| schestowitz |
I know sites that offer services |
Dec 29 15:16 |
| schestowitz |
Like search lookups or Digg API-based tools |
Dec 29 15:16 |
| schestowitz |
But what are they doing really? |
Dec 29 15:16 |
| schestowitz |
They sure are self-funded and they offer not much of use, so they get abandoned. |
Dec 29 15:16 |
| trmanco |
keeping a record of uptimes that’s all |
Dec 29 15:17 |
| schestowitz |
Newsflash… |
Dec 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz |
PJ might no longer do Groklaw |
Dec 29 15:24 |
| trmanco |
:O |
Dec 29 15:24 |
| trmanco |
why is that? |
Dec 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz |
Long story. |
Dec 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz |
Want me to bore you with a long story? |
Dec 29 15:24 |
| schestowitz |
It’s annoying. Lots of sites are dying, and not just FOSS sites but also news site (I mentioned ECT the other day). |
Dec 29 15:25 |
| schestowitz |
UK wants to censor the web now < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/ne… > |
Dec 29 15:27 |
| schestowitz |
Looks like even Mr. MS TE has run out of gas at his blog after a strong start; hopefully he’ll pick up steam again. We’ll find out some more about Microsoft’s unethical behaviour. |
Dec 29 15:27 |
| schestowitz |
Here’s something of interest, since I’ve just had a conversation about it. |
Dec 29 15:33 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll spill my mind out quickly.  |
Dec 29 15:33 |
| schestowitz |
As you may aware, I was drawn to a world of research that I did not know too well but fulfilled my curiosity nonetheless (no, not my academic field). The things people said about critics… the way people were threatened… you can maybe find it in the archives on the Internet, but I prefer not to give it visibility. |
Dec 29 15:34 |
| schestowitz |
Hard experiences can change a person and a person’s writing style. PJ uses a style that’s kind of decent – she didn’t mince words, but I think that there was enough of a difference that she was taken more seriously by the media, and therefore was frequently quoted. |
Dec 29 15:35 |
| schestowitz |
So anyway, maybe it’s time for BN to tone it down a bit |
Dec 29 15:35 |
| schestowitz |
With PJ perhaps permanently giving up active management to Groklaw, we might want to consider where we want to set the tone control at the site, as I expect we should see a big bump of traffic coming your way. |
Dec 29 15:36 |
| schestowitz |
These links from Wintel press add very little to us because we deliver 22,000+ pages/day. The participation level from readers is low though. Maybe it’s because of the language used.. and the trolls who attack readers. |
Dec 29 15:36 |
| schestowitz |
Many sites die and I don’t want to see BN going the way of the dodo. Shane, my co-editor, is in a similar situation (his sarcasm was misunderstood last night). Bruce Perens likewise… and many more sites that I read… they drop like flies. I reckon the economic crisis may be related to it, at least in part. |
Dec 29 15:37 |
| schestowitz |
So I’ll try to sound more formal. I will bear this in mind when I write, but if I slip, drop me a note and tell me off. Another issue is the sneaking of bad language through commenters who are trying to do exactly that and bring me/the site down to their level. Groklaw deleted obscene comments for this reason. |
Dec 29 15:38 |
| schestowitz |
Then again, re: language, I don’t know whether that’s a good idea or not, as the style may be very effective, and we’re clearly pulling good traffic, so a lot of folks are tuning in to hear what we have to say. |
Dec 29 15:39 |
| schestowitz |
I’ve been in contact with PJ for almost 3 years and she too was drawn into being more emotional when she typed (we all need ‘cool down’ time sometimes, but when you post at a high pace, there is no such time). She did preach to me about writing style and there are still temptations to deviate and to just spell out what you know for a fact sometimes. |
Dec 29 15:39 |
| schestowitz |
I keep trying to improve by slowing down and taking time to ‘cool off’ because mood affects language (and vice versa). |
Dec 29 15:39 |
| schestowitz |
To use a sketchy analogy, there are things we are not allowed to say or do, but it is hard to avoid them, even it costs us our reputation. I still learn to restrain myself and not to read the libel about me as it only distracts. I don’t censor anyone and it comes at a cost. It means you’re sunk down to troll’s level. |
Dec 29 15:40 |
| schestowitz |
The real reason for all this is that it’s important that we use sources with a range of reputations for impartiality, not trolls. |
Dec 29 15:41 |
| schestowitz |
Watch how Beranger gets ignored by almost everyone |
Dec 29 15:41 |
| schestowitz |
If we were all as pointed in our styles, then Microsoft, SCO et al could simply say, “Pay no attention to them – they clearly have an axe to grind, and it wouldn’t matter what we do, they would still trash us.” That would leave only the secret Microsoft supporters for people to listen to. |
Dec 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz |
That said, BN was cited by Spiegel, Forbes, InformationWeek, IDG (e.g. ComputerWorld), OpenOffice.org front page, etc. People appreciate what they find there and while many are shy to comment and cite they /do/ read it. |
Dec 29 15:42 |
| schestowitz |
Likewise, I read some literature and watch some videos that I would rather not cite… about government-induced ignorance and propaganda (even explained by distinguished professors). It helps people like us understand how things work, and how they can be generalised, and what we can pick from them. |
Dec 29 15:43 |
| schestowitz |
Part of what I think people pay a lot of attention to is just style. So I’ll try and avoid words like “shill,” “puppet,” and so on, and let the facts speak for themselves, while at the same time not trying to disguise or hide my opinions. |
Dec 29 15:43 |
| schestowitz |
zoobab: NoOOXML failed this test too. Sadly for me, Shane chose a bad site name, which I was never happy with but still unable to change. The name leads to prejudice. From a practical point of view, relocation is not possible now.  No-OOXML does not sound exactly like an impartial source, does it? |
Dec 29 15:44 |
| schestowitz |
As PJ said, the k00k status the trolls gave critics using endless libel might make it harder to be treated fairly. The way these things work, the slime tries bringing you down to its levels so that you’ll be seen or perceived as slime. The places where I post have intelligent people, but they are not moderated, so they get abused like you wouldn’t imagine. |
Dec 29 15:45 |
| schestowitz |
trmanco: that’s why the trolls in COLA fake people like Terry and attack RMS so frequently. |
Dec 29 15:46 |
| trmanco |
 |
Dec 29 15:46 |
| schestowitz |
They haven’t attacked you yet, have they? |
Dec 29 15:47 |
| schestowitz |
When they do, you’ll know you do something right.  |
Dec 29 15:47 |
| schestowitz |
They also stalk me in Digg where they attack me with words and mod points. |
Dec 29 15:47 |
| schestowitz |
They do the same to twitter in Slashdot |
Dec 29 15:47 |
| schestowitz |
They attack him, lead him to escaping to new accounts and then attack those too |
Dec 29 15:48 |
| schestowitz |
Not that I endorse the idiotic idea of multiple accounts |
Dec 29 15:48 |
| schestowitz |
But I can understand his frustration because silencing the messenger is exactly what they tried to do |
Dec 29 15:48 |
| schestowitz |
And one former admin of Slashdot has just conffrmred to me that Micrrosoft does do this in Slashdot |
Dec 29 15:49 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t know about Digg, but it”s similar. |
Dec 29 15:49 |
| schestowitz |
They see IPs and stuff that people can’t see. |
Dec 29 15:49 |
| schestowitz |
So it’s only natural to assume that they very well know what they have in their hands and in Slashdot, for example, they put twitter in the front page quite a lot |
Dec 29 15:50 |
| schestowitz |
They know he’s being targetted. |
Dec 29 15:50 |
| schestowitz |
Anywhoo… that’s me getting back to my thing. I need to write a report |
Dec 29 15:50 |
| trmanco |
LOL ok |
Dec 29 15:56 |
| schestowitz |
Mostly omission of cruft |
Dec 29 15:57 |
| Omar87 |
Is it true that the FaunOS project has been discontinued? |
Dec 29 16:00 |
| schestowitz |
Likely |
Dec 29 16:02 |
| schestowitz |
I haven’t heard about it in almost a year |
Dec 29 16:02 |
| schestowitz |
1970: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h1A2ZZAfEn8 |
Dec 29 16:13 |
| Omar87 |
schestowitz: Okay this is weird. |
Dec 29 16:22 |
| Omar87 |
When I checked it out on DistroWatch, it clearly says: “This distribution is active”, and the same thing with Arch Linux. |
Dec 29 16:23 |
| trmanco |
Arch Linux is active |
Dec 29 16:23 |
| Omar87 |
But how come on Wikipedia, it says: “as of semptember 2008″, this project has been discontinued.. ?_? |
Dec 29 16:24 |
| Omar87 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FaunOS |
Dec 29 16:24 |
| trmanco |
I have no idea |
Dec 29 16:24 |
| Omar87 |
This means that either the DistroWatch page is out-dated, or that the WikiPedia page is a made by one of those little brats.. |
Dec 29 16:27 |
| Omar87 |
What freaks you out even more is that the FaunOS site, itself doesn’t say anything about discontinuation. |
Dec 29 16:29 |
| schestowitz |
Out of date I reckon |
Dec 29 16:29 |
| Omar87 |
What is out of date? |
Dec 29 16:30 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.google.com/search?num=50&… |
Dec 29 16:30 |
| schestowitz |
” FaunOS (discontinued lasdt September 2008)” |
Dec 29 16:31 |
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Dec 29 16:35 |
| seller_liar |
Damn! |
Dec 29 16:35 |
| seller_liar |
Novell is attacking OO again! |
Dec 29 16:35 |
| seller_liar |
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl… |
Dec 29 16:35 |
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Dec 29 16:42 |
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Dec 29 16:45 |
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Dec 29 16:45 |
| seller_liar |
Hey homer |
Dec 29 16:46 |
| seller_liar |
Novell is attacking again |
Dec 29 16:46 |
| seller_liar |
Why we must do? |
Dec 29 16:46 |
| seller_liar |
What we must do? |
Dec 29 16:46 |
| schestowitz |
Hey |
Dec 29 16:47 |
| seller_liar |
hello rot |
Dec 29 16:47 |
| seller_liar |
roy |
Dec 29 16:47 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: I wrote about it twice |
Dec 29 16:47 |
| schestowitz |
common typo. I do it too sometimes |
Dec 29 16:47 |
| seller_liar |
I know |
Dec 29 16:47 |
| schestowitz |
What else can I do? |
Dec 29 16:47 |
| schestowitz |
Some sites linked to my rebuttals. |
Dec 29 16:47 |
| seller_liar |
I was trying to read slashdot arguments |
Dec 29 16:48 |
| seller_liar |
and I was trying to destroy novell arguments |
Dec 29 16:48 |
| schestowitz |
Slashdot is airing old new |
Dec 29 16:48 |
| schestowitz |
*news. Shame on them |
Dec 29 16:48 |
| schestowitz |
Two companies gain from this |
Dec 29 16:48 |
| seller_liar |
But I was reading the arguments |
Dec 29 16:48 |
| schestowitz |
Novell, because it’s more pwoer and support contracts |
Dec 29 16:48 |
| seller_liar |
Some people try to defend |
Dec 29 16:48 |
| schestowitz |
Microsoft too, as it makes another civil war |
Dec 29 16:48 |
| schestowitz |
Fragmentation and all… |
Dec 29 16:48 |
| seller_liar |
I remember , it’s similar at rms vs theo |
Dec 29 16:49 |
| seller_liar |
Hey roy ,try to do some questions in openoffice site |
Dec 29 16:49 |
| seller_liar |
Try to contact oo devs |
Dec 29 16:50 |
| seller_liar |
and explains the reasons for Sun don t permit all contribuitiosn |
Dec 29 16:50 |
| seller_liar |
*and try to ask the reasons for oo does not permit all contribs |
Dec 29 16:50 |
| schestowitz |
I know the reaons. |
Dec 29 16:51 |
| seller_liar |
Tell me |
Dec 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz |
It’s accentuated by Novells |
Dec 29 16:51 |
| seller_liar |
Business? |
Dec 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz |
*Novell |
Dec 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz |
Control over code, just like in Linux. |
Dec 29 16:51 |
| schestowitz |
You can’t slip things into Linux, either. |
Dec 29 16:52 |
| seller_liar |
Control over code is important for Sun.Sun is the major open souce contrbutor and needs thist type of controle |
Dec 29 16:52 |
| schestowitz |
Meeks daemonises OOo based on character (“they are bad people”) and technical stuff (“they lack features, so download Go-OOXML”) |
Dec 29 16:52 |
| seller_liar |
What novell wants? |
Dec 29 16:53 |
| schestowitz |
seller_liar: businesses would not pick something built by any arbitrary patcher, either. OOo is an important project |
Dec 29 16:53 |
| seller_liar |
Novell wants to own OO |
Dec 29 16:53 |
| schestowitz |
it stores national archives and such, billing, etc. |
Dec 29 16:53 |
| seller_liar |
seller_liar: Of course |
Dec 29 16:53 |
| schestowitz |
Look how WordPress got poisoned |
Dec 29 16:53 |
| schestowitz |
Someone sneaked in a back door… I can’t recall which version |
Dec 29 16:53 |
| schestowitz |
To Microsoft it almost happened too |
Dec 29 16:53 |
| schestowitz |
They caught and arrested the culprit in India |
Dec 29 16:54 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* @ <seller_liar> seller_liar: Of course |
Dec 29 16:54 |
| schestowitz |
It’s like in Lord of the Rings. |
Dec 29 16:54 |
| schestowitz |
“My preeeeecious |
Dec 29 16:54 |
| seller_liar |
If all organizations and govts uses go-ooxml ,m$ gains power because |
Dec 29 16:54 |
| seller_liar |
OOXML |
Dec 29 16:54 |
| seller_liar |
schestowitz: Oh sorry |
Dec 29 16:54 |
| schestowitz |
Well, never mind that |
Dec 29 16:55 |
| schestowitz |
If Novell holds the userbase, then Microsoft has greater temptation to buy Novell |
Dec 29 16:55 |
| schestowitz |
It would then butter both sides of the toast |
Dec 29 16:55 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.zuco.org/science-vs-ad… |
Dec 29 16:56 |
| seller_liar |
we mus put ooxml and moonlgiht as sh*t |
Dec 29 16:57 |
| schestowitz |
How? |
Dec 29 16:58 |
| seller_liar |
*It’s a good thing to put ooxml and moonlight as piece of sh*t |
Dec 29 16:58 |
| seller_liar |
Gnu dejects moonlight and OOXML |
Dec 29 16:58 |
| schestowitz |
You’re competing with Novell PR and the press, which can be bought |
Dec 29 16:59 |
| schestowitz |
So you must put your bets on people’s trust |
Dec 29 16:59 |
| schestowitz |
And the trolls in BN try to erode trust in us. |
Dec 29 16:59 |
| seller_liar |
I don t know what we must do |
Dec 29 17:01 |
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Dec 29 17:09 |
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Dec 29 17:18 |
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Dec 29 17:18 |
| schestowitz |
“With retail, housing and even hi-tech grinding to a bit of a halt in recent months, most commentators would agree that 2009 is going to be a slow year.” < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/… > |
Dec 29 17:21 |
| schestowitz |
“Slow year…” Understatement of the year [pun] |
Dec 29 17:22 |
| schestowitz |
http://techdirt.com/articles/20081228/… (Australian Net Censorship Plan Delayed Temporarily) |
Dec 29 17:32 |
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Dec 29 17:36 |
| schestowitz |
Available Now: Lunar Linux 1.6.4 < http://news.softpedia.com/news/Avail… > Looks neat. |
Dec 29 17:43 |
| schestowitz |
:-S Downturn will slow Mozilla’s growth < http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi… > |
Dec 29 17:50 |
| neighborlee |
friend tried lunar once, he gave up. |
Dec 29 17:50 |
| neighborlee |
and he’s a longtime linux’er |
Dec 29 17:50 |
| schestowitz |
What’s it based on? |
Dec 29 17:50 |
| neighborlee |
dont recall what his issues were atm but I could ask |
Dec 29 17:50 |
| neighborlee |
why was commenter so angry about moonlight in debian,,its not like its part of the installer or has something changed recently ? |
Dec 29 17:53 |
| schestowitz |
I think it’s in the repos |
Dec 29 17:53 |
| schestowitz |
The infection is gradual |
Dec 29 17:53 |
| schestowitz |
Let the finger go, soon it’s the fist and the arm |
Dec 29 17:53 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t trust Mono and Go-OOXML |
Dec 29 17:53 |
| neighborlee |
heh |
Dec 29 17:53 |
| schestowitz |
brb |
Dec 29 17:54 |
| neighborlee |
I dont either,,its clear what they are trying to do |
Dec 29 17:54 |
| neighborlee |
you’d have to had lived under a rock the last few years or so , to not get that m$ does not have linux interest at ‘heart’ lol |
Dec 29 17:55 |
| neighborlee |
I wondered about that too..the ‘shane’ comment had to be fake |
Dec 29 17:57 |
| neighborlee |
it made no sense , coming from ‘ex’ editor |
Dec 29 17:57 |
| neighborlee |
ie: out of character |
Dec 29 17:57 |
| neighborlee |
as in completely |
Dec 29 17:57 |
| schestowitz |
watch the go-ooxml web site |
Dec 29 17:58 |
| schestowitz |
Read the first sentence. |
Dec 29 17:58 |
| schestowitz |
It comes without saying that.. well, Miguel helped resolving comments on OOXML |
Dec 29 17:58 |
| schestowitz |
He was helping Microsoft win standards war. |
Dec 29 17:58 |
| schestowitz |
Like he does with .NET |
Dec 29 17:58 |
| neighborlee |
pitifullly obvious yup |
Dec 29 17:58 |
| schestowitz |
Like he sort of ‘attacked’ the EU commissioner for ‘daring’ to criticise Microsoft. |
Dec 29 17:59 |
| neighborlee |
trouble is we find these things because we, as linux users worried about siuch things, take the time TO check these things out |
Dec 29 17:59 |
| schestowitz |
“Why the EU regulators are wrong” I think was his little piece of mind. |
Dec 29 17:59 |
| neighborlee |
most users may not have time, they just use their computers |
Dec 29 17:59 |
| schestowitz |
You can google it. |
Dec 29 17:59 |
| neighborlee |
yup |
Dec 29 17:59 |
| neighborlee |
so such things can easily slip under most users radar |
Dec 29 18:00 |
| schestowitz |
Re: shane. Check later comments. |
Dec 29 18:00 |
| neighborlee |
kinda like government..some pay attention, some dont |
Dec 29 18:00 |
| neighborlee |
ok |
Dec 29 18:00 |
| neighborlee |
I totally agree with twitter,,shane comments made zero sense |
Dec 29 18:00 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t know what he saw. |
Dec 29 18:00 |
| schestowitz |
But I paste a comment from a reader. |
Dec 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz |
It made a lot of sense to me. |
Dec 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz |
*pasted |
Dec 29 18:01 |
| neighborlee |
well I mean the indida part |
Dec 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz |
He doesn’t know what happened. |
Dec 29 18:01 |
| neighborlee |
you had notihng to do with that,,that was ALL novel |
Dec 29 18:01 |
| neighborlee |
I caught that immediately too |
Dec 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz |
No one was arrested |
Dec 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz |
They were escorted out. |
Dec 29 18:01 |
| neighborlee |
yes, but the point was not you guys,it was al novel |
Dec 29 18:01 |
| schestowitz |
For a /friendly/ non-violent protest where they used posters |
Dec 29 18:02 |
| neighborlee |
yup I know all about it |
Dec 29 18:02 |
| neighborlee |
I keep up |
Dec 29 18:02 |
| neighborlee |
mostly |
Dec 29 18:02 |
| neighborlee |
honeslty though..if shane was that misinformed about the india incident, I think im glad he’s a ‘ex’ editor. |
Dec 29 18:03 |
| neighborlee |
still doesn’t make sense |
Dec 29 18:04 |
| neighborlee |
ok I just read 12/129 post..and I think he really does need a vacation |
Dec 29 18:05 |
| neighborlee |
I’ve read MANY posts on this site of yours , and while I dont consider myselfr a poster boy for BN on ANY level ( I have a mind of my own, and thx I use it) I never felt BN engaged in attacks compared to the level of disgust I felt coming from types like Jo, alex, yadda…there is zero comparison imho. |
Dec 29 18:06 |
| schestowitz |
Hm……. |
Dec 29 18:11 |
| schestowitz |
Messages bounce of my server. |
Dec 29 18:11 |
| schestowitz |
From one server to another. very odd. |
Dec 29 18:11 |
| neighborlee |
bounce ? |
Dec 29 18:12 |
| schestowitz |
A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its |
Dec 29 18:12 |
| schestowitz |
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: |
Dec 29 18:12 |
| schestowitz |
r@schestowitz.com |
Dec 29 18:12 |
| schestowitz |
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:<r schestowitz com>: |
Dec 29 18:12 |
| schestowitz |
host lin-mx100.hosting.catalyst2.com [194.176.124.192]: |
Dec 29 18:12 |
| schestowitz |
550 mx for transport sender domain – pass3.dizinc.com – should be a fqdn. |
Dec 29 18:12 |
| schestowitz |
Like 30 of them since the morning. |
Dec 29 18:12 |
| schestowitz |
I’ve had some issues with the filters recently. |
Dec 29 18:12 |
| schestowitz |
People can’t mail me because it rejects them |
Dec 29 18:12 |
| neighborlee |
ah ok |
Dec 29 18:12 |
| neighborlee |
nasty |
Dec 29 18:13 |
| neighborlee |
want me to try? |
Dec 29 18:13 |
| schestowitz |
I tested it myself. |
Dec 29 18:14 |
| schestowitz |
I’ll tell the bost |
Dec 29 18:14 |
| schestowitz |
host |
Dec 29 18:14 |
| neighborlee |
sent |
Dec 29 18:15 |
| schestowitz |
“Recently I’ve had mail bouncing back to some people who mailed me. I think it’s a filtering thing. Here is a sample…” |
Dec 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
Even close friends had it bounce |
Dec 29 18:17 |
| neighborlee |
eek |
Dec 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
You know, I missed many meetings cause of this |
Dec 29 18:17 |
| schestowitz |
In fact, I blame the Windows zombies for all that SPAM chaos |
Dec 29 18:18 |
| schestowitz |
Windows killed E-mail.. |
Dec 29 18:18 |
| neighborlee |
sorry to hear that |
Dec 29 18:19 |
| schestowitz |
Oh wait. |
Dec 29 18:19 |
| schestowitz |
It seems like it’s on the other hand |
Dec 29 18:19 |
| schestowitz |
Subscribers have bounces as well. |
Dec 29 18:19 |
| neighborlee |
hm |
Dec 29 18:20 |
| neighborlee |
mine has not come back yet |
Dec 29 18:20 |
| schestowitz |
I think I know what’s happening. |
Dec 29 18:20 |
| schestowitz |
Some stupid spammers use scatterback |
Dec 29 18:21 |
| schestowitz |
They create false accounts in BN |
Dec 29 18:21 |
| schestowitz |
This leads to many E-mails being sent to non-extistnt addresses. |
Dec 29 18:21 |
| schestowitz |
So maybe the host clogged it up |
Dec 29 18:21 |
| schestowitz |
That’s the best explanation I can find. |
Dec 29 18:22 |
| schestowitz |
Dana uses bald Britney Spears to talk about patents: http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-s… |
Dec 29 18:26 |
| neighborlee |
oooook , this outta be rich |
Dec 29 18:26 |
| schestowitz |
I’ve just disabled registrations |
Dec 29 18:28 |
| schestowitz |
OK…. http://boycottnovell.com/wp-login.php |
Dec 29 18:28 |
| schestowitz |
But the host needs to ensure mail can go through |
Dec 29 18:29 |
| schestowitz |
Those spammers ruin so much. I’ve just hd to close comments on old items because of them |
Dec 29 18:29 |
| schestowitz |
I spend like an hour a week just reading about feet fetish, viagra, casino and other spam. |
Dec 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz |
So now it’s impossible for people to comment on old item.. because of spammers |
Dec 29 18:30 |
| schestowitz |
Now registrations are closed. |
Dec 29 18:30 |
| neighborlee |
hm |
Dec 29 18:30 |
| neighborlee |
I used to have no end of spam issues until I started using gmail |
Dec 29 18:30 |
| neighborlee |
now I never get any to speak of,unless I check out spam folder. |
Dec 29 18:31 |
| schestowitz |
You can still lose messages that way |
Dec 29 18:32 |
| schestowitz |
Unless you check that folder too |
Dec 29 18:32 |
| schestowitz |
In which case you separate spam but not eliminate it |
Dec 29 18:32 |
| schestowitz |
Ha!! |
Dec 29 18:32 |
| schestowitz |
I got an E-mail |
Dec 29 18:32 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe that sorted things out. |
Dec 29 18:32 |
| neighborlee |
good |
Dec 29 18:33 |
| neighborlee |
maybe my email saved you for today <ha-ha> |
Dec 29 18:33 |
| neighborlee |
yes I try to remember to check somewhat regular to avoid losing things :))heh |
Dec 29 18:33 |
| schestowitz |
I spent extra time this morning checking comments cause I haven’t notification |
Dec 29 18:34 |
| schestowitz |
I typically have nice animated popups that alert me when comments drop in, so I can reply fast |
Dec 29 18:34 |
| schestowitz |
Let me see if the host fixed it. |
Dec 29 18:34 |
| schestowitz |
What did you mail? |
Dec 29 18:35 |
| schestowitz |
Oh I see now |
Dec 29 18:35 |
| schestowitz |
Wrong address. |
Dec 29 18:35 |
| schestowitz |
I redirect to to one of my 22 E-mail accounts on schestowitz.com |
Dec 29 18:35 |
| neighborlee |
lol |
Dec 29 18:35 |
| neighborlee |
I just used what you posted in here a moment agoi |
Dec 29 18:35 |
| neighborlee |
-i |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| neighborlee |
install fast! lol |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
*LOL* |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
That was confuisng… I got too E-mails from “Lees” |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
One was from Peter Lee. |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| neighborlee |
lol |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
“Greetings! |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
|
Dec 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL FOR YOU, FROM HONG KONG!!!! |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
|
Dec 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
It is understandable that you might be a little bit apprehensive because you do |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
not know me, Please forgive this unusual manner to contact you, but this |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
particular letter/email is of exceptional” |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| neighborlee |
rofl |
Dec 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz |
06:00 PM |
Dec 29 18:37 |
| schestowitz |
Coincidence |
Dec 29 18:37 |
| neighborlee |
do they really think anyone is fooled by this garbage |
Dec 29 18:37 |
| schestowitz |
So I was like, “what that other lee thing”? |
Dec 29 18:37 |
| schestowitz |
*what’s |
Dec 29 18:37 |
| neighborlee |
ha |
Dec 29 18:37 |
| neighborlee |
had a good xmas I hope |
Dec 29 18:38 |
| neighborlee |
we certainly did |
Dec 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz |
I did, yeah.. |
Dec 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz |
I still have some days to rest |
Dec 29 18:38 |
| schestowitz |
Next year will be a killer |
Dec 29 18:39 |
| schestowitz |
IMH(assessment) |
Dec 29 18:39 |
| schestowitz |
http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archi… |
Dec 29 18:39 |
| neighborlee |
itw as to be somewhat sad as my father had passed away on 9/4 so I wasn’t looking fwd to it, but it was a family feeling to it as we went to friends new house,,and it was grand day |
Dec 29 18:39 |
| schestowitz |
I’m so sorry to hear it. |
Dec 29 18:39 |
| neighborlee |
could very well be yes |
Dec 29 18:39 |
| neighborlee |
np at all |
Dec 29 18:39 |
| schestowitz |
You told me before. |
Dec 29 18:39 |
| neighborlee |
he was not happy in rest home, on any level |
Dec 29 18:39 |
| neighborlee |
np |
Dec 29 18:39 |
| schestowitz |
This reminded me to ensure I disclose stuff, in case of worst circumstances. |
Dec 29 18:40 |
| schestowitz |
http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2008/… |
Dec 29 18:40 |
| neighborlee |
now he is with our mother, who went on in 1987 brain cancer..he’s now totaly happy, where before only marginally |
Dec 29 18:40 |
| neighborlee |
ok kewl |
Dec 29 18:40 |
| schestowitz |
Good to hear that. |
Dec 29 18:40 |
| neighborlee |
it truly is yup |
Dec 29 18:41 |
| schestowitz |
Forcing people to be down here on Earth is not always fair to them. My grandma knows this. |
Dec 29 18:41 |
| neighborlee |
yes quite. |
Dec 29 18:41 |
| schestowitz |
But that’s a private story, I think. |
Dec 29 18:41 |
| neighborlee |
my grandma only lasted one month in nursing home |
Dec 29 18:41 |
| neighborlee |
she told me before she had no desire to goto one, and she didnt last long |
Dec 29 18:42 |
| schestowitz |
Actually, I leave too much room for speculation here, so I’d rather say it now, |
Dec 29 18:42 |
| neighborlee |
gotcha |
Dec 29 18:42 |
| schestowitz |
She was almost 90 and she overdosed her pills because she didn’t like moving into a parents’ home |
Dec 29 18:42 |
| schestowitz |
Which is fair enough, it was her choice |
Dec 29 18:42 |
| schestowitz |
Trying to save her is not what she wanted, but the doctors were close. |
Dec 29 18:43 |
| neighborlee |
well you know,,only god can judgte |
Dec 29 18:43 |
| neighborlee |
judge |
Dec 29 18:43 |
| schestowitz |
Then there’s my dog, Jenny. |
Dec 29 18:43 |
| schestowitz |
She was like 17. |
Dec 29 18:43 |
| schestowitz |
Almost blind. |
Dec 29 18:43 |
| neighborlee |
and somehow I doubt the god I know, judges terribly harshly ..we all have to come to grips with morality on various levels I guess but god I think is above it all |
Dec 29 18:43 |
| neighborlee |
err you know what I mean |
Dec 29 18:43 |
| schestowitz |
http://schestowitz.com/Weblog… http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/arch… |
Dec 29 18:44 |
| neighborlee |
17 is good long life for dog yup |
Dec 29 18:46 |
| neighborlee |
losing them is rough..I was raised around dogs and cats so I get very close to them |
Dec 29 18:46 |
| neighborlee |
ist like losing a child when they go…unconditional love is a stinker when its gone o_0 |
Dec 29 18:47 |
| neighborlee |
getting a new poochie from shelter though has been rewarding beyond measure.. |
Dec 29 18:48 |
| neighborlee |
checking |
Dec 29 18:48 |
| neighborlee |
ah yes they make great companions |
Dec 29 18:50 |
| neighborlee |
friends we spent xmas with have 2 , very similar |
Dec 29 18:50 |
| neighborlee |
very w arm dogs |
Dec 29 18:50 |
| neighborlee |
once I start paying attention to them its all over for anyone else :)hehe |
Dec 29 18:51 |
| neighborlee |
including humans ,haha |
Dec 29 18:51 |
| neighborlee |
schestowitz, ohbtw..why does your site cause firefox scrollbar to react so slowly..some sites do it and I have always wondered why |
Dec 29 18:52 |
| schestowitz |
My sister took it harder anyway |
Dec 29 18:52 |
| neighborlee |
common |
Dec 29 18:52 |
| schestowitz |
Maybe translucence? |
Dec 29 18:52 |
| schestowitz |
*cy? |
Dec 29 18:52 |
| neighborlee |
men are not told its ok to have emotions afterall |
Dec 29 18:52 |
| neighborlee |
no idea |
Dec 29 18:53 |
| schestowitz |
Attachment depends on upbringing. |
Dec 29 18:53 |
| schestowitz |
Some men are drained out of human emotion so that they join the army and become tools. |
Dec 29 18:53 |
| schestowitz |
The aspiration is to have people so soulless that they are just detached from emotions and attacked to a machine (not just in the physical sense) |
Dec 29 18:54 |
| schestowitz |
But that often is the nature of predatory capitalism where success can only be measured in terms of physical gain. |
Dec 29 18:54 |
| neighborlee |
yes army can do that |
Dec 29 18:54 |
| schestowitz |
And likewise, a person success is judged from the outside in terms of countable objects or numbers that are analogous to them. |
Dec 29 18:55 |
| schestowitz |
neighborlee: can? it does. |
Dec 29 18:55 |
| neighborlee |
I never went in,my f ather was medic in navy though |
Dec 29 18:55 |
| neighborlee |
wellI mean |
Dec 29 18:55 |
| schestowitz |
What do you think boot camp is about |
Dec 29 18:55 |
| neighborlee |
I think some people take it differently than others |
Dec 29 18:55 |
| neighborlee |
like why one person cant take a given type of stress, while someone else is overall fine |
Dec 29 18:55 |
| schestowitz |
It’s about insulting and demeaning to the point where a person is thankful just to have a bed, a meal and 5 hours of sleep |
Dec 29 18:55 |
| schestowitz |
neighborlee: I think it’s mostly education-driven |
Dec 29 18:56 |
| neighborlee |
yup I know of this |
Dec 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
You can grow people to be mosters if you try |
Dec 29 18:56 |
| neighborlee |
thast the whole idea |
Dec 29 18:56 |
| neighborlee |
thats |
Dec 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
You can make them paranoid and afraid of stangers by introducing c”Creatures” and “witches” |
Dec 29 18:56 |
| neighborlee |
that way its easier to killl.. |
Dec 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
Whether it’s productive and intructive is a sepate issue |
Dec 29 18:56 |
| neighborlee |
travesty |
Dec 29 18:56 |
| schestowitz |
Poeple did experiements to study the impact of fear on character of children. |
Dec 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz |
FPSes are about trainin people to kill |
Dec 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz |
Thing is… Jack Thompson gave a bad name to people who point this out |
Dec 29 18:57 |
| neighborlee |
sigh |
Dec 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz |
By accusing Gates of things that Microsoft has not done… violent games that just run but don’t make |
Dec 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz |
The military actually funds some of these games and people demand them because of peer pressure |
Dec 29 18:58 |
| neighborlee |
too many violent games out there now |
Dec 29 18:58 |
| schestowitz |
You can trivially manufacture a desire for such games by repeatedly showing them in a “cool” context on TV |
Dec 29 18:58 |
| schestowitz |
Violent is “Cool” |
Dec 29 18:58 |
| neighborlee |
I can tell you 100% if such games had been out there in my childhood and I was caught playing them, BYE BYE computer for a VERY long time. |
Dec 29 18:58 |
| schestowitz |
Ask any kid who watches Rambo films and such |
Dec 29 18:58 |
| neighborlee |
yup thats the idea |
Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz |
War is glorified. |
Dec 29 18:59 |
| neighborlee |
of course |
Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz |
Fighting the “bad guys” for Uncle Sam is glamorised |
Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz |
And America has ‘heroes’ (like the new song) who kill the ‘bad guys’ in Iraw |
Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz |
*Iraq |
Dec 29 18:59 |
| neighborlee |
nasty |
Dec 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz |
Yeah… 1.3 million ‘bad’ guys… and gals… and kids… and babies. |
Dec 29 18:59 |
| neighborlee |
war is easier than actuallly having to made new fr iends..to bush and his cronies anyway |
Dec 29 19:00 |
| neighborlee |
thakfullly thats all over |
Dec 29 19:00 |
| neighborlee |
we hope |
Dec 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz |
Well, they used to have friends. |
Dec 29 19:02 |
| neighborlee |
but it wont end there..the mentality of love thy neighbor has to extend everywhere for things to truly change globally..thats going to take alot of work but I think obama has alot of the right ‘stuff’ or at least desire to make them reality |
Dec 29 19:02 |
| neighborlee |
yup |
Dec 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz |
The United States was a big friend of Mr. Hussein. |
Dec 29 19:02 |
| neighborlee |
yes |
Dec 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz |
But he was no longer willing to be their puppet |
Dec 29 19:02 |
| neighborlee |
what a mess |
Dec 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz |
Apart from the atrocities |
Dec 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz |
[which by the way were assisted by Thatcher and ... was it Ronald?] |
Dec 29 19:02 |
| neighborlee |
not sure, I wasn’t very political back then..not at all |
Dec 29 19:03 |
| neighborlee |
having enough trouble living life as it was, to be so. |
Dec 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz |
I’m not sure about Obama anymore |
Dec 29 19:03 |
| neighborlee |
well |
Dec 29 19:03 |
| neighborlee |
im not in love with some of his choices ,, |
Dec 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz |
Biden is pro-war and Rahm Emanuel was appointed too. He might be worse. |
Dec 29 19:03 |
| neighborlee |
so to that ill just say, w’ell see o_0 |
Dec 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz |
So you could choose between brands |
Dec 29 19:03 |
| neighborlee |
I think he is so worried about taking middle ground that he mnight be slightly blinded ..but we’ll see |
Dec 29 19:04 |
| schestowitz |
The Obama (“Change”) brand or “the other thing” (more of the same). But the people who made the core of it have similar policies. |
Dec 29 19:04 |
| schestowitz |
They are, after all, funded by the same companies.;-) |
Dec 29 19:04 |
| neighborlee |
buck stops with obama though |
Dec 29 19:04 |
| neighborlee |
but we’ll see..he is in charge of his own desitny.. |
Dec 29 19:05 |
| neighborlee |
destiny o_0 |
Dec 29 19:05 |
| schestowitz |
“Come everyone, it’s been 4 years, come and vote.. behold the ‘choice’… feel the democracy… never mind if you live in a one-party state… of corporcracy” |
Dec 29 19:05 |
| schestowitz |
Sheesh |
Dec 29 19:05 |
| schestowitz |
Destiny, Unity, Change |
Dec 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz |
Nice slogan he got there. |
Dec 29 19:06 |
| neighborlee |
|
Dec 29 19:06 |
| schestowitz |
http://www.hmnl.nl/HMNL/web.nsf/v… I really commend these attempts to push IBM to do the Right Thing. I’ve already tried without much success. |
Dec 29 19:11 |
| schestowitz |
There’s some response to that word about PJ.. “Wow — that’s news to me. Her site always impressed me and I felt like she got it right in the way she did things. I hope that, if she quits, then she can find someone else to pick up the mantel.” I hope she stays |
Dec 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz |
She’s not replying to mails |
Dec 29 19:13 |
| neighborlee |
Idont worry allot about some things..things I cant control , but things I can I try to make a difference of course…abs. power corrupts yadda..those who think power makes them formiddable forget the eye of needle teaching,,some have power and use it for good though . |
Dec 29 19:13 |
| schestowitz |
Power for change works |
Dec 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz |
new example: http://techdirt.com/articles/2008122… (Australian Net Censorship Plan Delayed Temporarily) |
Dec 29 19:14 |
| schestowitz |
Old examples: feminisms, people against slavery, etc. |
Dec 29 19:14 |
| neighborlee |
yes |
Dec 29 19:14 |
| neighborlee |
such things we’ve always had with us, just given a new name |
Dec 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz |
Novell chnages because of BN also |
Dec 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz |
There are confirmed examples |
Dec 29 19:15 |
| schestowitz |
http://go.theregister.com/feed/www…. |
Dec 29 19:19 |
| schestowitz |
UK.gov to push Obama for tougher rules online “The culture secretary Andy Burnham has suggested the UK should lead an international effort to introduce cinema-style age ratings on websites to prevent children accessing “unacceptable” material online.” |
Dec 29 19:23 |
| trmanco |
anyone know the ascii code for (R) |
Dec 29 19:26 |
| trmanco |
? |
Dec 29 19:26 |
| schestowitz |
I just copy and paste it. |
Dec 29 19:27 |
| schestowitz |
“A trademark or trade mark, identified by the symbols ™ and ®” |
Dec 29 19:28 |
| trmanco |
I just wanted the R with the circle around it to make fun of something  |
Dec 29 19:28 |
| trmanco |
ha thanks |
Dec 29 19:28 |
| schestowitz |
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark |
Dec 29 19:28 |
| neighborlee |
schestowitz, about time pron was put to a early rest..I wasn’t raised that way, and im saddened to see it flourish on any level |
Dec 29 19:31 |
| neighborlee |
to me it taints what love, and love making are meant to be. |
Dec 29 19:32 |
| neighborlee |
but thats just me, some might call me old fashioned |
Dec 29 19:32 |
| neighborlee |
lol |
Dec 29 19:32 |
| schestowitz |
That’s The Register |
Dec 29 19:34 |
| schestowitz |
I was reading tech news and it showed u |
Dec 29 19:34 |
| schestowitz |
So I thought I’d share it in spirit of the err.. winter |
Dec 29 19:34 |
| neighborlee |
|
Dec 29 19:43 |
| schestowitz |
These winters are probable fake anyway |
Dec 29 19:45 |
| trmanco |
lol @ schestowitz’s spamchaff page |
Dec 29 19:46 |
| trmanco |
http://schestowitz.com/spamchaff |
Dec 29 19:46 |
| trmanco |
interesting |
Dec 29 19:46 |
| MinceR |
|
Dec 29 19:47 |
| trmanco |
OT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… |
Dec 29 19:59 |
| schestowitz |
trmanco: I borrows the idea |
Dec 29 20:00 |
| schestowitz |
With attribution |
Dec 29 20:00 |
| schestowitz |
[from my boss at the time (around 2003) |
Dec 29 20:00 |
| trmanco |
LOL |
Dec 29 20:00 |
| trmanco |
its funny |
Dec 29 20:00 |
| schestowitz |
He too borrowed it from somewhere |
Dec 29 20:00 |
| schestowitz |
He was getting about 50 SPAM per day at the time |
Dec 29 20:00 |
| schestowitz |
The following year, Gates said SPAM would vanish |
Dec 29 20:00 |
| schestowitz |
In Davos he said that, IIRC |
Dec 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz |
Found it “”Spam will be a thing of the past in two years’ time.” –Bill Gates, 2004 |
Dec 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz |
Botmaster later stepped down, but SPAM did not end. |
Dec 29 20:01 |
| schestowitz |
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/06/… |
Dec 29 20:02 |
| trmanco |
it is all a lie |
Dec 29 20:03 |
| schestowitz |
http://tecnicos.escenf.unam.edu.ar/codigo-a… |
Dec 29 20:04 |
| schestowitz |
That cartoon I madq very quickly has spread quite far. |
Dec 29 20:04 |
| trmanco |
LOOL |
Dec 29 20:05 |
| trmanco |
I’ll brb |
Dec 29 20:05 |
| schestowitz |
Just stumbled upon http://blip.tv/file/1618916 |
Dec 29 20:05 |
| *trmanco has quit () |
Dec 29 20:06 |
| *trmanco (i=trmanco@Cliente.da.tuxSP.pt) has joined #boycottnovell |
Dec 29 20:06 |
| *trmanco has quit (Client Quit) |
Dec 29 20:09 |
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Dec 29 20:10 |
| trmanco |
back |
Dec 29 20:11 |
| schestowitz |
Perceived Value Is Reality http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2008/1… |
Dec 29 20:28 |
| schestowitz |
Think about Apple and MS products. “But what kind of incentive is most effective and brings the most return for the retailer? A discount? A gift? Free shipping?” |
Dec 29 20:29 |
| schestowitz |
‘Discounted’ Windows (does it cost anything to make a copy?) |
Dec 29 20:29 |
| schestowitz |
$2000 Macs…\ |
Dec 29 20:30 |
| schestowitz |
OOo responds to Novell: http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/the_… |
Dec 29 20:35 |
| schestowitz |
I think it’s a response, but it’s subtle |
Dec 29 20:35 |
| *Tallken (n=f2f93bf5@93.102.71.30.rev.optimus.pt) has joined #boycottnovell |
Dec 29 20:43 |
| neighborlee |
checking |
Dec 29 20:45 |
| Tallken |
checked |
Dec 29 20:46 |
| Tallken |
schestowitz, http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/29/bri… — the title says it all ^^ |
Dec 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz |
Thanks, old news |
Dec 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz |
From last week But thanks! |
Dec 29 20:47 |
| schestowitz |
I’m doing rebuttal to the Go-OOXML-imposed FUD Novell unleashed |
Dec 29 20:48 |
| Tallken |
ok :p |
Dec 29 20:48 |
| trmanco |
I only saw that today too |
Dec 29 20:49 |
| neighborlee |
yeah I wont use notepad or wordpay anymore..oo all the way baby |
Dec 29 20:49 |
| schestowitz |
Tallken: let me see… |
Dec 29 20:50 |
| schestowitz |
You might enjoy what I wrote about it: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12… |
Dec 29 20:50 |
| schestowitz |
It’s mostly a news accumulation from that day |
Dec 29 20:50 |
| trmanco |
http://fedorasolved.org/ |
Dec 29 20:54 |
| neighborlee |
I was using fedora but I kinda gave up,,I could not get skype to work audio wize no matter what I tried and never got forum help..for me it was under ‘must work’ item. |
Dec 29 20:56 |
| Tallken |
schestowitz, thanks |
Dec 29 20:56 |
| neighborlee |
trmanco, sad but true |
Dec 29 20:56 |
| trmanco |
neighborlee, good thing that you have choice |
Dec 29 20:56 |
| neighborlee |
trmanco, I dont see it that way |
Dec 29 20:57 |
| trmanco |
what dist is working for you at the moment? |
Dec 29 20:57 |
| neighborlee |
trmanco, but I get the point. |
Dec 29 20:57 |
| neighborlee |
mandriva |
Dec 29 20:57 |
| trmanco |
never tried it |
Dec 29 20:57 |
| neighborlee |
2009 kde lived-installed |
Dec 29 20:57 |
| trmanco |
cool |
Dec 29 20:57 |
| neighborlee |
well..at least mandriva has no mono,,at least not in default recommended,,same as fedora |
Dec 29 20:57 |
| trmanco |
Fedora 9 doesn’t work for me very well either (school) |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| Tallken |
i deleted saturday my second gentoo partial install by accident |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| neighborlee |
ouch |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| neighborlee |
sorry to hear that |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| trmanco |
oops |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| Tallken |
i want a rolling distro |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| neighborlee |
arch is I think |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| trmanco |
what do you mean by rolling? |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| neighborlee |
so is mint I think |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| Tallken |
ya arch is gathering much momentum |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| neighborlee |
yeah |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| Tallken |
mint as well? |
Dec 29 20:58 |
| neighborlee |
seems so |
Dec 29 20:59 |
| Tallken |
but I’ve asoft spot for Gentoo |
Dec 29 20:59 |
| Tallken |
trmanco, always updated |
Dec 29 20:59 |
| trmanco |
ok thanks |
Dec 29 20:59 |
| Tallken |
trmanco, instead of: relase, stable for 6 months, release, stable for 6 months and so on |
Dec 29 20:59 |
| neighborlee |
I like gentoo for its ability to customize via USE, but I never could see past hastle of compiling everything I wanted to use.. |
Dec 29 20:59 |
| Tallken |
or for two here if you use to a LTS and don’t wish to upgrade |
Dec 29 20:59 |
| Tallken |
USE=”-mono” ^^ |
Dec 29 20:59 |
| neighborlee |
ROFL |
Dec 29 21:00 |
| neighborlee |
indeed ;))) |
Dec 29 21:00 |
| Tallken |
well there are three issues with Gentoo |
Dec 29 21:00 |
| trmanco |
yeah I get it |
Dec 29 21:00 |
| Tallken |
the community is in bad shape, though now it’s on the track to reorganize |
Dec 29 21:00 |
| trmanco |
I’ve tried Arch on a VM |
Dec 29 21:00 |
| trmanco |
I like its package manager |
Dec 29 21:00 |
| trmanco |
pacman  |
Dec 29 21:00 |
| neighborlee |
Tallken, glad to hear that |
Dec 29 21:00 |
| neighborlee |
trmanco, yup |
Dec 29 21:00 |
| Tallken |
emerge is kinda wacko — not a problem for me since I’m used to it but a newbie will get nuts with circular dependencies |
Dec 29 21:00 |
| trmanco |
I used to do a lot of pacman -Syu |
Dec 29 21:01 |
| neighborlee |
Tallken, ouch |
Dec 29 21:01 |
| trmanco |
I haven’t tried gentoo, yet |
Dec 29 21:01 |
| neighborlee |
make sure you have at least 6 hours free |
Dec 29 21:01 |
| Tallken |
though I think it’s actually a *fix* which is causing it, initially it would install though some depedencies weren’t met, but on the building process things would go right :p |
Dec 29 21:01 |
| neighborlee |
or so depending how fast your system is ;)))) |
Dec 29 21:01 |
| trmanco |
neighborlee, LOL |
Dec 29 21:02 |
| Tallken |
neighborlee, more. I was installing Gentoo in /gentoo |
Dec 29 21:02 |
| neighborlee |
|
Dec 29 21:02 |
| Tallken |
and was planning to switch the files’ place once I had it all compiled |
Dec 29 21:02 |
| Tallken |
using a LiveCD |
Dec 29 21:02 |
| Tallken |
and there is one issue missing |
Dec 29 21:02 |
| Tallken |
but can’t remember which one was :p |
Dec 29 21:02 |
| neighborlee |
is gentoo livecd finally doable or is stilll in category of only if your a linux enthusiast |
Dec 29 21:03 |
| schestowitz |
Tallken: check out the arch IRC channel. it’s /loaded/ |
Dec 29 21:05 |
| schestowitz |
3 times as many people as #mandriva |
Dec 29 21:05 |
| Tallken |
neighborlee, I didn’t even used it |
Dec 29 21:05 |
| Tallken |
used old install method |
Dec 29 21:05 |
| Tallken |
a bunch of tar.gz |
Dec 29 21:05 |
| Tallken |
and you’re on the right track :p |
Dec 29 21:05 |
| neighborlee |
yup most do |
Dec 29 21:06 |
| neighborlee |
well arch is for a different community entirely |
Dec 29 21:07 |
| neighborlee |
one are major geeks and another are regular users who moonlight as geeks |
Dec 29 21:07 |
| neighborlee |
imho of course |
Dec 29 21:07 |
| neighborlee |
oops damn I said moonlight |
Dec 29 21:07 |
| Tallken |
lol |
Dec 29 21:07 |
| neighborlee |
|
Dec 29 21:07 |
| Tallken |
Arch is new Gentoo… Gentoo had a wonderful community back in old days |
Dec 29 21:08 |
| Tallken |
*Arch is the new… |
Dec 29 21:08 |
| neighborlee |
yea but can arch compile with use flags,,or some equiv? |
Dec 29 21:08 |
| neighborlee |
that is a big deal |
Dec 29 21:08 |
| neighborlee |
I mean for those who are into it per se |
Dec 29 21:08 |
| MinceR |
gentoo has docs though :> |
Dec 29 21:10 |
| Tallken |
neighborlee, you can use local use flags, since you can use ABS to build your own custom package |
Dec 29 21:11 |
| Tallken |
as for global ones, for example, if one wishes to disable mono for the whole system, I’m unaware |
Dec 29 21:12 |
| neighborlee |
MinceR, heh |
Dec 29 21:18 |
| neighborlee |
yeah docs rock |
Dec 29 21:18 |
| neighborlee |
few/bad docs can ruin a project.. |
Dec 29 21:19 |
| neighborlee |
game engine I user, just got a user from another engine where bad docs etc. brought them over..stuff happens ;( |
Dec 29 21:19 |
| neighborlee |
…………use |
Dec 29 21:19 |
| schestowitz |
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/jimmi-hugh-w… |
Dec 29 21:22 |
| schestowitz |
I don’t get it. They bend backwards to defend mischief. |
Dec 29 21:22 |
| schestowitz |
Some days ago I saw a denialist changing history on Microsoft’s “letters from dead people”. Amazing!! |
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| schestowitz |
Rebuttal: http://boycottnovell.com/2008/12/29/sun-r… |
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| schestowitz |
Netsplit |
Dec 29 21:38 |
| Tallken |
the investigators can create a file with the desired MD5sum |
Dec 29 21:38 |
| Tallken |
but it’s a data filled with garbage |
Dec 29 21:38 |
| trmanco |
but still, you haven’t answered my question |
Dec 29 21:38 |
| schestowitz |
Just in case: |
Dec 29 21:39 |
| schestowitz |
<trmanco>which is stronger and more secure? SHA1 or MD5? |
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| schestowitz |
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| schestowitz |
Dec 29 21:25:39 <trmanco>headshot |
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| schestowitz |
Dec 29 21:26:14 <Tallken>lol |
Dec 29 21:39 |
| schestowitz |
Dec 29 21:26:33 <Tallken>trmanco, MD5 has seen at least one attack developed against it |
Dec 29 21:39 |
| schestowitz |
Dec 29 21:26:45 <Tallken>it’s useless, for now, but the research has started |
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| schestowitz |
Dec 29 21:27:08 <Tallken>the investigators can create a file with the desired MD5sum |
Dec 29 21:39 |
| schestowitz |
Dec 29 21:27:19 <Tallken>but it’s a data filled with garbage |
Dec 29 21:39 |
| schestowitz |
Dec 29 21:27:29 <schestowitz>Netsplit |
Dec 29 21:39 |
| schestowitz |
Dec 29 21:27:47 <trmanco>but still, you haven’t answered my question |
Dec 29 21:39 |
| Tallken |
trmanco, so, SHA1 :p |
Dec 29 21:39 |
| PetoKraus |
moin?! |
Dec 29 21:40 |
| trmanco |
lol |
Dec 29 21:40 |
| MinceR |
iirc even SHA-1 is vulnerable already |
Dec 29 21:40 |
| *MinceR prefers SHA-512 |
Dec 29 21:40 |
| trmanco |
logger_bot didn’t get split |
Dec 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz |
trmanco: I don’t know |
Dec 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz |
I think two machines fell |
Dec 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz |
lindbohm.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
Dec 29 21:40 |
| -tomaw-[Global Notice] Hi all. Our EU to US connectively dropped for a moment there generating a rather messy split. From what we can tell it seems to be resolved so sorry for the noise and thanks for using freenode! |
Dec 29 21:40 |
| schestowitz |
and brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) |
Dec 29 21:40 |
| trmanco |
Tallken, ok |
Dec 29 21:41 |
| schestowitz |
So the split was different in different places |
Dec 29 21:41 |
| trmanco |
MinceR, LOL SHA-512 |
Dec 29 21:41 |
| MinceR |
? |
Dec 29 21:41 |
| trmanco |
how about RSA |
Dec 29 21:41 |
| MinceR |
RSA isn’t a hash algorithm |
Dec 29 21:41 |
| trmanco |
I’m catching up |
Dec 29 21:42 |
| trmanco |
crap, better do some research |
Dec 29 21:42 |
| MinceR |
i’m not sure RSA would be useful in building a hash algorithm |
Dec 29 21:42 |
| MinceR |
you can build one from a symmetric cipher though |
Dec 29 21:42 |
| MinceR |
(DES is used in that way by the old Unix password hashing method) |
Dec 29 21:42 |
| trmanco |
hmm |
Dec 29 21:44 |
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Dec 29 21:44 |
| trmanco |
MinceR, SHA-512 = SHA-2? right? |
Dec 29 21:45 |
| MinceR |
it seems SHA-512 is part of the SHA-2 family |
Dec 29 21:47 |
| trmanco |
yes its a variant |
Dec 29 21:47 |
| schestowitz |
“Due to the deteriorating economic conditions caused by the global financial crisis all around us, the decision was made in early October to cancel the 2008 general meeting, scheduled to take place a few weeks later, and to replace it with some alternative virtual meeting that would require no travel.” http://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2008/1… |
Dec 29 21:59 |
| schestowitz |
Turns out there’s a Wiki page on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glo… |
Dec 29 21:59 |
| schestowitz |
“Mom Kelli Roman got an unexpected Christmas Eve surprise: Facebook yanked her privileges to use the social networking site not long after she received an e-mail warning for “misusing certain features on the site.” Roman has been at the center of a growing controversy on Facebook that’s been brewing since last summer (and that we discussed last fall) — that some photos of breastfeeding are obscene.” http://voices.washingtonpost.co |
Dec 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz |
m/parenting/2008/12/facebook_vs_breastf eeding_phot.html?hpid=news-col-blog |
Dec 29 22:01 |
| schestowitz |
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/parenting/… |
Dec 29 22:02 |
| Tallken |
OLD :p |
Dec 29 22:02 |
| schestowitz |
Really? Oh well.. |
Dec 29 22:02 |
| schestowitz |
Next thing you know they’ll label it pedophilia |
Dec 29 22:02 |
| schestowitz |
Because, you know, there is a baby there.. |
Dec 29 22:02 |
| schestowitz |
Block the WHOLE domain (Facebook), just like Wikipedia (IWF) |
Dec 29 22:03 |
| trmanco |
Microsoft specs out ‘pay as you go’ PC scheme: http://www.computerworld.com/action/ar… |
Dec 29 22:03 |
| schestowitz |
Miserable signs |
Dec 29 22:03 |
| schestowitz |
They can’t profit from Windows |
Dec 29 22:03 |
| schestowitz |
They want to give it away… on a lease… like renting a bad, insecure car |
Dec 29 22:04 |
| trmanco |
microfoot won’t fix the bugs because of its stupid pyramid scheme |
Dec 29 22:04 |
| schestowitz |
“On Parenting: Are Breastfeeding Pics ‘Obscene’? Only to conservative white men who feel it necessary to control women.” |
Dec 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz |
“The photo you posted is not “obscene” by Facebook’s own standards. It would be hard to post a picture of a child eating that also showed a nipple – by definition, unless the mom was showing off the other breast – which is unnecessary. Breastfeeding itself it never obscene.” |
Dec 29 22:05 |
| schestowitz |
trmanco: Yahoo pyramid?? WOTTT? Microsoft bought them already? |
Dec 29 22:05 |
| trmanco |
no |
Dec 29 22:06 |
| trmanco |
not that |
Dec 29 22:06 |
| trmanco |
for example, if they fix there registry where will all the registry fixing software go? and the companies behind them |
Dec 29 22:06 |
| trmanco |
|
Dec 29 22:06 |
| schestowitz |
Fox About To Get Paid For A Movie It Had Absolutely Nothing To Do With < http://techdirt.com/articles/2008122… > |
Dec 29 22:09 |
| schestowitz |
http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=1405 |
Dec 29 22:15 |
| schestowitz |
Pinkux |
Dec 29 22:15 |
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| schestowitz |
She links to an article about wealth in Linux, but it just about predates the massive FrausStreet crash: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/c… |
Dec 29 22:22 |
| schestowitz |
http://blog.andrewmin.com/2008/12/28… |
Dec 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz |
No mentioning of Wine, I think |
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| trmanco |
schestowitz, nop |
Dec 29 22:42 |
| trmanco |
but in overall, it is a good post |
Dec 29 22:43 |
| trmanco |
IMO |
Dec 29 22:43 |
| neighborlee |
wine is ‘ok’ but hardly a fix all |
Dec 29 22:44 |
| neighborlee |
though new wine is impressive .last time I used it wine took forever to load but man its real quick now..that or I just had a badly supported game |
Dec 29 22:44 |
| trmanco |
Wine is pretty fast on some softies |
Dec 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz |
People who loves gaming often just buy consoles |
Dec 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz |
The wii ain’t expensive |
Dec 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz |
And if people are used to paying for Windows games anyway, why not Wii games? |
Dec 29 22:46 |
| neighborlee |
thats quite true now.. |
Dec 29 22:46 |
| neighborlee |
wiifit is also going to be a huge hit.. |
Dec 29 22:46 |
| neighborlee |
pc sales I think will suffer as a result |
Dec 29 22:46 |
| neighborlee |
though the MOD crowd will always be loyal. |
Dec 29 22:46 |
| neighborlee |
now there is wiispeak |
Dec 29 22:47 |
| neighborlee |
guitar hero is real popular |
Dec 29 22:47 |
| MinceR |
i think we need wine for the transition period |
Dec 29 22:49 |
| schestowitz |
Mention Wii and see neighborlee going ballistic. |
Dec 29 22:50 |
| MinceR |
|
Dec 29 22:50 |
| MinceR |
wii need an emulator! |
Dec 29 22:50 |
| neighborlee |
LOL |
Dec 29 22:50 |
| trmanco |
lol |
Dec 29 22:50 |
| neighborlee |
cant help it |
Dec 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz |
It’s a good think the substring “wii” is uncommon |
Dec 29 22:51 |
| trmanco |
WNAE |
Dec 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz |
*thing |
Dec 29 22:51 |
| neighborlee |
wiitennis drew me in, grabbed me by my b*** and neer let go |
Dec 29 22:51 |
| schestowitz |
Like aaaaardvark. |
Dec 29 22:51 |
| neighborlee |
and now that I have super mairo galaxy its aLL over :)lol |
Dec 29 22:51 |
| neighborlee |
invite to WoW, bbl |
Dec 29 22:52 |
| neighborlee |
o_0 |
Dec 29 22:52 |
| MinceR |
that sponsoring idea is interesting, it might work |
Dec 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz |
Oh LORDAY! Thank goodness for the Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!rtner Group… http://weblog.infoworld.com/openresourc… Time to stop referencing people who sell opinions for money |
Dec 29 23:04 |
| schestowitz |
These people don’t /give/ opinions; they negotiate and sell them; even Joe Wilccox (former analyst) admitted this |
Dec 29 23:06 |
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