03.31.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: March 30th, 2009 – Part 1
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| oiaohm | motterola would do better off as a netbook maker. | Mar 30 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | High end Nokia phone will run Linux | Mar 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | For the most part | Mar 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | I think Reuters said so | Mar 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | Motorola- > Android | Mar 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | They sacked many | Mar 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | WM neglected as of late | Mar 30 00:00 |
| schestowitz | So it’s Google’s | Mar 30 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Motorola is under a lot of presure. | Mar 30 00:01 |
| oiaohm | So them entering the netbook market with a arm based netbook has to be on the cards. | Mar 30 00:01 |
| Balrog_ | Android is better than Motorola currently | Mar 30 00:02 |
| Balrog_ | iPhone has the edge though | Mar 30 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Basically we are heading for a device maker vs computer maker war. | Mar 30 00:02 |
| oiaohm | With the shortness of money expect it to be last company standing. | Mar 30 00:03 |
| Balrog_ | you have Apple vs. Android-based vs. Motorola vs. Windows | Mar 30 00:03 |
| Balrog_ | though I think Apple and Android can coexist well | Mar 30 00:03 |
| Balrog_ | (and don’t forget the Pre) | Mar 30 00:03 |
| Balrog_ | but why so many different platforms? | Mar 30 00:03 |
| oiaohm | That is the point. | Mar 30 00:03 |
| oiaohm | There is very few valid reasons for so many different platforms. | Mar 30 00:04 |
| Balrog_ | I mean, Pre and Android can probably get combined into one | Mar 30 00:04 |
| Balrog_ | or Pre can build off Android | Mar 30 00:04 |
| Balrog_ | roughlydrafted is finally loading | Mar 30 00:07 |
| oiaohm | palm is also going Linux | Mar 30 00:07 |
| Balrog_ | slow though | Mar 30 00:07 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/03/… | Mar 30 00:07 |
| oiaohm | Core of most of the phones is turning into 1 thing. | Mar 30 00:08 |
| Balrog_ | yeah but why two different codbases? | Mar 30 00:08 |
| Balrog_ | android and pre | Mar 30 00:08 |
| Balrog_ | webos * | Mar 30 00:08 |
| oiaohm | Upper level code base difference.s | Mar 30 00:08 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, but why not make it so they can be merged into one…. | Mar 30 00:09 |
| oiaohm | http://www.limofoundation.org/ of course don’t forget limo | Mar 30 00:09 |
| Balrog_ | probably upper level of webos will be closed-source though :/ | Mar 30 00:09 |
| Balrog_ | heh | Mar 30 00:09 |
| Balrog_ | http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/03/28/… | Mar 30 00:09 |
| oiaohm | There are many teams working on the problem. | Mar 30 00:09 |
| Balrog_ | I hope so | Mar 30 00:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=508 “”Microsoft used Silverlight instead of Flash to deploy this ad on the web. There’s no Silverlight plugin for Firefox on Linux. The open source Moonlight plugin is not available for 64-bit unless you’re running SUSE. Therefore I can’t watch the ad.” | Mar 30 00:10 |
| Balrog_ | and you can’t compile it? | Mar 30 00:10 |
| Balrog_ | well it’s on youtube. | Mar 30 00:11 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 30 00:11 |
| schestowitz | “Way to go, Microsoft. Put out an ad to convince people to buy your products, and lock out Linux users – arguably the people you’d most like to persuade.” | Mar 30 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Most MS sites use Flash | Mar 30 00:12 |
| oiaohm | http://www.khronos.org/openkode/ << is another team working on the problem if split Balrog_ | Mar 30 00:12 |
| schestowitz | http://zombieturtle.co.uk/2009/03/gen… “I’ve spent the last couple of days installing Gentoo on my eee. At the moment I’m roughly 36 hours in to the installing process and there’s still a couple of big builds left (Firefox and Thunderbird). “ | Mar 30 00:12 |
| schestowitz | ^masochism | Mar 30 00:12 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: that ad doesn’t say anything about linux | Mar 30 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Exactly | Mar 30 00:13 |
| oiaohm | khronos working with mozilla they are upto something. | Mar 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft’s #1 enemy | Mar 30 00:13 |
| Balrog_ | it can’t target linux users as they pay less to begin with | Mar 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | They pretend they can ignore it… same with Apple | Mar 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | They oversimplify it for consumer | Mar 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft=cheap | Mar 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | The other=expensive | Mar 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | They don;’t say the L word | Mar 30 00:13 |
| Balrog_ | can you consider apple a #2 enemy? | Mar 30 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Micrsoft enemy is themselfs. | Mar 30 00:13 |
| Balrog_ | (to MS) | Mar 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: yes, maybe | Mar 30 00:13 |
| schestowitz | MS also fears IBM | Mar 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | BillG fears IBM | Mar 30 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Its not anyone else that is going to destroy them. | Mar 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | IBM uses Linux | Mar 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Same with Google | Mar 30 00:14 |
| _Hicham_ | well, DELL computers shipped with Ubuntu weren’t cheaper than those with Vista | Mar 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Linux is ‘breaking point’ | Mar 30 00:14 |
| oiaohm | IBM has many reason to want to kill Microsoft. | Mar 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | GPL holds Linux together | Mar 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Ensuring no single company can be crushed with it | Mar 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Or bought | Mar 30 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Vista was cheeper due to installed ad ware. | Mar 30 00:14 |
| oiaohm | Now if dell starts installing that on ubuntu. | Mar 30 00:14 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: Dell pays MS for patents, we think | Mar 30 00:15 |
| oiaohm | We in theory could see a machine where they pay you to take it. | Mar 30 00:15 |
| schestowitz | IBM hatres MS | Mar 30 00:15 |
| schestowitz | I speak to their guys sometimes, nothing formal | Mar 30 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Some are fed up with the MSNovell part of Novell too | Mar 30 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Like de Icaza | Mar 30 00:15 |
| oiaohm | IBM and SUN merging is bad news of MS. | Mar 30 00:15 |
| _Hicham_ | De Icaza denies formally have participated | Mar 30 00:15 |
| Balrog_ | this ogg encode is killing my system :X | Mar 30 00:15 |
| schestowitz | IBM wants to own Red Hat and Novell | Mar 30 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Both hate MS completely. | Mar 30 00:15 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft ‘buys’ Novell’s balls | Mar 30 00:16 |
| Balrog_ | and Sun | Mar 30 00:16 |
| oiaohm | I wish I had the transcript of one of Sun board meetings. | Mar 30 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Sun wantred to sell | Mar 30 00:16 |
| schestowitz | No idea to whom.. | Mar 30 00:16 |
| oiaohm | Invester meetings. | Mar 30 00:16 |
| schestowitz | So it’s not as though IBM wants to buy | Mar 30 00:16 |
| schestowitz | There are IP issues now | Mar 30 00:16 |
| Balrog_ | they’re trying to sell to IBM | Mar 30 00:16 |
| schestowitz | I think SUN wants to sell itself | Mar 30 00:16 |
| oiaohm | Where they said they would exist until MS was for sure dead. | Mar 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Not IBM wanting SUN.. | Mar 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | IBm just sacked 5k employees | Mar 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Not a good time for shopping spree | Mar 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | wityh too much overlap | Mar 30 00:17 |
| _Hicham_ | Sun doesn’t make a good Java VM for Linux | Mar 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | SPARC, Solaris…. | Mar 30 00:17 |
| _Hicham_ | and they do it on purpose | Mar 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 30 00:17 |
| _Hicham_ | to sell their Solaris | Mar 30 00:17 |
| schestowitz | Stupid of them | Mar 30 00:17 |
| _Hicham_ | I prefer the gcj way | Mar 30 00:18 |
| schestowitz | But the ‘medicine’ | Mar 30 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Like lawyers do | Mar 30 00:18 |
| Balrog_ | what about IcedTea? | Mar 30 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Obsolete | Mar 30 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Soon anyway. | Mar 30 00:18 |
| Balrog_ | and what are the main problems with CDDL, other than GPL incompatibility? | Mar 30 00:18 |
| _Hicham_ | IcedTea still lacks some classes | Mar 30 00:18 |
| oiaohm | CDDL does not give patent protection. | Mar 30 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 30 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Patents | Mar 30 00:19 |
| schestowitz | That’s what kernel hackers said | Mar 30 00:19 |
| schestowitz | patents and other issues | Mar 30 00:19 |
| schestowitz | ZFS = scale issue | Mar 30 00:19 |
| Balrog_ | I also hear it’s not a strong copyleft | Mar 30 00:19 |
| Balrog_ | ZFS still needs work | Mar 30 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Sun really was secrewed with solaris. | Mar 30 00:19 |
| oiaohm | Not enough market to fund maintaining it. | Mar 30 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Like MPL | Mar 30 00:19 |
| oiaohm | So they open sourced it and used a locking licence. | Mar 30 00:19 |
| Balrog_ | MPL is almost equal to CDDL | Mar 30 00:20 |
| schestowitz | So I hear | Mar 30 00:20 |
| schestowitz | IANAL | Mar 30 00:20 |
| oiaohm | MPL was a form of locking licence as well. | Mar 30 00:20 |
| Balrog_ | but it’s about word-for-word | Mar 30 00:20 |
| Balrog_ | just with different names | Mar 30 00:20 |
| schestowitz | What is Btrfs? < http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com/2… > | Mar 30 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Bye, ZFS | Mar 30 00:20 |
| Balrog_ | hrm, APSL is a locking license…. | Mar 30 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Go find a resting place in the belly os OS X | Mar 30 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Configure a Linux Firewall with Webmin < http://www.ghacks.net/2009/03/27/c… > | Mar 30 00:21 |
| Balrog_ | though FSF says it’s free sofware | Mar 30 00:21 |
| oiaohm | btrfs is orcale scratching a itch. | Mar 30 00:21 |
| oiaohm | Now when the leading database maker in the world is scratching a itch they do a good job. | Mar 30 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Nice FS charts: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2009/0… | Mar 30 00:22 |
| oiaohm | orcale is not even finshed with what they want btrfs to be. | Mar 30 00:22 |
| oiaohm | It will be a back end for a cluster filesystem. | Mar 30 00:22 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, I know | Mar 30 00:22 |
| Balrog_ | ZFS is more mature right now though | Mar 30 00:24 |
| schestowitz | Well, obviously | Mar 30 00:26 |
| oiaohm | ReiserFS (Reiserfsck makes the boot chart look like an EKG…..We’re losing him! CLEAR!!!) I like that line | Mar 30 00:27 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember orcale concidered porting ZFS before creating btrfs | Mar 30 00:28 |
| oiaohm | They found something they did not like about ZFS other than licence. | Mar 30 00:28 |
| Balrog_ | hm. | Mar 30 00:28 |
| Balrog_ | any info about that? | Mar 30 00:28 |
| oiaohm | try making a boot loader understand ZFS | Mar 30 00:30 |
| Balrog_ | ah. So that’s why few systems boot from ZFS yet…? | Mar 30 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Mar 30 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Its a very complex format to read. | Mar 30 00:30 |
| oiaohm | So this does effect read performance. | Mar 30 00:31 |
| oiaohm | thinking that 90 percent of operations a filesystem are reading its not a good thing. | Mar 30 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Good idea sun. But you over did the disk struct complexity. | Mar 30 00:32 |
| oiaohm | btrfs one of the key things was simplerfying the disk struct as much as able. | Mar 30 00:34 |
| oiaohm | btrfs even includes a plan be for supporting boot loaders | Mar 30 00:35 |
| Balrog_ | zfs has a lot of features that people like | Mar 30 00:35 |
| oiaohm | ext3/4 with a btrfs inside. | Mar 30 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Database maker all the features in the world is not important if it is slow. | Mar 30 00:36 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, right now zfs is too slow | Mar 30 00:36 |
| Balrog_ | you have a page with an ogg? | Mar 30 00:41 |
| _Hicham_ | balrog_ : olpc.dailymotion.com | Mar 30 00:45 |
| Balrog_ | schestowitz: are you using <video> tags properly? | Mar 30 00:46 |
| schestowitz | I think so, why? | Mar 30 00:48 |
| Balrog_ | some players mess up | Mar 30 00:48 |
| Balrog_ | only with yours | Mar 30 00:48 |
| oiaohm | zfs gains it speed by adding drives. | Mar 30 00:50 |
| Balrog_ | it seems like it may be your controls=”” | Mar 30 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Sun designers focused on raid to give speed. | Mar 30 00:51 |
| Balrog_ | << schestowitz | Mar 30 00:51 |
| Balrog_ | got it? | Mar 30 00:52 |
| Balrog_ | what is the desired effect of controls= | Mar 30 00:52 |
| Balrog_ | “” ? | Mar 30 00:52 |
| Balrog_ | by the way, Safari works with <video> tags but you need an ogg extension to quicktime | Mar 30 00:54 |
| Balrog_ | (for ogg/theora playback) | Mar 30 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I think it’s all right | Mar 30 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Someone told me to add it | Mar 30 00:54 |
| schestowitz | It puts controls in the player | Mar 30 00:54 |
| Balrog_ | I see. The #theora people say it’s a bug in the decoder | Mar 30 00:54 |
| Balrog_ | one site has controls=”controls” | Mar 30 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm.. not where I checked | Mar 30 00:55 |
| Balrog_ | yeah, it looks like the oggs are a little messed up | Mar 30 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they haven’t decided yet | Mar 30 00:55 |
| schestowitz | HTML5 is recommendation, not a standard | Mar 30 00:55 |
| Balrog_ | yes, I know… | Mar 30 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Will be a standard. | Mar 30 00:55 |
| oiaohm | When they get the final bits sorted out. | Mar 30 00:55 |
| Balrog_ | I hope they keep ogg vorbis and theora…unless somehow they can royalty-free h.264 and mpeg4 | Mar 30 00:56 |
| Balrog_ |  |
Mar 30 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Still working around defects is really not the way forward. | Mar 30 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Getting defects fixed is. | Mar 30 00:56 |
| Balrog_ | yeah. I don’t think the controls tags make much difference | Mar 30 00:56 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm is a radical person | Mar 30 01:13 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm is the leader of the radical party in Computer Science | Mar 30 01:13 |
| schestowitz | Like Pinky and the Brain | Mar 30 01:15 |
| _Hicham_ | “We will take over the World” | Mar 30 01:16 |
| _Hicham_ | will u take over the world Roy? | Mar 30 01:16 |
| schestowitz | No, weird questions to ask. Embarrassing stuff… | Mar 30 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Did you know Gates said something like that? | Mar 30 01:18 |
| schestowitz | In the 90s… “talking over the world”… in a computer magazine | Mar 30 01:18 |
| _Hicham_ | why not? | Mar 30 01:18 |
| _Hicham_ | u would be a better king | Mar 30 01:19 |
| _Hicham_ | no? | Mar 30 01:19 |
| schestowitz | Kings=tyranny | Mar 30 01:19 |
| schestowitz | We need democracy | Mar 30 01:19 |
| schestowitz | So that citizens vote on stuff like war | Mar 30 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Not two people leading a party whose elected majority is 51% | Mar 30 01:20 |
| schestowitz | In the US, it’s “winner takes all” and leader takes all therein | Mar 30 01:20 |
| schestowitz | So you have tyrants… like STALIN | Mar 30 01:20 |
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| schestowitz | Churchill liked Stalin…. when he fought Hitler… only later they got a little scared and the “Animal Farm” propaganda began, then the Cold War. | Mar 30 01:21 |
| oiaohm | I am not exactly radical. | Mar 30 01:22 |
| oiaohm | I have just seen too much of computer history. | Mar 30 01:22 |
| oiaohm | After awhile everything just seams like repeats with different names. | Mar 30 01:22 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : that is science | Mar 30 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly its history. | Mar 30 01:23 |
| _Hicham_ | we do not have a complete good conception from the start | Mar 30 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Technical history | Mar 30 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Not events | Mar 30 01:23 |
| schestowitz | History = events | Mar 30 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Knowing maths != remembering events | Mar 30 01:24 |
| schestowitz | But mastering methods | Mar 30 01:24 |
| _Hicham_ | by the way Roy is a super mathematician | Mar 30 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Unix version war, Linux distribution infighting. | Mar 30 01:24 |
| _Hicham_ | did u see the documentary on Fermat’s Last Theorem? | Mar 30 01:24 |
| oiaohm | nothering has really changed there. | Mar 30 01:25 |
| oiaohm | in over 30 years. | Mar 30 01:25 |
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| oiaohm | Just the name changed. | Mar 30 01:25 |
| _Hicham_ | and code | Mar 30 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Its like wars they are all started in the same kinds of ways. | Mar 30 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Weapons used changed but that is it. | Mar 30 01:26 |
| _Hicham_ | but the problem with software is that there wasn’t a lot of code reuse | Mar 30 01:26 |
| _Hicham_ | unlike hardware | Mar 30 01:26 |
| oiaohm | In 20 years time Linux might be top and a new competitor trying to destory it. | Mar 30 01:26 |
| oiaohm | This is the way of the world. | Mar 30 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Look at all the maps going back through history who owns land has changed. | Mar 30 01:27 |
| _Hicham_ | Maybe it will be one of Roy’s sons | Mar 30 01:27 |
| oiaohm | You do know that the name Unix is a joke. | Mar 30 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Make after the OS it was competing with. | Mar 30 01:28 |
| _Hicham_ | yes | Mar 30 01:28 |
| _Hicham_ | as opposed to Multics | Mar 30 01:28 |
| oiaohm | History is repeating. | Mar 30 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Over and over again. | Mar 30 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | that is free software | Mar 30 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Linux is not the name Linus want to give Linux. | Mar 30 01:29 |
| _Hicham_ | it is somewhat childish | Mar 30 01:29 |
| oiaohm | All software is. | Mar 30 01:29 |
| oiaohm | MS repeats same mistakes over and over again. | Mar 30 01:29 |
| oiaohm | No one is learning from history. | Mar 30 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Computer courses don’t bother teaching it because they are future looking. | Mar 30 01:30 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: I’m not a methematician | Mar 30 01:30 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : u contributed a lot to Matlab, no? | Mar 30 01:30 |
| schestowitz | I do basic mathematics but sometime use my colleagues | Mar 30 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Knowledge of history makes me way different. | Mar 30 01:30 |
| schestowitz | Not a lot. | Mar 30 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Same with schestowitz knowledge of history effects him. | Mar 30 01:31 |
| schestowitz | For hard maths I consult people whose field it is | Mar 30 01:31 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : u r very different | Mar 30 01:31 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : so can u come with an algo to destroy MS? | Mar 30 01:31 |
| schestowitz | No need | Mar 30 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is obsolete | Mar 30 01:32 |
| schestowitz | it can’t adapt | Mar 30 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Hardware gets cheap | Mar 30 01:32 |
| schestowitz | And its softare sucks | Mar 30 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Apple is not needed | Mar 30 01:32 |
| oiaohm | History tells me and schestowitz what will destory MS. | Mar 30 01:32 |
| schestowitz | B/c IBM, HP et al want to sell hardware with complimentary OS | Mar 30 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Look at the software companies that have died. | Mar 30 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Which they do by funding Linux and helping around with other parts (mostly Red Hat, Novell too and now Canonical) | Mar 30 01:32 |
| oiaohm | MS is repeating lots of there mistakes. | Mar 30 01:32 |
| _Hicham_ | what if MS became a hardware one? | Mar 30 01:33 |
| schestowitz | *And Mandriva and so on… hard to miss some credits. | Mar 30 01:33 |
| oiaohm | where is amiga | Mar 30 01:33 |
| schestowitz | _Hicham_: it tried | Mar 30 01:33 |
| schestowitz | XBox, Zune… | Mar 30 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Colossal failure | Mar 30 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Becoming hardware does not save you if you cannot operate cheep enough. | Mar 30 01:33 |
| schestowitz | They lost billions | Mar 30 01:33 |
| schestowitz | There are many hardware companies | Mar 30 01:33 |
| _Hicham_ | since march 2008 | Mar 30 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Building a monopoly like Intel’s is hard | Mar 30 01:33 |
| schestowitz | And intel moves away from MS too right now. | Mar 30 01:34 |
| oiaohm | MS is still losing billions in there hardware departments _Hicham_ | Mar 30 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Moblin and other stuff… | Mar 30 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Do or die… | Mar 30 01:34 |
| schestowitz | ARM+Linux… | Mar 30 01:34 |
| schestowitz | $150 | Mar 30 01:34 |
| _Hicham_ | Intel is a real giant | Mar 30 01:34 |
| oiaohm | ARM developments are very much in alignment with Linux. | Mar 30 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Criminal giant | Mar 30 01:34 |
| oiaohm | No single company makes ARM chips. | Mar 30 01:34 |
| schestowitz | My bro-in-law works there. | Mar 30 01:34 |
| schestowitz | But it’s the management where the criminals live | Mar 30 01:35 |
| oiaohm | No single company improves ARM design. | Mar 30 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Schemeing who to bribe and how | Mar 30 01:35 |
| schestowitz | To please ‘shareholders’ | Mar 30 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Wintel agreements got intel where it is today. | Mar 30 01:35 |
| _Hicham_ | Intel will seek a new strategic ally | Mar 30 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Just like the Apple Moterola(what I can never spell) got it to where moterola is today as 1 of the top phone makers. | Mar 30 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Intel really does not need MS. | Mar 30 01:36 |
| oiaohm | MS needs Intel. | Mar 30 01:36 |
| oiaohm | That is MS problem they got stupid everyone needs me. | Mar 30 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Who does that remind you of in recent computer history. | Mar 30 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Apple of 1993 | Mar 30 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Pride comes before a huge mother of a fall it always has. | Mar 30 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Intel already has a new ally Linux. | Mar 30 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Are you starting to see where my difference comes from _Hicham_ | Mar 30 01:39 |
| oiaohm | I missed out sun microsystems of 1995 on super computers saying that Linux would have no market share there so Linux was not a threat to them. | Mar 30 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Intel’s profit sank 90% | Mar 30 01:40 |
| oiaohm | MS made the same statement about Linux in 2004. | Mar 30 01:40 |
| schestowitz | (in last quarter’s report) | Mar 30 01:40 |
| schestowitz | Vista couldn’t have helped | Mar 30 01:40 |
| oiaohm | That MS fans rally around. | Mar 30 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Sun and Apple fans ralled around the same things. | Mar 30 01:41 |
| oiaohm | History repeating. | Mar 30 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Company names changed actions not changed. | Mar 30 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Both Sun and Apple over charged for there OS. | Mar 30 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Both paid the price. | Mar 30 01:41 |
| schestowitz | IBM->MS->Google graph? | Mar 30 01:41 |
| schestowitz | Rise and falls.. | Mar 30 01:42 |
| some good news from the US, http://slashdot.org/firehose… | Mar 30 01:42 | |
| oiaohm | Rise and falls aways happen due to the same reasons. | Mar 30 01:42 |
| The 15 year old US obsession with IP may be over. | Mar 30 01:43 | |
| Put it in the Iraq war and war against terror ash heap. | Mar 30 01:43 | |
| I found that link on Groklaw a few minutes ago but could find no further stories. | Mar 30 01:44 | |
| oiaohm | You can list the war on terror through history. | Mar 30 01:45 |
| *schestowitz will respost this tomorrow | Mar 30 01:45 | |
| cool | Mar 30 01:45 | |
| oiaohm | Most are the same thing Christians vs Mulsim . | Mar 30 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Basically we are not willing to get along. | Mar 30 01:45 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : who said that Christians do not want to get along with Muslims? | Mar 30 01:47 |
| _Hicham_ | that is absolutely false | Mar 30 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Leaders of the Christians and Leaders of the Muslims don’t end up getting along. | Mar 30 01:48 |
| _Hicham_ | u r talking about the Leaders then | Mar 30 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Because to them what seams wrong to 1 seams right the other. | Mar 30 01:48 |
| _Hicham_ | I agree on that then | Mar 30 01:48 |
| not very good leaders either | Mar 30 01:48 | |
| _Hicham_ | but just the Leaders | Mar 30 01:49 |
| oiaohm | And the people follow. | Mar 30 01:49 |
| no, just a few idiots | Mar 30 01:49 | |
| _Hicham_ | because the nations want peace | Mar 30 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | plain peace | Mar 30 01:49 |
| oiaohm | Basic beliefs being different fuel the repeating problem _Hicham_ | Mar 30 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : people don’t follow | Mar 30 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : basic beliefs are the same | Mar 30 01:49 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : what beliefs are differents? | Mar 30 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Basic beliefs in how people should be treated. | Mar 30 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Actions to each other. | Mar 30 01:50 |
| _Hicham_ | and how people should be treated according to Christianity? | Mar 30 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. Its not in the text. There is a form of culture traveling along with the religions. | Mar 30 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Like the basic text of muslims don’t cover that a women hav to be covered from head to toe. | Mar 30 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Or that spitting on people is ok. | Mar 30 01:52 |
| oiaohm | There is a basic beliefs and sub culture attached to both groups. | Mar 30 01:53 |
| oiaohm | That will keep on causing disputes until its addressed. | Mar 30 01:53 |
| _Hicham_ | the woman should be well covered in Islam | Mar 30 01:53 |
| _Hicham_ | and it is not okay to spit | Mar 30 01:53 |
| oiaohm | By text yes. | Mar 30 01:53 |
| oiaohm | By subculture traveling along with it. | Mar 30 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Myths | Mar 30 01:54 |
| schestowitz | About spitting | Mar 30 01:54 |
| _Hicham_ | and what matters more than text? | Mar 30 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Or cutting of arms | Mar 30 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Shit like Alla din teaches lies. | Mar 30 01:54 |
| schestowitz | *Aladdin | Mar 30 01:54 |
| _Hicham_ | the cutting of Arms haven’t been practiced | Mar 30 01:54 |
| schestowitz | I know | Mar 30 01:54 |
| schestowitz | Only after many repeated offenses in very devour places | Mar 30 01:55 |
| schestowitz | But ask Americans on the street about it | Mar 30 01:55 |
| _Hicham_ | i already showed u the video about americans Roy | Mar 30 01:55 |
| *schestowitz hates FOX | Mar 30 01:55 | |
| _Hicham_ | and Loves Firefox | Mar 30 01:55 |
| schestowitz | It reminds of that Schwarzenegger film | Mar 30 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Where he’s on that ‘reality’ show | Mar 30 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Where they abuse the contestants for ratings | Mar 30 01:56 |
| schestowitz | And get sent down tunnels at high speeds | Mar 30 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Things that don’t do muslims good are where like people say just because a women did not cover them selfs up they had the right to rape. In the text no that is not allowed ever. | Mar 30 01:56 |
| schestowitz | I was a kid when I watched it… scared me | Mar 30 01:56 |
| oiaohm | The text gets abused. | Mar 30 01:56 |
| _Hicham_ | rape is not permitted | Mar 30 01:57 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : u are melting traditions with religion | Mar 30 01:57 |
| oiaohm | traditions are the basic believes I am talking about. | Mar 30 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Lot of those traditions travel with religions groups in the background. | Mar 30 01:57 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : traditions are not sacred | Mar 30 01:58 |
| _Hicham_ | they can change | Mar 30 01:58 |
| _Hicham_ | but the text not | Mar 30 01:58 |
| oiaohm | That is the point. | Mar 30 01:58 |
| oiaohm | the traditions cause the griding between the two groups. | Mar 30 01:58 |
| _Hicham_ | the Quran is same | Mar 30 01:58 |
| _Hicham_ | since the Prophet | Mar 30 01:58 |
| oiaohm | yet people are not seeing the importance to address them. | Mar 30 01:58 |
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| yuhong | BTW, what do you think went wrong with MS? | Mar 30 01:59 |
| _Hicham_ | there are no traditions really remaining with globalization | Mar 30 01:59 |
| yuhong | That makes it so evil now? | Mar 30 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Time globalization will sort the mess out _Hicham_ . | Mar 30 02:00 |
| oiaohm | But until then _Hicham_ more wars to be expected. | Mar 30 02:00 |
| _Hicham_ | but not based on traditions | Mar 30 02:00 |
| _Hicham_ | on oil | Mar 30 02:00 |
| _Hicham_ | oil is the cause for the next war | Mar 30 02:01 |
| oiaohm | yuhong: microsoft went wrong so many ways it not funny. | Mar 30 02:01 |
| yuhong | I heard it is the business tactics that made it so evil. | Mar 30 02:01 |
| oiaohm | I could spend years on every place they stuffed up yuhong. Most important ones is forgetting there customers. | Mar 30 02:02 |
| _Hicham_ | yuhong : boycottnovell.com is full of their crimes | Mar 30 02:02 |
| yuhong | Yep, I know | Mar 30 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Media companies wanted drm is MS inculded it. Is DRM good for the long term of there OS buyers no. | Mar 30 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Who pays MS money. The person who buys there product not the media companies. | Mar 30 02:03 |
| oiaohm | MS basically lost sight of who was important. | Mar 30 02:03 |
| yuhong | I heard it is the business tactics that made it so evil. | Mar 30 02:03 |
| oiaohm | And just focused on extracting the most money. | Mar 30 02:03 |
| oiaohm | Yes if you are focused on making the most money you go after nuking everyone else in your path yuhong | Mar 30 02:04 |
| oiaohm | No matter how illegal it is. MS had done many illegal things to get where they are now. | Mar 30 02:04 |
| yuhong | I know. | Mar 30 02:05 |
| yuhong | Someone said MS is corrupt, what do they mean by this? | Mar 30 02:05 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : can I compile firefox with Portland’s Group Compiler? | Mar 30 02:05 |
| oiaohm | Infected by greed and forgeting who is important. | Mar 30 02:05 |
| oiaohm | _Hicham_: can be done. Takes ages. | Mar 30 02:06 |
| oiaohm | corrupt in the sence they bribe people and do what ever to get what they want. | Mar 30 02:06 |
| _Hicham_ | oiaohm : and how would be the result? | Mar 30 02:06 |
| oiaohm | _Hicham_: faster than gcc built. | Mar 30 02:07 |
| oiaohm | _Hicham_: About the same as llvm built. | Mar 30 02:07 |
| oiaohm | yuhong: you basically cannot do illegal things and expect not to be called corrupt or evil. | Mar 30 02:08 |
| yuhong | Of course not. | Mar 30 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Problem here is Novell is not past doing the same things. | Mar 30 02:09 |
| oiaohm | yet they play to be a white night. | Mar 30 02:09 |
| yuhong | BTW, I am not really expecting MS’s business practices to change until Ballmer retires from MS. | Mar 30 02:10 |
| oiaohm | That might be soon. | Mar 30 02:10 |
| oiaohm | Share holders are trying to get rid of Ballmer | Mar 30 02:10 |
| yuhong | Then we will see. | Mar 30 02:10 |
| oiaohm | MS is basically a dieing company. | Mar 30 02:11 |
| oiaohm | Like the Unix companies of old. | Mar 30 02:11 |
| yuhong | I would not go that far. | Mar 30 02:11 |
| oiaohm | I would. | Mar 30 02:11 |
| oiaohm | Major overheads. | Mar 30 02:11 |
| yuhong | I don’t think Windows will die. | Mar 30 02:11 |
| oiaohm | Cheaper competitors | Mar 30 02:11 |
| oiaohm | Same things that in the end killed off most of the Unix’s MS is facing. | Mar 30 02:12 |
| yuhong | But I would not critisize Linux either. | Mar 30 02:12 |
| oiaohm | Linux is only recently focusing on improving there desktop side. | Mar 30 02:12 |
| yuhong | On the matter of Unix, compare how Sun Microsystems responded to open source with how MS did it. | Mar 30 02:12 |
| oiaohm | Sun is basically dead. | Mar 30 02:13 |
| oiaohm | they are selling themselves to IBM. | Mar 30 02:13 |
| yuhong | I ｋｎｏｗ． | Mar 30 02:13 |
| oiaohm | Sun tried to live through the wall of open source. | Mar 30 02:13 |
| oiaohm | that is what MS is facing. | Mar 30 02:14 |
| yuhong | And my point is, which one is better? | Mar 30 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Linux has the super computer market under control. For Linux companies to keep on expanding profits they have to take out other markets. | Mar 30 02:14 |
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| oiaohm | Bit like MS 6 years ago. | Mar 30 02:15 |
| oiaohm | The question is what markets are those companies going to take first. | Mar 30 02:15 |
| oiaohm | Sun slowed Linux from leaving the super computer market because it took so long to get up good enough to take over the market. | Mar 30 02:16 |
| oiaohm | Yep Linux well funded and looking for new markets. | Mar 30 02:16 |
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| oiaohm | Netbooks ok that has not 100 percent worked but its reduced MS income. | Mar 30 02:17 |
| _Hicham_ | good night everybody | Mar 30 02:17 |
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| yuhong | I think the key general question is, how does the monopoly respond to competitors? | Mar 30 02:18 |
| oiaohm | MS did not have to face the wall while major Linux companies had no interest in desktop interface. | Mar 30 02:18 |
| oiaohm | By trying to undercut, legal enforcement and outlast yuhong | Mar 30 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Linux has a basic monopoly in supercomputers. | Mar 30 02:19 |
| oiaohm | It got it by being better and cloning other sides features. | Mar 30 02:19 |
| oiaohm | We have two groups with monopolies going head to head with each other. | Mar 30 02:20 |
| yuhong | Compare with Google. | Mar 30 02:20 |
| oiaohm | So far none of MS attacks on Linux monopoly has even caused a scratch. | Mar 30 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Google is a major Linux supporter. | Mar 30 02:20 |
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| oiaohm | They are one of the Linux companies looking for new markets to make profits in. | Mar 30 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Whao. This is strange… like dual-voice.. http://www.youtube.com/w… | Mar 30 02:35 |
| schestowitz | King Juan Carlos to Chavez: “Why don’t you shut up!?” < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A… > | Mar 30 02:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWkZOU… Good one.. | Mar 30 02:48 |
| oiaohm | Not a dual-voice one hell of a range. | Mar 30 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Use the top and bottom of range. | Mar 30 02:50 |
| oiaohm | I did voice training at one point. Songs like that are used to push changing between ranges quickly. Very hard to do and I don’t have that much range. | Mar 30 02:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I thought it was fake at first | Mar 30 02:52 |
| schestowitz | LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v… | Mar 30 02:53 |
| oiaohm | One of the give aways is how fast breath is being consumed. | Mar 30 02:53 |
| oiaohm | At the top and bottom of you range your breath don’t last long. | Mar 30 02:53 |
| schestowitz | No idea why the automated recommendation engine recommended this song | Mar 30 03:00 |
| schestowitz | It’s actually interesting to see what matches a user through automation. I was watching a documentary about Aladdin some while ago | Mar 30 03:01 |
| schestowitz | It’s fascinating how packed with poison cartoons can be | Mar 30 03:01 |
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| oiaohm | Exactly schestowitz cartoons contain lot of the base of our preduduces. Because they are base on the base of the culture. | Mar 30 03:21 |
| schestowitz | Innocence makes confidence | Mar 30 03:21 |
| schestowitz | It’s for kids, so it can’t be propaganda, can it? |
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| oiaohm | These are the issues in base culture I am talking about. | Mar 30 03:27 |
| oiaohm | Its not relegiion is everything in the cultrure around the relegion causes massive problems. | Mar 30 03:28 |
| oiaohm | It appears in reporting any everything. | Mar 30 03:28 |
| oiaohm | Its not propaganda as such. Its worse. Its hidden in the general beliefs of the people. | Mar 30 03:29 |
| schestowitz | gn | Mar 30 03:29 |
| oiaohm | Same kinds of general beliefs have even formed up in business. | Mar 30 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Like free cannot be good. | Mar 30 03:30 |
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| amd-linux | Roy, comment function does not work – keeps insisting that 2+11 is NOT 13…. | Mar 30 05:44 |
| amd-linux | wanted to add this to your daily links section: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Open_… | Mar 30 05:44 |
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| tessier | Just like you and your fellow Microsofties, I talked to a lot of people who where either affected by the 1,400 cut or who had a friend affected. From just my perspective, everyone I know or know-of through someone in Redmond was… rehired. | Mar 30 05:59 |
| tessier | - mini-microsoft | Mar 30 05:59 |
| tessier | b | Mar 30 06:04 |
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| schestowitz | Hey | Mar 30 08:42 |
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| schestowitz | I’ve just removed the maths riddle in the comment. Let’s see the effect on SPAM. It ought to have worked for <amd-linux>. | Mar 30 08:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watc… | Mar 30 09:08 |
| schestowitz | .. | Mar 30 10:10 |
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| schestowitz | Hey, anivar | Mar 30 12:05 |
| schestowitz | What’s up? | Mar 30 12:05 |
| anivar | schestowitz: come on private chat | Mar 30 12:06 |
| anivar | jagit from sun mailed that ODF allainace will award only an individual | Mar 30 12:07 |
| schestowitz | Let me see…… | Mar 30 12:08 |
| anivar | But ODF Alliance Press release says excited abt gigi’s poem in patha bhedam | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | Thanks. | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | I got the mails and messages | Mar 30 12:08 |
| anivar | soory cut and paste error | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | I’ll post an update when it’s finalised | Mar 30 12:08 |
| anivar | ODF Alliance awards recognize the contribution of individuals or entities who have significantly advanced document freedom | Mar 30 12:08 |
| schestowitz | As in, if the award is passed to someone else | Mar 30 12:09 |
| anivar | http://www.odfalliance.org/blog/index… | Mar 30 12:09 |
| schestowitz | |
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| anivar | i already fwed the thread | Mar 30 12:09 |
| schestowitz | “2 things are getting ready. One is A letter detailing the time line of it@school project & asking ODF Alliance to take back the award to anvar and give it to IT@school & SCERT instead” | Mar 30 12:09 |
| schestowitz | I’d repost or mention this | Mar 30 12:09 |
| schestowitz | I think it’s important | Mar 30 12:09 |
| anivar | ok | Mar 30 12:09 |
| schestowitz | Took me a while to do yesterday’s post | Mar 30 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Someone picked up a reference to another man with the same name | Mar 30 12:10 |
| anivar | i also sent a mail 2 you | Mar 30 12:10 |
| schestowitz | So now they cling onto it and try to bury the whole. | Mar 30 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I got the mail | Mar 30 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Had no time to read them yet | Mar 30 12:10 |
| schestowitz | There’s not much I can do | Mar 30 12:10 |
| anivar | that was a mistake. But I thought that it was something during he works on IKM | Mar 30 12:10 |
| schestowitz | Cause I’m not part of the circulation | Mar 30 12:10 |
| anivar | schestowitz: I know | Mar 30 12:11 |
| anivar | But just keep you informed | Mar 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | So to me it’s useful if there’s new info | Mar 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | I can’t weigh in | Mar 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, anivar | Mar 30 12:11 |
| schestowitz | I appreciate it | Mar 30 12:11 |
| anivar | Stress on the point ODF & Free software came to existance on IT@school, Project much before he joined.. | Mar 30 12:12 |
| anivar | And the problems during his term is already well covered | Mar 30 12:13 |
| anivar | he is trying to create a victim image. Today One of my friend in ODF alliance called me and said that they understand the mistake | Mar 30 12:13 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Mar 30 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Free software != ODF | Mar 30 12:14 |
| schestowitz | Also, IBM’s involved | Mar 30 12:14 |
| schestowitz | IBM != FS | Mar 30 12:14 |
| anivar | he said they wanted to please buerocrats with award to make more things happen | Mar 30 12:14 |
| anivar | yes | Mar 30 12:14 |
| schestowitz | anivar: of course he’ll deflect | Mar 30 12:14 |
| schestowitz | It’s the defense | Mar 30 12:14 |
| schestowitz | I would be surprised if there wasn’t a second ‘version’ | Mar 30 12:15 |
| schestowitz | That portrays this as a witchhunt | Mar 30 12:15 |
| anivar | But In Kerala Free Software Dicussion is Grassroot and we adopt odf Because of its Freedom angle | Mar 30 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft too always has some spin that makes it the victum | Mar 30 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Like the Redmond bridge taxpayers build for it….. Microsoft came up with spin for this too  |
Mar 30 12:15 |
| schestowitz | Don’t let it deter you | Mar 30 12:15 |
| anivar | A big community is already there to facilitate change .. Kerala’s Free Software achivements are Bottom up. Not Top down | Mar 30 12:16 |
| anivar | That was their mistake in understanding | Mar 30 12:16 |
| anivar | Also I came to knoe that Lotus Notes Team visited Kerala govt recently to push their freeware. but some of our friends blocked it | Mar 30 12:17 |
| anivar | IBM | Mar 30 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like democracy | Mar 30 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Well, more of it than in the States for example | Mar 30 12:21 |
| schestowitz | In the US (and UK) decisions always come from the top | Mar 30 12:21 |
| schestowitz | The ‘crowd’ is kept stupid and impotent | Mar 30 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Decisions are made by the top and then forced through consent downstream | Mar 30 12:22 |
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| schestowitz | So I find it fascinating | Mar 30 12:22 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: hi | Mar 30 12:22 |
| schestowitz | anivar: zer0c00l is a FS advocate from India | Mar 30 12:22 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz:hi | Mar 30 12:22 |
| zer0c00l | |
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| zer0c00l | hi anivar | Mar 30 12:23 |
| zer0c00l | anivar from kerala? | Mar 30 12:23 |
| *zer0c00l thinks anivar hasn’t noticed yet | Mar 30 12:25 | |
| anivar | zer0c00l: yes | Mar 30 12:27 |
| anivar | zer0c00l: are you from tamil nadu? | Mar 30 12:28 |
| anivar | i have seen in some IRC logs | Mar 30 12:28 |
| zer0c00l | yes | Mar 30 12:28 |
| zer0c00l | i am | Mar 30 12:28 |
| *anivar is based on bangalore now | Mar 30 12:29 | |
| anivar | works with FSUG-Bangalore | Mar 30 12:29 |
| zer0c00l | great | Mar 30 12:29 |
| zer0c00l | |
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| anivar | zer0c00l: are you a student? | Mar 30 12:31 |
| zer0c00l | yes i am | Mar 30 12:31 |
| zer0c00l | anivar: yes i am a student | Mar 30 12:31 |
| schestowitz | anivar helped with the post on the ODF thing | Mar 30 12:33 |
| schestowitz | I see that Anvar’s friend jump to his rescue now | Mar 30 12:33 |
| schestowitz | In the comments | Mar 30 12:33 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/03/2… | Mar 30 12:33 |
| anivar | schestowitz: Anvar is very friendly with some left party leaders including education minister | Mar 30 12:34 |
| anivar | So we can expect a lot of trolls here | Mar 30 12:35 |
| schestowitz | That’s OK | Mar 30 12:39 |
| schestowitz | I knew it would happen | Mar 30 12:39 |
| schestowitz | The problem is the anti-BN/pro-MS trolls who will piggyback the critics | Mar 30 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Those who love Microsoft ($$) will usually find some support from others who do, e.g. politicians. | Mar 30 12:40 |
| anivar | We dont need to go for personal attacks with anwar. because our issue is different from that. he trying to personalise debate | Mar 30 12:41 |
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| anivar | we dont have a problem if award is to IT@school and anwar receives it using his director position .. Redhat’s Recent award is also got for IT@school in same way | Mar 30 12:44 |
| anivar | http://www.skoch.in/html/skoch_r… | Mar 30 12:44 |
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| _Hicham_ | Hi Roy | Mar 30 13:05 |
| schestowitz | the server went insane | Mar 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Server Load 26.52 (4 cpus) | Mar 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Memory Used 90.8 % | Mar 30 13:07 |
| schestowitz | pop failed | Mar 30 13:07 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : is it an attack from MS? | Mar 30 13:08 |
| zer0c00l | _Hicham_: why not? | Mar 30 13:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inqui… (NEC kills off PC sales ) | Mar 30 13:11 |
| _Hicham_ | Roy : you should get prepared | Mar 30 13:12 |
| schestowitz | For what? | Mar 30 13:13 |
| schestowitz | All I hear about April Fool is viruses… http://www.itwire.com/con… | Mar 30 13:15 |
| schestowitz | I don’t understand why it happened so suddenly… the server load… | Mar 30 13:16 |
| schestowitz | It was all fast.. and the memory usage seems suspect | Mar 30 13:16 |
| _Hicham_ | what system is the server using? | Mar 30 13:16 |
| *pocek (i=pock@77-253-48-233.adsl.inetia.pl) has left #boycottnovell | Mar 30 13:19 | |
| schestowitz | Red Hat | Mar 30 13:19 |
| _Hicham_ | is PHP patched with Suhosin? | Mar 30 13:19 |
| zer0c00l | what is suhosin? | Mar 30 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Hmm I would suspect memory leak. | Mar 30 13:20 |
| schestowitz | “Server Load 60.04 (4 cpus)” | Mar 30 13:21 |
| schestowitz | “Memory Used 88.2 %” | Mar 30 13:21 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: seems possible | Mar 30 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Memory usage is usually 40%. Never above 50% | Mar 30 13:21 |
| schestowitz | I suppose they are aware by now, but haven’t said anything yet | Mar 30 13:22 |
| oiaohm | You have not updated you cache system recently by any chance. | Mar 30 13:22 |
| _Hicham_ | Maybe all the users became aware of pipeling | Mar 30 13:23 |
| _Hicham_ | pipelining | Mar 30 13:23 |
| zer0c00l | suhosin hardening php http://www.hardened-php.net/suhosin/ | Mar 30 13:23 |
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