01.08.10
Microsoft’s Home State is Running Out of Money While Microsoft Avoids Paying Tax
Summary: Washington warns that it may go broke within months, which brings back to the table Microsoft’s massive tax dodge (over a billion dollars in this state)
MICROSOFT IS not paying the tax it must pay in Washington, but it has taxpayers pay for a new Microsoft bridge, for example, right there in Washington. This type of behaviour upsets former Microsoft employee Mr. Reifman, who shows that Washington is going broke. From the Seattle Times:
Washington state government is in danger of running out of money if the Legislature fails to act quickly, state Treasurer Jim McIntire says.
“With no improvement in the state’s overall cash position, the entire state treasury could be depleted as soon as September 2010,” McIntire said in a letter sent to the governor and legislative leaders last month.
The Legislature ought to force companies like Microsoft to actually pay taxes. They can start by collecting what Microsoft has avoided paying over the years. Microsoft does not mind if the country goes up in flames as long as Ballmer and his minions continue to hoard cash and enjoy the benefits of potentially-unconstitutional tax exemptions (Gates needn’t pay taxes either because he found loopholes that he is exploiting). There is increasing poverty near Microsoft's campus, including tent cities. This demonstrates the injustice.
As in any situation where the corporations control the press, people hardly get access to this information, which is true. Take EveryBlock for example. A few months ago we showed Microsoft and NBC taking over such an independent site [1, 2] and now we find this update from Joseph Tartakoff:
Hyperlocal news aggregator EveryBlock is making its first big move since being purchased by MSNBC.com over the summer: Visitors to the site will now be able to write up announcements of their own, which will show up along with EveryBlock’s existing automated blurbs which are pulled from local municipal sources and news sites.
Municipal sources and news sites tend to just echo business interests; thus, they rarely speak about the looting of the public and other matters that affect the population at large. We have said more about these media monopolies in the recent posts found below. █
- Reader’s Article: Corporate Media Ownership Shifts
- GE, Microsoft, Comcast and (Microsoft AstroTurf at) Twitter: Pact of Lies
- De Facto Microsoft Press Already Rewrites the Story of Microsoft’s Destruction of Yahoo!, Other Stories
- Beyond the ‘Public Relations’
- The Gates Foundation Extends Control Over Communication with Oxfam Relationship
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Needs Sunlight said,
January 8, 2010 at 8:26 am
The speculation about Gates and Ballmer wanting the US to go up in flames would be supported or disproved if more details of the meeting between Gates and Hu were published. In a flagrant show of disrespect to the Office of the President, Hu’s first visit snubbed the Whitehouse until after a meeting with Gates.
But even without that, there are a lot of telltales that do back the ideal that Gates and Ballmer wanting the US to go up in flames:
- the voting machine scandals, made possible by three levels of MS prodcuts
- the onging malware catastrophes, made only possible by political and illegal pressure to keep functional systems out of the market.
- the ongoing disasters, such as air traffic control collapse, traceable to malfeasants putting MS products into mission-critical roles
etc.
Roy Schestowitz Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 8:32 am
I very much doubt that Gates is ‘colluding’ with China (makes little sense) despite his China connections at the Gates Foundation and Ballmer’s near-appointment as China ambassador (McCain’s idea), but clearly they are after their own interests, namely money and power.
In the news today (OT):
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20527426.900-get-ready-for-chinas-domination-of-science.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news
dyfet Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 10:37 am
In recard to the latter, I could comment on air traffic control and the FAA. First, in the 90′s, before the days of “homeland” security, the FAA was known from the perspective of federal contracting as a “dirty agency”, and in fact the worst. While I had known contracting officers from a number of different federal agencies at the time (the company I was engineering director for sold GNU/Linux servers to manage high-end Fujitsu switching equipment, along with said switches, among other things) who were stubborn and sometimes stupid, most seemed to actually have high ethical standards nontheless.
Until the FAA, we certainly never encountered any that were dishonest. The FAA was the first time I encountered someone who expected a bribe to get a contract. This was not unique, as another time one had a wife he had setup as a 8a qualified firm, and noted if we sub’d through his wife, to which he could then legally give preferential treatment to.
Strangely enough I learned many years later the FAA tac centers use RedHat, mostly for the system which also shows all the planes in the air that some TV newscasts use. That display is actually drawn on X. So apparently some parts of the FAA does honest work.
Roy Schestowitz Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 10:55 am
About a week ago I noticed 3 Web sites that protest against the FAA referencing Boycott Novell. We have some articles about Microsoft+FAA:
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/11/23/faa-and-nasa-msft-dependent-mingling/
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/02/11/federal-aviation-administration-cracked/
http://boycottnovell.com/2009/05/09/faa-cracked-again/
http://boycottnovell.com/2008/09/01/critical-faailure/
TheTruth said,
January 8, 2010 at 10:54 am
so which is it Roy, MS is either not paying tax and making a profit or as you claim it’s in financial trouble and borrowing money, it can only be one or the other.
Do you think that all the 90 thousand employees do not pay income tax ? or that there is not a GST or VAT type tax on every purchase.
And the extra tax paid by just having high money turnover.
As for charity, do you remember when the big thing in Linux was to register as a charity so you can avoid taxes. (want me to find the links for you).
Cononical:
“Canonical Ltd.[5] is a private company founded (and funded) by South African entrepreneur Mark Shuttleworth for the promotion of free software projects. Canonical is registered in the Isle of Man”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_Ltd.
Remember that Isle of Man is where cononical is based.
http://www.lowtax.net/lowtax/html/isleofman/jimtax.html
“In the Isle of Man there is no general capital gains tax, turnover tax or capital transfer tax, and there are no stamp duties. Apart from VAT, the only significant tax is income tax which is levied at a maximum rate of 18% on individuals, and until 2006 on corporations (companies). ”
Oh thats right im a Troll, so even if I provide FACTS and proof that you are biased and usually WRONG…
You’ll just accuse me of being a troll and you will ignore any proof that you are as usual wrong and biased, no wonder almost no one takes any notice of what you say Roy…
So Roy just because you say something it does not mean it even close to being true, in general when most people read what you say, they automatically assume the exact opposite is true.
They (and I) consider you as a 4th rate spin doctor, who thinks if you say something enough times it will become true.
People work that out quickly, as soon as they see the constant references to you’re sources that are generally you’re own articles.
so you are you’re own “source”, that you constantly refer back too, trouble is we dont believe you now, and we certainly dont believe you then. when you quote yourself as your own “source”.
You are the laughing stock of the FOSS world Roy, along with RMS and PJ constantly doing more damage than good.
With your lies.
Feel free to try to disprove my links and facts, that would be interesting to see.
But you wont, you’ll just attack me, and anyone else that does not belong to your cult.
your_friend Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 11:49 am
It’s both! Amazing but true, a company can avoid taxes and still not make enough money to support itself. As Roy has noticed, the state of Washington is looking a decade’s worth of skipped taxes. Instead of paying up, Microsoft is arrogantly demanding a bridge be built so that their employees can get to the new Microsoft Mall. I’m not sure payment in full of Microsoft’s tax evasion will save the state from running out of money, but I’m entirely sure that Microsoft should spend its own money building and maintaining a bridge between two pieces of Microsoft property.
There’s no need to attack you. What you say is damnation enough.
TheTruth said,
January 8, 2010 at 12:40 pm
so the FSF being a charity and begging for money, is OK for you.
But not for anyone else, so why is it ok for the FSF and cononical to rought the tax system, and it’s not ok for commercial companies to give money to charity as well.
MS is not a registered charity, FSF IS.
FSF asked for money to “promote Open source software” then uses that money to wage FUD campains against their perceived enemies.
goto badvista.com, 7 deadly sins, defective by design, and see where you FSF charity donations are going, as if attacking other companies is “promoting free software”.
This is where you charity money is going, with little or NO promotion of Free software. Just a knee jerk reaction to anything FSF hates. (which seems to be most things).
So Roy, why not go after the criminals that play the charity and tax system and take you’re donations and do not do with your donation what they claim to do in their charter.
This is criminal, oh, but thats right it’s the FSF and RMS can do no bad.
Again, I can provide all the links you need to confirm my statements.
(which seems to be something Roy, you are not often capable of doing, preferring to link to your own FUD instead).
@your-friend,,, so what about cononical roughting the tax system, is that ok too ??
Oh I provided facts and proof, something which you have no real argument against. As you well know im right..
(and it’s better to say nothing and have people think your a fool, than to say something and confirm it)..
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“Mission
The Free Software Foundation (FSF), founded in 1985, is dedicated to promoting computer users’ rights to use, study, copy, modify, and redistribute computer programs. The FSF promotes the development and use of free software, particularly the GNU operating system and its GNU/Linux variants – and free documentation for free software. The FSF also helps to spread awareness of the ethical and political issues of freedom in the use of software. Current projects include GPL Version 3; the GPL Compliance Lab; the Free Software Directory; and Savannah, software development services provided to free software developers around the world. Additionally, FSF is committed to furthering the development of the GNU Operating System, providing development systems for GNU software maintainers.”
where in their “mission” does it say they will spend all your charity conations on attacking Vista, MS, proprietary software, and anything else they dont agree with.
why is it ok for the FSF to claim to promote GNU/Linux, but then take your money and use it all to attack MS ??
This is misrepresentation of money, give for one specific reason, as detailed in the FSF mission, yet misappropriated to be used as a personal tool to attack others.
I see little or no effort from the FSF to promote GNU/Linux or its capabilities, features or too try to promote GNU/Linux in any way.
This is criminal, and I would think is far worse that trying to help third world countries, famine and poverty.
But to Roy the FSF and RMS can do no wrong, as it’s clear RMS is the spiritual leader of the BN sect.
http://www.defectivebydesign.org/
FSF sponsored web site, using your charity donations, NOT promoting open source.
http://badvista.fsf.org/
same deal
“is dedicated to promoting computer users’ rights to use, study, copy, modify, and redistribute computer programs. The FSF promotes the development and use of free software, particularly the GNU operating system and its GNU/Linux variants – and free documentation for free software. ”
where in the FSF mission statement did they say they would use all your donations to attack Microsoft ??
It does not,, so the FSF lie to you, and misappropriate you’re donations for their own gains, they are NOT using it as they stated in their mission statement.
Mabey the FSF needs to be investigated by the charities commision and de-listed or corruption and unethical behaviour..
http://en.windows7sins.org/
this is where you FSF donations are going, as well as flying reps around the world on junkets.
http://en.windows7sins.org/
there is nothing on this FSF funded web site that even comes close to meeting the FSF’s charity mission statement, so is the FSF into providing false statements to governments to play the system ??
it’s clear that is the case, and this is not just something im making up, you are welcome to go to the web sites and see for yourself.
You can argue all you like against me, but you cant argue against the FSF and THEIR own statements and web sites.
The FSF is sponsoring web sites to attack Microsoft, (oh wait, Roy is saying the MS is sponsoring web sites to attack linux).
How about some links Roy to confirm you’re “facts” ive shown you the FSF’s web sites, The FSF’s mission statement, it’s all there.
So where are you’re examples of MS doing this same thing,
As far as I know MS is __NOT__ a registered charity, and they dont have a charity mission statement that they totally disregard.
As does the FSF.
Then tell me how cononical is not roughting the UK tax system by basing the head office in the Is of Man ?
So Roy, where is your credibility now ?? down the toilet ??
TheTruth said,
January 8, 2010 at 12:51 pm
mabey someone should lodge a complaint with the IRS and the charity commision regarding the FSF’s misappropriation of funds and breaches of their mission statement.
Then the FSF can be a “convicted criminal” as well.
Or a class action from all the donators to the FSF, to recoup the funds the FSF are illegally using. !!!..
Either FSF revise their “mission statement” or have their charity status revoked. And stop them lieing about their real motives and goals.
There is more than enough evidence to confirm the FSF is in breach of their mission statement and misappropriating funds.
TheTruth said,
January 8, 2010 at 7:58 pm
”
Mission
The Free Software Foundation (FSF), founded in 1985, is dedicated to promoting computer users’ rights to use, study, copy, modify, and redistribute computer programs. The FSF promotes the development and use of free software, particularly the GNU operating system and its GNU/Linux variants – and free documentation for free software. The FSF also helps to spread awareness of the ethical and political issues of freedom in the use of software. Current projects include GPL Version 3; the GPL Compliance Lab; the Free Software Directory; and Savannah, software development services provided to free software developers around the world. Additionally, FSF is committed to furthering the development of the GNU Operating System, providing development systems for GNU software maintainers.
your_friend Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
I’m not sure I see a violation of mission or any conflict with non profit, even charity tax status. What are you talking about?
Roy Schestowitz Reply:
January 8th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Nothing of substance from this “Mutex” nym.
TheTruth said,
January 9, 2010 at 3:09 am
can you read, and did you read the mission ??
if you did, you would not be asking that question.
And nice to see you chime in Roy, and thinks for your accurate, honest, detailed response.
Oh as usual, when you’re claims are questions, and it’s shown you are biased and a would be cult leader.
But when confronted with FACTS and proof, all you can do is revert to ad hominem attackes.
I suppose it either personal attacks, or ad nauseam.
“”This is not a hate site. This is neither a crusade nor any type of propaganda front. We have our mind set on a single goal: finding out the truth.”
Really are you REALLY interested in finding out the truth ROY??
It seems to me, and most of the planet that truth is not what you seek, it’s dirt for you’re propaganda.
wiki:
PROPAGANDA
your_friend Reply:
January 12th, 2010 at 1:22 am
Oh, I see, you don’t understand how the Bad Vista and Windows Seven Sins campaigns are promoting free software use. That’s easy to clear up.
The idea behind most Windows criticism is show how non free software owners abuse users as a way of explaining the benefits of free software. All non free software has its problems but Microsoft’s are numerous and glaring enough to create whole websites. The problems that the FSF points at are problems non free software will never have.
These websites are only a small part of what the Free Software Foundation does, but it’s important documentation. Sadly, their reach is tiny next to the massive hype machine of newspapers, trade rags and TV broadcast that Microsoft has purchased. Lawyers work to defend copyleft software and activists organize and other important work goes on all the time. There are lots of good things people’s donations to the Free Software Foundation buys.
TheTruth said,
January 9, 2010 at 3:40 am
PROPAGANDA: is a form of communication aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position.
(thats what you do ROY).
“As opposed to IMPARTIALLY providing information, propaganda in it’s most basic sense, presents information primarily to influence an audience.
PROPAGANDA: often presents facts selectively (thus possibly LYING BY OMISSION) to encourage a particular synthesis, or uses loaded messages to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented.
The desired result is a change of the attitude towards the subject in the target audience to further a POLITICAL agenda.
“PROPAGANDA is neutrally defined as a systematic form of purposeful persuasion that attempts to influence the emotions, attitudes, opinions, and actions of specified targets audiences for idealogical, political or commercial purposes through the controlled transmission of ONE-SIDED messages (which may or MAY NOT be FACTUAL) via mass and direct media channels”
Yes, thats what you do ROY, You are NOT looking for truth, you are following the classic Propaganda techniquse.
PROPAGANDA: TECHNIQUES:
Ad hominem – Yep you got that one down.
Ad nauseam – Again check
Appeal to fear
AZppeal to prejudice
Bandwagon
BIG LIE
Blacks and white fallacy
Demonizing the ENEMY (you read that one close didnt you ROY)
DISINFORMATION
Half_TRUTH
Intentional vagueness
Labelling
Name-calling (how’s you’re MAFIAA going ROY ?)
Obtain disapproval or Reducto ad Hitlerum
Oversimplification
Quotes out of context
Rationalization
Reg Herring
Repetitiohn, Repitition, repetition
SCAPEGOATING
Sterotyping (Gates of borg?)
Testomonial
Transfer
FUD
PROPAGANDA compaigns often follow a strategic transmission pattern to indoctrinate the target group.
A number of techniques based in SOCIAL PSYCHOLOGICAL research are used to generate propaganda. Many of these same techniques can be found under LOGICAL FALLACIES, since propagandists use arguments that, whilesometimes convincing , are not necessarily valid.
Appeal to authority
Appeals to authority cite prominent figures to support a position, idea, argument, or course of action. (Roy loves RMS)
Ad Hominem, you know what that means ROY, it’s attacking your opponent, as opposed to attacking their arguments. (usually because you’re incapable of attacking the argument.
Ad nauseam
Tireless repetition of an idea. (this approach works best when media sources are limited and controlled by the propagator. (like ROY and BN)
(you’re just too easy to take apart ROY, it’s hardly a challenge at all!!)
Appeal to fear:
Appeals to fear seek to build support by instilling anxieties and panic (FUD).
You do that all the TIME ROY.
Bandwagon Bandwagon and “inevitable-victory” appeals.
DEMONIZING THE ENEMY:
Making individuals from the opposing faction, or those who support the opposing viewpoint appear to be subhuman.
(yep you do that do)
So how is it you can say you are not a propagandist
OBTAIN DISAPPROVAL or REDUCTIO AD hITLERUM:
This techniques (as ROY well knows) is used to persuade a target audience to disapprove of an action or idea by suggesting that the idea is popular with gropus hated, freared, or held in contempt by the target audience.
Thus if a group that supports a certain policy is led to believe that underirable, subversive, or contemptible people support the same policy,
OVERSIMPLIFICATION Favorable generalities are used to provide simple answers to complex social, political, econimic \, or military problems.
ROY ALL YOU DO IS PROPAGANDA:
I dont know why im bothing to explain this to you, as ROY you KNOW exactly what you are doing, and why.
We all know what you are doing ROY, and you just saying it’s not a hate site or a propaganda front does not wash with your statements and actions.
It appears you use the Wiki on propaganda as you’re BN “User manual”.
That and the guild to extremist groups…
So again, ROY you have not let me down, you again, as usual have failed to address the issues, prefering to resort to low level Ad hominem attacks.
(as if propaganda is the only tool in your toolbox).
ROY, you are a very one dimentional person, based on my reading of your comments and propaganda.
But you do provide quite some amusement for anyone with any knowledge of the subjects you claim to represent.
When are you going to give up, after 3+ years it seems BN is not moving forward, but appears to be going backwards.
But you dont care about Free software, you care about you’re own ego and feeding you’re cult members.
TheTruth said,
January 9, 2010 at 4:50 am
My point of the reference to propaganda, is that you make claims (ROY) about MS dodging taxes, because they have offices in different locations, (and even different countries).
But when I say (and prove) that the FSF also seeks to dodge taxes, and does so by providing false claims as their mission statement, and at the same time misappropriating the donated funds to wage their own propaganda campain.
Cononical does the same thing, but you lie by ommision as go after MS when you well know cononical does the same thing basing their head office on the Isle of Man, which is a known tax haven.
But ofcourse, ROY you are not interesting in “only the truth” you are only interested in digging dirt, and waging a smear campaign against your percieved enemy, at the same time, you obviously are not interested in the truth, as if you did you would also report on Cononical and FSF using charaties and tax havens to increase their profit and to avoide taxes.
So why ROY, is it ok for you to go after MS and NOT any other group, is it because you want to provide and diseminate propaganda to acheive you’re own goals, and to create Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt (deception) against MS.
Why is it, you and FSF always talk about improving GNU/Linux, but then all you do is attack you’re perceived enemies.
This is weak, and it clearly shows you’re credibility and intent.
No wonder no one believes you anymore ROY..
But you allready know that, you gave up your credability a very long time ago.
ROY BTW: you posted on your IRC that you are a Software Engineer ?
How is that ROY, what degree do you have in engineer, or in computer science. And are you employed as an engineer ??
IF not, you are NOT a software engineer, and judging by your inability to run you’re own web site, (seeing all the help you need), If you are as you claim a software engineer, you must not be a very good one.
(this does not require a response, ROY ive allready formed my opinion about your integrity, and you’re claim you’re a software engineer I find highly ammusing..
Anyway, you’re credibility is shot ROY, you’re bias is clear for all to see.
And you’re techniques of propaganda and the formation of you’re extremist/hate group is a classic study of the formation of Cults, or sects, or extremists.
Im sure I could find a couple hunderd or so links to support my statements, and I could use ONLY your statements and words to do it.
As I said ROY, you are too easy to take apart, and all you can do in return is call me names.. LOL.. You really are the laughing stock of web.
TheTruth said,
January 9, 2010 at 5:00 am
You’re blog web site, says it’s not a blog, thats a lie ROY and you know it.. do you know what a blog is, or are you into redifining words in true RMS style.
For you info: (as you allready ‘should’ know” this is what a BLOG IS.
“A blog (a contraction of the term “web log”)[1] is a type of website, usually maintained by an individual with regular entries of commentary, descriptions of events, or other material such as graphics or video. Entries are commonly displayed in reverse-chronological order. “Blog” can also be used as a verb, meaning to maintain or add content to a blog.”
So what part of the definition of a blog does not apply to you and this web site ROY ???
Please explain, (if you can).. and tell us why you constantly lie to us?
-usually maintained by an individual with regular entries
-commentary,
-descriptions of events,
-or other material such as graphics or video.
-displayed in reverse chronological order.
So what you’re saying ROY, is that you do not do any of the above so therefore BN is not a blog !!.. (WHAT IS IT).. oh thats right it’s a propaganda / hate site.
And a seed site for extremeists… (again, you’re just too easy ROY).