | Apr 17 13:16 |
| MinceR | i thought that would help antivirus people get more profit  |
Apr 17 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Same thing as TPB | Apr 17 13:16 |
| Shadycat | its about being bullied to comply, most people dont even know about linux because M$ bullies the marked, webbooks are a good example | Apr 17 13:16 |
| schestowitz | But Google is a registered business | Apr 17 13:16 |
| schestowitz | and google makes money with ads that way | Apr 17 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Just a case of point.. | Apr 17 13:16 |
| tacone | no ads on that search | Apr 17 13:16 |
| tacone | i think they carefully avoid putting ads on that kind of queries. | Apr 17 13:17 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: so do you want to ban web search? :> | Apr 17 13:17 |
| tacone | if they don’t to profit on those searches, they’re kinda clean. | Apr 17 13:17 |
| iwmw | google should be banned | Apr 17 13:17 |
| oiaohm | There is a difference here. | Apr 17 13:17 |
| MinceR | google should be, but web search in general? | Apr 17 13:17 |
| iwmw | nope | Apr 17 13:18 |
| oiaohm | If I find a site virus infected that google has indexed I report it to them. | Apr 17 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Google encouraGES PIRACY |
Apr 17 13:18 |
| oiaohm | It will be removed. | Apr 17 13:18 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: nope. if library catalogs are advertisement then so are search engines. | Apr 17 13:18 |
| schestowitz | The Pirate Google (TPG) | Apr 17 13:18 |
| Shadycat | lol | Apr 17 13:18 |
| schestowitz | It’s just used by angry kids to download music | Apr 17 13:18 |
| schestowitz | And to get cr4acked software | Apr 17 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Again google does not refuse take down requests. | Apr 17 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Sue them. | Apr 17 13:18 |
| schestowitz | They don’t even know how many servers they have | Apr 17 13:18 |
| tacone | they just handle it one by one. as well as tpb | Apr 17 13:18 |
| Shadycat | and virus for the malware magnet most of the run | Apr 17 13:18 |
| oiaohm | Same with a library if you find something illegal in there open cat that should be in the restricted you report it to them. | Apr 17 13:19 |
| tacone | difference is tpb only handles take down requests by police. | Apr 17 13:19 |
| tacone | if you find paedophily | Apr 17 13:19 |
| tacone | they encourage you to report it to police | Apr 17 13:19 |
| tacone | not to theme. | Apr 17 13:19 |
| tacone | them. | Apr 17 13:19 |
| iwmw | first you gotta download it | Apr 17 13:19 |
| iwmw | and then watch for hours | Apr 17 13:19 |
| oiaohm | They move it they have no fowl. | Apr 17 13:20 |
| iwmw | until you realise that the girl is young | Apr 17 13:20 |
| iwmw | she’s definitely 17.5, not 18 | Apr 17 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Watch how Microsoft profits (with ads) for people looking for a free ride: | Apr 17 13:20 |
| schestowitz | http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=m… | Apr 17 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Sue Microsoft! | Apr 17 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Pirates | Apr 17 13:20 |
| oiaohm | tacone: again duty of care. | Apr 17 13:20 |
| schestowitz | iwmw: soem teachers was accused of this | Apr 17 13:21 |
| oiaohm | Instead of taking the offencive they pass it off to police. | Apr 17 13:21 |
| schestowitz | For reporting something, which means handling | Apr 17 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Then there were the kids sexting | Apr 17 13:21 |
| tacone | oiaohm: tpb is following swedish laws. not American’s. | Apr 17 13:21 |
| oiaohm | So that means the window that the content is displays is up longer. | Apr 17 13:21 |
| oiaohm | swedish laws don’t forbid a site from self cenering content. | Apr 17 13:22 |
| oiaohm | If the content is a risk to users. | Apr 17 13:22 |
| oiaohm | Like virus infected. | Apr 17 13:22 |
| oiaohm | My hate of them is pure line they took they they could just completely drop duty of care for there users. | Apr 17 13:23 |
| Shadycat | What will they do when its hosted in a country where the laws dont apply | Apr 17 13:25 |
| MinceR | or you could just care about what code you run or your machine. | Apr 17 13:25 |
| MinceR | Shadycat: they’ll try to convince obama to bomb that country, of course | Apr 17 13:25 |
| Shadycat | Maybe | Apr 17 13:25 |
| MinceR | because they’re turrists | Apr 17 13:25 |
| Shadycat | lol | Apr 17 13:26 |
| iwmw | countries should be bombed | Apr 17 13:26 |
| MinceR | and obama just does what his paying clients tell him to | Apr 17 13:26 |
| iwmw | especially the most peaceful ones | Apr 17 13:26 |
| iwmw | like any other politician | Apr 17 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Duty of Care line is in most countries bar the ones at war. Ok not a place where I would want a server. | Apr 17 13:26 |
| oiaohm | Anyone else not noticed google’s malware warnings. | Apr 17 13:28 |
| MinceR | i remember when google decided everything was a malware site | Apr 17 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Yep glitch. | Apr 17 13:31 |
| oiaohm | No filtering system is glitch free. At least attempting to do the right thing keeps people like me on your side. | Apr 17 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Attempt | Apr 17 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Not a block | Apr 17 13:35 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: do i want to keep you on my side? :> | Apr 17 13:36 |
| iwmw | as for me the filter should be optional | Apr 17 13:37 |
| iwmw | and they shouldn’t exclude ANY sites from indexing | Apr 17 13:38 |
| MinceR | agreed | Apr 17 13:38 |
| iwmw | even those containing viruses and illegal stuff | Apr 17 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Not sure you would see it the same way after understanding the costs. | Apr 17 13:46 |
| oiaohm | As viruses get more advanced more of them are getting anti-virus and other protection software disabling. | Apr 17 13:47 |
| iwmw | and what | Apr 17 13:47 |
| iwmw | that site shouldn’t be removed from indexing but blocked by optional filter | Apr 17 13:48 |
| oiaohm | They day will come that protection software will be that large that computer cannot work if you run it unless there is work to remove viruses from circulation. | Apr 17 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact detection software has limits. | Apr 17 13:49 |
| iwmw | isn’t protection software already overbloated? | Apr 17 13:49 |
| oiaohm | It gets worse the more viruses that are in active circulation. | Apr 17 13:49 |
| MinceR | and that’s what access control and clueful users are for. |
Apr 17 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Do you need root to spam everyone. | Apr 17 13:50 |
| oiaohm | does a virus need root to replacte and cause hurm. | Apr 17 13:51 |
| oiaohm | As now. | Apr 17 13:51 |
| MinceR | do you need root to infect executables in /bin, /sbin, /usr/bin or /usr/sbin? | Apr 17 13:51 |
| oiaohm | nop. | Apr 17 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Infecting core executables just provides a way to rapply infect everyone on machine. | Apr 17 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Not that its required so viruses can stay spreeding. | Apr 17 13:52 |
| MinceR | is it possible to only allow certain processes to access the network? yes it is. | Apr 17 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Without very tight rules nothing stops a virus from controlling the applciations users can use to access the network. | Apr 17 13:52 |
| MinceR | also not all protection mechanisms are about keeping a huge database around and looking for patterns from it. | Apr 17 13:52 |
| MinceR | not all of them have performance costs. | Apr 17 13:53 |
| oiaohm | I know not all. | Apr 17 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Part of protection is also removing source. | Apr 17 13:54 |
| MinceR | then there’s EMP. :> | Apr 17 13:55 |
| tacone | oiaohm: agreed | Apr 17 13:56 |
| oiaohm | If site running people take responsable for cleaning up infections like everyone else has to. Spreeds can be better controlled. | Apr 17 13:56 |
| tacone | (about not neededing root) | Apr 17 13:56 |
| MinceR | there are other considerations too, not just controlling spreads. | Apr 17 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes OS secuirty is important. | Apr 17 13:57 |
| oiaohm | By slowing the spreed you increase the time users have to get thre machine secuirty patched. | Apr 17 13:57 |
| MinceR | i still think it’s a bad idea to enforce limitations on search engines. | Apr 17 13:57 |
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| oiaohm | Googles can be clicked passed. | Apr 17 13:58 |
| oiaohm | They warn you twice. | Apr 17 13:58 |
| MinceR | it can also probably be completely removed via greasemonkey, for example. :> | Apr 17 13:58 |
| oiaohm | That is user going out of there way to be harmed. | Apr 17 13:59 |
| MinceR | or it isn’t. | Apr 17 14:00 |
| oiaohm | TPB had many options. Removing the tracker for a torrent slows its effectiveness of spreed. | Apr 17 14:00 |
| oiaohm | So buying time. | Apr 17 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Does it stop a torrent from spreeding completely no. | Apr 17 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Can that alert people that there is a problem. | Apr 17 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes. | Apr 17 14:01 |
| MinceR | not completely? now there’s a joke | Apr 17 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Emule and other systems. | Apr 17 14:02 |
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