04.21.09
IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: April 20th, 2009 – Part 2
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| schestowitz | Who gets fireed for using Mysql? It’s ORACLE!  |
Apr 20 13:37 |
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| oiaohm | Exactly. | Apr 20 13:38 |
| schestowitz | “But boss, I told you MySQL is an Oracle product” | Apr 20 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Mysql quality in places has to go up. | Apr 20 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Or it will give Oracle a black eye. | Apr 20 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I like that. | Apr 20 13:38 |
| schestowitz | “But boss, blame Oracle for the data loss. I told you MySQL is an Oracle product” | Apr 20 13:39 |
| schestowitz | By the way, I never found out why the Wiki DB in BN went titsup for the first time some months ago, then restored from BU | Apr 20 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Simple fact Oracle knows they cannot keep there current margins against enterpised db. | Apr 20 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Support contracts is money. | Apr 20 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Oracle reported good results actuallty | Apr 20 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Showing that Microsoft’s pains are not universal | Apr 20 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Oracle contracts are 5 years. | Apr 20 13:40 |
| oiaohm | Yep they will not be effected yet. | Apr 20 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has disappointed investors since April 2008. That’s 4 consecutive quarters now. | Apr 20 13:40 |
| oiaohm | The investers should be waking up. | Apr 20 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Most IT companies are making profits. | Apr 20 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Most? | Apr 20 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft and Novell are both sinking like a stone. | Apr 20 13:41 |
| schestowitz | What IT company size? | Apr 20 13:41 |
| schestowitz | This is not linear curve of scale | Apr 20 13:41 |
| schestowitz | It’s like a hyperbole with few companies actually making big profits | Apr 20 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Netbooks they are selling like hot cakes. | Apr 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | And many 1-man business getting none | Apr 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: at whose expense? | Apr 20 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Microsofts. | Apr 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | No matter what the netbooks run, they hurt MS | Apr 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | And 20-30% run Linux | Apr 20 13:42 |
| schestowitz | (Globally) | Apr 20 13:42 |
| oiaohm | IT support personally still have to configure them. | Apr 20 13:42 |
| oiaohm | So they get paid. | Apr 20 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Sales volume is making up for the lower price. | Apr 20 13:43 |
| schestowitz | IT config is a niche | Apr 20 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Sorta | Apr 20 13:43 |
| oiaohm | So shops not being hurt. | Apr 20 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Well, what you count as IT doesn’t necessarily account for producer | Apr 20 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Intel and amd are selling chips. | Apr 20 13:43 |
| schestowitz | FOSS made producers different | Apr 20 13:43 |
| schestowitz | It makes it worthwhile for them to work in peer mode | Apr 20 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Maintainers sumbit patches | Apr 20 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Like WordPress users and Linux users like oracle | Apr 20 13:44 |
| schestowitz | They sell low-end chips now | Apr 20 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Or they could lower the price of multi-cores which they do | Apr 20 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Lot of 1-man businesses are not making profits because they are not running right. | Apr 20 13:44 |
| schestowitz | Else they sell almost none anyway, except in servers (Google et al) | Apr 20 13:44 |
| oiaohm | More people with computers the more they screw them up. | Apr 20 13:45 |
| oiaohm | So more repair work. | Apr 20 13:45 |
| schestowitz | tacone for example is a web developer | Apr 20 13:45 |
| schestowitz | He can deploy FOSS for people | Apr 20 13:45 |
| schestowitz | That’s how people make money | Apr 20 13:45 |
| schestowitz | There’s competition there from developing countries though | Apr 20 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Web developers have taken a hit. | Apr 20 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Not that bad. | Apr 20 13:45 |
| schestowitz | I see many businesses in India that design and develop sites, but with FOSS | Apr 20 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Most of the IT market is not harmed. | Apr 20 13:46 |
| oiaohm | My main field is. | Apr 20 13:46 |
| oiaohm | security analyst There is basically no jobs in it. | Apr 20 13:47 |
| schestowitz | But security needs are up | Apr 20 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Cybercrime is up | Apr 20 13:47 |
| oiaohm | I know. | Apr 20 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Businesses are not paying. | Apr 20 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Even you pal Microsoft spoke about it last week | Apr 20 13:47 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they’ll pay | Apr 20 13:47 |
| schestowitz | [The other way] | Apr 20 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Yes I know. | Apr 20 13:47 |
| schestowitz | They’ll pay in losses of data and secrets | Apr 20 13:47 |
| oiaohm | I am getting more datarecovery work. | Apr 20 13:47 |
| oiaohm | From ones who did not pay for the secuirty in advance. | Apr 20 13:48 |
| oiaohm | I am kinda a all rounder. | Apr 20 13:48 |
| oiaohm | This down turn is an annoyance. | Apr 20 13:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/8… ” Apple netbooks manufactured by Foxconn rumoured” | Apr 20 13:48 |
| schestowitz | Data recovery can’t be offshored | Apr 20 13:49 |
| schestowitz | “What Microsoft calls a “release candidate” is what everyone else calls a “beta”.” | Apr 20 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft seems to be rushing out a product that can’t be ready this year | Apr 20 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Vista SP2 (aka Vista7) | Apr 20 13:50 |
| tacone | they have to change name. | Apr 20 13:50 |
| tacone | in a hurry | Apr 20 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Micro-soft? | Apr 20 13:51 |
| tacone | vista => w7. | Apr 20 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Big problem of this downturn are companies that are not all rounders. | Apr 20 13:52 |
| schestowitz | http://computershopper.com/s… | Apr 20 13:52 |
| tacone | also they have to provide an excuse for a new version. (i.e. the toolbar) | Apr 20 13:52 |
| schestowitz | tacone: Mojav7 | Apr 20 13:52 |
| tacone | i’m starting to think mark shuttleworth liking w7 was just a bluff | Apr 20 13:53 |
| schestowitz | kentma: BT wins Starbucks Wi-Fi deal < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009… > | Apr 20 13:53 |
| schestowitz | tacone: nope | Apr 20 13:53 |
| schestowitz | it was Gavin Clarke | Apr 20 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Pathetic troll | Apr 20 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft er in El Reg IIRC | Apr 20 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Unless it came from more sources | Apr 20 13:53 |
| schestowitz | They take words out of context | Apr 20 13:53 |
| schestowitz | See more recent interview | Apr 20 13:53 |
| tacone | i guess he said for real. | Apr 20 13:53 |
| schestowitz | I’ll find it | Apr 20 13:53 |
| tacone | no, it’s ok. | Apr 20 13:54 |
| schestowitz | tacone: like Gates aid Vista Sucks | Apr 20 13:54 |
| tacone | i’m going out in a few moments. | Apr 20 13:54 |
| tacone | yeah, but gates know that vista sucks. | Apr 20 13:54 |
| tacone |  |
Apr 20 13:54 |
| kentma | schestowitz: one wonders why T-mobile lost the deal. | Apr 20 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates says “Vista Sucks” < http://www.youtube.com/watc… > | Apr 20 13:54 |
| kentma | still, I prefer coffee cost-a-lot |
Apr 20 13:54 |
| schestowitz | That was the headline Gizmodo used, IIRC | Apr 20 13:55 |
| schestowitz | This video is from [h]omer | Apr 20 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Shuttleworth: Windows 7 an Opportunity for Linux < http://www.internetnews.com/hardware/articl… > From a week ago | Apr 20 13:55 |
| schestowitz | See? | Apr 20 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Shuttleworth has a hardon for Mac OS X, not Vista7 | Apr 20 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Now *that* is an issue | Apr 20 13:56 |
| schestowitz | He’s deceived by Sugar-coated BSD | Apr 20 13:56 |
| schestowitz | BSOD/BS | Apr 20 13:56 |
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| oiaohm | MS is feeling the clock ticking. | Apr 20 14:00 |
| oiaohm | If they cannot get the price of OS’s up they are in trouble. | Apr 20 14:00 |
| oiaohm | Windows 7 a flop. MS could have big share holder problems. | Apr 20 14:01 |
| schestowitz | I’m waiting to see MSFT’s reaction to buy(ORCL,JAVA/SUNW). If Microsoft hater it, then it\’s good for Linux. | Apr 20 14:02 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: daemonfc gave us some more evidence | Apr 20 14:02 |
| schestowitz | As you may recall, Windows Vista7 hype is dead | Apr 20 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Based on last week’s new | Apr 20 14:02 |
| schestowitz | *news | Apr 20 14:02 |
| schestowitz | From 15 or so posts in the week beforehand there was a decline to about 5 last week | Apr 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it in IRC | Apr 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz | it’s like a Google Trend thing — but applies to news volume, not queries | Apr 20 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Vista has been wiped off the headlines since PDC 2008 | Apr 20 14:04 |
| oiaohm | MSFT reaction most likely not be much. | Apr 20 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Thinking MS requires Orcale to be good terms with them so they sell servers. | Apr 20 14:04 |
| schestowitz | JG Ballard just passed away: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/0… | Apr 20 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Think about it if Orcale went all out with a marketing compain anti-MS how much damage could they do. | Apr 20 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Orcale is trusted. | Apr 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: Oracle deploys on Linux 80% of the time (2006 figures, IIRC) and maybe 90% at this stage, as seen recently | Apr 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | They release their crown jewel DB to Linux first, Windows later | Apr 20 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Oracle recommend Linux. | Apr 20 14:05 |
| schestowitz | The Oracle situation is probablty better for Linux than it would have been otherwise. | Apr 20 14:06 |
| oiaohm | They don’t fully attack. Last time MS made that mistake of wake sleeping dragon Oracle was in 1997 | Apr 20 14:06 |
| oiaohm | MS is not in as strong location now. | Apr 20 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Really I do hope someone at MS has forgot. | Apr 20 14:07 |
| oiaohm | I would love to see Oracle go after blood out of MS again. | Apr 20 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Old video of Oracle’s CEO on Microsoft: http://boycottnovell.com/2007/0… | Apr 20 14:08 |
| oiaohm | Oracle deciding to hammer MS would be savage. | Apr 20 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Problem for MS it would be all facts. | Apr 20 14:09 |
| schestowitz | What do you mean by “all facts”? | Apr 20 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Oracle CEO shows they still have teeth. Just does not send in the marketing department. | Apr 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is actually more fearful of IBM | Apr 20 14:10 |
| schestowitz | What would be the IBM (Symphony) relationship with Oracle (OOo) and Novell (Go-OOXML) | Apr 20 14:11 |
| oiaohm | There are enough defects in Windows Oracle finds all the time to attack MS with. | Apr 20 14:11 |
| oiaohm | IBM and Oracle have quite a good relationship | Apr 20 14:11 |
| schestowitz | “Mark_Antony @schestowitz from a propoganda perspective the MySQL thing works, but how sympathetic will Oracle *actually* be to other DBs?” | Apr 20 14:11 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they do? | Apr 20 14:11 |
| schestowitz | No evidence that I saq… | Apr 20 14:11 |
| schestowitz | *saw | Apr 20 14:12 |
| schestowitz | IBM deploys Oracle too? It has its own variety | Apr 20 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Join supply contracts. | Apr 20 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Oracle provide OS and database Ibm provide the hardware. | Apr 20 14:12 |
| schestowitz | But IBM has its own proprietary DBs | Apr 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Cisco has Postpth now BTW | Apr 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Fighting against Excahnge | Apr 20 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Also with AIX support in Oracle. | Apr 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Oh yeah… | Apr 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Does Oracle deploy much on UNIX at all? | Apr 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | What about Solaris? | Apr 20 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Well, obviously | Apr 20 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Sun used to have no DB | Apr 20 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Solarias AIX what ever HP version of Unix is. | Apr 20 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Basically most Unix’s. | Apr 20 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Oracle has not been seen as a competitor. | Apr 20 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Oracle is not going to be stupid with Solarias. | Apr 20 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Ah! Smell the freedom: Tory terror police were ‘fishing’ for Liberty < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… > | Apr 20 14:15 |
| schestowitz | What about h/w, oiaohm | Apr 20 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Will they keep SPARC alive? | Apr 20 14:16 |
| schestowitz | We need the Free chips | Apr 20 14:16 |
| oiaohm | That is the ? mark | Apr 20 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Even as proof of concept or starting point | Apr 20 14:16 |
| oiaohm | So far they say they will. | Apr 20 14:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: didn’t see it | Apr 20 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Sparc have been great at particular workloads. | Apr 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | What about small devices | Apr 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Storgae.. | Apr 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Oracle in storage… | Apr 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | And | Apr 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait! | Apr 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Sun patents go to OIN now. | Apr 20 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Apr 20 14:17 |
| schestowitz | That’s great | Apr 20 14:18 |
| oiaohm | OIN now becomes scary. | Apr 20 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Well, kind of like the IV of Linux | Apr 20 14:18 |
| trmanco | ah crap | Apr 20 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has its share of trolls too | Apr 20 14:18 |
| trmanco | oracle buying Sun? | Apr 20 14:18 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: yes | Apr 20 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Rember Sun has patents on shipping container servers. | Apr 20 14:18 |
| schestowitz | Who would you rather see buy them? | Apr 20 14:19 |
| trmanco | there goes one of my favorite companies down  |
Apr 20 14:19 |
| oiaohm | So Oracle could sue MS over there new datacenter in construction. | Apr 20 14:19 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Ian Murdock | Apr 20 14:19 |
| trmanco | and mysql | Apr 20 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Oracle employee | Apr 20 14:19 |
| trmanco | mysql should have never been bought buy sun | Apr 20 14:19 |
| trmanco | by* | Apr 20 14:19 |
| oiaohm | mysql under Oracle should be ok. | Apr 20 14:19 |
| schestowitz | Debian founder becomes Oracle senior…. now, *there’s* something to think about. | Apr 20 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Oracle was one of the first members of the Linux foundation. | Apr 20 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I can now shout at webmink when Ellison says the darnest things |
Apr 20 14:20 |
| trmanco | I just hope this brings benefits to the foss community that’s all | Apr 20 14:20 |
| oiaohm | So debian founder there is not strange. | Apr 20 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Oracle taking over sleepy cat did not harm trmanco | Apr 20 14:21 |
| oiaohm | I don’t see this time will be any different. | Apr 20 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Only this time its larger. | Apr 20 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Sleepy Cat was bad | Apr 20 14:21 |
| schestowitz | The founder quit | Apr 20 14:21 |
| trmanco | what was sleepy cat? | Apr 20 14:21 |
| oiaohm | With OpenOffice Oracle will be in the location to do what MS does 100 percent intergration. | Apr 20 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Started Cloudera | Apr 20 14:21 |
| trmanco | never heard of such company before | Apr 20 14:22 |
| schestowitz | And he left in anger, AFAIK | Apr 20 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Others followed him | Apr 20 14:22 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: it’s new | Apr 20 14:22 |
| oiaohm | http://www.oracle.com/technol… << sleepy cat was the producer of this. | Apr 20 14:22 |
| schestowitz | It has some good employees in it. I think Diane Green is an advisor there too (Microsoft and its Joe Tucci0lef mafia threw her out) | Apr 20 14:22 |
| schestowitz | *Tucci-led | Apr 20 14:23 |
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| oiaohm | Hostile take over. | Apr 20 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Diana/Dianne? I can’t recall this, ever. | Apr 20 14:23 |
| oiaohm | But really berkeley db never looked back. | Apr 20 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Tim Bray works for Oracle now. Will Oracle do more Ruby? | Apr 20 14:24 |
| trmanco | interesting | Apr 20 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Just expect a lot of the programs to end up with Oracle stuck on there name. | Apr 20 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Open Office is going to be wrong. | Apr 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | There was speculation about Oracle buying Zend (PHP) | Apr 20 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Oracle OpenOffice.org now OOOO | Apr 20 14:25 |
| trmanco | Oracle Office | Apr 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Maybe IBM will do it | Apr 20 14:25 |
| trmanco | ha | Apr 20 14:25 |
| trmanco | maybe they will finally improve that database program | Apr 20 14:25 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 20 14:25 |
| trmanco | who knows | Apr 20 14:26 |
| schestowitz | OOOOh noes!!1 | Apr 20 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Aquirement of Zend would complete most of there stack. | Apr 20 14:26 |
| trmanco | oh crap, Zend, no way | Apr 20 14:26 |
| *schestowitz needs to download OOOO30 | Apr 20 14:26 | |
| trmanco | LOL | Apr 20 14:26 |
| Omar87 | Well, if OOO went wrong, what else will we be using as an alternative to MS Office? | Apr 20 14:26 |
| trmanco | I still have the sun logo on mine | Apr 20 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Still have 2.4 installed. I never use it | Apr 20 14:26 |
| trmanco | I have 3.0.1 | Apr 20 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Omar87: Koffice is slowly forming up as plan B. | Apr 20 14:27 |
| schestowitz | OOOO31 to be out later this month and replace OOOO30. So advocacy of OpenOffice is now Oracle marketing. Eeeek. | Apr 20 14:28 |
| oiaohm | That is something Oracle is great at. Marketing. | Apr 20 14:28 |
| Omar87 | oiaohm: Yeah, but: a)by the time Koffice becomes as good many people will get sick of Linux because it has no good alternative. b)Koffice is designed specifically for KDE. | Apr 20 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Brand power | Apr 20 14:28 |
| schestowitz | Oracle has very strong brand, like Apple and Cisco | Apr 20 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Google’s pretty good too | Apr 20 14:29 |
| _boo_ | what’s so pretty in google? | Apr 20 14:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft — from the people who brought you… Zune, Vista, and Red Rings of Death | Apr 20 14:29 |
| schestowitz | _boo_: people love Google (many do) | Apr 20 14:29 |
| _boo_ | what’s red rings of death? | Apr 20 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Koffice is designed for KDE and KDE is going cross platform. | Apr 20 14:30 |
| _boo_ | i don’t love google but i use it | Apr 20 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Google is perceived as an information-giving friend, free of chanrge | Apr 20 14:30 |
| schestowitz | Same with Wikipedia and Mozilla | Apr 20 14:30 |
| schestowitz | People LOVE Wikipedia and Mozilla | Apr 20 14:30 |
| _boo_ | oh yeah, it’s also info collecting friend | Apr 20 14:30 |
| _boo_ | that’s the charge | Apr 20 14:30 |
| schestowitz | _boo_: sheesh. That’s the secret |
Apr 20 14:30 |
| _boo_ |  |
Apr 20 14:30 |
| Omar87 | Guys, can you please stop this extremism? We can’t make everything 10000% free, and neither is that a good thing either. | Apr 20 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Support costs. | Apr 20 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Oracle says it will carry on with the h/w | Apr 20 14:31 |
| oiaohm | That is never going to be free. | Apr 20 14:31 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: any proof? | Apr 20 14:31 |
| schestowitz | Like a link? | Apr 20 14:31 |
| _boo_ | Omar87, of course, but this info that google collects doesn’t allow you to make any terroristic act | Apr 20 14:31 |
| _boo_ | you can’t plan terrorism with google, gmail and chrome | Apr 20 14:32 |
| Omar87 | _boo_: So? | Apr 20 14:32 |
| _boo_ | and googledocs | Apr 20 14:32 |
| _boo_ | Omar87, ’cause it’s already terrorism | Apr 20 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Ask brings back butler Jeeves < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/tech… > not even a butler can save them. | Apr 20 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Oracle as not said either way yet schestowitz | Apr 20 14:33 |
| schestowitz | _boo_: googledocs? | Apr 20 14:33 |
| schestowitz | What for? Investory? | Apr 20 14:33 |
| oiaohm | It is also why give up a profit marking department schestowitz | Apr 20 14:33 |
| _boo_ | oh yeah | Apr 20 14:33 |
| schestowitz | “dynmaite.. check” | Apr 20 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe spreadsheets material | Apr 20 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Actaully, this is interwetsing | Apr 20 14:34 |
| _boo_ | schestowitz i don’t remember the exact name ’cause i used it once | Apr 20 14:34 |
| schestowitz | Some people download manuals on building bombs | Apr 20 14:34 |
| schestowitz | With Google tracking use it can see who sends and views which documents | Apr 20 14:34 |
| schestowitz | No need for HTTP or E-mail | Apr 20 14:34 |
| _boo_ | you see, they wanted to make a bomb | Apr 20 14:34 |
| _boo_ | but google knows dat | Apr 20 14:35 |
| schestowitz | “Ohhhhhhhhh… and he LOVES Big Google…” | Apr 20 14:35 |
| _boo_ | you can’t now freely make a bomb | Apr 20 14:35 |
| _boo_ | to explode m$ | Apr 20 14:35 |
| oiaohm | What do you mean cannot make a freely bomb. | Apr 20 14:35 |
| _boo_ | ’cause you use google | Apr 20 14:35 |
| oiaohm | You can make a shock wave device. | Apr 20 14:35 |
| _boo_ | yeah, free as in “free bomb” | Apr 20 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Will not kill but scare the crap out of people. | Apr 20 14:36 |
| _boo_ | +shipping free of charge | Apr 20 14:36 |
| _boo_ | i took a week of holidays to put my brains together | Apr 20 14:36 |
| oiaohm | Over the years lots of Open source person have been picked up by MS. | Apr 20 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Glyn Moody with a detailed analysis of what OracSun means to FOSS: http://www.computerworlduk.com/commun… | Apr 20 14:37 |
| _boo_ | that’s why i wanna build a bomb | Apr 20 14:37 |
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| schestowitz | IBM Buying Sun Would Be Great News For Linux, Java, and Open Office a < http://daveshields.wordpress.com/2009/0… > (from @daveshields) | Apr 20 14:38 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 20 14:39 |
| schestowitz | I think it’s an IBM employee who wrote it | Apr 20 14:39 |
| _boo_ | oracle should buy ibm | Apr 20 14:40 |
| _boo_ | for no sane reason | Apr 20 14:40 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 20 14:40 |
| _boo_ | but i’m on vacation | Apr 20 14:40 |
| MinceR | oracle should by ibm, microsoft and apple | Apr 20 14:40 |
| MinceR | s/by/buy/ | Apr 20 14:40 |
| _boo_ | so it’s okay | Apr 20 14:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah, why have competition | Apr 20 14:41 |
| MinceR | |
Apr 20 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Let’s drive Pada, too | Apr 20 14:41 |
| schestowitz | *Lada | Apr 20 14:41 |
| MinceR | why have competition like m$ and apple? | Apr 20 14:41 |
| MinceR | someone should buy and stop them | Apr 20 14:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: to destory one another | Apr 20 14:41 |
| _boo_ | don’t ever buy lada | Apr 20 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Like US and USSR | Apr 20 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Eventually they disarm | Apr 20 14:41 |
| _boo_ | i already got 1 | Apr 20 14:41 |
| schestowitz | And realise that a nation called China is running rounds with low-cost competition | Apr 20 14:42 |
| MinceR | well, they don’t seem to be destroying each other | Apr 20 14:42 |
| schestowitz | A bit liek FOSS | Apr 20 14:42 |
| schestowitz | And Microsoft is like the Soviwett Empire | Apr 20 14:42 |
| MinceR | both are owned by companies | Apr 20 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Bit but rather poor | Apr 20 14:42 |
| _boo_ | russia will be second china in 30 years | Apr 20 14:42 |
| schestowitz | And people outside overestimate its power | Apr 20 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Like the US did | Apr 20 14:42 |
| MinceR | US is owned by companies like m$ and recording companies | Apr 20 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Yes it bad news or good new for IBM. | Apr 20 14:42 |
| MinceR | russia is owned by putin :> | Apr 20 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is not omnipotent | Apr 20 14:42 |
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| _boo_ | and then they procreate | Apr 20 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Neither was the Soviet Union | Apr 20 14:42 |
| oiaohm | IBM already has its own fork of OpenOffice. | Apr 20 14:42 |
| schestowitz | It collapse | Apr 20 14:42 |
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| schestowitz | Apple is like the US… living in fantasies | Apr 20 14:43 |
| _boo_ | russia is owned by jews | Apr 20 14:43 |
| _boo_ | as usa | Apr 20 14:43 |
| schestowitz | Washington and Apple thriving in selling people selusions | Apr 20 14:43 |
| schestowitz | *delusions | Apr 20 14:43 |
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| _boo_ | and part of europe | Apr 20 14:43 |
| oiaohm | So really SUN and IBM merging would have been bad for Open Office. | Apr 20 14:43 |
| _boo_ | merging is akways bad 4 smth | Apr 20 14:44 |
| schestowitz | less choice | Apr 20 14:45 |
| _boo_ | but don’t touch oo! | Apr 20 14:45 |
| schestowitz | _boo_: power is not an ethnic thing | Apr 20 14:45 |
| _boo_ | read their thora, schestowitz | Apr 20 14:46 |
| _boo_ | in fact you should be killed for reading it | Apr 20 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. | Apr 20 14:46 |
| _boo_ | as written in there | Apr 20 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Well, I don’t care for religions | Apr 20 14:46 |
| _boo_ | but you could read it still | Apr 20 14:46 |
| schestowitz | A lot of religious writings are intolerant by design | Apr 20 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Literature of hate | Apr 20 14:46 |
| _boo_ | i don’t share tolerant views | Apr 20 14:47 |
| schestowitz | What do you mean? | Apr 20 14:47 |
| _boo_ | to tolerate means to accept unnecessary pain | Apr 20 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Depends whose. | Apr 20 14:47 |
| _boo_ | nope, it’s by def | Apr 20 14:47 |
| schestowitz | I think ethics need to be taugfht | Apr 20 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Not the whole patriotic/expansionist doctrine | Apr 20 14:47 |
| _boo_ | you can’t just put 1m of black people to white people and tell them: TOLERATE | Apr 20 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Just watch US and EU schools and how they preach for making money and many kids | Apr 20 14:48 |
| _boo_ | while supporting black | Apr 20 14:48 |
| schestowitz | That’s a recipe for destruction of the human race | Apr 20 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Now what would be scary is of Orcale aquires IBM next. | Apr 20 14:48 |
| _boo_ | no | Apr 20 14:48 |
| _boo_ | for destruction of white race | Apr 20 14:48 |
| schestowitz | It assumes convenienctly that the world is an infinite garbage sump | Apr 20 14:48 |
| schestowitz | And that some wonderman up in the sky will take care of everything despite advisaries | Apr 20 14:48 |
| _boo_ | it’s just ’cause jews can’t have healthy babies with white people | Apr 20 14:48 |
| _boo_ | of european type | Apr 20 14:49 |
| _boo_ | that’s why borders are open to any south nationalities | Apr 20 14:49 |
| _boo_ | just to make white inexistant | Apr 20 14:49 |
| schestowitz | The issue of borders is another thing | Apr 20 14:49 |
| _boo_ | it’s ALL connected | Apr 20 14:49 |
| schestowitz | It’s like creating exclusionary clubs | Apr 20 14:49 |
| _boo_ | no | Apr 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | And the forces usually encourage occupation and suppression of others | Apr 20 14:50 |
| _boo_ | there was a nationality that lived on some region | Apr 20 14:50 |
| _boo_ | if nationality fails to defend itself in every case | Apr 20 14:50 |
| _boo_ | it vanishes | Apr 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | _boo_: the populations that expand the most are not the ones you mention | Apr 20 14:50 |
| _boo_ | they can’t just merge in years | Apr 20 14:50 |
| schestowitz | In fact, the largest populations are in the east | Apr 20 14:50 |
| _boo_ | yeah | Apr 20 14:51 |
| _boo_ | but they are different thing | Apr 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | And China is probably quite as intolerant in other ways. But they are run differently | Apr 20 14:51 |
| _boo_ | it’s just enough to open borders and tomorrow you’re no more | Apr 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | It’s better to engage and integrate | Apr 20 14:51 |
| _boo_ | no | Apr 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | The antisocial types are the issuem IMHO | Apr 20 14:51 |
| _boo_ | china is aggressive | Apr 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Sure | Apr 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | many nations are | Apr 20 14:51 |
| schestowitz | The British too used to occupy many coutnries | Apr 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | The United States has been doing that for over 100 years | Apr 20 14:52 |
| _boo_ | i gotta take a pie | Apr 20 14:52 |
| _boo_ | to drink beer properly | Apr 20 14:52 |
| oiaohm | So did the Britsh for about 100 years. | Apr 20 14:52 |
| _boo_ | united states is misaprehension | Apr 20 14:52 |
| schestowitz | From north Amerian to South American and other areas where it now has over 1000 military bases (in foreign soil) | Apr 20 14:52 |
| _boo_ | it’s that mix | Apr 20 14:53 |
| _boo_ | that shows the world how to mix | Apr 20 14:53 |
| oiaohm | USA has the most numbers of bases not on there soil. | Apr 20 14:53 |
| _boo_ | and that mix stinks | Apr 20 14:53 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: its military budget is stunning, too | Apr 20 14:53 |
| schestowitz | They should provide welfare, less for military | Apr 20 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Australian mil has never kept a base where ever it been. | Apr 20 14:53 |
| _boo_ | what could you expect out of nation of murderers, thiefs and stuff… | Apr 20 14:53 |
| schestowitz | There’s poverty there | Apr 20 14:53 |
| oiaohm | All left behind Australian bases get taken over by local forces. | Apr 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Shoting rah rah rah for the military is no substitute for things like healthcare | Apr 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | *Souting | Apr 20 14:54 |
| *_boo_ piemilking | Apr 20 14:54 | |
| trmanco | Oracle’s HQ is beautiful | Apr 20 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Australia even has a few USA bases. | Apr 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | UK has many | Apr 20 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Disguised as RAF bases | Apr 20 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Some of them at least | Apr 20 14:55 |
| _boo_ | usa is completely driven by jews | Apr 20 14:57 |
| _boo_ | and every president nowadays is part of masonic order | Apr 20 14:57 |
| _boo_ | *almost any | Apr 20 14:58 |
| _boo_ | all of them got masonic initiation | Apr 20 14:59 |
| _boo_ | and they are not even elite in masonry | Apr 20 15:00 |
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| trmanco | “Content Server Request Failed | Apr 20 15:02 |
| trmanco | Server is too busy to handle request. “ | Apr 20 15:02 |
| trmanco | wow | Apr 20 15:03 |
| trmanco | http://www.oracle.com/us/corpora… | Apr 20 15:03 |
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| _boo_ | it’s not opening… i’m too much into torrents | Apr 20 15:05 |
| trmanco | lol | Apr 20 15:05 |
| _boo_ | yeah, content server error | Apr 20 15:06 |
| _boo_ | but google obviously cached it | Apr 20 15:06 |
| trmanco | What’s new in Tomboy 0.14.1 | Apr 20 15:07 |
| trmanco | ========================= ========================= | Apr 20 15:07 |
| trmanco | Major changes in Tomboy 0.14.x series include the following: | Apr 20 15:07 |
| trmanco | * Tomboy is now fully supported on Windows and Mac OS X | Apr 20 15:07 |
| trmanco | great | Apr 20 15:07 |
| trmanco | (not) | Apr 20 15:07 |
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| trmanco | wow | Apr 20 15:11 |
| trmanco | chanserv died | Apr 20 15:11 |
| _boo_ | it should die more ofte | Apr 20 15:13 |
| _boo_ | n | Apr 20 15:13 |
| _boo_ | a spying user… | Apr 20 15:13 |
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| _boo_ | even op | Apr 20 15:14 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: Tomboy might be replaceable | Apr 20 15:14 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, I hope so | Apr 20 15:14 |
| trmanco | Gnote ftw, it’s already replaceable | Apr 20 15:15 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: there was a global announcement | Apr 20 15:15 |
| schestowitz | It wasn’t posted here | Apr 20 15:15 |
| schestowitz | from #gnu: “-christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, I’m going to need to take services down for a few minutes — this is to let you know that the network will be without Chan, Nick, MemoServ et al for the next few minutes. They’ll be back up again soon and apologies for the inconvenience.” | Apr 20 15:16 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: see links in COLA. KDE 4.2 shapes up. MinceR doesn’t feel ready for it, though | Apr 20 15:16 |
| trmanco | hehe | Apr 20 15:16 |
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| _boo_ | i don’t even feel like installin kde ova debian at home | Apr 20 15:17 |
| _boo_ | even though i disliked gnome in mandriva | Apr 20 15:17 |
| schestowitz | Which version did you try? | Apr 20 15:18 |
| _boo_ | 3.5.10, 4.2.2 | Apr 20 15:18 |
| _boo_ | 4.2.1 in windows | Apr 20 15:18 |
| _boo_ | gnome? idk | Apr 20 15:18 |
| schestowitz | That’s experimental | Apr 20 15:18 |
| _boo_ | debian is 5.0.1 | Apr 20 15:18 |
| _boo_ | kde is always experimental | Apr 20 15:19 |
| _boo_ | it will be experimental for 1-2 years more i think | Apr 20 15:20 |
| _boo_ | until it stabilizes | Apr 20 15:20 |
| _boo_ | and becomes sane enough | Apr 20 15:20 |
| _boo_ | or completely vistuglish | Apr 20 15:20 |
| trmanco | wow | Apr 20 15:21 |
| trmanco | this is still supported: | Apr 20 15:21 |
| trmanco | “Hello, | Apr 20 15:21 |
| trmanco | As there have been a few minor fixes pending for a while now, I thought | Apr 20 15:21 |
| trmanco | it was time to release 2.4.37.1. Most of these fixes concern minor | Apr 20 15:21 |
| trmanco | security issues which have been backported from 2.6 (mostly local DoSes). | Apr 20 15:21 |
| trmanco | In my opinion, only people with local users might consider upgrading, if | Apr 20 15:21 |
| trmanco | those people still exist ! | Apr 20 15:21 |
| trmanco | “ | Apr 20 15:21 |
| _boo_ | lol | Apr 20 15:22 |
| schestowitz | hehe. | Apr 20 15:22 |
| _boo_ | why debian is not using latest stable kernel? | Apr 20 15:22 |
| schestowitz | I ran 2.4. until 2007. | Apr 20 15:22 |
| _boo_ | i ran winxp 32bit until last summber | Apr 20 15:23 |
| _boo_ | summer | Apr 20 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Last bummer |
Apr 20 15:23 |
| _boo_ | no, until a year ago | Apr 20 15:23 |
| _boo_ | in fact i’m about 15 years old in linux | Apr 20 15:23 |
| _boo_ | 15 months | Apr 20 15:23 |
| _boo_ | XD | Apr 20 15:23 |
| _boo_ | 15 years… that could make me a pro | Apr 20 15:24 |
| schestowitz | 15 -> 1994 | Apr 20 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Some people can say that about their desktop | Apr 20 15:24 |
| _boo_ | by 1994 i had zx80 | Apr 20 15:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm since 1995 iirc | Apr 20 15:25 |
| _boo_ | with BASIC | Apr 20 15:25 |
| _boo_ | in 96 or 97 it was 80286 | Apr 20 15:26 |
| _boo_ | not for linux | Apr 20 15:26 |
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| schestowitz | _boo_: now it’s an age of Internet, so code will be shared more and Microsoft will be left out | Apr 20 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Had Microsoft been smart like IBM in 1998 and Oracle in 1999 (IIRC), it would have found a way to mingle with FOSS somehow or exploit it. Instead it attacked it | Apr 20 15:35 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft capitalised on the network effect and already had a well-earned reputation of crime and racketeering, but not even network effect will endure now that it makes more enemies in FOSS. | Apr 20 15:35 |
| schestowitz | I care more about MSFT’s results on Thursday than I care about Ubuntu 9.04 being released | Apr 20 15:36 |
| trmanco | haha | Apr 20 15:36 |
| trmanco | you really hate that company don’t you |
Apr 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft will need to lay out a plan and if TomTom-type lawsuits are the plan, then investors should bail out | Apr 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz | SCO had done the same thing | Apr 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: w/o ms, linux will thrive | Apr 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Brazilians, Germans, Chinese, Russians, Norwegians, etc. don’t care about Macs so much | Apr 20 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Some don’t even have access to them | Apr 20 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Mac is a US phenomenon mostly and it spread to some other rich countries including Japan | Apr 20 15:38 |
| schestowitz | But Mac/Apple PCs are a minority in the world | Apr 20 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Less than 5% of the hardware | Apr 20 15:38 |
| _boo_ | schestowitz, hawky animals always attack someone that don’t answer with aggression | Apr 20 15:38 |
| _boo_ | foss is humanic | Apr 20 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Ha |
Apr 20 15:39 |
| schestowitz | So if we bark back and expose them it’ll make them more afraid to do stupid things like invade committees, bribe people, and shove their employees into competitors….? | Apr 20 15:40 |
| _boo_ | at least you will descend to the animal level in this case | Apr 20 15:42 |
| _boo_ | and they will start to understand you | Apr 20 15:42 |
| _boo_ | and if you bite them hard enough then they would try to act like they’re above attacking ya or even fear | Apr 20 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Unrest across Europe: Swedes Demonstrate Against Pirate Bay Verdict < http://torrentfreak.com/swedes-de… > | Apr 20 15:45 |
| _boo_ | nice | Apr 20 15:45 |
| schestowitz | _boo_: let me find a video I was sent on Fridat,. | Apr 20 15:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.flixxy.com/game-… high-res video | Apr 20 15:46 |
| MinceR | _boo_: nope, kde 3.5.8 .. 3.5.10 is not experimental | Apr 20 15:46 |
| MinceR | it’s stable, therefore it’s deprecated. :> | Apr 20 15:46 |
| schestowitz |  |
Apr 20 15:46 |
| _boo_ | i told ya | Apr 20 15:46 |
| _boo_ | kde is always experimental | Apr 20 15:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: u used Kubuntu with kde 4.2 right? | Apr 20 15:46 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 20 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Kubuntu is not as good as Mandriva for KDE, I hear | Apr 20 15:46 |
| MinceR | my main complaint is that plasma is unstable and it eats screen space like candy | Apr 20 15:47 |
| MinceR | also, it isn’t quite configurable | Apr 20 15:47 |
| schestowitz | I get the impression that Canonical does not put emphasis or effort into it, but it’s the Buntu brand, so people drink it | Apr 20 15:47 |
| schestowitz | madnriva did a stunning job integrating gtk and Qt+kde 3.5 | Apr 20 15:47 |
| schestowitz | And it has admin tools that are priceless | Apr 20 15:47 |
| schestowitz | It’s like the dream OS, to me at least | Apr 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Network tools out of the box too… then again, they include Flash and nvidia binary drivers out of the box too | Apr 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz | I showed it to my sister.. Metisse too | Apr 20 15:48 |
| schestowitz | They think that computers are TellytubbyXP | Apr 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz | That’s what they are taught and that’s why Microsoft carefully controls exposures to Linux | Apr 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Like, Microsoft virtually forbids having PCs with Linux on display | Apr 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Imagine customers seeing 3D Linux desktops that are better priced than xp/Vista counterparts. | Apr 20 15:50 |
| schestowitz | That would change how people perceive computers (Mac vs PC) | Apr 20 15:50 |
| _boo_ | schestowitz, bears are naturally afraid of cats | Apr 20 15:51 |
| _boo_ | they just run away at sight | Apr 20 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Egypt lifts its unenforceable ban on GPS < http://www.ogleearth.com/2009/… > | Apr 20 15:51 |
| schestowitz | _boo_: big cats | Apr 20 15:52 |
| schestowitz | That was a sub | Apr 20 15:52 |
| schestowitz | *cub | Apr 20 15:52 |
| _boo_ | i will show you real video | Apr 20 15:52 |
| _boo_ | cats are actually kings of wildlife | Apr 20 15:53 |
| schestowitz | “Set up a torrent tracker, get fined, go to jail. Join a bank, destroy the economy, profit.” http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org… | Apr 20 15:56 |
| balzac | lart | Apr 20 15:57 |
| schestowitz | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_p… (Smear row ‘over’ says Mandelson). They still deny the seriousness of the economic situation, calling it “recession”. That’s propaganda. | Apr 20 15:58 |
| schestowitz | balzac: scroll up a bit | Apr 20 15:58 |
| schestowitz | I posted a link to Kucinich endorsement. | Apr 20 15:59 |
| balzac | ok | Apr 20 16:00 |
| schestowitz | “Vienna’s city council has been using GNU/Linux [...] Ubuntu-based software distribution called Wienux.” and open source for years and has developed its own | Apr 20 16:01 |
| balzac | I wasn’t able to find that url | Apr 20 16:02 |
| _boo_ | schestowitz, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7M… | Apr 20 16:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.osor.eu/news/at-vie… | Apr 20 16:03 |
| _boo_ | and it’s not even a tiger | Apr 20 16:03 |
| schestowitz | balzac: http://www.youtube.com/watch?… | Apr 20 16:03 |
| schestowitz | _boo_: it’s a cougar. | Apr 20 16:03 |
| _boo_ | yeah, it’s a cat, tigers are more massive and with more stamina | Apr 20 16:04 |
| _boo_ | that poor bear would be just dead | Apr 20 16:04 |
| schestowitz | In pictures: 19th Century China < http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_p… > | Apr 20 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Secret police intelligence was given to E.ON before planned demo < http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr… > | Apr 20 16:09 |
| schestowitz | What a quick world it is when people are arrested for defending the environment | Apr 20 16:09 |
| schestowitz | /quick/sick | Apr 20 16:09 |
| schestowitz | “surfer and one-time dirt-biker stands to reap the lion’s share of a US$388 million (NZ$681 million) damages award from Microsoft” http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/f… | Apr 20 16:11 |
| _boo_ | seems like m$ started the game that it’s unable to win | Apr 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | To Win[dows] | Apr 20 16:13 |
| _boo_ | house md is so funny |
Apr 20 16:14 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: ping | Apr 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I confuse IP Watch what IAM | Apr 20 16:17 |
| zoobab01 | ah? | Apr 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | It’s IAM that seems zealous about patents | Apr 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | IP Watch is better | Apr 20 16:17 |
| zoobab01 | sure | Apr 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | I mailed a little with them | Apr 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | IAM is the annying one | Apr 20 16:17 |
| zoobab01 | IAM is made by patent attorneys | Apr 20 16:17 |
| schestowitz | And now they hide behind a regitration wall | Apr 20 16:17 |
| zoobab01 | sure | Apr 20 16:18 |
| schestowitz | “It is free to view the IAM blog, however you must first register below or login using the “Subscriber login” link above. “ | Apr 20 16:18 |
| schestowitz | I think I insulted IP Watch by calling them maximalists or something | Apr 20 16:18 |
| schestowitz | “part of the IP media group” | Apr 20 16:18 |
| schestowitz | (IAM) | Apr 20 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Internet protocol media? ;-p | Apr 20 16:18 |
| schestowitz | “I can’t help feeling that once again the IP community in Europe is letting itself down by failing to engage effectively with the mainstream media.” | Apr 20 16:19 |
| schestowitz | “IP community…” LOL | Apr 20 16:19 |
| schestowitz | Read: the community of parasites that try to establish a system of consent on monopolies to act as middlemen and piggpyback engineers | Apr 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | IAM: “It’s little wonder that the anti-software patent FFII sought to piggy-back (forgive the pun) the Munich event. “ | Apr 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | me: “It’s little wonder that the anti-science lawyers patent sought to piggy-back (forgive the pun) the pigs and generate profit” | Apr 20 16:20 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-1… points to bad URL (404) | Apr 20 16:21 |
| zoobab01 | ah | Apr 20 16:22 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: change to http://eetimes.eu/uk/216600083 | Apr 20 16:22 |
| *amarsh04 had a quick irc conversation with Bdale Garbee earlier on… glad he had the time for a brief chat | Apr 20 16:23 | |
| MinceR | hm, apple decided they invented the videotelephone in 2007 | Apr 20 16:24 |
| MinceR | (my only link is hungarian: http://index.hu/tech/mobil/2009… ) | Apr 20 16:24 |
| MinceR | i wonder what has nokia, lg, samsung, etc. have to say about that) | Apr 20 16:24 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: what did he say about the server? | Apr 20 16:30 |
| MinceR | s/\)// | Apr 20 16:31 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: here is Microsof telling Intel not to run Linux on their servers: http://boycottnovell.com/2009/01/1… | Apr 20 16:31 |
| schestowitz | MS: “I also have a personal ask that if we do the 64bit work that we get INTEL.COM to be a 64bit ASP.NET sites. “ | Apr 20 16:32 |
| schestowitz | Apple invested worms | Apr 20 16:32 |
| schestowitz | *invented… or invited (think Apple with a hole in it) | Apr 20 16:33 |
| MinceR | |
Apr 20 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Watch the picture | Apr 20 16:33 |
| schestowitz | The iPhones are presented like effigies on sticks | Apr 20 16:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe that’s why they call it jesusphone in El Reg | Apr 20 16:33 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 20 16:33 |
| MinceR | i think they call it jesusphone because of all the hype that surrounds it | Apr 20 16:34 |
| MinceR | and unreasonable love | Apr 20 16:34 |
| schestowitz | iPhone is an insult to Jesus | Apr 20 16:42 |
| schestowitz | CIA waterboarded individual suspects up to 183 times < http://www.boingboing.net/2009/04/… > That’s now what the founding fathers wanted. | Apr 20 16:45 |
| schestowitz | FBI controls MS Windows: Documents: FBI Spyware Has Been Snaring Extortionists, Hackers for Years < http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke… > | Apr 20 16:47 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: nice SSP post | Apr 20 16:49 |
| zer0c00l | schestowitz, nice post “ITs a crime that these guys (intel) are running linux” http://boycottnovell.com/2009/0… |
Apr 20 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Music industry sites DDoSed after Pirate Bay verdict < http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/… > | Apr 20 16:50 |
| schestowitz | zer0c00l: yeah, well… as gates said, it’s a “jihad” | Apr 20 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Wait until Melinda and Bill pull out the machete and go out on a wild night in Kirkland | Apr 20 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inqu… “I’ve basically read this same article on 3 sites now and there has been no mention at all about VirtualBox. I know that Oracle and VMWare have been good friends in the past, so I wonder what will happen with this situation now that Oracle owns VirtualBox.” | Apr 20 17:05 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: any comment on this acquisition? | Apr 20 17:05 |
| zoobab01 | what about oracle patent policy? | Apr 20 17:06 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: what policy? |
Apr 20 17:06 |
| zoobab01 | Will Oracle give money to FFII, like MySQL was doing in the past? | Apr 20 17:06 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: they give patents to the OIn umbrella. | Apr 20 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Dell culls UK advisers < http://www.theinquirer.net/inquire… >\ | Apr 20 17:07 |
| zoobab01 | OIN does not work | Apr 20 17:07 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: mysql’s patents page was already extinguished by Sun | Apr 20 17:07 |
| schestowitz | The management of mysql is out the door | Apr 20 17:07 |
| zoobab01 | does not matter | Apr 20 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Mickos, Ax*, Monty.. | Apr 20 17:08 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: OIn said it would retalisate over FAT | Apr 20 17:08 |
| schestowitz | It said within weeks | Apr 20 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Keith told ZDNet | Apr 20 17:08 |
| schestowitz | No word since then | Apr 20 17:08 |
| zoobab01 | http://www.economic-majority.com/te… | Apr 20 17:08 |
| schestowitz | I’d challenge them if nothing happens | Apr 20 17:08 |
| schestowitz | And mock OIn for just taking money from TomTom to achieve nothing, AFAICT |
Apr 20 17:09 |
| zoobab01 | time for an Open Letter to Oracle | Apr 20 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Oracle has just been sued over DBS | Apr 20 17:10 |
| schestowitz | this can include mysql | Apr 20 17:10 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: you do it :-p | Apr 20 17:10 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: does Oracle attack with patents? Examples? | Apr 20 17:10 |
| zoobab01 | the point is to make Oracle answer precise questions | Apr 20 17:11 |
| zoobab01 | Like: Does Oracle embrace the following statement made by the CEO of MySQL AB in 2005: “This is why we support those who work for an abolishment of software patents.” | Apr 20 17:12 |
| schestowitz | ” Also MySQL is open source so they can’t kill it, in fact it’s already been forked by some MySQL developers who left Sun recently.” | Apr 20 17:13 |
| zoobab01 | if you don’t write precise questions, they will spin it | Apr 20 17:13 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: do it in SSP maybe.. | Apr 20 17:14 |
| zoobab01 | I am not the President of the FFII for nothing | Apr 20 17:16 |
| zoobab01 | we have enough people on our press list | Apr 20 17:16 |
| zoobab01 | nearly 2000 subscribers | Apr 20 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Dell Laptops with Ubuntu pre-installed are hard to find < http://www.itrunsonlinux.com/news/56… > | Apr 20 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Is that a full-time job, zoobab01 | Apr 20 17:18 |
| zoobab01 | no | Apr 20 17:20 |
| zoobab01 | not a job at all | Apr 20 17:20 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz… he said they switched servers around a bit and it’s now running apache (presumably on linux) | Apr 20 17:26 |
| amarsh04 | I remember the story you did on ms telling intel not to run linux | Apr 20 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Digg DUMPS Microsoft (and how much Microsoft paid for this PR at the time): http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/20… | Apr 20 17:26 |
| schestowitz | zoobab01: same here. | Apr 20 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Fighting for corruption pays; the opposite rarely does | Apr 20 17:27 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: they do this with other companies. Remember GoDaddy? | Apr 20 17:27 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2009/04/12/… | Apr 20 17:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.ph… “Here’s the press release. So they own Java and Solaris and MySQL, not to mention all the patents Sun pledged to use to defend Red Hat and Ubuntu when Microsoft began patent saber rattling, plus whatever patents Sun had that made Jonathan Schwartz say he had been approached to sue Linux but decided not to” | Apr 20 17:29 |
| schestowitz | I remember that.. | Apr 20 17:29 |
| schestowitz | http://boycottnovell.com/2007/05/16/sun… | Apr 20 17:30 |
| schestowitz | http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_te… “With consumer credit ratings plummeting, more American car owners could soon be driving around with an electronic Big Brother on board.” | Apr 20 17:40 |
| amarsh04 | zoobab01 – roles like you have with FFII have a tremendous responsibility… I don’t know how anyone does it. | Apr 20 17:43 |
| amarsh04 | yes, lots of spin on netcraft numbers schestowitz | Apr 20 17:44 |
| amarsh04 | remember some years back when ms made claims about web server performance and the gnu/linux folk fixed problems that were bottlenecking performance? | Apr 20 17:45 |
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| tessier_ | whee | Apr 20 17:51 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: yes, it was mentioned in BN | Apr 20 17:52 |
| schestowitz | tessier: there is an Asterisk intsllfest | Apr 20 17:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2009/04… | Apr 20 17:52 |
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| trmanco | oh crap | Apr 20 17:55 |
| trmanco | trmanco-desktop gdm[3548]: WARNING: gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error – Restarting :0 | Apr 20 17:55 |
| tessier_ | schestowitz: cool | Apr 20 18:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/M… | Apr 20 18:38 |
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| vida18 | hello | Apr 20 18:48 |
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| schestowitz | I’m gonna have to hack on MediaWiki | Apr 20 18:53 |
| schestowitz | To change RSS header.. | Apr 20 18:53 |
| trmanco | good luck | Apr 20 18:55 |
| schestowitz | It’s not a good idea because of updates | Apr 20 18:56 |
| schestowitz | I might as well just do another thing and catch just new visitors | Apr 20 18:56 |
| zoobab01 | mediawiki sucks a lot | Apr 20 18:59 |
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| schestowitz | zoobab01, trmanco: is this ready to become front page? http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.p… | Apr 20 19:08 |
| MinceR | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/stupid… | Apr 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | It’s mostly for new visitors who just put boycottnovell.com in their Web browser or use Google | Apr 20 19:08 |
| trmanco | schestowitz, some images would be nice | Apr 20 19:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: old news | Apr 20 19:09 |
| schestowitz | The front page is viewed a lot so.. | Apr 20 19:09 |
| schestowitz | trmanco: OK | Apr 20 19:09 |
| trmanco | oh, and if there is anyway to make the columns even that would be nice too | Apr 20 19:10 |
| trmanco | after that, imo, it’s ready | Apr 20 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Even in what sense? | Apr 20 19:17 |
| trmanco | you were doing it right | Apr 20 19:21 |
| trmanco | even at the end of the page | Apr 20 19:21 |
| trmanco | yeah, it’s almost even | Apr 20 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Ah, I see.. | Apr 20 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Well, the Wiki is still messy, but it’s for newcomers mostly | Apr 20 19:25 |
| schestowitz | What was permanent redirect code? | Apr 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz | 301 is temporary | Apr 20 19:28 |
| trmanco | its 301 | Apr 20 19:29 |
| trmanco | 307 is temporary | Apr 20 19:29 |
| trmanco | http://www.w3.org/Protocols… | Apr 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Redirect permanent / http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/ind… | Apr 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I got that wrong | Apr 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/… | Apr 20 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Apr 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz | That didn’t work | Apr 20 19:31 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: you’re doing a redirect …? | Apr 20 19:32 |
| schestowitz | It seems to be matching that whole expresssion: Going to “http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/index…“ | Apr 20 19:32 |
| Balrog | well if you keep the wiki page updated, it’s fine | Apr 20 19:32 |
| schestowitz | Balrog: I’m trying to redict only from “/” | Apr 20 19:33 |
| schestowitz | to the Wiki | Apr 20 19:33 |
| Balrog | then use a .htaccess | Apr 20 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I do | Apr 20 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Redirect permanent / http://boycottnovell.com/wiki/in… | Apr 20 19:33 |
| schestowitz | This does not do it right | Apr 20 19:33 |
| Balrog | like redirect 301 /index.html /wiki/ | Apr 20 19:33 |
| Balrog | ‘redirect 301 /index.html /wiki/’ | Apr 20 19:33 |
| Balrog | that redirects requests for /index.html to /wiki | Apr 20 19:34 |
| Balrog | you probably want ‘redirect 301 / /wiki’ | Apr 20 19:34 |
| Balrog | in your html root | Apr 20 19:34 |
| Balrog | in the .htaccess file | Apr 20 19:34 |
| schestowitz | That’s what I tried | Apr 20 19:34 |
| Balrog | correct permissions? | Apr 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz | I see what’s causing the problem | Apr 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Wait, it’s a WordPress thing | Apr 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz | “RewriteRule . /index.php [L]“ | Apr 20 19:36 |
| Balrog | ah. I run wordpress in subdirectories and use 301 redirects to make it work | Apr 20 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | Maybe I should keep the front page the same | Apr 20 19:39 |
| schestowitz | And then lead new visitors (front page only to the Wiki) | Apr 20 19:39 |
| Balrog | the wiki looks like a good front page | Apr 20 19:40 |
| schestowitz | I’m sure there’s a simple way to achieve what we need. | Apr 20 19:40 |
| schestowitz | I’ll try cpanel (gui) | Apr 20 19:41 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: you’ll have better luck with .htaccess | Apr 20 19:42 |
| schestowitz | It’s no good. It’s catching everything under main dir | Apr 20 19:44 |
| Balrog | hrm. wordpress redir plugin? | Apr 20 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Oops. | Apr 20 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Dman | Apr 20 19:51 |
| schestowitz | I might have to restore from BU | Apr 20 19:51 |
| schestowitz | But no… | Apr 20 19:51 |
| schestowitz | I’ll try from mymyadmin | Apr 20 19:51 |
| schestowitz | I locked myself out of the options by changing settings | Apr 20 19:54 |
| schestowitz | So now I can’t open the settings page | Apr 20 19:54 |
| schestowitz | I’ll hack the DB | Apr 20 19:54 |
| Balrog | argh. Do you have ssh access to the server? | Apr 20 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Assuming I can find it | Apr 20 19:55 |
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| DavidGerard | hello | Apr 20 19:58 |
| DavidGerard | so, you’ve discovered that mod_rewrite is the work of satan. | Apr 20 19:58 |
| DavidGerard | definitely so in the context of mediawiki and trying to run anything else whatsoever on the url. | Apr 20 19:58 |
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| schestowitz | I found it | Apr 20 19:58 |
| schestowitz | I think… | Apr 20 19:58 |
| Balrog | why is mod_rewrite so bad? | Apr 20 19:59 |
| DavidGerard | balrog: because the rewrite rules are *evil*. like building a skyscraper from regexps but worse. | Apr 20 19:59 |
| schestowitz | “Showing rows 0 – 29 (215 total, Query took 0.0078 sec)” | Apr 20 19:59 |
| Balrog | ew. | Apr 20 19:59 |
| Balrog | sounds horrible | Apr 20 19:59 |
| DavidGerard | basically you break your server, then you hack on them until you unbreak your server. | Apr 20 20:00 |
| DavidGerard | at least the java irc works |
Apr 20 20:00 |
| DavidGerard | ahahaa, there’s the css back |
Apr 20 20:00 |
| DavidGerard | now let’s see if i can leave a comment | Apr 20 20:00 |
| schestowitz | OK, I am definitely NOT trying that again | Apr 20 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Enough trouble for one day | Apr 20 20:01 |
| DavidGerard | *cough* still broken! | Apr 20 20:01 |
| Balrog | schestowitz: what did you do wrong this time? | Apr 20 20:01 |
| DavidGerard | go to main page, click on a heading for one of the stories | Apr 20 20:01 |
| schestowitz | How about I stick a big notification at the top of the front page inviting new visitors? | Apr 20 20:01 |
| DavidGerard | that *should* be a link | Apr 20 20:01 |
| DavidGerard | instead, you get a wiki subpage of Main Pabe | Apr 20 20:01 |
| DavidGerard | Page | Apr 20 20:01 |
| schestowitz | At least until I find a workaround? | Apr 20 20:01 |
| DavidGerard | whatever works |
Apr 20 20:01 |
| schestowitz | DavidGerard: maybe cache? | Apr 20 20:02 |
| DavidGerard | see, stuff like this is why we keep config at work in svn … | Apr 20 20:02 |
| DavidGerard | could be | Apr 20 20:02 |
| schestowitz | What is not broken? | Apr 20 20:02 |
| schestowitz | I changed the DB manually | Apr 20 20:02 |
| DavidGerard | the css is showing up now | Apr 20 20:02 |
| schestowitz | To fix the issue | Apr 20 20:02 |
| schestowitz | It’s not server confid | Apr 20 20:02 |
| schestowitz | I messed up wordpress | Apr 20 20:02 |
| schestowitz | So I couldn’t access it to even change it back | Apr 20 20:02 |
| DavidGerard | heee | Apr 20 20:02 |
| DavidGerard | ok, story links appear working now | Apr 20 20:02 |
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